Small Town Murder - #586 - Never Trust Your Cousin - Clanton, Alabama

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

This week, in Clanton, Alabama, when a woman is found, brutally murdered, in her trailer, the main suspect is someone who was stalking her, but he has a solid alibi. This brings detectives to a more disturbing conclusion. The woman's cousin was seeing a man with an extremely troubled past. When we find out just how troubled, it's no surprise that he could do something like this, but who was helping him definitely is!! Along the way, we find out that peaches aren't just in Georgia, that there are consequences when you have a truly terrible childhood, and that sometimes, you just have to beg for the death penalty for yourself!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? Arms to time everybody, let's do this. Let's all clear the lungs, what do you say here? Arms to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down south today to Clanton, Alabama. Clanton, C-L-A, Clanton. There you go, a ton of Clanton, Alabama. Okay. Clanton, C-L-A, clan, ton.

There you go, a ton of clan. Like Ike. Yeah, like Ike probably. Wait, with a K? No, no, no, it's with a C. With a C, like a, not that kind of clan. This is in central Alabama. It's about 40 minutes to Montgomery,

which is the capital of Alabama, if you didn't know that. About an hour to Birmingham, and about 25 minutes to Calera, Alabama, which was our last Alabama episode death love and only fans That was the we did the virtual live show about that. That was a wild episode. So this is in Chilton County population here is 8715 in this town. So pretty small little area, but you know the suburbs of the of you know of Montgomery The median income here median household income is well under the national average. It's $48,051 which is over

$20,000 less than the national average and then the median home price is also pretty low here 197,600 dollars not bad the motto here again this is here and 700 other towns a good place to visit what do you play yeah a better place to live yeah area go little bit of history so the area that would be clanton later was first known as goose pond sure probably pretty self-explanatory what that one was. Yeah, it's goose shit. And also Ranch. It was a town called Ranch right next, just Ranch there.

That was in Baker County, which was what Chilton County used to be, and that was in 1868 this was founded. So just after the Civil War there, Reconstruction era here. Soon after the town of Clanton took its name from the South and North Alabama railroad station at that time, so that's just what they did.

And during World War II, there was a small German prisoner of war camp located in Clanton as well. Today, it's all about peaches, baby. It's all peaches down here. Number one industry in the county. That's where all the local money comes from. And the city of Clanton constructed a water tower in the shape of a peach in 1993. So what the hell? It became a landmark that people got the peach water tower reviews of this town here for you because we've never been here. We don't know what

the hell's going on. Here's five stars. I love the small town feel of Clanton. Everyone knows everyone and everyone you meet is a lifelong friend. All the time. Whether you like it or not. They're here lifelong friend. You're stuck with them. Wow. Here's four stars. This sounds like someone's like the beginning of a novel. This person's writing in the heart of a vast forest nestled between winding rivers and rolling hills lay Clanton Then it's gonna tell you about a horrible murder that took place there This city with its cobblestone streets and weathered brick buildings Exuded a timeless charm founded over two centuries ago by settlers seeking peace Clanton became a haven for those who cherished a simpler way of life.

Each summer, Clanton's annual Peach Festival transformed the town square into a vibrant celebration. This sounds like the town's no longer there. Like the volcano took it, like it's Vesuvius or something. This is, what the hell's going on here? Every time I hear this about a southern town, I'm like, yeah, but you know. Yeah, but, you know, there's a yeah.

Exactly. The air was filled with the sweet scent of ripe peaches and the joy of the community coming together. Despite its imperfections, Clanton's magic lay in its strong sense of community and tradition, making everyone feel like they're part of a cherished story. Jesus, calm down. All right. Just calm.

It's still. It's a small town. It's just a small town in Alabama. They're like, it's majestic. It says, calm down. Let's all calm down. Here's three stars. I have lived in Clanton my whole life and it kind of sucks. That's three stars. Kind of sucks.

Yeah. There is nothing to do for teenagers. If you want to do something fun, like watch a movie or go bowling, you have to go to Prattville. Wow. Well, that ruins the whole thing then. Yeah. It's only like 30 minutes away from Clanton, but it would be so much better if there was just a few things like an arcade or a movie theater in Clanton. This guy doesn't even want, he just wants like an eighties childhood existence. Give me an arcade and a movie theater. I'll go bowling and I'm

very happy. Double dragon. Jesus Christ. This guy's just like put me up on a Qbert machine and let me, let me go. Pining for that Street Fighter arcade. God damn, all there is restaurants, I guess all there is is restaurants, and some of them have the worst food

you can put your hands on, not to call anybody out, but San Marcos is the worst, followed very closely by, I don't know if you ever heard of this place before, a little local joint, Wendy's. Yeah. But, now I'm not gonna say that. Not to call anybody out, but here we go. But here we go.

Making a list. Now, I'm not saying that all the eating joints are bad, or restaurants as we call them in the rest of the planet, eating joints. Neighborhood Grill and Bertolone's are very good. The residents aren't bad by no means. You'll just, you've just got to look for good ones. The roads are bad, like I have a Mustang

and you'll beat your car to death if you drive like a normal person. So you have to ride in the middle of the road on almost all the roads, except for 31 and 22. But that's Chilton County. Okay, wow. Things to do here, the Peach Jam. Oh, I see it.

Yes, a little clever there. Peach Jam is in June. It's a free outdoor festival featuring live music from country's greatest artists. I bet they're not. You know they are. You can come early and bring your blankets and chairs and line it up here the entertainment on Friday June 7th, it's gospel night And it says this important event is sponsored by am first credit union blah blah blah blah blah

So we got gospel night, but they don't say oh the evening kicks off at 6 p.m. With local talent Matt little John you know country's top artist and Matt Littlejohn, you know, country's top artist. And, uh. That's not the gospel guy? No, and an inspirational word from Thorsby, first Baptist associate pastor. Wow. Inspirational word?

That's what I want when I'm trying to drink and listen to music. Trying to have a good time. You're alone. Hey pastor, it's Friday night at eight o'clock. You're, uh, you don't exist right now. You know what I mean? Trying to get a blow job. Shut your fucking mouth. You gotta go. don't exist right now. You know what I mean?

You gotta go. Trying to get the wife to get a little frisky later. You know what I mean? Our headliner is Grammy nominated artist Rhett Walker. Yeah. I don't know who that is. He's fine. Okay. Saturday June 8th is the multi-platinum recording artist Chris Jansen will take the main stage. Jesus. Don't know who that is. And then also set to play is Selma Alabama bred singer songwriter Charlie Argo. Don't know. They made the movie after him I guess. I don't know.

