Small Town Murder - #80 - Sex, Lies & Duct Tape in Villa Park, Illinois

Episode Date: August 9, 2018

This week, in Villa Park, Illinois, a web of lies is put together through social media profiles, until the person behind them decides that they want a new life, and the only way to get it was killing the person that they felt stood in the way. It's a crazy, complex tale of a love triangle, insurance money, and identity treachery, that adds up to cold blooded murder, and a lot of laughs!! Along the way, we find out what goes on at a butterfly garden, whether you can be a firefighter, if you are tiny, injured & diseased, and just how exactly ripped pieces of duct tape can be pieced together!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We're going, oh boy, we're coming from Nevada last week with the craziest goddamn story ever. Thank you guys also for everybody's discussions on the theories this week. It's so crazy, that case. And I'll discuss it very briefly. If you haven't listened to last week's podcast, you should probably listen to it because we're going to talk more about this. We're trying to work on a bigger project around this case because it's just that crazy. It's serial fuck the West Memphis Three is what it is.

It's insane insane a couple of things we've had people have theories about the snow and the blanket and where's the blood trail and maybe he got shot outside and stumbled in and uh whatever backward walking yeah he stumbled in but didn't leave any blood because he had a blanket on and then soaked it all up which is kind of suspect and and there's no no theory that says he got shot on the outside either. The thing that bothered me the most is I went back and I was reading more shit on this that we didn't have time for last week because I could have been a 10-parter. And it just might be someday.

We don't know what medium yet, but it's possible. So one thing that they said, the Michael Owings kid that testified against him and said that he told that Brian Simmons told him that he murdered Jason. That kid, the way the way they the prosecution justified why he testified, they said it wasn't for his own benefit, even though he was facing drug charges. And this got him off. They likened it to another case because they cite case study case law they likened it to another case where a 12 year old babysitter found a large amount of cocaine and heroin in the house she was babysitting and called the cops to say she found drugs and they came over they literally said this is the same thing this is just a good samaritan uh literally

just calling out uh he's calling something out for the betterment of society and it's like no this is a kid this is a kid saving his own ass on drug charges. What are you fucking talking about? One thing is murder and the other thing is a bit of drugs. It's so shady, man. It's ridiculous. But never mind that. Sorry. We had to just touch on that. Listen to that episode and keep sharing your theories and we'll keep talking about it.

But we're going on a trip all the way from Nevada to Villa Park, Illinois, which is like we said, northeastern Illinois. One word, Villa Park? Villa Park. Illinois, which is like we said, Northeastern Illinois. One word, Villa Park? Villa Park. Two words. And I would think, first I'm like, maybe it's Via, but then I'm like, no, it's Illinois. It's white people. Can you imagine someone saying Via in a Chicago accent?

That's not good. Yeah, Via, that's not nasally. In the city of Chicago, I could, because there's some cultured folks there. Yeah, not with that accent. No, that's an ugly accent. They've lost that accent if they're cultured that's the first the first part of being cultured is losing your chicago accent and learning to you know inhale through your nose when you breathe when you speak and not just hold it together tight it's it's a fine art and that goes for and i'm not talking shit about chicago

that goes for new york too hear my accent very very small hear my listen to my brother talk you've heard him doesn't sound like me does he no grew up in the same fucking house that tells you that right there fucking guido yeah what are you doing over there yeah it's exactly there's me so i'm working on it so trust me if i can do it you can do it he loves dick jokes he loves a good dick joke my brother good for him gotta love a guy who likes a good dick joke uh so this is in like we said the chicago bur. It's about 25 minutes to Chicago to get

downtown here. About an hour and a half to Milwaukee. About four and a half hours to Detroit from there. So, you know, I'm in the middle there. It's in DuPage County. Zip code 060181. Area code 630 and 331. They're going to expand it. You betcha.

And I have two there. It is 4.76 square miles. There's a little bit of that that's water, but it's mostly just all land. And the motto here, the motto on their website is, quote, The Garden Village. That's what they, that's... I suppose. The Garden Village. They're very, very supposed of that.

The Garden Village. Because there's already the Garden City. No, this is the Garden Village. And their alternate motto that motto that they how you got to go three pages into their website to get to this one it's quote we live 25 minutes from chicago and we all work in chicago and root for the teams but we all still hate chicago which is a very odd we'll claim chicago if they win it's just funny if you know anybody in chicago if they're not from if they don't live in the city of chicago they love everything about chicago but fucking hate chic they hate it they're like fucking piece of shit scumbag fucking shit they hate it's like you why do you live here why do you live on a on a like a the outside outskirts of this place it makes no sense that

close to it everything still feels like chicago you know the outdoors you walk out your door and it's it feels like chicago fucking chicago man the garden village sounds more like there's nice parks so i think that's a better it's a better motto we don't need to know you're in your your internal monologue i guess uh i guess villa park was once obviously an open prairie at one point before people settled it. It had a ton of Indian trails and that sort of thing. That was the main. It was just an open plain.

The lake was pretty close. People were just back and forth from the water. That's all it was, a walkthrough. Now it's a flyover before it was a trail through. Trot through. Yeah, trot through. There it is right there. a trail through you know trot through yeah trot through there it is right there the trot through states they call them the the natives did uh by the mid-1800s there were about

15 white families in the area of villa park so that was their start it got dangerous their start yeah they were mostly german settlers uh who came looking for farmland you bet so they were pretty peaceful people uh they there was no jews around to round up so they were kept at bay with that that was good sorry germans we don't mean that but it's hard to resist a german well it's just i mean there's no joke in them looking for farmland so i have to find something sorry you gotta see the the the the fucking humor in how much you guys are just fucking hostile. Oh, yeah. You're hostile.

Jesus, you're a hostile group. And you put too many together and then fight everybody. They did it twice. Willingly. Twice in 30 years. We were like, let's try again. Let's do it again. I know the whole thing was a disaster.

Second first, same as the first. And the result of it was us paying for a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of money but let's try it again yeah i feel like this could be better for us sad part is in the end germany ended up making out but they had to be completely destroyed first and rebuilt from the outside so sorry germany yeah uh so the uh this was just a bunch of german farmers a lot of guys named diedrichrich and August and shit like that were there because there's a list of the names of people that you don't really need to know. Some of these farmhouses. You guys have the whole fucking manifest?

Oh, yeah. I got them all. Frederick Gray and Henry Bacchus and Diedrich Meyer and August Truber and the whole crew. You know the crew, Jimmy. Lots of yous in those names. Yeah, you know the crew. It's from back in the day. It was that group.

Lots of U's in those names. Yeah, you know the crew. It's from back in the day. It was that group. It was Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, MC Ren, and August Struber. And Diedrich Meyer, I believe, was in there. Yeah. And DJ Yella. So, you know, it's how it works.

So, Ovaltine is the real reason this town stands. Get out of here. I mean, it would have happened anyway because it's a burb. But the reason why it was really starting to be built up was because ovaltine established its factory there wow and uh they wanted they wanted its employees to be able to get you know to and from work and all that sort of garbage chocolate milk thrived for years oh man now we'll hear about the fate of the ovaltine factory also that shit's more more uh uh what's the word i'm looking for when like uh resistant that's not the word though it's the other one you're you're what like like like kids they

they're often resilient yes kids are often this word that's just turned into the 25 000 fucking password over here kids are off in this word curious hyper resilient so they're oval teens as resilient as that fucking tang and and oh yeah you put that shit it took astronauts to keep that shit going how did oval teen just it's pbs and shit like that because, because I remember they have it on TV all the time. Oh, yeah. It's nutritious chocolate milk.

Yeah, but it tastes like you're licking a dog's asshole. It's true, though. It's gross. The only time I ever knew of Ovaltine was from the Christmas Story movie. Okay. When Ralphie has the thing, always drink your Ovaltine, is the, whatever the code with the decoder ring and all that shit. And I was always like, what the fuck is Ovaltine?

And then they make Ovaltine in the show, and I'm like, it's it's a shitty nest quick right okay i got garbage chocolate milk that had like fucking iron it's nest shit perfect that's exactly what it is it's nest shit it's garbage what they it's what they sweep up off the floor of the nest quick factory it's like rat poison and tell them it has fucking extra shit in it it's good it's healthy it's got vitamins the rats must shit some sort of vitamins right so uh uh two wealthy men a guy named colonel jl calhoun and a guy named charles c heisen essentially the kids the kids version of like the the mat shot at the bar you know that yeah yeah uh black matte oh yeah yeah that has all the shit on it after the shit and then the the there was some i imagine a frat boy or

some fucking douchebag trying to impress a woman was like yo yo just drain that shit into a shot glass at all that's what oval team yeah that's the oldest vat of chocolate it's the it's the uh matte slurry of chocolate milk. Perfect. There's like coffee creamer and lemon juice and a bit of vodka and some Jager in it, right? What is that? What the hell's going on? Why is just the stem of the cherry in my shot? That's okay. Fuck it.

I guess I'm putting it down. Have no choice here. Right. So this is the Wander Company of Bern, Switzerland opened its only American plant, which was Ovaltine in 1917. And that's when shit blew up there from then on. It was named originally, the town Merge, the Merge town was originally named after the Ardmore subdivision. It was originally named Ardmore because that was another place that was Ardmore. And then they changed the name to Villa Park in 1917,

and Villa Park was a west, it's a suburb. So there was train lines going in and back and forth that were easy to get to Chicago and get to work. You could pop right on and commute real quick on the train, and boom, get right back to your place. You could live in Chicago and commute out to the Ovaltine factory. Or the other way around. Yeah, the other way around.

It's almost like they were like, we need a place to put this fucking ovaltine factory so we'll put it in chicago but where are the workers going to be and blah blah blah how about here and that shit was swiss yeah just swiss yeah the ovaltine people were uh switzerland fascinating yeah not too bad here uh the population boomed i guess got real big in the 1920s uh the aurora elgin and chicago railroad were the reason for that because people could easily travel uh you know business people were it's it's one of those things it was like living kind of like a living like quote upstate it's like they live like don draper on mad men like they worked in the city and then they took the train home to the

to the country which was 25 minutes away from there but still it was the country pretty much for for that uh they were they had uh uh apple trees they were giving away at first in the 20s they were offering 20 apple trees or 200 baby chicks whichever you like if you want to buy property here so which one that's it's a weird incentive yeah i've never been offered 200 head of something as an incentive for shit. How about 200 live items? You get 200 live chicks or 20 apple trees. I mean, still, you've got to fucking work to live here. You've got to feed that shit. Here's some work for you to get started on when you move in.

I feel like the apple trees are going to last longer and yield for a longer amount of time than the chickens. And it's a bit easier. You put the hose on it and walk the fuck away. All right. Yeah, the chicks. Imagine having 200 chickens. It's a fucking mess. Oh, my God, no.

Yes. But then they built schools and churches, obviously. A five-cent newspaper came along in the 20s, so that's something. The women's club gathered in a little red wagon, as they used for a library library until they got a library, which sounds terrible. In the 30s, during the Depression, many of the banks closed, but the Village Park Trust and Savings Bank survived. So that made this town kind of solid that the bank didn't collapse. That helps a lot if the people can depend on their money being in the bank in the town. It makes them not want to leave, so that helps a lot.

People can depend on their money being in the bank in the town. It makes them not want to leave. So that helps a lot. It grew a lot right after World War II when people were moving out to the suburbs like crazy. Chicago, this is an easy place to move. You can still work in Chicago. It's easy. The population went from 8,000 during World War II to 25,000 in 1965, which is their peak population ever. Because they let women read.

Because they let, yeah, they said, let's let the women read and then good things happen from there. Anytime you, whenever you let the women read, I feel like it can only help society. So that's the small town murder message of the week. Let women read. Fuck, man. The Ovaltine Chocolate Factory closed in 1988. Oh, my God. That's a small town murder message of the week. Let women read. Fuck, man. The Ovaltine Chocolate Factory closed in 1988. Oh, my God. That's a bummer.

It was listed in the National Register of Historic Places in 1986 and has since been converted into loft apartments for douchebags and hipsters. This is the Ovaltine Factory. Get the fuck out of here. So they got historical registry placement and then two years later they fucking lock the door it's a loft baby lock it up that's amazing that's probably the reason why it wasn't leveled and why it's still lost i bet they i bet they petitioned to get that historic registry thing just so that it would hopefully keep it open that like it would

yeah create some sort of tourism maybe it's It's old. Ovaltine. A little bump in the Ovaltine stuff. Shitty product, but it's old. Come by. Come on by. Nobody. Nobody. Nothing. Resident reviews of this place that I found.

These are always my favorite. I love resident reviews. I found no one-star reviews on this site. The lowest I found was three-star. I have three three-star reviews. One is, quote, the residents of Villa Park are wonderful caring helpful and hard-working the village is mismanaged and its employees short-sighted manipulative and a drain on the community's potential they got three stars out of that three stars good christ she had like an issue with the water department is going fucking scorched earth on them uh three

stars here's the next one three stars police officers are nice but they don't seem to help too much they're always around but never when you really need them they're real polite when they're getting raped yeah another three stars looking gassy stabbing right there that's pretty good good job dad i could see what you would i could see what you were thinking that guy i'm not very helpful i like your ass when it ripples when he pounds you fuck man what the fuck is... That's the weirdest. Polite but useless is what they're saying.

They're nice but incompetent. Three star review here. This area is great because it is close to all the major highways and has pretty good public schools. It's also super diverse so you can get to meet people from all over the world on a regular basis. Drawback are that crime seems to be staying constant. Maybe that's because the cops are running around worried about being fucking polite they're high-fiving rapists in the

middle of the job fuck it did it did this place was on money magazine's list of best places to live in 2017 it was number 28 of best places to live of how many uh shitload 200 or whatever they do yeah they were number 28 they were number 28 in between some other small town in Illinois and some small town in Virginia that seemed terrible to me. But whatever. That's just me. Find a murder in it, would you? Let's do it.

We should. Another one. People in this town, population, 21,969 is the total there. There's some varying ones. It's a big one. Yeah, it's a little bit bigger. It's down 1% since 1990, like a lot of midwestern towns are just in general people fleeing coming to their senses uh median age in this town is about a year younger than the average it's 36.4 so you know

pretty straight on the median age uh female and male are exactly at the average almost 51 female married population slightly over over average it's normally about 50% here. It's about 54%. So nothing too crazy out of whack. This is a very average suburb. This is any town USA, very much so. There's nothing that stands out. Whoever's doing our averages is fucking nailing it.

That's pretty impressive. There's not a goddamn circus in this town. It's not built around Santa Claus or some crazy Christmas theme. This is just a town where people live. They work in the city. They come out here. It is what it is. Race of this town, white people, 68.5%, a little over the 63% average.

Black, which I would expect to be higher in this town because you're right by Chicago and all that, 3.61%. Well, it's not them. When there's a town 25 minutes away from a major, major concentration of a certain race, and there's none of that race in that town, I feel like that's on purpose. Either they're not coming there on purpose or these people are keeping them out on purpose. But there's some, it's not an accident. Or those people are going there to get away from that. Yeah, that's what I mean.

Like it's on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they live in Chicago. Root for all the teams. But they hate Chicago. Why? Because they hate black people. Yeah, they do.

Chicago. We love Chicago, by the way. Yeah, it's a fucking pretty fucking racist city, though. It's up there with Boston in terms of northern racism. We're not even going to count the South because obviously that's a whole other level. You know, in terms of thriving metropolis, that's like a hub of northern racism. We're not even going to count the south because obviously that's a whole other level. In terms of thriving metropolis that's like a hub of American business, this place is pretty fucking on point with the racism.

It is. Well, there's a difference between northern racism and southern racism. Northern racism is some asshole will tell you a shitty joke when no one's around. You're like, Jesus Christ, they put up with this shit. Southern racism is get them. It's different. That's way different so i just let more scary uh the south just doesn't

look over their shoulder when they when they tell the races yeah that's all it is yeah i don't care uh asians 5.61 so that's above the average so hey look at that not bad uh hispanics though uh is the major minority in this town it's usually usually about 17 percent, 22 percent in in this place. So pretty, pretty high on the Hispanic factors. 72 percent of the people here are religious. We're going to get about 42 percent Catholic because it's the north and there's a lot of Hispanics and Catholics are the Baptists of the north, as we all know. Some Lutherans, very few LDS, 0.4%. Interesting. 0.2% Jewish, which is very little considering there's a major metropolitan area right there. And 6.6% Islam. Wow. Major influx of Muslim people in this town that came in.

Yeah. It became a hub of Muslim culture. There's a lot of Muslim people there. That's a lot, actually. Very cool. 6.6 is, that's why they're saying it is diverse. There's a lot of people from all over the place. About 49.7, so almost 50% Democrats and about 49% Republicans.

