Snapped: Women Who Murder - Gypsy Rose & Nick Godejohn (Part 1)

Episode Date: September 6, 2020

Part 1 of a two-hour special examining the desperate love story of Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Nicholas Godejohn and their joint decision to kill Gypsy’s abusive mother, Claudine “Dee Dee” Blanchard.  Features an exclusive prison interview with Nicholas Godejohn.Killer Couples Special EpisodeOriginally aired: July 13, 2019See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I would have done it again. I might have done it. Definitely, but I would have done it again. The Green County Sheriff has new information about a mother found murdered at her home and her missing daughter. It was a crime that captivated the country. Gypsy Blancheard and her boyfriend, Nicholas Go-John,

are now jailed in Wisconsin on 1st of Remurder. This case took many strange twists. Everything that we seemed to uncover turned out to be a lie. This wasn't just a murder. This was a con. She was under the thumb of her mother. She was a victim of hideous munch hasn't by proxy abuse.

Authorities say Gypsy can walk without a wheelchair and they discovered several birth dates that make her between 19 and 23 years old. Gypsy didn't know that she wasn't actually sick. It wasn't until after she was arrested that she learned that she was actually healthy. after she was arrested that she learned that she was actually healthy. This case is about manipulation, it's about deceit, it's also a case about love. The stars aligned somehow

that these two individuals found each other. It wasn't just boyfriend, girlfriend, it wasn't just I'm attracted to you, I like you, I like talking to you. It was a very deep intimate relationship. Gypsy really pulled Adneclyce's heartstrings. She wanted his sympathy. She wanted him to know just how much she was suffering

and how much she needed him to save her. So again, I'll admit it. I did actually stay up for a month. I will make it. Did Gypsy know that she were going to be her mother? Honestly, she asked me to choose. Since the moment she was arrested, Gypsy Blanchard has seized the media spotlight.

Did you help? No, it's good, you're mom. Yes, sir. Alarm bells start going off at that point. Something's not right. Now four years after this infamous case mesmerized the nation, the man at the center of its deadly romance tells his side of the story. Due to all the publicity chips he's getting

and she's getting me that publicity too, I feel like I have a responsibility. I want to basically let everyone know that. I'm not just this cold killer. It's somehow just new, deep within my heart. Some way me and her were ended up being together in the end. There's no other option we have to. Hi honey. I'm filming it.

Hey, Mommy. But later, he will be eating me. He's eating. He's running. But later, he will be eating me. I was... That was... Man. Probably the best thing of my life. I mean, that's the only way I can describe it that I enjoyed every second of it.

From the very beginning, I just knew where so much. It was five days where I was actually with her, physically with her. Those five days were the most intense and magical and all-expiring, inspiring days I've ever had. I was gonna get a job and start looking for an apartment. After a little ways down the road, I probably am a mariner, and I'm having children with her. That's something I've never had with someone else.

I've never, ever had it. And to this day, she's the only one that I've ever had that with. But Nicholas and Gypsy's time together would soon come to an end, due to events already set in motion in the town of Springfield, Missouri. On June 14th of 2015, the Green County Sheriff's Office get a call from some concerned neighbors, friends of Claudine and Gypsy Blanchery.

DD and Gypsy were actually very well known in Springfield because of this tragic backstory of the very sick child that the single mother is taking care of. They had basically been on their own. D.D. didn't have a real good relationship with Gypsy's father. They came up from New Orleans area after Hurricane Katrina. They were displaced with no home. And then Habitat for Humanities stepped forward. And they got a home from Habitat for Humanity.

So they became kind of well known around the community. We have an awesome bathtub. It's a jacuzzi tub, a mint for my muscles. And we have a wonderful room so I can get up and down by myself. Gypsy was in a wheelchair. She had all kinds of physical ailments. We've been told that she was 15 with the mentality of a third or fourth grader

because she has genetic disorders and she has cancer and she has muscular dystrophy and she has, you know, all of these other issues. There was genuine love from this community, forgipcy and deity. They really cared for them. They wanted the best for them. They wanted to help them.

