Snapped: Women Who Murder - Jasmine Harlee

Episode Date: July 11, 2021

An investigation into the mysterious death of a loving mother leads authorities to uncover a diabolical plot hatched close to home.Season 25, Episode 20Originally aired: July 14, 2019Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WsLCJWqmIebWatch "Snapped Notorious: The Girl in the Box” on Saturday, July 17 at 9:00 PM ET/PT on Oxygen!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wonder East Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi Snap listeners, stay tuned at the end of the episode for a sneak peek at Oxygen's new snap notorious special the girl in the box airing this Saturday, July 17th at 9-8 Central only on Oxygen She was a loving single mother looking forward to her golden years

The very social person with the neighborhood she ever lacked her door Everybody who knew her loved her she she was just such a blessing, such a bright spot in her lives. But on February 1st, 2017, this pillar of the neighborhood meets an unexpected end. They were trying to give him instructions how to give CPR.

She could hear a female voice in the background crying. I learned that she had had extensive medical history that she was not healthy. She ended up on the floor. Next to the bed with the pill bottles all over the floor, she was very, very affected by her daughter now living with her, and she was heartbroken. Did heartbreak push her over the edge?

Or had this beloved single mother put her trust in the wrong person? He was controlling. He had to control and see where she was every minute and where she was doing. She made it very clear that she was in a rush. She couldn't stay long because she was scared of his violent tendencies. You have to promise me. If something after ever happens to me.

Promise me you're going to go to the police. I'm just going to be after the actual problem. I'm going to be there. I just want to stop it, really. You're like, oh, my God. In Ontario, New York, the Orchard Grove Village Mobile Home Park is mostly a quiet, tight-knit community. It's basically a rural area by the lake. It's a trailer park, it's a small community.

You know, everybody's gonna know everybody. At 9.45pm, on February 1st, 2017, 62-year-old Susan Morton and her family and friends are chatting outside her trailer when they notice something alarming. Ryan, my nephew, that was with me. He looked on the road and he goes, oh my god, there's a million cop cars down there. He goes, I think, there are Julie's. 52-year-old Julie Martin is a resident of the community and Susan Morton's younger sister. So they ran down there in the gen at my other sister.

Julie's daughter, 21-year-old Jasmine Harley, and her boyfriend, 21-year-old Knowledge Couser, are already on the scene. Her house was surrounded by crime tape, and there was police all over her. Jasmine was screaming and crying, saying, her mother's gone. She was was screaming and crying, saying, her mother's gone, she was dead.

And I just lost it. Everybody was in shock. I mean, they just couldn't believe it. Julie Neal was born in Rochester, New York in 1964. With a warm personality and a talent for styling hair, Julie grew up dreaming of being a hairdresser. She did everybody's hair. She never charged anybody. Everybody loved her. She just was a good person.

She was never in a bad mood. She was just always happy to talk to people, ask how their day was. She don't meet a lot of people like that. After high school, Julie's dreams came true. But she quickly discovered that it wasn't easy to make a living cutting hair. So when she turned 25, Julie applied for a more traditional job at the Xerox Factory in

Ontario, New York. She drove forklift, she was a packer, part, everything, you know. She loved it. She was a hard worker and everybody loved her. Julie just always had a smile on her face. She's it. She was a hard worker, and everybody loved her. Julie just always had a smile on her face. She's funny. She's a lot of fun to be around. Every time you saw Julie, she'd greet you with, uh, hey, baby.

Although Julie loved her job, by the time she entered her 30s, she still felt something was missing. She told me at one point that if she wasn't married, her head children by the time she was 30, she was gonna be a mother. She wanted to have a child. That dream began to show promise when she laid eyes on a local factory worker

named Frederick Harley. It was in 1995. Frederick came home and he said to me, money has to work. I met this girl. Her name's Julie Neal. Despite their very different backgrounds, the two quickly fell in love.

Soon, Julie discovered she was pregnant. In June of 1995, the couple welcomed their daughter, Jasmine Harley, into the world. She had Jasmine that night. She called me and I peed over there and I'm blighted. Oh, my God, I'm going to still feel so cruddy. She was a good-looking baby. Better than mine.

