Snapped: Women Who Murder - BONUS: Kim & Lenorris Williams (Snapped Killer Couples)

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

We are bringing you a special bonus episode featuring a case from Oxygen's hit series, “Killer Couples.”  The horrific attack of a beloved spiritual leader takes the investigati...on into a dark underworld of black magic and unbridled rage.Originally aired: June 19, 2022 Watch full episodes of Killer Couples live or OnDemand for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:50 or on Peacock by clicking the link in our description. Enjoy. She was a beloved pastor using her gifts to help her congregation. She is a healer. God has gifted her with their ability. She is a healer. God has gifted her with that ability. She's able to see things that a normal person wouldn't see. She can go deeper into the spirit than others can. But a merciless attack destroys her home and leaves her clinging to life. When first responders arrived, the house was fully engulfed in flames. We stabbed 27 times, received countless burn injuries
Starting point is 00:01:26 and wounds. People were shocked. They couldn't believe it. Why would somebody want to do this? To answer that question, investigators will expose the dark side of a seemingly devout couple and unearth secrets steeped in bitterness and black magic. and unearthed secrets steeped in bitterness and black magic. She knew the spirits of Earth.
Starting point is 00:01:46 He knew what spirits of Earth is. Both were so involved in this voodoo magic. It just overtook any kind of rationality that either one of them may have had to start with. And a survivor comes forward with a story of perseverance and faith. A lot of people don't understand how I got up. It had to be God. It had to be God. and the Everybody kind of knows everybody. Everyone kind of looks after each other for the most part. Crime is, for the most part, fairly limited. But on the afternoon of Monday, April 24, 2017,
Starting point is 00:02:52 the Sheriff's Office receives a frantic call from 35-year-old resident Ramona Newton. OK, what's the problem? You can tell you. This is what I want. You want it now, the fire? Yes. Ramona Newton reported that the house that was next to her was on fire, and the police then find out
Starting point is 00:03:15 that Ramona's next door neighbor is her mother. I explained to them that my mother has on fire. I told them I heard a loud noise and ran out the door to see what was going on. I explained to them that my mother had some kind. I told them I heard a loud noise and ran out the door to see what was going on. And when I bit in that corner, that's when I seen nothing but flames. Ramona fears that her 61-year-old mother
Starting point is 00:03:38 and local spiritual leader, Georgia Green, is trapped inside the burning house. Okay, we're getting it dispatch now, okay? I'm gonna go to my mom's room. I ran around the house two or three times, and finally, about that, I say about that third time, and that's when I heard my mama voice. And when I turned around, she was laying down
Starting point is 00:04:06 with her hand up. I couldn't see. I seen blood. I seen a lot of blood. So I went in the car and I went again. I need an ambulance. I understand. I understand, OK?
Starting point is 00:04:23 Who started the fire? I don't know. I don't know what. I understand, OK? Who started the fire? I don't know. I don't know what's coming to happen. My mom and I are so proud. And my mom in the woods. I'm going to throw my mom in the woods. A lifelong resident of Baker County, Georgia May Green grew up on a small farm in a large family.
Starting point is 00:04:47 My grandmother, she had 10 children. It was a lot of other families there in the communities and the kids used to get together and play. In her 20s, Georgia had two daughters, Rhonda and Ramona, who she raised on her own. It was mostly just the three of us for a long time. She raised two daughters on her own with no help. And I think she did a pretty good job by herself. She taught us how to cook, clean, everything that was necessary.
Starting point is 00:05:28 We was raised by a strong woman. Much of Georgia's strength and the strength of her family stemmed from her religious faith. My mother was brought up in the church. Her religion and faith was number one in my mother's life. That was always, that's what she was all about. Ever since I can remember, ever since I was little, we was in the church. And then when
Starting point is 00:05:54 we moved out on our own, you know, my mother continued to take us. And then she started wanting to participate, wanting to do more in the church. She started preaching in her living room. We would get up on Sunday morning, have Sunday school, and have church there in the living room. And we just had a nice little family church. My mother was the type person to welcome anyone to the church. It don't matter what religion you was. If you need help, you was welcome to come to the church.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Through the church, Georgia met her second husband, Luke Griffin. He called himself a pastor also. And so they was married. And the little congregation continued to grow. Georgia is not only pastor, but she does marriage counseling and other types of spiritual counseling. She calls herself a healer.