So cutting it right on the edge there. Unemployment rate is average at 5%. Median household income is actually higher than the national average really national average being 53 482 and here it's a little over 70 000 wow so a little more but it's a little more expensive too we'll get into cost of living as we know is 100 is average par normal uh here the cost of living overall is $113,000. So it's a little bit high, and mainly because of housing. Housing here is a $118,000. So the median home cost here, the rest of the country is about $216,000. Here, it's about $241,000. So it's a little expensive,

and Illinois is kind of pricey around the city of Chicago. Chicago itself is very expensive to live in city-wise. It seems like anywhere you go, when we go to these small towns, when they're up near something that's like a historic place, like fucking Chicago, anything in Illinois, everything's the land of Lincoln. And anytime that you get a president nearby that's that old and influential in American history,

you're going to get some people just wanting to be around that. And just that gravitation seems to drive up property value. Like Boston, anywhere in Maine. Anywhere where there's a financial hub, too, because there's different markets there and that's another thing. So there's people with money buying shit and that drives up everybody else's costs. Yeah, so definitely. So like we said, median home costs about $241.

Which is why New Mexico costs nothing to buy. Because no one wants to be anywhere near it or anything that's near it. Nobody gives a shit. No one cares. They're like, did they test nukes here? No? Well, they should have because this would be fucking perfect. And that might drive the property value up.

Yeah, maybe. 51% of the houses are between $200,000 and $300,000. And if we've convinced you, the only place for you is Villa Park, Illinois. We have for you the Villa Park, Illinois Real Estate Report. I found an apartment in the Ovaltine building. Really? Yeah, never mind your average two-bedroom apartment. I went hunting for Ovaltine apartments.

You did so good. I found a one bedroom, one bath 814 square feet garden apartment they call it. I don't know if you have a view of the garden or whatever. $1,810 a month for that. Say that one more time. A little pricey. One bed, one bath, 814 square feet, $1,810 a month.

That is... Yeah, a little pricey. Give me the fucking logic there. It smells like Ovaltine still, I guess. I found a three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,129-square-foot foreclosure! Exclamation point. $123,000. It's kind of a bargain in this place. Found a four-bedroom, two-bath, 1,539-square-foot apartment, or house, I mean.

$285,000. That's a nice one. Then I found one that's a little it's fancy it's nice it's got it's uh it's got all the bells and whistles and fit and finish four bedroom three bath 3046 square feet real nice house 479 000 so i'm still hung up on 1800 to live in the oval team factory to live in the old factory that's that's nuts it's two grand a month you can live fucking 10 blocks from the beach in la for that no shit well i guess this is uh in the Ovaltine factory. To live in the Ovaltine factory. That's fucking crazy. That's nuts. Two grand a month. You could live fucking 10 blocks from the beach in LA for that. No shit.

Well, I guess this is in the city of Chicago here, so it's not really the real estate report for Villa Park, for that apartment, but it was needed to be said. Things to do here. The Butterfly Garden is in bloom, according to the website in large letters. I don't know what that means. In the late summer of 2017, the Parks and Recreation Department of Villa Park coordinated an installation of a butterfly garden in the Great Western Trail. Okay.

They said, now residents of Villa Park are overjoyed with the results. Apparently, lots of butterflies. And flowers. They have a sidewalk chalk party. Woo-hoo. This is going on August 12th, so get on out there. That's the worst day at my house. I hate when my kids have sidewalk chalk parties.

It's the worst. Let your artistic abilities shine and create memories with your friends and family. Woo-hoo. Come draw dicks on the sidewalk. That's all it is. We're going to draw dicks on the sidewalk that'll be easily washed away by one squirt of water. So, useless.

And also, the August Summer Concert series is coming uh to the vf double w post 2801 so you know it's nothing but the best august 2nd is uh los ticoleros whoever the fuck that is uh august 9th the flat cats i don't know that is techularos t-e-q-u-i-l-e-r-o-s i got you how would you say i heard tickle arrows either way uh flat cats august 9th august 16th mason rivers remember the fuck that is august 23rd rosie and the rivets what are coming to town and then august 30th mr myers so that's that's just a science teacher from the local middle school he brought his trombone down and he's like everybody sit down quiet quiet flicks the lights on and off four times before he starts playing jesus christ instructs them how to cheer everyone polite and quiet make your cheers polite and then

end them in a uniform fashion. Thank you. He comes in and sits down. Criss-cross applesauce, everybody. Let's go. Click, click, click, click. Lights on and off. Come on, everyone.

Chop, chop. Put bubbles in your mouth. Did you ever tell your kids that at school? That is the creepiest fucking thing I've ever heard a teacher say to my kids. What? Put bubbles in your mouth. That means close your lips and blow. That's weird shit.

And make bubbles in your fucking cheek. They said that to my kid and i was like i've never heard that somebody says that to my kid again i swear to god is the worst sounds so pedophilic yeah i don't i don't want any part of that don't tell kids to put anything in their mouth that's not food and not approved by their parents for that matter if it's not in the cafeteria and wasn't no no you know i'd skip that just wasn't... You know what? Skip that. Just don't tell my kids what to put in their mouth. No, let's do that.

Let's just skip that altogether. Have a sloppy joe. Tell them that. That works. That we can do. You don't have to tell my kid where to put food. He knows. Jesus Christ.

Put bubbles in your mouth. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Crime rate in this town. Property crime slightly below average. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime about 10% below average. So it's a pretty safe little burb. If you are a Chicago person and you want to have a nice safe place for your family to go and all that, blah, blah, blah. This seems like a decent place for you.

Let's find out about some people who it wasn't such a decent place for. Some people possibly maybe were murdered here. You never know. for you uh let's find out about some people who it wasn't such a decent place for some people uh possibly maybe we're murdered here you never know or maybe one or maybe all or maybe both or maybe none you never know we'll find out though let's unfold this bastard murder someone's gonna die it'd be a nice curveball if you were like and then he was drafted by the milwaukee box and the and she survived the night came out of her coma has three kids today and a thriving business on etsy it's great she's doing wonderful don't worry about what she makes out of an old yeah that's exactly well let's talk about a couple people here let's talk about a nicole uh ab sharif

uh or abu sharif i'm sorry ab shar Sharif. Nicole, Abu Sharif is her name. One word, Abu Sharif. And Rose Sodaro. Okay, we'll talk about them for a second here. Now, Rose, she is about 20 years old, about 19, 20 years old in 2006. Okay, in March of 2006, she meets someone on MySpace, which is we're going back to MySpace times here. And it wasn't Tom. No, it was not.

It definitely was not. I'm sure he was on her list of friends, but this is a different thing here. You couldn't even delete that fuck. No, you couldn't. He was just there looking at me all sideways like a fucking school desk. God, Jesus Christ. So she meets someone on there with the myspace name of hollywood is their name that's the other people with their bullshit names and all that yeah it's

forget about what a dark period this was for people like trying to figure out social media thank god this shit crashed after thank god so i don't have to read anybody's tiny red text over black background and be forced to go to their page and listen to whatever shit music yeah that's the other thing i always have that shit on mute fucking horrible so over a period of a month they went from myspace messaging to text messaging to speaking on the phone and then finally after a month or so they meet at sodaro's house uh this is by the way uh hollywood is a woman uh just so you know. We're talking about two ladies, not a man here. And it's spelled Wood, W-O-O-D.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Not W-O-U-L-D. Yeah, yeah, no. It's Holly, I, Wood, and in fact, Elsa. So they start out as friends when they meet up, apparently. They don't do anything. Nothing happens for a minute. But then over the course of the next month or two, the relationship becomes sexual.

They start hooking up uh it's funny on her phone she had sadaro had uh abu sharif we'll just call her nicole it's easier had nicole uh in the caller id as hollywood so i mean right right she's really biting into holding on to that myspace profile name there. Nicole showed her that she had a Mustang, showed her pictures because she had a 1966 Mustang. Cool. Nicole did, which is pretty goddamn cool. Yeah. Not bad. I think it's a black 66 Mustang.

Bitchin'. Pretty fucking badass. That's pretty badass. So she would show her the car and say, hey, look, I got this cool car. Yeah. Also, Rose says she remembers seeing a guitar in the trunk of the mustang on more than one occasion so you know she's got a cool car she plays the guitar

she goes by hollywood on myspace chicks she and i would get along yeah a lot in common she's we could hang out with her she's cool as fuck man uh probably rose too for that matter uh so they went for the first time in june of 2006 rose sadaro goes to n. So they went for the first time in June of 2006. Rose Sodaro goes to Nicole's house for the first time. And this is when she lived in a town called LeMont. Or LeMont. I'm not sure which one it is. Just say it.

Whichever sounds better with a nasally accent, I assume, is the way it's pronounced. Terry on WGN probably knows. Yeah. Oh, Terry knows. Well, maybe not. They didn't know how to pronounce El Dorado. It's true. So, hey, you know, we had to correct them on that one.

Did your shit together? It was Terry, right? I think it was Terry. Whatever. I don't know. I don't remember people I met last week. I met that guy over Skype on TV for five minutes and was trying to figure out why they were showing us after a bus accident.

So, I have no clue. That's a blur. And it was four in the morning, too. Yeah, hard time. It was a nightmare. No idea idea i'm up at three to be on wgn to be at my house at four for 90 seconds and i haven't slept at all when we're sitting there like are we on yet what's happening is that a shooting is that a bus crash progressively worse wow jesus christ rose goes to goes to Nicole's house, like we said, first time in June 2006. And hold on. Lima. Yeah, it's Lima. So I get a little nasally there. So it's over in Lamont. Yeah, maybe Lamont. You never know. So the defendant. Jesus fuck. Hey, everybody, just going to take a slight break from the show to tell you about a wonderful sponsor, The Great Courses Plus. TheGreatCoursesPlus.com.

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doesn't matter. We'll find out. The brother is not involved in this, but she says he's dying of Wilson's disease. Nicole says that she is also dying. Now she's dying. She says she's dying and she's going to move back to New York because she's dying and she's a she's going to move back to new york because she's dying so obviously that's where you go for some reason because she's from there as she explains nicole tells rose that uh she and her brother danny had were

firefighters at station 67 in new york city uh she says she's a 9-11 firefighter. Oh, boy. That's what she's claiming. Okay. Okay. Now, in 2006, sometime here, Nicole tells Rose about a group of her firefighter friends from New York. Gino, a Becky, a Cap, and a Nula, she says, are her friends that she goes to hang out with. Also, Nicole once told Rose that, like we said, that the Wilson's disease caused her to need a liver transplant. Jesus. And she had a liver transplant. Rose asked what hospital she would be at while this was taking place, because she's like, yeah, I'm not going to be around for a while.

I'm going to be in the hospital getting a new liver quick. You know, I'm going to just go handle that. You know how it is. It's like an oil change. I'm taking my car in for servicing. I figured while my car's in there, I'll get a rental, just go to the hospital and get this done this like a fucking physical yeah that's all it is so uh rose says where are you going to be what hospital and she wouldn't tell her nicole would not tell rose what hospital she's going to be at because she said she just didn't know i don't

want anybody to see me like that blah blah blah uh rose also uh says that she thought she thinks at this point that the her stories about having liver cancer are untrue. And also she says that this is the weird part to Rose at some point told Nicole that she had that she herself had lung cancer, which also isn't true. So she thinks that's untrue. So to retaliate, she says, you have liver cancer? Well, I got lung cancer. I'm going to the hospital next week, too, getting a couple new lungs put in. What do you think of that? These two are so fun. So this is just a party. Rose went to

a party, speaking of parties, at Nicole's neighbor's house in the summer of 2006. At one point, they were seen in the house kissing each other. And some point after that this is because that's when they were getting close and starting to have public displays of affection even which is a it's a next step and whatever you're not just you know you're actually

together and you're showing everyone you're together at some point here Rose's mother does not approve of Nicole she says she doesn't approve of. And she wants now she's only 20 years old, this girl, too. So she's still kind of under a little bit of the thumb of her parents. So she actually takes her mother's advice to heart and actually ends the relationship with Nicole at this point based on nothing. But, well, I mean, if she does think she lied to her about having cancer. But Rose. Also, because it's going to be hard to prove. I mean, when the girl says,

when are you going in for that lung transplant? Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing. Might be time to just cut your losses here. So, yeah, that's the truth. It might have been too... Rose might have told her mother, like, you know, she was going to probably break up with her anyway. And then Rose is like, well, since your advice, you know,

makes her mom feel good, pump her up a little bit. I'm doing this because of you, Mom. That's why. This is very much like my lie. You got through to me. Yeah. It works. My military lie to the bed puddle.

Exactly. It's very similar. It's very, very similar. And it gets more complicated. As soon as it comes out of your mouth, you got to go, fuck, why did I say that? Now I've got some shit to follow through with. Fuck. I'm going to have to have paperwork.

This is a mess. This sucks. What if I stay together with her forever and i die and then she's gonna call for like uh a military burial they'll be like who the fuck are you talking who are you talking about like no no no he needs to go to arlington it's very important he needs a 21 gun and all that you understand nothing was more important to him than his service nothing it's the first thing he mentioned to me first thing i heard was to say he was like i learned two things about the first night i knew about him jimmy Wisman served in the military.

Served in the military. War hero. Jimmy Wisman. Lost a finger for his country. That's right. Look at that. Look at that hand. So I'm going to start going by.

How you doing, James? War hero. I'm not going to specify. I'm not going to specify that I was in the military because I'm not going to steal someone's honor. I'm not going to do that shit. I'm just going to'm not going to steal someone's honor. I'm not going to do that shit. I'm just going to say war hero. They don't have to know what it is. Me and my friends used to have firework wars in the woods when I was 13.

I was pretty good at it. War hero. You don't know. When they ask for an elaboration, be like, it's tough to talk about. That's right. It's hard to say. I'm just getting over it. I'm just therapy and everything, and I'm just starting to.

Sorry. War hero. I can snap at any minute. Yeah, war hero. That, and I'm just starting to... Sorry. War hero. I can snap at any minute. Yeah, war hero. That's me. James, war hero. Good to meet you. That's genius.

Jesus Christ. I love it. So, hey, they have to get real specific. Sometimes. So, they start talking again, though, in the fall of 2006. Nicole starts kind of reeling Rose back into her orbit. Nicole starts kind of reeling Rose back into her orbit. And in early 2007, Nicole is really pushing through with a lot of text messages trying to win her, win her, we'll just say here.

A lot of them. But Rose started to be a little bit of suspicious of her at this point. She just doesn't trust her. And I could see why if you don't if someone tells you they had a horrible cancer that they actually went and got a liver transplant for that's that's not a little thing you didn't say i had the flu last week you said i last week i got a liver transplant that's a huge lie that person's capable of lying about anything for christ's sake go through your belly button for that where's the scar where's the fucking scar get out of here get out of here jesus christ so it's fucking crazy so uh but but uh nicole repeatedly uh tells rose both in person and in text messages and any other communication that they can muster that she loves

her and that she only wants to be with her there's a text from february 24th 2007 from nicole to rose that says quote i love you more than you can ever know but if you let me i will spend my life showing you so she's really making a pretty hard drive to the hoop for uh a long-term relationship yeah i would say here i understand it but i don't understand you know what i mean like being that desperate for somebody's approval i can't fathom anymore i mean i did it when i was younger obviously yeah yeah but now and nicole's nicole in her defense nicole's 26 yeah so she's 26 rose is 20 and uh i think from what i've gathered and from what i've seen and i'm not judging but rose is the prettier of the two uh she's kind of just and i'm not trying to judge anybody but in every relationship,

if somebody might be swinging over their head. Right. And I would say that if you saw the two of them, you'd say that probably she's lucky that she likes her just, just based on looks, I would say so. And she's a little younger and all that. So I feel like just Nicole's kind of enamored with her for a lot of reasons.

And they seem to get along too. That's the other thing. It's not all about physical here. It's sometimes a persistent seem to get along, too. That's the other thing. It's not all about physical here. Sometimes a persistent one actually wins, though, too. That's the other thing. If you've ever seen a movie, that's the guy that keeps coming back. Yeah, she gets him. But and it might be less crazy.

I don't know because I'm not a lesbian, but it might be less creepy if a girl is coming back. I don't know if I don't know, though. Maybe not. See, this is the thing. Sometimes lesbian relationships are. Yeah, they are. Well, yeah, it doesn't matter.

But I would assume any they can be as volatile as any other relationship. It's just two human beings that are sharing a relationship. So they're going to be fucking volatile as volatile as a man and a woman or whatever. I don't. As we know, lesbians love us. That is one thing. They absolutely do love us. But we don't know.