No I don't know who that is. So that's. I think that was the kidnapping that Ben Affleck like. It's the Ben Affleck movie. Yeah he was like you know that guy's got something. Isn't that Argo? Is that kidnapping or something? Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, he was like, you know, that guy's got something Yeah overseas and all that shit

That said let's talk about some murder here. Let's do it. I have to warn you the murder part is extremely disturbing here this Yeah, this there's a pretty good description of it from the murderer that and it's it's It's disturbing dude. It's a very disturbing disturbing tale so we'll get into this here first up let's talk about a guy James Lee Osgood Jimmy Jimmy Lee half the guys in Central Alabama named Jimmy Lee something so old old Jimmy here he's born August 28th, 1969, and he goes by Jimmy, that's what everybody calls him. And him and his siblings, he had a terrible life,

mind you, this guy, absolutely awful. Worst here, but worse than most people. His biological parents, his biological mother was a drug addict and a prostitute, and the father was an abusive lunatic drug addict so they were his him and his siblings were just abandoned by their biological parents when he was a baby. Oh they're just like abandoned.

He as an infant and his older sister was like a year older both had severe malnutrition and rickets from Rickickets, rickets. Fucking, it's like a Bill Hicks joke. Yeah, that's rickets. Yeah. With scurvy too did they have? Any other preventable things you could, fuck, that's horrible.

But that's how. Any other sailor diseases? Right? Well, that's how little they were paid attention to as babies. So then in addition to that, you know, they have the whole attachment disorder problem too, where they're not gonna, they're gonna be cold as ice too.

They have no, that's how psychopaths are made. Don't touch an infant. And you're gonna get, you can get something real bad out of that. So his sister's name is Anne Marie, and she said she's about a year older than Jimmy, and she said, you know, they were adopted. So that's how, you know, they were adopted though.

That's how, you know, that's where the, yeah, they ended up being adopted at a young age. Their adopted parents, Richard and Peggy Osgood, Dick and Peggy, boy, that is some old school shit. They were extremely abusive. Really? Yes. Oh, that's, that's crazy to me to adopt children and abuse them is insane. That's nuts That's fucking crap. I get you had a kid and you didn't want to have a kid, but you had a kid

I still don't think you should beat them obviously or you know, but use them in any way But at least the psychology makes sense there You might blame them for ruining your life or whatever the fuck weird, you know mental issue Yeah, but there's also But there's also the like, I can't believe you can abuse your own children. And then I guess it's more believable that an adopted parent would do it because they have no attachment to them.

But they wanted. They went out and filled out paperwork for this. They don't just come knock at your door, go, you want a kid? And you go, I guess. And then they drop it off and you beat it. You had to go. They bought a W-2 for this.

Yes, you had to go like this, there's a lot of paperwork, you had to go for appointments and talk to people, all that to beat the shit out of them, why not just leave them alone? Crazy, Anne Marie testifies later on in a hearing that Peggy was an alcoholic who would frequently take both children, she and Jimmy, to bars and leave them with strangers.

So she can get hammered? Well, she quote, went off with guys. Oh, so she's a prostitute too? Her mom was doing a little bit of prostituting on the side. Yes, so, and they'd leave the kids, we're talking like a three-year-old and a four-year-old. She'd just leave them at the bar. So that's not great.

Who let her have kids? You know? I mean, who gave these people kids? I don't know if they were, I don't know if this was. Who checked the checklist to let them do this? Like we don't know if this is family friends and it was like a private thing or if this is like a public, like an adoption agency said,

oh, these people are a great candidate to raise children. I don't know. So she said, Ann Marie said that when she was very young, pre kindergarten, so three, four years old, that Jimmy watched, saw this as he was three, her, a four year old being forced to perform oral sex on a man in a bar. In a bar. No one else in that bar thought that was a fucking problem no one else in the bar said I'm gonna go stab that guy in the throat right now no one said that I'm gonna take the beer opener and fucking

put it in his eyeball nobody that was nobody's thought out of this beer bottle on his head I mean no one thought of that I don't understand it wow on multiple occasions she was she and he and especially he apparently was both physically and sexually abused starting when he was five or six years old Wow, I guess he was left alone in in bars as a child too and also he like his sister He was also forced to perform oral sex on a strange man in a bar What bar? That's what I mean. What bar is this?

What bar is this? Crazy bar. Burn that thing to the ground. No bouncer here, obviously, because I know that's against the rules. Molesting children on the floor. Oh shit. It's just a fucking empty room and a couple of booze bottles you go in. So after that Ann Marie said that

she and Jimmy were put into foster care until their adopted father ultimately regained custody because I guess Dick wasn't involved as much as Peggy in the fuckery here. And the abuse. And the abuse. So according to Ann Marie though, their father was a stern disciplinarian. So the complete opposite problem. Yeah, complete opposite problem. Complete opposite problem. And to the point where when Jimmy would wet the bed, because he's got psychological problems at this point, he would not give him water for like half the day.

So he wouldn't wet the bed. So he'd go to bed. So he doesn't have piss to put in the bed. No piss, yeah. He'd go to bed dehydrated, and that's how they did it. Osgood's parents were investigated by state social workers after allegations that they excessively punished Jimmy and his siblings,

but mainly Jimmy. The reports also indicated that Jimmy had behavioral problems at school, which that could be said about either of us too. The report said that Jimmy had both, that would be us, either one. I think that's across the board for Jimmy. I was gonna say, I know that,

I know I've gotten that report home before. Jimmy has had behavioral problems at school. Additional documentation revealed that Osgood was admitted to an adolescent psychiatric unit, where he was diagnosed with having a conduct disorder, being under socialized and having a developmental reading disorder. That's a conduct. I, I, some, I think it's a catch all for,

I think it's a catch all phrase for can't control his behavior. Yeah, that kind of thing. And Dick, his adopted dad said that also he was in and out that Jimmy was in and out of foster care throughout his childhood and Ultimately ended up in the custody of who? Peggy his adopted mother Jesus with whom he had a tumultuous and often violent relationship as if I was him I would beat the shit out of her every day till she fucking got rid of me. Yeah. Hi mom pow

Thanks for letting me fucking making me blow people in a bar when I was fucking for I like to kick you in the twat Every fucking day every day you bitch you fucking asshole and where's dick to where's him? I want to kick him in the balls, too How much do they pay you to have me cuz I'm gonna cost you that yeah Exactly more damaging fucking items around the house yeah so that's horrible absolutely awful then he was placed in group facilities during his teenage years when he was 14 Jimmy had a sexual like not a one-time thing an ongoing sexual relationship with a 24 year old when he was 14 24 year

old woman obviously that 24 year old's got some major problems Jimmy's got crazy game yeah one or the two Jimmy's dick is hanging out of the bottom of his jeans is the only other explanation for this but he ended up getting her pregnant also what oh yeah he knocked imagine being a 24 year old woman getting knocked up by a 14 year old imagine that Just imagine that what the what you really got to take stock at that point of your life I think it Alabama is a wild place shit is wild man The sad part is I agree with that, but also we hear about this type of shit in every fucking state That's the sad part, but yeah

So as he grows up he becomes a male stripper, Jimmy. He's a great looking guy. Want to see him? It's funny that you said that. There he is. What? What is he doing? Is that a Hitler mustache?

