Small Town Murder - #78 - A Blaze Of Glory in Redding, Connecticut

Episode Date: July 25, 2018

This week, in Redding, Connecticut, a group of young men move into their own place, and everything is great... until a dispute over a small amount of money with the landlord leads to incredible violence & horror, shocking everyone around the affluent & leafy town. It's a double serving of crazy!! Along the way, we find out where Mark Twain died, if punching 12 year olds is ever acceptable & how many days a tenant can be late with rent before you're allowed to go out in a blaze of glory!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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you should take a hike. But for everybody else here, it's time. It's time, Jimmy. I know what you're saying. I know what everybody's saying. You're saying, shut up and give me murder. That's the one. So let's do it.

Let's roll. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. You ready to roll? I like it. You got all your shit or what? You packed up? Let's roll. All right, let's go.

Let's do it. All right. I got the AC rolling, babe. Yeah, fire that up. It's so fucking hot out there. Did you run the car for 15 minutes first so it's not 340 degrees? I'm going to have a tank of gas trying to cool my car off now. That's what you do.

You gas up. You go home. You warm the car up. You go back to the gas station. It's a terrible thing living in Arizona. We're going somewhere else. We're going out east this time. I promised you back to the northeast this week.

And we are going back to the northeast all the way to Connecticut. We're going to Redding, Connecticut. Very exciting there. I've heard of the Northeast this week. And we are going back to the Northeast all the way to Connecticut. We're going to Redding, Connecticut. Oh, very exciting there. I've heard of the one in Pennsylvania. Yes, there's several Reddings. You've heard of the, well, I guess it's reading, but it's still spelled like the Redding in Pennsylvania. No, it's not.

But Pennsylvania's spelling, Redding is reading, right? This is not. This is Red, R-E-D-D-I-N-G. Well, Pennsylvania might be spelled like that. I think it's the other way for some reason, though. We'll get tweets. Don't worry about it, okay? We'll figure it out before that, so save your tweets. Don't dwell on it. We got time to learn.

So, we're not going to learn, Jimmy. One thing we do, we refuse to learn, so don't even try to do that. It's in the southwestern part of the state. It has a prominent panhandle, Connecticut does. Oh, yeah. In the western part there. Oh, yeah. In the western part. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's a chunky one sticking out there. And there is one county in that. The Hulk panhandle is one county. And that county is Fairfield County, where this town falls. Oh, wonderful. So this is a panhandle county in a kind of an affluent state, in a very affluent area. Anytime I hear somebody's from Connecticut, I just go, oh, great. Yeah, yeah. Lots of button-ups in your fucking's from Connecticut, I just go, oh, great. Yeah, yeah.

Lots of button ups in your fucking closet. Yeah. I just think that your roads are nice. Yeah. I just remember from New York, if you go on I-84, bumpy, bumpy, bumpy, smooth when you hit Connecticut. You're like, ooh, they must pay taxes here. This is nice.

This is great. You can tell the states that pay taxes right away. It's like, ooh, Connecticut pays taxes. New York is shit. Right. Even though the taxes are high still, I don't think anyone's paying them because these roads suck.

If you go to Arkansas, there must be no taxes there. None. I think, well... Because you're basically off-roading when you go to Arkansas. I think there's no sales tax there. There can't be anything

because you might as well bring a dune buggy when you go through there and hook your shit up to that and just drag it because it's horrible. It probably varies from county to county, but I'm pretty sure that there's no state uh uh sales probably i don't know i know they have a florida has no income tax and texas has some form of that whatever this is in fairfield county uh it's about an hour and 50 minutes to new york city so this is like uh some rich people

who live in new york city will or work in new york city and are big shit there will like have a mansion and that they live in they'll drive two work in New York City and are big shit there will have a mansion that they live in here. They'll drive two hours to get to that fucking thing. Yeah, or be driven, either one. About an hour and 15 to Hartford. Oh, my God. I've never thought of that before. They're being driven by a car.

That would be fucking amazing. That would be great. You'd get all your shit done. You'd hang out. Can you imagine being rich? You know what's funny? You know what the shit part of that is, though? You know what I thought of?

Because I can't put myself in that light i thought of myself i'd have an hour and 50 minutes uninterrupted in the back of the car to do research that's what i thought i was like dude i could be quiet back there i could put the fucking glass thing up nobody could bother me i'd do tons of research it'd be great i was just thinking about four hours sleep yeah yeah that's right i'm thinking oh yeah do you ever sleep in a car? Yeah, it's wonderful. It's the best sleep I ever get. It rocks you. It's like boat sleep.

Oh, God, that's awesome, too. Especially a limo. It's got that kind of bobbing boat motion because it's so long. So, yeah, you're going to get that nice. Oh, that'd be great. That would be good here. I said hour 15 to Hartford, an hour and 20 to East Lyme, Connecticut, where we were the last time we were in Connecticut, which was, I don't know, 50 episodes ago or so. Zip code 06896, area code 203 or 475.

So beware of this panhandle area code coming your way. That's interesting. It ran out of area codes before we even got one. Well, it's a way. That's funny. It's true. Well, it's this year, too. It's a it's a big area. So it

makes sense that the area codes are split. It's a 32 square mile area. OK, about a half a mile of that's on water. There's some shit there, but it's mainly just there's a lot of woods here. It's this is a leafy, nice area. This reading motto here. And this is true, too. I got to say here, motto, you know nothing about connecticut so this is the capital so there you go they've tricked everybody that's not no that's not their motto they don't have a motto but that should be their motto because what do you does anyone know about connecticut nothing no one gives a shit about connecticut i don't know i don't know their cap there you go do i know it probably know it i know that that uh if you said

it i'd be like yeah of course that's right but uh i know the mall there has no sales tax i don't know if connecticut has it now but i remember the danbury mall had no sales tax and everybody would drive there to get school clothes in new york so you'd get bumpy bumpy bumpy smooth no sales tax and you drive home and that's where the hats were made right and that's yeah that's right there so uh it's a like i said 32 square miles history of this place uh this place is uh goes back all these northeast cities aren't like well they found it and no you know we went to canyon lake place or whatever it was it's like you know 1973 they decided to put it together founded this is you know 1639 we're talking about sweet peace for this town here colonists began receiving grants for land within the boundaries of what is now reading yeah this was native american trails were all through

here uh this was the berkshire path ran through there a roger ludlow in 1639 uh was the guy who he purchased a lot of land from local native americans to establish the city of Fairfield. And then in 1668, Fairfield purchased some more land. They called Northfield, and part of that is now Reading. Interesting. So that's how it came to. The first colonists to settle the area here. They lived near a Native American village, and this Native American village was...

I think something had to be lost in the translation here. The Native American village was run by a guy named Chickens Warrups. Warrups. Which sounds like, it sounds like a blackface performer, like a vaudeville guy who puts blackface on and goes, I'm Chicken Warrups. That's what it sounds like, and he's very offensive. That's what I mean. It's a racist, offensive character from the 30s.

The guy in blackface coming out doing Anthony Jeselnik jokes. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I feel like him here. Chicken Warups, or he was also known as Sam Mohawk to some people. That sounds more racist. It kind of does. That sounds worse. That sounds like a mascot.

It's Mohawk Sam, the mascot for the local baseball team. The local AAA team the local triple a fucking you know i don't even know i just tried to think of something offensive to call them and they're all the names of real sports teams so i give up i was gonna say those red skin never mind fuck that's racist as shit but i can't use that i don't know you know so whatever it is but uh that's that's how that worked here old chicken warrups uh He was the guy who all the land deeds pretty much from the settlers in this area, that's who was signing them, was Sammy Mohawk, a.k.a. Chicken Warrups. That's fascinating. Yeah, this Chicken Warrups guy.

I'm very fascinated with a guy like that. I want to know more about him. Well, Chicken Warrups, he lived in southwestern part of Connecticut in the late 17th century. Well, chicken more ups. He lived in southwestern part of Connecticut in the late 17th century. He was he was the guy. He also would he would sell them land for specific things to be like, we want to put a church there. And the chicken man would be like, all right. All right. Cool. We'll do that. Chicken man. Chicken man. All right. That's cool. I feel like he must have been like walking around petting a chicken or something the whole time.

Like the godfather with his cat. He's just petting it. He had it upside down, though, and was petting its balls. Just only in the dick. Interesting. Very strange. Is he petting its warps? What movie is that? Then he flips.

That's Kramer on Seinfeld. Does that where he's got it backwards? He's petting it. He looks down. He's like, oh, Jesus. And he flips the rooster around. Little Jerry Seinfeld. Little Jerry.

That's hilarious. I got a cockfight to win here. I got a lot of things going on so uh yeah chicken warrups in this area uh according to this to the state records here uh reading uh the original town name was reading like it was reading but spelled reading for some reason they did that then they just changed it to reading to be you know so people would say it right because i assume everyone they came into town was like reading huh and they're like fucking asshole and after a while they went maybe it's us yeah maybe it's maybe we should spell it the way we want people to say it and just make this easy well i mean who are we kidding here what are we trying to get them to pronounce it reading because that is not a word that's not a

word but reading is a word and they're seeing a word. But reading is a word. Right. And they're seeing that word. And they're saying it. And they're saying it. Because these people are literate. They're lettered. And we have a problem here. Because you know what they do? They're used to reading.

Yeah. So shit. All right. Well, let's change it. They're just reading our fucking sign that says reading. You think they'd be like, who are we trying to prove? What are we proving to people here? We're spelling it this way.

All we're doing is fucking being mispronounced constantly. I guess there was a town in Berkshire england named uh redding that's spelled that way so that's always fucking english everything but wig douchebags brought the whole thing down here uh the whole damn thing also there's a guy named john reed who they say might have been after him who was an early major land home uh land holder here he was a prominent lawyer in boston and ended up uh you know having a big having a lot of land here from and being in boston because he's got money and he can he helped uh he helped get the town boundaries all settled and all sorts of shit like that uh in 1767 the name was changed to the current spelling of reading

to you know so they said literally to better reflect its pronunciation. And to stop people from fucking it up. Yeah, because basically we're tired of being mispronounced. In 1809, they granted Reading the first U.S. post office, which made the official in 1844 the spelling of the town's name. Gotcha. Their first. It's first. Yeah, not the first in the country.

Yeah, they got their first because they have a have a few post offices it's more than you know a few people gotcha first was in philly correct i believe so but i that is not don't tweet us but yes i believe it is and i'm not positive let's i'm gonna go out on a limb philly new york or dc let's just say that good guy was one of those three or maybe boston who knows out of those four plymouth i'm gonna say one of those four could have been one on a fucking rock out there in massachusetts just sitting at just a guy on a horse out there going everybody's got some shit i'll be out at the rock you need me to run that shit somewhere bring it to me you know well you know plymouth bob he just stands

out on the horse on the just give it to him he's like that's who the the uh the postman was was right named that was kevin cosner start cosner just right yeah he modeled it after him. He's like, that's who the postman was named. That's the Kevin Cosner start. Yeah, Cosner just modeled it after him. He's like, there's a man atop a rock that I want to tell a story about. He just wants to take some words of yours to somebody else. That's it here. 1850, they began construction on the Danbury and Norwalk Railroad,

which linked those two cities and helped here. Obviously, whenever the railroad comes anywhere near a town that's always good uh they began uh extracting mica in the in the branchville section of reading mica mica a mica mica yeah it's a rock uh you remember great outdoors it's the old mica mine the kids yell down the thing it always comes back to the great outdoors you went yes now i know that was the same reactions when i said steve earl was on the wire he's like yes but i don't think i knew that there was micah in that mine i remember them crawling down the fucking mine yeah just i remember the old guy saying there's an old band and micah mine down by the thing and the kids they yell down the, and the teenagers do God knows what in there.

Sorry. Okay. Get off the old man. Great outdoors. I don't think they should be taking pictures with him. He died on the way over. You're a sick man. You're a sick man.

You're a sick man. I love that. Come on, kids. Maybe the best scene of the movie. And then the obligatory a dead person breathed on me, which you need to have that. So over time here, the mine would produce quartz, feldspar, mica, sputamine, whatever the hell that is. It sounds like something you'd clean semen up at a jack shack with and column bite, whatever

that the fuck is. Sounds like a powder. Yes. That's hilarious. It sounds like something that you like, like Ajax, you sprinkle water on the sputumite. On the sputumite. And it absorbs the spoo. Absolutely.

You know, that's what it is. It's like that shop shit we talked about to clean your hands, except for spooge. Right. Except for, it's a jizz breaking agent. You know, like dish soap breaks apart oil on a commercial? If we saw this on a commercial, there'd be sperm just swimming for their lives in other directions. Like when you hit a scorpion when they got the babies on the back. Oh, yeah, they flee everywhere.

It would just fucking jump. Just like little swimmers everywhere. They're all going to die. So gross. In 1834, Gilbert and Bennett Company purchased the site of a former comb mill yes a comb mill how do you mill combs we mill combs here that sounds isn't that a plastic manufacturer i'm hoping that's some sort of honeycomb but i think they probably it's probably comb mills uh they began producing wire mesh cloth after that for like you know

window screens and and see the thing i'm laughing about this stuff because that seems like a useless fucking tool yeah a useless product yeah that probably built this town and made them a fortune look on your zipper every zipper is made by the same company. Right. Like, you don't think about a zipper. No one thinks, like, I'm going to be the biggest zipper fucking kingpin in the world. But the guy or lady or whoever it is who takes in the majority of the profit from the zipper corporation is making a goddamn fortune because there's, like, 46 billion pairs of pants with your zipper on it. So even at a penny a piece you're

making out you know the people that made this mesh they probably figured out that there are homes going up everywhere with 30 40 windows on them that we put those sieves too for that sort of shit so mash on every fucking house and we're gonna clean i can never think of shit like this i've always thought of that i'll see some weird business that sounds boring as fuck and i'm like how do you get into that who thinks of that but that guy probably has a lot of money whoever that they have money whoever owns this shit and i didn't think of that one of the biggest houses in arizona the man that owns it and lives in it uh didn't even do it mind you uh but he still owns the patent because it's his family's oh boy it's the fucking wire twist ties that go on there. Yeah, there you go.

Wire twist ties on bread. The man's house is fucking 40 acres. That's what I'm saying. It's huge. That's what I mean. That's right there. That's the whole point. I need a thing like that.

I have an idea, too, that's really lame and boring, too, and I'm going to have it made. Let's have your dad do it, and you don't have to do shit. That's a good idea. I have enough going on. I'm going to be designing smart things uh so samuel clemens mark twain as we might know here lived in redding uh yes he moved here in 1908 and this was his final home he died in 1910 here uh he built a like a big villa here and the villa could not accommodate all of his books that he had and his like personal library.

So he donated them to the library of what would now then become the Mark Twain library. That's there now. And this, this place has retained some about 200 of the original 3000 volumes that he donated. That's awesome. Which is pretty fucking cool.

And a bunch of other stuff too. It's like kind of a museum. This library, you can go there and see a book that that dude hold that day yeah that was his book in his house that he'd had on a shelf and might have uh influenced him in some way shape or form it's kind of neat right there that's kind of badass uh so uh 1987 this gilbert and bennett people that we told about the the the question all that and the micah mines and everything they are like honored in history as an anachronism

uh in the u.s uh as in the u.s uh of u.s industry and labor uh this was the national register of historic places uh they cited them as quote peaceful tree-lined residential streets converge on functioning industrial complex well-preserved historic houses stand cheek by jowl with modern factories the deteriorated slum neighborhoods associated with modern industry do not exist the elite of georgetown almost exclusively associated with gilbert and bennett lived in the midst of their workers the predictable ethnic neighborhoods did exist in georgetown outside of the district for the most part i mean let's not go crazy. But their employees were apparently encouraged to occupy or build houses next to the mansions of the officers of the company.