We don't sit down and we don don't know fuck about we don't know fuck about you we have no idea yeah and we don't sit down and interrogate you because i don't know because that seems your business and uh you don't interrogate me about what i do so i figure it's fine and that's the polite thing to do and i just like to be friends with you talk about what we have common interests in you know that sort of shit so i've never done any research on this we do it's great yeah we get along great with every lesbian we hang out with it's true fucking chicks are awesome stay at their house sometimes yes we do yes we do i'm coming back to portland and i'm so thankful thank you so uh yeah this is getting interesting though so she's trying

to make a play for a long-term relationship uh now we we there's a at the march 15th 2007 we'll start out with here how to unravel this whole thing march 15th 2007 uh there's a woman named becky becky klein rebecca's her full name but everyone calls her becky becky klein is uh is uh as nicole's roommate okay she's her roommate there. She's 32 years old. Her sister is there on, Becky's sister is there at their shared place. March 15th, 2007, she said she was there during the evening

and they were, she was preparing the house for a family birthday party that was supposed to take place the next day. Got it. She said, the sister says that she arrived at 4.30 and that the sister and Becky stopped to eat dinner around 6.15 when they were decorating.

They stopped, take a dinner break. And then also Nicole was there at the time, but she wasn't helping with the party preparation. She was doing her own thing, whatever. It wasn't her family, so whatever. so the sister uh uh leaves the becky sister leaves this place at 7 20 p.m uh she takes off uh they're you know they've done with the house is prepped for a party gotcha uh there's streamers everywhere you know balloons all over the fucking place you know how it goes nacho cheese in the microwave. Ready to get melted. Jesus Christ. Ready. Fucking fridge full of potato salad.

Fuck yes. You know it. So she, this sister calls Becky at 8 p.m., which is 40 minutes later, which I mean, come on,

give people some space here. You just fucking left. You know what I mean? It's a bit much. Calm down. It's a bit enmeshed is all I'm saying. Stop it.

You know, don't be too enmeshed with your family. Don't be too fucking handsy. Calm down. 7.20, she left. Call tomorrow. Yeah.

We'll call after lunch. Let me get some sleep. I've been decorating shit all night. I'm being too fucking handsy. Come on. 7.20, she left. Call tomorrow. Yeah. We'll call after lunch. Let me get some sleep. I've been decorating shit all night. Tomorrow afternoon, maybe. You never know. But she doesn't get an answer. Becky doesn't answer her phone at 8 o'clock. Now, Becky, she has a degree in recreational therapy.

She's a college graduate. She works providing services to people with disabilities. And she had just recently, in the last year, pretty much on her own, I mean, with the resources of who she worked for. But she was instrumental in starting a senior daycare program that helps seniors have activities. And there's also children there also. And they mix the two of them together to try to get the kids to talk to the old people. And the old people get some energy from the kids. It's a really nice program. It's beautiful. It's pretty cool so brilliant it's really brilliant it really is it's so interesting how alike those two

generations are yeah they're so far apart they're so far apart and it's really bizarre how how interesting that is and one thing i would say is kids could really benefit from being around old people and shitload like they really can you need to get another perspective on shit than just your parents or just tv or just fucking internet or whatever like i love that i grew up around my grandparents i have characters because of it but i love that i grew up around my grandparents like that because i got to hear a whole other just a different generation's humor and and. And it shapes you a little more. And you see what life does to you.

That's the other thing. Just by looking at them going, holy shit. They have stories, too. They have fucking stories. If you've lived 80 years, you've had shit happen to you, man, where you just go, wow, that's a fucking lot. I talked to my grandfathers. They were in World War II and shit.

It was like, oh, my God. Like, hearing their stories were fucking nuts. My grandmother telling me about hiding in the hay so the Nazis don't rape her. I'm like, good Lord, Jesus. This is horrible. Fuck, man. I just saw a cartoon character, Italian woman, dive into a pool on a bed. Pretty much what it was.

A wheelbarrow bed. Yeah, yeah. That gets drugged behind horses. Yeah, like in The Godfather 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she sees the black leather coats coming around the corner and she sees the glint of the light

that flashes off the Nazi's swastika. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then she just fucking dives right in head first. Yeah, she said, so the Nazi soldiers don't rape you. And I said, oh my God, the Nazi soldiers would rape you?

And she goes, sometimes they kill people. And I was like, oh, all right, well, that's better. She said it like, you know, you could happen too. That's okay. Like, you know goes sometimes they kill people i was like oh all right well that's better like she said it like you know that's that's you could happen too like that's okay like you know sometimes they bring sometimes steak sometimes chicken it's fine like wow okay never salmon no never never too good for you so uh becky grew up in a close-knit family in streamwood illinois uh her parents are uh jeff and marilyn and her older sister is melanie who is

the sister that she's talking about so she's 32 she lives with a 20 she has a 26 year old roommate uh yeah she works in like we said kind of occupational i guess you could call recreational therapy not occupational but yeah she works with old people has a 20 year old girl has a 20 year old girlfriend and her fucking 42 year old sister or something was yeah her older sister is there so uh so this is this is a fascinating gap it's a it's a huge there's a lot of weird moving parts here every six years there's a new person and it's all coming it's all going to come together at once and go oh no uh so this night this was the uh the march 15th 2007 uh rose invites nicole out to go to go bowling with Rose and some of Rose's friends.

She's going to come out with me, which is, I guess, a date, come out with my friends. So Nicole invited Rose to her house to pick her up or to hang out beforehand or whatever, but Rose said she didn't want to. She said, just meet me out because I'm going to be with my friends and that sort of thing. Rose said she didn't want to. She said, just meet me out because I'm going to be with my friends and that sort of thing. So Nicole meets the group with Rose and her friends at about 9.20 p.m. They go to hang out. They leave Nicole's car in the parking lot and they all drive to a bowling alley together in Rose's car.

So they're going bowling here. And I think this is in like kind of southern Chicago suburbs is what they said they arrive shortly before 10 p.m. at the bowling alley and they Nicole really straps one on I'm not that's a bad thing to say with it I said that on purpose I wanted to see your head I wanted to see your face oh my god now if i just said in any other context because i've said that with dudes drinking for me i strapped it on tonight like the old drinking you know whatever not this in this context your eyes lit up and i'm just like what is it and i sat here with an evil smile on my face like yeah i said I said that, motherfucker. Yeah, that was on purpose.

Jesus Christ. So Nicole really gets drinking. She's drinking a bunch of beers. Then she moves on to shots. She's pounding the shots. She is having a good old time at the bowl. She's having a white trash night at the bowling alley. This is Nicole. This is Nicole.

So she's 26. She's getting shit house. She's getting shit house. Because Rose can't yet. Yeah, Rose is only 20 at this point. She's showing her how it's done early. She's like, this is what you do. This is how you ruin your life.

You go to a bowling alley out in the suburbs or somewhere and you drink yourself into insolvency. That's what you do. Pour that mat into my shot glass. Let's do that. Cherry stem and all. Let's go. Do it. Unbelievable.

Slapping it. Use the rocks dress. There's a lot. Use the tall one. Yeah one yeah yeah so they do that at the bowling alley so they hang out at the bowling alley from about 10 o'clock till 1 30 it's a lot of bowling and drinking right there that means they didn't bowl for four and a half hours that means they they decided that the bowling alley bar was the coolest place around. You can't bowl for four hours. No. If you don't bowl. No, you don't bowl.

Your arm would be so sore if you bowled for four hours. My leg. I bowled for an hour with my kids. Yeah, that knee bent. Yeah, I couldn't move my leg for three days. Yeah, your goddamn quads are fucked. It's like playing full court basketball and you're only running. One foot.

You're walking six feet and then throwing a ball with your somehow that hurts your legs six feet and then an arm motion that's okay it's awful so uh they leave the bowling alley at 1 30 and they leave because uh because nicole is so shit faced they're like i think it's time to go now otherwise they'd have been there longer yeah they'd have kept hanging out but she's so shit-faced uh that rose was like i better get her home and she's kind of messy and uh thanks for bringing your friend rose yeah thanks yeah oh she's a catch yeah good oh yeah if she's trying if nicole's trying to lure rose to be with her for a long-term relationship going out with her friends who are younger especially so they're probably looking at nicole like she's a little

weird to begin with because she's even five years older than them. She doesn't fit into the group. And on top of that, she's so drunk they have to leave the bowling alley. Bad impression. The gap between 20 and 26 doesn't seem that big. Oh, it's big. It's monstrous.

But the life experience that you feel in six years is fucking tremendous. It's five blackouts, two car accidents, three abortions, and a major disease, I feel like. That's the difference in 20 to 26. Yeah. And three bad relationships. And you've seen a murder. Yeah. And you've seen, yeah.

You've definitely seen an assault. You've seen corpses. You don't even know if it ended in murder. Might have been dead. So, again, you ran and called the police. You ran and didn't call the police. If you were 20, you'd have called the police. By 25, you're like, I don't want to get involved. Fuck to get involved you just run the other direction not my problem see you gone you've

seen somebody in distress though oh yeah 20 you may or may not have no you might have a party somebody passed out and you don't know this girl was still listening to her mother about relationships i feel like she hasn't seen many corpses. I'm going to go ahead on a limb and say. So Rose drives Nicole home, which is nice. At least Nicole doesn't try to drive home in her shit-faced state. And very responsible of Rose to say, I'll take you home. You shouldn't be driving. They get to the apartment or they get to the home in Villa Park about 3 o'clock in the morning.

So I don't know what the hell happened between 1.30 and 3. I know it's a little bit of a ride. It's probably 45 minutes from the bowling alley to the house but still you never know nicole could have been so shit house she's like make a left there and then she's like where are we going oh i didn't mean that turn back around and when people are drunk in a parking lot after something it takes forever to get them into the fucking car they want to hang out into that passenger talk and bullshit and walk over there and then pee in the corner. And you're like, can you? Jeez, we're going to the diner. You can pee there.

Pull over. I got a puke. False alarm. That's fucking great. Oh, my God. I'm OK now. I'm good. So Rose parks her car right in the driveway.

No hiding or anything. She parks right in the driveway no hiding or anything she parks right in the driveway right next to the front door so her car is prominently displayed in the driveway uh she says also uh rose notices at that point that there's a white van uh farther up the driveway near the garage because it's like a big driveway with multi homes so there's a white van up there uh rose didn't know who the Vans was, and she said that, you know, didn't think it was anybody at the house because no one was home at their house also.

So they get home. Roommate's not there. So they got the house to themselves. That's a couple of drunk ladies out on the town who dig each other with a house to themselves. And now from this part of the story doesn't matter to me yeah because i can't be placed in that situation and be like this is great and good for them though you're already done whacking it so you've lost interest

i tugged in the bathroom at the sheer idea you're gonna nod off in that stool and he's gonna be nodding off for the next hour of the show, guys. So if you hear just a once in a while, that's me waking Jimmy up. Or my head smacking the mic. Or one of the two. That could be over the desk or something. So she sees the white van. There's nobody there.

Because she was too drunk to drive, obviously, she's there with her car, Rose's car. Because she was too drunk to drive, obviously she's there with her car, Rose's car. Now, it's at this point when they're sitting outside that Nicole tells Rose that she has a, quote, kick-ass present for her. They're hanging out in the driveway in Rose's SUV just before they go in. Like you're 16. You're an adult with your own place. Get out of the fucking driveway and go inside. What are you doing?

Like, I'm sorry. But also, dude, it's mid-March. It's probably cold out. It's the middle of the night in chicago in mid-march it's probably chilly get the fuck out of the car yeah maybe they're making out and getting ready for it i think so but this is some 16 year old bullshit i'd be like we can make out better in the house when i don't have a console between me and you and where there's a warm bed and yeah and the gear shift digging into my right yeah at least a couch something so uh she said said, quote, she had a kick-ass present for me. Then Rose says that she reached into her pocket and pulled out a key to her Mustang. It's her 66 Mustang key.

And she says, she gives her the key, and she tells Rose that she could come and take the Mustang out whenever she wants. She's basically saying, I'm giving you license to my Mustang. Free range. Free range. It's your car, too. Did I say range? I think you said range. He meant range.

It's fine. He knows what he's doing. There's a fucking G in there. And he backed up. Now I'm defending your idiocy. Perfect. This is just what I need. So, yeah, this is a key.

And this is Nicole's prized possession. Like, this is, it's's her she saved up for this she has well we'll find out how she got some money just like when you have cars like that it's you don't really give it to anybody because it's not like that car's super it's unique like anybody can crash a subaru and be like i'll buy a new one it's a new subaru because it's lesbian no no i got you I got you. That was just... It came out. Subaru on the mind. If you're going to strap into a Subaru, strap onto a Subaru, either one, you know how it goes. But I mean, if you're going to take out a fucking Miata... Hope you're strapped in.

If you crash. A Miata, that's where you go? They're so replaceable. That's my point. Yeah, if you have a Toyota Celica, it's like, who cares? Yeah, that's fine. But if you have a 66 Mustang, if that gets fucked up, it's fucked up now. So anyway, roommate's not home.

They go inside. In here now, go on inside. Now, the problem is that Becky Klein is not Nicole's roommate. She is basically her wife. Oh, no. They are very committed partners. What? They've been together for seven years.

Get out of here. Yeah. This rose. And we'll find out as this unravels. But they said this was they weren't, you know, illegally married or whatever. But this is they were married. I mean, they had their relationship. All their property was shared.

Both their names are on things. They they're even insured as each other's beneficiary on life insurance policies. They're married. They're a married couple. They had no known history of domestic violence or disturbances or anything like that. Cops never been called to the house because they've been, you know, fucking swinging dildos at each other or anything. It's been a fine. Or any other weapon.

Yeah. Or anything else. I just figured that was the first one in handy. I just figured that's probably the first one handy probably the first right there yeah okay they're a little hard yeah they could be probably sting yeah never know how big they are never been hit by one but i bet it hurts yeah i don't want to get hit by a dildo i think that's an embarrassing way to go to the hospital and need stitches what happened uh i fell down it's okay you can tell us i bet we could ask matt lauer i'll bet

he's been hit by one or two as as a returned gift i don't think they believe you that's the you like i said you'd go and they'd be like what happened i fell down they'd be like no you can you can tell us it's okay and he'd be like my my lover hit me with a dildo and they'd be like why are you fucking being why are you being an asshole all right if you fell just fucking tell us you fell and we believe it you hit a doorknob on the way down there's a liar in here who needs five stitches. That's what they'd say. Right. Lying, bleeding bastard.

It's the guy with the rabbit logo on the side of his face. Yeah, that's the one. Now, Nicole tells everybody that they have an open relationship and that tells Rose they have an open relationship. And there is some evidence to believe that they did have an open relationship also. Now, their relationship, a little bit of history, like we said, they've been together for seven years in March of 2007. In 2002, Becky told her sister that she wanted to break up with Nicole.

And when Becky tried to discuss the whole thing with Nicole, Nicole threatened to drink herself to death is what she with Nicole, Nicole threatened to drink herself to death. Oh, boy. That's what she did. So she threatened suicide. So for some reason, that's the way. If you break up with someone and they say, I'll kill myself, you say, I made a really good decision. That's what you say, because that's the wrong answer to that as a normal person.

Becky instead decides to remain withle and ride this relationship out and see where it goes which and this fits into her personality as a caretaker and someone who is in that the therapy it's it is the way it is teachers yeah teachers nurses i'm sorry i know we have a lot of teachers and nurses that listen and all that but a lot of times you're more likely to take more shit right from. You stay together longer. You have a nurturing, caring piece of you that some people just don't fucking have. I can fix this. Yeah, I can fix this.

Exactly. I can fix the senior program and this crazy drinking lesbian. I can fix them all. Fix them all! She's exactly the same as an elderly man that just needs to play chess. That's the same thing. It's the same thing. Same exact thing so uh other than that though none of the family none of becky's family

becky was excessively close to her sister as we know considering she left and they were supposed to talk 40 minutes later uh they were they were very close told her everything uh her sister was not aware of any other disagreements between becky and nicole in the five years since then nothing nothing they've had no problems they've had no issuesements between Becky and Nicole in the five years since then. Nothing. Nothing. They've had no problems. They've had no issues. So the problem was just in the first two years. First two years.

And then you could chalk that up to a 19-year-old that got into a relationship early. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I mean. Because she was 19 when she met her. 21 at the time. Who knows? It's around the time I tried, so I get it. And that's the thing, too.

