Snapped: Women Who Murder - Beatrice Camper

Episode Date: September 22, 2024

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For years, Beatrice Ingram had struggled to find her place in the world. She was someone that, put it mildly, made some poor choices. But then she married a cab driver named Terry Camper. Beatrice loved Terry. He was good to her. They enjoyed each other's company. They worked together all the time. They spent 10 happy years together. But in 2012, their marriage would suddenly, tragically,

end. There's a dead man on the street. I opened the car door to check for vital signs. My hand was full of blood. He had been shot twice in the back of the head. The beloved cab driver's murder came as a shock to the entire community. Why would you want to shoot him?

You know, why would anybody do that? Was it a robbery? Someone has a substance abuse problem. They're just trying to score some cash real quick. Or did Beatrice have a dark secret in her past? Detectives recovered a box that contained hundreds of letters. Would the letters lead police to the killer? John Murray was a convicted murderer.

He was adamant that he was being railroaded. Or was that all part of Beatrice's plan? His mother says, that bitch killed my son. Peak Skill, New York, October 3, 2012. Nestled on the banks of the Hudson River, this picturesque town of 25,000 is conveniently close to Manhattan. It's about a 45-minute commute from New York City, more of a suburban type area. A lot of families there, a lot of people commute back port to the city. But Peekskill retains all its quaint small town charm. It's one of those kinds of towns where you may not know everybody by name, but you certainly know everybody by face.

Which is why the 911 call that came in just after 2 that afternoon from a mail carrier on Pine Street was such an incredible shock. Thanks so much, Mercy. There's a dead man on the street. On Pine Street? Yeah. He's in his car. He looked like he probably had a heart attack. Police and EMTs rushed to Pine Street, Yeah, he's in the car. He looks like he probably had a heart attack. Police and EMTs rushed to Pine Street,

and Officer Liz Fulch was the first to arrive. I approached the vehicle, and I realized that there was the taxi driver that I knew as Terry slumped over to the right side. 53-year-old Terry Camper had been driving a cab in Peekskill for almost 30 years. Terry was well known in the community, very popular, just one of those guys that always had a smile on his face.

The guy that will wave at you every morning, that you will see at the local deli, that you will grab a cup of coffee, say hello, how's the family. But was the friendly, easygoing cab driver actually dead? Despite what the 911 call reported, Officer Fulch hoped that wasn't the case. I called, sir, sir, are you okay? And he didn't respond. And when Officer Fulch opened the door of the cab

to check Terry's vital signs, she found out why he wasn't responding. And contrary to what the 911 call said, it wasn't a heart attack. I touched blood on the left side of his neck. My hand was full of blood. That's when I realized that it was something more. He had been shot twice in the back of the head.

And yet despite the grave nature of Terry's injuries, the original report of a dead man on the street was incorrect. EMS arrived on the scene shortly after I did. With their equipment, they were able to detect some signs of life. And with Terry clinging desperately to life, the EMTs fought to save him. They just removed them out of the vehicle and started performing CPR, attempting to resuscitate him. It was pretty intense. And within minutes, they'd hustled Terry into the back of the ambulance and raced off

to the emergency room. I was just like, oh my god, he has a family. You know, he has a wife. I really hope that this guy makes it through. With Terry's fate still uncertain as the ambulance raced away, the police made an urgent call to his wife, 60-year-old Beatrice Camper, to break the horrifying news that her husband of 10 years was fighting for his life.

Born in 1952, Beatrice Ingram started life an hour downriver from Peekskill. She lived in Queens when she was younger. And it was there that teenage Beatrice fell for a neighborhood boy named John. They, you know, developed a friendship. Eventually, John and Beatrice became an item. Beatrice very much was in love with John. But Beatrice had fallen for a bad boy.

He had gotten in a lot of trouble. He'd been involved in drugs. And her teenage romance soon let her down a dangerous path. She started out with pills and from pills, she went to the hard stuff, which was cocaine. She was someone that, put it mildly, made some poor choices. John's choices soon landed him behind bars, though.