That's cool. They were like, you can build some shit here. They were saying it was a really weird thing where they would have like these weird worker complexes, which sounds really creepy. Like, I'll just build a house on the boss's lawn. Like, who the fuck wants to do that? You want to get as far away from that guy as possible? But back then, I mean, you could fuck off at work a little easier.

Well, I guess they didn't, like, drop him in a mine at night. So that was considered downright classy back then and compassionate. Like, oh, they're nice to their workers. 1999, the EPA, Environmental Protection Agency, designated the factory pond and surrounding land a federal Superfund site to spur the remediation of pollution. We need to clean this shit up. Absolutely. Reading was selected as the second best small town by Connecticut Magazine in 2012, and it was selected as the fourth best town to live in nationwide by CNN Money in 2009.

Population here, 9,293, so 9,293, which is up 17% since 1990. Older crowd here. And when you look at a lot of things to do, a lot of it is there's things skewed towards families, and there's a lot skewed toward old people. Bocce ball and bridge and shit like that? Old people with money type of thing. Median age, 48.8. So that's 11 years older than the national average. More females than males. So that tells you that it's a little older right there.

61% married, which is way more than the 50% norm. I don't know. That's a lot of times older people too. Retired. Well, there's a lot of people with money here who tend to, it's weird, but they tend to be married. Yeah, they'll marry. They tend to be be like uh well i think it's also if you buy a big house maybe you don't maybe you have like an apartment in the city and then you get married and then if you're wealthy then you buy a big house in connecticut got it type of thing also i just thought every this this place just reminds me of the money pit with tom hanks that's that's what this is i feel like because you got so much fucking money and well i just feel like that's the neighborhood we're in is like the money pit with these big houses.

And also the people are probably not divorcing because they've got all these assets and it's just a lot. Yeah. Rich people will just sit there and well, I guess I'll wait you out. You wait me out. And whoever dies last is going to have a happy end of their life. They're both fucking around on each other. They're going to get the tennis instructor and he's a secretary. that's the way it goes baby but they got a big house but

look at this house you know you don't even have to be in the same side of the house as your whoever so uh widowed population here is higher than normal like we said a little bit older uh married with children is also a little bit higher uh it's a with no children. Not a lot, about half the average. So not a good place to really mingle and party, especially if you are not white, because race with this town is, as you might expect, 92% white. So pretty goddamn white. 1.34% black. Those, I assume, possibly the workers building their houses on the lawn of their office.

No, I'm just kidding. That's what it feels like, though, probably. I'm sure these rich people have those thoughts sometimes of the workers could just live on the lawn. That way we don't have to pay them as much. What do they need? Living expenses. Good God. But that one point whatever is probably just a couple of Yankees or Knicks that moved out.

Yeah, that's true, too. Yeah, you got a good point there. 1.27% Asian, which is less than half the average of usual here. Way less Hispanic. It's usually about 17% Hispanic. It's 3% here. So, yeah, it's religion in this town. 64% of the people are religious, which is shocking, honestly.

That's a lot. That's a lot. That's going to be your older people, too. But, yeah, that's a lot for a northeast town. It's a lot. That's going to be your older people, too. But yeah, that's a lot for a northeast town. It's very strange. 64% and 45.7% Catholic. Wow. That is heavy-duty Catholic.

The Baptists of the North. You betcha. Absolutely right there. 0.5% LDS. They're trying to move in. They're always a man. Yeah. Well, they have to save up to move there.

They're like, Utah is like half the price. Fuck, man. This is expensive. They stop tithing to buy a house. Yeah, that's yeah they have to save up to move there they're like utah is like half the price fuck man this is expensive to buy a house yeah that's what they have to do two percent jewish which is the highest we've ever had two percent that's incredible i don't think we've ever had more than one percent that's incredible those are new yorkers two percent yeah 0.6 percent islam uh 55 percent democratic uh 44 percent republican in this town this is bernie's wheelhouse in it well connecticut not really these are educated uh kind of elitist type these are the these are these people all went to good colleges and these people all have like yeah this is a different they've had a head start yeah this isn't this isn't a birkenstock wearing hippie liberal these are this is privilege this is yes this is uh let me explain to you from the beginning why my point of view is whatever.

It's superior to yours. Yes, exactly. Because my dad, whatever the third, knows better. Yeah, exactly. Well, no, their dad, the third, is the opposite. He's the one who had his workers living on his lawn going, I don't understand why this isn't good enough. Why do they need plumbing? I don't understand that.

They have buckets, don't they? But his dad knew better to pinch a penny and hang on to it all so that they can have a better life. Definitely. Unemployment rate's 5%, which is normal. That's pretty average here. Median household income is where we're going to go off the charts here. Normally, it's a little under $54,000. Here it is $121,667.

Wow. So a different kind of- $70,000 more than the average. Average is the median household has $121,667. So that's living it up right there. Finance and insurance, there's more than twice as many of those jobs. Real estate and that Finance and insurance. There's more than twice as many of those jobs. Real estate and that sort of thing. There's more than twice as many of those jobs. Professional scientific and technical services. Three times as many as of those jobs. Yes. Not a

lot of not a lot of like manufacturing. It's half. So this is this is some white collar shit here. There's not a lot of blue-collar shit. This is some white-collar shit here. Median home cost here. Wow. $534,200. Holy shit. It is now $216,000 in the rest of the country. $534,000 here.

For a piece of shit. This is crazy. Yeah, wait till we get to that. Okay. You can't get... There is no houses available that are worth under $100,000. So there's not even like a shack. And then like $100,000 to $200,000, less than 1% of the houses.

Most of the houses fall in the 37% fall in the $500,000 to $750,000 range. Squeezing you out. Yeah. And if we've convinced you that you are rich enough and this sounds wonderful, you'd like to live in leafy Redding, Connecticut. We have for you the Redding, Connecticut real estate report. Your average two bedroom apartment here goes for $2,560, which is more than twice the national average. And that's like L.A. prices. That's fucking high. Maybe not quite L.A. That's San Diego. That's like la prices that's fucking high maybe not quite la san diego that's that's san diego that's that's that's high right there three bedroom

two bath home i found 1700 square feet and it is rough really uh it's yeah it doesn't look like it's you need some work this thing's real rough 269 900 so that's a bargain there though i mean that's a fucking crazy that's a fixer-u. I found a five bedroom, four bath, forty seven hundred ninety square foot home. Beautiful big home. Five hundred forty nine thousand dollars there, which I mean, for that price there, I guess that's not terrible, but still very fucking expensive. I found a six bedroom, 11 bath, fourteen thousand eight hundred and866 square foot. Holy shit. Beautiful palatial village, village, villa for $6 million.

Holy fuck. So, yeah. That one's really fucking up the Zestimates in the area. Really driving them up. But it says like there's a long list of like, you know, directors and producers and musicians that live in this town. Yeah, because it's New York. It's their weekend house from new york they live in new york during the week they come out there that's their weekend home that they you know have their families and shit things to do in this town it is dubbed the quote vermont of connecticut so for whatever that's worth there you go uh yeah because it's there's a lot of trails and a lot of hiking this

is a more open area than a lot of the surrounding areas. Once you get out of here, Fairfield's a big city, and places like that are pretty big. Not a huge city, but it's a pretty big fucking city by Connecticut standards. There's more than 66 miles of trails in this area here, so that's a big deal. It's like a little New York. That's what it is. They have the Putnam State Memorial uh memorial state parks the new pond farm a 102 acre environmental education center and uh that sort of thing here kayaking area uh they have

the sester centennial events which is the 250 year anniversary of the town which they're celebrating and it's a big deal they call it sester that's the sester centennial s okay i got it sester centennial it's a double centennial and a half it's a yeah you got a couple and a half centennials hey how many centennials you throw in a sester that's how many i'll give you two and a half all right good enough a lot of events coming up for that crime rate in this town these people pay for a certain thing here uh crime rate is uh property crime is less than half the average of the rest of the country violent crime murder rape robbery assault the amount rushmore of uh of crime is about one-third the normal rate of the rest of the country okay so it this is a this is a safe

yeah very safe their tax dollars are going to police they're going to police and probably walls and shit like that but making their shell themselves fucking very visible kids can ride their bikes on these smooth smooth streets of this town relatively safe we'll say here uh so let's talk about a few people that ended up living in this town that weren't very affluent people no they found an apartment riffraff in they let the riffraff in? They let the riffraff in. They found an apartment. These kids, nice kids, they're known as a group of, quote, happy-go-lucky

young men, as they're described. Frat boys. They're not actually. They're not frat boys. They're kind of the, they're kind of us, Jimmy. Oh, really? They weren't that good in school. You know, they were smoking cigarettes. But they figured out $2,500 a month.

But they figured out kind of what to do and how to work it and they were like kind of in a band. They're like 21 years old, these kids and that sort of thing. But they're the type of kids we would have known rather than the type of kids where we would have been left. That fucking asshole lives in that huge house. That kid that we both hated.

We had twins at our high school and both the fuckers, they had... I like that we both grew up poor had twins at our high school and both the fuckers they had i like that we both grew up poor so we can hate those people together because that helps me out a lot because i was always like you motherfucker these fuckers drove a a lowered tahoe that was like professionally like everybody had a lowered car but we chopped the shit out of them to lower but it wasn't like you and your cousin doing it was actually somebody wasn't somebody on the weekend like cutting the springs and then putting them back in. These kids doesn't look bad, right?

It's all like fucking leaning one. Does it look professional? Yeah, it's great. Don't worry about it. These kids had a lowered Tahoe. It's like a fucking Dr. Dre video. It's fine. The car was probably 30 grand and then they cut the shit out of it.

Jesus Christ. And it was an unbelievable vehicle. That's terrible. And everybody hated them because they didn't do it you know what i mean their parents fucking did that for him and paid money for it yeah and and you don't but all the chicks dug them the chicks oh i bet yeah there were chubby kids and that were dorks until they had the car we had a couple kids who were getting blowies then they're getting yeah we had a few rich kids but not that many and all those rich kids were like

oh their their parents are in the mafia. It was shit like that. Like an Italian kid. And they own the fucking waste management company around there. And you're like, oh, okay. Now I get it. Now I get it. Shit like that.

And then one kid I knew whose dad was a fireman who died. So they had some money. You know what I mean? Otherwise, we were all poor. I had friends with their family who lived in an abandoned school bus for a while. Those were my friends. That's my kind of people. Yeah, that's what I mean? Like, otherwise, we were all poor. I had friends where their family lived in an abandoned school bus for a while. And those were my friends. That's my kind of people. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Those were my friends. And then I hear about these fucks and I'm like, yeah. So these kids, I don't mind. I'm all right with these kids. I went to school with a fucking mayor's kid. And then he left after elementary or middle school. He went to a private high school because your town isn't good enough. We would have beat the fuck out of that kid.

Yeah, well, shit. Maybe make the kids in there happier make them not so poor and they won't beat up your son i'm not sending him with their poor kids so this is a close-knit circle of kids who all went to school together yeah they were they were boy scouts together they were volunteer firefighters together okay they were like kind of had a band that they had together they're they're cool nice kids that everybody likes like hard workers they're not like they weren't good in school they're not like academic they're not going to college they're just like kind of cool blue collar kids that people like uh scott auerbach who is 21 years old this is uh we'll catch it in 1994 here uh he is 21 years old a david froelich who is 21 years old. This is, we'll catch it in 1994 here. He is 21 years old.

David Froelich, who is 22 years old. Is that F-R-O-E-L-I-C-H? Yeah, you got it right there. That's oftentimes pronounced Fralich. Fralich, yeah, I've seen it, Fralich. But then there's the guy who played for the Falcons. That's Fralich, F-R-A-L-I-C. So that's what I see.

I only know that because I went to school with a kid, and we all mispronounced it and he would always yell at us. No. Interesting. And I know somebody that's Frohman like that. So it's Frohman. So I don't know. So whatever it is. Frohlich or Frohlich. However it goes. It could be Frohlich. And I'm taking

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We also have a Jason Truitz, Truitz, this is a tough one to pronounce. T-R-u-s-e-w-i-c-z don't look at me yeah exactly so that's usually it's at the end so truets trusewitz i'm going to say now all of them except for jason trusewitz there uh were all graduates from the same high school they all graduated from joel barlow high school there in redding uh they were called a susan haig here who's the assistant principal there called called them, quote, good kids. So said they were in several activities, the school theater production. They were in the wilderness survival program. They were into that, which that seems weird for a kid.

I don't know. Unless you live in like the south or something and you're just into the outdoors. Kids from Connecticut. I'm going to be a wilderness survivor in Redding, Connecticut. I had a friend who I just recently found out he was an Eagle Scout. Interesting. And he didn't tell any of us in high school because he didn't want to get paid. I was going to say, in the 90s in high school, that would not have been the plus for you.

To be an Eagle Scout. I was like, where are you going this weekend? He's like, I got shit to do. And I'm like, you don't want to come hang out? And he's like, no, no, I got places to be. You know you would have said what are you blowing your scoutmaster that's what it would have been that would have been the thing

what are you talking about you're going on a boy scout trip you fucking nerd what the hell's going on yeah what are you eight what's do you have cookies you can sell me

meanwhile he's now a pharmacist and makes a boatload of money and the boy scouts helped him none with that I don't think does he tie the pills does he tie the sandwich baggie and a knot on top like a drug dealer when he gives you your pills does he tie the sandwich baggie in a knot on top like a drug dealer when he gives you your pills and he goes i learned that not in the scouts

i don't think that is that's a fucking square knot on your zanac impressive right there you're gonna need scissors to get it that bad blake so enjoy it's to slow you down uh so they were they were not uh they're not known as as good students in high school but they didn't cause any trouble that's what they were they didn't fuck they weren't they were c students you know that sort of thing here uh they uh they'd not gone to college but they were saying they were kind of just finding their way they had jobs they were trying to you know the three of them together if they live in an apartment they can afford the rent uh that sort of thing they were they were trying their best uh the uh freil his father, is a retired mechanical engineer.

And Freilich has seven brothers. Froelich Freilich has seven brothers and sisters, by the way. Jesus, fuck. So he's one of eight. So you know they're a retired mechanical engineer, which could make some good money. But I don't care what you are with eight kids. That's a lot. That engineer was thrilled that he found a woman that would fuck him.

And he fucked her a lot. Yeah, a lot. He's like, we're going to do this would fuck him, and he fucked her a lot. Yeah, a lot. He's like, we're going to do this shit. I can't believe you like me. I'm an engineer. He's one of the 45.7% Catholic where he's like, sorry, we're throwing down. We have a mission to repopulate this motherfucker, and I know it's not valid anymore. That's from thousands, but still, we're going to do it anyway.

That nerd likes pussy. I like him. Yes, he does. Yeah, you can't not like him for that uh his father here said of uh his son uh of his son david he said quote he was not a good student he smoked cigarettes and i often got on him for the wrong reasons but david had more friends than i ever had he was always up and always smiling yeah his dad was a nerd exactly his dad is a nerd he's like why can't you get good grades and he's like because my finger is

in a girl right now that's why it's hard to study while i'm literally there's a girl's hand down my pants that's why one hand is inside a woman and the other one is smoking a cigarette i don't i'm sorry i what do you want me to do you would have you would kill for this dad and you know right the neighbor likes the taste of my dick that's why yeah what the fuck what about that don't you understand and i'm fucking 17 yeah well this is don't care this is yeah i could understand him being like i want you to be go to college he's a mechanical engineer i want you to be smart and go to college and he's like nope no i got this guitar and the cigarette and the girls come running so this is

going to be better so uh september 1st 1994 yeah this is exciting times for these young men here and this is exciting they decide they're going to get an apartment and they all move in together okay so that's that's hot shit when you're 20 21 22 and you're going to get a place with your two buddies no college no college but no no uh you know no, 22 and you're going to get a place with your two buddies. No college. No college, but no parents, no nothing. You all got to go to work and you come home at night and you're going to hang out and you're going to drink beer and you're going to smoke a joint and you're going to play your music and you're going to

have chicks over. And that's what people are trying to do here. I mean, it's the life of a college student minus the college. They just go to work during the day. I'm going to go make money instead of fucking sit and listen to somebody. I've sat and listened to somebody for the past 18 years i didn't like it no and then all the people listening to those people i'll live on their lawn someday and that'll be wonderful for me but for now everything's fun because i'm getting the chicks right so uh these

two these three scott david jason uh they move into this apartment the address here is 166 Portland Avenue. It's in the Georgetown section of Redding, Connecticut. This place, on this property, it was a single-family residence that had been enlarged a little bit. There's some additions that we'll talk about. And it's converted into three different apartments. So that's kind of how they did this. The landlord lived here with his family, and we'll talk about him. And then he ended up moving away and made this into three separate units to rent out.

