Snapped: Women Who Murder - Gypsy Rose & Nick Godejohn (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 6, 2020

Part 2 of a two-hour special examining the desperate love story of Gypsy Rose Blanchard and Nicholas Godejohn and their joint decision to kill Gypsy’s abusive mother, Claudine “Dee Dee” Blanchard.  Features an exclusive prison interview with Nicholas Godejohn.Killer Couples Special EpisodeOriginally aired: July 13, 2019See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. In May of 2015, Gypsy Blanchard and Nicholas Ghoda John decided murdering her mother She was a little bit more than I thought. She was a little bit more than I thought. She was a little bit more than I thought. She was a little bit more than I thought. She was a little bit more than I thought. She was a little bit more than I thought.

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to keep her away from her, I'll go to her. I think Nicholas was also hesitant. I don't think he necessarily wanted to go through with it. I think he tried to maybe talk Gypsy out of it a few times and it didn't work. So once he realized it wasn't going to work, he got on the board with it. And that's when I told her, you know, I would do anything to be able to. So once he realized it wasn't going to work, he got on the board with it.

And that's when I told her, you know I would do anything to be with you. So they're like, okay, if you're really serious about this, then this is something to not talk around about. You have to understand that once we do this, we are not going to be able to go back. This is something to not turn back from. And I just like, understand understand that, I understand that. A lot of different methods we went through a lot of them. Making it look like a mountain committed suicide, which too much work is what she ended up thinking

that was, then I ended up going from there to like poisoning. For the poisoning thing, we really didn't know how to get in there. And hand it on, and they put them. Once you brought up a fire, I don't know like that makes too much noise. You don't want to alert anyone around you.

Nicholas determined stabbing would be the best way to kill Deity because she would bleed out faster, and he fired me just a quick, easy death for her. I told her that you don't want to alert your neighbors or anything else like that. So that might be the way we have to cope with. So really, in my eyes, the way I see it, I see it is basically it was a conjoined decision. It was really both of our decision-mid new set of training. It took some time for them to plan everything. They had to make sure everything was in place for the murder to happen,

and then to get away as quickly as possible. Chip C pays for his bus ticket to get him down from Wisconsin. She had sent him money. She would be, I think, pretty good at taking money from her mom, and she ended up mailing that to Mr. Go Deshon. There was a definitely more excitement, I think, building in their communication as they knew the day was getting closer to

Dee Dee being murdered. She was just as excited and ready. She said, is that only the two of you together? That's all it matters to me. One of the other things that she said and that convinced her that it was the right thing to do, was to get the right thing to do. She was just as excited and ready. She said, it was only the two of you together.

That's all it matters to me. One of the other things that she said and that convinced her that it was the right thing to do, was to get the right thing to do. She said, it was only the two of you together together, that's all matters of me. One of the other things that she said that convinced her that it was the right thing to do, she said, I love you more than all of my mom. Like, really? I'm not joking about that. I really mean that.

I said to her, I feel honored that I love you. It was a very dupts of my heart too, you know? I want to do anything where you if I can. On June 8, 2015, Nicholas Gauda-John boarded a bus in Waukeshaw, Wisconsin, to head for Springfield, Missouri. It was a 17-hour bus ride. Tennessee Gypsy was on my mind the entire time. I was driven to be with her regardless of what happened to me. It would be with her. That's what was in my mind the entire time. I was driven to be with him regardless. What happened, I was going to be with him.

That's what was in my mind. That's what I made my mind up to. I'm going to tell how it was enough to happen. About 5'6am on June 9th is when Mr. Go to Sean gets to Springfield. He gets into town and he gets his motel room. For the most part, he spends that day in his motel room. I mean, we're talking to each other the entire time. They not seamlessly, rather awkwardly,

transition from talking about all of the preparation for murder to having sex, and what kind of sex they're gonna have, and what Gypsy'll wear. The motions were building and it was definitely evident in their text messages to each other. their text messages to each other. Mm. I think she was captive in a real slant.

Her individuality was stifled and she was under the thumb of her mother. She viewed her escape as requiring the most extreme behavior possible, which was murder. As we start getting to the evening of June 9th, as it's getting closer, again, this excitement is coming out in their conversations.

