Snapped: Women Who Murder - Joy Aylor

Episode Date: July 4, 2021

After the brutal attack of a single mother in her own home, authorities work for two decades to uncover an unlikely criminal who uses the power of lust as a deadly weapon.Season 26, Episode 2...4Originally aired: February 16, 2020Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WsLCJWqmIebSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of One Reast Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Money, power, privilege. One Texas couple had it all. She was the top of woman that she walked into the door every man and the love was gonna look at her.
Starting point is 00:00:32 Their marriage was very important. Family was very important. They worked together, building $400 to $500,000 custom homes. Their business just took off. But when one of their clients falls victim to a horrific crime, the details that emerge will stun Dallas High Society. It had all the characteristics of a sexual crime. She's new, she's tired too bad, she's strangled, and she's shy.
Starting point is 00:01:05 We could possibly be looking at a love triangle. The ensuing investigation will span over 10 years for countries and two continents. Candidate, to Mexico, and then to Europe, it ends up in France. As the pieces fall into place, they will reveal a plot so twisted, it may prove that lust is the deadliest of the seven sins.
Starting point is 00:01:32 To the very sexual, and I believe she used her wiles to capture these guys' hearts, they've missed everything, and some of them went back for more. MUSIC October 4, 1983. It's a little past 6 p.m. in the affluent North Dallas suburb of Richardson, Texas, when police and paramedics receive a call about a possible emergency at the home of 33-year-old Rosanne Galunas. When the police officers first got there, the door was actually a little bit of a jar.
Starting point is 00:02:20 And so it was easy for them to hear the how. As officers enter the home, they find Roseanne's young son, frightened but unharmed. It just looks distraught. He's foreign-happier, though. He's confused. He's scared. The boy motions towards his mother's bedroom. emotions towards his mother's bedroom. MUSIC MUSIC
Starting point is 00:02:48 She was found, nude, faced down on her bed. Her arms and legs tied to the different posts of the bed. She had been strangled with a thigh-high panty hose, and a belt, and chopped in the back of her head through the pillow. When paramedics arrive at the scene, they find a small glimmer of hope. Rosanne has a pulse. For her to recover that would be something sort of a miracle,
Starting point is 00:03:18 maybe we had hope. Rosanne Galunis was 28 years old when she and her husband, Dr. Peter Galunas Jr., decided to move to Texas after a lifetime of living on the east coast. Rosanne grew up in framing him. He was just a nice old Nomenclin town. She was very studious. She, um, bit him a nurse and was a really good nurse. Peter was a physician in the ICU. He was a very charismatic and I think she just fell for him.
Starting point is 00:04:00 For Peter, the move to Dallas in 1978 was the opportunity of a lifetime. The UT Southwestern Medical School was expanding, and I think he saw it as a huge opportunity for himself. The couples settled in the upscale North Dallas neighborhood of Richardson, where a year later, they welcomed a new addition to their family. Little Peter was born in 1979, which was a big surprise to Dr. Galunis because he had been told he was sterile. Following the birth of their son,
Starting point is 00:04:40 Rosanne quit working to be a stay-at-home mom. She loved being a mother, but I think that she felt alone. She wasn't happy about being away from all of us, her family, all our rest of her friends. On top of missing her family, Rosanne also missed Peter. He's working all the time, so he loses himself and in his job, she hardly sees him. I think the more money he made, the more involved he was, the more involved he was, the more time he was away from home.
Starting point is 00:05:10 She was just lonely. Hoping to lift Rosanne's spirits, Peter decided the couple should build their dream home. I think he thought maybe it would make her happy, and it would give her something to do besides being a mom. To make their dreams a reality, Peter hired Larry and Joy Ailer to design their home. Their business was called Larry Ailer Home Construction. Larry was the one running it, and joy his wife worked with him, though, and she did the interiors.
Starting point is 00:05:51 The ailer's and the galunesses were two couples enjoying the peak of success, and naturally, they hit it off. Dr. Galunis and Larry had become friends in this process. By early 1983, construction on the Galoonis' new home was underway, but their marriage continued to struggle. Her marriage sort of went downhill. Peter was working a lot. It was almost like they had two separate lives.