So try to make it a, you know, generate some cash off of this. An income, right. An income property. There you go. When he lived there for approximately 10 years, now he's going to try to make it an income property here. Yeah, not a bad deal. The first floor of the building was two apartments, and the second floor, the whole second floor, was the third apartment.

Yeah, man. So it's a split thing with a third. Exactly. There was a two-story glass atrium attached to one side of the building and a spiral stairway inside the atrium that provided that the people came up from the ground to get up to the second floor apartment. Beautiful. You got your own entrance. That was their entrance, yeah. And it's fucking luxury.

That's kind of cool, a spiral staircase atrium. In a glass atrium. Yeah, dude, if you're 21. Fucking yeah. And you're bringing, yeah, that's good. Parading fucking. I would have kept that shit so Windexed when I was 21. Oh my God.

That shit would have been so nice. I'd have been like, you like my atrium? I would heat it in the wintertime so that it fogs up just a little bit. Oh yeah. Absolutely. windex when i was 21 that shit would have been so nice and then like you like my atrium i would heat it in the winter time so that it fogs up just a little bit oh yeah absolutely just a little just a little bit it's warm at the top to where it's like i want to be in there looks warm in there it's like a like a mug of hot chocolate up there look at that the frothing right up at the top it's a thing of beauty yeah man i thought about this and I'm like, this is a fucking great thing for these kids. I'm like, this sounds so fun.

This is a this is this is a dream of anybody that didn't go to college. You know, I mean, that's yeah, it's just starting out. This is fun. This is like this is to hang out with your friends and to just have a level of. I know we're over glorifying this because we're because we're wishing we're wishing we both have kids and shit like that so we like we're over glorifying the free like no one's ever asking you for anything we're gonna get very specific about it and shit like no one's has a bedtime and like no one asks you for shit wouldn't it be great to yell at somebody for eating your

cold pizza oh my god grown adult what the fuck then you'd just be like, deliver me a new one now. And that's your biggest problem. That's great. Fucking, fucking, he's a dick, man. No, he eats all my pizza, bro. I fucking order it, man. No, fuck that, man. I went to that Mongolian grill where you just stuff everything in there.

You get as much as you want, so I get leftovers. I brought that shit home. That was like four fucking meals, man. He ate all that shit, man. He ate fucking all. I was was gonna meal prep that bro as a matter of fact he even stole my weed and got that's why he ate it all so fuck him stole my weed and my fucking mongolian grill that's not bad if you're going through that right now and that feels like shit enjoy it it's gonna be fun because that you have no worries your best. It probably is your best day.

Yeah, because here's the thing. I'll get pizza or I'll get whatever I want and bring it home, put it in the fridge, and I wake up the next morning and it's gone. Oh, it's going to be gone. And it was a fucking kid that can't- Oh, yeah, he can't yell at him for it. He can't replace it. No, and he can't replace it. Yeah, he has no responsibility.

He's going to use my credit card. I'm buying it again, you fucker. How's he going to get there? Right. Yeah, he's not going to replace it. And they don't even feel any shame at all. At least this guy, you could maybe shame something. I don't know, man.

I just I feel like, yeah, they had a good time. But honestly, though, maybe that wouldn't be so fun. Now that I think about it, I bet it smells in there. But it smells like balls. Of course it does. It smells like, you know what? Never mind. It's a fraternity minus the other 18 dudes.

Yeah. And it's just and these guys got plenty of room to spread out you they got their leg like in a frat house like they've got their legs closed because there's dudes like lapping it oh yeah i mean big time push up against them here their balls are open oh it's it's a summer time it's not fun it's a ball swinging kind of house right here this is a free ball and house just happening all over the place this is a this here's a free ballin' house. Free ballin' household.

I almost said free basing household. This here's a free basing household. Your free basing ball scent is what you're doing. Oh, that's disgusting. That's tough. No one wants to free base ball scent. So they have this atrium. Also, there is a Lauren Spear.

Her and her five-year-old son live in the front first floor apartment, and the rear first floor apartment is occupied by Freddy Altamirano. That's not that bad. Yes, he's from Costa Rica, as a matter of fact. He's an immigrant. He lives there with three other unknown men. Also, they kind of stuffed themselves into that. Stowaways.ways yeah pretty much

it's uh yeah they're uh the uh freddie altamont altamirano uh his legal status is dubious at best at this point uh immigration wise so uh you can keep that in mind that he is willing to he's willing to go along with a lot of things because he's afraid, basically. Him and three other people live there. The guys, on the other hand, the boys here, they all, Scott, David, and Jason, they slept, they crammed their beds into closets, basically, because the place wasn't that big, and there's three of them. So they crammed, the two of them crammed their beds into the large closets, and then the Trueswits or whatever had been

sleeping on the living room couch, apparently, there. And then their landlord, this place is owned by a guy named Jeffrey Kent Ferguson, who sounds like a big douchebag, as a matter of fact. This is a grown man in his 30s and 40s through this board. Well, no, this is a grown man with a ponytail. Oh, boy. So let's keep that in mind. And it's not a cool ponytail.

He's an older guy, you know, like 40s with long hair just in a ponytail. Vile. Yeah, it's bad stuff. The worst. He's not like a rock star. No. He's not Johnny Depp. He doesn't even put like a face at the fucking...

Nope, he's a handyman. Oh, boy. So he's a ponytailed handyman. That makes sense. That tells you a lot there about this jeffrey kent ferguson they're always up to something those guys with ponytails don't trust especially this ponytail if you saw this guy you'd be like oh jesus christ fuck man he grew up in lower fairfield county uh he was uh he was a boy scout when he was a kid uh this ferguson also uh

he had a couple of uh couple legal problems when he was younger uh he this Ferguson also. He had a couple of legal problems when he was younger. He really was into the scouting, though. He had a ton of merit badges, and he was like Mr. Boy Scout. Working on Eagle. Dude, that's what he was all about. Like I said, he had this focus to get badges. He wanted to develop every skill that the new badge needed uh you to do uh he looked forward to overnight camping trips that sort of thing he was super into being a scout he became

a scout uh and around age 12 is when he joined and he stayed active up until he was about 15 or so okay so that's not maybe three years i i remember kids in school do you remember in elementary school when kids would come to school in the scout uniform? That's just embarrassing. They had it right after school? That's terrible. I remember that. I'd just be like, what a fucking dildo.

What a dildo. You can't put that shit in your mom's back seat. What are you doing? Maybe it was because my parents weren't responsible enough to get me to any kind of meeting on a regular basis, and I was upset about that possibly. But I took it out on that kid and his fucking ascot. Nice ascot. Toughot tough guy like that was fucking my grandfather was a scout master and he was re he is he's just such an outdoorsy dude

he rides horses he's a fucking man's man he can build anything with his hands are all gnarled now from the arthritis well all that kid touching will do that for you i'm just kidding sorry i had to i had to there's very nice people i don't know why he stopped doing it, but he he was he's the epitome of a scoutmaster. I know that he didn't like what the fucking scouts were becoming. Yeah, we're known for a lot of weird politics in the. Well, there's a lot of fucking rumors and facts. There's facts and rumors and cover ups. And then there's also religions that came in and tried to take it over.

There's a lot of problems. He's one of the jamborees and all that shit oh boy so good at what he did zippity fucking do that going to the jamboree build a tp motherfuckers why don't they just have like cookies i don't get that one or brownies then sell some brownies and one selling cookies what's going on boy scouts get your shit together what do you think it's not manly enough? Guess what? Those girls will buy you and sell you a hundred times over, so I don't give a shit what you think is manly.

Make some fucking cookies. Yeah, they're clearly cleaning up a lot better than you boys are. Dude, they have contracts with major, all the ice cream makers have all the different flavors, ice cream. That's a huge business, man. That's a huge industry. Those kids should be pulling up. When they sell out in front's a huge industry those kids should be pulling up when they sell out in front of the grocery store they should be pulling up in like a big escalade

limo with they should give them the green one you know mary k gives them the fucking pink that's exactly right mint mint green there you go thin mint green they call it it's a new color just for that thin mint green jeep pulling up in a thin mint green jeep that would be perfect man it's all fucking true it's green just with blue with a dark dark chocolate brown on the top and bottoms of the car though around the bottom and around the top that's what you do right there oh my god girl scouts of america painted on the fucking hood they're in the samoa mobile. Look at that. Wow. That's a cool one.

They all come out with lays on and shit. It's Team Samoa. I only want the shortbread. The trefoil truck is the only one I'm interested in. Those are the ones you want? Love those things. You're out of your mind. The shortbread ones, and I like a Thin Mint. I'll take a Thin Mint.

The new s'mores cookie. I haven't had that. It's a fucking sandwich, and it is absurd how good like a tag along yeah tag along is that the peanut butter one that's yeah but it's not the sandwich that's made up from two brillo pads and some dry peanut butter it's not that one two triscuits and some peanut butter it's the the chocolate one with a little chip with the end with the little indent right i love the little the little it's like a handle So good. In the middle, it's just a little reservoir of peanut butter. Oh, okay.

It's dug out. Oh, fuck, they're good. The Samoa is the most perfect cookie that's ever been made. Yeah, yeah, you don't like coconut. I can't eat coconut. But that thing is legit. People love those fucking things. The caramel...

I wish I liked it. The coconut sticks to the caramel so perfectly. It's amazing. I would like more caramel in your cookies, Girl Scouts, if there's anything. And dark chocolate? Fuck out of here. It's amazing. I would like more caramel in your cookies, Girl Scouts, if there's anything. And dark chocolate? Fuck out of here. That's amazing. Now I want devil dogs and ring dings, and I want coffee cakes, because I heard they're

back now from Drake's. Coffee cakes, which I've been craving for years, and I want coffee. Drake's, if you can hear me, I love everything you sent me. Thank you very much. I'd like some coffee cakes, please. I'll talk about them incessantly. This is what happens when we record after dinner. Yes, this is what happens.

Now I want dessert. Now I want cookies and fucking devil talk. I have crunch berries, man. You know what I mean? You know, that's eating at my mind right now. So one man here, this guy here, we're going to hear about him. We hear about this guy. He'll have a bunch of things to say, and they all are different, which is funny.

He's an old man. He's like an 82-year-old man at this point 70 something year old man uh samuel uh lipofsky uh here he remembers that uh jeffrey would call uh this lipofsky samuel and ask him for rides to his troop meetings because he was a scout master that lived around there uh this man the samuel says quote i was his scout master i got along real good with him. He said he was a very good scout. This guy lives across the street from Ferguson's mother. Oh, okay, I got you.

He grew up across the street from this guy here. When he took off, I guess they said he was normal when he would be outside of the Boy Scouts. He wasn't a weirdo. He wasn't like, he didn't just sit in his room. He didn't go sit in the woods by himself and try to burn ants with a magnifying glass. Plan the next outing with young boys.

He'd go out with the other kids in the neighborhood and, you know, just like everybody else did back then. He was born in 1951. So late 50s, early 60s, they just send your kids outside. They ride their bikes. They play baseball. They do shit. They come home unraped, usually.

There it is. More often than not. Unless they went to church. Unlike now. Unless they went to church. Which the funny part is, that's safe. Right. Because they were like, we'll send them to church.

Yeah, that way he stays out of trouble. But that's not, stays out of the wrong kind of trouble. Right. So his scoutmaster here said he quote he got along with the other kids real well and he had many friends who were scouts and not scouts too so it's everybody said he was very normal uh he i guess this street was a very wide street that he grew up on and so this was like where all the kids from all the other neighborhoods would come to play because it was a really wide street. This Jeffrey Ferguson had three brothers,

and they would always be playing. Their family's front yard and the street in front of it was kind of like the central. You know, there's always whoever's front yard is like the central base that everybody gathers at. The most fun one. Yeah. Or the coolest parents, one of the two. I was going to say, if they had some juice boxes

that they throw out to, who wants some Capri Suns? Ooh, we're hanging out in your yard from now on. My mom doesn't have a shit in there. The Samuel Lepofsky said, quote, he was out there playing ball all the time. I always found him to be no different than any of the other kids in the neighborhood. He was a very polite young man from my experience with him. Keep that in mind. He was out there playing ball.

I always found him to be no different than the other kids. He was a very polite young man and all the other kids liked him and he was out there playing ball. I always found him to be no different than the other kids. He was a very polite young man, and all the other kids liked him, and he was fine. Got it. Remember that for later, because he has a completely different statement later, where you're like, did you get hit in the fucking head? I realize you're like 80, but did you go senile overnight and just change who you are? Did you forget what you said about this man? That's literally what it is.

I think you are mistaken. Do you want to go back to your notes? Do you want what you said about this man? That's literally what it is. I think you are mistaken. Do you want to go back to your notes? Do you want to go back? Are you sure you're talking about the same kid, sir? Yeah, like if there's a detective on the stand and he brings up a name of a person who's not in the case and you're like, Detective, I think maybe you're talking about the wrong case. And he goes, oh, yes, I'm sorry. Geez, I'm on the wrong page.

Page four. Yeah, okay, this guy. Yeah, he's a scumbag. So there was no rape in this case. What are you talking about yeah this is a this is just a boundary dispute between a company and a residential area on where the fence should go there's a i don't believe rape has ever been did anybody rape anyone in this no i think you're out of line and that's when he broke in and raped her i think you're out of line detective i really do i did nothing of the sort I did nothing of the sort.

I did nothing of the sort. Rape the old lady over a boundary. This is a hearing about us, like a corporate it's a corporation commission hearing. His license is expired. That's all we're talking about. What you're saying, this is really weird. Very strange. This is really out of hand. What you're talking about, exactly.

This is a dispute with the homeowners association. Have you been drinking about, exactly. It's a dispute with the Homeowners Association. Officer, have you been drinking? The color of his flowers. Officer, does that scotch I smell on your breath? Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. All right, that explains it.

Now everything's fine. That explains it. Now I'm okay, now that I know. So this Ferguson here, this fella here,, his next door neighbor, Dorothy Wood, who lived there forever, said the whole family was very quiet, generally kept to themselves. The kids were normal. Everything's fine. The worst people.

Exactly. The worst. The worst. But I mean, the people you need to fear. Yeah. So he grew up in a nice suburb, nice area with four brothers and sisters and a big wide drive, big wide road and everybody playing and Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts and all that horse shit. He did have a little trouble with the law, this Jeffrey Ferguson.

16 years old is his first brush with the law. It is Halloween 1966. And him and a 15-year-old pal were at the Staples High School on North Avenue. They got there before dawn. were at the Staples High School on North Avenue. They got there before dawn. And before them, what they did here, in white capital letters, they have a sign out front that says Staples High School, Westport, Connecticut.

Connecticut abbreviated, C-O-N-N. And it's in white capital letters and a dark background. Underneath, it's a smaller sign, and says gift, a gift of the class of 1966. At that point, your gift, senior gift. Right. These boys, apparently this Jeffrey and another boy tore both signs down and just completely destroyed the lumber that made them just chopped them all up and left them in a pile of wood at the front. Boys. That's what boys will be boys.

