Snapped: Women Who Murder - Marie Strickland

Episode Date: November 7, 2021

An investigation into the murder of a small-town bus driver exposes secrets that lurk behind closed doors.Season 24, Episode 14Originally aired: November 25, 2018Watch full episodes of Snappe...d for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WsLCJWqmIebSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wonder East Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. She was a small town girl who found true love with marriage number two. His very sarcastic and humorous, she was infactuated with him. Everything was perfect.
Starting point is 00:00:32 But this happy union comes to a sudden end. He got about eight feet from the garage in class. A man laying his driveway covered in blood. We didn't know what it happened. In a town where everyone knows everyone, the rumors run rampant. I could have pictured a jealous husband or something, didn't it? He said I wanted him dead.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Is this sweet country couple hiding a laundry list of secrets and lies? Cop cheating on the school bus. I want a divorce. I want you to go. She said, I'm afraid something bad might happen. Does that sound just vicious to you? Yeah. Probably it's time to push you to do that.
Starting point is 00:01:17 He took the gun and tossed it into the telescope. It's just such a horror. October 11, 2013, Teleco Plains, Tennessee. At 12.38 pm, the peace and tranquility of this small southern town is ripped apart with a single 911 call. Marie Strickman had been running errands in town, came home and found her husband lying in the driveway.
Starting point is 00:02:02 She's upset. She's distraught. We didn't know what had happened. We didn't know. She's upset. She's distraught. We didn't know what had happened. We didn't know if he was breathing. We didn't know if he had any signs of life. All we knew was he was in his driveway, believe it. Monroe County Sheriff's Deputy, Clint Brookshire, is dispatched to the scene, a long driveway leads uphill to a home
Starting point is 00:02:27 and a freestanding garage. The residents in the garage were both on the side of the hill. A female subject, Marie Strickland, met me in the driveway. Marie tells him that her mechanic husband, 41-year-old Michael Strickland, had been working in his garage that morning. When I asked where the male subject was, she pointed toward the garage.
Starting point is 00:02:48 I ran up there. At the top of the driveway, Deputy Brookshire finds Michael face down on the ground, just outside the door of his garage. It was almost like he had been running and just fell. There was a lot of blood. There was no movement. There was no signs of life at all. It's like he had been running and just failed. There was a lot of blood, there was no movement, there was no signs of life at all. I asked if she knew what may have happened to him
Starting point is 00:03:13 and she said no. Deputy Brookshire radios for assistance. Within minutes EMTs arrive on the scene and confirm what Brookshire already suspects. He didn't have a pulse, he wasn't breathing. We had declared that he was deceased. As far as Michael's cause of death, that's less obvious. It was blood on him. You could see some blood around his ear and neck.
Starting point is 00:03:44 We couldn't really figure out where it was coming from initially. But looking at his neck, we've seen a little piece of skin that was open that showed there was a wound. My thoughts are, okay, was he working on something, was he working on a vehicle and it fell on him, was he stabbed, was he shot, what caused this injury. Was Michael Strickland truly the victim of a tragic accident? Or was his death the result of something far more menacing?
Starting point is 00:04:33 For Michael and Marie Strickland, the quiet life they led in telico planes seemed picture-perfect. But the road that led to their wedded bliss was a rocky one that dates back to their teen years. Warmen outgoing Marie was one of the most popular girls at telico planes high school. The first time I was in the first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first first g first first first first first g g g g Marie's best friend, Katrina, was always by her side, as was Marie's boyfriend, Ben. She wrote in my memory book in school, it has her and me, and then she drew her heart around it. So I would say she was a little infected, she waited with it. Tipo Huckle Huckle Sweetheart.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Like a lot of small town high school sweethearts, Marie and Ben married shortly after graduation. In 1991, Marie gave birth to a daughter. Motherhood seemed to be a good fit for Marie. Marie's the motherly top. That's what she comes off as. She was comfortable at home, being a homemaker, helping with her daughter.