Heartbroken by her boyfriend's incarceration, Beatrice did her best to start over. And by her twenties, she'd met someone new and appeared to be on a better path. She was married. She got, um, two girls and a boy. But that relationship eventually ended, and once her kids were grown, Beatrice struggled with what to do for the next chapter of her life, a search that would lead her to Peekskill, New York, and Terry Camper.

Seven years younger than Beatrice, Terry's life also started south of Peekskill, 1200 miles south. We all are from Hattiesburg, Mississippi. But when Terry was only five, the family moved north after their father took a job near Peekskill. Daddy worked at the Veterans Hospital, which is in Montrose, New York, until he was 79 and then he retired. And as a result, Peekskill was the only home that Terry ever really knew. He really would never remembered anything about Mississippi. He was five years old. Growing up in Peekskill, Terry thrived in his new environment. He always had a lot of friends, even at a young age.

He'd have friends coming around to the house and he'd be there all the time. Terry was easygoing, lovable, playful, and outgoing. And not long after graduating high school in 1978, he launched a career that fit with his easygoing, gregarious nature. He started his own taxi company. That's all he wanted to do. It was nothing else he wanted to do but drive the taxi.

It meant everything to him. He loved to be out in the public. And by the end of the 90s, Terry had built a successful business. Lawyers, doctors, everybody wanted him to take them, take him to the airport, wherever. The lovable cabbie had also become a fixture in his hometown. He's a guy that the community knew. Nice guy. He was wave-a-low. If you saw him, you know, driving around Peekskill, he would throw you a wave. Terry talked to everybody. The police, the mayor, you name it. Anybody. He never met a stranger.

However, at the age of 40, Terry had yet to meet someone special. He always called himself a lady man. But I just never known him to be like that, just from lady to lady to lady. Ladies man or not, Terry was about to become seriously involved. He met Beatrice at the train station. He picked her up, taking her back home

to a witch's run White Plains. And as the friendly cab driver talked to her, he learned that Beatrice was trying to turn her life around after a long struggle with drug addiction. She'd been through detox, and she was in the Y because she needed somewhere in the station, had nowhere to stay, and she has to go through that program. After that meeting, then he got her number

of where she lived, and he would pick her up from time to time, and you know, and then he brought her up to meet the family. And it was clear that Beatrice was becoming more than just a regular fare. He talked to me. He said, you know, I like her. I like her a lot. And when Beatrice completed her program,

Terry convinced his family to help. When she came out the wire, she had nowhere to go. My mother took her in. She stayed with my mother for eight, nine months. So she came out the wire, she had nowhere to go. My mother took her in. She stayed with my mother for eight, nine months. So they got closer and closer, and they just started dating. Beatrice's recovery had given her a new lease on life, and Terry was clearly a big part of that. They really liked each other.

I was like, OK, doesn't work. They enjoyed each other coming here. The couple eventually got an apartment together, and after a year of dating, Terry asked Beatrice to marry him. Terry loved her dearly. He did a lot for her and her family. Beatrice said yes.

After all, he had rescued her when she needed it most. Beatrice loved Terry because he was good to her. And in 2002, they were married. It was a beautiful wedding. Yeah, we had a, because my brother and I, and the rest of us, we did all the cooking for the wedding. And marrying Beatrice made Terry an instant grandparent since her children were grown with children of their own.

Her grandkids, every one of them loved her. Every one of them, because her daughter kids was in the car with them all the time. He'd bring them up to my house. He loved them little kids like they were his own. And over the next few years, the couple settled into a modest but comfortable life together. She was working at Walmart. He was really doing good at that point. He had other people running for him,

so his money was coming in, and he was able to take care of his taxi business. Terry still loved to drive, though. He drove his cab regularly, and Beatrice was often at his side. Beatrice used to ride with Terry everywhere on his runs. Except when she was away visiting her daughter for the weekend or at work.