She's 21. And when you're 21, your emotions are fucked up anyway. And your brain's not quite formed yet. And it happens. I could see that. and that's the thing too she's 21 and when you're 21 your emotions are fucked up anyway and your brain's not quite formed yet and it happens that i could see that being an issue but still yeah anybody out there who says if you break up with me i'll kill myself stop run fucking run away from that person that's a bad manipulative person and if you're doing that to people fucking knock it off knock it off yeah don't threaten people if you're gonna kill if you're gonna kill yourself ask for help but don't threaten to kill yourself as a fucking move like that's that's

at that point leverage in an argument you're an asshole exactly that's that's not i don't feel empathy for you anymore at that point you're being a dick right you're trying to hurt other people then you know if you're just depressed good god a lot of empathy if you're just being a dick fuck you so uh at this point we'll go back to the night uh march 15th they're out and they're snuggling she just gave her the mustang key nicole gave rose the mustang key uh it's at this point they go inside uh she needs clothes to sleep in rose does so provides her with some clothes to sleep in rose sees that there's a gun in an open case on the bed just a gun sitting there in like a gun case that's open.

Rose asks why it's there. And Nicole said, no, I don't worry about it. And it's not. That's just my gun. Whatever. You went to the ranch today. You know how it goes. Yeah.

Firefighters. You got to have a gun on you at all times. You never know. That's where the G is. That's the range. Yeah. Good call. Boom.

You found it. And the G is returned to its rightful owner. Grange, yeah, good call. Boom, you found it. And the G has returned to its rightful owner. So she says not to worry about it, Nicole does, and puts it on the bedside table. Like, don't sweat that.

I'll just put it over here. So Rose is like, okay. Rose ends up, he's sleeping over. They have sex that night. Rose sleeps over. She said that she slept in Nicole's bed between five and eight times. that she slept in nicole's bed between five and eight times so she slept in nicole and becky's bed between five and eight times uh during over the course of their relationship uh she said that becky was never there when she spent the night there which makes sense she doesn't want her to know yeah uh well the thing is rose doesn't know that

they're a couple rose thinks it's her roommate because that's what nicole told her now people think that becky knows about rose but rose doesn't know about becky got it it's this sort of thing and for a 20 year old girl to maybe tell her that like yeah also by the way i'm in like i'm married to like this 32 year old woman also but i'm with you on the side and it's kind of it's cool with her though that might have been a whoa whoa whoa this is too much for me it's a lot of 20 year old it's 20 yeah like i don't this is all a lot and so uh yeah so they didn't have any idea uh uh tough not a lot of sleep here and uh rose says that she was she uh her and nicole woke up between 7 and 8 a.m. and then Rose fell back asleep. And so did Nicole. Rose says that when she woke up that they watched some television. And after about 20 minutes of watching television, Nicole started getting phone calls that seemed to be a little distressing to her looking at her talking on the phone.

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I love that Martellus Bennett guy. And now back to the show. review i love that martell ispanic guy and now back to the show now one of the phone calls that nicole receives that is distressing as rose puts it is from a man named john lawler he is becky's boss at work he calls he expected her at work obviously that morning and she never showed up for work really so that's a mysterious thing he calls nicole at about 11 30 in the morning calls the house and it says nicole says that becky's not there so he speaks to nicole uh nicole tells him that becky left for work that morning i don't know what happened she left i said bye and she took off uh he uh he says lawler tells nicole that uh he hadn't

been able to reach becky on her cell phone and nicole says that becky's been having problems with her cell phone the last couple of days which i don't know why you have problems with your cell phone in quotes she didn't the rice didn't dry out she did so some shit comes through it worked halfway you know how it is so lawler though says that he's spoken with Becky numerous times in the previous two days on the phone, on her phone, and never had a problem. And also, it was never mentioned to him by her that, hey, in case you call me, because, I mean, she's out doing work shit, picking people up, dropping them off, taking seniors to activities, and they might have to get a hold of her. Never once did she say, like, hey, if you call me and you can't get to me, keep trying because I'm having problems with my phone, which is what she would have probably said. I used Uncle Ben's instead of my hot.

Yeah, I fucked it all up. I needed to get the long grain. I really needed to get some of that and I fucked it all up, messed it all up. So he thought that was really weird. And he says that, he talks about that Becky drives a white van that belongs to the center. Interesting. Which was similar to the one in the driveway that night parked by the garage there. And she was driving it because she took adults to these disabled seniors to activities and, you know, would use the van to transport them.

So she's like, where's the van and where's her reckless as fuck if you're taking somebody else's grandfather you know i mean to go get new shorts and you got a phone that half-ass works yeah that's what i mean so who knows that's weird yeah so now on that morning that friday it's a friday morning march 16th uh also the sister did not hear from beck Becky in the morning as she normally does. As we described, they have a very enmeshed relationship. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but they talk constantly. Forty minutes apart, they're on the phone together. Exactly.

So she said that they normally talked on the phone while on their way to work every morning. They leave at the same time, call each other on the phone, and talk on the way to work, which I know people do that all the time. They have a routine of shit they do like that. Becky's mother, Marilyn, says that Nicole called Marilyn, called her at 11.39 a.m. that morning to ask if she had heard from Becky.

So now Nicole is asking around about Becky. Nicole tells Marilyn that Becky went to work that morning, but that no one's been able to reach her by phone. She calls her mom up and she's like, she left this morning, but now we can't get a hold of her. Did she call you by any chance? Real casual, you know. So Marilyn calls her husband, who is obviously Becky's father. Well, not obviously,

but it's Becky's father. We'll reveal it. We know that. I don't know if DNA testing has been done, but everyone seems to be under the impression that this man's sperm fathered this this uh this young lady so anyway uh they they she says did you you spoken to her daughter at all have you and he said no i haven't i haven't talked to her at all today uh so then marilyn calls nicole back to tell her that the whole family is worried because she hasn't called anybody or gone to work. And that is 100% unlike Becky. Becky is very on the level.

Everything is, she's very together. She shows up on time. She calls when she says she's going to call. She has grandpa to the appointment at the time. Grandpa needs to be at the appointment. She has her shit together, which is, you know, it seems like whenever someone's missing, it's always someone who has their shit together. Yeah, it's rarely, I mean.

It's rarely like, I don't know, they disappear all the time for a few days, whatever. Or those are the ones that are in the news, and that's why they're in the news. Because it's weird that they're gone. People that are unaccountable, it's hard to really nail down a timeline of what the fuck they do anyway. These people, it's like, this person is usually here, and they're not, so let's start looking. Yeah, let's like this person is usually here and they're not so let's start looking yeah let's let's do this so nicole tells the family that she's gonna go drive around to see if she can find the work van maybe maybe if i drive around and find around town and see that van that's where she is obviously so uh rose and nicole leave around noon in rose's car because

it's still there to get the uh nico Nicole's car from the parking lot they left it at where she was too drunk to drive it home. Now, before they leave, Nicole tells Rose that Becky is missing. She's missing at the moment, and that Becky's boss and father had called her. So she's like, hey, my roommate, that lady you saw a few times, she's missing, man. The lady I'm totally not fucking.

Totally not fucking her at all. Absolutely not. No, totally didn't need to put. I don't know why I just told you that, but for sure not. Never put my mouth on her. Yeah, no. God, no. Jesus.

We're roommates. We keep it very casual. And you know, the water bill is due and I'm only paying half. So we need to find this. It's in both of our names, but it's casual. It's very casual. So as they're driving, Nicole continues to make and receive phone calls. Rose finally drops her off at her car, and Rose goes home.

Now, Rose and Nicole were supposed to meet at 3.30 that afternoon to attend a wake together of somebody they knew, which is super weird. Not Becky's wake, obviously. She's missing, but they're supposed to attend a wake together of somebody they knew, which is super weird. Not Becky's wake, obviously. She's missing. But they're supposed to attend a wake together that afternoon. A little bit later, Nicole calls Rose to tell her that she wouldn't be able to meet her on time to go to the wake, but she wants Rose to wait for her because she wanted to go together to this wake. Very important.

I'm going to be late to the wake. But, you know, that motherfucker's not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere. It's all good. It's fine. It's cool. Why do they give us a time that we have to be there we could really be there anytime i think that's for us not for them i think that's really for the living and that really is for most of that you know what small town murder is that's the only complaints we get is that uh

something might have been offensive to dead people or to the death to the dead to the dead and like i said we try our best to not make fun of dead people that's just not we don't we don't if our i've had violent crime in my family and dead i don't want people making fun of my dead great-grandmother who got her throat cut i don't want that happening so but the whole situation i'm sorry like i like i even made fun of that situation with my great grandmother. Small town murder. It's for the living. It is. I'm sorry.

Dead people. We have zero dead listeners. So. But you know what else we've never gotten? This show is for the living. You know what I've never gotten is an email from a pissed off dead person. Never. Not once.

Not one. I would guarantee you that not one dead person's ever listened to our fucking show. Or been offended by us. So small town murder is for the living. So sorry if we skew it that way i kind of side with the i think maybe the dead people are better yeah the better listeners they don't go fucking anywhere they stay right they would be the best listeners to have they're never going to turn it off i don't know how how active they'd be in buying the things we advertise or anything like that, but I think they would.

I don't know if they'd come to live shows. You know, that's a good point. A sticking point with dead people is they never show up. They don't show up for shit. Like, it's impossible to motivate them, you know? You're like, come out and buy tickets for this show, and you think they want to come. They'll like it on Twitter. I mean, they'll do that, but they're not going to actually leave their coffin and be there. They're going to retweet from time to time they will sometimes they get active so this is fucking so there's a wake this

afternoon this is a mess here this whole thing's a disaster not a disaster but it's just very it's it feels like it's like some sort of soap opera it's very confusing where there's like there's a lesbian like love triangle mixed in with there's just a lot here to unpack there's a 66 there's a wake and a and a car this doesn't seem real there's a classic muscle car and a wake and a and a good upstanding family with it's way too stereotypical all this shit so uh about it's so weird this is cruel intentions meets gone in 60 seconds this is a lot of fun very strange very strange yeah that's true well yeah because you have the one yeah okay so i feel you all right

good a good one good one so what about 115 all right nice connection 115 about 115 in the afternoon nicole calls the mother uh becky's mother marilyn again to tell her that she had found the van. She found Becky's van. She's just a sleuth, this one. What a gumshoe. How did she do it? She's on the case.

She finds the van. You know where it was? It was on the street right around the corner from their house. So she said, I pull out to go look for it. There it is. I'll be darned if it isn't right around the corner. Can you believe it isn't that amazing so it's super weird so uh just before like uh they said that no one the

mother was still saying no one could reach her and uh so at this point they said the van's around the corner nobody can reach her still by phone uh the mother picks up the father of the Klein's the Klein parents and uh they go over to the house to Nicole and Becky's house to see what's going on here. When they get there, Nicole is there along and also a Villa Park police officer who and this guy found Becky's cell phone on a window ledge in the basement, which is obviously strange. Vans around the corner, phones on a window ledge in the basement. Sort of weird. Like, none of that shit matches up. So, Marilyn and they get there at 2.50 p.m., Marilyn and the father.

And like we said, the police were already there. So, another one here, a Villa Park police officer, one of the detectives said he first gets to the house and Nicole told him that that Nicole and Becky had watched television until 1030 p.m. the night before. And then they both went to bed the next morning. She says that Becky kissed her goodbye and left for work between seven and seven thirty. So right away, she's lying to a detective and a missing person. Bad sign. Did she tell this story in front of Rose? No, Rose is already gone.

Rose dropped her off at her car. She came back, and Rose went home. Because Rose would have some fucking questions. She's like, wait, wait, wait, your roommate kissed you? You did the what? The who now? So what's that now? Fucking what when?

What's that now? Did she tell her about bowling? Did you tell her I bowled a 185? I bowled a 185. Tell the cop. I think he'll be impressed. Did you tell her about the mat shot you took? Yeah.

It was pretty gross. Cherry stem and everything. Nasty. Three pimentos. Nasty. Not the olive. Just the pimento. No, just the pimento.

The worst part. Ridiculous. Don't put that in a wonderful envelope. I'd rather have a pit in there. Yeah. I'd rather eat the pit than just the pimento. The worst part. Ridiculous. Don't put that in a wonderful envelope. I'd rather have a pit in there. I'd rather eat the pit than a fucking pimento. I saw, and Fry's has them, they are stuffed olives with cheese and an Italian sausage. What the fuck am I thinking? Prosciutto.

Prosciutto and cheese stuffed in an olive. Yeah, you're right. yeah whatever i'm not italian i just know that it's fucking me and it's amazing it's fucking amazing prosciutto prosciutto and cheese in a fucking olive is ridiculous there used to be in one of the malls out here that is one of the malls out here used to have an entire olive shop that had nothing but all of the different shit i'm in yeah i used to buy them for my grandmother all the time and make her happy oh my god oh my god you brought me all of that's nice we have plenty of oil for these oh yeah they're gonna be all oiled up all oiled up so she's she's now lied to a detective about her what she did the night before when this person went missing so right away if we're listening to this story, right, he doesn't know this at the time. But for us, obviously a red flag that this is a little weird.

Then also at the same time, another detective or the same detective, I'm sorry. She also tells him that they've been living together for about seven years. They've had a loving and committed relationship and that there's absolutely no infidelity whatsoever because they were like, are either of you seeing somebody else? Because if they're missing, that would be the first place you'd look. Did they run away with that person? Did that person, you know, bury them in the desert? What happened here? There's a lot of red flags right here if this cop does a little bit of investigation work.

A, she's seeing somebody. B, she's lying her ass off. C, she found the fucking car before we did. Before, yeah. Right around the corner. Which is, yeah. The whole thing is. There's a lot of problems and holes in this story. A Before, yeah. Right around the corner. Which is, yeah. The whole thing is. There's a lot of problems and holes in this story.

A lot of holes. Oh, the holes. So many holes. Jimmy, it's another lesbian joke, Jimmy. Not nice. Jesus Christ. Watch yourself. That was unintentional.

I know it was. I'd like to claim that. I take Jimmy's innocent statement and turn it into something dirty. That's what I just did. Made it into something dirty.'s what i just did made it into something dirty we apologize almost creepy i'd say for two dudes who are two straight dudes i say we have we've been pretty restrained yeah this entire time we've been pretty good because we really like lesbians and not even in like oh we like lesbians like we think lesbians are cool fucking

people and we don't want to piss them off because they like us. And they're pretty tough also. Also, anybody that likes lesbians because you want to get in the middle of that, no, they don't want you in the middle of that. So fucking back off. You wouldn't like it probably because I don't think they'd make you feel very welcome. They don't want anything to do with you, number one. No, really not. But the difference between something creepy and something not creepy is whether it's fucking

wanted. Yeah, that's the wanted. You know? Yeah, that's the thing. Whether you're invited or not. Or staring through a window. Because you can say some dirty shit in the middle of a set. Looking good in there. You can say some dirty shit in the heat of the moment. And it's all good.

It's great. Oh, I want to watch you do what you want to do. You know, you can say anything. Yeah, yeah. but if you just say that shit to somebody in space and yeah you do that shit as an opener and it's a problem if you say that in the in the produce section of the grocery store it's a complete watch you do what you want to do i think it's the overhead lighting i think you need the right lighting for that with overhead lighting it's just the shadows you're really gonna look like a monster saying that it's the, it's just the shadows. You're really going to look like a monster saying that. It's the neon.

It's definitely the neon. It's the neon. It's the fluorescent. It's the neon. It's the bad lighting. If it's dark in the room. It's the neon. And you're both naked and she wants it.

Or he. Whatever. However you're doing things. Knock yourself out. It just depends on the setting. The setting very important this whole fucking scenario i'll bet harvey weinstein says some horrible shit to some women they didn't want it that's what the problem that's the difference that's where the line is that's that's that's the difference between that and every woman loving 50 shades of gray exactly because this woman has been to this she wants it if she was

like please stop saying that stuff you wouldn't you wouldn't like the movie as much i fucking promise you that like this is a horrible movie about an abusive person that tortures a young woman against her will i'm calling hr or the police yeah then the movie's not near as good not even not whackable no no no not for them either way for us it wasn't it's fucking we don't care about that No, no, not for them. Either way, for us, it wasn't. We don't care about that.

Oh, Jesus. Anyway, she tells the detective that, like we said, committed relationship. No infidelity. Everything is beautiful. Picturesque, wonderful. Postage stamp, beautiful. It's been actually saved and preserved on a postage stamp just that says love on it. It's just a picture of their relationship.

That's how wonderful it is. And that's how much they love each other uh detective zorich is this guy's name he looks through the house in the garage like a bad guy like a bet yeah detective zorich zorich uh zorich notices when he's in the in the garage that the mustang's in there which is you know a thing uh there It's covered in a layer of dust. The Mustang hasn't been washed in a while. It's pretty dusty, except for one spot on the trunk, like, you know, where you push down on the trunk, the trunk. Oh, that spot's not very dusty. Gotcha.