No, no, no. That's a full on 80s, 90s mustache. That's just all he can grow. That's a mustache. It's just wispy. He's got a little one lip. What is he doing? Is that a Hitler mustache? No, no, no, that's a full on 80s, 90s mustache. That's just all he can grow. That's a mustache, it's just wispy.

He's got a little one lip still on the sides. That's weird. It's wispy. But he's got like long like permed, dirty brown, dirty blonde, like lion's mane hair. This is like a picture that like they would show you of like a Chippendales dancer where he's like looking back over his shoulder at you with a glare. that's you can tell it's a stripper pick Hideous man, he's got a you'd see a bare shoulder there. That's not good

So He also struggles with addiction problems of many variants whatever is in front of him pretty much of many variants, whatever is in front of him pretty much. Now his sister Anne Marie stated that Jimmy is also very loyal and he's a loving uncle to her children. Nice guy, doesn't hurt them or do anything. And she also said she never knew him to be violent ever. I guess except around mom. So apparently too, he abuses a wide range of substances here.

He really doesn't have a thing. You know, whatever you got. It all feels nice. Yeah, he loves booze, he loves meth, he loves fucking coke, he loves opiates, whatever he can get his hands on. Yeah. He's into it, yeah. Very sexually though, very compulsive guy, sexually.

As you may imagine with what happened to him in his upbringing, that would be a thing. Substances that's in his body. Oh, that's not helping either. Yeah, that'll take your inhibitions away and then what do you got? Right away. Yeah, so according also to a doctor,

he attempted suicide in 1997. He was about 28. He attempted suicide, which I mean, if you're this guy and have this mess of a life, that might seem, yeah. Now, Jimmy claims to have 10 kids or more, at least 10 that he knows of, but he only knows where one of them is.

He only knows the whereabouts of one of them, which means A, he doesn't care, and B, those mothers don't want him to have anything to do with those fucking kids. So because he would know where they were if they tracked him down for child support even he would at least know. Yeah I know where they are because I send a check. That's interesting. Yeah. So at least I'm told to you know what I mean. Yeah. So that's wild. In 2010 now so you so he's 40 years old, 41 years old here. He ends up getting a girlfriend, a serious girlfriend,

and I wish I knew more of her background because it has to be more fucked up than his. Her name is Tanya Renee Van Dyke, okay? Tanya Van Dyke, she's born in 71, so age appropriate anyway, which for him is a coup, an age appropriate girlfriend. That's incredible, his girlfriend is in 17, honestly. So, he's got, that's his girlfriend, and now she, like her best friend and first cousin,

they hang out with all the time. Her name is Tracy Lynn Brown. So we got Tanya van Dyck, the girlfriend Tracy Brown, Tanya's first cousin, okay? And Jimmy. And Jimmy, of course, obviously. And so Tracy and Tanya work together at a Clanton healthcare company too.

So yeah, they do healthcare shit. So they're close. I mean, they work together, they're first cousins. Yeah, they're pretty close. At this point, I guess Tracy, the cousin, was starting kind of a new chapter in her life. She wanted to get involved in the healthcare industry and she wanted to help people and also she was being independent, starting to finally be independent in her life and she was, you know, people, she was proud of herself

basically. So one of her friends said Tracy liked to help others. She just, she had just started a new phase of her life. Growing up Tracy was super fun and everybody wanted to be her friend. So that's the crew here. Now October 12th, 2010, Jimmy, Tanya, the couple, and Tracy, the cousin here, they all go to where the women work to pick up paychecks

Okay, so Tracy picks up her paycheck, and then they ran various errands all day. They cashed the check they paid Tracy's electrical bill They drove to another town to look at a vehicle that she was considering purchasing So she's getting her shit all together here. She's doing well. So that's kind of what happened on October 12th. Just a lot of Aaron's busy day for Tracy and the gang here. Yeah. So October 13th, 2012. Um, now Tracy lives in a trailer off County road 24, which sounds awful. That couldn't, nothing could sound worse than a trailer off County Road 24.

Not even on it, off it. So she lived- Your address is just County Road 24. No number. No number. That's crazy. So she lived at the Martin Trailer Court off County Road 24, and the trailer court

is just north of the wow A toga and Chilton County lines, so it's kind of on the border there So on this day She does not come into work Tracy. No doesn't show up for work the next day after all her errands and everything Maybe she's got enough money for that car and she's moving on but done. Yeah, either way tired apparently, she's very reliable because her boss contacted her landlord to say can you check on her

because she didn't show up for work today. This isn't three days of not showing up for work. This is the first day. Imagine your boss has your landlord's phone number. That's what I mean. She's four hours late. And wow, I mean who knows, the boss might live in the trailer park though, for all we fuck.

Yeah. The boss might know, right. They might be best friends. We don't know. Yeah. So they send a cop over there. Shilt, uh, Chilton County Sheriff's department, uh, deputy comes over here. He and his partner arrive. Um, apparently they get into the house. Now, I don't know if the door is open or how they get into the house, but it's usually for a well check like this. into the house. Now I don't know if the door is open or how they get into the house, but it's usually for a well check like this if there's no like signs of foul play or anything like that. Not allowed to go in. They're not going to bust the fucking door down for that unless they've heard screaming or something

in there. You know, could see blood on the walls. Yeah, I can see blood on the walls or some shit. So they end up in the house though and they're calling for Tracy and no answer no answer so the officer then said that he went into Tracy Brown's bedroom and saw her lying on the floor next to her bed and Obviously there's been a problem in here. There's blood Everywhere like like somebody took blood and put it in a fucking sprinkler and just shot it around the room Like hooked it up to a hose. It's crazy. And she is naked and has stab wounds all over her, all over her back and an absolutely horrific neck.

Like her throat's been cut many, many times. It's horrifying. And also a handgun is found at the scene as well, but she's not shot. She's just stabbed a lot. So that's interesting. So they didn't right away, is that her gun? She didn't get a chance to use? Is that somebody's what happened? So this guy immediately left the room and called for more.