He'd take her to work. And after get off work, they ride around. They worked together all the time. However, Beatrice wouldn't be along for what turned out to be Terry's last ride. Coming up, was Terry's final passenger a killer? The man says, I need a ride from Pine Street. And if so, where was he now?

Were you able to track that phone? It was a little after two on the afternoon of October 3, 2012, when the police in picturesque Peekskill, New York received a surprising 911 call. There's a dead man on the street. On Pine Street? Yeah. He's in his car. And when officers arrived on Pine Street a few minutes later, they were shocked to find

53-year-old Terry Kamper slumped behind the wheel of his taxi cab. The beloved cabbie had been shot twice in the back of the head. I knew Mr. Kamper as a local taxi driver. I traveled with Mr. Kamper into the ambulance, into the hospital. The EMS guys were working very hard. Immediately upon his arrival to the hospital, they continued life-saving measures. They continued to perform hospital. The EMS guys were working very hard. Immediately upon his arrival to the hospital,

they continued life-saving measures. They continued to perform CPR. While the doctors did everything they could, Terry's wife of 10 years, 60-year-old Beatrice Camper rushed to his side. His wife has shown up within what appeared to me, minutes of our arrival at the hospital. Unfortunately, Beatrice was already too late.

At 3 or 5, they pronounced him dead. She was crying. She was visibly upset. I met Bea in the hallway, and Bea hugged me. He's gone. And I said, OK, he's gone. I said, what happened? But Beatrice said she didn't know. Because while the doctors told her and the family

that Terry was dead, it was the police who told them how Terry died. He told her he had been shot in the back of the head. They don't know who did it, but he had been shot in the back of the head twice. He was saying shot. Why would someone want to shoot him? It was just too shocking. He didn't bother nobody. He didn't do anything to anyone. The most logical assumption, based on what police knew so

far, was a robbery. I always tell him, I says, Liz, stop showing your money. Because he would always tell me, like, he was showing a few dollars. I said, put your money away. When you have a taxi driver known to carry cash, it would be the direction any investigator would probably begin to go in.

So hoping to piece together Terry's last hours, the investigators turned to the friends and family gathered in the waiting room. The family at the hospital was understandably very distraught, upset, emotional. But at the the hospital was understandably very distraught, upset, emotional. But at the same time, they were very helpful. Needed to find out who he was last with. That's going to give us the information that we need.

And it just so happened that one of Terry's friends had an important clue to share. A friend of Terry's named Ruth, she often rode along with him for company. He always liked somebody else to be there. So Ruth would ride because she didn't have a job at the time. Ruth told the investigators that she'd been riding with Terry earlier that afternoon. And shortly before he dropped her off, Terry had gotten a call. She said she picked up on Ruth's phone. Ruth would answer her phone all the time in the car.

And the man says, I need a ride from Pine Street. Did the fact that the caller wanted to be picked up on the street where Terry had been shot mean he was the killer? Back at the crime scene, there was nothing inside the cab to identify Terry's final fare. The police did find some key evidence. There were two shell casings in the car

and a live round left in the back seat of the car. We were looking for a.22 caliber handgun as the murder weapon. And in addition to the shell casings in the back seat, the investigators at the scene also found Terry's empty wallet. A crime of someone who has a substance abuse problem, something along those lines where they're not thinking correctly and they're just trying to score some cash real quick. That was our first impression of what might have happened. And if the killer was an addict looking for some quick cash,

it looked like they'd made a critical error. Terry's cell phone was not in the cab and that was not on his person. Had the killer taken it? The investigators hoped that was the case. Smart phones put off a GPS locator and you can ping it and find out where it is. And contacted the phone carrier. We were able to track that phone. We found that the cell

phone was not in Peaksville. It was across the Hudson near West Point. We had a general area of where the phone was. It was somewhere along a wooded stretch of highway, not far from the river. At that point, we just had a detective constantly calling the phone, calling the phone, and we basically just walked through the woods and the side of the road until actually, the detective didn't actually hear the phone ringing. It was located on the side of the road,