So another officer asks for keys to the trunk. And Nicole says that she only has an ignition key and has never had a key to the trunk, which is interesting because Rose has seen a guitar in her trunk on several occasions, as we've discussed before. What do you think? I put fucking details like that in there for nothing. You fucking goddamn bastards. No, no.

Also, nobody touches that part of the trunk lid unless the fucking thing's open. Exactly. Unless maybe you were leaning on it or something but then your hands would be up there too so bullshit so uh she says she never had a key to the trunk uh also another police officer says that uh that he went there around 2 p.m and he says that nicole was out in front of the house and he asked what happened this is the other thing too all these cops ask her what happens and everything's kind of slightly different to each cop uh she said at that point that her girlfriend was missing.

She said that they did things around the house the night before, eventually went to bed. She also stated that Becky left for work at 630 in the morning. Before it was 7 to 730. Now it's 630 a.m., she tells him. And one of the other detectives, who she previously told 7 or 730, overhears this, too. And he's starting to, there's a lot of red flags going off or this doesn't seem right uh this is the usual time she leaves for work she says that she went back to sleep this morning after she left and kissed becky goodbye and you know told

her of her undying love and affection and wanting to spend the rest of her life with her in complete harmonious bliss after that i went back to sleep obviously it took a while to get all that out to her but once i did i wrote poetry every morning it's every morning i wrote a poem for every morning it's beautiful i'm putting them to music but it's harder to write a new song every day so i do that on sundays anyway moving on so he's telling her all about that or she's telling him all about that she explains that she was awoken by lawler, Becky's boss, who said that she didn't show up for work. She said that at that point, she said she found the work van around the corner

about 1.30 p.m. She said when she went to the work van, the doors were unlocked and the keys were in the ignition and Becky's backpack was on the seat. She's just setting up a real head scratcher. This is a real whodunit right here uh that's when she said oh well i have to call police now this is scary now so that's when she said she called police and got worried uh this officer also said this is the officer another officer said that he overheard uh this she he overheard nicole tell another officer that she definitely left for work at 7 30 yeah so one officer at 7 to 7 30 one officer at 6 30 one officer it's definitely 7 30 a terrible liar so she she can't keep a time straight just say seven meet in the fucking middle and say she left at seven you if you ever told somebody you had cancer and then couldn't corroborate that

with a name of a hospital for sure don't commit a murder she couldn't even say i'm going to a hospital that specializes in this in another state make that lie that's more believable than just i'm not telling you i'm going to arizona for the mayo clinic yeah that's getting the fuck out of here there's a doctor there that specializes in this exact procedure yada yada i'll see you in two weeks or whatever the fuck you say at that point i don't know how long it takes to recover from however long i gotta go google how long it takes to get a new liver new liver recovery timeline timeline so uh yeah she says uh now everyone is is there the parents are there there's uh uh you know all this all this shit here parents the cops it's a it's a fucking scene over here uh everyone's there the police are trying to use nicole's laptop which is in the dining room uh they're unable to connect to the internet so uh one of the

cops goes downstairs to reset the wireless connection uh turn it on turn it off turn it on yeah and do the do the old reset in the back hold it for 10 seconds with a little with a pinhead uh but he couldn't he could still couldn't make a connection. The computer showed that the wireless connection was working, and then it went dead. So then he went back downstairs and saw that now it had been unplugged somehow. So someone doesn't want the Internet to work, basically. It wasn't working. He went down, fixed it, said that it worked.

He went back upstairs, and then it stopped working. Plugs just don't jump out of walls. So imagine that's a problem here. So this is all going on. That's been unplugged. So she won the police at this point. What, Nicole? She's so dumb.

Did she just expect that? You know, it just doesn't work. We're trying so hard. You've got something wrong with your outlets. Let's just forget this whole thing. Like he's not just going to be like, you know, Richardson, come down here, watch this plug. Yeah. I'm going to go back upstairs and check this internet. Or I'll just take the laptop to somewhere else with internet.

Like, this is not a long, sustained lie that's going to work here. She's bad at this. She's not. She did not plan this out. Or whoever did this. We don't know. So this one is not as cloudy as last week. Let's just say.

So the cops want Nicole to accompany them to the bank to find out if there's been any unusual activity on Becky's bank account because Nicole, they share a bank account. So if Nicole says, hey, let me get all the statements and all that. That's what they were trying to do on the Internet. So they want to go to the bank and do that. First, she refuses. She says, I so they want to go to the bank and do that first she refuses she says i don't want to go to the bank she says i need to be home in case becky calls yeah and they're like we'll we'll leave people here don't worry like it's we'll we're not going to leave this place alone for a while we're going to stop monitoring the phones her parents are here and so are a bunch of cops to go to the bank we're good we don't need to

send everyone to the bank with you like it. We don't need to send everyone to the bank with you. Like it's some sort of clown car, stuff everyone in there. So after about 20 minutes, she finally agrees to go to the bank. Now, while all this is happening, she's supposed to be at a wake, remember. So Rose waited for her for a while and then just went to the wake because, fuck, she didn't go. When she's driving home from the wake, Nicole calls her to tell her that if you're pulled over by the police, you should deny knowing me or even having a MySpace account. What the fuck? You get pulled over. You don't know me. You never met me.

You've never been on MySpace. Fucking, you don't know shit. You don't know Tom. That's it. Tell your story walking and fucking take off. That's all there is to it. You don't know Tom. You never met fucking Tom.

You can't pick Tom out of a lineup so uh later though a little while later uh nicole calls again calls rose to apologize says that one of the neighbors had seen rose's car in the driveway and rose said well who the fuck cares what do you care you're a single what does that matter but uh nicole wouldn't tell her the significance of why that's important, both for the relationship and for police law enforcement here. So she tells Rose, Nicole tells Rose that if she's questioned by the police, she should say that she was out drinking with a friend on the night of March 15th. 15th obviously that friend is not nicole and left she left her car at nicole's house because she was too drunk to drive like she stopped by to drop her car off to get a ride with somebody else because she was too drunk because she's such a bad liar i see her doing this in the passenger seat of the cop car yeah listen no you say i gotta make a phone call if they pull you over you don't fucking

know me you don't know me oh me. How many cops heard that shit? Damn it. I'm bad at this. You've never been on MySpace. You hear that? Shit. Hollywood. Me.

No one that I'm friends with. Shit. Damn it. Now they're going to look at my thing. So this whole thing is a bad lie. So she also explains to Rose that she wants Rose to say these things because she's just trying to keep Rose from being involved but won't tell her in what. She just

says, I just don't want you to be involved. I want to keep you from being. I'm protecting you, Rose. So Rose is like, this is weird as fuck. So now she's the slimy car salesman from True Lies. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. All right. Sure. Rose is this. this yeah i don't

so you're gonna be a part of it i can't bring you into it that's exactly what it is all right i guess that's how it goes so march 17th 2007 uh this is the next day this is saturday uh police tell nicole that they want to search her house now. And now she refuses at this point. But the police keep saying, no, no, no, really. We'd like she's like, no, we're good. She just said, like, no, we don't have time for that. You guys really need to do other shit. And they're like, no, no, we can cover it.

We just we're going to take a look around and take a look. See, she's like, no, that's all right. And they're like, no, really, it's fine. We have plenty of time. And so they went back and forth for a while. And I love that. So it said in the court document is that she refused. But after the police persisted, she gave them consent.

What is persisted? That's a very broad term in terms of police. I'm sure it was. We're going to get a warrant. So I mean, it's your choice. Sounds polite. Persisted. It sounds like, no, I insist.

Insist. Persist sounds like insist. I insist. It's OK. We just really loved your crawl space. No, we'll leave the tip. Really. I insist.

I insist. So, yeah, the funny thing is the day before, the Friday when everybody was there, she had readily consented to search whatever the fuck you want. Go crazy, run around this bitch like nobody's business and search it up. Now, March 17th,th still this is the police finally they track down rose based on the car and they find rose and question her uh now uh she she'd been seen by the neighbor like we said she told them the police rose tells them that uh she didn't know nicole at all didn't have any personal relationship with her and doesn't have a MySpace.

She's stuck with it. She says she said exactly what Nicole told her to say. Wow. Now they kept interrogating her. She says that she told she's telling the truth. She went out. She went out and spent the evening with her friends and that and that's all it was. Then after further interrogation, she says, OK, fine.

Tell you what i went out the night before with nicole right but it's totally cool because nicole and becky klein are just friends and roommates so it doesn't matter i don't know why you're even questioning me what's the fucking difference okay yeah so this is she's about to grace would say bombshell tonight. So fucking lunatic. God, I can't stand her. She's the worst person ever. Once again, she'd love to get a hold of this because she'd be like, let's be. She'd be fucking making a huge godless women. She'd make more strap on jokes than us.

It would be fucking pathetic with zero smile. Just that. They wouldn't be funny either. That's the difference. Face. Yeah. She looks like a skinny Mimi from fucking, what is that show? The Drew Carey show.

The Drew Carey Cleveland show, whatever that's called. Yeah. All right. There you go. It's the Drew Carey show. It's the Drew Carey show. That's what she looks like. She looks like Mimi Lost Weight.

That's perfect. Fuck you, Nancy. Fuck you, Nancy Grace. I cannot stand Nancy Grace. Oh, pet peeve of mine. Her face looks like somebody stepped on a butterfly. Like, you know, it's just a fucking twisted up mess. I despise every thought that runs through her artificially blonde head.

Every single one that dances through it. Her tightly pulled back face. If she thinks of a sandwich that she wants for lunch, I probably hate that sandwich. Like, it's probably what I dislike. And if I don't, I do now. I do now. I sandwich like it's probably if i don't i do now i do now i don't want to say i don't want if she likes prosciutto you know what i'll take back everything i said about prosciutto fuck that take it all back prosciutto's terrible so back at the house now that's happening at the police station yeah back at the house they're still all at the

house investigating so this is all parallel. Nicole now indicates again. She says, I don't have keys to the trunk of the Mustang. They're like, we can get everywhere on the whole house. There's one place we can't get. Where's the keys to that? So another detective gets in the back seat of the Mustang. And he's like, well, we'll go through the fucking seat because you can take a car apart. Pretty.

They're made to come apart, especially those old couple of bolts. You can. Yeah. You pop those seats up, pop a new one in like nobody's business there so this guy uh goes through the back seat takes a speaker from the you know where the speakers go up there from the decklet exactly and pops that out and what does he see becky klein's body in the trunk of the mustang right there sitting right there in the garage uh it is lying she it's that's terrible she becky is lying on her side in the fetal position with both hands tied behind her back and there's a plastic bag over her head which is this is fucking terrible yeah that's a terrible

way to go out that's like a mob hit the worst part is that like the when the cop said we're just going to take a look in the trunk, and then the panic that must have run through her body. She must have shit her pants in front of them. I don't have keys to the trunk. They're like, we'll figure it out. She's probably like, no, no, it's the speakers, and you don't want to. There's wires.

You'll get a shock. Don't go back. Oh, fuck. How do you lie your way out of that one? Now, this is crazy. So they just spy her through the six by nine hole on the deck lid. that off so then they start digging a little further in there uh uh there's no so they start immediately the garage is the like they're looking at that as let's lock down this garage check everything they find no sign of forced entry into the garage to put that there uh uh she had

her hands and feet bound together with duct tape and the plastic bag over her head was also secured with duct tape around her neck. So this is like a terrible fucking like Colombian drug lord mob hit. Like this is fucking ridiculous. Now they get more sheriffs are in there, a forensic investigator. He says that he found the body there. He says that after he found the body, he said that he didn't tell the defense. This is the thing, too. He didn't tell Nicole about this.

He sees the body and plays it cool. Imagine popping a speaker off and seeing what I just described to you. A nice young lady bound by her hands and feet with duct tape with a fucking plastic bag overhead with two days of decomp on them too. So you popped that speaker off. You probably had a little bit of a scent coming from there also. You had to play that like you popped it off and nothing happened and you didn't see shit. Okay. Oh, nothing here.

You had to just be like, he had to just pop it off and be like, well, can't see into there through there. Like he literally, that's what he did. Not enough light. He did. That's what he did. He played it off. Like literally, that's what he did. Not enough light. He did. That's what he did. He played it off. And so he doesn't tell he goes back inside to Nicole and says, oh, yeah, man, we can't. It still can't get there through the speaker. He goes, I really, really would love that key to the trunk. And she says that she tells him that all the locks had been changed and that she doesn't have a key. Now, all of a sudden, for some reason, trunk locks have been changed, which makes no sense. So they do a search of the house.

They go get a warrant quick because, you know, they have a lot of cause. Sure. They get a warrant and they end up finding two sets of keys on an end table in the living room and a key in the dresser in a dresser in the master bedroom. These are all the keys they find in the house. One of the keys from the living room and the key from the dresser both fit the lock in the trunk oh so she had two right now trunk keys very readily available she had one on her key ring that she's just carrying around and then literally other just in case she the she had the most keys i've never had two keys to a trunk have you just to the trunk no because of the ignition key it's one of those old ones where the ignition and

the you got the square one yeah i used to have a shitty oldsmobile back in the day that had that yeah it was terrible god damn it thank god for technology one key with buttons all over that's it i had an 85 oldsmobile it was terrible cutlass yeah oh my god fucking terrible i had it for like 150 dollars come with a grill like in your mouth it was well it wasn't hooked up. That's a gangster-ass car. No, it was blue and I got it from my stepmother's father who was like 75 years old. It's an old guinea car.

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at truecar.com and now back to the show so that fits the fits the lock uh the set of keys uh from the living room uh also that key ring is identified by the sister here by uh becky's sister as as nicole's she's like oh those are nicole's keys she knows that she's there all the time there's a shitload of keys on it has like a fucking the tassel that goes around your neck that says Reebok or something. Yeah, there's all of it. So another sheriff here, deputies, he got fingerprints, pulled three latent fingerprints from the back of the Mustang that were all identified as coming from Nicole's left hand, which is a little bit damning. I mean, it's her car, I guess. Also, the crime lab compared the duct tape in the garage with the

duct tape found on the bag that covered becky's head and the characteristics of the tearing pattern indicated that they were a perfect match so that tape came from there again that's not circumstantial not great it's it sounds bad but if someone broke in and killed her and left the duct tape there then you know they would leave the duct tape there. Maybe they wouldn't take it with them. That's fine. Another computer crimes investigator, he goes in and says that he finds all of her shit here with the computer, that MySpace messages. All those out of context shitty messages.

Yeah. Oh, that's no fun. No, that's. shitty messages yeah that's oh that's no fun no that's well he finds out that she has the the screen names hollywood becky nyfd sam and tiff all are her so every one of them they're all her oh my she's got a bunch of different aliases catfish where she's talking to a bunch of different people yeah he this other this guy the the officer said that another, I'm sorry, another guy, a man had said he met the Becky character that she was on MySpace. They exchanged phone numbers and pictures and met in person on one occasion.

And he identified Nicole as Becky. Wow. Because Nicole said her name was Becky. So they met. So she's also meeting guys on the side too, which is super weird. What is she doing? There's a lot. Now there's text messages also they found text messages about uh she talks about to rose about her tendency to get drunk in spite of her diseased liver yeah she says uh that's the other thing

you're gonna tell somebody you just went and got a new liver yeah and then you're gonna go out getting shithouse drunk drinking the fucking mat shots and she's like hey i'm shrugging this is why i got the new liver listen you're not gonna use it why get it one life many livers you know what i'm saying that's my motto that i go for as many as i can get as i can get give me livers that's right on the hunt for livers unbelievable uh she's in these texts uh nicole referred to rose as baby and pretty girl all the time those were her pet names for uh nicole said that she loved and needed uh rose in these texts and said she wanted to get a new house so she and rose and some of rose's family could all live together

and some insane brady bunch what is this fucked Fucked up scenario. Also showed that Nicole presented herself as immediately unavailable. She would say that she's like either out of town or at firefighter training or at a shift on the fire at the firehouse because when you're in a relationship and you're cheating and the other person doesn't know it and they go, hey, you want to hang out? Want to go to dinner right now? Let's go pick blueberries. That person doesn't have their backstory set for two you want to hang out want to go to dinner right now let's go pick blueberries you have to that person doesn't have their backstory set for two days ago to get out of the house so they can't go right away so rather than going i'm stuck in the house

with my girlfriend she has to say i'm at firefighter training so that's fucking funny and now on march 15 2007 the text messages showed that rose was planning to go out with uh or that nicole was planning to go out with uh or that nicole was planning to go out with rose that evening and she was telling rose that she was on on a shift at the villa park firehouse and didn't think she could get off until about 7 30 which is funny because 7 20 was when the sister left and by eight o'clock becky's not answering phone calls so she she did plan something that is fucking fascinating she's texting this woman while she's planning to fucking hurt somebody she's like okay set up the party

sister leaves i'll kill her put her in the trunk real quick should be ready by eight i would think like seven seven thirty she drove there with the woman in her fucking trunk this is unbelievable this is fucking crazy and then gave her a key to it what the fuck said here's this car you should drive it around it's a kick-ass product with my dead wife present yeah is it product product with my dead wife in it drive it around holy shit yeah don't worry about that smell it's exhaust it's an old car wow uh this is fucking nuts also uh rose says talks about the myspace postings because now she's just open to the police telling them what she knows. All of her MySpace stuff was admitted into evidence.