And they did in many different ways, not just cared for them. They wanted the best for them. They wanted to help them. And they did in many different ways, not just habitat for humanity, but helping them with food and money donations. You know, the community really came together behind them to make sure they were okay and well taken care of here. I think it was a blessing in the skies. It took something like a hurricane

to make us have a happy ending. But on June 14th, 2015, Gypsy and Dede's friend Kim Blanchard notices a disturbing post on their shared Facebook profile. Sunday afternoon, I'm scrolling through Facebook, not not thinking about nothing, so to speak. I saw the initial Facebook post from their joint Facebook. The post that had been left on, D.D. Angiopsie's shared Facebook page, said that bitch is dead. Between the two of them, never, never a heavy word,

never a curse word, heaven forbid, to see an expletive on theirs was, oh my goodness. Okay, I'm going to give him a quick call. Nobody answers the phone. Nobody answers the house phone. Nobody answers the cell phone. And scroll down just a little further,

and there's the second one. The post was, I slashed that fat pig and raped her sweet innocent daughter. And that's when I decided we're gonna go to the house. Upon arriving, notice that the vehicle was still on the driveway, and that I couldn't see any movement or any lights on in the house. Walked around and knocked on doors, and where that was, and nobody answered. And that was the be only an adult right there.

And it was called the cops. We need a wellness check. There is something wrong. When the first deputies got there, at that point, they didn't have enough information to just storm into the house. So what they did was basically try to look through the windows, try to look around, and knock on the door, announce themselves, and they ended up not getting a response.

And that's when we noticed that the window over the kitchen was unlocked, so I crawled in through the window and got inside. How many things I truly noticed immediately was it was totally dark, no lights on, and it was extremely cold in the house. As in, like the air condition had been running non-stop. I noticed that two of Gipsy's wheelchairs were in the living room. I got to the bathroom. It was open, and her third wheelchair was there.

Okay, this is odd because I know she's got three and they're all here. Chipsy's bedroom was the last door on the left. I opened it, everything looked fine. D.D.'s room was the last one on the right. I got to the doorway, and I hit the light switch, and the light did not come on. So I clicked it a couple of times and it still didn't work.

I did not feel the need So I clicked it a couple of times and it still didn't work. I did not feel the need to go in the room. So I didn't. I went back out and I opened up the front door. I told the sheriff there's nobody here. They did ultimately obtain a search warrant to look inside that house. dead house.

When the officers enter Dede's room, they don't notice anything out of the ordinary at first. But when they get closer to the bed, they notice the top sheet is covered in blood. When they pull back the sheet, that's when they discovered Dee's body. Once we found Dee Dee deceased, our priority at that point was to find Gypsy and make sure that she was safe. There was fear at that point that Gypsy had actually

been kidnapped and was possibly still alive being held somewhere. Coming up, as police race to find Gypsy, dark secrets come to light. That couldn't be true. There was no universe in which that could be true. And investigators get their first peek inside a love affair worth killing for.

She said, songs in here together? That's all mad and mad. The Green County Sheriff has new information about a mother found murdered at her home and her missing daughter. Let's go live now to that neighbor. On June 14, 2015, Claudine D.D. Blanchard is discovered murdered inside her Springfield, Missouri home. The victim of a horrific attack. This was a gruesome bloody scene that they stumbled onto in that house. This crime had a sense of urgency, because we were working this as an abduction,

and we didn't know if we were on a time clock to find Gypsy alive. With Dee Dee, the medical examiner helped us determine the cause of death. It was determined that there were 17 stab wounds. They also were able to tell that she had a very deep wound to the back of her neck. She was essentially nearly decapitated.

Clodinia was stationary during the incident, so any blood that would have been found throughout the house wouldn't have believed to have been hers unless it was potentially dropped from the weapon itself or from whoever had committed the crime. There were some specs of blood that were on the bathroom door and the roll of paper towels, as well as they did a swab of the sink and they found blood there.