as if it had been thrown out of a window of a moving car. The cell phone trace hadn't led the police directly to Terry's killer, but it did provide a crucial clue. Once we find the cell phone trace hadn't led the police directly to Terry's killer, but it did provide a crucial clue. Once we find the cell phone, we know that somebody took it from him and that they fled north. That they went at least from Peekskill up into Orange County, at least as far as the cell phone went. And in order for someone to do that, they would have to cross the Bear Mountain Bridge just based on where the telephone was located. And that was important because we knew that the Bear Mountain Bridge had video surveillance cameras on it and recorded every vehicle that went over it.

The question was, whose car were they looking for? Could the call log of Terry's phone provide an answer? Police immediately tried to figure out who the last phone call was made from. And what happened is they were able to trace that call to a burner phone. But since it was a prepaid or burner phone, it appeared that investigators had reached a dead end. That's basically a phone you buy, you put minutes on it.

There was a name associated that we could track down. Desperate, the investigators contacted the burner phone's provider. And while they had no way to identify who had purchased the phone, they could provide police with a list of calls made by the burner. And when the detectives reviewed it, they realized that in addition to Terry,

the owner of the burner phone had also called a woman named Sandra Dolman. They rang my bell. The Peace Hill Police, State Police, and a state trooper. So I asked them, what was the problem? Did I get any calls, or did I make any calls? They showed her the number, but she immediately identified as being her friend, John Murray.

And then when I was down at the police station, they asked me, how did I know Mr. Murray? I told them that I met John Murray through an associate of mine who was a, let's say, a resident of Sing Sing. In other words, an inmate of New York's maximum security state prison. John Murray, we found after running a criminal history on him, to be someone who had recently served time for two murders. He had gotten out in November of 2011.

He was still on parole. And for the past 11 months, he'd been living with his wife. She was a minister. She came to visit him on a ministry, and she married him in prison. However, what stood out to the investigators was the fact that John and his wife lived in the town of Newburgh across the Hudson from Peekskill.

You know, obviously, to go back to Newburgh, you didn't take that same route of travel over the bridge. And when the investigators reviewed the surveillance footage from the bridge, it looked as if everything was finally falling into place. We were able to observe the vehicle, which we believe to be John Murray's, across the Bear Mountain Bridge at approximately 1 p.m. heading east toward Peekskill. And then we had that same vehicle coming back

across the bridge toward Newburgh at approximately 2 p.m. It's hard not to say that there was a connection there when you see John Murray's vehicle essentially cross over the bridge right when the murder takes place and then leave the bridge shortly after the murder takes place. But what was the connection between John and Terry?

Why would he want the cab driver dead? I mean, he was the kind of guy you wouldn't think had an enemy in the world. Less than 10 hours after the shooting, the Peekskill police were in Newburgh looking for some answers. A little after midnight, we knocked on the door of Mr. Murray's residence. He wasn't happy to see us. Although the ex-con did cooperate. John agrees to go to the City of Newburgh Police Department. At that point, he's interviewed by two of our detectives.

Though as soon as John sat down with the detectives, they realized the ex-con would be tough to crack. He had a thousand-yard stare when you talked to him. He just, he looked right through you. He gave off this aura of just someone who was very cold and dark. That's where it was that day. He stated he was, you know, in the city of Newburgh with his wife.

Basically, he gives no, nothing, that he was in Peekskill. The investigators knew it was a lie. They had very clear footage of the car, of its license plate, of a person who fits the description of John Murray. But then they started to press John asking questions about his cell phone number. At that point he stops talking with the detective. He just stopped answering any other questions and he wanted to leave. It certainly looked suspicious,

especially when coupled with the evidence that the police already had. They knew that John Murray was a convicted killer. They knew he'd placed a call to Terry shortly before the murder. And they could put him traveling to and from the scene of the crime. You're starting to really get pieces coming together. And you're starting to realize that you have a very strong suspect.