MySpace messages to her from Sam, Tiff, Becky, NYFD. All of this originating from the same IP address that is Becky's IP address. The messages all showed that Nicole was basically she was she was acting like she was all of these other people who all also want Nicole yeah so she was like hey Rose you better back off because she's mine what she was trying to create a market for herself that is amazing she'd be like if we if we like you know where do we announced our tour yeah and we were like listen guys I mean there's only a thousand seats and there's already six thousand people that said they want him so i don't know if you can get it you better fucking hurry because like they're gone basically like everybody wants this shit she's creating demand that doesn't

exist she's creating demand so she should have went into marketing maybe she would have had a life here yeah she's got a terrible lie though because nobody refers to the new york fire department as nyfd it's all FDNY. You know what I mean? Yeah. This is post 9-11. Get it together, Nicole, you fucking dummy. Watch CNN once in a while.

Yeah, no shit. Well, that was just the screen name. Who knows if that person was an ignorant person. Maybe she was just like, you know, FDNY was taken already. There you go. The person who was in the firefighters. So she wanted to show multiple people are going for her. She said that she always had people hitting on her at bars is what she was telling her and all this type of thing.

The text in MySpace messages was like 70 pages of court documents. Wow. Insanity here. Now, another detective was investigating the computer crimes. He said that Nicole told him there were two computers in the house. computer crimes he said that uh nicole told him there were two computers in the house he she told him that uh she had used myspace in 2006 but it stopped using it because there was quote too many crazy people on it yeah which is the cat fucking kettle pot holy fuck everybody is black as night this is fucking crazy so uh yeah this is this is the sub Subaru calling the Birkenstock a lesbian. You know what I mean? This is fucking ridiculous.

So. Jesus Christ. Sorry, couldn't help it. This is the Birkenstock calling the flannel, calling the Subaru, calling the short haircut a dyke. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. Fucking insane. Jesus Christ.

That's amazing. Fucking insane. Jesus Christ. Good Christ. That's amazing. This detective said that he could tell that several websites have been recently accessed from Nicole's laptop, AOL, Yahoo, MySpace, and Craigslist. Outside of even Craigslist, because OfferUp's even... I mean...

That's like a 10... That's a time capsule of 10 years ago. AOL, she was even a little late to that party. So Nicole told this detective, the computer detective that uh rose was a friend that she met on myspace but she didn't remember rose's screen name so i could tell you that i don't even know who she would you know we can't find her who knows finally she said that she didn't have rose's phone number and didn't know how to contact her okay so she's been fucking her but i don't know how to get a hold of her i I send up the strap-on signal into the sky, and she races over.

And I give her cars. This is the weirdest bullshit. Guys with dead bodies. Yeah. So, also, this detective does a little more into this investigation, because he's doing computer and finances and everything. and everything. He learns that the roll of duct tape that was purchased, once you figure out serial number and all that, was purchased at a nearby Walgreens store at 7.34 p.m. She wasn't even prepared.

March 15th, 2007. Wow. She's like, run to Walgreens. They're still open. Boom. I could use some duct tape right now. What could I? I have plastic bags.

I save it for the dog shit, so I have those. So that's fine. The Target ones are pretty big. I think her head will fit in there but uh duct tape walgreens perfect everything walgreens have duct tape they have duct tape uh another uh one of the neighbors here a ralph uh sad sad i don't even fucking doesn't matter neighbor ralph who cares honestly he's just a witness he testifies later on that he met rose before and knew what her car looked like that's why he knew her car was there the night before because they're like

oh it's that rose's girl's car when the cops say ask the police if anybody's been around uh he says that he'd seen the car in the driveway all night that night and it was here all damn night till noon the next day he had some other things he wanted to say those those girls get more pussy than me let me tell you you something. My telescope works great. You guys like to come inside for a minute? I live right, did I mention right across the street from these people? My window goes right in theirs. Yeah.

He says he woke up early that morning on March 16th and went to Dunkin' Donuts, which again, at 6.45 a.m. After taking a gander through that window. After taking a gander, fogging up the window. Saying some creepy shit. Oh boy, that is rad. So he gets back by 7 a.m., he says, and by that time, the white van was parked in the driveway by Rose's vehicle.

And then another neighbor says that he left his house at 830 a.m. and saw a black SUV, which is Rose's parked in the driveway, but didn't see any other vehicles there. So sometime when they woke up in the morning, Nicole realized, shit, I better go move that car. So she Rose went back to sleep. Nicole went out, moved the van around the corner, came back in, went back to sleep next to her.

Wow. And then they woke up eventually and started watching tv and getting fucking phone calls what a day what a goddamn day uh so he says he didn't see any other vehicles he said but then when he returned home at 10 30 he saw the van parked on the corner next to his house so it got moved uh so uh they also said that uh uh the the new york and Villa Park fire departments said that they have never employed Nicole as a firefighter in either one of these cities. They asked them. A representative of the American General Insurance Company also said that Becky and Nicole were both insured with their company for $125,000, with each woman being the beneficiary of the other's policy. And another one, Protective Life Corporation, they say that they have a policy in for Becky where she is insured for two hundred fifty thousand dollars with Nicole being the beneficiary. So that's three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars worth of life insurance that Nicole is set to collect.

That'll buy somebody a nice house for their family. I would say. And their girlfriend's family and everybody. And wow. So DNA comes into this. Tamara Camp, who's a DNA expert, she says that they found two profiles of DNA that were on bandanas that were tied around Becky's eyes and mouth once they got the bag off, which I didn't want to bring.

It was bad enough before. I'd save that detail. But yeah, had her tied up like you know like you would kidnap like a hostage hands behind the back tied up and then just put a bag over her head man vicious way to kill that's fucking especially somebody you know that's a way you would kill someone that like fucking like that liam neeson hunted down because they killed his daughter or something that's how you would do it. Like fucking as vicious as possible. This is that's personal, man.

That's bad stuff. Now, they do DNA on these bandanas and they find out that the major contributor of DNA is Becky with some blood and some, you know, everything that was in her mouth. And the minor contributor is Nicole. Of course. Of course it is. It's Nicole. A little bit of sweat. a little bit of sweat there and uh fingerprint expert here testifies that most of the palm prints on the plastic bag that covered becky's head all match uh all match nicole's palm print

she's such a dipshit several of their of her fingerprints match those taken from the bottom of the plastic bag also where you would pull it over someone yeah so this is uh looking bad here uh autopsy said there was no outward signs of injury no dirt or debris inside the plastic bag that covered her head uh so you know she wasn't that's the murder weapon she wasn't out the plastic bag was a murder oh my god she died of suffocation get the fuck out suffocation from the plastic in the oh where was it? This is fucking horrible. Well, they can't tell that there's no blood. They said that it was the bag had been tied tightly enough so that no air could have gotten through at all. So it was definitely suffocation. And he had her hands tied behind her back so she couldn't free herself.

The state of digestion of the contents of Becky's stomach indicated that she had died within an hour and a half after she had eaten, which is exactly they said they stopped at 615 doing the party stuff to eat. So it's exactly perfect. She's killed between 730 and eight and then time to have a party. You've got a night out bowling. I wonder why she got so shit. So they arrest Nicole. Obviously, they're not going to seek the death penalty, they say right away. I think it's a woman and it's too weird, I think.

They're like, we don't know what the fuck to do with this. This is complicated. This is complicated and we're going to look bad in some way, whether we're against women or lesbians or something. It just looks bad to do that, which I guess is sort of discriminatory, honestly. But it makes sense. It's discriminatory both ways. You know what I mean? sort of discriminatory honestly but it makes sense it's discriminatory both ways you know what i mean it's pretty scary to go after a woman i'm not good enough to kill what the fuck yeah but it's also like uh yeah we can't kill a woman well why why the fuck not this is crazy uh she has a one million dollar bond that she has here uh she

had been she uh says that she wants to live with her father in oak lawn and uh all this sort of shit uh march 23rd 2007 uh is when she's officially charged it's first degree murder and concealment of a homicide which is all bad uh the actual official uh charges are uh five counts of first degree murder because there's different things that go with it. And one count of concealment of a homicidal death. She pled not guilty to all of this. Prosecutors also are now investigating a bunch of recent cash transactions between the bank accounts of Klein and Nicole and all of this and also the insurance policy and all this crazy shit.

State's attorney, Tim Diamond, told the judge that police are continuing to investigate all this and kind of hold off because there's a lot more evidence coming. Now, their defense for this is that it would be physically impossible because of Nicole's size and health problems that she could do this. They said that Nicole is 5'2", about 115 pounds, and in remission from liver cancer. They actually say that in court. But she's been drinking so much Ovaltine.

She is so strong. She's feeling good. She's got loft. Here she comes. And they also said she has a back that prohibits her from lifting more than 20 to 30 pounds or anything bigger than like a small child, which I hope she's not lifting any children.

They said, quote, Nicole never could have carried Klein to the car and lifted her. OK, Olson. Well, that's what we have a rough theory on this one. Now, this guy also disputed the financial motive, saying that they had life insurance policies on each other and a home they bought together and that the bank transactions mentioned were actually a result of the couple moving their accounts from the Lamont area where they previously lived to now the Villa Park area and changing banks. That's what the big deal was. The prosecutor says that Nicole spent an evening with that night with an acquaintance, as we

know, is Rose. He said that also police found some marijuana in the house and there was also uh evidence that nicole abused prescription drugs because there were several uh drugs there that she shouldn't have had basically is and pills that she shouldn't have had uh now this uh her her lawyer tells reporters that becky bought the duct tape herself becky was the one who bought the duct tape and that both women handled it while they were packing away holiday decorations. At 734, you bought it. Is that what happened? Because he also said he was also mad.

This lawyer that the police held Nicole for five days from Saturday to Wednesday without charging her. Well, I mean, you got to make sure you found a body in her car trunk. So you're going to take her in at that point and then you're going to figure out exactly what she did. So it makes sense. I think that's still speedy. If there's ever a body in my trunk and the cops hold me for five days and then release me with no charges. I got no complaints. That's fine.

We're good. We're happy. We're square. Especially if I killed someone and put them in my fucking trunk. So her her family members declined to give any comment. They said that she appeared shaken and close to tears in court. Nicole did. And she repeatedly turned to her attorneys and appeared to dispute allegations.

She turned and bitched about things. Remember O.J. Stoic, man. Her attorneys said that she is absolutely innocent. Her attorney says, quote quote she wants to get out of jail and find out who did this to her partner of seven years and to spend to especially attend becky's funeral where i'm sure she's going to be very welcome she is oj yeah this woman is oj simpson it's fucking insane here uh he's his arthritis he could have never done that it's the same thing uh they also said that nico Nicole's family is trying to raise the hundred thousand dollars cash to bail her out of jail.

And numerous family members were in court supporting her several in tears. Why? They have no idea. What are they doing? They also a judge signed an order forbidding Nicole from using her and Becky's joint financial assets to either to bond herself out or to pay for a legal defense. OK. Basically, everything she has is gone. She can't use a fucking thing.

It's all seized. Yeah. Now, March 24th, 2007, Robert Edwards, a 40-year-old man from Elk Grove, Illinois, is charged with obstruction of justice for lying about being in the home on the night of the murder. Really? Yeah. I wonder who could have picked her up and put her in the trunk. You know, that's another

good point. Why does anybody believe that she was a firefighter at 5'1"? Well, I guess if she's a bad, she could probably do it. I'm sure there are some that are that big. I have no idea what the physical requirements are for firefighting. You couldn't have a terrible back and liver cancer probably and be tiny. If you add all those

in together, it's going to be hard to carry a victim out. That's my point. I'm not even that that big but i'm pretty sure if i'm stuck in a burning building and someone five one comes to get me out we're both dying in that building sarah comes to get you you're in trouble we're both that exact size of five one hundred fifteen pounds you be like oh pretty well fucked in yeah everyone's dying where are the big guys you're gonna die on top of her and she's just gasps for breath under there. Help, get off me. So he is charged with obstruction of justice.

State's attorney here says that he worked with Nicole at a company that sells and installs security cameras. That's what she was doing for a living. was doing for a living they said that edwards this is the man robert edwards was at nicole's home at in via park in villa park when uh when they arrived to investigate i left him out for this he was there he was there too uh helping out uh he he was also charged because he lied to police about his whereabouts the night klein was murdered uh so bail is set very very high they said because it's a murder investigation on him because he's got a high bail too i think he said he was he said he was out having fun or doing something but he was you know not killing people that's you know how that goes where were you last i said i

said i'm not killing people you know i was just out just hanging just out having beers you know killing people nobody dying around me nothing like that now 5th, 2007, bail is cut in half for him, for Edwards here, for some reason. They said, quote, if there are new charges in the future, we'll deal with them. And the judge reduced it from a million to 500,000 for the bond. Here, they said, they talk

about, quote, material similar to the bandana material were found in Klein's home and Edwards' Elk Grove Village home. Really? They found similar bandanas there. Quote, we have probable cause to charge him with first degree murder, but we don't want to rush our investigation or decision.

So now they're saying that he definitely participated a lot. And those are probably his bandanas, as a matter of fact, which is a big difference of he might have been there. They say that he lied to them about his whereabouts, all of that sort of thing. Also, they take his computer. They claim that he was signed onto a computer in his home, and they said, quote, it appears that when he was on the computer, he deleted his items. So he basically, when he knew the cops were after him, he went in and cleaned his computer, or thought he did. He deleted whatever he could. That doesn't work sir no it doesn't and uh forensic if you

don't build computers you can't delete shit you don't know how to fucking do that you still know these forensic computer people know how to find shit and they said this is his home you know raiding his home resulted in the seizure of a couple computers and the bandanas uh also they said they stopped him on march 17th for speeding and in the report uh this is before the body had been found and they knew anything about him before in that report the police said that he seemed to be quote very nervous just in a regular speeding report which is interesting uh he said he hopes to be able to secure the $50,000 to get out of jail. Now, April 6, 2007, this is getting weirder and weirder.

Now, Becky's family claims that Nicole's family have come in and taken personal items from the house illegally. Nicole's family did that. Nicole's family did that, according to Becky's family. They said that they want to have the items returned. They said they include family heirlooms and furniture and it was taken on March 25th by Nicole's family and obviously that's not okay.

Their family attorney said, quote, the home is nothing but empty space now. They cleaned it out. The motion asked for monetary value, but what they really want are these items back. How can we put a dollar value on family heirlooms? Which makes sense, but I'm sure they sold everything they could for this defense and all that shit. Later, the judge ends up saying that later on he's going to hold, purses, a family hope chest, a family quilt, refurbished wooden icebox.

It was like an antique, an antique washboard, a video camera, which was expensive in 2007, and assorted furniture and ceramic ornaments. Family attorney said, quote, Becky's stuff is all gone. Money is a poor substitute for these items. That is fucked up. All we want is our items back. And what they really want is their daughter back. And they just erased her from the planet. No, absolutely. That's what they effectively

did by taking all her shit. That's fucked up, man. During this time, Nicole makes bail. So she's out. She's on home confinement in her father's house. She's not allowed to leave unless she goes to court. After selling all Becky's shit. That's all she's allowed to do. It's amazing that they let her father's house. She's not allowed to leave unless she goes to court. That's it. After selling all Becky's shit. That's all she's allowed to do. It's amazing that they let her out.

That's fucking wild. Jewelry, too. It's sold to jewelry, all that shit. September 2007, this is a couple months later now, a few months later, state investigators or state prosecutors here say that they had an original charge on Edwards that say that he lied to police to hinder the prosecution of all of this. And he was charged with and now they have new indictments. And in these indictments, there's a grand jury. They announced that Edwards lied to police,

quote, with the intent to obstruct the prosecution of himself for the murder. So now it's a different thing. Now it's a different prosecution. Now it's like a what they stuck on Ray Lewis kind of a thing, like you're kind of saying he's in it too uh this indictment focuses on the allegation that he told police that he was in an elf elk grove get a village getting a haircut march 15th when police believe he was meeting with nicole uh the two knew each other from work like we said uh Now his attorney said that he denies all charges and he says that his client was not involved with the murder.