While evidence is sent to the crime lab, law enforcement officials focus on finding DD's missing and disabled daughter Gypsy. We had the sheriff's posse out on horseback looking for Gypsy. We had volunteers coming from everywhere to start, basically combing the area and looking to see if maybe she wasn't far from the house. As far as I knew Gypsy was a scared 15-year-old girl who couldn't walk that is now missing. So of course we were just terrified that somebody had come in, killed her mother, stolen whatever they wanted to,

and took her with them. While all that is happening, we were working with Facebook. It was really believed at that time that the person who made that Facebook post had direct involvement to her murder. Our computer forensics expert was able to get the IP address, which basically would be the location where the internet is being accessed.

And it was discovered at that time that it was a residence in Waukesha, Wisconsin. We immediately contacted the Sheriff's Office up there. Detectives are able to identify the occupants of the home where the IP address originated. They also identify the owner of the computer. The internet provider was associated with Nicholas Go Deschamps.

The Sheriff's Office did put together a tactical plan because they had no idea what they were getting into. There were more than two dozen SWAT team members from the Wachishaw County Sheriff's Office. They were told that there could be a murder suspect in that home. They were told that there could be a second victim or someone taken from a murder scene who might be in harm's way. The SWAT team asked Nicholas Gojjan to exit the home.

Someone exits the home. But it's not Nicholas. And Gypsy walked out of the house. Everyone is shocked to see Gypsy walked out of the house. Everyone is shocked to see Gypsy, this girl who can't walk without a wheelchair, who's so sick. She's walking without assistance, and she's surrendering to the police. And that's when I knew there's something more to this story. A huge break in this homicide investigation, Gypsy Rose Blanchard has been found safe.

She is OK, and that also a person of interest is in custody. This is an ongoing investigation. The prosecutor has filed charges this morning for first-degree murder to suspects. For the officer to say that he and she are persons of interest, I literally threw up in a waste basket because it couldn't be true. You know, we're still investigating the extent of the relationship, but it has been referred to as boyfriend girlfriend. It just was unbelievable. Each sentence that came out of his mouth was

more unbelievable than the one before it. Both Facebook postings that appeared were authored by Gypsy. I think people found it very hard to wrap their brain around the fact that Gypsy was involved in this in any way. So it was easy, I think, to look at the person that we didn't know, who is Nicholas Gaudijon, and wonder, did he make her do this? Look, it'll admit it. I did actually...

stay up for a moment. I love it. I know he loves me and he would do anything for me and to be with me. Maybe he had talked her into doing something and things had gotten out of hand and Mom had gotten killed and then he kidnapped her. It was really so far outside of the realm of possibility. As the story progressed, of course, the opinions changed.

We also know that Gypsy can walk without assistance or wheelchair. I was standing up only. Well, the video is speak for themselves. She's carrying her own luggage. It's very mobile and able to move around. Things are not always as they appear. Went from, we have a homicide.

Gypsy is missing to unraveling their whole story and finding out all of this had not been true. We found out that Gypsy was not 15. We also revealed almost a lifetime of scams by Deity. Basically, her whole makeup was a lie. We have unearthed the appearance of a long financial fraud scheme, along with this tragic event.

One of the strangest aspects of this case, Sheriff Jibbarnat says, the Blanchards were involved in conjobs lasting several years across several states. People gave money to this family, thinking they were helping a little girl who was suffering from leukemia, only to find out that it was all a ruse, that Dee Dee blanchored had been abusing this child for years. This wasn't just a murder. This whole city got scammed. We got scammed by Dee Dee.

We got scammed by Gypsy because of what Dee Dee was making her do. The evidence clearly indicates that Gypsy was victimized by her mother. But did she really conspire to murder her? Detectives put that very question to her boyfriend and alleged co-conspirator Nicholas Gaudajon. Did Gypsy know that she were going to kill her mother? Um... honestly... she asked me to. Did you help?