Now that is in 1966. Boys, they were pissed though back then uh they also said that they came around and found uh uh 1969 spray painted on the side of the auditorium for some reason here i guess graduating class or something yeah 1969 here uh over there uh so that's what the police found three days later the uh the the newspaper the westport town crier called this vandalism quote the meanest trick of its kind in years oh for pete's sake you know you know that you are in a fucking small town when they call destroying a wooden sign that they just put up and some paint on the side of an auditorium, the meanest trick of its kind in years.

In years. It's not like it's like 1975 and they're painting 69 all over the place. They're literally painting the year that it is. That's it. One of the seniors from that class, 1966, wrote a letter to the newspaper and termed the vandalism quote a malicious contemptible deed done by some inconsiderate child somebody was super proud of their wood fucking sign a high school senior said that that sounds like the prosecutor for any any district attorney across

the land is what that sounds like some malicious contemptible deed that sounds like some horrible crime that sounds like most of the crimes we cover lately hurt a child yeah or or very or you there's a hot sauce bottle or a shovel handle or what we had last week and jesus which was probably worse than all of that maybe so maybe so it's it's just the overreaction to things like that in small towns when they haven't seen like really awful things. I mean, it's shitty. It's stupid. The kid's an idiot.

Make him fucking pay for it. Work it off. Whatever it is. It's the 60s. I don't know. But yeah, they're acting like they're literally acting like it was the last tree. He burned the library to the ground, you know, so no one could have any books. It's like, yeah, cut the last tree down and did something terrible i

think somebody made that same statement about eric harrison dylan klebold at fucking yeah columbine that's more of them that's a meaner trick that's a terrible deed yeah that's the meanest trick of its kind in years they they they updated there in 1999 uh this town updated. We have an update, editorial. Correction. Second meanest trick in years. Second meanest. 33 years ago, we called something the meanest trick of its kind in years. We'd like to correct that. Also, not as malicious, contemptible, or inconsiderate as we had previously thought.

On second visit. On second thought, this Jeffrey Ferguson's arrested on November 3rd, 1966 and charged with willful destruction of public property. You dirtbag, you contemptible dirtbag. They also accused him of stealing a 17-year-old classmate's car from the high school parking lot on the day of the vandalism. That's just hilarious. That's on the other hand, I don't think that's a different story at that point. Now you're dealing with Grand Theft Auto. The friend also that he brought, the 15-year-old, was also charged in the vandalism.

At this point, the records show that Ferguson pleaded guilty later on. We don't know the resolution of this because he was a minor. Later on, he pleaded guilty, though, to a motor vehicle theft and a criminal mischief. But I don't think it was this one. It's a confusing record from 40 years ago. So he's stealing all kind of cars. He's stealing shit. He's doing dumb thing.

Dumb things. He receives a 60 day suspended sentence for both the crimes and was placed on a year's probation at some point for a vandalism charge that he had. A year later, he ends up serving 30 days in jail for violating the probation uh probably there was a ponytail clause in it somewhere i'm assuming and he said i will not adhere to your ponytail clause i'm sorry i could just see that we're not gonna take it uh his 71 high school yearbook photograph. He's 20 years old and still in high school for some fucking reason, number one.

What happened? He's a monster. Yeah. Remember the kids who were 20 and 21? You're like, what the hell is he still doing here? I knew a dude that was 19. He can buy beer. Yeah. Yeah.

I knew a dude that was 19 and we looked down on that fuck. I knew a kid that was 21. Get out of here. He was 21 years old the only ones that were that age at our school had down syndrome no this kid had this kid was like a special case he was this really dumb italian kid too it was funny he had a car with a hole in the back seat on the floor and he'd be like if you got to take a leak just do it just lift up the floor matt do it right out right out the floor but watch out for pebbles you know what i mean

crack up laughing and i'm like i'm not pissing out of the floor of your car. We had a kid named... Hovering over the floor of your car. But he had some family issues, and I think he had a head injury for a while or something, so they let him come back to school and shit. But he was funny as fuck to hang out with, because he was pretty much... We just had one named Marco, who was just dumb. He was a dummy.

He was funny. He was fun to be around. But he was from New York, and we didn't have anybody from New York at our school because it was way the fuck out here. So he talked funny to us. And we would always make fun. We called him Adidas sneakers because that's how he – he legitimately called them Adidas sneakers. Yeah, sneakers. And at 17, I couldn't take it.

I'd die laughing any time anytime you tell me about what borough he was from no i don't i tell you i would assume the bronx or some shit like that yeah that's more man well never mind but there's a lot there i'd have to call him but you're gonna give him a ring look at his number jimmy let's keep in touch his dad's name was enzo like legit from from italy and i know people named enzo calm down and marco was the epitome of just a guinea from new york and i didn't i didn't understand it then if i'd have known it if i'd have met him today we'd be best of friends and i laugh at the time that's the thing yeah you can you can just be like you're ridiculous you're a caricature you know that and now looking back

listen to james you can beat it you can beat it now it's all too obvious why he was there when he was 19 because he was a dummy he was dumb yeah this kid had some brain damage so he used to hang out with him and he'd just start driving he would just like turn his car and bash into garbage cans with his car and laugh at the top of the like a psychopath like robert de niro in cape fear you're like what are you? He had like a 74 Duster with a hole in the floor that he pissed out of. I don't think he cared about that. So interesting. So 20 years old.

So he had a mustache, too. He had one of those sideburn into the mustache, but not beard combo. In his high school photo. He's 20, for Christ's sake. Good Lord. And he had long hair back then also, which he never cut. He ends up just ponytailing later on. He didn't have a lot of extracurriculars in school or anything like that.

He lived at home after he graduated. He was a laborer. He's kind of like these kids. He was a laborer. He did small jobs. And that's kind of how he progresses as he ends up being a family man. A family man. A handyman is his business.

He got a van at some point from working in small jobs oh well any weirdo creeps got to have a van back then i hope he put carpeting in the back and on the walls a waterbed maybe something like that back then now when did the van turn from like holy shit this is when a dude at some point in the 70s a dude would roll up in a new van, pop open the back and it would be like a living room in there. And people be like, you're going to get so fucking many chicks in here. Oh, my God. They're going to be hanging off this thing.

At one point, at some point, it went from that to, oh, my God, there's a guy in a van. He's so creepy. He's going to kidnap me and rape me and kill me in that van and throw me in the woods. When did that happen? It was shortly after. It was shortly after murderers found those vans and were like, I can totally kill bitches back here. But most of these serial killers had Volkswagen Bugs, though.

That's a good point. Nobody classifies that, but a van. Vans are more for molesters, which makes people, I feel like people like molesters less than murderers. Maybe, because you've got to live with that shit eventually. You get murdered, it's all over. It's all over. Nothing more to revisit at that point here.

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They don't have that accent. My mom said, do you know how much the mortgage is here? She's not going to buy us balloons. Yeah, so we're filling plastic bags with water and throwing them at cars, which is never a wise decision. And they're more expensive than water balloons, mom. Oh, absolutely. Plastic block bags are expensive as fuck.

It's always a bad idea. We threw snowballs at a car one time, and the man tried to murder us when I was a child. We were like nine, and he chased us into the woods. And we ran for our lives. Yeah. Yeah. We just, we threw no rocks or anything like that. We were little kids.

They were just snowballs. Yeah. And this dude said, stopped, unscreeched, skidded out to the side, got out, and fucking ran into the woods after us like a maniac.

I would lose my mind. He leaped over a snowbank like a fucking crazy person. Were you running, screaming, it was just snow. Like I had Lawrence Taylor chasing me.

That's what it felt like. And we just both ran and we split up and met up back up. We had contingency plans, me and my cousin. My cousin Jesse and I had contingency plans, me and my cousin. My cousin Jesse and I had contingency plans. We were always scamming somebody.

But we met up back at my grandmother's house. But it was scary. Scary stuff. We pissed in bags and threw them at the Dort kid's house. That's worse. Yeah, the kid's house was directly across the street from ours. Oh, that's very tough on the poor boy. He could see us running back inside. That's hey who threw that never mind yeah you're gonna get the cops called on that

point and the cops were like what's in this bag and i was like i think it's apple juice and he was like he just stared at me and i was like that's pissed that's that's that's pissed i think it's apple juice it's sunny delight trust me it's the best he just looked at me i'm like it's pissed and then he's like what do you want me to do officer you want me to lie to you more do you want me to try to find more did you smell said liquid by any chance have you taken a whiff of their front door listen officer it's unmistakable to be apple juice undeniable that's piss i know piss when i smell it and that's some piss right there, officer. Unbelievable. Holy shit.

So this is two-year-olds, or two-year-olds, two 12-year-olds, not 12 two-year-olds, are hitting the van with plastic bags filled with water. First of all, there's two 12-year-olds. How many plastic bags are they really hitting you with? Two. It's not a lot. You got two hands each. So this Ferguson, rather than laughing or going, you little bastards cut it out uh he leaps

from the car jumps out and pursues the boys uh catches one of them i'm so glad this didn't happen to us uh catches one of them and beats him oh my god he pummels a 12 year old boy uh even in the head to the point where it permanently injured the boy's ear. Jesus. This is fucking crazy. Then he got back in his van and fucking drove away. Wow. So that's crazy.

You beat a child in the street and then jumped in your van and drove away. Back then, it was a different time. If you don't beat your kids, I'll beat them for you. Well, I feel like this is 1981. If it was 1961, the mother would have came out as she picked her bloody child up she'd have waved and went thanks yeah thanks for beating him good he's been cutting up today thanks thank you come on you little bastard and she dragged him in by his pant leg hell's gotten into him scraping him on the gravel as he go well get up then if you don't like being scraped on the gravel okay sniffling and shit but yeah not here though uh so he he beats beats these kids

the child's mother instead takes the tag number down on the van and gives that to the police department who charge ferguson here with third degree assault and risk of injury to minor to a minor which is a felony oh uh so that's that's that's a big deal at this point well you you can't i'm sorry if they threw a hand grenade at your car that'd be one thing punishment crime yeah they could have hurt you if they threw a rock through your windshield as you're driving and you skid it off to the side of the road i could see you snapping your eye it's a bag of water you can't jump out and that's not proportional to pummeling a 12 year old in the fucking head so it's insane he ends up pleading guilty as

obviously he i think knew the same thing right plus those that that was a felony that probably carried if you go to trial that probably carried some some time to it instead he pleads guilty on two misdemeanor assault counts which is not bad for pummeling a 12 year old he got a suspended six months jail sentence and two years probation wow that's almost worth punching a 12 year old i'm like i'd consider it if you're worth punching a 12 year old. I might, I'd consider it. If you're mad at a 12 year old and you go, I don't really have it.

Fuck. I can level this kid and really get nothing for it. That's not bad. I can do two, two years probation stand on my head. The problem is there's a lot of shit had 12 year olds. I feel like if people knew that you could get that little time for pummeling some strangers,

12 year old in the street, I feel like there'd be a lot more 12 year old beatings, just strangers. Just I'm going to fuck that kid up. So probably this is good that this flew under the radar. Also, he had several other arrests that we don't know. There's just we have record of arrests, but they're sealed because the charges were either dismissed or ultimately not prosecuted. I wonder if he didn't know that it was a water

bag you know because i've hit all right yeah that's true he might have heard boom right and and back then those vehicles are all oh they're all still you hit that with water bottle it you hit the side of one of those with a spitball it's gonna sound like you're under fire from the artillery i hit a new vehicle in traffic because this fucker almost hit me so i pulled up next to him and just hucked a water bottle that was half full out the fucking door and it smashed into the side of his car he pulled over because he thought i just i don't know fucking shot him shot at him or threw a brick at his car or something so he pulled over i just kept going um and i got on the freeway and then really classy off. But a water bag on the side of one of those things had to...

And he's inside it. You know what I mean? It's a tube of fucking echo. Once you get out and you see that they're children and they probably had more water bags, you probably don't go, I'm going to kick this kid's ass in the street. He's like, I'm getting the fat one. He looks like he's not as fast as the other. Everyone who's sick gazelles falls down is really he's getting beaten beaten the ear which is fucking crazy man uh so

this i'll remember uh samuel lipofsky the uh guy across the street who drove him to scout meetings here he said quote we never had a problem with him jeff got along with everybody once again he was like i do not know what you're talking about he ends up getting married here he finds a woman who will put up with his bullshit uh good for him i guess i'm having kids he finds kiri elizabeth o'toole kiri k-e-r-i-e kiri i guess elizabeth o'toole uh how white trash i am my My sister's stepsister. Not my stepsister. That's awesome. No blood relation. My sister's stepsister.

My sister's stepsister. I think I could marry her legally. I think I can. Her name's Kiri. And not just mine. So Jimmy's future wife, Kiri, his sister's stepsister's second cousin. How much of a degenerate am I? Holy shit.

Well, you're going to get a big, I think your wedding present will be a very nice double white. I think you should do it, though. It'll be excellent. We'll just fucking join ours at the middle. We'll just stitch our houses together. That'd be wonderful. That's probably where double whites came from, right?

What if, hold on, hear me out now. Now, look. No, I know, I know i know i know but if you take listen god i know you don't want to take no wall if we just get a can opener right and we take off the outside we push them together we got twice as much trailer we'll get that zipper guy to just zip them together if we can zip a wall a wall on we can zip one right off why not and put another one back on what do you say here go. We'll take the wall off. We'll save it.

Right. We'll save it. Just in case. And we'll just use it in case we need it later. And then we can slap it back on. But I think it's going to work. What we can do is take those walls and staple those together and make a driveway. And then we can just park on the wall.

Or a carport. There you go. And we'll put it up. We can fold it and bend it and shit. That way in case it rains, you know. We'll build like a big We can fold it and bend it and shit. That way in case it rains, you know. We'll build like a big tunnel of love for our cars. We gonna make out in there.

Jimmy's gonna make out with his sister's stepsister in there, baby. That's all I know. Bring it home, baby. That's the most fucking depressing fact of ever. That is. That's pretty fucking. My sister has a stepsister that's not related to me. That's fucking awesome. So this Kiri, no relation to Jimmy, graduated from Weston High School in 1972.

They're married on December 29th, 1984. And they lived at 166 Portland Avenue in Georgetown, Georgetown section of Reading, as you might sound familiar. It's the same address the boys lived in. They moved into this house. They lived there until 1993 when Ferguson, Jeffrey and his wife, Kiri, and their now two year old daughter. They end up moving away from here to Powell's Point, North Carolina, who is which is a small town down there. And a woman named Dora Newbern knew her down is a small town down there. And a woman named Dora Newburn knew her down there, knew them down there.

She said that Jeffrey worked as a handyman. His wife worked as a special education teacher in nearby, wow, Pasquotank County. Sounds right to me. Not bad. They said that the Fergusons lived in one of the better neighborhoods in Powell's Point, where houses sell for about $120,000 back in the 90s, which in North Carolina in the 90s was a lot. Yeah, my father moved to North Carolina for a couple years like in 2000-ish. And for $120,000, you could get like a really nice house down there. It was like cheap as shit.

So they're down there. They live down there. His wife's a special education teacher she's a nice lady he's a he's a handyman down there uh so we'll go back to these boys here uh the father the jack frolic or fralick who's the mechanical engineer father of the uh one of the boys who lives there he said that the boys moved in on september 1st and jeffrey ferguson told them that if they caused any difficulties he would come back to the house from north carolina and he would be armed

is what he told them uh the father said that he repeated this threat on more than one occasion jesus so before they've even done anything he didn't say you're fucking up my house he said if we have any difficulties i will get my gun and come up here from north carolina which is a very very micromanaging part it's a micromanaging landlord right there imagine if he had multiple properties all he'd be doing is driving around the country with his gun in his car god damn it again fuck he'd be like wyatt erp just going from town to town specific about which problems uh result in gunplay anything he's any of them he said quote any difficulties mr ferguson but listen let's say is it difficult answer is car plus gun plus equals i'm in your driveway that's it difficulty what if let's say loud music gun gun. Gun. Hole in the drywall.

Gun. Backstep loose. Gun. But what if see, see, they, they like repaint the walls. Gun. Eggshell is fine. Flat paint. I don't care.