Starting point is 00:05:39 She even worked at the little school, volunteered there. Marie put forth a attitude of everything with Marie was perfect, and she never dropped that. She always seemed to be sewing control and so in charge of everything. Marie and Ben still made time for friends, especially Katrina and Katrina's husband, Michael Strickland.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Katrina was Marie's best friend, author of High School, and after High School. I was married to Michael, and one of Michael's best friends was Marie's husband, Ben. The two couples were tight, but after 11 years of marriage, the chemistry between Marie and Ben began to fade. Her man had been having problems, you know, getting along. Friends and family figured the two high school sweethearts would find a way to patch things up. So it came as a surprise in 2005, when Marie and Ben announced they were getting a divorce.
Starting point is 00:06:42 By that time, it was a fate Katrina and Michael had also suffered. I was kind of shocked when I heard that her and Ben had divorced. I guess, because I always thought they were just, you know, had been together since high school. They were going to last forever. Marie and Ben's divorce made for juicy gossip
Starting point is 00:07:01 in their small hometown, especially when word got out, that Marie was spending more and more time with her best friend, Katrina's ex-husband, Michael Strickland. I don't know if they were seeing one another before anybody divorced, but being always had his suspicions, that Mike and Marie were seeing one another before the divorce. By 2005, Marie and Michael were openly dating, which affected Marie's lifelong friendship with Katrina.
Starting point is 00:07:33 After I saw them together, that just ended our friendship, you know. It was easy to see why Marie was so smitten with Michael. My dad's a big, strong dude. Like, he was a very big guy. He was very sarcastic. Good sense of humor. He was active, you know, sweet. Michael was equally taken with Marie,
Starting point is 00:07:54 but Michael had a couple of other passions as well. Michael liked to do mechanic work on cars, drag race, scene, hot rods. He would fall off of his work, and that was his own little world, little piece of paradise. In addition to his mechanic work, Michael was also a dedicated parent to the four-year-old son he shared with Katrina. Every Sunday after church, they'd go to hooters and eat.
Starting point is 00:08:22 He would take him up to the shop and, you know, work on cars. The sun rose and sit. And that boy's rare. He loved that child lift. In 2007, Michael and Marie decided to get married. They bought a home with a free-standing garage and lived on 10 acres of property that Michael owned just outside of town.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Their closest neighbor was probably about a quarter mile away. It's a very rural area. Sharing joint custody with their children from their previous marriages, Marie and Michael worked to build new memories as a blended family. We always try to get together at mom and dads every year for every holiday. I remember we had Easter when we painted eggs,
Starting point is 00:09:11 we colored them and now we'd chase them around the house. Then in 2010, Michael embarked on a new business venture. He had met a guy that had his own buses. So Michael started working for him, driving a bus. Then he decided, OK, I'm going to go out on my own. So he bought a couple of buses. He had his own routes and had his own drivers. And there was one that he did drive himself, which
Starting point is 00:09:38 coincidentally was the one that Jacob wrote. It was very weird at first, because you know, you think my dad's driving the bus? I enjoyed it, because I had to see him every day. Things seemed to be going well for Michael and Marie. Until November 2011, when Marie's stepfather suddenly passed away. When her stepdad died, her and her brother, Chris,
Starting point is 00:10:03 became closer. With Marie and her brother leaning on each other for support, she slowly rebounded from the loss of her stepdad. In the meantime, Michael's fleet of buses had grown. He was doing good with it. I'm wanting to say six buses. Between Runny's bus right out the morning, running out of the evening,
Starting point is 00:10:26 he would be in his shop, working on vehicles. So he was constantly working doing something. And with her daughter now 22, Marie took a part-time job. Marie worked part-time at the post office. After weathering a pair of divorces and the death of a loved one, it seemed that life for Marie and Michael was better than ever. They seemed happy.
Starting point is 00:10:52 They seemed alone. Then comes the afternoon of October 11th. Detectives are at the Strickland home following a panicked call from Marie. She found him lying in the driveway. His clothes were saturated in blood. I could tell just by looking at him that there were no signs of life, so I did not attempt to try to revive him in any way. All we knew was there's a male body laying in the driveway. After we had declared that he was deceased,
Starting point is 00:11:27 we found a lot of blood, and in finding blood, you always want to find the source. As investigators survey the scene, they realized that Michael was not initially wounded in the driveway. We found a trail of blood from the shop to the worries body was at. It was clear that the death wound took place in the garage.