Yes, sir. Nichols could have mom. Yes, sir. This is a case where deception has been at the root from moment one. How deep do the lies go? Who we thought was initially the victim turns out to be the suspect?

How do we know who's telling the truth? If Nicholas is telling the truth, why had he been so willing to help Gypsy kill her own mother? Nicholas Gaudijon is one of two living people at the center of this unfolding scandal. No one has really heard his side of what went on in their relationship and what led up to the decision for them to commit this awful crime. What was life like before you met Gypsy? Ah, wow. In June 2015, prosecutors in Green County, Missouri charged Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Nicholas Goldajohn with the murder of Gypsy's mother, D.D. Blanchard.

Look at all of them. I did it, actually. Staff, come on. When most people heard Nicholas Goldajohn admit that he had stabbed D.D. Blanchard multiple times, they were ready to say lock the door to the cell and throw away the key. But I think more people are starting to wonder what kind

of life did Nicholas Gota-John have before he met Chipsy Blanchard that might have led him to carry out the murder. led him to carry out the murder. What was life for me before I met Gypsy? I actually was basically alone. My parents split up right around the time. I was between three, four years old. From that time forward, I was different from everyone else. Specifically, my mom raised me in the entire time.

All the way to the age of 15. Up in Waukesh, I was coming to. It was her friend, the McFriends. He was always by himself. Pretty much grew up by himself. From the very first day when I was in kindergarten, all the way to 12th grade, every single one of those days I was in special education.

Next autism was the first diagnosed in grade school. The weird thing though is that, even though I was in special education throughout that entire time, I was considered one of the smartest children in the classrooms that I was in just because of my high functioning autism. After high school, I was interested in computers. Originally, I wanted to be a computer repairman. They weren't too happy with how long I was taking to grasp it all. Ever since then, I wasn't able to really pursue any other pass of any type of career. So, really, I kept to myself.

The reason I kept to myself is because I didn't really have the social skills due to my mental disability. Yeah, Nick, he was lonely. He loved the internet because he was able to connect with people. I was basically worthless. I kept on myself. I guess you could say it opened up more when I was online for sure. In October 2012, Nicholas would meet the woman who would become the love of his life.

Nicholas had been on this Christian dating website, free website, and had signed up. I was raised as a Catholic, so my mom always taught me if you're going to look for anyone who's been looking for a Christian woman. That's why they at least share the same values as I do. He was going nowhere. He wasn't in school, he wasn't working. He still only outlet was who he found online and who he found was Gypsy.

I told her ninth 9th, 2012. I'll never forget the date because that moment when I was being my heart and because of she was always being my heart, everything about her I was stuck with me. She first reached out to me. Once she said hi, me being my natural shy or bashful self, I just said, hide it back. In their initial encounter, Gypsy tells Nicholas she lives in Missouri with her overprotective mother. She also tells him she has a secret online account she uses to meet new people after her mother goes to bed.

Her mother would not allow her to date or have boyfriend or anything like that. Gypsy lived a very sheltered life. There was something about her that I found very, very intriguing. I was definitely attracted to her. She told me about her being bound to wheelchair. I didn't hold against her. I didn't see it. It was me. I don't know if she was me, is that I accepted her,

even if she was that way. It didn't bother my son a little bit, because, you know, he felt for it, because of that. And he wanted to help, but anyway, he could. She made it seem like originally that she just wanted to be friends with me, but three, four days into it, I could tell that she was looking for more than that.

I think they felt very similar as someone who was pretty isolated in their life. They seemed very much alike in that way, and I think that really bonded them together from the get-go. It's crazy because I felt like she was like a long-lost friend. Gypsy was aggressive and kind of just trying to bring them closer and closer to each other in a very quick way. It seemed like it happened so quick. It really did. I felt like it happened so quick. Nicholas, he was vulnerable. He was looking for love. He was looking for affection. Gypsy provided that.