You're going to live with it. No, I will not have a sheen on my wall. What if you show up and to pay rent and you show up and the smoke detectors have a dead battery in them oh gone gone done definitely a gun yeah i'm gonna get it i'm gonna bring two guns for that one because you can fix that no no no god that's a gun i'm sorry if it's a difficulty it's gonna be a gun any gun play if you order a pizza and the guy can't find the place i'm coming up with my gun that's what i'm telling you right now i think we're on the same page okay good now we all know so the father thought that was a bit much yeah he said the son told him that and he was

like jesus that guy must really care he really cares about his property this guy is something else he's allowing 21 year olds to live here what the fuck is wrong that's what i mean and they're not like they didn't come in with khakis on and polo shirts and just like we're here from yale for the summer like that wasn't what happened one's got like a sun sun's out guns out t-shirt yeah those were an acdc shirt yeah like then the fun one's got the who farted shirt yeah and he's renting a house to these kids there's like a base on the couch you know what i mean they're eating ramen every single night this is a ramen household they're like ramen or mac and cheese tonight he's like hold on let me think about it they are counting change for gas money and this motherfuckers renting them a house renting them a house and threatening them with gunplay if

anything goes should go awry in this home anything no there's no he didn't specify no specifics no bullshit no fucking look if i come here and you do no just any difficulty at all if i have to be here there will be gunplay well let's find out if he's serious about this what do you think about that so ferguson like we've said before about he's made violent threats he's done some crazy shit in the past this is not something you'd put past them but these people who moved in don't know that the frolics or frailics there they don't know what they say he just probably sounds like a nut they're probably like yeah he's gonna come back with his gun whatever don't know that. The Froelichs or Freelichs there, they don't know. He just probably sounds like a nut and they're probably like, yeah, he's going to come back with his gun, whatever.

Don't burn the place down, kid. Did you hear what that motherfucker said? Yeah, let's not. He's going to bring a gun. He's out of his mind. Come on, man. That's crazy. This is a beautiful town in Connecticut.

Did you hear the crime rate here? He's not bringing shit. So 1991, let's go back to, there was a Richard Barry Marshall. He was a tenant of Ferguson's. Now, at one point, Marshall had been late in paying the rent. So this guy, this Ferguson comes to the apartment and demands payment for the rent, which that's reasonable. This Marshall guy told the defendant that he had certain rights as a tenant, including the right to make a payment up until the 10th of each month. That's the law there.

So this guy knows his rights. Ferguson, though, isn't so concerned about his rights as much as he's concerned with getting his money. So Marshall also tells Ferguson that if Ferguson because Ferguson threatens to lock him out of the apartment, he goes, I'll just lock you out of your apartment. He says, well, if you lock me out of my apartment, I have the right to reenter it. And, you know know because i have rights yeah he's been laid on rent before renter research is his favorite yeah he's he's had some issues in

the past anybody who can whip renter laws out like nobody's business has had some issues in the past that they've had to deal with to not get kicked out of somewhere i don't know what it is i just know that they can come with this the and be like, get the fuck out. Yeah, but there's a lot of steps to go through before that. And he's saying you've gone through none of these steps. According to this Richard Barry Marshall, Ferguson said, OK, well, you told me something. I said I wanted money. Reasonable.

You said I have legally till the 10th. Also reasonable. I'll set a lie. I said I'll lock you out. A little less reasonable. You said you can come back in. That's the law. So Ferguson answers that. He's like, OK, I'm out of legal things to little less reasonable. You said you can come back in. That's the law. So Ferguson answers that.

He's like, okay, I'm out of legal things to say to you. So how about this? Well, if you move back in, I'll break your fucking legs. That's what he tells him. He's like, now we're past the point of rights and laws and things like that. Well, yeah, that's not going to get him to move out. Try moving with broken legs. It's not easy.

Now he's stuck in your house. Yeah, now you're going to have to shove him down the stairs on a toboggan. There you go. How do you like that? Yeah, he's not going to move very quickly and he's not going to get you your money. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of a fuck? He's going where to get you. This guy would make a shit loan shark.

You know what I'm saying? He owes us a ton. Break both his fucking legs. That's what it seems like. He's seen a movie or two and is like, I heard they break people's legs. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm going to tell somebody. Yeah, they'll start out with things that won legs. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm going to tell somebody.

Yeah, they'll start out with things that won't keep you from earning. That's the point. Otherwise, it's like, well, how's he going to pay us back with broken legs? And so this guy, though, he's going to break his fucking legs. Marshall then ended up, he left town for a few days, and he comes back to the apartment to find that all of his belongings had been removed from the apartment and left on the porch of the apartment. So he's been gone for three days. He has no idea how long stuff's been outside sitting on the porch.

Got evicted like a high school kid. Yeah, he got evicted like a thief in the night here. He got evicted like Dookie from The Wire where he just comes home and he's like, oh, not again. And everybody's shit is just out in the middle of the street because the landlord kicked him out damn so uh he had he had a dookie moment here he gets out he goes uh he finds everything there also ferguson changed the locks too so he just evicted him you can't even move your shit back in now yeah but it's fucking

nuts man yeah you can't even you can't follow through on your plan of going right back in there like you promised. So what he does is, Marshall, he tells this Ferguson here that he's going to call the police to get back in his apartment because he has a right to. So, again, reasonable. And Ferguson, again, another – this Ferguson's a reasonable guy. I will say that about him. Besides his hairstyle, very reasonable, level-headed man. This guy says,

okay, fine, here's my reasoned response to your reasoned response. Quote, call the cops, I'll go get my gun and go out in a blaze of glory.

Oh my, what? So, that is his threat. If you don't leave, I'm going to shoot at the cops. This is for late, this isn't for like,

he owed six months and he was holed up in there and he wouldn't come out and he finally. Two weeks late. He was not even. He was this guy saying I have till the 10th and he's saying, oh, no, this is all going on pre 10th. This isn't like he's not even given the 10 day grace. No, that's not even giving him that. And he says, I will go out in a blaze of glory over a 10-day grace period, which is completely nuts. I don't even know.

I'll kill you, and then I'll shoot it out with the police. With the police over whatever you owe me. You owe me money that you're going to give me in three days, and you don't have it now. Just charge him a fucking late fee and move on. Charge him a late fee, move on. That would be the greatest, because you're making more money. Or start eviction proceedings against him, and then in a couple months you can kick him out. That would be the greatest because you're making more money. Or start eviction proceedings against him and then in a couple months

you can kick him out. That's fine. But you know, I'm going to go out in a blaze of glory. We've heard a lot about people going out in blazes of glory in this show

and trying to go out in a blaze of glory. And these are all people who have like killed three people. They just cut their child's head off and placed it on the mantle and then set their wife's body on fire you know placed it on the mantle and then set their wife's body on fire and then they're going to have a they're none of the you don't have to

go out in a blaze of glory because this guy owes you three hundred dollars and all those people are probably three months behind in rent that's fucking nuts yeah this this is crazy time fucking crazy time so it's at this point that marshall just gives up this barry marshall richard barry marshall just gives up and he's like fuck it never mind yeah like i i'm not gonna what are we gonna cause a shootout over he has all his stuff so he's like fuck it i'll just find a place to to go and he left so you that wasn't the only tenant that's ever had a problem yeah with mr ferguson unfortunately this ferguson man he uh drives a hard fucking bargain huh well i don't know if he drives a hard bargain but he enforces a bargain like nobody's business

we'll say that much here uh there's another guy named troy harvey in 1993 this is right before the three boys moved in uh this troy harvey uh in july of 1993 like i said a couple two months before everybody moved in here harvey was late paying the rent not like I said, a couple of two months before everybody moved in here. Harvey was late to paying the rent. Not like I said, this isn't three months late. This is like you don't have it on the first late. So Ferguson calls this guy. He calls Harvey and demands payment tomorrow.

He thinks he's a mobster. He really thinks he's a mobster. And this guy owes some vig for this week and he's not paying it, but he's still trying to bet on the Boston College game. Like, that's how I feel like he's treating this fucking guy. Meanwhile, he's two days late on his rent, which is probably $400 or something in 1991. Who the hell? Nowadays, it would be very expensive, as we talked about in the real estate report. This is a very average situation that happens daily in America.

Probably literally a million times a day right fucking now on the sixth or seventh of every month there's a lot of people saying hey got that rent money and none of them are like i will go out in a blaze of glory i will take law enforcement down with me and die by their gun that's insanity so anyway uh he's late here this guy's demanding payment by the next day uh ferguson then tells this harvey guy that if the payment was not made that ferguson was going to go to the apartment remove all of this man's belongings and board up the place with plywood so he can't so he can't get in he's got a strategy he's got a strategy do you have the money no okay i'm gonna take all your shit outside and board everything up with plywood and change

the locks. Everything out. Everything out immediately. Oh, yeah? And then the next step from that is blaze of glory. He goes, do you have it? Plywood, blaze of glory. Like fucking boom, boom, boom.

Very quickly, very quick progression with this man. There's not a lot between, hey, it's like two days late. Do you have it? Right. And that, and he's having a shootout not a lot between hey it's like two days late do you have it right and that and he's having a shootout with the police to the death there's really not a lot of steps in between that not enough anyway i don't feel even the dude in la like the dude from uh from the big lebowski yeah even his fucking landlord roommate guy it would come by do you have the rent yeah far out man i'll get it there you go that's how it should

go it shouldn't be if you don't have your money right now it's moving day well even kingpin right woody harrelson had to do to pay the rent but he was like months late right he was like months late box of an ugly lady it happens and paul simon plays as you throw up it happens sometimes so yeah this poor bastard here this harvey what are you even thinking here he's going to board up the house so harvey tells him this sounds familiar i have rights as a as a tenant and if you carry this if you evict me and put all my shit outside i will ask police for assistance in re-entering and so ferguson again are you expecting a real this has worked in the past to tell them to say i don't

give a fuck so why not go for it again he takes it a step further this time he doesn't use euphemisms such as just going out in a blaze of glory with his gun which could be interpreted he could say i didn't mean i was gonna have a shootout with people i just meant that i like young guns and john bon jovi and i like when they they put his song on the soundtrack of their movie. It makes me very happy. I like when they put a guy that sings, like, 1992 music over 1812 fucking activities. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, I think, Young Guns 2.

I think they were getting desperate at that point for that. Still pretty ridiculous. Yeah, you know, couldn't see that in Tombstone. No! Just start jamming some David Lee lee roth post van halen snake as it must be just like like what the fuck is going on why is this happening why are they playing panama over wyatt's revenge i don't think this is right i think the sound editor fucked up. That would be an amazing YouTube video. Somebody out there, re-edit the Wyatt Earp getting revenge scene, the whole montage. With just Panama. With Panama.

If you line that up right, I will shit myself. You get an extra shout out. That would be amazing. You get a shout out at the top of the show for that. Oh my God. That would be incredible. And it's not that hard either. I could probably do it, but I'm just too lazy to do is own the dvd that's it and rip

it and take the sound and strip it you know what to do if you can do that if you have the ability to do that you know what to do so do it and that would be awesome post it and it'll make us really really happy at murder small on twitter post i will giggle for at least i think it's a two minute i think it's a two-minute montage. It's a long one. It's fucking long. It might be longer than that. The actual event took like...

I think he took a two, three-week vacation and he rode fucking everywhere. That's what I mean. Hunting these fuckers down. So Panama would... It's a long song. It would stretch. He probably went to Panama.

He probably went. You think that's what he was singing in his head while he was doing it? Probably. Just the horse... Wyatt Earp or Kurt Russell? Wyatt Earp. Wyatt Earp himself. Wyatt Earp probably was humming...

He was humming a jazzy tune. Kurt Russell was just fucking... I don't... That guy seems so cool. I want to hang out with him so bad. That's fucking wonderful. Him and goldie hawn were filming a movie and they stopped into some town oh yeah i read that with uh with uh quentin tarantino yeah they're just nice they just went inside and hung out with people everybody likes

kurt russell i want to hang out with him yeah who doesn't apart from his apart from quentin tarantino's uh rape apologies yeah apart from, I kind of want to meet him, too. Well, he's made a lot of good movies anyway. I mean, there's that. But Kurt Russell, he's... That guy's awesome. He's beyond reproach. Nobody's ever made a damn accusation about Kurt Russell. Yet.

So at this point, Ferguson tells this Harvey guy that if that's what he does, if you want to call the cops to help you reenter, that's fine. Right. Do that. But if you do, I will, quote, blow reenter, that's fine. Do that. But if you do, I will, quote, blow your head off with a shotgun. Oh, boy. So there's that. That's the phone.

So you make that phone call, and I'm going to clean it. Feel free. You can use my phone if you'd like to use it. I mean, feel free. But I will blow your head off with a shotgun pretty much immediately after that. Then I will go out in a blaze of glory as previously stated uh two years ago that's still on the table blaze of glory is always on the table and then i take it up from there and down and back and across and take everything that's in your cranium off of your

shoulders and then blaze of glory always end it with blaze of glory always always shooting the cops so this harvey sent his rental payment by express delivery the next day so you fucking fedex that shit fast the next day he's like you got it pal blow your head off which that's a threat right there i mean that's yeah that's nothing feels to shake a stick at feels very police involvement uh ability i would say to get yeah you'd want to let's take a look he needed google that's what let's take a peek shall we it's one of those needed google oh so bad guy to figure this out is this illegal yeah oh wow look at the renter renter laws connecticut holy shit this

wow i didn't know he does have 10 days wow i had hey look i apologize for all that blaze of glory stuff i told you earlier but i thought you were pulling that out of your ass i just googled it i know it's really cool it's brand new i just googled it turns out you're right i'm sorry see the's brand new. I just Googled it. Turns out you're right. I'm sorry. See, the internet would save so many arguments. Obviously, there's the old thing of every bar argument of who had more home runs in 1956 could be solved in two seconds with Google. But this could be solved, too.

This is court records? You can't get that. This whole thing could just be about he didn't know the laws. And he was like, how dare this guy try to tell me some bullshit 10-day grace period law otherwise you're at the library with microfiche trying to figure it out if he knew i think maybe he would have been really reasonable that's all there is to it so uh harvey did that so he's got a history of threat these are the only two people who have like come forward and talked about his threats too so who knows how many other people he's threatened or kicked out with a threat and And they just left quietly, frightened of this crazy bastard.

So back to the kids here. The three kids moving in in 94. This is 1994. Yeah, this is odd. The neighbor said they sometimes played their rock and roll music, as they called it. They played that rock and roll music. It's 1994. It's not.

They had a band. They had a band. They played late into and roll music. It's 1994. It's not that anymore. They had a band. No. They had a band. They played late into the night sometimes. Oh, this is when grunge was almost over. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of distortion going on there. Or is this like... No, this is when it's new.

1994 is when it's very popular. Well, it's new to middle America. It's very popular. Live is popular. Yeah, live. Nirvana is still popular. There's still Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and all that shit's really big at this point. This is very grunge oriented. There's a Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and all that shit's really big at this point. This is very grunge-oriented.

There's a lot of flannel in this house today. But they could have had Wu-Tang and Nas and all this shit was out, but instead they chose this. Whatever, that's fine. They're white kids in Connecticut. That's true. Boy Scouts. Right. They're white Boy Scouts from the Wilderness Society in Connecticut.

In Connecticut, yeah. Let's talk about that. That's fine, then. I'm surprised they weren't ultra into it, actually, as a matter of fact. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, because I remember kids like that from back there. I'd be like, where are you from again? Two live crews like, yeah, you shouldn't be listening to us.

Maybe not. Right. So, yeah, they said they would do that, but the neighbors didn't mind. They didn't mind. They were nice kids. And apparently, if you said, hey, I'm trying to go to sleep, they'd stop, say apologize, say thank you. That was it.