Starting point is 00:11:50 It appeared that he might have been working on a vehicle that was up on an eye lift when the incident occurred. And the blood trail actually started just behind that vehicle on the eye lift. We traveled some distance moving at some speed before he collapsed. We had several different theories. You know, he's in a garage. He is working with compressed gas or compressed air things of that nature.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Coming up, as investigators take a closer look at the crime scene, new evidence points to something more calculated. Well, at March, we're failing inside the shop. And as word of Michael's death spreads around town, deeply rooted animosity is nursed. He'd had made statements that was happy that he stayed. After weathering a pair of very public and very scandalous divorces, Marie Strickland and her second husband, Michael, were enjoying a quiet country life
Starting point is 00:13:06 in Teleko Plains, Tennessee. But just after noon on October 11, 2013, Marie called 911 to report that she discovered Michael in a pool of blood outside the door of his garage. He had got about eight feet from the garage, and that's where he collapsed, and he was faced down. Investigators from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, along with responding Monroe County Sheriff's Officer,
Starting point is 00:13:36 Clint Brookshire, determine that Michael likely received a fatal injury in his workshop, but what had caused it? Ozes below, things get stuck. We didn't know exactly what happened, but it appeared whatever it was come from the right side of the garage if you're facing the garage. So then we start trying to find what may have done. As they survey one of the cars in Michael's garage, detectives make a telling discovery. There was the bullet found in the tire
Starting point is 00:14:09 the car that he was working on. Is it possible Michael Strickland had died of a gunshot wound? To one of the EMTs prepping Michael's body for transport, that theory seems plausible. For insically, we can't say that this is 100% a gunshot wound, and this is the cause of death. But from what we've seen, it appeared to be a gunshot wound. Operating from this theory, detectives are able to determine
Starting point is 00:14:37 the possible location of the shooter at the time the gun was fired. The shooter had been sitting in a chair next to the car that he was working on. And we knew that because of the trajectory of the bullet. He was shot in the neck on the right side. We know that most murders within the family are committed by the family. The first suspect you're going gonna have in any murder case, assuming it's not drug or gang related,
Starting point is 00:15:08 the first suspect you're gonna have is the spouse. That evening, investigators sit down with Marie at the Monroe County Sheriff's Office for a formal interview. They start by asking Marie to pace them through the events, leading up to her discovering Michael's body in the driveway. We got a problem after seven and we went to Car Park, Turned Hospital. Probably left around eight somewhere in there. He came home maybe around sometime between 10 to 30, the 8 changed.
Starting point is 00:15:47 I didn't even have to shop to work. I was at there with him until about close to a live party. According to Marie, shortly after 1130, she left to give her daughter a ride to work. So I lived probably around between 12 and I used to do it. To her save a lot. We put a lot of it here. I came home.
Starting point is 00:16:12 She had a return home. Went back in the house. She knew that Mock was up in the garage working. Once she was back at the house, Marie started a load of laundry. Around 1230, her cell phone rang. It was one of Michael's friends wanting to talk to him about doing some repair work. I was on my way up there.
Starting point is 00:16:33 What do you want? I'm running, traveling. I didn't know. I'm running up to you. I was on my way.'m gonna have to do it. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna bring back the house. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Marie tells them she never heard or saw anything suspicious. But she can't say for sure whether or not Michael had any visitors to his shop that day. So we have people that will come by and ask him to drive their car and say, tell me what you think is wrong with it. We have a lot of people we don't know, you know, come by. Anything different recently happens. Family life, business life, anything. Marie insists that Michael didn't have any enemies
Starting point is 00:17:29 and can think of nothing out of the ordinary that's happened lately. I'm amazed. This is so cool. Nothing stressful, but there's like some little hole. I pretty like back-bought stuff like that. He's not really a worry. Detectives ask Marie if their marriage is a happy one. Marie's only complaint is that when it came to expressing
Starting point is 00:17:53 his love for her, Michael sometimes missed the mark. I think I'm understanding what you're saying. Because the power steering fell upon for you. Or something else, but I'm gonna nail spite of it. Thought your rose is effective. Okay, yeah. But according to Marie, what Michael lacked in the way of grand romantic gestures,
Starting point is 00:18:14 he more than made up for in the bedroom. How was your house like as far as the husband and wife as far as the intimacy? It was very good. Okay, hard quick. You having kind of do with my close data? No. You have any idea who did? No.