It was eight days from my first accident with each other online. Before we became official. It felt great. It felt very great. I was like, this person might be the one who was in the hospital. I was like, this person might be the one who was in the hospital. I was like, this person might be the one who was in the hospital. It was eight days from my first accident when I had each other online before we became official. It felt great. It felt very great. I was like, no, this person might be the one. They really began an almost exclusively online relationship. I was so deeply in love with her already that it was just overwhelming.

It wasn't just boyfriend, girlfriend. I'm attracted to you. I like you. I like talking to you. It was a very deep intimate relationship. Gypsy and Nicholas spend every night talking to each other. Then one evening Gypsy tells Nicholas she has a secret she needs to share with him. One evening, Gypsy tells Nicholas she has a secret she needs to share with him. She told me that her mom had her being a wheelchair and she could walk. Gypsy really started to trust him as when she started telling him the truth, and that's a big thing. I told her that I knew that she could walk. I already knew that too.

She's like, you baffled me at times, because I don't know how you know these things. And all I could really tell her is over so much. That's so in the way I could describe it to her. I just knew her so much. And I think that made them feel so much closer. Because when you share a secret like that together, that bond you together. And I think that's when it really became that intense love relationship.

And then one night she said to me, well, I do have a question that is very serious I need to ask you, I'm like, okay, how about you really want to be with me? And that's when I told her, you know I would do anything to be with you. Coming up, as their online obsession escalates, Nicholas asks Gypsy to test the boundaries of their relationship. This was very sexual. There was the talk of VDSM, Nicholas wanted to be her master. It was down and dirty. And Gypsy reveals a second more disturbing secret, setting in motion a plan that will eventually lead to murder. She wanted him to know she was suffering.

I was living. I was living when she told me. Hey, listener. It is Jason Bateman. We've been fortunate to attract so many A-list guests to our Smartless podcast, but we've never put together a lineup quite like this. I'm talking about Will Ferrell, Conan O'Brien, Kevin Hart, Mark Cuban, Jimmy Kimmel, Matt Damon, and more available four weeks early and ad-free on Wondery Plus. If you've seen our docu-ser, Smartless on the road, you know we had an incredible time on our tour where we recorded 10 amazing interviews. Sean. This is Sean Heist. Not only are these some of the best episodes that we've ever recorded,

but the atmosphere with the live crowd is unlike anything we've released before. It was incredible to engage with an audience of thousands of our biggest fans as we traveled all over the country from Brooklyn to Los Angeles. You can listen to these episodes four weeks early and add free with 1-3 Plus, find 1-3 Plus in the 1-3 app or on Apple Podcasts. And this is Will Arnett, I'm telling you, you really should listen. Do it, do it, do it. By the fall of 2012, the relationship between Nicholas Gauda-John and Gipsy Blanchard had accelerated and intensified beyond anything the online lovers had ever known.

They took on another world and it was obvious in how they communicated that they weren't living in reality. It was just the two of them in their own fairy tale land. Both Humberson and Sirius said, I want to marry her. Their conversations continued, and they escalated to become more sexual as the months went on. The relationship between Nicholas and Gypsy online was pretty steamy.

There was the talk of BDSM that that's what Nicholas was into. He wanted to be her master. He had actually sent her a bill of sale that would essentially make Gypsy his property. They would exchange videos back and forth. Everything she did in these videos would be scripted by Mr. Godashan. They took on these different personalities, too, when they communicated with each other.

Nicholas claims his sexually dominant side is part of an alternate personality that he first became aware of as a team. Once I got to the age of 18, something clicked in me. There's almost like something was trying to tell me, I'm there. You've created me. I'm there.

When that side clicks, I... I'm a completely different person. The sweet, innocent me that I usually wake up to every day is not there. It's not there. It's a completely different person. And like I said, I do have all the other people. Personalities, too.