She would play on this notion that she really didn't believe I'd do it. She wouldn't believe I'd do it. It was like, you're not back to know what I'm going to argue. In June of 2015, Nicholas Gauda-John traveled to the home of Gypsy and D.D. Blanchard, with the intent of murdering D.D. in her sleep. It was Nicholas and Gypsy's last desperate resort to be together after their other plans had failed. They had worked it out between each other.

She was going to leave the door open. She was going to have the knife for him, and then it was up to him to do the ultimate deed. She repeatedly thanks him for doing what needs to be done, but one point she phrases it, thank you for doing the worst for the best of us. She just make mention in her text messages when she is alerting Mr. Godashan

that Claudine's taken her sleeping pill. She should be asleep soon. She's like, I said, goodnight to my mom. I'm at peace now. I got to say my last lovey to her and everything else. I'm ready for this 100% and it's what she told me. After that, he took a cab from the days in to the address on Volunteer Way.

At one point, Mr. Godashan asks whether or not Claudine is a light or a heavy sleeper. She was excited about it, but at the same time, I could tell from the way that she was talking to me, that she was afraid that this wasn't gonna go as well as it was said. She would play on this notion that she really didn't believe I'd do it. She's like, you're not back to know it, I mean, are you gonna make no? About 207 AM, he texts Chipsy, I'm here.

Just as I go, OK, I caught a doll that he meant. And she said, make sure you have it. The light text goes on at the time. Well, that's what I did. I had to have them on. The very second that you let me in the door, I put my very foot's foot down. I had one of those moments might only have once in the door. I put my very first foot down. I had one of those moments

that might only have once in your lifetime. It was an angel and a devil. First, the angel spoke. It actually said his very actual words was take care and run. And then you had the other part of me that time, devil. What ended up telling me was this bitch is dead.

That's all it said, this bitch is dead. And that's so done and raised the house out of me quick. Unfortunately, that part of me wanted to come out for a very long time in the very first opportunity of God. It didn't waste any time to try to make an example out of somebody, unfortunately. That dark shadow part of me

that really is triggered by anger. Once that little anger clicks, I see red. I see red. So I had a whispering to Gypsy get in the bathroom because I just want to get this over with. I'm not put forward. I just want to get this over with. I'm not put forward. I just don't turn me back. I just admit that I just went on top of the curtain,

instantaneously woke her up. Claudine actually woke up and could tell that this strange person was on top of her and was actually asking who he was. Janet of asking me, who are you? I'm Mary Rue, I think not Mary Rue. Once you were struggling that other part of me he ended up saying, you'll be dead

before I let you get between me and Yobwe. I lost all control. I had no control of my body, none. He stabbed her 17 times in the back, almost decapitated her. Gypsy was in the bathroom hiding. As her mother was being stabbed, she heard her mother screaming and even calling her name.

And Gypsy felt bad. She just stayed hidden in the bathroom the entire time and didn't go to her mother's rescue. After her mom passed away, I stayed the doorway, like, a good five minutes to make sure her mom was gone. I didn't want her someone getting up and then going after her daughter or trade golf for me or something. I just wanted to make sure after that I didn't go to the bathroom door.

We had a code that we came up with. This way, you know it's me, rather than her mom. MUSIC MUSIC I ended up having a wound on my finger that I was bleeding all over the house, so she had to clean that up. He actually had asked that Gypsy clean naked

because that was a turn-on to him. After that happened, he was made up having sex and Gypsy's bedroom. After the crime was committed and they did what they thought they needed to do to clean up the scene, they went back to the hotel where Nicholas had been staying. They were excited after they committed the murder. The mission was accomplished and it was a time for celebration

so that they could be together. I'm feeling it. There's this video. It's Nicholas naked in the bed and she's giggling. Hey, hey, hey, branny. But later, he won't be eating me. It's just so laissez faire, it's so removed from two, three hours ago. I killed your mom. Two, three hours ago, I had you kill my mom.

Oh, let's giggle and have sex to make videos. No sense of remorse, no sense of regret, no sense of sadness. I was with her in the hotel two days, both blissful. They actually then were scheduled to get back on a gray hound bus to Wisconsin that next day. Gypsy had by this point ditched the wheelchair. The surveillance from the Greyhound bus station shows them waiting in line and then ultimately finally getting on that bus to go back to Wisconsin. The most

of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most of the most most most most most most most most most walking on distances. She didn't have it build up on legs straight to walk longer distances. We had such a peaceful weather. We had a lot of conversations. I just got the hold of the lock. I got to do a lot of things that I wanted to do. I don't think they were worried or concerned.