Starting point is 00:06:50 A lot of people come to her for healing, and they come for her for counseling. She actually had a place in her home specifically laid out to do these counseling services. She had candles and incense burning, all sorts of things to kind of make people feel comfortable. Over time, Georgia's congregation became an extended family.
Starting point is 00:07:15 But her relationship with her husband, Luke, began to falter. They got divorced probably around 2004. Luke moved out of the house he shared with Georgia, but he didn't go far. He looked so much he didn't even leave off the land. He stayed right there. He built himself a little house out there for himself, and he lived out there on the property.
Starting point is 00:07:48 I moved my house there, too, and my sister later on bought a house and moved there. All the houses are close together. The land surrounding George's home became a safe haven filled with family and friends until the morning of April 24, 2017, when the pastor is found stabbed multiple times outside her burning home.
Starting point is 00:08:17 As Georgia's daughter Ramona speaks to 911 dispatchers, family and friends begin gathering in the front yard of Georgia's house. She finds her husband, Brad, her mom's ex-husband, Luke, and then she also finds Lenoris and Kim Williams at the house. Ramona immediately yells for the group to help her move Georgia to safety. She called for help and Brad and Luke came running.
Starting point is 00:08:53 We didn't have no time because how she was breathing, I knew she was hurt bad. They found out that the ambulance is going to take a while, so they just said we've got to get her to a hospital as quickly as possible. Luke, he rushed into Millicount Hospital. Moments later, police and firefighters arrive on the scene. When first responders arrived, the house was fully engulfed in flames.
Starting point is 00:09:20 The fire department tried to put the fire out. By the time the fire was extinguished, the house was extinguished, the house was at total loss. The hard thing about arson investigations is the evidence is likely destroyed in the fire. And that's obviously something we have to prove that this was intentional. At this point in the investigation, anything's possible. You have to keep an open mind and look at all leads and follow everything through
Starting point is 00:09:45 until you have a better idea of what happened. Coming up, investigators turn to those who know Georgia best and learn about a person of interest with alarming intentions. He apparently hadn't accepted that they were divorced. She's real strange. He love her to death. But an unsettling admission will take the case into supernatural territory. In jealous rage, she put a curse on him.
Starting point is 00:10:22 In Baker County, Georgia, 61-year-old Georgia Green has been rushed to the hospital after being found outside her burning home, the victim of multiple stab wounds. My sister, Ramona, she called me and woke me up. And I had to kind of like get my head right to understand what she was saying to me. I said, I need you to go to Miller County Hospital. And I had to kind of like get my head right to understand what she was saying to me. I said, I need you to go to Millicotton Hospital. Mama being hurt, I need you to go there. I was like, I was in shock. I was just trying to stay strong and just go and see what was going on.
Starting point is 00:11:04 and see what was going on. As family members rushed to the hospital, authorities at the crime scene tried to figure out what happened. They were able to establish that the fire was not an electrical fire. It was not a pan that had sat on the stove too long with grease and caught the house on fire. Upon further examination, it was determined
Starting point is 00:11:24 that the fire was started by means of an accelerant. There was no question in this case this was intentional. We like to examine the crime scene to try to find evidence to suggest who committed the crime or how the crime was committed. In this case, we were inhibited in doing that because the house was a total loss. It was burned to a crisp. We began to sift through the debris in that area of the residence, and multiple knives were located.
Starting point is 00:11:56 The knives were burned to indicate that they had been there when the fire occurred. Once the knives are collected as evidence, investigators head to the Miller County Hospital to check on their victim. They talk to hospital staff who say they're working to keep her stable at this point, but she's in critical condition.