Starting point is 00:18:35 You have any idea who or won't do it? I don't know. Two detectives Marie seems to be telling the truth. Thought it was not the nail. Live insurance. No, we didn't have anything like that. No costs. Though it appears Marie had no reason, financial or otherwise, to shoot Michael, it's clear she
Starting point is 00:19:01 partly blames herself for his death. Can I ask an awkward question? Yes. Do you think you buy that CPR that I can help you? Honestly, I don't like it when I'm like, any difference in the world. It's the big truth for me. Now, that would have helped a lot.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Not in this case. So, that may not blame yourself for not doing that. Detectives release Marie and must now face the difficult task of informing the rest of his family about his death. They start with his ex-wife, Katrina. I was just like, breathe. Because I mean, how do you tell your kid that their dad's gone?
Starting point is 00:19:47 I set day come down on the couch and I told him. Whenever mom first told me I was in shock, I didn't really believe it at first. You don't think that this could happen to me? Jacob Blessy's heart did not tell you well at home. He was obviously heartbroken. He, even to us, may mom and dad, he would not hardly speak. In a town the size of telico planes,
Starting point is 00:20:15 it doesn't take long for word of Michael's death to make the rounds. And as the small town rumor mill cranks up, investigators get wind that at least one person in town doesn't seem so heartbroken. His wife's ex-husband and Michael's former best friend, Ben. Ben had made statements that he was happy that he was dead. Though it's just hearsay, this rumor raises an immediate red flag with investigators.
Starting point is 00:20:45 It's obviously that lead, please, to wonder whether he was involved in this. Coming up, was Marie's ex holding a grudge against his former best friend? Ben became a personal interest. And as the rumors continue to fly, a shocking revelation is made. He was caught cheating on the school bus. I could have pictured a jealous husband or something doing it. This is Kate Winkler Dawson inviting you to the brand new season of my True Crime Talk Show. That's right.
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Starting point is 00:22:53 Before investigators are able to talk to Ben, they learned that the medical examiner has finished Michael's autopsy. As expected, the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the right side of his neck. The autopsy indicated that it was an intermediate range firing that it pierced the right side, exited to the left, about 9.6 inches from the top of the head
Starting point is 00:23:18 that it pierced his jugular vein in his larynx, and that was the cause of death. With Michael's cause of death confirmed, detectives locate Ben at his apartment in nearby Lennore city. Standing face-to-face with law enforcement, Ben doesn't mince words about his feelings for Michael. Ben was not brokenhearted that Michael's gone. I was happy that he was dead.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I believe there are not so many can say that, but he did. Through time, Ben's anger over Marie and Michael's relationship faded. However, in recent years, he'd found another reason to detest Michael. I had heard Ben say, Mike was mean to Marie's daughter and would call her names. And I think Ben was upset that Mike treated their daughter like that. He said, I wanted him dead,
Starting point is 00:24:13 but God got to him first. Ben insists that a few harsh words are the extent of his involvement in Michael's murder. His story made sense to law enforcement. His demeanor was a truthful demeanor, and good law enforcement officers can look at someone's demeanor. See how they answer questions, see if they're forthcoming,
Starting point is 00:24:35 and he answered questions appropriately. He was forthcoming. Ben did have an alibi. He was eliminated pretty early on. With Ben no longer on the list of potential perpetrators, detectives turned to Michael's sister Amy and his ex-wife, Katrina. We were asked if we knew of anybody that would have wanted to see harm come of Michael. To our knowledge, we did not know anybody that would want him killed.
Starting point is 00:25:04 At the time, I'm thinking one red-headed raising two to me. of Michael, to our knowledge we did not. No anybody that would want him killed. At the time I'm thinking one red-haired raisin-toe to me, he was a great dad. He was kind to everybody that he met. Really smooth with him, like, smooth with people. He's very kind. However, Katrina says there was one person Michael hadn't been getting along with lately.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Her former best friend, Michael's wife Marie. It wasn't a happy home because they argued. They argued a lot and I knew they argued. As for the source of the arguments, Katrina tells detectives that Michael was apparently up to his old, flandering ways. He had been cheating on her. She had followed him sweet water one day, and actually caught him. Marie caught Mike cheating on the school bus.