They were going to get caught. I think they were still just very excited and giddy that they were together. And Gypsy was free from the torture and the abuse and she was a free woman. And I believe they lived that way until they ultimately were caught. We actually said we would never talk about this, I really got.

We would never utter this to another soul. But on June 14th, Gypsy made a faithful decision and logged into the Facebook account. She once shared with her mother. At some point after the homicide, Gypsy had posted on Facebook the bitch is dead. She believed that making that Facebook post was sensational enough that it would get people to act and to eventually find her mom. I don't think Nicholas knew that Gypsy was going to be making

the Facebook post, but by her making that Facebook post, she definitely alerted authorities to where she was. On the morning of June 15th, 2015, Nicholas and Gypsy are asleep in his bed, when they're startled awake by an alarming sound. Morning, I will never forget. I remember me and her being spoke out of a dead sleep with a police saying, I know this guy is coming out of there.

He's come out with their hands up. Suddenly, the home where Nicholas and Gypsy are staying is surrounded by SWAT team officers. She ended up going into the freaking closet. I just followed her. When she started crying, so I tried to comfort her. And I told her, I don't care if I got a freaking protect you with my dead body, I'm not gonna let them take you.

And that's when she realized she didn't want that to happen. And she was actually scared of that. I think that's the reason why she started to turn herself in first. They do have this final moment where they're in Mr. Go to Shams closet and he is reiterating to her to make sure to stick to the story that they had come up with. She ended up saying, I love an adori, it was what you always say to each other all the time.

I said, I love an adori too. Just before she was about to go down there, I got out that last kiss. That's when she turned chairself in. That's when she turned chair self in. I came down slowly, and they arrested me. Coming up, with Nicholas and Gypsy in custody, story start to shift and the finger pointing begins. Gypsy pretended she didn't even know her mother was dead.

And the question rises, he did, Chip C ever truly loved Nicholas. Or did she simply want to be done with her mother's abuse and manipulation forever? I think Chip C learned to defeat at the master. I don't know why I didn't see this coming. The hardest true crime story to report on is your own. I'm Tiffany Reese, host of the podcast, Something was Wrong. For 15 seasons, I've always aimed to validate and amplify the voices of those who have survived abuse and crime.

But for season 16, I'm opening up for the first time about my own experiences as an abuse survivor and a murder co-victim. With the help of trusted friends, we'll unpack my journey to becoming a victim advocate by examining my past. From the emotional and physical abuse I endured at the hands of my parents, and the bullying I received from my classmates, to the murder of my brother and the securities fraud my father was convicted of. I'm covering it all and even learning more about myself through this process.

This is obviously a very personal journey for me, but I believe that this will play a part in my healing, helping me to process the trauma that I endured. Follow something was wrong wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. On June 15, 2015, Walker Shaw County Sheriff's deputies detained Gypsy Blanchard and Nicholas Gota-John in Big Bend, Wisconsin. They had me in a cell by myself.

What I remember that happened was they were trying to take me back to another one and I walked on a pasta. And she just started to go point in while. She basically says, Every parent, sorry, I'm sorry. I love you. Please don't forget, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm like, all I did is stop and look at it. And one of the officers personally and we keep on walking. We served the search warrant the next day to actually search the residence for evidence after Gypsy and Nicholas were arrested. In Nicholas's bedroom is where the majority of the evidence was found. They find a cache of cash, you know, thousands of dollars,

that probably was stolen from Deity from the home. The murder weapon is there with blood still on it. They had shipped it from Springfield to Wisconsin to his home. Before leaving Springfield for Wisconsin, Gypsy was worried that if they took the knife with them on the bus, they would get discovered. So they did go to a post office and mailed both the knife and the gloves.