Starting point is 00:06:24 In June, Rosanne moved into a rental home they had two separate lives. In June, Rosanne moved into a rental home on Logan Wood Avenue. That summer, she and Peter filed for divorce, vowing to keep their son's best interests their top priority. They were going to work it out and settle it among the lawyers and come up with a parenting plan
Starting point is 00:06:44 that they could both have. Then, just five months later, came the tragic events of October 4, 1983. I was advised that we had a possible shooting and I needed to respond. When detectives arrive at the scene, they find Rosanne Galunis being rushed from the front door by paramedics. She had been shot twice in the head with a 25-automatic bomb. While paramedics work to save Rosanne's life,
Starting point is 00:07:20 detectives begin processing the scene. First thing we think of is this a robbery. It's a burglary gone bad. Usually, if it's going to be something like that, we're going to find a window that's open or broken, or a gymnasium lock, or a door. None of the house was basically secured. While the rest of the home is largely in order,
Starting point is 00:07:41 the scene inside Rosanne's bedroom leaves no doubt that something terrible had taken place there. Yeah, four strands of rope. Uh, yeah, a rope thrown over the end of the bed. There was two pillows there. One of them clearly had blood on it. You could see where somebody had fired
Starting point is 00:08:00 rounds through the pillow. With nothing apparently missing from the home, detectives consider a more sinister motive than robbery. It had all the characteristics of a sexual crime. She's new, she's tied to a bed, she's strangled, and she's shot, and then she's muffled through sound. Outside Rosanne's home, a crowd begins to gather. Among them is her estranged husband, Peter, who now has the couple's four-year-old son in his care.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Dr. Galenis was there, and little Peter was here with him. He tells us, you know, that's Roseanne, that's my wife. We're separated. Investigators are eager to interview Peter, but not at the chaotic crime scene. I asked Dr. Galenis to come to the station for the interview. He said, well, I want my attorney present. There's a red flag going on right there.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Detectives agree to meet Peter and his attorney at the police station. red flag going on right there. Detectives agree to meet Peter and his attorney at the police station. Before they leave, they get word that someone else is requesting to speak with them. I was advised that the victim's boyfriend had just shown up. The officer says the boyfriend identified himself as 35-year-old Dallas Home Builder Larry
Starting point is 00:09:28 A. Ler. Here we've got the husband and we've got the boyfriend and either one of them could be involved. Coming up, a twisted love triangle is exposed. They're in the middle of this project, and all the sudden, they're madly in love. And they both decide to file for divorce. He still has his anger. He is giving me more red flags than he's removing every time I talk to him. And detectives find themselves at odds. I was 100% convinced that Larry was a suspect.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Detective Corley was 100% convinced that Dr. Gluinness was a suspect. On October 4, 1983, 33-year-old Roseanne Galunis is barely clinging to life after being shot twice in the head. By the way, Roseanne is going to the hospital. We want a police officer right there with her in case she does regain consciousness. Outside Roseanne's home, detectives have found themselves between two potential suspects.
Starting point is 00:10:52 Rosanne's estranged husband, Peter Galunis, and her alleged boyfriend, Larry A. Leroy. The victim's boyfriend had just shown up. So now I was aware there was a husband and a boyfriend. We went from no suspects in the first few minutes of the investigation to all of a sudden having two suspects. You don't know anything, so that's
Starting point is 00:11:16 why you want to take a boyfriend and a husband, separate him and get separate statements from him. Detective set setup simultaneous interviews with Larry and Peter. Now my job is to interview Dr. Bluenessy, what his involvement is of any in this case. Accompanied by his attorney, Peter tells detectives he'd been waiting to hear from Roseanne all afternoon. Dr. Bluenas was expecting Peter to be brought over by Roseanne. He had tried to call Roseanne, had not been successful.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Peter says it was around 6 p.m. when he finally received a call. He got a phone call from Roseanne's number. He picked it up and was Peter, the boy. He's upset and he says, Mommy's sick and she can't wake up. So Dr. Golanus tells his mother, call 911, send an ambulance and police to Roseanne's house. Peter says he then rushed to Roseanne's house, but by the time he arrived, police were already on the scene. His behavior is concerning me. He still has not asked about Rosanne. I don't know, we all handle trauma and grief in different ways,
Starting point is 00:12:37 but he is lack of concern for Rosanne. It disturbs me quite a bit. that he is lack of concern for Rosanne. It disturbs me quite a bit. Next, investigators ask Peter to walk them through his day. Basically, what his statement was that he had been in work all day, got off at five o'clock, and went home, and at six o'clock, he was waiting for a little Peter. There is one gap, however, in Peter's alibi.