Starting point is 00:12:20 She can't talk. And they're getting ready to transfer her out of the hospital to dothin for treatment. She had multiple strokes while she was in the hospital after the stabbings. She stabbed 27 times and quite frankly looking at the condition that she was in I didn't really think she was going to make it. Considering the amount of knife wounds is a definite attempt to kill Georgia, not just an assault that occurred spur of the moment. When investigators asked Ramona about who
Starting point is 00:12:59 might want to harm Georgia, Ramona says her mother doesn't have an enemy in the world. We learned that Ramona was inside her house and she went outside to see what was going on. I told him, the Nairis, Kim, Luke, and my husband Brad was already over there. Finding it suspicious that Georgia's ex-husband was present at the scene of the crime, investigators questioned Ramona about Luke's involvement with the Nairis' family. The Nairis' family was in the house.
Starting point is 00:13:23 They were in the house. They were in the house. They were in the house. They were in the house. They were in the house. over them. Finding it suspicious that Georgia's ex-husband was present at the scene of the crime, investigators questioned Ramona about Luke Griffin. She reveals that the couple has a complicated history. It was all right in the beginning, but Luke and my mother were two of a kind. So I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:42 It's just kind of hard to get along with. Like, they had two different ways. And sometimes it just don't work out. So my mother and Luke, they decided to separate but continue being friends. He apparently hadn't accepted that they were divorced. And he kept telling people they were together. Luke's strange. He real strange.. Luke Strangs, he real Strangs.
Starting point is 00:14:06 I'm just saying that he real Strangs. He loves her to death. Investigators quickly turn their attention to Luke. They find him at the hospital, waiting for an update about Georgia. When we met with Luke, he told us that he and Georgia were still married and that they lived together
Starting point is 00:14:25 at the residence. But we knew that Luke and Georgia were separated, but still lived essentially in the same area on the property. But Luke insists he had nothing to do with the attack on Georgia. Luke Griffin went through everything and explained the chain of events as he had seen it. Luke tells investigators he was helping Ramona's husband,
Starting point is 00:14:48 Brad, in his garage around 1130 AM. Luke and Brad were loading up scrap metal when they saw some vehicles in Georgia's yard. And then they saw smoke coming from the house. Shortly thereafter, they were approached by Lenoris Williams, who's told them in Georgia's yard, and then they saw smoke coming from the house. Shortly thereafter, they were approached by Lenoris Williams, who's told them that the house was on fire.
Starting point is 00:15:12 When detectives speak with Brad, he corroborates Luke's statement and confirms the two men had been together all morning. Luke's statement was consistent with the scene as well as the chain of events. We were able to rule Luke out as a possible suspect. Investigators next asked the family how they know Lenoris and Kim Williams
Starting point is 00:15:41 and why they were at George's house. Lenoris and Kimberly Williams had gone to her for blessings and sort of counseling through their marriage. She taught them, counseled them. Anything they needed help with, she was there to get her inspiration and guide them through it. Lenoris and Kim had been seeing Georgia for a while, and they showed up the morning that everything happened.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Kimberly and Lenoris were there in a vehicle, and at some point it was discovered that they locked the keys in the car. So they left the area on foot. Now the GBI wants to talk to the two witnesses who have left the scene. So they issue a BOLO for Lenoris and Kim Williams. Time is always of the essence when you talk about criminal investigations.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Those first interviews with witnesses is just crucial. As news of the attack on Georgia spreads, the community rallies around her family. The entire community is becoming aware of what happened. This was right near the Baker-Miller County line. So now you've got Miller County getting involved in the BOLO. You've got Baker County in the BOLO. You've got the GBI in the BOLO.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And now with the community knowing what's going on, now they're invested in this Bolo and they want to find this couple. Less than an hour later, Kim and Lenoris Williams are spotted on foot, two miles away from Georgia Green's house. The sheriff in Miller County actually was able to locate Kimberly and Lenoris Williams
Starting point is 00:17:29 at a cemetery. And so he ended up following them. When the deputy attempts to speak with the couple, Lenoris tries to walk away. He seemed to be agitated, was acting very suspicious, according to the sheriff, which of course that sets off warning signs right away when someone acts in such a suspicious manner when you're trying to find out about what they may or may not know about the crime. He decides he's got to take the couple into custody. At this time, there were no arrest warrants for them.