Nicholas had told us ahead of time where the knife would be. And sure enough, that's where we found the knife. In his closet, in the package, not open yet. They did not clean up their tracks very well at all. When Gypsy and Nicholas were taken into custody, they were not hesitant about speaking about their actions. Detectives that were in that interview were quite surprised that she was getting around by herself, walking, and did not seem to be an

SS, desperate of a health state as Green County thought she may be. Not only was she okay, but it appeared pretty clearly that she was there willingly with Mr. Gaudishan as his girlfriend. How did you get from this really to here? Not a weekend, I started when my boyfriend didn't come. I don't know how much he told the house. He told the other night, you know, also.

OK. Apparently, when I see told me, her mom picked her home as her house. OK. So she texted me to pick her home. The first story he gave was that they had met and gotten in a relationship, and that his understanding is that Gypsy had been kicked out of her house, so he was going to take the Greyhound bus down to Springfield

to pick her up, bring her back to Wisconsin to live with him, basically. I was worried sick about her when I got there, I wanted to find her as soon as possible. Okay. Then she was on wander in the streets. Nicholas was very reluctant at first to admit his involvement. The investigator kept pressing him. Nick, I want you to do the honorable thing, OK?

For a gypsy. About 20 minutes or so into the actual interview he admitted to murdering Claudine. I'm in the truth, it's okay, I'll admit it. I did actually stay up for a month. I will make it. I know, okay. I have a lot of reasons I did,

because I did for me and I realize I'm really good at it. I would have never did it if it was not for me. Okay. The interview from Nicholas Goodejohn gave quite a bit of information that wasn't correct with what Gypsy was stating. And I want you to understand that you need to be honest with me. And if you're involved in anything,

you're not about right to tell you that you need to tell me. Okay. Gypsy pretended she didn't even know her mother was dead. Um, your mom's dead, okay? Now, what I want to ask you is... It will pass, okay? You're in your mom's, your mom's passed away, okay? She's deceased, all right?

Now, what I want to ask you, did you have a moment in this? Okay. No. No, I know. Gypsy still try a little bit longer to say, no, no, no, I don't know. I have no idea what happened to her. And he really just says, no, you know.

I've never hurt my mom. Yeah, so you are like, do you really want to take yourself? You're taking yourself deep. No, seriously, I've never hurt her. Start to be listening to me, OK? I don't, I don't play around with that. OK, I'm not going to play around with this. That's when she starts finally breaking down.

I can do it like my mom. I know you do. I know you, sweetheart, I know you love your mom. Look, Nick and my mom think you're gonna want very good. Good. But that's all I know. So why do you think you did this? I didn't say they did it. So I know that he loves me and he would do anything for me and to be with me.

Okay, the masquerade is directed straight. Have you killed your mom? No, I know, sir. Did you have knowledge of the house? It's good to kill your mom. It's stuff where he did it. Yes, sir. Did Jipsy know that you you were gonna kill her mother?

Um, honestly, she asked me to. Do you think that if Gypsy had nashed, she'd kill her mom, you'd ever killed her mom? I know I wouldn't do that. Okay. You just did it because you love Gypsy and Gypsy-ass. You do it. OK. You just did a crazy love. Gypsy and Gypsy asked you to do a good job. When detectives confront Gypsy with Nicholas' statement,

she continues to profess her innocence. But detectives quickly find evidence to the contrary. Things were progressing very quickly, all the same time, in Springfield, Missouri. We were unveiling Facebook communication back and forth between Gypsy and Nicholas Goethe John that painted a much different story. For police, they had so much evidence.

Right, almost from the get-go. This plan was very clear that Gypsy made the suggestion assisted. She talked Nicholas Goethe John into carrying the plan out. Fascinating new details in a Springfield murder case, Gypsy Blanchard and her boyfriend, Nicholas Go John, are now jailed in Wisconsin on first-degree murder. People were obviously bewildered by what was going on before their eyes.

Gypsy Blanchard supposedly suffered from cancer obviously bewildered by what was going on before their eyes. Gypsy Blanchard supposedly suffered from cancer and multiple health issues who had been in a wheelchair, and suddenly she walks into a walk-a-shot county courthouse handcuffed as the suspect in her mother's mark. You start realizing the depths of this con. Gypsy didn't know that she wasn't actually sick. She knew she didn't need the wheelchair, but she actually thought she had cancer.

She had all of these different diseases. And it wasn't until after she was arrested that she learned that she was actually healthy. We learned that D.D. Blanchard had for years cajoled and pushed on doctors to say that she had all sorts of medical conditions that she didn't have. Munch has him by proxy.