I'm just a deputy here. I have no crime scene. Let's go. So a Lieutenant shows up. He's a detective with the county sheriff's department and he's the lead investigator. This is Lieutenant Shane Lockhart. And he was looking at the wounds,

and it's horrifying, the wounds. And we'll find out how they were all made here in a bit. And so right away, there is a man in the trailer park who people have been saying have been harassing Tracy for weeks now. Really? Yeah, when they talk to her friends, people at work, stuff like that, they all say, she was talking about some guy in the trailer park

that was breaking her balls and blah, blah, blah. So right away they go to this guy, and this guy, his last name is Richardson, but this guy has a lock, solid alibi. Like was around 50 people at work when this is going on. And based on DNA evidence, he's completely excluded from this. You know those creepy stories that give you goosebumps? The ones that make you really question what's real?

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Spotify, or Apple podcasts. If you have a stalker, a person like this in their trailer and a neighbor who's a stalker, you think you solved the case. And then you're like, oh shit, this is square one now. Fuck. Unfortunately, this guy's clean. So they learn what she's been up to. They put together, you know, kind of a last few days of her life and what she was up to. And so they found out that she was hanging out with her cousin,

Tanya and Jimmy the day before. So they're like, well, maybe they saw somebody, you know, maybe maybe she told them. So they bring him in, they bring in Jimmy. This is early the next morning. He voluntarily agrees to come in here, no problem. And they said, yes, we were with her the previous day. Absolutely, did a bunch of errands and they read him as Miranda writes. He said he understands.

And he says that, yeah, no, we went to get her check. We went to pay her electric bill. We went to another town for a car, blah, blah, blah. So they said, okay, and they knew that that was true because Tracy had told other people what she was doing, so they had already corroborated that, so they were trying to see if he's gonna be truthful, and he is.

Sure, yeah. So he's truthful. Then they said, let me ask you a question here. You ever had sex with Tracy Brown? Oh, he said, no, of course not. No, that's my, that's my girlfriend's cousin. Wouldn't want to do that. Boy, that'll get me in trouble. But they prod a little further and they ask him a little bit more. And finally he said, okay, fine. We had a threesome. Yikes. Me, her first cousin and her all out of threesome together. Well, I mean, I get it. That's something. Yeah, this is like, I mean, we could obviously make an

Alabama joke here, but like I said, it goes on everywhere. This is a gal cousins rare. Gal cousin fucking, but okay. So they said, well, how did this come about? What happened here? And he's Jimmy says, well, Tracy, the cousin performed oral sex on me. And then Jimmy tells him that, that then Tracy got on her hands and knees on the bed and performed oral sex on her cousin while he stayed in the back and had both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy. He was just switching holes

while she was going down on her cousin. Yeah, I mean, we can all picture it, I think. I mean, I've seen it, I've seen that in porno a hundred times. Yeah, it happens all the time. They rarely go, they rarely go. Thanksgiving.

Eat your cousin out, would you? That's a rare one. So anyway, they ask about the gun, and he said, yeah, we brought the gun over, so that's our gun at the house there, because he said that I brought it over to give to Tracy for protection because she had told us that a man in her trailer park

was harassing her and stalking her, so I gave her this gun. I'm like, all right, well that makes sense. She didn't get a chance to use it, obviously. So further into the interview, the detective here notices a small cut on the finger of his right hand. Oh?

On Jimmy's right hand. And he said this is a wound that he sees a lot because it's the type of wound that you get when you're stabbing someone and there's blood everywhere and it's life slips down. So he goes, it's one of those on the inside. So he's like, hmm, said he'd seen similar wounds and suspects in previous investigations where people had been stabbed. So they told him here, the investigator tells Jimmy,

you have two options, Jimmy. Quote, one, you can say, hey, me and her got in a fight, whatever, something happened, I didn't want it to happen, I need all the help I can get, and you can beg for forgiveness. Two, you can go out and lie full force, and they're not gonna give you any leniency. He knows that officer really accuse it. Yeah, and this is a very much detective 101

If you tell us it'll be much better for you when yeah, there's no there's nothing better They have unless they've talked to a district attorney. They have no way to give you any kind of leniency Nobody goes that nobody says. Oh, well, they admitted it and said they were sorry, so I guess we'll go with second degree. That doesn't happen. None of that happens, so. And after the trial, the judge doesn't go, well, you did tell them that you'd help them out, so.

Yes. That's called, there's a guy on YouTube, this lawyer guy that does, he watches videos and reacts, and it's all about, he's got a hat on his desk and his whole thing is stop self snitching He goes that's self snitching right there. Just ask for a lawyer. Jesus. What are you doing? Yeah, so anyway This guy then tells Jimmy that the other investigator here the guy in charge He says listen, he won't sit here all day and talk to you

He'll just do what he's got to do and then you won't have no more options to, you know, he can only help yours. So that's, that goes on then. They said look if you want to tell the truth and show sympathy and you know all that kind of thing it's possible that you might not go to prison for near as long and you could avoid the death penalty if you just admit it and say you're sorry. He said I didn't kill her. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, this is crazy. So they keep him in custody though, they go ahead and arrest him because of the cut on the hand. Now October 18th they talk to him again and this is about a 45 minute conversation, he

talks about all the events surrounding everything the day before, they just start from scratch again basically. Then out of nowhere, Jimmy admits that he had previously lied to the cops about whether he had sex with Brown, but he still denied killing her. He goes, yes, I did lie before, but now I'm not lying and I'm telling you what happened. It was a threesome. So this interview began just kind of real, you know, hey, Jimmy, how you doing today type of deal.

But I guess Jimmy's demeanor started to change and then he stated he was getting pissed off that the officers didn't believe him, which is the appropriate reaction of an innocent person. Yeah, that's it. I mean, yeah, if I'm an innocent off, yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. If I'm an innocent person and you've drugged me in here for hours and you keep accusing me, even though I'm telling you the truth, I'm going to tell you tell you to go fuck yourself honestly arrest me or let me go cuz fuck you if you

don't believe me I don't blame him to me that's what an innocent person would do a guilty person would sit there and hope that you let him out at some point an innocent person would be like I'm gonna kick your fucking ass if you take that gun off get me out of here stop accusing me a murder you don't even have to do that, you just go, am I under arrest, nope, goodbye, I leave. No, but it's like, I get being pissed though because you're being, when someone's calling you a murder, you should be mad at that if you're not a murderer. Yeah, you should be a little upset probably.