Starting point is 00:18:07 However, they were being detained for the furtherance of the investigation so that we could figure out what was going on. One of the first things they wanted to do was get their side of the story, to interview these two individuals and see what they had to say about the fire, who might have started it, what they might have seen.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Coming up, investigators sit down with their persons of interest and uncover a possible lead. He said there was a black male that went into the house and left, and that's when the fire started. He went in the state about 20, 25 minutes, he came back out looking, he kept looking it up. He went on that stage about 20, 25 minutes, he came back out, he kept licking it up. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts, I'm Alina Urquhart.
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Starting point is 00:19:53 I'm one of the filmmakers behind the Jinx and I'm excited to bring you the official Jinx podcast. We'll be revisiting all six episodes of part one and watching along with part two as it airs on Max, starting April 21st. Bye-bye. The official Jinx podcast. Listen on Max or wherever you get your podcasts. In Baker County, Georgia, 61-year-old pastor Georgia Green is in critical condition after being stabbed more than two dozen times inside her home. People were shocked.
Starting point is 00:20:32 They couldn't believe it. I mean, they were like, your mama don't bother people. She always trying to help people. Why would somebody want to do this? Authorities have detained married couple Kim and Lenoris Williams, who were present when Georgia's house erupted into flames. On April 25, 2017, one day after the attack, investigators sit down with Lenoris.
Starting point is 00:20:57 We now will install to a law enforcement officer, which is myself and Charles, about Georgia Green Griffin. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we,. We would, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we would help that lady. OK, OK. That's what we're here to talk about. OK, OK. We began to ask him, why was he over there? Why were you going to see Georgia? And Lenoris explained that he and Kimberly were seeing
Starting point is 00:21:18 Georgia for spiritual healing. Do you remember what time they all went? OK. healing. Do you remember what time they all went? I said about back there. Because I remember I was going to hit a car with 1153. OK. Who was there when y'all pulled up? I don't know them people. Was there a lot of cars? It was two other cars.
Starting point is 00:21:38 They waited outside for some time, while two other clients of Miss Georgia were seeing her. One was in a, I believe, a white vehicle that left pretty soon after they got there. Another in a blue vehicle that went in and stayed for a while. Was it an SUV or? No one had an SUV. It was a car.
Starting point is 00:21:59 And it was blue? It was not navy blue. It was some kind of blue. A white, blue? Basically. OK. And how many people were in it? Just him.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Black guy, white guy? Black guy. He went in that state about 20, 25 minutes. He came back out, looking. He kept looking it up. Mm-hmm. He kept looking it up. Mm-hmm. He probably kept licking it up.
Starting point is 00:22:25 He said there was a black male that went into the house and left, and that's when the fire started. We seen smoke, you know, and I went in the house. You know, I'm trying to see, you know, was she OK? Lenore's claims that he couldn't find Georgia. So yesterday, back then. OK. So what were y'all going out there for yesterday?
Starting point is 00:23:06 We're going to talk to him, ask him what we need to help. Lenoris explains that he and his wife went to see Georgia because they'd been having marital problems. He tells investigators he and Kim have been together for the past four years. My mom met Lenaris through social media. He told her that he had been watching her for years.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Because Lenaris actually used to hang around my cousins on my dad's side. So I guess he used to see her a lot when we used to go to my great-grandmother's house. At the time, Kim was a single parent with a teenage daughter and an infant son. A year into their relationship, Lenoris and Kim had a baby of their own.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Lenoris was actually a traveling construction worker. He decided to stop that and just be home all the time to be around his family. He became to be the stepfather that me and my little brother needed in our life. In June 2015, Lenoris and Kim got married. Lenoris took a job at a solar company in Bainbridge, Georgia. He loved her.