Starting point is 00:25:55 In a way, I was like, well, you reap what you sow, you know, because you were aware of how he was when he was with me. So did you think he would change because he got with you? But according to Michael's family, he wasn't the only one in the marriage that was being unfaithful. Michael was not a saint.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Michael did have one on the side and come to find out she did too. He wasn't faithful. Well, she wasn't either. She was dating one of the postal drivers. He run one of the tractor trailers for the post office. According to Michael's sister, the infidelity had gotten so bad that the marriage
Starting point is 00:26:41 was on the brink of collapse. He had called me and told me that he wanted to get the force and asked if I knew a lawyer. And we didn't live in the same counties anymore, but I found one that at our time Aunt had used several times and made him an appointment and made him edit the lawyer's office. Amy says that Michael had divorce papers drawn up, but when he presented them to Marie,
Starting point is 00:27:11 she refused to sign them. The day that we went to the lawyer's office and had the paperwork done, of course we had to wait for the paperwork to get topped up in order for it to be filed, but he told me that when he did get the paperwork, he was going to take it home and basically lay it on her pillow and say, hey, here you go. I want a divorce. I want you to go. And from what I understood, it did not go over well. She did not want to leave. Basically, she refused.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Instead, Marie demanded that Michael move out, but Michael told her he wasn't going anywhere. It was his property. He had had all of that before they got married, so he was not going to give up what was rightfully his before the marriage, and I can't say that I blame him, I wouldn't either. As far as Amy knew, Mike and Marie were still at an impasse. That is, until Michael was murdered. For detectives, the allegations of infidelity and impending divorce open up a whole new pool of potential killers.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I could have pictured a jealous husband or something, didn't it? Hoping to put some names to the rumors, detectives obtain warrants for both Marie and Michael's cell phones. When they take a look at Michael's phone, they find what appears to be proof of infidelity. I knew that he was cheating on Marie. I had another friend on that same website, and she was immediately like, oh my god, yes, he's hit on me, and here's all of our conversations, so it's no like he was even hidden in the community.
Starting point is 00:28:57 After reviewing the Taudrey text messages, detectives begin tracking down the women Michael was communicating with. They also begin analyzing the contents of Marie's phone as well. Number one is they are looking for any person that she may have called that day. Second is they're looking of course for text messages. It's not what investigators find on Marie's phone that raises suspicion. It's what they don't find. Marie's cell records that we obtained through Spain
Starting point is 00:29:27 were different from the records that were still on her phone. And it was obvious to us that she had deleted those tags. Coming up, the questions around Marie's missing text messages continue to swirl. She couldn't remember what that was about or why that text would have been on her phone. Does that not sound just vicious to you? Yeah. And a break in the case reveals a new suspect with a spotty record.
Starting point is 00:30:00 A search warrant issued for text message content brought him into our investigative picture. He was placed on probation and violated his probation, so no one knows where he is. Detectives in Teleco Plains, Tennessee have just uncovered evidence that Marie Strickland deleted text messages on the day of her husband Michael Strickland's murder. Search warrants were issued, and they were able to get text messages. When searching through the deleted messages, detectives uncover a chilling back and forth between Marie and her brother.
Starting point is 00:30:51 There were work text messages that pertained to this investigation between Marie and Chris. In the text that she sent to Chris Smallin, she had said that the gun was cocked, the clip was in, but she wanted to know if this gun was still loaded. Chris texted her back and said that there's a button that you can push that will, I guess, eject the clip.
Starting point is 00:31:14 That's how you can see if the gun is loaded. The content put Marie in possession of a firearm, the day of the murder, based on the text message times. Shortly after midnight, detectives knock on Marie's front door. So law enforcement goes to her at her house, the TBI did, and they confront her with these texts. I confronted her with that information. She told me that she couldn't remember what that was about or why that text would have been on her phone.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Then he texted you back and says, hit the button on the side of the handle and pull the clip out. I don't remember long. You don't remember it? Hit the button on the side of the handle. Pull the clip out. Let's watch your brother take you back. What does that sound like?