Although Jasmine was adored by her family, the bouncing baby wasn't enough to hold her parents' relationship together. It was like an orphan-owned, orphan-owned situation into her. He just said enough was enough, and he didn't try to go bad. After Frederick left, Julie continued to work at Xerox. During the week, she left Jasmine in the care of her doting grandmother, Ruby. And on the weekends, Julie devoted herself to her only child.

We work a lot of overtime, and she spoiled her with every penny that she got. She dressed her to the nines, and she spoiled her with every penny that she got. She trust her to the nines and she had everything matching. Jasmine was her whole world. She always wanted to be a mom and she was just really, really happy she had her little girl. As Jasmine grew up, she began to resemble her kindhearted mother. She really just like a mom. If she can do anything for you, she'll do it. Jasmine would confide in Julie about things always. She had open communication.

In 2013, Jasmine graduated from SOTUS High School in Wayne County, New York. Shortly after that, Julie and Jasmine moved to a mobile home community in Ontario, closer to Julie's job at Xerox. Julie was a very social person with the neighborhood. She ever locked her door. Everybody called her grandma and the kids.

You know, would come over and she'd give them candy and everything. They'd pull weeds for, you know, and help her, you know. And she just treated everybody good. The neighbors loved her. While Julie approached retirement at Xerox, Jasmine was just beginning her own career. J.S. got a job at Walmart. Nagra was doing so good.

She was headed for the flow manager. She went from being that little girl to a woman. She was headed for the flow manager. She went from being that little girl to a woman, and she wanted to have a boyfriend in her life that loved her cared for her. In 2015, 19-year-old Jasmine met fellow 19-year-old Knowledge Couser. He has multiple siblings, half and whole siblings.

He was raised in different homes. By the time he met Jasmine, he was living in the nearby city of Rochester. Soon, Jasmine moved out of her mom's home and into knowledge's apartment, leaving Julie with an empty nest. Julie and Jasmine clearly had a love for each other. They were the only two in the home.

That's when I noticed her change. People would tell me that she was very, very affected by her daughter not living with her. She was heartbroken. Then, just before the holidays in 2016, Jasmine unexpectedly lost her job. Financially, it was a lot tougher than she thought it was going to be. And so she would ask Julie if her boyfriend could live with them in Julie's home,

since they couldn't afford it on their own. Julie loved Jasmine and would do pretty much anything that she needed. If she wanted to leave, she could leave, come back, she could come back, she's a caring, loving mother. But the mother and daughter's loving reunion would prove to be short-lived. On February 1, 2017, around 10 p.m., operators in Wayne County, New York

receive a frantic phone call from knowledge and jasmine. The boyfriend of the daughter of Julie Martin had called 911, said that he and his girlfriend, daughter, had discovered body of their mother in the trailer. She was laying on the floor and appeared she was dead. They were trying to give him instructions how to give CPR. He could hear a female voice in the background crying.

Within minutes, paramedics and deputies from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office arrive at Julie's trailer. When the sheriff's arrived initially on scene, the bedroom that Julie was found in was kind of in disarray. Her head was towards the doorway, head her nightgown on.

They had attempted CPR, and that was not successful. Officers then go outside to tell her only child, the grim news. It's very sad. Just unbelievably, you would just never have expected something like this to happen to her. Jasmine was crying. Her mother was recently deceased, so there's a lot of emotions.

Coming up, while a family grapples with a painful loss, questions emerge about Julie Martin's final moments. I was looking for defensive wounds. Some sort of trauma or something. Basically, anything that would be unusual. There was a possibility of an overdose by pills. There are two unknown males walking around the trailer park. After years of working as a single mom, 52-year-old Julie Martin was looking forward to retirement with her grown daughter, Jasmine Harley.

Then, on February 1, 2017, Jasmine and her boyfriend, 21-year-old knowledge-couser, find Julie dead in her home. While the family grieves outside, Wayne County Sheriff's investigators tried to piece the scene together. It was clear that she had been tipped over in a chair that she was in. She was covered in food.

There was also a table that had been moved in place on the bed. She was covered in food. There was also a table that had been moved in place on the bed. She ended up on the floor next to the bed with the pill battles all over the floor in the nightstand right next door. And they thought that there was a possibility of an overdose by pills.