However, despite all the circumstantial evidence pointing to John, the police still couldn't quite prove that he had killed Terry. So at that point, you know, he was free to go? Because while they suspected he had killed the cabbie, the investigators still had no idea why John would want Terry dead. Coming up, the investigators uncover some surprising evidence. There's hundreds of phone calls, hundreds.

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By the morning of October 4, 2012, it had been less than 25 hours since Beatrice Camper's husband, Terry, had been murdered while driving his cab in Peekskill, New York. But the investigators already had a suspect, John Murray. We've pretty much put him in the area of the crime. We've put him along the path where the cell phone was recovered.

We've got something going on here. And most suspicious of all, John had recently been released from prison. Red flags went up when they realized that John Murray was a convicted murderer. However, despite all the clues pointing to John as the killer, one big question remained. What's the relationship with Terry Camper and John Murray?

They seem like two guys on two different sides of the tracks. Why would you want to shoot him? You know, I just could not register in my mind. Why? Why would anybody do that? So hoping to uncover just how the two men were connected, the investigators contacted the New York State prison system. They combed through countless records that they keep,

whether they be visitor logs or telephone logs, and during their investigation discovered telephone conversations between Murray and Camper, Mrs. Camper. 60-year-old Beatrice Camper was Terry's wife of more than 10 years, but the phone records revealed that she'd known John Murray at least as long. There was a large amount of phone activity

between John Murray and Beatrice while he was incarcerated. There were hundreds of phone calls, hundreds. More than 900 alone in the last 11 months of John's sentence. That's two to three calls per day that John and Beatrice were making to each other. And it wasn't just phone calls either. We went through back records of visitors that had come to see John Murray while he was incarcerated.

And there was numerous visits from Beatrice. And since Terry's wife was the connection to John Murray, the next question the investigators needed to answer was just how did Beatrice know the ex-con? There was definitely a relationship there, and it was a long relationship. It was John Murray's friend, Sandra Duhlmann, the woman who'd put the investigators onto him

in the first place, who revealed just how long Beatrice had known him. They'd known each other in Queens years before this happened. They'd started out as neighbors, but had quickly become much more. John is a very charismatic guy. He's a handsome guy. He's a funny guy. And he had been Beatrice's first love. And he had been Beatrice's first love. John and Beatrice had a relationship, a physical relationship,

there were a lot of drugs involved, and they were kind of on the street a little bit, but they were very much in love. But in 1977, the couple's intense and tumultuous love affair had come to an abrupt end. He was ultimately convicted in Queens on two homicides, and he did about 30 years in jail for those. And while John was in jail, Beatrice had lost touch.

She moved. She had this whole other life. A full life with children and grandchildren, culminating in her decade-long marriage to Terry Camper. But in 2002, shortly after she met Terry, John was suddenly back in Beatrice's life. While John was incarcerated, Beatrice had gone to this fair where they allow inmates and visitors to sort of interact.

And Beatrice was invited by a friend of hers who was visiting her own family member, and Beatrice accompanied her to this fair where she happened to run into John Murray. And then they started, you know, writing letters back and forth to each other. And based on the prison logs, the letters, phone calls, and visits had continued

and intensified for the next 10 years, despite the fact that Beatrice was married to Terry. John and Beatrice, at one point, were talking, you know, pretty much daily. But what did that relationship have to do with Terry's murder? His family believed they knew. They told the investigators

that at the beginning of the marriage, Terry and Beatrice had gotten along well. They seemed very happy. And I thought she was happy too. But in the last few years of their decade-long marriage, the family had noticed a change. I think she was falling out of love with Terry. Not only did Terry's cousin think that Beatrice was falling out of love, she thought that Beatrice might be seeing someone else. It's just a changer than her. She would fix up different. Her hair, her clothing was different and always going somewhere on the

weekend. According to Beatrice, she was visiting her daughter, who lived in Yonkers. But Terry's cousin wasn't so sure. I think she had someone else on the side. And according to his sister, Terry was growing suspicious, too. He came up to me and he says, there's something not right with her, or would be. But the family said that Terry was determined to stick things out.