So they're nice kids. No one had a problem. And if played their music they had no one really had an issue with it it wasn't a big deal uh they never had any troubles with the law none of these kids had any legal issues they didn't have any they never got kicked out of school or anything like that nice kids uh one of the neighbors uh said quote i would send my 15 year old daughter over there when they were playing and i wouldn't trust her to just anyone i never heard any of them utter a profane word they were always polite and generous okay so they even said like i'd let my daughter go listen to the music and i wasn't scared she would be raped it's a different time it's a well these are just that's how nice of kids they think they are like oh they're super nice kids they play music but they probably were playing christian rock or something i don't know what's going on fucking news boys boy scout rock early creed probably that shit

they're just impressed good god so uh these people here uh so this is all going on they're having a nice time they're living the damn dream for a young men uh or young people in general just having some freedom uh But March comes around. March of 94 comes around. I'm sorry, March of 95 comes around. They moved in in 94. March of 1995, they pay the rent on time, not 10 days late. There's been no gunplay threats.

The check bounces. There's now, uh-oh. Oh, boy. We're in some shit now. We've got to pay the rent. I don't have any money. Write them a check, and in the meantime, let's figure out some money. We'll figure it out.

Yeah, that sort of thing. Or they're 21. They might have. And they're like, I don't know. I think I got it. I think I got it. I hope it covers. Fingers crossed.

I don't want to add or anything, but fingers crossed, guys. That'll do it. So they have these problems, and Mr. Ferguson here starts to begin eviction proceedings, legal eviction proceedings. He was trying to get the paperwork started for that. But he also had other things he would do. He's going to make a trip to Home Depot for some fucking wood. That's the thing. He's got some action to take.

He's got blazes of glory to plan. You know how it goes. You know how it goes when you're going to go out in a blaze of glory, which will definitely be the name of this episode. So other people that used to hang out there, because they had kind of a crew. There was the three kids that hung there that lived there, and then there was the crew that, you know, the bunch of

young guys always have around them. And the two, there was about, they said six or seven of them that would come over kind of often. But there was two that were there all the time. A Sean Hiltunen, who was 22, and a David Gartrell, who everybody called, apparently his nickname was Jeeps.

Jeeps. Jeeps, like a Jeep. Like a car. Like you would have liked him. He also has a boat that they used to like to hang out on and shit. He's not a rich kid or anything. He's a landscaper.

No, just fun. But he spends his money on shit like that. He's a very, you know, he's going to landscape all day. And boy, I'm going to go to the creek this weekend. Boy, it's going to be something. I'm going to cool off in that creek. So, yeah, they had a cool hang pad. Good for them.

Yeah, this David was a hardworking landscaper who was also a volunteer. Fighter man. Fireman. Fighter man. Firefighter. Or fireman. Either one of those. But not a fighter man.

That's now a fighter man a fighter man they called him he was called by his unit a quote top-notch firefighter okay as well as an exceptionally avid firefighter whose enthusiasm for the profession never settled down that was uh by his supervisor yes so people like him uh he uh just moved into his own place uh his own place not in with these fucking nuts but in his own place so he's he's 26 though he's a little bit older than the group okay uh so he's like four years older than the group weird but he's started he's trying to he's kind of in the same path as them maybe he was a senior when they were freshmen maybe he knew their brother that's

the thing yeah that's that's true too i remember that yeah i'd end up knowing people's older brothers because he was gone. I know that guy. He kind of looks like him. Whatever. I'll hang out with him. I know a dude named Chris's brother because he went off to the military. It happens.

Yeah. All the time. Then his older brother went off to jail. So whatever. No. So then he's all right. Fuck him. I guess they're both gone.

Never mind. Never mind. March of 1995. Like we said, the rent check bounces for Scott David and Jason's rent. Ferguson asks his friend because he's down in North Carolina now, so he can't just zoom on over there and threaten in person. You know, the thing is, I mean, you can threaten over the phone. You can threaten in a letter, which is classy, I feel like.

But it's tough to really get a good threat in unless you can be face to face you know what i mean an effective threat i mean a lot can be lost in translation when that's the thing when i have my words up for you just to read like a transcript of an insult doesn't look like an insult how many fights have you gotten into your with your wife over a text that was misinterpreted in a different way i didn't mean that don't put emphasis on this word put emphasis on that word and it means a completely different thing taking it all out of context but in text you can't tell so you got to go right to the door and threaten a blaze of glory i feel like i feel personally i you got to go with the shotgun too yeah uh but instead otherwise you got to draw a

picture of the gun and send it to them and be like i have this or just send them a picture of you holding the gun smiling like right and then you take a picture and you're probably gonna crack a smile because it's a picture and that's what you did you look less threatening so you just come to the door you say knock knock blaze of glory yada yada moving on so uh he asked his friend ferguson does a guy named christopher given uh to to try to collect the rent from these kids they live in the upstairs apartment that's all by itself here. They told, the tenants answered the door for this guy. They didn't know who the fuck he was, this given.

They told him that the rent would be coming, and we'll have it in a couple of days. We're working on it. They're kids. We're working on it. We'll pull it together. And to tell that information to Ferguson, and everything will be fine.

Ferguson heard this information, and like a mob boss who's owed money and told no, he said, that's not good enough. Not fucking good enough. You know what? That isn't good enough. He says, tell you what, I'm going to evict these fucking guys. I'm not taking this shit. This is not good enough.

So he said, you can tell them or not tell them or whatever, but they're getting evicted. They've had 30 days to work on it. They've had their, and finally he waits till March 29th, 1995. Okay. And he, but we don't know if it's the first when the rent's due or what it is. We're not positive what the payment schedule is here. But it's still only a few weeks. It's still not more than 30 days.

It's less than 30 days, definitely. So that's something. This guy drives from North Carolina to Connecticut. Good Christ, what a drive. The only thing I have to do is drive there, which is like a 12-hour drive. It's a fucking far drive. It's not a small drive. It's not across the border.

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What? So, like, you can get back in, but you can't control the temperature or shit indoors. So, he can't control the toilet or the thermostat. That's awful. And then nailed a large piece of plywood over the entrance to the apartment. So, yeah, he breaks into the apartment, tore out the toilet, thermostat, and telephone also. He destroyed a sofa of theirs, too. Oh, what a dick.

Tossed that, threw a CD player and a VCR and a bunch of stuff into the driveway and broke the CD player. Back then, you actually had to play a CD and a player and a VCR was a very important item in your entertainment. And the DVD or the CD? A VCR was better than Netflix back then. It was. If you had that, you ruled the world.

And a Blockbuster membership? Get the fuck out of town. You were done. You could do anything you want. But a CD player broke so easily anyway. Oh, Jesus. You get a little bit of... Just dust would break it.

You try to clean... Oh, it must have been too dusty. You try to clean the little lens. Yeah, you get the disc that does it. Yeah. You move the sticker that says, do not touch lens to fucking clean it. You clean it with a little Q-tip

with some alcohol swab on it. Right, right. Because you don't have 10 bucks to buy the DVD. Huh? The CD. Why do i keep calling not even a dvd that's how far out it is yeah that's how gone the cd is that's so gone jesus christ do you know that too like when they came out this is a sidetrack but cds when they came

out were were very like when a cd came out like 1992 a tape was like 10 bucks a cassette tape and a cd was 20 bucks yeah but the cd costs way less than the cassette to produce right that's amazing they were killing it they were just crushing printing money master p had so much fucking money and that's why napster happened and uh there's always backlash i mean that's the thing there's a little bit of a revolt there if you're gonna print money then you're gonna you're gonna end up getting turned upside down your pocket shaking right napster limewire and Kazaa took it all down. Took it down, baby.

How about that? The whole industry. Shit that you would chance ruining your fucking computer over downloading the wrong file. Absolutely. So that I didn't have to go pay 20 bucks for this goddamn CD. Yeah, well, kids didn't have 20 bucks. This was teenagers that were like, I want 100ds and i can't get all 100 cds so i'll just get them and a virus on the living room computer is the price we're gonna have to pay

sorry dad when you look at those stocks it's gonna take a little longer sorry some dicks are gonna pop up in your face but that's life sorry your compact presario is worth nothing now but i've got 10 million dollars worth of music i know i fouled up windows 95 let's talk about it okay it's fine so don't worry youtube will come out in a few years and you won't ever you won't even worry about it ever again fine so yeah so anyway he throws all his shit in the driveway some shit in the atrium just toss their shit out. Basically, the father here, Fralick, Frolic, whatever. He said, quote, he did this all without provocation. He was out of control.

The whole thing was out of control. I would say so. Which it seems out of control. You wait for the there are there's procedures that you do. And then you can have a sheriff come and the sheriff will have them remove all their things. And then you can do whatever you want because then it's yours again. Sheriff is bringing a constable to tell him there's a procedure for this. Absolutely. Unroll a fucking constable to tell him. There's a procedure for this. Absolutely.

He's going to unroll a fucking scroll and read some decree. I was going to say, and decree something across the land. And those boys will have to leave. He's going to decree that your VCR is no longer welcome here. So watch your pornography somewhere else. Scrolls it back. So he breaks in all their shit. Now these guys get back to their apartment

and they see, holy shit, they estimate that there's $3,000 worth of missing and broken possessions in this whole mess, which is way more than they owe for rent. So a few days later, they sue Jeffrey Ferguson for damages, claiming that his actions constituted

an illegal eviction. How about that? It did. They also went to the police, and a couple days later, a warrant was issued for Jeffrey Ferguson's arrest for doing this. You're not allowed to break into people's houses. Landlord or not, if you break into someone's house and take all their shit out, that's burglary. It's illegal.

You can't do that. Or there's different laws for the landlord state by state. But still, that's notglary like you can't do that or there's different laws for the landlord state by state but still that's not legal just because you own the place you're at that moment you don't own that area so anyway at that point shit gets worse uh for them uh he gets he's it's issued for his arrest so he's not happy about that they also complain the young men complain to town officials about conditions in the building oh white kids going to politicians that's great yeah they were like oh by the way uh you got some building code shit that's not up to snuff so if you want to play hardball we can fucking play hardball bring up all the

wiring did i mention yeah did i mention my parents went to college and uh have more money than i do and they can hire a lawyer so uh they end up doing all of this they go they say there's the plumbing was so bad that they sometimes had to use an outhouse oh no that's how bad it was uh at least two inspections by town official discovered health and building code violations uh the uh april 10th letter which is you know 11 days later from the town sanitarian roy ca bradshaw just gonna make sure everything's clean folks just to make sure everything's clean, folks. Just going to make sure everything's fine. He's checking under people's nutsacks just to make sure. Just going to make sure everything's spick and span.

And he puts them back. What's his title? The Sanitarium? The town sanitarian. Sanitarian. Yeah, sanitarian. That is one letter off of being a fucking nut farm. Well, isn't it sanitarium?

Yeah, I guess so. But still, it's sanitary-in. Two words. Two words. Whatever. Point is, that sounds real. It's close. It sounds similar, but they mean way different things.

You have to be insane to do that job is basically what it means. How clean do you have to be? I'm going to make sure everything's sanitary. Right. Around where? Everywhere. And if it's not, I'll sanitize it. 32 square miles, I'm going to make sure it's sanitized.

I have problems with this studio we're in right now and make sure it stays clean. I'm like, fuck, there's stuff everywhere. This is insanity, though. So Roy C.A. Bradshaw wrote a letter to Jeffrey Ferguson saying there was no heat on the second floor, no toilet, a leaky roof, fire hazards. Quote, nonpayment of rent by a tenant does not entitle the landlord to deprive the tenant of heat, water, power, etc. is the letter that the sanitarian, the cleanest man in town, cleanest. This man's asshole you could eat a Salisbury steak dinner off of, as we've discussed in the past. He comes in smelling of lemon pine salt. He absolutely does.

Yeah, absolutely. Do you smell that? What is that? That's my butthole. That must be Bradshaw's butthole coming you should smell his armpits they're phenomenal like a like a spring forest green yeah we both went to the forest for some reason i like that and we were like we already went lemon we're going for us now somewhere else so uh these so these two people uh as a result of this and

they have this letter now too from the city which helps also the two of the tenants institute a small claims action i don't know which two of the three do it i'm assuming the freilich guy was involved because his dad seems pretty involved in all this they file a small claims action against ferguson for all the stuff they broke and back rent for shit not when it was broken uh ready reading officials uh also separate officials from the city of reading also notified them of several building code violations they discovered that he illegally converted a single family home into a three-unit building without getting any permits none none he got none of the necessary

permits and the house is in a zone where multifamily dwellings are absolutely prohibited. So he absolutely had no permits because what he did isn't even legal in that area. And there's no way to acquire a permit. jelop quote in a shoe right and then it's you know and yeah so they had so many tenants you didn't know what to do so that's what ends up happening so they're you know they're telling him that he needs to uh resolve this obviously i assume there's some fines and some financial accommodations that can be made you're gonna have to go to the fucking meeting to get this rezoned and if that doesn't happen then you're just gonna have to turn it back into one bed they're gonna tear it off yeah you're screwed you're gonna have to pay for it all too and you're gonna have to get permits to do that but you're just going to have to turn it back into one bed. They're going to tear it off. You're going to have to pay for it all, too. And you're going to have to get permits to do that. You're going to have to also pay for it.

Take it all back to code. Sorry. That's what it's going to be. It's going to be expensive. So he gets two more letters about these violations. And the town officials order him to resolve these violations within the next 10 to 24 days. Or it gets condemned. I'm sure there's fining and things like that.

Or you start receiving this fine. And I think this is actually a criminal action, too. Like you'll be held in contempt if you don't do this. So that's a problem. He's also ordered, Ferguson is, to appear before the Reading Conservation Commission on April 18th, 1995, to respond to an alleged environmental violation on the property. This has something to do with the sewage, we think. And the Reading fire marshal also informed Ferguson of several possible fire code violations

in the building. So him being a crazy person just basically caused the entire city government to come down on his home and cost him an entire income property. And this is going to cost him tens of thousands of dollars to not go to jail. Probably hundreds of thousands. To get this all fixed. Resolve all of it. And he's going to have to pay fines.

He's got fire codes. He's going to have to redo the plumbing. He's got to redo electricity. He's got to redo. All because he ran into affluent white kids that just didn't look it. Don't judge a book by its cover, sir. And well, all that flannel. They know what they're doing.

They might not be. They see. This is the thing. You might not be able to see the wealth on them, but the privilege is under there. That's the thing. It was under there. They had they had Connecticut suburban privilege and they knew it. Yeah.

And that's a problem. You can't fuck with you. Fuck with the Costa Rican immigrant. Right. That guy would have slipped out in the night. You'd have never heard from him again. These kids are going to call their dad and be like, do you know anyone at the city? Because they're being total dicks.

And then next thing you know, this guy's got violations. Maybe when you went golfing with the mayor. Yeah. Can you give him a call? Anything? A councilman? You know any councilmen, dad? Councilmen are the fucking worst.

Those are the sneakiest fucks of all of them they will just pass shit through in the middle of the night and nobody knows anything about it because no one pays attention to local because nobody gives a shit about anything there's wars going on we don't have time to deal with councilmen and what the hell they're going on with the stop sign at the end of the street who gives a shit i can't i don't have time but they're scratching all kind of backs oh definitely i bet that's that's a lot of golfing there so on april 17th uh 1995 a member of the redding police department applies for an arrest warrant charging ferguson with criminal lockout because he's not resolved anything he's not doing what he's supposed to do

so they're like all right maybe an arrest warrant yeah well uh you know change his mind anyway so that day it's the 17th he is down in north carolina ferguson is jeffrey ferguson he rents a champagne colored ford tempo which is an awful car ford tempo is a terrible piece of shit and that champagne that ford champagne color was awful so that's just wow not a good car to have i think that was the answer to the chsler K car, which was also a piece of shit. I thought that was the Taurus, though. Because the Tempo was like a shittier, smaller Taurus. That's what it is. That's what the K car is.