Starting point is 00:24:24 She loved him. She loved him. She loved him too. They was this lovey-dovey couple. I'm like, OK, so this is what it's going to be forever. I guess we're going to be a family. But just when it seemed like the family had achieved their happily ever after, Lenoris
Starting point is 00:24:43 was dealt a devastating blow. Kimberly Lenoris had some financial troubles, even while Lenoris had the good job. But it seemed to escalate after Lenoris's employment terminated. It did become a general, a whole bunch of arguments, fights, flisting. It got worse and worse and worse.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Lenoris tells investigators that their financial situation caused major strain in their relationship. And he wanted to do whatever he could to get his marriage and his life back on track. Lenoris really wanted that relationship to work and believed that there was extraneous problems. Georgia, she'd been seeing Kim and Lenoris in a counseling capacity. Y'all know she's a terrorist, but...
Starting point is 00:25:39 No, I'm not. I'm not involved in it. No. We don't know. We thought she was a preacher. You know what spiritual work is? Not really. Lenoris explained that he and Kimberly were seeing Georgia for spiritual healing,
Starting point is 00:26:00 or was commonly known as root doctor. When someone puts roots on you, they're putting some sort of control over you. Be like voodoo. It would be forcing someone to do something they don't know they're doing. They're using some kind of, you know, potion of curses and the jinx.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Lenoris was seeing Georgia specifically because he had had bad roots put on him. Lenorris' ex-girlfriend put bad roots on him, so we asked him to explain how the bad roots were put on him. She told me then, she let on, this woman be with your draw. I'm like, huh? What? She said, the woman, the woman be your drop. I'm like, huh? What? She said, woman, this woman begged my drop.
Starting point is 00:26:47 So I asked her. Lenoris says his girlfriend was mad at him that he had gotten married to Kimberly, and she was jealous. And in a jealous rage, she took his underwear, I think buried it, along with fingernail clippings and maybe some menstrual fluid, and put a curse on Mr. Williams. Part of the reason that Lenoris and Kimberly Williams
Starting point is 00:27:07 went to see Ms. Green is because in the religious doctrine of roots, in order to have a curse lifted, you have to have a religious leader that's more powerful or more established than the original one that put the curse on the person. We asked them, can she get me a cure for that? Lenoris explains that Georgia offered to help the couple. They were paying her money for prayers and various mixtures
Starting point is 00:27:43 of potions or herbs to help get the bad roots off of them. She did a thing and it's like we bought a prospect but it wasn't. We paying time money. Who's we? Me and Ken. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:59 We supposed to know prospect, you know, a good marriage, you know, a meal career, a whole whole career, what does she want to do? But it's like it wasn't priceless. Lenore didn't feel that Georgia's services were helping them in any way. And they were both angry at Georgia for not helping them properly. One of the things in criminal law that we always do
Starting point is 00:28:23 is establish motive, opportunity, and means. What established the motive is they basically were mad and thought that Miss Kareen had swindled them out of their money and that she had not given them the blessings that they deserved for giving her the cash. Coming up, with their suspects in focus, lovers will turn against each other. Okay. Ready?
Starting point is 00:28:49 Ready. He did it. He did it today. I heard, John. I heard it by word of mouth. To hear her say something like that, that you know ain't the truth, right? So why don't you tell me the whole story? And a captivating witness sets the record straight
Starting point is 00:29:08 about what really happened. That changed the whole ballgame. After the brutal stabbing of 61-year-old Georgia Green, investigators learned that Lenoris Williams may have had a reason to harm her. When they interview his wife, Kim, she provides them with a noticeably different version of events. What happens when you get to Ms. Georgia's house?