We're first to a very important form of child abuse. The munch has them by proxy perpetrator is willing to view their child as an object, to be manipulated rather than a child to be loved. And so they feign exaggerate or actually induce illness in their child in order to get some sort of emotional gratification. They don't do it primarily to get money, though that may happen. As a result of having a sick child, they do it primarily because they'd like the attention that they're getting. The abuse in the blanchored case is as potent and disturbing as any I've ever seen. DD and Gypsy were victims of Hurricane Katrina. DD claimed that all of the medical records for Gypsy

were destroyed and that would be ideal for someone who wants to suppress those records and not have them seen by future doctors. Gypsy led a horrible life. Gypsy was confined to a wheelchair, fed medications, hoped, brought in. I will never say. Never say that Gypsy is not a victim. No one should ever, no child, for that matter,

should ever have to be raised that way. No one ever should ever have to be raised that way. So my heart goes out to her for that. The question then becomes, did Gypsy really love Nicholas? Or was he just a pawn that she manipulated in order to do what she wanted and needed? He felt like he was saving her. And that was her.

I mean, I can't believe he went that route. If Nick would have came to me and I would have ended totally different. But she must have had a hold on them. It's not crazy to think that Gypsy learned from her mother how to manipulate people because Dee Dee had been doing it her entire life. I think Gypsy learned at the feet of the master.

She learned that people can be manipulated, and she found an individual who was in love with her, and willing to do anything she said. Somebody who also was willing to do what it would take to free Gypsy from the stranglehold her mother had on her, and Nicholas was more than willing. Originally, in the beginning, I did feel that she was not taking responsibility for her actions, but at the same time, due to the way I know she was raised, I can't blame her. I can't.

How is Justice delivered in a case like this? When the lines between victim and perpetrator are so blurred? Who's the real Dylan here? It's somehow just new, deeper than my heart. Some way, I mean, her were ended up being together in the end. On June 16, 2015, Nicholas Goode-John and Gypsy Rose Blanchard are indicted for the murder of Gypsy's mother, Dee Dee. Startling new developments in an already bizarre murder case in Springfield. Gypsy, Blanchard, now charged with killing her mother.

My wife and I went and saw Gypsy and Green County jail, because I needed some answers. And the biggest one was, why did you not say anything to anybody? All you had to do was stand up one time in public, and all this would have been different. And the only thing she could say was, the only reason I didn't say anything is because I didn't want mom to go to jail. To which my response was, well, this is a little bit more permanent to that.

And she just kind of hung her head and said, I understand. On July 5, 2016, the Green County District Attorney's Office holds a surprise hearing in the case of Gypsy Blanchard. Twenty-four-year-old Gypsy Blanchard stood in the courtroom looking scarier and nervous as she admitted to planning and killing her mother, Dee Dee Blanchard. Gipsy was at the center of an international story that drew headlines around the world. I think most people were stunned to find out that a murder plot was drawing this kind of national attention. Dee Dee obviously was the main victim of a murder,

but there was a lot of sympathy for Gypsy, not for the act, not for what she did, but for what led her to that. Ultimately, prosecutors offered Gypsy Blanchard a plea deal, and she took that. How did you plead to the class a felony of murder in the second degree? Gypsy will spend 10 years in jail. She will only get the possibility of probation

if she serves eight years of her sentence. When you look at her situation, it really probably is the worst case of child abuse that you'll ever see. And so for her, it was such a mitigating factor that we did feel that, although we can't condone it, and we don't give a free pass, we certainly give a lot of consideration,

because she really did suffer pretty horrifically, and that was really her life up until that point. The question now becomes, what happens to Nicholas? In November 2018, Nicholas Goldajohn's trial begins in Green County, Missouri. Coming into the trial, there was a bit of a misconception that due to the very severe abuse of gypsy that came out, that that was actually why Nicholas Gotishan murdered Claudine.

There was a ton of evidence against both Nicholas and Gypsy. There were computer searches, text messages, Facebook messages. That was a big part, I think, of what I hope dispelled this night and shining armor myth about Mr. Gaudishan is that it wasn't a reluctant, I guess I'll just do what has to be done to save you that he really got into the role for him, that he got to sort of play this sassin.