I started exploring it with Gypsy. She's the one I, I, I, I hope that would be brave enough to actually explore it with me. She cooperated in developing alternate personalities herself. I don't think they were authentic. I think they were done just to satisfy his rather perverse needs. Nicholas would explain what certain sides of him liked and Gypsy would care to it. She would create a new character based on the likes

that he described. She would wear wigs and makeup and outfits to fully satisfy those parts of him that he had described. Rose is probably my favorite personality. That one is basically the most mature form of gypsy. Bella is another one that most people don't know about. That was basically the romantic part of her. That part of her got along very well with my good part of me. Ruby, no, that one is what was considered her evil side.

Which was basically in correspondence with mine. Then you had Kitty, which was basically like the little girl inside her. Kitty and my little boy part of me were very good friends. Then you had Candy. The best way to describe that part of her was basically her slutty part of it. That would probably be best in with my sexual partner.

Gypsy and Nicholas' role playing takes place exclusively at night after Didi goes to sleep. Nicholas and Gypsy obviously had to keep this on the down low away from Didi because Didi would not have Gypsy having any kind of relationship with a boy, she didn't want her even having relationships with anyone. She wanted to keep Gypsy in a very tight, controlled environment. So, of course, they had to sneak around a lot.

Gypsy had no opportunity to establish boundaries with her mother. Her mother simply wouldn't allow it. That must have been very disturbing to have every utterance controlled by your mother, even when you are entering adulthood. I never really knew what I was going to talk to her because she had to keep a relationship, to get it from her mom.

She had to because she knew their mom would not allow it. And so every sometimes she would even think that her mom is coming, shooting it up a sand, I got a lot of hope and running with a lot of hope. Obviously, because she had to, she had become pretty good at hiding when she would communicate with Mr. Gohdashon. She had some close calls where I would not talk to her for a couple days.

And there's even times I was even worse than that. There would be times when I wouldn't be able to talk to her for a couple weeks. Even though she's not out all the time, when I want her to be on, I know that she's still thinking about me. In the spring of 2014, a year and a half into their secret online relationship, Gypsy tells Nicholas that she's more desperate than ever to be with him, and to be out from underneath her overbearing mother.

But Gypsy has another secret that's keeping them from being together. Nicholas already knew that Gypsy could walk even though her mother kept her confined to a wheelchair. But she said, no, this is bigger than that. She was like, I just can't stand arguing by mom. I'm like, I don't mean like, give it time and get better. Well, she said, uh, instead of getting better

and getting worse, one night, I mean, she wasn't been on for too much the whole day online at all. And then all of a sudden, she pops up out of nowhere at 10 o'clock at night time. And when she's like, my mom hurt me and like, what are you talking about? And then she told me everything. On June 15, 2015, Nicholas Gauda-John and Jitsi Blanchard are

in custody at the Green County Sheriff's Office. I don't know how much she told her house, she told you I've been in that, I didn't know also. Okay. Nicholas has opened up about his role in the murder of Gypsy's mother, Dee Dee, and how it all started when Gypsy revealed the disturbing truth of what life with her mother had truly been like.

Gypsy Blanchard and Nicholas gousion had been dating for about a year all behind her mother's back. And it was about this time that she told him she had a secret. About a year and a half into her relationship. She just said, my mom hit me and like, what are you talking about? And then she told me everything. Gipsy told Nicholas that in addition to forcing her

to pretend she can't walk, her mother routinely abused her, both emotionally and physically. Gypsy also told Nicholas the real reason they couldn't be together was because she was a prisoner in her own home. She told me her mom abused her. Her mom made her shave all the hair off. All that stuff. She told me all that stuff.