Starting point is 00:13:08 From about 4 o'clock to 4.45, he took a nap, sitting in his nest. It was obvious. So a red flag who was off in my head about that. Was Peter really taking a nap as he claimed? Or did he leave his office to pay a visit to Rosanne? He does cooperate, but it's just one of those things is a detective. A lot of his red flags, some of it is got,
Starting point is 00:13:37 but I just had a bad thing about Dr. Goulett. Suspissions continue to rise when Peter tells detectives how he had tried to confide in his friend Larry Ailer about his wife's affair. Dr. Galunis has puzzled, he's worried about his wife. And he says, you know, do you think that she might be having an affair? And Larry says in no way, she's not that kind of a person. But, you know, Dr. Galoon is just something that's bugging him about the way she's behaving. He had hired a private investigator.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And the investigator comes back and says, you know, your wife is having an affair with Larry A. Lerv. And, of course, Dr. Galutus is furious. He confronts Larry, who denies it. All the time that I'm talking to him, he still has his anger. He is giving me more red flags than he's removing. Did Rosanne's affair with Larry spark a violent rage? He did not like Larry one bit, and he made that very clear to me.
Starting point is 00:14:53 In a neighboring room, Detective Mackenzie is learning more about Rosanne's new lover, Larry Ailer. In the early 80s, Larry and his wife, Joy Ailer, were well-known for catering to Dallas' flashy upper society. Larry and Joy were building $400 to $500,000 custom homes in North Dallas. They're very high-end homes. And if anyone appreciated the finer things in life, it was Joy Ailer.
Starting point is 00:15:30 Joy was the middle child of Francis and Henry Davis, who had made quite a considerable fortune in real estate development. Joy was attractive. I mean, she was the top of a woman that the, if she walked in and door every man in the lobby was gonna look at her. In high school, Joy had her pick when it came to men,
Starting point is 00:15:53 but it was Larry Ailer who won her heart. They fell in love at Hill Press High School at a football game when she was 17 and he was 18. Following high school, Joy and Larry married. And with a little money from Joy's father started their custom home building company. Larry took care of the construction, the outside, you know, the construction of the house.
Starting point is 00:16:19 And Joy was the one who focused on the interiors. In 1970, the couple welcomed a son, Chris. They began to make money and to have success. They were happy. When Peter and Rosanne Galunas walked into the Ailer's office in 1983, the couples instantly bonded. They just started having a friendship. But Larry admits to detectives he and Rosanne
Starting point is 00:16:51 had a different connection. At some point he and Rosanne are having lunch together to talk about the house project. And she tells him, you know, I'm really unhappy. And Larry begins to say, well, you know, I'm really unhappy in my marriage too. She called and she said, you're not gonna believe it, but I've met someone.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Now she's telling me about Larry, who she seemed crazy about. They're in the middle of this project, and all of a sudden, they're in the middle of this project and all the sudden they're madly in love. And they both decide to file for divorce. Larry goes into detail about his relationship with Rosanne and how they were getting serious and they even had plans to get married.
Starting point is 00:17:45 But when it comes to an alibi, Larry starts throwing out red flags of his own. He tells detectives that he hoped to see Rosanne that afternoon. But when his calls to her went unanswered, he made other plans. Larry decided to go bike riding instead by himself. So suddenly, I have somebody basically telling me he doesn't have an alibi because now he's bike riding by himself.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Also concerning to detectives is how determined Larry seems to pin the attack on someone else. He said he finally did. And when I asked him who he was, Dr. Glunis finally did it. Following the interviews, detectives convene in the hall where they find they have an unusual problem. I was 100% convinced that Larry was the man, the suspect. Detective Corley was 100% convinced that Dr. Gleenas was a suspect.