Starting point is 00:32:17 Does it not sound like a gun? It does. Why would you be having that conversation? The morning prior to your husband being murdered? Did you see what I'm coming from? Does that not sound suspicious to you? Did you have a gun that day? No. I presented Marie with the text messages that were, obviously, indicating that she had a weapon the day her husband was murdered and repeatedly denied any knowledge of her husband's murder.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Having gotten nowhere with Marie, detectives turned to her 31-year-old brother, Chris Smollen, and confront him with the texts. After I presented the content of the text messages between he and Marie, he was very truthful about the fact that he had provided a gun recently to Marie for self-defense. Chris Smollen admits that Marie had called him two weeks before the murder had indicated that she was somewhat scared
Starting point is 00:33:34 of Michael and that she needed a gun. That's when Chris tells detectives something they don't know. According to Chris, he met up with Marie later that morning at the Teleco Plains Library. She had called him and asked him to meet him at the library. Once there, she gave the gun back to Chris. She gave him the gun and said, I'm afraid something bad might happen, so take this gun.
Starting point is 00:34:02 something bad might happen, so take this gun. Chris tells detectives that the whole thing made him nervous and a little suspicious. He talked about the fact that he didn't want to be caught with that firearm. He didn't want anything to do with it if it had been used to shoot someone. He took the gun and tossed it into the Teleco River. Marie had denied any involvement.
Starting point is 00:34:29 When I went back and met with agent Milton, who had simultaneously interviewed her brother, Mr. Smollin. Mr. Smollin had provided information that he'd provided her with a weapon. I took that information back to Marie. So you just get back into good old-fashioned police work. And good old-fashioned police work is going to the suspect and talk to them, get a statement from them. Preferably a statement that's a confession.
Starting point is 00:34:59 I have to hope for that, you pray for that. They went back to Marie and they said, listen, we've got the statement from Chris. Chris said that he gave you this gun. Chris said that you gave it back to him the day of. Tell us about it. I want to tell you that we went and talked to you about Chris.
Starting point is 00:35:20 And Chris told us about it, giving you a gun. And Chris told us about it, giving you a gun. Once again, Marie proves hard to pin down. Did you have a gun that... No. Is he lying about that? Is that what you're saying? I don't have a gun that's actually strong. I'm just... I just don't know if I can say it or not.
Starting point is 00:35:44 You know, when somebody gives enough details, you come to the conclusion that either they're telling the truth or they should be in the business of writing fiction and Marie would not have been in the business of writing fiction. Coming up, investigators continue to push Marie for answers. That point you had to... ...pistol that wasn't your car. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:36:10 It's such a... ...a moment. It's like parts fast forward or something. But what she says next, throws everything they know about the case into question. She's trying to get away from me. At this point, we have gaps in the story. MUSIC MUSIC It's 3.30 in the morning on December 10, 2013,
Starting point is 00:36:44 and detectives are interviewing a 41-year-old Marie Strickland in regard to the shooting death of her husband, Michael. Marie claims she's hesitant to say more because she's trying to protect Michael's reputation, a claim that further confuses detectives. If you thought you'd be one did the one wife or your dad to be so. Would he not curse you to think they were so different?
Starting point is 00:37:10 I don't know what you're talking about. Events of what the agent had to do was just to begin to present facts to her and get yes-no answers from her. She said that Michael was in one of his moods that night. According to Marie, Michael asked her to come to the garage to sit with him while he worked. She did, but not before stopping at her car.
Starting point is 00:37:35 She gets out the 380. She puts it into her back pocket. She doesn't really know why she decided to take the gun up there. Something just didn't feel right. Is that point you had to pistol that wasn't your car? Is that right? Check your head, yes. Yeah, the answer, are you?