There were all prescription medication. And looking up some of those medications, we did see that it had to do with high blood pressure and heart conditions and what have you. She obviously had some medical issues. I could see some sores and bruising, scabbing that type on the body. Possibly, she'd gotten up thinking she would have

a heart attack or some sort of medical problem and had fallen and just simply knocked everything over. Still, investigators know that Julie is only 52 years old. Nothing disturbing, but her age. She wasn't an old person, you know? She wouldn't know and have terminal illness. Not just supposed to be the seats. There's gotta be something there.

I was looking for defensive wounds, some sort of trauma or something, basically anything that would be unusual. There was no red flags popping out, you know, marks around her neck, you know, things that we typically look for. Detectives canvassed the scene for anything else suspicious. None of the windows were broke.

None of the doors had been forcibly entered. Nothing fresh, indicating that we had just had a break in or anything like that. There wasn't really too many signs of what appeared to be a struggle or of a violent crime. As Julie's body is sent for an autopsy, investigators turned to their only two witnesses, Julie's daughter Jasmine and her boyfriend knowledge. When they initially gave their statements to the deputies, Zancine, they were separated and their stories pretty much panned out to be the same.

To us, they stated they were out selling a cell phone to somebody that they had made contact through Craigslist. According to Jasmine and Knowledge, they had left Julie's home just before 7 p.m. and returned a little while later at 9.45 p.m. Knowledge and Jasmine didn't bring their keys with them. They left them at the house, but typically Julie Martin always left a side door unlocked.

They came back in through the back door, and that's when they found Julie Martin on the floor. And that's when they found Julie Martin on the floor. However, knowledge offers a chilling new detail in his statement. He said a pillow had been honored and had been moved, and there were markings on the pillow that was consistent with the food that was on her face and neck. And it does make us think, okay, could this potentially have been used to smother her?

Suspicious enough where I knew it does point, keep the case open, it wasn't just gonna be an open shot, medical type deal, it definitely needed to look further into it. When investigators ask the couple, if there is anyone who would want to hurt Julie, both knowledge and Jasmine come up empty.

What I learned about Julie is that she had many people who loved her. She had a lot of friends. She was friendly, caring, loving. Nobody in her area ever had an issue with her. She seemed like she just got along with everybody. I wasn't about to push the issue immediately, because again, her mother is just a cease.

It's just, you know, you guys can go home and do what you need to do, and then we can read your access later. After sending Jasmine a knowledge home with Jasmine's grandmother, investigators turn to the large group of neighbors gathering outside the police tape. Most of the neighbors are quick to tell police about Julie's health problems. When I first heard the news, that's the first thing I thought about. I thought she had a heart attack.

They were trying different medications and to try to get things under control. She had the best of health. One neighbor, though, recalls an incident that occurred earlier that evening. We had received some initial information that there was two unknown males walking around the trailer park, and it was at the time shortly before the police had arrived. We take that very seriously and followed up the information that we received from neighbors

with two suspicious individuals in the area. They'd gotten lost in a trailer park due to its size, and they asked for directions how to get to the church and Ridge Road. To us with it being the size of the trailer park in Ontario, that would not have stuck out as something unordinary. That was just information that we held on to.

We didn't know that it was going to be partnered or not. Investigators hope that Julie's autopsy can shine more light on her cause of death. Within a week, investigators receive the medical examiner's results. There was some hard issues where there was 90% clogging of 60% of the heart. However, the medical Examiner's report shows no evidence that a heart attack is what killed Julie. They weren't able to determine a cause of death.

At the time, they didn't have any answer. It didn't appear that there was any signs of anything that various that had happened to her. There was no signs of struggle on her body. If it wasn't heart failure, then what was responsible for Julie's death? The medical examiner knows one cause of death that can leave very few traces. There it is, the possibility that she was murdered.

Suffocation can be a little bit more complex. You may not see actual physical bruising or markings when somebody suffocates. Although the medical examiner cannot say for certain that Julie was smothered, his autopsy report, combined with knowledge causers' account of finding a pillow on Julie's face, leaves detectives wondering if her death is actually a homicide. When you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, it did seem to be a little bit suspicious to us. The area of the possibility that a struggle happened,

that's what's still on the table with not eliminated. When detectives receive a phone call from Julie's friend, their investigation takes a sharp turn. I called the sheriffs and told them. I was calling on behalf of one of my best friends. She had made me promise to notify the police in the event if anything ever happened to her. And she wanted them to know

to please investigate the daughter's boyfriend knowledge. She said, you have to promise me if something I've left up ever happens to me. Promise me you're gonna go to the police. Coming up, disturbing new text messages come to light. I hope you die, a slow, painful death. You fat, a thing pig, and I hope I get to watch. And investigators take a risk on a new piece of technology.