So the cop said he pushed, he stood up, pushed the chair under the table and said, look, you're talking about getting pissed and that's fine and then he said Jimmy he said listen Jimmy tell the truth and show some more sympathy that's what you need to do and then this happened Jimmy said quote you can't show something for you can't show sympathy for something you didn't do Jeff the girl was alive when we left I don't know what more I can do or say to get anyone to understand or comprehend that the girl was alive and well. Cop says you'd be willing to take a polygraph test and Jimmy says yeah but what good is that it's not admissible in court. So Jimmy's

no dummy. He's no dummy despite what I show when I show you his head earlier that something clearly has happened to his brain you're gonna go what the fuck. Remember the guy from Oklahoma with the pumpkin head? Yeah. This guy's head makes that guy's head look extremely normal. But it. Trust me, just trust me. The stripper head didn't look so bad. No, no, no, but that's because his hair

was on top of his head. Wait until you see him with a shaved head. Wait until you see the shape of his skull. It is disturbing. So they said, but what good is it? And the investigator said, well, if both attorneys agree to it, it is also, isn't true. Not true. And Jimmy said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I'll take a polygraph test,

assuming that's what he means. But he didn't say, I want my attorney. He said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I do that. So the investigator said, all right, I'll be right back. Okay. So obviously that's open to interpretation, but that's an equivocal asking for a lawyer. It's not even asking for a lawyer. That's not unequivocally, I want a lawyer, which is what you have to say.

That's saying I'll talk to one eventually, yeah. Yeah, before I do that, I'd like to talk to a lawyer type of thing. So he steadfastly denies killing Tracy Still though. He's like, this is ridiculous. So they get search warrants and they're searching his house and vehicle and trying to get physical evidence and all that kind of thing.

Then a month goes by here. Okay, this is about November 16th, 2010. He's sitting in jail, Jim he is, in the Chilton County jailail, and he asks the staff about the location of his vehicle and cell phone. Hey, where's my car and cell phone? Because I got places to go from county jail. So the investigator learned about this request

and then went to the jail along with another guy, another cop, to talk with him. Well, that's an excuse to go talk to him now. We can talk to him about that. He's asking for things. He's asking for shit. So prior to the encounter, this cop, Lockhart, gets a written statement from a woman named Tiffany Matthews

who is incarcerated with his girlfriend, Tanya Van Dyke. Now according to Matthew's statement, Van Dyke admitted that she and Jimmy were involved in the murder and gave this Tiffany Matthews and another prisoner, a detailed description of the killing. Oh, so this cop brought a copy of that statement to the jail and read portions of it to Jimmy. This is what's being said. Yeah. But he changed the pronouns rather than saying like Tracy saying she said that yeah she makes it sound it makes it

sound like it's written by his girlfriend I did this I did that you know just in that way so that way he thinks his girlfriend wrote a letter to the cops ratting them both out basically okay so that's how that goes he agreed or I'm sorry He said that I lock heart the cop stated that Jimmy asked to read the statement a second time or for him to read the statement a second time After which Jimmy quote put his head down and appeared to be in deep thought After a short piece a short time he picked his head up just was silent for like a minute and a half, picked

his head up and said, quote, you might want to get a pen and a piece of paper. Okay? So then he begins to give a detailed description of everything. And this is- He's about to confess. Everything to the detail because he wants to be more detailed than the than the girlfriend. So yeah so Here we go. This is disturbing by the way, just a little heads up for you

I want to fast forward about a couple of minutes if you don't like hearing weird awful shit. So in this video they Jimmy tells Lockhart that they had seen an episode of the television program CSI, him and his girlfriend had seen CSI. What year is this? 2010. Okay. So yeah, it's, it's, it's been on, it's been on approximately for the last 40 years.

So at some point in the last 40 years it was on. We just saw an episode that shits wild y'all Now this particular episode two brothers kidnapped a person held them in a cage and tortured them Obviously behavior you want to model yourself after so well that looks fine. That looks good Jimmy told the cop that quote for a long time He had watched stuff like that and could see himself doing something like that for pretty much as long as he could remember. He's had a fantasy of kidnapping and torture forever, which is very disturbing. And it's crazy that it took 40 years for it to happen. Yeah.

If that's what he's saying. So Jimmy then tells this cop that he discussed his fantasies with Tanya. That's amazing, by the way. People don't like to ask for a blowjob, you know what I mean? They don't like to ask for some little sexual thing. This guy's like, all right, check it out.

Here's what we're gonna do now. He even, he got so close with her, he's like, I don't wanna do it to you, but you know. I wanna get someone to torture him. Well, but you know. Well, and then after someone torture them. Well, the fucked up part is, and this is how, you know, only fucked up people find each other like this. He tells her that expecting her to go, Oh, you're a horrible person. And she said, me too.

Wow. Now there's two of them. Now there's two. Wow. So they began to form a plan in which they would quote, this is a quote from him, find a bad person like somebody who had molested a child to be their victim or maybe going to Walmart and snatching someone at random. You know, either or.

Either a child molester or just some person they find at Walmart. Or somebody that needed to get paper towels today. Oh my God. So, Jesus Christ. Eventually they decided, let's just kill your cousin. Let's just do that. Oh my. Let's just kill Tracy.

So he then goes into detail. He said that after he and Tracy and Tanya finished running errands, they returned to her trailer and were in a conversation. Short time later, the women, Tanya and Tracy, went into the hallway near the bathroom, at which point Tanya out of nowhere slaps Tracy in the face. Pops her one.

According to Jimmy, the slap was a pre-planned signal for he and Tracy to set their plan into motion. And go. Yeah. It was like a starter pistol basically. So he said that he approached Tracy from behind and put her in a chokehold until she was almost unconscious. Then he and Tanya took Tracy into the bedroom where Jimmy forced Tracy to perform took Tracy into the bedroom where Jimmy forced Tracy to perform oral sex on him while time well Tanya pointed a gun at her head yes what the fuck are you

doing Jimmy then said he told Tanya to shoot Tracy if Tracy bit his penis so Tracy asked if she could use the bathroom at which point Jimmy followed her into the bathroom and she had to do a number two here. So when they returned to the bedroom Tanya undressed and sat at the head of the bed and told her cousin to perform oral sex on her. She sat there like queen shit and said, go down on me, which, Jesus Christ. So then Jimmy said that he was having both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy while she was performing oral sex on Tani, which he said that truthfully the first time, he just

didn't say it was at gunpoint. We raped her for it. Yes, they just yeah exactly According to Jimmy Tracy asked to use the bathroom again Okay. Now Jimmy said that he again accompanied her to the bathroom and made her perform This sentence is just disturbing. So he quote made her perform oral sex on him while she was defecating Yeah, I I'm out of words man. I'm out of words for depravity and Fucking I don't even know I don't even know what to say to that. He's going real far is what he's doing

How disturbed does your brain have to be so fucked up How disturbed does your fucking brain have to be to think Robin dignity? This is sexual like that to you Yeah, this is crazy. So Jimmy told the detectives after she finished using the bathroom She attempted to escape by running out of the back door of the trailer So he said he prevented by the escape by grabbing her hair and dragging her back to the bedroom. He then told detectives he resumed fucking raping her until he and Tanya looked at each other and shook their heads. At that point, he stated that he took his knife out of his sock and cut her cut Tracy on the side of her neck in an attempt to cut

her jugular vein. Jimmy told the detective then that he began to get scared because she quote wasn't dying fast enough. Yeah. Oh, sorry. That's very inconvenient. He then said that he fucking stabbed her in the back and continued to cut her throat while he was having sex with her by the way Well, he was raping her. He was walking cutting her throat He said that he apologized to Tracy and told her that it was quote nothing against her She just needed to quit fighting and just let go Nothing feels pretty personal. I gotta be honest as you're raping me and stabbing me in the throat I feel I can't help but feel it's personal.