It's very clear that Dee Dee's behavior made it very hard for Gypsy to know if there was anyone she could trust. I think that's why she reached out so desperately, the Nicholas. I think that's why she reached out so desperately, the Nicholas. Shipsy told Nicholas that in 2011, she found out that her mother had been lying about how old she was. She became at least aware that her age was different than what was being told

to people because she had ended up seeing some medical document or insurance documents she had found it in their house that had her true name and date of birth on there. Her date of birth was 1991. Her mother had told her she was born in 1995. Chips had never questioned that. Why would she? But when she realized that she was 19 and not 15,

she decided to leave. She did reveal to him that she had tried to escape, as she said, run away one time. Gypsy also claimed that not long after she discovered her real birth date, she met an older man at a sci-fi convention. She attended with her mother. She found him online and they talked for a few weeks in secret and eventually they made the plan that she was going to come over to his house one night.

After her mom fell asleep, Gypsy did leave the house and took a cab over to the individual's house. Unfortunately, somebody who knew her mom saw Gypsy at this other residence and actually let Claude know that she was there. Dee Dee then came over to the house and took Gypsy back. Dee Dee's explanation of that particular night was that this older man had, for lack of anything else, brainwashed her poor naive little girl.

At that point, Claudine broke her computer. that point, Claudine broke her computer. Because that was her really only means to this outside world. And then did end up chaining her to a bed and mistreating her pretty badly for several days. She ended up beating her so badly, upon the computer pants, and I was living. I was living when she told me.

After that, Gypsy didn't try to run away again because she knew if she tried to run away, there would be repercussions, so she was fearful in and trying to escape it again in the future. She said, imagine being stuck as a 16 year old, not being able to grow up, not being able to have friends, not being able to have boyfriends or anything like that. And being stuck at that age, not being able to pursue any of your dreams, because your mother wants you to stay as a child. She is sharing with Nicholas that she is completely being controlled by this woman. It pained him to know what she was going through.

The first time I really think she laid it all out on the line to someone and said, this is what's really going on. And this is really wrong and terrible. And I'm living this terrible life under the control of this woman, and I don't know how to get out of it. That's part of the reason why I started to grow the hatred towards her mom

because no child should ever, ever have to, ever endure that. I think she wanted his sympathy. She wanted him to know just how much she was suffering and how much she needed him to save her, to be her savior. As time went on, they grew more and more and more in love and more and more desperate to be with each other. Nicholas tells police that in 2014, the couple grew so desperate that they began to see

Dede's death as the only way they could be together. As early as about May of 2014. about May of 2014. MUSIC We get the first hint that they're thinking about murder. Nicholas loved Gypsy. I think he would obviously do anything for her. I think she used that as fuel to bring up my passion to want to get rid of her mom. She made it clear that it would only work if D.D. was out of the picture.

If D.D. was not there, I think that's where the gym started in Nick's brain that I can do that for you. Let's get rid of her. It didn't really matter what it took. I wanted to make for you. Let's get rid of her. It didn't really matter what it took. I wanted to make sure her mom was not going to harm her anymore. I made sure that. I'm not going to be able to go back. Coming up, Gypsy and Nicholas

begin making their deadly plans. I told her that once we do this, we are not going to be able to go back. And their first face-to-face encounter goes horribly awry. At this point, her mom is basically rushing out of the theater. Apparently, she was scared of me.

I don't know why she was scared of me. I don't know why. In the winter of 2014, Gypsy Rose blanchored and Nicholas Goedajon were planning to spend the rest of their lives together. They wanted to have a baby, they wanted to get married, they wanted to be together forever. But their happiness depended on one thing, getting rid of Gypsy's mother. The roadblocks in that relationship was deity. It was Gypsy's idea that murder was the only option

because she had tried running away before, and it didn't work. Gypsy did not believe that she could personally kill Claudeine. So she asked him to do it for her. She had me so convinced I was doing the way. There were thoughts between Nicholas and Gypsy that maybe we don't have to go to the extreme. Maybe we can be together and not go all the way to murder.