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Visit Wendery.com or download the Wendery app to get started. On February 4, 2017, just three days after the death of 52-year-old Julie Martin, police in Wayne County, New York have received a promising lead from Julie's close friend, Charlene Garnier. According to Charlene, the trouble began when Julie's only child, Jasmine Harley, had started dating knowledge Kaiser. Julie didn't think he was a good person for her daughter.

She was worried about the impact he was having on her life. Jasmine was just a happy, go lucky girl. And when she met knowledge, it was like he had control, complete control over her. Everything she did, she would ask him, you know, first. Friends and families say that when the couple moved in with Julie shortly before Christmas in 2016, Julie was stunned by just how much knowledge

had changed her daughter. She was at the age where I can do whatever I want, and she basically would say no to Julie about things where before she would never do something like that. You know, she just rebelled against her a lot. Julie did not think that knowledge was the right boy, I guess, at that point, young man to be dating her daughter, but when she would confront knowledge

with any of those issues, he would fight with Julie and Yela Julie, which would also then trigger Jasmine to fight with her mother. I told Julie, I said, if I was you, I would just let her go and not get with him, change the lots on your door. She was late.

But I love Jess. Julie's friends say that soon, knowledge's behavior went from disrespectful to terrifying. Knowledge had sent Julie a text message, and she showed it to me, and it said, I hope you die a slow, painful death. You fat, a thing pig, and I hope I get to watch. Once she showed me that text message, I was like,

oh, my God. We had people calling in telling us that these things were happening. That's a red flag to us. Detectives immediately take a closer look at knowledge and Jasmine's alibi. They claim they were going to Rochester to get rid of a cell phone and crack list.

We were unable to ever find that listing. Before any new leads develop, the investigation suffers a setback. Right when this incident occurred, when the next few weeks, the lead detectives on the case detect a pylchrist head injury that kept him out of work for a couple of months. With detective pylchrist head and injury that kept him out of work for a couple of months. With Detective Hylchard out of commission,

the investigation slows to a crawl. I was unable to do a lot of the like work. My coworkers continued to interview family members and friends because that information never stopped coming in. In the weeks and months that follow, Jasmine and Julie's family members and friends update investigators on knowledge and Jasmine's behavior. And the guy next door said,

you just, you know, like Jasmine and knowledge was all of a sudden one day they're throwing everything out of the trailer. She was getting rid of what we would all consider heirlooms and she was wearing a lot of the side road as trash. She immediately sold the trailer online for $10,000. Jasmine had sold and got rid of a lot of her mother's memorabilia

and family items, and that peaked the investigators interest into this case. They took the money and just went and stayed in hotels, and just they just blew the money. Her mom wasn't even gone for weeks, and all this was going on. It was just not normal behavior of somebody who was grieving the death of their mother.

After spending all of their money, Jasmine and knowledge begin checking in on the status of the case. Like once a month you call, trying to give us two clothes of case so that she could receive money from her mother's death. According to Jasmine, she is due to inherit over $300,000 from her mother's estate. The last thing keeping her from the insurance policy was this pending death certificate,

so she continued to hound the Monroe County medical examiners for that. The impatience which I think she demonstrated in terms of trying to find out information about the insurance policy, and that certainly erase some red flags with us. Does Jasmine's persistence hint at a greedy motive for murder? In April 2017, after more than six weeks down, Detective Hillcourt is cleared to return to the case.

His first priority is to get Jasmine and knowledge back into the station for an interview. And once I would entertain the idea, bringing her into our office for further discussion. She would back out of the picture, especially if now age in the area. He would immediately shut the conversation down. They relayed through the grandmothers, I need to speak with Jadman when now age is not around. I called her.