Starting point is 00:29:40 What happens when you get there? I was, I was, I was, I was asleep. She advised that Lenoris tells her he wants her to ride with him. She had had a headache, taking a couple of Benadryls to ease her off. She was drowsy, had been asleep, got up, got in the vehicle, slept on her way there, didn't really
Starting point is 00:30:04 know where they were going or what they were doing. They got to Georgia's, and she was basically napping in the car and doesn't really know what happened. So you go to sleep, you go back to sleep, what happened when you wake back up? Oh, I see like, like a, like fire. You know, I see like fire, like, I'm like, what the hell going on?
Starting point is 00:30:27 You know, what the hell going on? So I'm, I'm, I'm jumping out the truck. I don't know, you know, what's going on here and stuff. And, and I, and he, you know, he can't run it from, you know, run it. I said, what's going on? What's going on? He was like, I'm trying to help her out the house.
Starting point is 00:30:40 You know, he was like, I'm trying to help Ms. George out the house or whatever. I said, what's going on? Kim offers no corroboration for her husband's story about seeing a suspicious man in a blue vehicle. The only man she places at the scene of the crime is her husband, Lenoris. Lenoris was in the house.
Starting point is 00:31:01 And you. Y'all were both in the house. Right. Lenoris was in the house. And you. Y'all both in the house, right? Lenore was in the house. And I just told you. Lenore was in the house. I know who it was. I told you.
Starting point is 00:31:12 I told you. And you were in the house, right? No, I wasn't. Well, then now let's talk the truth then. Tell me what really happened. He did it. He did it to the woman. I know he did it.
Starting point is 00:31:24 But I also know that you were in that house, right? Yes? He did it. Yeah, but you were in the house, weren't you? Kim? Yeah, he did it. So Kim, you still not going to tell me the truth? I told you everything you want to hear.
Starting point is 00:31:42 She just kept saying repeatedly, that's all I've got to say. That's all I've got to say. So we terminated the interview with Kimberly. Authorities hold both suspects in custody while they continue to gather evidence. I obtained a search warrant to search Kimberly's purse. We found a notebook with some writings about Georgia Green. The writings seem to be aggressive or angry in nature towards Georgia.
Starting point is 00:32:13 We also found a discount store receipt where a knife and a roll of duct tape was purchased earlier in the morning of the day of the incident. The investigators followed up with that receipt and got the video from that discount store of Lenora's purchasing duct tape and a knife. And this relates back to the knife found in the house fire. I actually purchased the same knife that Lenora's purchased, and the knife that I purchased was later
Starting point is 00:32:45 compared to the knife that we recovered at the fire scene. And the knives were visually similar in size and shape to each other. Investigators confront Lenoris Williams with the new evidence. I'm here to hear from you and for you to tell me. And you know, if something is wrong, Investigators confront Lenoris Williams with the new evidence. You know what that is? That's a knife. They showed him the evidence of him purchasing the knife and the duct tape. He started to change his story from no involvement to, yes,
Starting point is 00:33:35 he did go in the house. Lenoris claims that he had gone to George's house to confront her about the cost of her services. claims that he had gone to George's house to confront her about the cost of her services. We paid one to help us. It was $375. Then one time, we paid $150. I'm like, I don't see no improvement.
Starting point is 00:33:57 So what were y'all going out for yesterday? We were going to go back there and talk. We were going to talk to her. I know y'all went out there, just like you said you did to talk to Miss Georgia. And you asked her, like a straight honest man, to get the roof off of you and let you and your wife cross-breed in there like the way you're supposed to.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And she wouldn't do it, would she? She said we had to start all the way back home. Georgia explained that they could start over with the healing process, but it would require another monetary fee, which Lenoris and Kimberly didn't have. Things in the room escalated, and an argument ensued. Lenoris described the chain of events
Starting point is 00:34:43 as Georgia being more aggressive, and that Georgia attacked him. Therefore, he stabbed Georgia in self-defense. Why did you take a knife and duct tape with you? OK, what were you going to use the knife for? OK. But my mother, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. He did say that he took the knife in his pocket,
Starting point is 00:35:13 that he had the duct tape in his britches when he went into Miss George's house, and that whatever happened there, he had done in self George's house and that whatever happened there, he had done in self-defense and that Kimberly was not part of it. on some of the stuff. But I still don't think you're telling me the entire truth. And that's what I'm here is to.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I'm telling you. I'm here to collect facts, Lenoris. I'm telling the truth. And what you're telling me is just still not adding up completely. Investigators shift the focus of the conversation to Kim Williams. Investigators shift the focus of the conversation to Kim Williams.