It's a tiny, the Reliant K was like a tiny. It's like a shitty LeBaron. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jesus, it's terrible. Tiny four-door, square boxy piece of garbage. And the Tempo was not any better.

I had a friend that had a tempo, and if you turned the radio up loud, the headlights would dim. So, we'd have like a good song on, and you'd go to turn it up, and he'd be like, no, dude, no, I can't see. Literally like, I can't see, I can't see. And sometimes we'd be like, this road's pretty well lit, we can crank it up,

and we'd crank it up, and he'd be fucking squinting, looking at the windshield, trying to see shit. Like, dude, turn it down, turn it down. There's curves coming up. It's ridiculous. I had a friend with a head gasket blown on his Tempo and it sounded like the fucking car was going to explode. Well, that's what it sounded like, new.

The head gasket was just on top of that. That was pulling off the lot. It's a Tempo. What a piece of shit. So he gets it from the YouSave Auto Rental. You bet. The You uh with the letter you save where they have champagne colored ford tempos is just a lot of them as far as the

eye can see and then a few donkeys in the corner well that just in case it is just in case the tempo breaks down it's in harbinger north carolina so there are people there requesting donkeys that's the thing like y'all got donkeys they're're like, we got Ford Tempos. They're like, no, that's pretty terrible. Really like a donkey. I'm looking for, now, I like the tempo, don't get me wrong, but I feel like the donkey's more reliable. That's all I'm going to say. It's a little more reliable, and I want to listen to music, so I'm going to get that.

I got this portable CD player with anti-skip. So, I think it's going to work with the donkey better than the Tempo. The Tempo rush a rougher ride if we're being honest i got bass boost you know what i mean you ever had that bass boost i'm gonna get this donkey bouncing and you had the tape they would go into the cassette player to play in the car from the cd player dangling out and then it was hooked up to the there was two wires because then it would be hooked up to the power source. The cigarette lighter. And then if there's a tape in there, so if you move your hand accidentally up, it rips the CD player off the thing, flies out.

Everything goes, the CD player's broken. CDs scratched the fuck up. That's the end of it. Oh, fuck. He gets it. Shit technology. It was terrible. At the time, we were so excited about it.

We were so incredibly excited about it. Listen to it. Don't move the CD player, though, because I know it's anti-skip, but it will skip anyway. You've got to twist the wire to get that short out of there so that it plays right. You know how it works. So he rents this piece of shit from Harbinger, North Carolina. Ferguson told the rental agent that he's be using. I don't know why he told him anything, but he told him that he'd be using the car to visit his wife in South Carolina.

He says, I'll be taking the car to South Carolina on that way. But in actuality, I'm going the other way. He immediately removes the use. You save auto rental license plate from the front of the car. That's pretty identifying. It's just a plain you save license plate. So people would recognize that sort of thing. So you want to get that off the car because that's pretty identifying it's just a plain you save license plate so people would recognize that sort of thing so you want to get that off the car that's not terrific he then leaves the rental agency at about 4 15 p.m on april 17th and travels north to connecticut this is a 12 hour drive and he's like got my champagne tempo gonna drive to the middle of the night yeah fuck it so about 1220 the next day, which she must have been flying the fuck up here. Spear, the woman who lives downstairs with the baby or with the son, five year old, left

her first floor apartment and walked to the end of the driveway to get her mail from the end of the driveway. She spots Ferguson driving the champagne tempo, which is embarrassing. I can see why you'd want to hide. Never mind if you're planning on a crime. You just don't want to be seen in a champagne tempo, which is embarrassing. I can see why you'd want to hide. Never mind if you're planning on a crime. You just don't want to be seen in a champagne tempo. Especially people that are your tenants. Yeah.

You want them to have respect for you. Who think that you're better than them. Yeah, yeah. Because you own this property. You're getting no respect in a tempo of any color. Never mind champagne. The only one you get less respect from is a seafoam tempo. I'm giving you nothing on that.

Nothing. Fuck you and your seafoam tempo. I'm giving you nothing on that. Nothing. Fuck you and your sea foam tempo. Rodney Dangerfield got more respect. Than a sea foam tempo. And he deserved it compared to her. I don't know why I called it her. So anyway, so he sees, she sees him, Ferguson. He was turning the car into a synagogue parking lot that abutted the property

uh that's right there so that's a ponytail is going into the synagogue blonde guy with a ponytail in a tempo in a tempo and a champagne tempo from with north carolina plates although they said at the last moment he returned into the lane like he started to turn in and then he just jerked it jerked it back into the road and went straight along the road nobody's gonna believe this shit that's yeah like oh I'm not Jewish. What am I doing here? I left my yarmulke at home. So as the car drives past her, she said that Ferguson turned his head away from her so

she could only see the back of his head and his ponytail, which is now a gray ponytail, which is the saddest thing in the world. There's nothing sadder than a gray ponytail. There's not. gray ponytail which is the saddest thing in the world there's nothing sadder than a gray ponytail that's like walking that's like seeing like a completely destroyed like gutted building in the bronx in the 70s or like one of those one of those plays like what is the place where the the volcano wiped everything out and everything's pompeii it's like pompeii i can't believe i pulled that you pulled pompeii i was i was that. I am like, I know it's not Vesuvius. It's the other one, Pompeii. Thank you, Jimmy.

That was pretty incredible. You're going to give yourself credit for knowing one thing. And I'll give you credit, too, because you did know that one thing. I'm amazing. You deserve it. Let's not go crazy. So he's got his pathetic gray ponytail. Nothing sadder, like we said here.

Also, Spear noted that there was a north carolina license plate on the car later that afternoon ferguson parks his car in the synagogue parking lot so later the afternoon he actually goes through with it and parks there it's parked with the tailgate against a wall that separated the synagogue from the property so he's backed right up against the wall so you can't see it so you can't see plate. And so I guess you could probably hop on the car and get over the wall quickly, too. Very strategic. He's thought about this, we'll say here. So it's around 4 o'clock, and this Altamirano guy that we talked about, the Costa guy from Costa Rica, he is in his apartment watching TV.

Hanging out. Got home from work. He's sitting there. Watching Telemundo. Oh, you know he's watching Telemundo. Out of nowhere, the screen goes blank, and he's like it was one nothing shit clearly watching soccer so it's always one nothing so uh he adjusted the cable box but he couldn't fix it and he's like what the hell's going on so he goes outside to try to figure it out or he looks out the window to try to figure it out and what he

figures out is that uh ferguson had cut the telephone and cable lines to the building. He's out there like a psychopath cutting cable lines and shit, which is creepy as fuck. So this is Alta Marina watches him out the window. Do all this or, you know, at the aftermath of this. At several points through various windows of his apartment, he kept walking to each window to see what this guy was doing. He's like, why do you cut my fucking cable off? Trying to watch the goddamn game here. So he had a clear view of Ferguson.

He said he saw him clear as day. He knows him. It's his landlord. He knows who he is. At one point, he watched through a window in his bathroom. He saw Ferguson from a distance of only a few feet when Ferguson bent down at an oil tank pipe coming out of the ground at the base of the building. So that's, I don't know what he was doing with that.

He did know him, like we said, he rented him the apartment. Alta Marino was one of the guys that helped Ferguson remove the shit from these kids' apartments. He knocked on his door and he said, help me move this shit out, I'm evicting this guy. And he's probably like, I don't want to get evicted. Sure. I'll help him.

I guess they owe him. Anything for you, sir. Yeah, anything. Exactly. Whatever. I'm not here legally, so don't call the cops. Great. Whatever keeps everything calm and the cops not here is what I'm interested in here.

So he'd met him before. He obviously knows him. So what ends up happening, a ladder ends up being placed beside one of Altamirano's windows. Yeah. And this provides access to the roof over his apartment. Got it. So there's a sliding glass door up on the second floor balcony there that he can get into the second floor apartment on. So he watches this guy climb up the ladder, watches Ferguson climb up the ladder, and enter the second floor apartment through a sliding glass door.

Now, once he gets into the apartment, right in front of him is Fralick and David Gartrell. They're sitting right there. So Ferguson shoots Fralick twice in the head. Right now. Right now. Gets in the apartment, opens the sliding glass door. No words are shot. Bang, bang.

Shoots Gartrell three times. Okay. Shoots him three times. This is with a.22. So he's got five shots fired now. Five shots fired. They were all to the head, by the way, too. So he means fucking business.

Altamirano heard the gunshots, as did all the other neighbors that were there. He then took Ferguson takes both of their bodies. They were dead, both of them, quickly. Takes both of them into the bathroom and puts Gartrell's body on top of Freilich's body. Stacks them up like wood, which is creepy when you start treating corpses like property. Yeah, that's a little fucking weird. I don't like that at all. So then Auerbach and Truswitz and Hiltunen, they all worked in Stanford.

They left work between 5 and 5.15, and they get home. It's about 35 minutes it takes them to get home. They arrive at the apartment, and Ferguson's just hanging out in the apartment with two dead guys, just chilling. As they come into the apartment, he shoots each one of them as they walk through the door. Just like a stack of, like a clown car. Pop, pop, pop. They fall down. Once they get inside, he shoots them, but in the order they

came in. He's very organized, I guess. You know how it goes. When you're OCD and you're shooting people with a.22, these things happen here. So he shoots, Hiltunen was shot twice, once in the head and once in the neck uh trusowitz was shot once in the head and our bach was shot twice in the head so now he shot everybody everybody's shot everybody's shot in the head uh this is

fucking crazy so what he does now this isn't enough okay he said he promised a blaze of glory he did so he says let's have a blaze of glory he did so he says let's have a blaze of glory he pours an unknown accelerant they think possibly gasoline or kerosene on top of four of the bodies and sets them on fire wow in his own place there are people there downstairs there's a child there there's a woman a child four other dudes there's a lot of people in this building uh he also uses uh he uses this accelerant to set fires all over the second floor apartment and then goes downstairs starts setting fires in the basement as well what the fuck man as if that's not bad enough let's have the fire

attack this child from both sides for fuck's sake so this is wow that is terrible man that's that's some that's a blaze of glory though i'll give him that he's not full of shit sure that's definitely a blaze of glory so uh he sets everything on fire the the neighbors as they run out they're trying to run out they find our bach hanging from the spiral staircase in the glass atrium still alive he's he's trying to climb out he was trying to crawl down the stairs or something he was shot and trying to get away so So they take him down. This is crazy because he's been shot and attempted to be burned. So he's still alive, but he's in really bad shape. They take him on the way to the hospital in the emergency vehicle, in the ambulance. He tells the emergency workers, quote, it was Ferguson. Oh, boy. So that's a statement right there. So that's a big deal. He ends up dying on the way to the hospital, this was Ferguson. Oh, boy. So that's a statement right there. So that's a big deal.

He ends up dying on the way to the hospital, this poor kid. God damn it. So five people, all under 30 years old. So fast. Dead. In a heartbeat over something, over a fucking rent dispute. Unbelievable. How much money are we talking?

Unbelievable. Honestly. What's a month's rent? What were we talking about? 800 bucks, $1,000. What the fuck are we talking about? This is bananas. This is nuts. I mean, mean the guy he was serious about everything he said but jesus christ man so he tells him it was ferguson uh everybody's dead five five uh deaths all the

shots were from a 22 caliber pistol uh uh matches up they said it's consistent the bullets are consistent with the one that he is registered to own, but they never found this gun, this particular murder weapon. They never do find it. I'm sure he had a plan for that, too. So after he sets them on fire. I'm sure there's a lot of bridges between Connecticut and North Carolina. There's woods everywhere.

So he kills them. He sets fires to the bodies, burning the building to the fucking ground. He then leaves the scene. He just takes off and drives south. He's like, all right, back to North fucking ground. He then leaves the scene. He drives, just takes off and drive south. He's like, all right, back to North Carolina with me.

Like nothing happened. That's done. I had to kill five people and burn that building down. I hope I can get there before it closes. Like he's looking at his watch. Hope I can get to Costco

because we need paper towels. Tell you that right now. So he kills all these people. He then drives. He stops in Elizabeth, Elizabeth City, North Carolina, where he calls his father-in-law, who is in Hilton Head, South Carolina. Okay. He continues.

He tells him he's coming down there. He keeps driving to his father-in-law's condo, and he arrives late in the afternoon on the following day. There are a lot of condos there, but I've been to a few. After. It's a nice place that hilton had oh yeah people like it there it's a that's a damn fine area of the country if you if you want to hang out yeah my dad lives in north carolina not hilton head but in south carolina and he fucking loves it and if you're into that you're into that so this is uh he gets down there he

spends he hangs out briefly with the in-laws and he spends the night in a motel in Wade, North Carolina. So he's in Wade, North Carolina with a champagne Ford Tempo from the You Save Auto rental in Harbinger, North Carolina. This sounds bad. It's gone downhill. This is where you take stock of your life and you turn that 22 on yourself. You know, when I grew this ponytail i didn't think i didn't think this would happen that ponytail is like rings of failure his tree rings failure depressing a gray ponytail is that's the good point a gray ponytail is the same as the rings

of a tree you can see how old the failure is and how long the failure has been going on by the length and grayness of the ponytail like rings in a tree so it's true if the failure is and how long the failure has been going on by the length and grayness of the ponytail like rings in a tree so it's true if you know anyone with a long gray ponytail they're probably not happy people or failures they haven't figured it out yet unless they're like some kind of rock star who's just like unless like don henley decided to throw a ponytail on or some horse shit like that i don't think he can grow i don't know if he's bald i have no fucking idea no idea but i'm just saying some old 70s. I could see it.

That's fine. He's all right. Joe Walsh had one for a long time. He had long gray hair. If you have over $30 million, fine. Otherwise, you're a dirtbag. If you're a handyman in North Carolina, you're a dirtbag. And slumlord.

And a slumlord. And a Connecticut slumlord. So the next day, he returns the Ford Tempo to you save. You don't want to get hit with a late fee from you save. He'll come right after you. Rental laws, that sort of thing, murder, violence, not so much into that, but he is that rental contract is gospel.

He will not break that shit at all. It's filled up with gas. He didn't get the insurance, so it's got to be back. So he backs the car into the space in the rental lot and then reinstalls the you save license plate, screws it back in the front of the car, which was good of him to remember that. Sure. Over the three day period, he had put nineteen hundred twenty nine miles on the car. Wow. Which is a lot of miles in three days. Oh, my God. And I would say and forensic tests, the forensic tests of a piece of one of the victim's charred clothing and of a floor mat in the rental car indicated that both have been exposed to the same type of petroleum-based accelerant.

So they matched the car with the charred shit on the shoes here. So April 21st, 1995, he is arrested finally down there. He's arrested in Powell's Point point north carolina which is where he lives and uh char and he's charged on a fugitive warrant not with murder yet because they're gathering evidence and shit still he's charged with larceny and criminal lockout of a tenant okay so he's charged before stealing and locking the kid out so that they know they have him on so connecticut officials wouldn't say right away whether he would face the murder or arson charges because they were putting the case together. But he's being held in lieu of five hundred thousand dollars bail.

That's steep for that's steep for larceny. Yeah, that's a lot of larceny. That's larceny and criminal lockout of a tenant. Half a million dollars has to be the highest bail ever set for that. You know, there's never a crime that the word petty is you know i mean there's never like petty murder no there's only petty larceny though yeah so you're charged and held on on a charge that could be nothing petty something yeah it's a ticket half a million dollars half a million because there's an extradition hearing possible for friday morning

because most most larceny charges will get you extradited with half a million dollars bail they never just let that go so the reaction of the town is fucking interesting uh the the people are shocked that new ferguson they're like well i don't know anything about this his next door neighbor neighbor in north carolina who's lived there next to him for a year said quote i was completely shocked if i made up a list of people i'd known that would do something like that, he would not even be on the list. Really? He said he was a friendly person, not overly friendly.

But if your house were on fire, he'd come running with the hose. Well, I know a house that he didn't. In other words, he'd piss on you if you're on fire. But yeah, that's that's an odd analogy that you brought up. If your house was on fire. Now, if it was his house, burn that fucker to the ground. If it was his house and your children lived inside, you're going to die. Have you heard what he did?