I said it on the way you at. And all of a sudden, she got on the phone like, oh my god, you again. And you call me all kind of ugly names and raised, you think you're gonna come and get jazz, go dream, go get jazz,

go on New York to high seats. Jasmine's grandmother was fearing that Jasmine might be victim of domestic violence. Knowing that knowledge and Jasmine are eager for the case to be closed, Detective Hillcourt uses Julie's insurance money as bait. When they did contact me, trying to get me closed case, I refused to do so and try to follow up interview. So she finally relents and we schedule an appointment

for knowledge, cows, and Jesmin to come in for an interview. On June 20, 2017, Jasmine Knowledge and Knowledge's grandmother Patricia arrive at the station. Detective Hill Courage had made arrangements for them both to come in and get a CVSA, which is a certified voice stress analysis. As far as trial and admissibility for these stress tests, they aren't admissible as a scientific

technique, but it is an investigative tool for the Sheriff's Department to confront people. Right off the bat, I'm trying to get knowledge into the interview room with me and he did not want to do that. He was very irate to us right off the get-go. Refused to take the CVSA. He immediately become highly-adjitated and aggressive, screaming at he and talking to nobody, and Jasmine not talking to nobody.

So I ended up walking him out of our office. However, Jasmine agrees to take the test. This is an insure that's 100% accurate. I'm going to tell you whether you're riding or not at the end of this. Did you cause the death of your mother now? Do you know who was responsible for your mother's death? After measuring the level of stress in Jasmine's voice after each question, the detective calculates the results.

Jasmine Harley showed the seat on her TVSA. She's not being 100% truthful, OK? She knew who killed her mother, and she clearly wasn't giving us any of that information. The investigator presses Jasmine further. At first, she was very polite and cooperative, and then, obviously, once we confront her with this deception which she became very upset.

You know who caused the death of your mother. Well, I believe you do. How was it in the middle? At that time, she still denied having any knowledge, and she just denying everything, and then she said that she was done for the day. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I'm just going to do a lot of that with you to catch me in a lot of life. Okay. Okay. All right. Now we're really suspicious of these two. I think we're on the right track. While detectives plan their next step,

knowledge's grandmother Patricia slips into the station. They're right. Happened to be a grandmother who, when they leave, step, knowledge's grandmother Patricia slips into the station. There are a right, happened to be a grandmother, who when they leave, she comes in with her phone. Patricia made it very clear that she was in a rush. She couldn't stay long because she didn't want knowledge to get suspicious of what she was doing, because she was scared of his violent tendencies. Patricia hands over her cell phone and has just enough time to tell police

that there is a recording on her phone that holds the key to solving Julie Martin's murder. She told them that she had talked to knowledge about this death and she felt he was involved in it. And that was our, uh-huh, I'm only like, we definitely have this here. We definitely know at this point in time, you know, what angles they're working with investigation.

Coming up, will a heart-rending confession finally crack the case? I said we're calling the first time now, so I was like, you know, you know? Or is there more to this case than anyone could have imagined? The real break in the case came when we got a copy of that, audio. Listen, in his version, you hear a much different story. On June 20, 2017, investigators with the Wayne County Sheriff's Office receive an audio recording from knowledge cow'sors grandmother Patricia that might finally solve the murder

of 52-year-old Julie Martin. Grandma brings in the recording. We get consent to download that recording, and it's a conversation between knowledge, Jasmine, and his grandmother. It was something Patricia overheard prior to Julie's murder that prompted her to take action. Earlier, the grandmother heard knowledge

and Jasmine talking in her basement of what they were planning on doing. Maybe she didn't think they were serious. After hearing news of Jasmine's mother's murder, Patricia realized just how serious the situation had become. She decided to initiate a conversation with knowledge and Jasmine and secretly record it. In the recording, detectives can hear the young couple arguing about Julie's $350,000 insurance

policy and Patricia is acting as a mediator. She keeps reiterating to them that knowledge and jasmine need to get along, they need to stick together, or everyone's going to go down for the murder. And so she's kind of eliciting by phrasing it that way, and eliciting more information about the money and what they're going to do with it. It became quite apparent through that conversation

that they had something to do with the death of Julie Martin. There was actually talk about the money that was coming from the insurance claim and how that was going to be split. Basically, knowledge wanting Jasmine to just take the fall for everybody so he can collect the money. It's clear to detectives that knowledge is trying to manipulate the situation, but is Jasmine a willing participant in this crime. The recording also provides another clue.