And saying like the worst things. Horrible shit. So Jimmy said after she was dead, and he was just cutting her throat like a madman, just slashing back and forth. After she was dead, he went into her bathroom and took a shower. Then he and Tanya left the trailer, went back to Tanya's house and had sex with each other. Wow. You know?

So he can't even say I did that and was horrified by it and was horrified by my own action. No, that made him horny. Yeah, I'm not done. Wow. I'm, I'm, I'm, this motherfucker is, nevermind this motherfucker, the two of them are together. They're in on this together. This is crazy.

This is her own cousin. Tanya's a monster too. This is insane. So anyway, he's going to go to trial, obviously here. With that on paper. With all of that on, not on paper, on video. That was a video that. He's going to trial?

He's going to trial, and they're gonna show that to a jury. Okay. Imagine if you heard what I just told you, come out of that person's mouth and watched it come out of his mouth, and then you had the opportunity to put him in prison. To judge him on it.

To judge him on it, put him in prison. You would be, couldn't wait to put him in prison. Oh boy, I mean, why are we here? Why isn't he pleased? What are we doing? Yeah. Judge him on it. Put him in prison. You would be couldn't wait to put him in prison. So Why are we here? What are we doing? Yeah He's charged with capital murder because the slaying was committed during the rape rape in the first degree And he faces a second capital charge because the slaying was committed while sodomy in the first degree occurred So they are absolutely going for the death penalty on this one. Yeah. Let me show you his picture, Jimmy. Okay. Here's the useless guy.

Okay. Now I'm going to show you the face first and then I'll pan up to the top of his head. So there's his face. Yeah. Nice eyes. Normal guy. Now let me do the reveal. Oh, what the fuck is that? It looks like he's got a man bun made of skull on top of his head. He's got a skullica.

I've never seen that before. He's got a yarmulke that's just bone. It's a giant, humongous thing on his fucking head. I don't know. Is it a tumor? I think his skull is fucking deformed or something you can see why he had long hair though right yeah you'd want to cover it and it was like puffy like an 80s rock star otherwise if you had long hair he'd

still the big lump on top of it that is all I have to say is I'm happy that happened to him. He deserves he deserves that fucking head. He's earned that head. Oh my God. So, um, yeah. So there's all of these and the prosecution during their opening says, quote, when Tracy Brown woke up that morning, she had no idea what was in store for her. Oh shit. Tracy Brown's day and Tracy Brown's life ended as she laid face down in her bedroom, her throat cut nearly ear to ear, gasping her last breath. So they also talk about the details of it

to the jury in the opening. They wanna shock the jury here. This man pled not guilty. Not guilty. And went to trial. Went to fucking trial. I can't believe it. It's it's pretty ballsy. I gotta say So during the opening statement here

His lawyer. This is Jimmy's lawyer here said that He doesn't tell the jury that he's completely innocent. He just tells him to pay attention He said don't get caught up on the procedural things He said our Constitution guarantees everyone has a right to a fair trial. Listen to the evidence, all the evidence. Don't make up your mind after hearing, just after hearing from the first one or two witnesses. Listen to everything and then put my client in the electric chair. That's what he said basically. Listen to everything before we make spores on his toes. Oh god So they fucking take him to they show the video of his

Interrogation here of his confession I should say and it's describing Detailed graphic accounts and I didn't use his words, but he often uses pretty vulgar language He's not saying like, you know, I made her have oral sex with this. He's, he's being a fucking monster. He's being a pig. Yeah. You know what's crazy is he goes, I'm not going to take a polygraph. That's not immiscible in court. I want to give you a full confession. That's that's immiscible. That won't even, you guys can't even convict me with that.

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Because that was, he sat and thought about it for a minute and then he was like, I'll tell you what happened. Fuck it, get a pen. So, in the video, he said that he told Brown after cutting her that he was sorry and it was nothing against her and so they heard him say that shit he he also told the investigators that he first got the idea from CSI and all that this is after they've heard testimony from all these witnesses saying what a monster he is and everything else.

So during the closing argument, there can't be a lot to talk about in this trial. You pretty much go, here's the video and have a good time deliberating. So during the prosecution or during the closings, prosecution said Tracy died because two people wanted to know what it was like to kill someone. The man who slit her throat told us what happened.

That man sits in the courtroom today. Mr. James Osgood. That's the guy. Defense attorney said, hey, listen, I know things look bad here. Then he said that, yeah, none of this is normal. We get that. We get having sex with your cousin and your girlfriend or cousin. That's not normal.

But he said, no, nothing in this man's life has been normal. He said, yeah. He said, fine. Find him guilty of murder if you want to. He said, but not capital murder. That's crazy. Just regular murder. He told, he said that if you basically the judge is going to probably give you lesser

charges to consider when you go to deliberations He said quote the judge will likely give you another possible verdict of murder intentional murder murder We don't have the added enhancements to make it a capital case We ask you to consider each element and strongly ask you to consider their lesser Possibility of murder and not finding him guilty of capital murder He said that um and he also this is wild during his closing here consider their lesser possibility of murder and not finding him guilty of capital murder. He said that, and he also, this is wild, during his closing here, he said that he tried

to tell the jury that the sex acts committed between them were all consensual. Oh, she. Consensual. She wanted that. She wanted to give gunpoint blowjobs, that's what she was looking for, that turns her on. She's Janet Soprano, that turns her on.

So, so anyway, the prosecutor, Gunpoint blowjobs. That's what she was looking that turns her on. She's Janice soprano and that turns her on so So anyway, the prosecutor came back and said No, don't buy any of that. The prosecutor said quote. Why why did Tracy Brown die? The life was taken because that man right there wanted to fulfill some twisted fantasy to kill someone He enjoyed it the same things you've heard this week that turned your stomach, that turned him on. He said, consensual, consensual? Are you kidding me?

Playoffs? He's like, no. Yeah. Practice? Talk about practice. So the verdict comes in. Guilty as fuck is what they said. We find the defendant guilty as fuck, your honor.