Starting point is 00:18:47 With both men seemingly heavy on motives and light on alibis, detectives must dig deeper. We did believe we could possibly be looking at a love triangle. We wanted to look at the wife also. On October 5th, 1983, one day after Rosanne was brutally attacked inside her home, Joy meets with detectives at her attorney's office. She, you know, would freely say that Larry had told her about Rosanne, but she didn't say what she thought or who could have done it or anything.
Starting point is 00:19:25 She was very collected, didn't hesitate at all to answer anything. I asked very polite, almost professional in our answers. I had a pretty favorable impression of her when I left that office. The next day, investigators receive tragic news about Rosanne Goulness. She passed away. I was devastated. I mean, it's... That doesn't happen to someone, you know.
Starting point is 00:19:54 And I'm sure plenty of people who have lost people, this way, will say the same thing. Rosanne's death leaves detectives with a homicide on their hands, and they're more determined than ever to catch her killer. They asked them to take lie detector tests. In both Dr. Galutis and Larry Ailer passed lie detector tests.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Joy also passed. And soon after Roseanne's funeral, Larry and Joy got back together. He moved back in with her. They were never able to develop any direct leads or evidence to connect any of the three to the incident. There was a $25,000 reward for the indictment in Roseanne's case. After several months of falling leads, basically leads became cold and they had nothing else to do but to pin the case until new evidence was established. Months turn into years with no new developments.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Those close to Rosanne stay in contact with police, especially Larry Ailer. He stayed on top of, on the know, how he case was progressing. Then, in June of 1986, two and a half years since Rosanne's murder, detectives get a call from Larry once again. But this time, he seems scared.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I received a call from Larry saying that somebody had just shot at him. Coming up, a strange series of events puzzles detectives. Chris, Taylor, totus dad, Larry, that, you know what, dad, we got a fish head in our mailbox. And this long cold case begins to heat up. This lady called me and says, she knows who
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Starting point is 00:23:14 Two years have passed since the murder of Roseanne Galunis, but after an attempted shooting, her lover, Larry Ailer, is back on detectives radar. Larry told me all the circumstances. Joy had wanted to go down and ride some horses. He and his friend Don had gone down and settled them up. Or, wait, don't Joy, come on, he said, she didn't come, so he decided to leave. And this is when Larry was shot at.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Detectives agree that the incident is strange, but when they look into it, they find no connection to Rosanne's murder. Two more years pass, and in April of 1988, detectives hear from Larry again. Larry said there's really strange stuff happening at the Joyce House. At the time that this is all going on,
Starting point is 00:24:01 Larry is not living with joy. They've gone through a divorce. Chris, either totus dad, Larry, that, you know what, dad? We got a fish head, you know, our mailbox. Initially, that was kind of strange. Then, that same month, Detective McGowan gets a mysterious phone call. It's a person saying that same month, Detective McGowan gets a mysterious phone call. It's a person saying that she knows who
Starting point is 00:24:30 is responsible for Roseanne's death. Amidst all the strange occurrences surrounding this case, detectives have to wonder if this phone call is another blip on the radar. I convinced her to meet me that night, I give midnight, at a restaurant in Dallas. I said in both, in a fairly attractive woman comes in and walks right over and sits down across from me.
Starting point is 00:25:03 She said, well, just call me Mrs. Mutt. I said, OK. What the woman says next comes as a surprise. Do you know who else I am? I said now, and she said, well, I'm Joy A. Her sister, Carol. Carol reveals that two years prior, her sister Joy made a shocking confession. Joy tells Carol, I think Larry killed Rose Angle in this.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And I'm in danger too. I need your help. To hire somebody to kill Larry. Concerned for Joy's life, Carol says she agreed to help. Carol eats this man that she knows that Joy has hired someone called Bill Garland, and she pays, I think, was $3,000. But something unexpected happened when Carol laid eyes on Bill. She met Bill Garland.