He loved her. He wanted to make his marriage work. And that became increasingly difficult as time went on, according to the family. She would be a little mean to him. She would talk down to him. She got to the point where every time he'd say something, she'd yell and scream, I'm like, why is that?

I said, why do you keep taking it? He said, well, that's my wife, and I want my marriage to work. I said, but you don't have to take abuse like that. I said, not to make a marriage where, I said, both of you have to want it. Apparently, she doesn't want it. He said, well, please don't talk about my wife. Terry's sister said that barely a week before her brother's

death, she urged him to leave Beatrice. He says, neither one of us is happy. I said, when you're in time to get out of it. I said, because nothing comes good out of a relationship when both of you are not happy. But she said that he refused. He said, I can't leave because she has nowhere to go. I said, move in with me and my mother.

He's like, I just can't move out the apartment. Had that decision cost Terry his life? His family was convinced. His mother, Susie, says that bitch killed my son. Based on what they'd learned about her marriage and her connection to John Murray, the investigators brought Beatrice in for questioning on the afternoon of October 4th.

Detectives asked her if she had known a John Murray. First, she denied knowing it. And when we knew that that was false. And as far as the investigators were concerned, the fact that she lied about knowing John was just as telling. You know, we're onto something here. And not just in the interrogation room.

Because when the investigators brought Beatrice in for questioning, they also executed a search warrant for the apartment she shared with Terry. During the execution of the search warrant in Miss Camper's apartment, detectives recovered a box that contained hundreds of letters of correspondence between Beatrice and John. Love letters that she had kept when John Murray was in prison.

Sending her love letters almost dead. Me and my partner kind of looked at each other and were like, well, like, wow, you know, she's really, you know, she's involved in this. The plot thickened, so to speak. Once we began to see what was written in them, we realized now we had motive. The investigators searching the apartment

immediately passed on what they'd found to their counterparts in the interrogation room, who turned up the heat on Beatrice. They started to bring out the proofs they had that Beatrice had made phone calls to John Murray, and John Murray had made phone calls to Beatrice. And once she realized just how much the police already knew, Beatrice's story began to change. Beatrice started to tell us what had happened.

She started out by admitting that she did know John Murray. She told us that she was actually involved in a fair with him. She would leave saying she was going to visit her daughter. When she wasn't, she was going to meet John Murray. And according to Beatrice, during those meetups, eventually they began talking about ways to get Terry out of the picture. She decided that she needed to come clean.

And she gave us the information that she had conspired with Mr. Murray to kill her husband. She did admit that, you know, her and John had been planning this for quite a while, and that, you know, she was involved in the, you know, in the murder of her husband. Although according to Beatrice, it was John's idea, one that she'd gotten swept up in, foolishly obsessed with the prospect of being reunited with her first love. I think the guilt was weighing on her. She couldn't handle it anymore.

A weight was lifted off of her. She definitely seemed very remorseful. I'm sure there had to be some kind of satisfaction as to holding all that guilt inside, obviously coming out and telling the truth at this point. But would Beatrice's confession do her any good? Despite her cooperation, the Peekskill police placed her under arrest for Terry's murder. She provided all the information that Murray needed to pull this off.

And thanks to Beatrice's confession, the investigators also felt they had enough to charge John Murray with murder. He was taken into custody up in Newburgh. When John Murray was arrested, he basically had no reaction. Didn't even ask why. After all John was a convicted killer but in the weeks ahead some people would be wondering was he also a pawn? Coming up will Beatrice's confession be enough to convict John? There was no hard evidence against John Murray whatsoever.

Or will John turn on Beatrice? He had given that phone to Beatrice Camper. By April 9, 2014, it had been a year and a half since Beatrice Camper's husband Terry had been murdered while driving his taxi cab in Peekskill, New York. Everyone had nothing but good things to say about Terry. Terry was a very well-known local cab driver. Beatrice and a 62-year-old ex-con named John Murray had both been charged with the murder. That was her boyfriend. They had corresponded while he was in prison.