Starting point is 00:36:07 From talking to Lenoris, it was very clear that he was deeply devoted to Kimberly and that he would do things for her. And one of the things that we explained to him was Kimberly didn't share that devotion. You and I both know that there's more to this as far as her knowledge. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Yeah. She's throwing you under the bus. She's throwing you straight under the bus. The investigator played a portion of one of Kimberly's recorded interviews where she was laying the blame on the Norris. OK. Ready? I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:36:48 I'm on my way. Well, then now let's talk the truth then. Tell me what really happened. When we played the portion of the recording from Kimberly's interview, Lenoris completely changed. He did it. He did it to that woman. Believe me now? I believe you. He did it. He did it to that woman. Believe me now?
Starting point is 00:37:08 I believe you. He was upset by how Kimberly talked to us, and ultimately, Lenore decided to come clean. She stabbed her. Huh? She stabbed her. He told her she did take part in stabbing Miss Georgia, that she knew what they were going to do when they went there, that she was involved much more
Starting point is 00:37:34 than Kimberly let on that she was involved. Why did Kim stab Dore? She broke all the maps. You can never be happy. Kimberly seems to be the driving force behind this whole incident. She seems to be the one that has the control and manipulation over Lenoris.
Starting point is 00:37:56 He was so wrapped up in all of this and believed that Miss Georgia was creating problems between he and Kimberly. But he did not want to lose Kimberly. So he did whatever Kimberly thought they should do to resolve the problem. And they went there planning to do harm to Miss Georgia. Despite Lenoris' claims that his wife stabbed Georgia, Kim maintains her innocence.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Kimberly says that it was Lenoris' idea. It was his plan. At this point, it's partially a he said, she said scenario. Investigators arrest both suspects on a charge of attempted murder. But they still don't have a clear understanding of what happened to Georgia Green on April 24. Then, on May 8, a family's prayers are finally answered.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I slept for eight days and I woke up. They said that I was close to death or whatever, but it never dawned on me because I got so much faith. You know what I'm saying? I got so much faith in the Lord that he would deliver me. Two weeks after, she was attacked and left and the police are finally able to speak with her. Once we learned that the breathing tube had been removed, myself and Investigator Griffin traveled to Dothan to attempt to interview Georgia. She was able to give us a lot more details
Starting point is 00:39:33 and explain what had happened. She was able to tell us what had happened. She was able to tell us that she was in the bathroom. She was able to tell us that she was in the bathroom. She was able to tell us that she was in the bathroom. She was able to tell us that she was in the bathroom. that the breathing tube had been removed. Myself and Investigator Griffin traveled to Dothan to attempt to interview Georgia. She was able to give us a lot more details and explain more of what happened.
Starting point is 00:39:53 About three or four people that morning, Kimmela and Lenore's, waited till all the rest of my clients left, and they showed up there. When they came in, I told them, I said, I said, I can't talk to y'all right now. And he's saying, well, we just come by to see how you doing. I said, I've been doing good like that.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And the girl didn't say nothing. He was doing all the talking. And then he jumped up and grabbed the bowl off my desk. And he went to hit me. Crawled the head with it. He said, where the money, bitch? And I said, I don't have no money here. I stood up.