Starting point is 00:26:07 She gave him money, and she becomes infatuated with him. They ended up, you know, having almost an immediate romantic attraction and got married shortly thereafter. Carol says in the summer of 1986, Bill hired two men to assassinate her brother-in-law. Though the attempt failed, her husband later confessed to participating in another crime. He says, well, Larry didn't kill Rose Angolunus.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Your sister Joy is the one who wanted to kill Rose Angolunus. Your sister Joy is the one who wanted to kill Rose Angolunus. Bill Garland was the man that joy either hard to kill Rose Angolunus. Carol's allegations are shocking, but the more she talks, the more detective McGowan wonders if she's telling the truth, or if she's just after a payday. It became obvious she was very interested in $25,000 reward. We can't put any stock on what this woman's saying. She's a nut job. And then she stands up to leave.
Starting point is 00:27:20 And you know, we'll say we'll be in touch. And she says, oh, one other thing. At one point, you know, we put a dead fish head in her mailbox. But when she said that, you know, light flashes go off. Nobody knew about the fish head except McGowan, myself, and the T-Detectors. The only way that she could know about the fish head is that she did it, and it was true.
Starting point is 00:27:46 I mean, I have on the back of my neck right now, the hair's standing up just to where it was at night. When I heard it, it was stunning revelation. To find out if Carol's wild tail is true, detectives turned to Carol's husband and alleged hitman Bill Garland. More Sky Garland to talk. And that was kind of the first dominoe to fall.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Bill says in 1983 he was contacted by Carl Naska, a local craftsman who worked with Joy Ailer and harbored a major crush on her. He was kind of in fasciway, whether she was the rich, socialite, and he was the shutter maker. And he knew Bill Garland. Bill's a huge guy, you know, 65, big, burly guy. Unbig talk, you know. So Carl, that's why he went to Bill, because, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:42 he thought Bill might know somebody. I was contacted by a friend of mine named Carl Nostra. He told me that, uh, you know, a friend needed help. I was in a job, but I was not gonna somebody to have a 40-mile. That's the worst you want done. She's going on somebody eliminated. From there, Bill says the chain of accomplices continue to grow. Bill had a guy named Brian Creifel.
Starting point is 00:29:16 And Creifel had a guy named Mandy Hopper. Bill says he eventually received payment for his help with planning to hit on Rosanne, of which he took a cut and passed it down the line. It was $5,000. Bill took the money, and he took, I believe it was $2,000. He passed it along to Creeful, who took 1,500 out, because when the money got to the third-sposed middleman,
Starting point is 00:29:45 George Anderson Hopper, it was only $1,500. Bill tells detectives that he doesn't know if Andy Hopper killed Rosanne or if he continued to pass the buck. We don't know who's on the end. We have no idea because the people that passed the money only knew who was on the end. We have no idea because the people that passed the money only knew who was on either side of them.
Starting point is 00:30:09 That's all they knew. Bill is also candid about his involvement in the attempted shooting of Larry Ailer in 1986. The killer said they had it in the job. The name of the little piece of white paper, the name was Larry Nader. After hearing Bill's account, detectives place him under arrest. But their work is far from over.
Starting point is 00:30:35 We got to get everybody in those chains of the money movement. And we've got to get either compassion or evidence. So it's going to be a long tough road. MUSIC Coming up, detectives learned the power of lust. She has a way, I think, of drawing these men in. You had a very strong attraction to her, sexually. He said that she was insatiable.
Starting point is 00:31:02 She had this ability to make good men do bad things. -♪ -♪ Detectives in Dallas, Texas have just arrested 45-year-old Bill Garland for his role in the murder of Roseanne Galunis. Ultimately, Morris went to Silver Springs and basically through a very good interrogation, Richardson Police got Garland to talk. According to Bill, there's a laundry list of other players in this twisted murder plot. But for now, detectives have their eye on the woman at the top, Joy Ailer.