He's finalizing the plan in his head, thinking about it, in the day and hours before he goes to Jelke. Not only that, he was looking forward to it, any side of that. The defense primarily was, and that because of Mr. Gaudashon's autism, that he just simply did not have the ability to deliberate. Gipsy manipulated Nick, a low functioning person with autism. And then Gypsy Pressure's Nick in a committee on homicide against her mother.

A secondary element of their defense is probably also was to make this a lot about Gypsy and the fact that this was her idea to get some of that attention away from Mr. Gaudijon and his actions. Line, conning people, manipulating people, that's all she had known. And so, that was really their only recourse in the defensive Nicholas to say, yes, he did stab me, yes, he did kill her,

but this was all Gypsy's idea, and she manipulated him into doing this. She's the evil genius behind this. On November 15, 2018, Nicholas' defense attorney calls Gypsy Blanchard to the stand. When Gypsy walked into testify, the one thing a lot of people wanted to know was, how is Nick going to react? It's the first time she and Nicholas have been in the same room since they were arrested three years earlier.

He stared at her hungrily. Like, he wanted to drink her in. He couldn't get enough of her. From the moment she walked in, his eyes tracked her all the way until she went to sit down to give her testimony. She could tell from my eye, I contact with her that I don't like but you dare lie out and stand. But you dare lie on the stand.

This watch is for you to read you. You saw with Twitter. When you're out. When Jipsey testified at Nicholas's trial, she was pretty forthright. It was an idea when they could kill your mother. Nine. Whose idea was it to kill your mother? Mine. Why did you want to kill your mother?

Because I wanted to be free of her hold on me. Did you and Nick ever talk about this? Yes. Who initially brought up killing your mother? I did. She didn't meant it was her original idea, and she asked him to do it for her. She provided the weapon and did the planning with him.

So she was pretty forthright about that. Who taught you to be killing your mother? I did. I taught him into it. Even though she was a witness for the defense, ultimately, her testimony served better for the prosecution because she said that Nicholas was 100% willing to do anything she wanted.

State of Missouri versus Nicholas Gaudijon, the jury has announced that they have reached a burden. As to count one, we, the jury, find the defendant, Nicholas, go to John, guilty of murder in the first degree. How that verdict and everything happened, how it came down was influenced by Satan himself. I really do believe that. I believe that he was preing the actual whole thing.

I've seen too much of it. I've seen too much science that he was around. At Sincenseing, he told the judge that all he ever wanted was to be loved. All he wanted was a woman's love. And that's why he committed the murder because he was blindly in love with Gypsy. And he asked the judge to show him any kind of mercy. We assess and declare the punishment

for murder in the first degree at imprisonment or life without the possibility of probation or approval. I wasn't surprised, like I said, when I had it happen, no. I mean, there was a shock at first, but then I got over the shock. It wasn't like being shell shocked where it was a glass of long time but then I got over the shock. It wasn't like being shell-shocked, where it was the last a long time it didn't happen that way.

Despite his life sentence, Nicholas remains optimistic about his chances for an appeal. Even when I know that the threat is going to turn out to be that, I'm not afraid of it, because I know that there's something better waiting for me. I know there's a better, very equateing for me. or something better waiting for me. I know there's a better, very equateing for me. Nicholas Gota-John is a young man

who now is spending the rest of his life behind bars. And the question is, what more could have been done for this young man prior to this happening? I should have been more aware of what was how they were interacting and how far I was progressing and what they wanted. The stars aligned somehow that these two individuals found each other and ultimately did commit this murder that obviously captured the nation's attention.

Though he will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars, Nicholas says he has no regrets about freeing Gypsy from her mother's abuse, and claims he still loves Gypsy with all his heart. Despite the fact that Gypsy says she's moved on from their relationship, and in 2019, she announced her engagement to a new man. I feel that she could still be the one. Somehow, I just knew deep within my heart.

Someway, I mean, her end up being together in the end. I don't know how I knew that, but it's just something that is unexplainable. I feel that she's still with me. Hi, honey. I would have done it again. I really would have done it again. I might have done it.

Definitely, but I would have done it again. I just couldn't see her suffer in my... For more information on killer couples, go to oxygen.com. you