Of what? Capital fucking murder. That's what they said. We find the defendant guilty as fuck, your honor. Of what? Capital fucking murder. That's what they said, yeah. He said it. Some 78-year-old Alabama church woman probably said that too. Capital fucking murder, your honor. So the sentencing comes around, and the state

is asking the jury to recommend the death sentence, obviously, under the aggravating circumstances that the capital offense was committed during the course of a rape and that the capital offense was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel compared to other capital offenses. And we do this show, we hear about nothing but murders, this is especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel

compared to other cases. This is very, very shitty. This is a top 10% fucked up crime. So this isn't a gunshot to the back of the head real quick and trying to get some insurance money. This is crazy. They didn't have a threesome with a girl. They raped her cousin.

They raped and killed her cousin, period. That's crazy. Done. So the mitigators, they call three witnesses, okay, for mitigation to try to save his life. One is Anne Marie Osgood's sister, talk about their harrowing childhood. The other is a forensic psychiatrist,

Dr. Leonard Mulberry Jr. And the next is a mitigation specialist named, couldn't make this up, Teal Dick. Teal like the color, T-E-A I C K teal deck blue dick old teal dick southwestern cock there pastel dick that's right so that is uh that's interesting so Jimmy's sister talks about her brother and she said that you know I still love him very much and he's always been it's always been me and Jimmy against the world she said she said I don't condone what happened and what he has done, but I will always love my brother

He didn't want me to come today, but I wanted to because I wanted to let people know that he is loved Why tells him all about the childhood the abuse from the early age and she's crying on the stand and all that which it's a Terrible childhood obviously my mother was a drug addict and a prostitute and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm sure that's awful. It's terrible. Still can't murder people and rape them. No, and not like that.

That's not okay. No. God damn. She said, Jimmy always focused on the fact that he was abandoned by our biological parents. Even to this day, he talks about why we were abandoned and the fact that our parents didn't want us. That stuck with him. Now,

Teal Dick gets up there and he said that malnutrition such as he had as an infant and having rickets and all that, he said that has been linked to low IQ and antisocial behavior, which I'm sure in brain's development, if it doesn't have the things it needed, it'll fuck everything up. You don't have the vitamins to maintain it? Sure. Yeah, and if it happens then, it short circuits it forever because that's when all your development, the building blocks of your development happen. So he also testified that he interviewed Jimmy on multiple occasions and that Jimmy claimed

he was both physically and sexually abused beginning when he was four or five years old and stated that Jimmy, like his sister, was left alone in bars and forced to perform oral sex on strange men. He provided the jury with an explanation of how a human brain develops from childhood and says that Jimmy's brain was hindered by the circumstances in which he grew up. Specifically, he points out Osgood's lack of attachment at an early age, I think I said that earlier, and continued to Osgood'sulative Being manipulative lacking emotions and being abnormally insensitive to punishment. He's just a fucking psychopath basically Blank slate he also stated that

Asgud is unable to have real empathy or to connect with other people and according to dick teal dick His early abandonment malnutrition contributed to his present psychological state. Basically, this guy in front of you had no control over the fact that he's just fucked up is what he's saying. Yeah, because he didn't have any vitamin B12 when he was nine months old. Got nothing, he had the scurvy. So then they get the psychiatrist in there,

but the teal dick also said that the lack of early bonding with his parents coupled with his experiences predisposed him to behaviors that led to this kind of conduct. Guy didn't have any carrots. Got nothing. So, Dr. Leonard Mulby here, forensic psychiatrist, testified that he interviewed Osgood on two occasions

and performed a psychiatric evaluation. He stated that he was asked specifically to evaluate Osgood's unusual sexual behaviors to determine whether he exhibited compulsive sexual behavior or addiction. Now according to this doctor here, Jimmy revealed that he was sexually abused at three or four. His first sexual encounters were with other children at the age of nine his first non being raped by an adult and that when he was 14 he became he impregnated a 24 year old woman that he was in a relationship with this doctor diagnosed him with alcohol use disorder methamphetamine use disorder and anti social anti social personality disorder

also diagnosed him with sexual addiction And there and said that he reported having ten children But knew the whereabouts of only one and said that his background definitely contributed to the development of his antisocial personality disorder Which contributed to all this behavior? That's it right there you need your fucking vitamins eat that. So and there's with all these peaches around too That's the sad part all these peaches No vitamins Pick a peach off the ground. Give it to the kid Jesus So Tracy's family also addresses the court here. This is her stepmother Jackie says I saw all the autopsy photos

They were really damn it. They were the autopsy photos. They were really, they were in court every day. They were really horrible. I can't imagine anyone doing that to someone, even their worst enemy. I don't know what kind of mind that has that kind of thinking. Where is your mind? Where is your humanity?

I just don't understand. Yeah, a normal person can't understand that. It says it's so disturbed. The prosecutor says, James Osgood planned to kill Tracy Brown, fantasized about doing it, but killing her was not enough. He raped her. He sodomized her. He taunted her. He cut her throat multiple times and stabbed her twice in the lungs because she wasn't dying fast enough. Your honor. Um, he said, um, yeah. So he says, uh, your honor,

the death penalty has no place in Alabama unless it is imposed for crimes like these conducted by this asshole, basically. So the jury takes about 30 minutes here for the sentencing. And it's a unanimous verdict. And the judge says, quote, Mr. Osgood, this sentence is not given lightly. I can't think of a darker set of facts than what you have given us. You, sir, may fuck off death penalty.

Yeah. So Tanya says, oh fuck, and pleads guilty. Yeah. Yeah, she's like, well. I can't believe he didn't. That's what I mean. So she pleads guilty to all the charges. Whatever you got, just take the death penalty off the table.

And they do. And during the sentencing, the prosecutor said, it was the most grisly scene I've ever seen. The death was not instantaneous. It drug out. It was brutal. She was tortured for almost an hour before she was finally killed.

Now, obviously, nothing will ever bring back Tracy Brown. Her life is gone. but the gentleman involved, he has received the death penalty, and Ms. Van Dyke will be in a jail cell for the rest of her life and never have any hope of leaving. And you ma'am may fuck off life without for you. And what's her fucking excuse?

Did she not have asparagus either? Come on. We don't know. The fuck lady? We didn't do the mitigating factors because she wasn't up for the death penalty. So they said Tracy's family said, we know nothing will bring Tracy back,

but this will help us move forward with our lives. This has been a tremendously long road for all of us, but it's nice that we can have some closure. So yeah, cause we just put my niece in forever. So this is a mess for this family. So they said, we weren't sure we would live to see the end of this, but we hope to never hear Tanya's name ever again.

That's what one of the family members said. This will never leave us. I'm not sure Tanya is sorry for what she did. To murder my sister and her cousin, life without parole is pretty easy. We grew up together and I just don't understand it." So the prosecutor said, not just because of Tracy Brown's brutal death, but because of the slow agonizing way she died.