Starting point is 00:31:53 They arrest her. And she was at the Richardson Police Department all day long. And she would never really say anything. She said, I don't want to be here in jail. I want to go home. Within hours, Joy gets her wish and is released on $150,000 bond. With Joy refusing to talk, detectives set their sights on tracking down the last man known to have taken money
Starting point is 00:32:21 for Roseanne's murder, Andy Hopper. We weren't looking for Andy, couldn't find. Our investigation revealed that, um, actually, his wife didn't even know where he was. After five months of tracing calls and tracking down leads, detectives finally find Andy at his cousin's house in Dallas. One of the challenges with that was Andy was the confession. Andy worked very hard never to tell the truth.
Starting point is 00:32:52 We had to work to get the truth. After multiple grueling interrogations, Andy finally cracks. He tells detectives that on the afternoon of October 4, 1983, he knocked on Rosanne's door ready to carry out the hit on her. Andy Hopper bought flowers and presented himself knocked on the door as a delivery, flower delivery man. He had a gun. He said he pushed her back into her bedroom, and put her on the bed, took her robot,
Starting point is 00:33:33 and tied her to the bed. He attempts to rape her, is unsuccessful, and he decides he's got to. He's got to end it. This is when he uses a pillow and fires two rounds from his pistol into her head. He said, look Peter, never came out of the room, never saw him, and he left.
Starting point is 00:34:03 And he tells detectives that he never knew who orchestrated the hit. The people that passed the money only knew who was on either side of them. That's all they knew. Detectives and prosecutors seek the ultimate punishment for Andy. Andy Harbor was charged with capital murder. It was a murder for hire, which made him liable for the death penalty. Based on the statements of Bill Garland and Andy Hopper,
Starting point is 00:34:30 detectives want the same punishment for the person they believe masterminded the whole plot. Joy Ailer. The death penalty was on the table for her in Texas. The murder for hire, that's a capital offense in Texas. For the next year, prosecutors prepare their case against Joy.
Starting point is 00:34:53 In Joy's corner is a high-profile defense attorney named Mike Wilson. Mike Wilson was a very well-known attorney in Dallas. He had been an assistant district attorney in Dallas County. Then, in May 1990, just a week before Joy's grand jury is set to begin, authorities learn jaw-dropping news. Joy was nowhere to be found. She disappeared and so did my Wilson.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Then, after a month of searching, in June of 1990, detectives get a tip that Joy might be holed up in a Canadian hotel. The FBI had a trace on Attorney's Home where he had received a call. We were able to trace that call to the Delta N in Vancouver. When authorities arrive, they find Mike alone. He tells them that Joy ditched him just a few days prior. So he goes down the pharmacy, comes back about 30 minutes later, and Joy's gone. They had about $340,000 with them, $100 bill on a pillow,
Starting point is 00:36:06 and not even a note she had hooked it. Police want to know why Mike had risked his entire career for Joy. He was actually in love with Joy. He had a very strong attraction to her sexually. He said the joy was insatiable. Mike Wilson is arrested and is flown back to Texas. I think Mike was very much in love with her.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Yes, I do. I think he cared for her quite a bit. I don't think he cared for her quite a bit. I don't think she cared for him. During the past month that Joy and Mike had been on the run, investigators had learned this former interior designer had another man on the hook. Jody Packer is a person that we discovered back in the very
Starting point is 00:37:06 initial part of the 1988 investigation. He was having a relationship with Joy. I always felt like Jody was always in the picture, and she was using Mike to get out of the country. Coming up, an accident brings this Tauderytale soul circle. They go to location, they accident, and a person named was with sharp answers to the door. The woman in many, many talents, but utterly without a conscience. The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The the The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The Joy left like in Vancouver. She fled down through to Mexico.