In fact, at the time of her arrest in October of 2012, Beatrice had confessed to her role in the crime. The guilt and the weight of this crime was definitely weighing on her. You could see it in her. And it obviously still weighed on the 62 year old grandmother when she walked into a Westchester County, New York courtroom that morning. She had aged terrible.

She didn't look like the same person that I had seen before. This process had taken a lot from her. However, while she had been charged with second degree murder for her role in the crime, she hadn't come to court to stand trial. Instead, she was there to testify against her old flame, John Murray, who was on trial for his alleged role in Terry's murder.

John was just adamant that he did not commit this crime and that he was being charged based on the fact that he had a bad prior record, and he was adamant that he was being railroaded. But did Beatrice's old boyfriend have a point? After all, while they had considerable circumstantial evidence against him, the only thing directly connecting him to Terry's murder was Beatrice's confession. And the prosecutors had done everything in their power

to secure her testimony against John. The Westchester District Attorney's Office offered her a plea deal in exchange for her testimony against John. That's a decision that was made to get the actual shooter, the trigger man. He definitely needed to be in jail for life. So that was the goal.

And it was no surprise that Beatrice had accepted the DA's offer. I think Beatrice's primary motive was to lessen her responsibility in this case by pointing the finger at Sean Murr. But could she close the deal for the prosecutors? When Beatrice took the stand, the entire case was riding on her testimony. There was no firearm recovered. There were no eyewitnesses to the actual crime.

There was no DNA evidence or any other forensic evidence. There was no hard evidence against John Murray whatsoever. The only thing linking John Murray to this crime really is the testimony of Beatrice Camp. On the stand, Beatrice began by explaining the background, how throughout her marriage to Terry, she and John had been having a secret affair. She had romantic involvement with Mr. Murray,

despite the fact that they were separated by prison bars. And if the letters he'd sent her from prison were any indication, their romance had been pretty steamy, too. She saved all of the letters. Every single one of them, I believe, was recovered from her apartment. In the letters, it was a very sexually explicit relationship. And if the hundreds of letters John had sent her weren't enough to prove just how devoted

he was to Beatrice, the prosecutors also played tapes of the prison phone calls between the lovers. There were a number of calls that the DA's office played. Some of them highlighted a lot of erotic talk and discussions of having sex. And Beatrice said that once John was released from prison, the lovers had turned years of talk into reality, despite the fact that they were both married.

When John was released, he and Beatrice basically immediately met up. And according to Beatrice, the affair continued for the next 11 months. She was visiting him. They would get together. However, Beatrice claimed that the affair wasn't the only motive behind Terry's murder. They was in the plot to kill him for life insurance money. At the time of his death, Terry had two insurance policies totaling $100,000. Their goal was to get rid of Mr. Kamper and collect on that life insurance policy. And one of those policies had been taken out barely a year before Terry's murder.

Shortly before your spouse dies, changing the insurance policy does not look good for the living spouse. However, according to Beatrice, John was the one who pushed her to up the coverage, and the prosecutors had the audio tape to prove it. They had quite a few discussions about that policy, discussions that were recorded on tape when Mr. Murray was in prison. There is a conversation that takes place in which John tells Beatrice,

in so many words, you need to up his, meaning Terry's, insurance policy. And in response, a few days later, Beatrice calls John and tells him, look, I did what you asked me to do. I changed the insurance policy. When I heard all this in court, I was very shocked into the things that was going on, and what she was doing behind Terry's back. Although as both Beatrice and the prosecutor stressed, she only did it because John told her to.

She would do anything for John. But as Beatrice told the jury, once Terry was dead, she'd immediately regretted what she'd done. I don't think she really thought this through. Her relationship with John Murray, she got wrapped up in it. She kept on saying that she'd done. I don't think she really thought this through. Her relationship with John Murray, she got wrapped up in it. She kept on saying that she was sorry. She didn't want any of this to happen. That's what Beatrice claimed, but was it the truth?