Knowledge, Couser's grandmother, flushes out the fact that it was two brothers who had helped out with committing the murder. Detectives now must figure out who are these brothers and how are they connected to knowledge and Jasmine. It's very important. We have a moment to speak to Jasmine alone. Without now, it's just presence. We could tell his presence definitely

changed how she was towards us. Getting Jasmine alone is no easy task. But on June 22nd, 2017, investigators finally get the break they have been waiting for. When Jasmine's grandmother Ruby Crawford calls detectives. Knowledge Couser and Jasmine got into a domestic incident. Grandma went and picked her up from the city of Rochester. That's a jazz that was going on.

She said, Nallis told me, when she go to sleep, you won't wake back up. I'm gonna cut your throat. Grandma then called us and said, hey, she says she's ready to talk. At the station, Jasmine says that everything started shortly before the murder, when her mother sat her down and explained her life insurance

policies. Julie had laid everything out and told her that she was her sole beneficiary. Someday, this was all going to be hers. Knowledge learned that she had become the beneficiary for this money, and that he wanted the money. Jasmine says that knowledge called up his half-brother, 18-year-old Devonte Devine, and his friend, 19-year-old Mel Kwam Draitan, and met them in his grandmother's basement to make a plan.

There was an original offer of $2,500, which they declined. And then there became a second offer of $15,000 a piece, which they accepted. What was the agreement about Beth? It was strangling her. Her version is that knowledge devised this plan and that she was just an unwitting accomplice to this. They were sitting on the door, how it was going to happen.

Honestly, I should have asked her a crime. I'm right there. But she was stopped at anything in there. But, Jasmine says she was too terrified of knowledge to do anything but go along. She was saying that the boys told her if she didn't cooperate, that she would be next. I never wanted to bed it.

Ever since I got a knowledge, he's been programmed in that in my head. Jasmine says that on February 1, 2017, knowledge picked up Malquam and Davante and drove them to Julie's house. Jasmine and Knowledge then left in order to create their alibi to go to the city to sell a cell phone.

Devonte and Malquam were to hide in the closet and wait for Julie Martin to get home from work. And then they were to commit the murder at that point. Once the commission of the crime was done, they were supposed to be calling Nowledge. They could pick us up at this church. And then Nowledge and Jasmine were to return home just like they did be calling knowledge. You can pick us up at this church. And then knowledge and jasmine would return home, just like they did, and calling 911.

Jasmine says that since the murder, knowledge has kept her completely under his control. He ripped up my registration and my drawings, like, I couldn't drive anywhere. He slashed my tires, I couldn't drive anywhere. He made it plainly clear to her that if she still... I couldn't drive anywhere. He slashed my tires, I couldn't drive anywhere. He made it plainly clear to her that if she tell anybody about what they did,

that they would not fear her, too. Just as Jasmine is finishing up her interview, someone else comes in and wants to tell his side of the story. Now it's Couser to decide he was going to come in because I think he realized now that, you know, the gig was up. It was knowledge. Jasmine had tried to make us believe that he was, he was really pushing this. But listening to his version, you hear a much different story.

He said Jasmine hadn't been trying to come up with some sort of plan that her mother killed possibly as far back as two years prior. His version was that Jasmine hated her mother, that they would fight constantly that during the course of these fights she would call her all types of names, would wish that she was dead. She decided the one thing. She knew she could do to get away from her mother

was get money and be able to support herself in the easiest way. She saw that happening was through getting the life insurance policy. When the idea of getting rid of Julie Martin came up, knowledge said he knew a couple of people they could do that. Knowledge says that he arranged a meeting

between Jasmine, Davonte, and Malquam. He claims it was on February 1, 2017, that Jasmine finally made the decision to have her mother murdered. Jasmine became angry or was angry with her mom. They had gotten into some sort of an argument. Jasmine now, she's not working anywhere. They basically were just munching off of Julie

and she had been sick and tired of it. We were told that she was about to kick them out because she wasn't going to let them free load any further. What was that final fight that she wasn't going to let extend anymore? And she called knowledge and said today's the day. Basically, he was just carrying out what her wishes were,

just moving forward with what Jasmine really wanted. So who is telling the truth? Jasmine or knowledge? Investigators know that they need to talk to two more people, the alleged killers themselves, Devonte and Malcolm. We immediately put the ball in motion. You're gonna arrest everybody that day. Coming up, an insider offers the grisly details of the crime.