Starting point is 00:38:06 From Mexico, she went to Europe, and ultimately finds her way into France. Detectives now believe her long-time lover, Jody Packer, is the man helping Joy stay on the run. He had been very involved helping her. Once she escaped, went to Mexico, and he had also disappeared. One of the reasons that I believe that Joy gets all these people to do things is she was a very attractive woman. I believe she used her wiles to capture these guys' hearts.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Even after Jody Packard knew the police wrong to him, he still provided credit cards or passport to help her get out of the country. Joy's flight from justice continues for several months. Then, in March 1991, eight years since the murder of Rosanne Galunis, detectives get an unexpected call from authorities about a car accident in Vance, France. They go to location, they accident, they knock on some doors around there, and some French
Starting point is 00:39:14 citizens said, yeah, the person who was driving it lives down the lane about a mile. So the police go knock on the door, and a person named was with sharp answers to the door. Ultimately, they figured out because her fingerprints were found in the vehicle that the woman who was living as Elizabeth Sharp at this villa was really Joy Ailer. Texas police are eager to get Joy back, but the fact that she faces the death penalty complicates her return. France will not extradite back to the United States if the death penalty is an issue. By 1993, prosecutors in Texas reached a deal with French authorities
Starting point is 00:40:05 to take the death penalty off the table in exchange for Joy's extradition. She had a very good lawyer. He was a very tenacious fellow and fought furiously to see that Joy was not extradited back to the United States. So I fought just as furiously to see that she was. She was ultimately extradited. For five years, as they chased her and tried to find her, you just live in limbo, and for her to be captioned, you know, it's like very surreal.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Jody Packer was finally arrested re-entering the country in the gallon. So he is charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive in a series of other crimes involving passport fraud. In August 1994, 45-year-old Joy Ailer, a woman the French press has dubbed the Devil Woman of Dallas, is led into a Texas courtroom to stand trial for the murder of Rosanne Goulonis.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Normally you have one person kills another, that's all you got to prove. Here you had to prove that the words and actions of Joy Ailer resulted in the 25 automatic round it went through Rosanne's head. Prosecutors believe Joy used Carl Noscow's attraction to her in the 25 automatic round it went through Rosenthal. Prosecutors believe Joy used Carl Noscow's attraction to her to set this murder for higher plot into motion. Then, she roped in the love of Mike Wilson and Jody Packer
Starting point is 00:41:38 to assist her escape from justice. I mean, it was everything for her. And when it got to be Joy in Deschford Times, it was Joy above all else, no matter what. But now, two men, once under Joy Ailer's spell, take the stand to testify on behalf of the prosecution. In the air trial, two of the critical witnesses were Jody Packler, her lover, long-time friend,
Starting point is 00:42:09 Mike Wilson, her lawyer. Packler's test finders gave a skin. She admitted to him that she had failed or put in motion the chain that resulted in a business death. And then, of course, he helped her flee a long way. But if lust drove men to do things for joy, what did joy have at stake? When Larry decided to leave joy,
Starting point is 00:42:34 he apparently closed the business account and about $300,000 came out of the account, which basically left joy with no funds. Her dad had put him in business. They had a good business, came out of the account, which basically left joy with no funds. Her dad had put him in business. They had a good business, or making good money. And Rosanne was a threat to that. So she didn't want to lose that.
Starting point is 00:42:55 The prosecutor described her as a woman in many, many talents, but utterly without a conscience. On August 18th, 1994, Just short of 11 years after Rosanne Galunis' death, Joy is found guilty of capital murder. She is sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole. Joy, Davis, Ailer, should have received the death penalty. Because of her affluence, she was able to flee authorities
Starting point is 00:43:28 to several countries. I want her to stay there until the day she dies. The sad part is, I don't think she cares. I don't think this is an enormous realing. Joy's thought is that two things she'd always used to get her way would save her. Money and sex appeal. She had this ability to make good men do bad things.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Andy Hopper was found guilty of capital murder in March of 1992. He was executed in 2005. Jody Packer was convicted and served time in prison for eating joy-ailer during her time as a fugitive. Mike Wilson was sentenced to 15 years in prison. He appealed his conviction and was released in 1993 after serving four years. Bill Garland pleaded guilty for his role
Starting point is 00:44:22 in arranging Joyce Crines. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison. Carol Garland never served time for her role in this case. She and Bill Garland divorced in 1990. For more information on snapped, go to oxygen.com. you

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