Not according to John's defense attorney. She shouldn't be believed because she's going to testify against John so that her jail time is reduced. Instead, when John's defense presented their case, the scenario they laid out was the exact opposite of what Beatrice claimed. Almost all of it came from Beatrice. It was Beatrice who was going to change these policies.

And John sort of just went along with it. And since Beatrice's testimony was the only thing that directly connected John to the crime, the defense maintained that he was completely innocent. John was just adamant that he did not commit this crime. And they reminded the jury that the prosecutors had no murder weapon and no evidence to actually put him in Terry's car. They were circumstantial.

There could be coincidences. It could be a different car. It could have been anyone who drove that phone and threw it up there. And the call from his phone that pointed to him in the first place. The defense claimed that John wasn't the one who made that call. He had given that phone to Beatrice Camper before the day of the homicide. Beatrice had actually provided John with that phone

so they can talk privately anytime Beatrice and John wanted. But why would John give Beatrice back the phone that served as their secret hotline? John had, in fact, ended the relationship with Beatrice. And Beatrice was very upset with the fact that John no longer wanted to be with her. That was not acceptable to Beatrice. She continued to pursue John even after the fact.

And according to the defense, it was Beatrice who had killed Terry. John Murray put everything on her. That she shot him and he was pushing it on her. The defense claimed that Beatrice had not only murdered Terry, they said that she was obsessed with John Murray, and she had intentionally dumped her dead husband's phone on the way to John's house to frame her ex-boyfriend for the murder. We tried to put it on Beatrice entirely that it was her,

and that was John's argument, and that's what we felt the evidence showed. Coming up, the jury makes its decision. and that's what we felt the evidence showed. On April 17, 2014, the jury announced that it had reached a verdict in the murder trial of Beatrice Camper's ex-boyfriend, John Murray. They deliberated for the better part of the day. The 62-year-old ex-con was accused of killing Beatrice's husband, Terry. Her and John planned this together. At least that's what Beatrice had testified in court as part of her plea deal.

The DA's office offered her a fixed amount of time in jail and in return for that, she would have to testify against John. John's defense, on the other hand, argued that Beatrice was Terry's killer. They both was blaming each other. What's more, according to the defense, Beatrice had set up John to take the fall for her crime after John put an end to their affair.

Beatrice was pointing this on him based on the fact that he had a bad prior record. I think Beatrice is a very manipulative person. And in the end, the case basically came down to who the jury believed, Beatrice or John. There was a lot of tension in the courtroom. John knew what the stakes were. He knew that he was looking at a lifetime sentence

without the possibility of parole. But would he get it? The jury found John Murray guilty of murder. John was very upset at the verdict. He was beside himself. And he was going to prison for life. He would never see daylight again, per the judge. And I agree with that.

And that he got just what he deserved. But what about Beatrice? She was technically serving life, too. But the terms of her plea deal meant that parole was an option. She's looking at, you know, 15 years to life. And the thought that Beatrice could get out in as little as 15 years leaves Terry's family more than a little disappointed. I think she needs to be in prison the rest of her life.

The family is determined to see that she stays there too. When she goes before the board, the family will plan to be there to say she deserves to stay longer. And despite the deal the prosecutors made in order to put John in prison, the investigators basically agree with Terry's family. To have such a premeditation involved, to have plans having been made for so long to do this, and she's just as guilty as the man who pulled the trigger. There's plenty of opportunity for these two to say, what are we thinking here?

You know, this is horrible. We can't do this. No, they kept chugging along, man. They executed these plans and they executed Terry Camper. You know, that's just pure evil. Despite her guilty plea, Beatrice Camper appealed her second degree murder conviction. In 2016, her appeal was denied. She will be eligible for parole in 2027 at the age of 75. Welcome to the Offensive Line. You guys, on this podcast, we're going to make some picks, talk some sh**, and hopefully make you some money in the process.

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