The trial on the original charges here, now they have a new one, so it's going to be a different deal here. He's probably looking at one to three years in prison. Each obstruction charge carries a sentence of one to three years in prison while a first degree murder charge is 20 to 60 years in prison.

So they're waiting to see if they're going to charge him with murder or if he's going to get dinged for a fucking year in the joint. I thought you were going to say he was somewhere getting a hand job. He's getting a hand job. But even still, how long does a haircut take? How long does a hand job take? Hand jobs, haircuts, same distance. It takes about the same time.

Yeah, probably. Well, if someone's not good at one of them. Yeah, right, right, right. So May 6, 2008, this is the next year uh uh she uh uh nicole who's been out on bail is now returned to the jail after leaving her apartment in violation of the one million dollar bail idiot uh she was on home confinement and she was uh ordered to be held until a hearing in the next week. She's accused of leaving the apartment and entering a family member's home next door, which she's not allowed to do. The attorney said that a detective saw her leave her apartment and photographed her.

And he staked her out. Staked her out. They were watching her. He says that he's seeking to have her bail revoked and to have her held until trial which still hasn't been scheduled uh the hearing the next week she gets to go out still really they don't they don't keep her in jail she's out at her dad's house the entire time uh which is fucking amazing here now uh november 6 2008 uh edwards has got his whole thing going on here he told police police initially that they were just casual work friends who hadn't seen each other in three weeks before the murders.

Then they said, well, that's funny. Your fucking phone records show 50 phone calls between the two of you in that time period. There's an interrogation that's videotaped that they show to the jury in his trial with him. He's confronted with the phone records. Finally, they're like, it's like heated. They're yelling at each other back and forth. finally they're like phone records you fucking moron don't you realize things have trails and uh he at that point said okay tell you what uh me and nicole we're drug friends we do fucking pills and shit and we're drug buddies is what he called it

drug buddies and he said they also, shared wild sex fantasies. Wild sex fantasies. I don't know, like maybe involving dead people and duct tape. We don't know. But who knows if that was part of it. They needed to fucking, who the fuck knows. That's bananas. But that's the shit they were into or weird shit like that, apparently.

He's trying to double team a chick with her. Yeah, that's what it is. He has no physical, or maybe they both were like, wouldn't it be cool to fuck with a body next to us you know what i mean who the fuck knows there's no physical evidence linking him to the killing other than the bandanas that might have been his but there's no none of his dna exactly but definitely he's definitely circumstantially involved in some way uh he faces up to three years in prison. Oh, by the way, while this is going on, he in a separate case, once they seized his computer for this investigation, they also found child pornography. Oh, no. So he's also in charge with possession of child pornography.

What a scumbag. In addition to this, this guy's the ultimate piece of shit. Yeah. This is why I don't trust anyone to install a security camera in your house, because they're going to send over literally a guy, a fucking pedophile who helps lesbians murder their partners. He's going to send a live stream from your nursery into his fucking bedroom.

That's what I mean. Don't trust these motherfuckers at all. Now, March 20th, 2009, Nicole files a motion in court to try to have all of the MySpace and text message evidence wiped out of the trial. She doesn't want any of that shit coming forward. Well, yeah, she tried her hardest. She pulled the plug, James. They're saying it's not relevant. Like, that's not relevant. What are you talking

about? Taking it all out of context. That's what I mean. The state argues, obviously, that that was her motive for killing her was that she wanted to start a new life with this younger woman, which is what she basically said. But who knows how many people she was saying that to. April 9th, 2009, she's in court. She's denying the charges, obviously. This is the motion of the text messages and all that shit. The judge says that generally statements showing that a person wanted to end a relationship

would be deemed irrelevant evidence of motive, which is true, especially if there's no evidence that she had tried to end it in any other way. It's not like, oh, they were talking about it for the last month and maybe it would have happened here. So the court ended up determining that the state should identify the messages it intended to introduce and then the defendant could renew the new motion and then they could fucking argue about that. So they eventually whittle it down to a bunch

and the trial finally starts on April 20th, 2009, more than two years after Becky's dead here. Opening statements, prosecutors say they will introduce evidence that the defendant killed Becky after the romantic relationship deteriorated and she had a desire to start a new life with a different woman. They suggest the motive of not only the new new life, but the three hundred seventy five thousand dollars.

The prosecutor says, was it money, the love for another woman? Probably both. If you get rid of Becky, you can have the money and the girl. Your love can move in. That's what he tells the jury. He says and he also says that, you know, you're going to meet the other woman. We're going to parade her out and you all can have 20 year old lesbian fantasies about that and all you fucking weirdos in the jury if any of you are perverts you got that for you uh now she said

he also says this is hardcore for a jury he says quote the night the night uh becky was slain nicole quote uh becky's quote her life partner love of her life, had gone bowling and was at a bar drinking shots before inviting another woman to spend the night at their home. So he's trying to make her out to be a real scumbag. And it's not that hard to do. Then he also goes, talks about how while they were in the spending the night together in the house, having sex, having fun, doing all this. Becky was already hogtied and suffocated in the trunk of the fucking car wow so they you know the whole time she's been dead she's been dead while she went out they fuck all this happened while she's dead her parents are looking for her

she's in the fucking garage wow this is crazy uh defense attorney in his opening remarks here he said that they had a good relationship an unconventional one he says they allowed a third party into their relationship with certain rules as long as their relationship remained a priority. This was not your normal relationship and normal faithfulness. There is some evidence that this is possibly true of the openness of this. Remember I said they kissed at a party? Nicole and Rose, Becky was at that party and there.

And so she saw it. So she saw it and was aware of it. Other people saw it and shouldn't seem to have a problem with it. That doesn't constitute... What, that we're drunk at a party? Who the fuck knows if that was like... That also doesn't constitute fucking. I know a lot of dudes that don't mind their wife kissing dudes.

Oh, kissing dudes? Yeah, kissing other dudes or kissing other chicks or whatever. And other chicks, yeah, that I've seen. But I've never seen, like, you kiss on that dude before. I've seen chicks kiss on dudes before. The difference is, like... Don't kiss my that dude before. I've seen chicks kiss on dudes before. The difference is like. Don't kiss my wife, dudes. Put it that way.

I'll hit you. The difference is like they go back home with that woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like just stop trying to get more. Get one and hang on to it. Yeah. Just one partner at a time, you fucking lunatics. It never goes well.

Yeah. No, it doesn't. Have you ever seen somebody with a threesome in their house and it fucking works out forever? Not usually. Never works. It doesn't end up. Never works. That's going to end up.

Sides will be taken. Yeah. Now, the defense is also trying to say that not only is there an open relationship and all that, but that this whole thing is persecution because of her, you know, she's because of her sexuality and because of everything else he says quote uh abu sharif lied and covered up for rose because she didn't believe uh people would understand the nature of their relationship uh that was a fear he said that uh it was confirmed because he said the first officer to arrive after she was reported missing said quote what is this

the jerry springer show well yeah there's families and this one and that one and fucking lesbian someone threw a chair at someone it sounds like the jerry springer show so anyway the jury trial starts april 29th uh the sister testifies to everything you think that asshole's name has been brought up in a courtroom how fucking depressing must that be it is whenever there's chaos and white trashery it's the jerry springer show like your name is attached to pan handle behavior any pan handle behavior that takes place that's the jerry springer show it used to be the richard bay show and then this fuck wrote a check to a prostitute and now he's a tv guy there you go what the fuck for a minute it was ricky lake too and then she started being in movies again and i think and then went away i don't know what the hell she did so anyway uh she she said uh

the the sister testifies to everything that happened obviously uh she said that nicole told her she didn't have a key to the trunk either uh the juror the prosecutors told the jury about the text messages sent in the months up to the everything we talked about with that they also say that nicole uh had never been a firefighter in her life, even though she said that. She said that she told Rose in a text message that she's in poor health, and if this liver transplant doesn't take and she dies, she wants her casket to have a firefighter symbol on it. Oh, my God. She told her all that shit. Rose testifies about getting the key from the Mustang.

She testifies that Nicole led her to believe that Becky was just her roommate, had no idea that they were together. And then she would have to go through and take all the pictures down. And she had to prep when she brought this woman over. That's crazy. I just thought about that. What does that entail? The amount of work it takes to keep that.

But she's a bad liar. You know what? Rose is just young and naive. I don't want to call her dumb, but she is so blinded that she wants this to work she probably just ignored a lot of shit too that's the other thing the woman's a terrible liar there's no way she set that house up for a year right there's no way she set that shit up like they were just roommates no absolutely not well they also set up here that they say it would be physical and physically impossible for nicole to overpower klein and they don't bring edwards up in this

trial really it's weird man it, because they're separate things. Interesting. It's super weird. Another, her doctor testifies for the defense that she suffers from arthritis in her back and received treatment for pain in November 2006, which included steroids and things in her spine. And that in January 2007,

she underwent surgery to get rid of her pain and after surgery she continued to complain of pain and numbness in her leg and that was the liver got it so instead of she was having a minor back surgery not a liver transplant she's 26 and has a fucked up back that bad surgeries they said that the defense said that it wasn't surprising that her fingerprints were all over the crime scene since they were in the midst of repacking holiday decorations. It's March 15th. Right. They were packing them up now.

What holiday? Fucking Valentine's Day? St. Patty's Day. We're taking it all. We're getting it out. It's in two days. The defense here also says that their big thing is Nicole's the one who called 911 to say she disappeared. Well, yeah.

So she looks fucking more innocent. That's not. How many times do you hear every time, every episode of Dateline, the murderer is the person doing the 911 call every time. Oh, my wife. I don't know. She's not moving. And you're like, yeah, he's full of shit.

They find out later that, you know, you show up and the guy isn't even wet and she's in the bathtub. That's definitely May 1st. There's been. He is all wet. she's in the bathtub that's definitely uh may 1st uh there's been or he is all wet he's he's all wet may 1st after a shitload of trial obviously uh 30 witnesses 150 pieces of physical evidence uh finally nicole takes the stand for four hours in her own defense which is crazy she admits she's a liar she says no i'm a liar we know we know we know honey we know but she denied being a killer she

says she had nothing to do with her partner's death uh she said that she said how they met they met when uh she was 19 and becky was 25 uh becky was her boss and was engaged to be married at the time to a man and uh following a work-related christmas party they began a lesbian relationship awesome which a christ Christmas party lesbian switchover was fucking hot probably I'm sorry to sound like a just a douchey dude but I'm sorry that's like a drunken Christmas there was Santa hats on him and shit that's pretty sexy how much does her ex-husband hate Christmas now though oh man he liked that Christmas he liked that Christmas until until she leaves him he's like this is a great Chris now he looks at that card and he's like man why did i take a picture of them kissing this is just gonna hurt me

he said uh they started to rent a house together and then they uh ended up purchasing a house together she you know talks about all of that she talks about uh she was shot in the stomach she says in 2006 why she was shot we don't know and the exit wound left her with recurring back problems that's what happened this is crazy also she said in 2006 she fell at work and injured her back again and then in february 2007 she slipped on some ice she said on good days she could only lift 40 pounds and on bad days she couldn't lift anything her doctor advised her to never lift anything over uh 25 pounds becky weighed 162 pounds at the time of her death. Nicole also testified she loved Becky. She said they had an open relationship and that Becky did not object to Rose being in there as

long as certain rules were followed. They said for the last year they've had an open relationship because she wanted to. She said Becky wanted to have children, but she didn't feel ready for the responsibility. So she said she wanted to kind of mess around for a while get it out of her system then they'd have kids which is bullshit she sounds like a dude like that's a guy thing to say she said that she never hit her myspace communications from becky and becky was free to read any of her accounts anytime she wanted which sounds like bullshit she also uh she talks about how they met at how she met Rose and all that kind of thing. She said that she said that the night of the murder and the night that Becky died, her sister, Becky's sister, came over to help prepare for the birthday party that will be held at the house the next day. She's got a birthday party.

And then Nicole is awake to go to the next day. So very odd. She can't wear the same outfit to both. You know what I mean? So she says that the sister left 715 or 720. And after that, Becky went to Walgreens to buy duct tape as they were going to put away some of the Christmas decorations that were in the garage. She's involving duct tape garage, trying to put it together. She said as the victim here, Becky packed the items into plastic bins that uh that nicole tore off strips of duct tape

uh for becky to use for that they said while they were in the garage that uh nicole was texting and making plans to see rose and that becky was irritated by this because she wanted nicole to stay and help her with this shit and uh when nicole started getting ready to go out that uh they said that uh they said that Becky said that she might stay at their sister's house that night and all that sort of thing. Now, Nicole says she she took a shower and then she didn't see Becky in the house again and assumed she was either in the garage or over at her sister's house. So she's just saying her theory is I took a shower. Someone broke in. Something happened and they stuffed

her in the trunk by the time I got out of the shower I went out that night no clue that's a timeline that's a fucking timeline right there I would say she goes over her evening obviously all the shit we know about the bowling and the drinking she talks about the van she gives pretty detailed testimony of

shit that's not disputable like well I saw the van that night looks like yeah so did rose so she's kind of corroborating other people's testimony of setting it up so she's like look i'm in line with everybody else's shit it's just in my timeline i don't kill her right that's the only difference here so uh yeah that's that's what she says she describes calling 9-1-1 uh she says she initially refused to let the police search her house on that Saturday because she had spoken with her father and her father told her not to speak with anyone and to get a lawyer and don't let anyone look around. Now, at this point, she wasn't under arrest. Her girlfriend was missing. So she should be happy to talk to police and help them find her for a fucking girlfriend.

So she said eventually she allowed the police to search despite her father's advice uh so that's how that all went uh she repeatedly admitted to lying to the police family and friends about the fact that she spent spent the night with rose the night before but she only did so to avoid having to expose intimate details about her open relationship with becky she says she didn't want to embarrass becky she says quote i was protecting becky even though she's dead i wanted to protect her name it's nobody's business what we did behind bedroom doors no it's not but if there's a murder investigation then it's a lot of people's business what happened protecting becky is fucking giving every information piece that you know so they can fucking find her so they can find her protect her by making make her alive that's the best way

to protect her also under cross-examination she admits to profiting in eight earlier insurance claims ranging from auto accidents to workers compensation that's how she got the mustang by the way she also admitted several other lies. She said to explain online chats with Rose in which Nicole said she was a hero New York firefighter during the September 11th terrorist attacks. Wow. So that looks bad in front of a jury. She also said she had cancer. And then she said, yeah, I told her that. But that was just a fantasy game that they played.

Firefighter with cancer. I play that fantasy all the time. Isn't it hot? game that they play firefighter with cancer i play that fantasy all the time how many times have you been getting down with a lady and you're like want to play cancer firefighter and like fuck yeah fuck yeah stick that chemo dick in me mother yeah that's right put that helmet on colostomy bag hit me with it hit me with your hose big man no it's terrible so closing arguments here they say uh the state the state's attorney says, quote, this is don't pull my hair.

It'll fall out. Please. You know that I'm keeping everyone that was over the line. So he says, quote, this is a classic case of a married person carrying on a clandestine affair. Attacking a gay lifestyle has no place in this case. This is just like a husband with a 20 year old mistress and his dead wife in the trunk of his car.

If there's ever a way to break it down. Beautiful. Hey, it'sold mistress and his dead wife in the trunk of his car. If there's ever a way to break it down simple. Hey, it's just like this with a wife in a trunk of a car. Ba-da-ba-da. Ba-da-boom. Ba-da-bing. And we're out of here. Defense attorney said that police never proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. There's just no other thing that could happen.

He also said the only explanation for the crime, this is the defense attorney, is, quote, someone came and god knows what they were looking for this crime was a tragedy but it would be another tragedy to convict an innocent person so he said someone came and god knows why and then just just happened somebody came and they were in the garage looking for christmas ornament and wouldn't you know it happened upon a woman let us pray so the the verdict here, May 5th, 2009, Jeff and Marilyn Klein, the parents of Becky and her older sister, Melanie, and a ton of other relatives and friends are all there and everybody's been there the whole time.

They say she is called by the defense or by the prosecutor, quote, Becky is, quote, a flower and guards garden on earth and called Nicole, quote, the bottom of the barrel. Holy shit. He made a description. He really set them apart. A flower in God's garden on earth. On earth, yeah. And she is the bottom of the barrel.

The other one is bottom of the barrel. So during this, Nicole chooses not to address the judge. If opposites didn't attract, James, this is a fucking, this is a conundrum then. This is, yeah, that's what I mean. This is a very... Why would they be together if opposites didn't attract? There you go. This is amazing.