It's scary that anyone can care so little for human life that a family member was tortured and murdered to fulfill a sick fantasy. James Osgood is on death row and Tanya Van Dyke will die in prison with no hope of ever leaving. Tracy Brown deserved justice and although it took almost five years, I feel like it was finally served today. Now very quickly, he appeals this in 2016. Really? 39 grounds for appeal he has. Is that right? Yeah, we're not going to go over all of them obviously. We have like eight minutes left

in the show. So what we're going to do here instead here is quickly. He argues that the statements he gave police during the November 16th interview, the confession, which he admitted to raping, sodomizing and killing Tracy were unconstitutionally obtained because he doesn't dispute that he signed a waiver of his Miranda rights, but he asserts that because he invoked his right to counsel on October 18th that and that he never reinitiated contact with law enforcement regarding the investigation, the police violated his constitutional rights when they conducted the November 16th, 2010 interview. Even though he signed his Miranda rights away. He was asked to talk to them,

talk about his phone and his truck. And that's why they went there, because they said, oh, blue pole, he wants to talk to us. So that means he called us to find a question out. So now we can talk to him and if he waves his Miranda rights, then we can talk to him about the murder. Otherwise, they can't re-initiate contact. Feels legit to me.

Yeah, even when Dahmer was caught and they were talking to him every day, every day Jeffrey Dahmer had to wake up and tell the jailer, I want to talk to those detectives, or else they weren't allowed to talk to him. He had to say it every day that he wanted to talk to him. So, yeah, that's one of his claims. He also claims that his mitigating factors weren't considered enough

Were considered enough, but I did I didn't I didn't get my veggies So they said that yes Family life and drug use Procluded the jury from considering other non-statutory mitigating circumstances offered by him and that the instructions suggested to the jury that there was at least one scenario in which the jury should not even consider mitigating circumstances in his deliberations. The judge's instructions are a big deal here.

Due to improper jury instructions, the convictions stay, but the sentences are reversed and now he has to go back for re-sentencing. So in 2018, what this is so weird, they have to do that phase of the trial over again. Not the guilt, he's guilty, but they have to pick a new jury just to do the penalty phase again. All right. So they're gonna Re-offend all these people you know a new group of them not the same one twelve more people these fucking pictures

Let's bring them in now tell us what we should do with them fuck your day all up everybody come on in So they ask him if he's got anything to say and Jimmy says this quote, I've always been a firm believer in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. If you can't do the time don't commit the crime. If you follow it up with 400 other cliches. Penny saves a penny earned. You never tell you that. Holy shit. He says, then he says, this is the most understated thing in the world. He says, quote, okay, I screwed up.

Wow. Really? Wow. Wow. Okay, I screwed up. That is amazing. I deserve what I was given. When I was told by the appeal court

that this was coming back for a re-sentence I was worried because my worry was the jury would come back with life without parole and I didn't want that I remember when I was sentenced the things you told me the manner in which you told me So I took it that if I put the sentence in your hands again, meaning the judge I would get the same sentence which would be death and The court said is that what you are knowingly asking me for death And he said yes, sir The judge says well then you sir may fuck on off fucking death penalty again. That's all sure

Do you want it that bad fuck it? I guess right? so 2020 changes his mind about wanting to die now. He's not so sure He's found some years. Yeah, he's got Now he doesn't want it. He's found some. Two years. Now he's got some stuff going on in there. He's training dogs or something. He's doing fine.

So he appeals the death sentence, but it doesn't work, and it's still on the books. So then by summer 2024, last summer, he's getting upset. He wants an execution date. He's like, at least tell me when it's happening now. If you're not gonna take it away, at least kill me when it's happening now. If you're not going to, if you're not going to take it away, at least kill me already.

Fuck. He wrote in a letter to his attorney, I no longer feel as if I'm even existing. I'm tired. I want to complete my sentence. He's done. Yeah. Now you're understanding what the death penalty is about. It's torture. So March, 2025 here. So last month here, it was announced that on April 24th, 2025,

very soon, that is his execution day. Oh! Yeah. And the governor said, "'Although I have no current plans to grant clemency in this case, I retain my authority under the constitution to grant a reprieve or commutation if necessary any time before it's carried out.

So currently, there is a save this scumbag movement here. Really? Which I don't care if he's in there for life or kill him, do whatever you want, doesn't matter, he's a piece of shit. This is one of those guys, we're not big death penalty guys, but this is one of those people where it's like,

okay, he definitely did it, DNA evidence, he confessed in detail to it, he's one of the sickest fucks who's ever lived, and if he's in prison, he's just gonna do more shit that we're gonna have to pay for. I hope his final meal is all vegetables. All veggies, but he also didn't really fucking, I don't know, this is just a mess, he's a mess.

He's doing nothing to redeem himself either. He's just jamming up the system and costing us more mess. He's doing nothing to redeem himself. No, no, no, no. He's just jamming up the system and costing us more money. That's the thing. All of these appeals, I can't tell you how much money this costs. Whereas if it was just life without parole, all these automatic appeals wouldn't be as deep.

That sentence, it's really deep. So this is actionnetwork.org has a stop the execution of James Osgood in Alabama and it says to Governor Kay Ivey where we are waiting or writing you to ask that you stop the execution of James Osgood. The vast majority of states with capital punishment continue on a downward trend of executions. Alabama has continued to go against the trend by carrying on with its scheduled execution dates. against the trend by carrying on with its scheduled execution dates. Alabama must delay all executions for a thorough study of its capital punishment process and consider the serious objections raised as to how it administers the death penalty.

Yeah, Alabama has repeatedly shown it's not capable of carrying out executions as it's boxing, botching its lethal injection process, amounting to cruel punishment and the torture of prisoners. And so, yeah, they asked, do you stop this execution? Build the giant microwave and put him in it? He's a bad guy. This is fucking crazy. Yeah, this is one of those things, though.

Doesn't bother me if he was in life without parole. Really don't care. I don't really give a shit either way, honestly. Just whichever, whatever. You're gonna do it, do it, but do it fast and get rid of him, because he's... Yeah, that's like fucking... Deserves what he's getting.

That dude in the wires holding the gun on bubbles when he bumped his carton into Marlowe's car Marlowe comes out and says what do it or don't but let's fucking go like what are we doing here so anyway there you go everybody that is Clanton Alabama yeah that's disturbing is it not unbelievable completely unprovoked this woman did nothing to deserve this no one was mad at her No one was trying to get anything from her. They didn't rob her They're just like wouldn't it be fun to torture somebody and kill them Fucking gross so if you enjoyed bros till he explodes gets it if you enjoy this story

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