Starting point is 00:37:58 Once again, her answers turned vague. So she went up to the shop. She said that there was an argument in the shop, she didn't know what the argument was about. Couldn't remember that. Marie tells them that the next thing she remembers is running from Michael. Why was she running? She was trying to get away from me. And then at this point we have gaps,
Starting point is 00:38:33 total gaps in the story that she couldn't remember. Was there a reason you were trying to get away from it? Yes, yes, it was that. She tells me a lot of things were blurry about that night. She thought she would call running away, and firing back towards him. You remember running and shooting back? Is that what you're saying?
Starting point is 00:39:02 Yes. Yes. Marie claims she just kept running all the way to her house. She stated that when she got back to the house, she took her daughter to work and then she went to the library and gave the gun to Christopher Smallen. And then she came back on. Marie says that it wasn't until Michael's customer
Starting point is 00:39:28 called that she went back to the garage. I didn't know what he had to come back. You got back down. You got back a word. Back home. No matter how much they press her, Marie can't, or perhaps won't, provide a complete account of what transpired. Even so, detectives have enough to place her under arrest. It's just, it's like parts fast forward or something.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Even so, detectives have enough to place her under arrest for first degree murder. Oh, Lord, we were so happy when she got arrested. She got arrested in December, just a week or two before Christmas. It breaks your heart a little. I would have never thought Marie could have snapped and done something like this. I would have never out of anybody seen this coming. As the case makes its way through the courts,
Starting point is 00:40:36 prosecutors piece together what they think really happened the day Michael was shot. I knew believe that he was inside the garage when his first shot. She's sitting in the chair, close out the gun, and she's... She apparently had tried to shoot an emote, which was the bullet lodged in a tire. Meest, he then realized what was going on, attempted to run, and was shot in a neck, which is why he
Starting point is 00:41:07 failed, where he had failed in the driveway. Clearly there was something to miss in the marriage. Arguably, again, it was an unhappy marriage. And she wanted, for whatever reason, to get out of this marriage and to escape. Despite what they believe is a clear picture of how and why the crime went down, prosecutors aren't convinced a jury will see things the same way.
Starting point is 00:41:35 We all know trials are kind of like wars. They have uncertain outcomes. So based upon that, we agreed to a plea. In June of 2015, Marie Strickland pleads guilty to second-degree murder. At her sentencing hearing, she begs the judge for leniency. And in the process, gives prosecutors a glimpse into the defense she would have put on had the case gone to trial.
Starting point is 00:42:02 She said it was in self-defense because they were arguing and he was chasing her. Marie's attorneys claim that Marie had reason to fear Michael, based on a pattern of abuse that had gone on for years. What Marie had stated to her psychologist was that, I guess, he was controlling, that if she was he was controlling, that if she was gone too long, that he would text her,
Starting point is 00:42:30 that he would follow her on occasions, that he wouldn't let her family members come to the house. The allegation of abuse only took place after the murder. She'd never told her family members that he was abusive. She had never called the police about it. I mean, not only had he not been convicted of abusing her, he had never been arrested for abusing her. There were no courts of abusing her.
Starting point is 00:42:58 The judge agrees with prosecutors. The sentence range from 15 to 25 years and the judge surrendered a sentence of 21 years and that was a good sentence. She had already spent right at two years in county jail so that left her with not tenets of change. I wish it was longer. Her sentence was longer. I don't know anything to do with her. I think it should have been longer, at least a little longer, because I think it was premeditated. With Marie behind bars,
Starting point is 00:43:30 friends and family must deal with the carnage left in her wake. I don't know why she did it. If you're not happy and you're seeing somebody else which she was and he was too, why did you go back? If you're that miserable, why do you go back? I've wondered a lot, you know, what would it take to make Marie do this because she was one of us?
Starting point is 00:43:54 She really was, she's one of us. And what would it take to push you to do that and I'm drawn to blanks still today? The most mysterious aspect of it is not knowing the specific motive. Or even the specific reason that is troubling, they would like to know the reason. They would like to know the specific reason for this, and they have never received an answer to it, and you know, I don't anticipate the ever will. In June 2015, Marie's brother, Chris Smallen, pleaded guilty to accessory after the fact
Starting point is 00:44:30 for disposing of the murder weapon. You received a two-year suspended sentence. Marie Strickland is set to be released in 2031. She will be 59 years old. For more information on SNAP, go to oxygen.com.

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