One of the ideas they had was for Nicholas to get Gypsy pregnant. So Nicholas would be forced to be in her life because he'd be the father of her child. And Ditty would have to accept him for whatever reason. They scratched that idea off the table. One of the plans was let's try and stage this cute meat where you'll meet my mom and she'll love you

and then we'll let her know that we're becoming boyfriend girlfriend and she'll be behind it and everything will be great and we'll have her support. Gypsy loved everything Disney and so they decided that the perfect place to meet would be at the theater when the live-action Cinderella movie came out. The plan was that Mr. Gaudashon would show up at the movie, appear to be a stranger, just happened to essentially run into Gypsy and Claudine, and the idea was Claudine would get to know him that way, get to like him, and then ultimately approve of their relationship.

She sent Nicholas Money, bottom of Bust ticket, so he could come down to Missouri to see her. We ended up meeting on the 12th of March, 2015. Very first time I got to see her, her mom was paying for the tickets, and she was paying for the tickets. Giffsey snuck away that man out, and I felt like, hey, she's hearing, she's hearing.

That felt great. Gypsy is dressed in basically a Cinderella outfit with a yellow wig on. Nicholas walked right up to Dee Dee while she was talking to a friend and introduced himself. And I said, did I hear that right? And your name is Dee Dee. And she's like, yeah, my name is Dee Dee.

And this is my daughter, Chipsy and Megan. Oh, nice to meet you. That little spark in my face, like, I know you, but she doesn't know, I know you. I mean, I was, I was planning pretty well. He sat next to Chipsy again, them to pretending that they didn't know each other. Chipsy's mother realizes that the showman's there

to be next to Gypsy and is not happy about that. Here's this guy who's showing up to a Disney movie by himself. I think she was a little creeped out by that. Apparently, Dee Dee got up and moved down a few rows and told Gypsy to follow her. But Gypsy stayed seated where she was. Her mama's so zoned into the movie that she didn't pay attention.

And every single time I was a kissing moment in the actual movie, we would end up kissing in the very same time. Not only that, we were also hiding our hands, the hell in each other's hands together, too. We were hiding that very well, too. There's a picture that we've gotten to take that it looks like we were truly happy together.

And... Yeah, definitely one of the highlights in my life. But halfway through the movie, I mean, her, you had this planned out to wear... She wanted to give me her revenge, so I was just gonna sneak it out. She'd let me run to the man's bathroom. I ended up taking her virginity,

all of a sudden, that I was in the state of bliss. I've never experienced that before. Oh, really, really. Oh, I didn't. It's one of those feelings right now. How was I going to have back? And then just as her mom was coming out of the theater to the wonder where she was, perfect timing.

I ended up being ready in the concession stand to make it look like I was just trying to get something from maybe popcorn or something like that. At this point, her mom is basically rushing out of the theater and she's like, oh, I gotta catch a phone line with a camera down, I'm like, okay, I'll talk to you later. Just before I ended up having to go to get a taxi,

I ended up getting a quick pack of on the lips from her forcibly. Nicholas believed their staged meetup had gone according to plan, but he soon learned that wasn't the case. Ultimately, Mr. Gaudashan leaves and finds out from Gypsy that her mom ended up not actually liking him or thought he was weird. Apparently she was scared of me. I don't know why she was scared of me. I don't know why. I think that Gypsy knew then that any hope of convincing her mom that she could make her own decisions, have her own life, have her own friends,

have her own relationships, anything, was not going to happen. Dee Dee was not an acceptance of any relationship that Gypsy would have, so Dee Dee was very protective not to let anybody in, so the plan for them to be together and that Dee Dee would accept him did not happen at that point. I don't think that was ever going to happen just because it couldn't,

because of what Dee Dee needed from Gypsy to keep this con going, so I don't know why they thought that was going to work. With their plan of failure, Gypsy and Nicholas agreed they had only one choice left. We really realized that we had to be together. It just had to. There's no other option we had to. After the meeting at the theater went so terribly wrong,

that's when they knew they were going to have to kill her. That's when I told her, you know I would do anything to be with you. How should we kill her then became the next step?