She's never had like this. Will Julie's family get justice? The closure may come, so I'm aware of online that I don't see no closure in it. on June 22nd, 2017. Investigators from the Wayne County Sheriff's Office pull up at a McDonald's where murder suspects 18-year-old Devonte divine and 19-year-old Malquam Dreyton work. We get to McDonald's and the only one working is Malquam.

We get him in the car. Malquam right from the get-go was very cooperative and told us his involvement and the only one working is Malkwam. We get him in the car. Malkwam, right from the get-go, was very cooperative and told us his involvement in it. According to Malkwam, Jasmine and knowledge both willingly participated in the murder conspiracy. He says they hid him and Devonte in a bedroom closet on February 1, 2017, Malkwan describes what happened after Julie Martin

returned home. Julie Martin makes herself something to eat, goes into her room, sitting in her chair, which places her back to the doorway of her bedroom. She's watching TV when Malkwan and Devante go into the room. What does she say? She said, oh, my husband's coming home soon.

OK. I can't imagine the fear, Julie, if, once she realized what was going on, knowing she feared Jasmine and knowledge, we're going to do something to her. And then finding herself in that moment had a broker heart. Malquam says that Devonte tackled Julie to the ground. She fell ahead to TV stand,

look, dust, and it fell over, and she went before. I mean, he had to have to pull, and like that. From helping over her face. Malquam's right, not only did he talk to us, but he acted out some of the occurrences in the floor in the inner-view room, in which we were a little frightening at some points.

What's your hands up? It's a plan, huh? He did. Finally, Malkwam says that Julie stopped struggling. She was that. I did, yeah. We think that maybe he may be diminished his role a little bit, but again, based on all the statements combined,

we felt that his or more credible is to actually what happened. On the rest of our health, you guys, from early in the first degree, aspiring to have this plan to do this together. Hours later, Davante turns himself into investigators. Davante doesn't want to cooperate with police, so he quickly joins Jasmine's knowledge and malquam in the county jail.

All four face the possibility of life in prison without parole. I found out, you see, they're the radio or the newspaper about the arrests. I never would have suspected Jasmine to have a hand in her mother's murder. It just don't make sense. Why should you do something like that, you know? Her and Julie, you know, got along most of the time, you know?

Prosecutors set Jasmine's trial for July 2018, The first of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the

second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the

second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second of the second, Jasmine confesses her role in the murder of her mother in exchange for 20 years to life. During any plea, there's a requirement that there's a factual colloquy,

so a basis for the judge to know that he is accepting a true and honest plea of guilt from an individual. Jasmine had much, much more to do with the planning of it than initially. I would personally place her as a mastermind of the whole thing. Without Jasmine wanting the money and wanting her mother-gone knowledge wouldn't have just randomly selected truly or. Her ultimate goal was to get to the insurance money.

goal was to get to the insurance money. Weeks later, knowledge, Malquam and Devante all accept plea deals as well. Jasmine Harley, Nauge Couser, Devante Divine, all received 20 to life, no opportunity of appeals. And Malquam, Drayton, for his cooperation, I believe he pled put guilty to robbery. You know, he just more of a active participant versus any part of the brains. We just couldn't go through reports, you know. It would have been too much.

I don't know that I'm ever happy with any sentencing because we are never able to make victims whole or their family's whole. While Jasmine and two of her co-conspirators contemplate a lifetime behind bars, Julie's family and friends will spend the rest of their lives wondering what drove a daughter to do the unthinkable. The boys that they're sentencing,

all of them, broke down and apologized to the family and showed remorse. But Jasmine never said not one tear. I just can't wrap my head around how someone gives you life and then you turn around and betray that person that gave you life for money and greed. Now when it's both a come up for all, then hopefully our relatives and them will sit there

and say, no, don't let them go. I didn't think she got enough. Sorry, I don't. The closure may come somewhere along the line, but I don't see no closure in it. I'm just glad that the police were able to figure out what happened and hopefully Julie's at peace in some way, knowing they didn't get away with that.

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