In everything, in every way, shape, and form, opposites are there. I wonder if she was making Becky get her pills from the old people. Probably. That's something. I don't know if Becky would do that, though. No, Becky was a good person. She was a good person from everything I've heard here. So,

bottom of the barrel here, she chooses, Nicole does not to address the judge, which seems like a dumb call. Always stupid. Her attorneys are seeking a 20-year term and says she maintains her innocence, but if she does get convicted, they hope it's a 20-year term. So, the judge

here says that he has no doubt that nicole killed klein uh saying that her fingerprints were found on plastic bags and uh the tape on the binding of the victim here uh so she's convicted on this count she's convicted of murder uh now sentencing comes up and the judge here uh consilla is his name he says quote it was her hand that was on becky's head when head when Becky breathed her last. Quote, beyond the beyond the ken of the court's understanding, he says. And then he says, you, ma'am, may fuck off. Yeah.

You are sentenced to 50 years in prison. Jesus. And she will be required to serve 100 percent of her sentence before she's eligible for parole. That is 50 fucking years. She's going to be in her 80ss she just got slammed a fucking uh a grant path take that motherfucker good riddance wow that's rough people don't live that long in prison that's right yeah she's she's going on you know she'll be 78 when she gets out at that point it's high calorie food though well yeah and it's a sedentary lifestyle so uh oh she gained a lot of weight to imprison she she was 115 when she went in i'll tell you about at the end of what she is now but

she gained a lot of weight and uh her family too yeah that food is so high in calories uh well yeah it's not like healthy shit no it's just shit to clog your calories just to make you survive yeah becky's family here said they spent two years trying to figure out how they could have been taken in by Nicole. They said, quote, Nicole was someone we trusted. She duped and misled all of us. They say at family dinners, they sometimes just stare at the seat that Becky used to occupy. It's horrible. The father said, quote, the biggest part is over, but it will never be over because she'll never be here.

There's an appeal in 2011 and uh pretty much everybody it's just go fuck yourself it's all ridiculous her appeals are asinine it's based on the text in the myspace messages is her main appeal and they shouldn't have let that in whatever they said yeah it doesn't matter duct tape fingerprints fuck you fuck you even without that you'd still get convicted now there's a big blog about this case that I found and a couple of the comments on the blog. As you know, I like I love arguing commenters more than anything. So let's take a peek at an argument here, shall we? It should be tame from a lesbian love triangle murder, right?

OK, first one. Quote to the family and friends of Becky. I'm a family member of Nicole. I'm sorry for your loss of a great person. I'm no one to judge anyone. I hope no one will loss of a great person. I'm no one to judge anyone. I hope no one will judge Nicole before her time. She's a very good person. I'm Nicole's uncle, and I believe she's not the person or people connected to this crime.

She's a very loving person, and everyone loves her. I have not seen her in quite, spelled quit, a while, but I do believe she is still the little girl I used to know. I feel she needs to be heard and not be judged by the news on TV. Please give her a chance and listen to everything before you make up your minds. My heart goes out to the people whom it may concern. You know, progressive is a great stance to take unless you're defending a fucking murderer. That's super progressive, sir. He ends it loving our uncle from arkansas now there's

the response to that the next day quote nicole is a liar it is very clear she had everything to do with this disgusting act that was clear in court by her own words and lies god bless the family of becky and all those family members of both families who were not involved in this horrific act justice will come soon may god give all of you peace. Next one. Quote, I met Nicole online and she also told me the lies she told her lover about being a New York firefighter. She never mentioned she was in a relationship. We stopped talking years ago. I'm sorry for the family of Becky Klein.

It's a sad story and I hope that if Nicole did it, she gets put away. This was after she was already convicted, by the way. Next one, because this is all logical. Next one is, quote,le you killed rebecca for money and to strengthen a lesbian relationship i don't know what that means god said those that makes the getting money part worse to this yeah absolutely god said those who continually thirst for money slash wealth their desire will never be quenched you should have made wisdom your sister proverbs chapter one and you could have avoided tricks and wiles of the devil. And then he gives some other horse shit. The few

minutes to read this message from God's holy word and verses 50 years you will spend in prison would have been worth the time. The devil set up a trap of greed and lust and you took the bait. You have ruined the lives of so many people. God said there is no saving beyond the grave. You had better acknowledge your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ while the blood is still flowing warm in your My God. And he goes on. Signed Uncle Rupert. Who the hell is this guy? It is more transparent that Satan had taken complete control of you mentally.

A lying tongue, capitalized. Three exclamation points. Your ability to lie at will is incredible in this society killing a black woman is one thing killing a well-loved white woman is something else even if it is white on white crime god god destroyed sodom and gomorrah due to lesbian relationships in the general interpretation of his holy word you danced and there's a fucking the emoji of the woman in the red dress dancing to satan's music you danced to satan's music with a fucking emoji of a joyous woman which led you to uh which which led you to a terrible breakdown once caught in the devil's lair like eve he's not going to let you go you must deal with the consequences of your despicable actions may god bless all the family's concern and the next comment is just wow so the smartest

person in that whole street i'm shocked that father o'reilly didn't give the services that he's going to be what an asshole proselytizing what a fucking hell god no you're an idiot as soon as he said to strengthen a lesbian relationship, you knew God was coming. You knew it was coming up. And what's the difference between a black woman and a white woman? He was saying that's another thing. It's a higher crime to kill a woman. I don't know if he was making a comment on society and how they don't value dead black women,

or if he was saying, fucking, they don't have any value. I don't know what he was trying to say. But Nicole, she's number r84824 she's in apparently the uh it says the logan correctional center i don't know where that is there somewhere in illinois she's up to about 182 pounds on her thing here so she's put on some pounds in prison and probably to defend herself she should uh she uh she's got some tattoos i don't know if she got those in prison or not. But her her discharge date is March 20th, 2062. So, wow. Look forward to that one, because that's a fucking long way away.

Way, way out there. Now, good little bit of good news. Becky's program about working with the people with disabilities. She'd been instrumental in starting this program, which has now been named in her honor. The program is renamed the Becky Klein Adult Care Program in her honor. There's a fund established also, and you can send donations there. I think it's still open if you ever wanted to. It's Services in Motion, NFP, Care of Marilyn Lesak, L-E-S-A-K, 26 West 137 Prestwick Lane in Winfield, Illinois

60188. And if you message us if you actually want to do that, we'll hit you up with that address. So that's nice. Becky did a nice thing and met with a terrible fucking end. Holy shit. Poor Becky. That's depressing as fuck. I can't fucking grasp it. The amount of lies

that that woman had to balance. It's insane she there's no reason she should have ever become a murderer no no she she could have fuck it's for anyway so terrible do you like that story yeah and uh also like we said definitely listen to last week's story and we'll share theories sure please get on itunes give us five stars doesn't matter what you say it's just for for business purposes. And also, please, if you want to become an even bigger, amazing person, go over to shutupandgivememurder.com and follow the links that lead you to either patreon.com slash crime and sports or over to PayPal. And you can use our email address, which is crime and sports at gmail.com. And you can make a one time donation there.

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happy hit me with it jimmy this week's executive producers are uh fuck already i'm gonna do this already emily felker uh chrissy ann costaldi you didn't even say executive producer right never mind what i say i don't know you said like this is a producer you were worried about names yeah this week's executive producers are emily felker chrissy ann costaldi, TJ Daly, Eva Tarowsky, Brittany Helm, Stephanie Yeager, holy shit, how sweet of you. Thank you, Stephanie. And Christy Brown.

Thank you guys. You guys are fantastic. We can't do it without you. Not at all. Kirby Dotson, Justin Inwood, Graham Luber, Danielle Childs, Damon King, Devin Fort. No, it's not it's devon fort devon devinson devon devonport devon devonport yeah or devon fort devon fort jesus i write like a fucking child devon devonport somebody named their kid devon they did that a very nice person too

name their kid devon after their wow okay that's brutal jesus tamisha tamisha uh dorico zachary cornell jessica hartke uh james james price sharifa charles i think sharifa that's sharifa hay isn't it i'm not sure i'm pretty sure uh reagan dorman uh reagan or regan it might be reagan it's probably what fucking there's no extra a there's no way to know that there isn't there's two pronunciations i don't think there's any way for us to judge that from where we're sitting now. Nicole Venaro, Karen Edgen, Justin Higgs. Yes. Elizabeth Smith.

Ariana Folsom, mind you, told us to Google her, and she is a model, and that's why there are nude pictures of her online, I guess. I don't know. I don't know why I just said that out loud. She gave us money? She did, twice. Hold on a second. Okay don't know. I don't know why I just said that out loud. She gave us money? She did. Twice. Hold on a second.

Okay. Never mind. You guys get the pause. Yeah. That's the irony and the I don't even know there is amazing and we love it. Ryan Fully. Martha. No.

Martina. Martina Kunkel. Casey Moore. No. Sarah Shefalo. Cabrone. No. Landron. Lauren. Lauren Demerath. Sherone? No. Landren?

Lauren. Lauren Demerath. She's in Chicago. How did I do that? You went down a long tunnel for that there. That's tough. I'm sorry, Lauren. You were digging.

There was dirt flying behind him. She's the one that gave me breakfast. She's fantastic. Hey. Kate Myers. Lisa Bayless. Malt? No.

Matt. Malt? Why would I think his name is Malt? Whose fucking name is Malt that you've ever met? Matt Dietrich is his name. How you doing? Malt Dietrich. Nice to meet you, Jimmy.

Catherine Grabham or Grabham. Either way, it's an interesting last name. Laura Vasnia? Vaknia. No. Vania? Vania. That's what it is.

That's an I is what I wrote. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, the letters. Laura Vania. Which is a tough last name That's an I is what I wrote. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, the letters. Laura Vania, which is a tough last name to have also. Sounds like a country. It does. That she made up when she was eight. I'm moving to Laura's Vania.

Or a description of a penis. Oh, yeah. It's very Vania. It's Vania. Roberta Beyer, Justin Lutker. Lutker. John Boner or Boffner. I'm not sure which.

Either way, thank you. Yannick Stager, Natasha Bornstorff. Yes. And then another one, just Yannick, which is I think Yannick Stager. He just didn't give a last name. Well, thank you. And that's both donations. Wow, amazing.

Thank you. Stephanie Lagasse, Jessica Leitke uh serena serena watson audrey audrey rotenberry that's it there we go i'm doing we got that you got it you got it jimmy mindy susan susan carlos yes i think suzanne susan sullivan what no it's mindy swan carlos fucking w thank you mindy bryant we almost blamed you for jimmy's poor handwriting No, it's Mindy Swan Carlos. Fucking Mindy. That's a W. Thank you, Mindy. Bryant Tool. We almost blamed you for Jimmy's poor handwriting. Jesse Hartman.

Again, every week that guy comes to me. Thank you. Marianne S. with no last name. Just the S. Good enough. That's fine. We're all right with that. Kayla Roberts.

Amanda McKelvey. Celesta Saliza. Saliza Waits. Gina Egan, one of the Egan sisters. Hey, the Egans. Elizabeth Horch, Hor-edges. It's Hor-edges twice. It's H-O-R-E-J-S, and there are two of those words.

Wow. Whatever that word is. Hor-edges, Hor-edges? Hor-edges, Hor-edges. That's her maiden name, and she married a guy named Hor-edges? She married a brother. Hey, cool. Good for you, Elizabeth.

Hey, you know what? Keep the gene pool tight. Good for you. I'm proud of you. Nice work. You figured it out. Invader Zim 7. Kevin D cool. Good for you, Elizabeth. Hey, you know what? Keep the gene pool tight. Good for you. I'm proud of you. Nice work. You figured it out. Invader Zim7. Kevin Dye.

No, Kevin Dice. That's it. Hey. Steve Crumley. Lee Abhold. Amanda Burke. Colleen Shambaugh. Amanda Waltz.

Craig McGeechan. Paul Ruwest. Alex Leuchert. Leuchert. Leuchert. You're looking at me. L-U-I-K-E-R-T. You have words in front of me. I don't. Alex Leuchert. Leuchert. Leuchert. You're looking at me. You have words in front of me. I don't.

Alex Leuchert. Kate Ives. I'll buy that. Janae Compton. Dustin Hines. Which sounds like Duncan Hines. It does. It's spelled entirely different.

Christine Leischel. Aaron Berza. Berza. Fuck. Aaron Berzinski Shipley. I think she's going to go with Berza fuck from now on. I think that's going to be the new one. Aitzel Rojas, Cole Finley.

Axel Rojas? Yes. Is that what you said? Aitzel, I-T-Z-E-L. Oh, I thought you said Axel Rojas. I'm like, wait a second. I know. I would have got it.

I would have found that, I think. Thank you. I would have found that as a joke. I thought you were, yeah. Okay. Unless that is the fucking, what I was, they were trying to get me to say Axel, that's possible. Maybe.

It's maybe, yeah. That is the fucking what I was. They were trying to get me to say, Axel, that's possible. Maybe. It's maybe. Yeah. Cole Finley donated like 17 times this week. We love you.

Of like cents and then a couple bucks here. Thanks. And then some cents. It was amazing to watch. We'll take anything. And we appreciate the shit out of it. My phone kept going off and going, Cole is giving you cash, bro. Thank you, Cole. Stephanie Ponset, Stephanie Russell, Heather Norton, Madeline Fagan, her daughter upped

her Patreon for Madeline. Oh, thank you. That's so cool. Because Madeline doesn't want to figure out Patreon. Oh, that's fine. Thank you. Thank you and your daughter. Brad Young, Sean Garner.

Yes. Chuck Lewis. Chuck, probably a coach. Jenny Chow. Good coach. Yeah. Jackie Fuchs, I assume, because otherwise it's brutal. Rachel Coro.

Donyell Leonardis. Leonard leonardis all right i think alexander calder that's alex calder up there uh in uh new york i think oh cool no he's in fucking i think he's in canada i don't okay canada sounds yeah he's around canada he's around uh nicola nicola nicola elliott that's what it is Ian McKay James Bishop uh Peter Butler Elliott with no last name Joseph Minner Guido Pip I don't know what that is I like it it's very interesting yeah uh Stephanie Fisher Sally Averett Pablo Conque no Diablo Conque so yeah Pablo yeah I'm a dick I ruined a great name you did but you've corrected it you got it Hannah Hannah Bell Lonsdale you've learned you've ruined greater names than that jimmy don't worry i've ruined much more common ones yeah uh hayley

robinson smith gaddis uh i'm ruining this one sorry uh gaddis stall sands um i think damn cool wavy sky which is fucking bananas that's interesting one credit classics which is a guy on youtube uh that does he fucking beats games with one credit. Cool. That's kind of neat. Chantel Thornley-Poole, Justin with no last name, Joe Miller, Emmy Dumont, Maya Clarice, Kay Overby, Clinton Grout, Beth Higgs in the UK.

Thank you, Beth. Thank you. Heather Fowler, Georgia and Jackson jeremy pendleton peter martino uh amy talia ferrero no talia farrow hmm jordan henston no jordan heemstrom heemstra bilbo scallops bilbo scoopins i don't know bilbo scallops michael lane Michael Lane, Alex Eldridge, and Corin M. Thank you guys so much from the bottom of our hearts. You guys are fucking incredible. Thank you.

Thank you guys so, so, so, so much. It's insane. It really is. We're just so thankful and blown away by it. And you guys keep literally the lights on in the house and in the studio and in both our houses and put food on our table. So thank you guys so much for everything you do for us. We'll keep doing all this and we'll keep trying to do something for you. Untangle lesbian love triangles.

We'll figure it out. Jimmy, what if somebody wanted to untangle your lesbian love triangle? How could they find you? They won't find the lesbian love triangle, but they can find me at Wisman sucks. W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat. And everything you guys do for us is fucking unbelievably appreciated. So thank you. It really, really is.

And if you want to get a hold of me, it's at Jimmy P is funny. And if you want to find me on Facebook or whatever, you can copy and paste my last name from the show description because otherwise you won't spell it right. Or you'll find my dad or something. And it's even if you do spell it right, you never know. I'm sure he gets a lot of weird friend requests where he's like what the fuck and then people look at me and they go they look at him and they go i didn't know he was like a 60 year old guy who rides a harley that's weird doesn't sound like that on the on the show that's strange he never says he likes motorcycles or anything the picture that my friend herman made of you in the baseball

thing yeah it looks just like your fucking dad. That's so fucking funny. It's bananas. That's hilarious. So do all that. You're going to look exactly like that man when you're older. Oh, man. Follow us. Follow it all out.

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