Yeah, Jesus Christ. The father, the Jack Fralick, says he doesn't believe that a bounced rent check over the course of less than a month could have caused this. He said, quote, it's just senseless. They enjoyed the apartment and they really liked it there because it was a place of their own,

which that makes sense. They said they talked about the the he talked about the small claims court and everything like that. Fralick's mother said she's not interested in the continuing investigation. She doesn't even give a shit what happens. She doesn't care if they put him in jail or not. She said, quote, the damage is done. I don't think the wise and where and wherefores are significant to me. That is the most reasonable.

That's a person who's just numb. She's like, I don't even fucking care. He's fucking dead. That's so sad right there. This would have been maybe the best episode of People's Court ever. Yeah. Oh, man. This would be national news if they

would have taken him to judge wapner and then one and then he burns the place down and then he threatens if you try if you find for the plaintiffs i will go out in a blaze of glory doug llewellyn so help you god i'll put a bullet between your fucking eyes rusty the bailiff touch your fucking hands off me. Swinging up people. That would have been a great people score. That would have been a great one. And forget Judge Judy. She would have dressed him down for that ponytail in a second.

Yeah, he would have left. You're going to walk into my courtroom wearing that shit on your head? He would have left chastened. It's gray. You know your ponytail's gray, right? That means it's over. It's over. Shut up.

Shut up. No, actually, i put shut up i don't want to hear it i don't want to hear about your conditioner so yeah so they their parents are just so in shock of the whole thing uh they said they kind of they felt bad because they kind of pushed their son out of the house they kind of of said, you need to go get your own place. But for his own good, they said he wasn't fucking up. They just thought he needed to start making his own life. And they said, why don't you go spread your wings, get a place with your friends?

And I guess he resisted initially and he later thanked them. But now the parents feel horrible about this. Because dad said he could nail mom in her twilight years before it's over. Yeah. And now he's like, i wanted totally pussy yeah the mom said that's all i was looking for is a little tail i was just getting him out of the house i was just saying his mom i was just trying to get him some tail too i thought he'd much much better go get some tail maybe i could get and we wanted to get weird i wanted to play porn with the volume at full blast because that gets

your mother going now cover yours if you full blast because that gets your mother going. Now, cover yours if you have to, but that gets your mother going. She's got a dildo you got to fire up. The thing takes two-stroke oil like a goddamn dirt bike. The smell's amazing. You know, I got that going. I can't have people in the house when that's going on. It's got a fucking kickstand on it.

It's terrible. I just want to get a blowjob and reach over her and put a digit in her every now and again i can't do that with a 21 year old and i want to do that in the kitchen i want your mother to know what the cold linoleum feels like on her knees you know what i'm talking about let me ask you a question jason jesus christ that's fucking cold linoleum that is fucking awful it's awful i want to put an ass print in the fucking hardwood floors. That's what I want. You know I'm going to. Oh, man. So the mother here said after she got up from the linoleum, these poor people lost their son to morass holes. But sorry, it's funny.

She said, quote, they knew how to have fun, but I think they were all quite bewildered by adulthood. They didn't know how to slide gracefully into the adult world, but they were trying. That's what you are when you're 21, 22, trying to figure out who the fuck you are. Now, Ferguson's neighbor now, the old guy, the Samuel. The guy that said he was so nice. Great kid, all this. Now, all of a sudden.

Played stickball, shit like that. Yeah, now he's got more. He says, quote, when he first heard about it, he said, quote, I said I don't believe this, but we have to judge this by our experience with him. He was a normal child. He was a polite young man who we've never had a problem with. He repeated that again. OK, he's got another statement coming.

Don't worry. Way different statement there. He says that this guy, they still have contact with his mother and with Ferguson's 41 year old twin brothers. They talk to them. So they're a nice family. Leave it the fuck alone. Now, Curie Ferguson and their only child here were staying with her parents in Hilton Head. twin brothers they talk to them so every they're a nice family leave it the fuck alone now uh kiri ferguson and their only child uh here were staying with her parents in hilton head uh she was a

special education teacher like we said up until that very moment when she decided to go hang with her parents in hilton head uh ferguson waits in a jail cell to be extradited they say that uh he shares a tiny cell this poor bastard with a local man serving a sentence for drunken driving. Oh, no. He's like, what are you in here for? He goes, I blew like a.12. And they're like, yeah, that sucks. What are you in here for?

I killed five kids, set them on fire, almost burned a child to death. You know how it goes. Blaze of glory, right? Yeah. And he's like, I thought I had two beers and I had three. So that's why I'm here. I cut a left turn without stopping. That's what I did. I thought I could make it. And I had three. So that's why I'm here. I cut a left turn without stopping. That's what I did.

Thought I could make it. And I was drunk. Man, that happens. And you did, say again? Five? Five? And almost an immigrant? Jesus Christ.

All under 30, huh? All of them with their whole life ahead of them? All life ahead of them. Good deal. That's amazing. So the trial, the prosecutors depicted Ferguson as an enraged landlord who gunned down the tenants methodically. And obviously said he tried to cover up the crime by setting the house on fire and driving away, which seems reasonable. The Altamirano guy gave a statement to the police.

He said that he identified Ferguson as the person he'd seen walking outside on the day of the murders. He said it was the defendant, obviously, because he'd met him before. He said that he saw him climb up the ladder. They asked him to describe later on, August 7th, 96, the next year before, you know, when they're getting the court shit ready to go. He they told he still remembered what he was wearing on the day of the crime. He said he was wearing a long sleeve coffee colored T-shirt, dark jeans and a dark colored baseball hat.

And they said, what about the shoes? And he he said i didn't take note of his shoes this guy's not fucking lying like he's he's getting his shit together there's a photograph here that was produced from a security camera taken at a mobile station near the house uh this there's a black and white photograph that depicts a man with a ponytail wearing a dark baseball cap and the same kind of clothes. The man in the photograph is seen from the side, so his face is hidden. It's a pork. It's a 1994 surveillance screen capture of a 94 surveillance camera. Some of them today are pieces of shit.

On like a 46-hour tape, you know what I mean, that you can't see anything on. I love that on the news where they're like, if you recognize this man make a phone call to eyewitness because recognize that recognizes gray pixelated blob you recognize this gray and bluish color she's got a little blue there if you know that guy call us fucking that's anybody that's fucking amazing well they what they end up doing is there's this photograph and the defense makes a big deal of it because there's a there's a photograph from one of him. There's one of Ferguson from this mobile station. Then there's one later on of someone who looks like him, but isn't him because it was when he was driving south. Got it.

was when he was driving south got it so the uh they're trying to say that uh alta moreno alta moreno when moreno when he when he looked at them he said he thought that was the defendant too so they're trying to make a big deal of he has a false identification because he thinks that these grainy photographs of people who look really similar are the same and so if he can't tell that apart then obviously he can't make a real life identification from three feet away of a man who he knows well who he pays rent to and helped move furniture with if you had told me that you went to boston uh during the time of the boston marathon bombing that one dude kind of looked like that's what i mean who knows and that was just a few years ago that can happen so this shit is ridiculous it's yeah you can't just go by that so he's trying to uh pull that shit uh they said that the they're trying to say the mobile photograph would establish a third party culpability defense like they're saying we it wasn't my client that

killed this guy it was this mystery man from the mobile with the ponytail that's who he saw jangles defense yeah they literally that's exactly right the the the vert the defense with their thing was you're just using this rent dispute as a convenient way to blame my client when clearly a look-alike did this crime for no reason yeah not only the coincidence yeah not only of all these people killed who happen to be in a dispute with this man but the person who did it looks and dresses exactly like him that is fucking remarkable and that is his defense which makes oj's defense look super reasonable like yeah of course the entire police department yeah that makes sense like that's that's what's going on yeah that's that that's what's going on here like that's ridiculous uh the obviously the court doesn't.

They're kind of like, no, you're full of shit. This is stupid. And there's a verdict here. The verdict comes in after 14 hours of deliberation. There's an eyewitness. They drive to Hilton Head? That's what I mean. Well, they're saying it's funny, too, because they didn't go after death penalty on this.

Because there's five murder charges and everything. They don't go after the death penalty because they say the evidence is too circumstantial and they're afraid that the jury would acquit yeah rather than put someone to death and then he's fucked so yeah they were like let's just let's go easy yeah after 14 hours of deliberation they come back with guilty on five counts of murder two counts of capital felony uh two counts of capital felony murder one count of arson in the first degree and one count of arson in the second degree. Those are all bad charges. He's looking at life in prison for all of that. Now, the old man is back again.

Samuel Lipovsky or whatever. He comes back. He said, oh, my God, is what he said at the end. He said, quote, i feel bad about it not because he killed someone because he really didn't have a good life he's jesus christ he said he didn't get along in school he bullied everybody it's a shock well he now remembered something now he's saying that he didn't get along with anybody in school wasn't a good student didn't have a good life before he was like i was great I lived next door to the parents.

They're terrific people. He said he bullied everybody. Sounds like somebody's been sitting with his mom for the past few days and mom's going, why would this happen? How could I have missed it? Were there any warning signs? And then she's going, well, he did bully that kid. I feel like this old man just wanted his name in the paper.

I have new information. I'm old. I forget things. Now I just remembered he's actually a piece of shit last time you guys wrote about me i had all kinds of phone calls so let's do this again no shit uh the father here john frolic uh frailix said quote uh the first guilty was tremendous i was certain he was guilty i was positive jeffrey ferguson was guilty he was the only one who could be involved in any way with harming those boys, which, again, makes sense. He's going to be he's going to be sentenced later on. The supervising assistant state's attorney said, I feel dazed, relieved, wonderful and ecstatic.

You just you just never know what a jury is going to do. This jury worked really hard. It took them three days, which if it took them three days, I don't think they were working real hard to come up with that one here. Defense lawyers said they had the wrong man. They said it's just convenience. This is all just a convenient mistaken identity here, which is nuts. It's fucking crazy, man. That's just a brave thing to say.

Yeah. In front of a judge, you're just like, wrong guy. Wrong guy. It's totally not him. The death penalty also, they'd have to show that Ferguson tortured his victims or intentionally inflicted extreme pain, which he kind of intended to execute them quickly. So that doesn't really match up. The one guy ended up in extreme pain, dangling off a fucking atrium staircase.

With his legs on fire. With his legs on fire. Yeah, absolutely. So David Auerbach, who's Scott Auerbach's father, said, quote, the tragedy of this is on fire with his legs on fire yeah absolutely uh so uh david our back who scott our backs father said quote the tragedy of this is that jeffrey ferguson the monster that he is has a wonderful mother wife children and brothers well that's nice he said quote they are going to have to live with this too our hearts go out to them he's trying to bang his mom i guess he's like i see availability but then that's a fucking nice man right there i wouldn't be so fucking nice i'd be

like they're all pieces of shit. They produce that asshole. What the fuck are we going to say something nice about him? But I'm going to see if her old ass knees can feel the cold linoleum. Jesus Christ. Janet Auerbach said, quote, I'm relieved and glad it's over. He was guilty, but my son will never come back. John Freilich was really, really pissed off that Ferguson showed no emotion outside of didn't do anything when they read anything. He said, quote, I don't know if he was born evil, but I think he is evil.

This man showed no emotion when he was shown the pictures of those boys burned bodies. He was stone cold, ice cold. If he was innocent, he would have shown some emotion. His murders and behavior in Reading, it was so cold and calculating. So I can tend to agree with that. June 11th, 1998 is sentencing. John Freilich is there, of course. He's the father

of the victim and he says, quote, in court here in the victim impact, he says, quote, you never met our son. Your first encounter with David was when you sadistically murdered him. May you rot from the inside out, Jeffrey Ferguson. Damn. Not bad. Fuck you. murdered him uh you may may you rot from the inside out jeffrey ferguson damn not bad fuck you that's a fuck about a fuck off right your heart that was the better fuck off that you sir

may fuck off that's better than the judge right there may you rot from the inside out so they ask him if he would like to say anything before he's sentenced, as you're supposed to then beg for bag and say nice things and try to get 20 years knocked off. He instead starts speaking the lyrics to a Celine Dion song. Get out of here because you love me. Get out of my life. No way. That's all he said. He said nothing else, but he still has a stupid ponytail on.

he still has a stupid ponytail on. He said that... How amazing is that? He said it was from a letter that his wife wrote him to express her love and support for him. And he included lyrical snippets from the song as, quote, you were always there for me. You gave me wings. You're the only one who saw me through it all.

And then he quoted that literally, folded letter sat down said nothing else he said here's some here's some dion for you no not that dion celine dion i want to leave you with a cut off of celine's new album check it out boom and then he sat down that's daring the judge to sentence you to as much as he possibly can. That's a fuck you to the whole court. Did he chase him? Jesus Christ. So the trial court completely didn't know what the fuck was going on here. They ended up merging the predicate murder convictions into their capital felony convictions and imposes two concurrent sentences of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

You, sir, may certainly fuck off forever. Also imposed a sentence of 25 years for the crime of first degree arson to run concurrently with the one capital, one of the capital felony convictions and 25 years imprisonment for the crime of second degree arson arson to also run concurrently with other capital felony conviction. So fuck you. You're in there forever. That is five capital murders. That is five capital murders, correct?

That's five capital murders. My Christ. Now, he has an appeal we'll talk about very briefly because the one thing he says is hilarious. I had to read through a giant fucking 40-page appeal, and I found one funny thing, and I have to share it with you. Close up with you are the wind beneath my wings? Yes, he did. He said, I have my appeal.

I raise you, Bette Midler. I appeal you, Alanis Morissette. My appeal, I raise you, Bette Midler. I appeal you, Alanis Morissette. So after he does, after he reads from Barbra Streisand's catalog. Hits us with some lyrics to Ironic. That's what he does. His appeal, there's a ton of shit that this appeal is based on, a bunch of bullshit, but the one that made me laugh is the jury array challenge.

He contends that the trial court improperly denied his constitutional challenge to the jury away array specifically ferguson claims that there was an underrepresentation of hispanic persons in the jury he's not fucking hispanic what difference is his name is jeffrey kent ferguson he's a fucking dipshit with a ponytail what the fuck does he care if there's fucking hispanics on the jury wow what the hell is wrong with this fucking guy there's fucking one percent in this town sir calm down yeah also there's a thing where they say the altamirano guy uh he's all of his testimonies garbage because he's an illegal immigrant they said he'll say anything the state tells him to and he's just a tool of the state and they also say the judge gave wrong instructions on reasonable

doubt but they were literally like trying to do semantics of a word and it was pretty silly so they deny him all of that he's in prison for life just dead going there just you're in prison you might as well be dead and then on may 7 2003 he takes it a step further and goes out in a blaze of glory by fucking strangling himself to death in prison. He dies as a result of asphyxia due to ligature strangulation tied something around his neck. The police did specify that he didn't hang himself, though. There was some kind of strangling knot. He tied some boy scouts back to those knots. He's like the square knots, baby.

Oh, my Christ. So he tied up a good knot. I can make a fisherman out of these sheets. And so of May 7, 2003, he's dead. All the kids are dead. Scott David Auerbach is buried in the Umpawag Cemetery in Redding. Sean Hiltunen is also buried in the same place. Auerbach has like a picture of him on a stone kind of thing.

It's kind of neat and uh the hill tune in has something in german written on his stone which is not comforting i wouldn't think they're that's frightening the other ones we don't know where they're buried it's not public information but i assume maybe they buried them all in the same place because fingers crossed parents are really much like they were all really close and they loved them but uh that's redding connecticut my and fuck. And that is Jeffrey Kent Ferguson and his fucking insanity. Truly. And fire and blow your head off. And that's my favorite, though.

Wow. Go get my gun. Go out in a blaze of glory. No problem. This is why you buy a house. This is crazy. Jesus. This is why you buy a house.

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