Starting point is 00:40:38 And when I stood up, she come out with her knife. She was staring me around the neck and my back, close to my heart. Anywhere she could stay, I'd be there. And so I fell on the floor. When I fell on the floor, I got up under this. They thought I was dead. They was pulling all the paper and stuff out my drawer,
Starting point is 00:41:01 throwing everything all over the floor. They were just throwing stuff, cutting one another. And he told me, he said, get the gas. They sprang the gas all on the wall, everywhere, all the glass everywhere. Cold gas all over me. So they went in, they lit it up. It was burning.
Starting point is 00:41:23 After Lenoris and Kim fled her home, Georgia realized she didn't have much time. A lot of people don't understand how I got up. Had to be God. Had to be God. I went out there behind the house, and I sit down. I ain't said nothing. I just, you know, sit there in that spot. MUSIC
Starting point is 00:41:50 As with anything, there's still unanswered questions, but as far as who is the person or people that assaulted Georgia, it was clear that it was Lenora and Kimberly. MUSIC When I do my counseling, I take people as my family, not looking at, you know, the bad side, I look at all everybody good.
Starting point is 00:42:10 And that what really bothered me is how good I was to them. And that's how they repaid me. Linores and Kim Williams are both indicted for attempted murder, aggravated assault, and arson. They face 60 years in prison. Then, on January 26, 2020, one day before Lenoris Williams' trial is set to begin, a surprising new development unfolds.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Lenoris decided to enter a guilty plea. He was not given any promises of leniency. He entered what's called a blind plea, which means that he admits to the accusations and it's up to the judge to sentence him. Part of the agreement was that Lenoris would give a full debrief of what happened and agree to testify against Kimberly.
Starting point is 00:43:08 Faced with the news that her husband has turned against her, Kim Williams enters her own guilty plea the very next day. Ms. Williams had to admit that she did, in fact, stab and burn down the house of Ms. Grigg. So that was one great thing about the plea, was she had to finally take responsibility. After we were able to look at all the evidence, it became pretty clear that Kimberly couldn't do it
Starting point is 00:43:35 without Lenores, and Lenores couldn't do it without Kimberly. And both of them had such strong religious convictions and beliefs in this roots, that it just overtook maybe any kind of sense of rationality that either one of them may have had to start with. In the end, they each got 40-year sentences. Lenoris, I think, was genuinely in love with Kimberly.
Starting point is 00:44:02 I think he wanted that relationship to continue. And when Kimberly told him it was over unless you solve this problem with Miss Georgia, it induced him to do as she said and go buy a knife and duct tape and get gas to burn the house. I believe that Linares did do everything and she was dragged into it.
Starting point is 00:44:24 If my mother did have a part of it, I believe that Linares did do everything, and she was dragged into it. If my mother did have a part of it, I believe that he forced her. This whole incident is completely senseless and tragic. Georgia lost her home. Georgia lost some of her physical abilities to do things due to her injuries. My mother had, in the beginning, she had some bad days. And she had some good days.
Starting point is 00:44:49 But she kept praying and built the strength to keep going on. A lot of people wouldn't have survived what I went through. What I went through, they couldn't even made it out of that fire. And that's why I say I'm blessed to be, you know, be able to overcome, to be able to walk again. And I'm still counseling people. And that's why I say I'm blessed.
Starting point is 00:45:13 I hope that I'll be able to go on with my life and continue to do the will of the Lord and keep on being blessed while I am healing. MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC Welcome to the small town of Chinook, where faith runs deep and secrets run deeper. In this new thriller,
Starting point is 00:45:45 available exclusively on Wondery+, religion and crime collide when a gruesome murder rocks the isolated Montana community. Everyone is quick to point their fingers at a drug addicted teenager, but local deputy Ruth Vogel isn't convinced. She suspects connections to a powerful religious group.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Enter federal agent V.B. Loro, who has been investigating a local church for possible criminal activity. The pair form an unlikely partnership to catch the killer, unearthing secrets that leave Ruth torn between her duty to the law, her religious convictions, and her very own family. But something more sinister than murder is afoot, and someone is watching Ruth.
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