Soder - The Mayor of Birmingham with Roy Wood Jr. | Soder Podcast | EP 9

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

This episode Dan is joined by comedian Roy Wood Jr. and they talk about their early days working in radio. Drop us a rating on iTunes and subscribe to the show to help us grow. Dan is on the road all 2024! Get tickets @ https://www.dansoder.com/tour Sat, FEB 3, 2024 - Stamford,CT Sun, FEB 4, 2024 - Manchester,CT Boston | Feb 17 2024 FEB 22 & 23rd, 2024 - Cleveland,OH Thu, FEB 29, 2024 - San Antonio,TX MAR 1 & 2nd, 2024 - Comedy Mothership - Austin,TX Follow Roy https://www.instagram.com/roywoodjr/?hl=en Connect with me! Twitter: https://Twitter.com/dansoder Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dansoder Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dansodercomedy Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dansoder Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/@dansoder.comedy #dansoder #standup #comedy #entertainment #podcast Produced by  @homelesspimp  https://www.instagram.com/thehomelesspimp/?hl=en

here's the whole thing this is what i was excited to talk to you about to get you on the podcast you started in radio like me you started yeah by the way mid-market radio what market did you start i started my first ever radio internship was tallahassee florida okay then i moved up to birmingham now you're from which is market 70 it's market 59 49 now but that's before they did the redistricting you know radio guys no market sizes yeah tallahassee is 91 and then i's such a dick measuring thing. Because Tucson's 63. It's like playoff seating. Yeah, you're like, I know exactly what Tucson is. I could have told you like back in the day, the top five,

where I'd be like New York, LA, Houston. Phoenix. Phoenix, Chicago. No, Phoenix is 17. Phoenix dropped. Phoenix dropped. Well, when I was coming up. I'm thinking TV.

I'm thinking TV, Phoenix. I think Phoenix is top 10. So when you, so you were living in Florida. Yeah, I was in college. You were in college. So it's the same. Yeah.

I created the internship at that radio station. And it's just cause you were, when you were at college, you weren't doing standup yet. A little bit. You had tried it. I tried it. I'd done like open.

I would go over to Florida state. I went to Florida A&M, but I would go over to Florida state. Cause I didn't want to get booed on campus and they have to see motherfuckers. Yeah. So I would go over to florida state i went to florida a&m but i would go over to florida state because i didn't want to get booed on campus and they have to see motherfuckers yeah so i would go over to florida state pretend to be a i looked out um these two people that ran student activities from florida state they were from birmingham okay and that's where you grew up correct and so fucking megan adam they go hey anytime you want to fucking come back and just do the student show just for

and florida state had comedy every fucking week bro it's fucking bobby lee and earthquake it's like lavelle crawford like they had beasts they had real con in 98 like florida state what i'm telling you man division one tuition goes to some wild shit bro yeah it's fucking this guy is a he's not nationally known but it's by his choice but there's this college beast i don't even know if he's still touring they have this motherfucker buzz sutherland buzz sutherland is just like some fucking sounds like first off it sounds like a 50s nfl player but that would be a road comic name or he's like buzz sutherland was one of the best college it's like when street ball or something you didn't even know half man half amazing i'm telling that was a guy man johnny too funny that

motherfucker dunk on you from the three point line it's funny though people don't realize in comedy that exists with every single comic every comic knows a guy that chose a real job instead of being the funniest we all have a friend none of us are the funny no professional comedian is the funniest person in his circle no we all know the guy that's the funniest that doesn't need it he doesn't need the i get please he had parents and love growing up or even just got pussy young something that like changed his brain chemistry or like being the funniest at the barbershop is enough for him yeah it's scratch that itch yeah that's a rash of insecurity over our whole body so i must travel to i must meet new strangers

i need scratch it scratch local strangers are not enough scratch my itch because i started when i was i started radio first because i didn't believe i could do stand-up i was like let me get into radio because i wanted a job that was fun that i didn't hate and i was like oh radio i love radio bro i kept a foot in radio for 12 years that's while doing stand-up i had letterman credits really everything and i was still in some capacity if i wasn't co-hosting at minimum i was creating content for the birmingham station so you were on the off chance that all my la my la move blows up in my face yeah i know i can always go back to birmingham that you know what that makes me feel better knowing someone as funny as you had that like well i gotta keep

because i kept being like well i'll if stand-up ever works out i can always go back to radio you're always worried like it's hard something if this falls apart especially if you're good at it and there's not a lot of slots in radio and as the radio is a very hard profession to work in when things were good and that's 98 when i started early 2000s is when i started i started in 03 so you started at the end of the the the change in the i don't want to say the end but the chant with the rise of streaming and napster and satellite radio yes created two convergences it was like fucking a two-front war and i'll tell you something that no one ever talks about that destroyed radio cdrs burnable cds oh yeah i make

my own mixtape everyone did radio stations that probably lost so much momentum for radio stations that they have no idea was the ability to create your own mixtapes you could just buy them from a local dj i would just buy the hottest 30 songs this is what I want to know. DJ the White Stone and there was a fucking mixtape called the Star Report. It was at the peak of like black radio would just take whatever national news

and name a mixtape after this shit. I love that. The fucking Ken Starr, Bill Clinton That's so great. And it was a mixtape called the Star Report. Oh my God god there's got to be an impeachment one from 98 i guarantee you or the cigars the blue dress tape yeah yeah i hope they do that now with the epstein list we were like oh this is the epstein list these

are all verses about tropical islands somebody tweeted me asked me if i was on the epstein list and i'm like you really have the wrong skew of my celebrity yeah also when the epstein island was popping i was fucking barely a teenager man if anything i would have been an employee not a fucking guest of the island if they do a last dance for epstein island when they do when it was at its best when it was at its best, when it was at its peak. To catch a predator, but go ahead. Yeah, Chris Hansen just says, when was Epstein Island at its peak? I don't know. Late 90s? That's a good question.

Because then you start thinking about, like, which one of these Maxim models or FHM was, like, can Peter Guerrero speak on, like, going down there, doing rich guy shit? Because everyone thinks it's going to be modern celebrities but it's not i don't think it's going to be enough people where it's going to be a smoking gun to affect anybody's career whatsoever but this is the type of shit like before also the internet killed radio to a degree because radio was where news was broken so to get the latest gossip you had to come to us in the morning to figure out what was what. What was your celebrity gossip called?

411? Which one was it? Morning shows always had a name for like... My co-host, New York at the time, who's now here at WBLS in New York City. Radio guys can throw out calls. WBLS, WGLK. Like gang fascists. Oh oh she's a rolling 66 now

yeah i was a wvht high 105.7 north florida south georgia's number one then i moved over to walr kids 104 at last 92.1 and 101.3 kids and then i moved to 92.3 wxrk which was also known as k-rock it really is like a speak. Radio, young kids aren't going to have any idea the power that it had. No. But 98, you're in Birmingham. Well, at the time, I was in Tallahassee. I got to Birmingham in 01 when I graduated.

Our co-host in New York, our news was called the What Had Happened Was. Great. Because like with black people. Great. What happened? Well, what had happened was great because like with black people right what happened well what had happened was blah blah blah happened did you ever hear that old russman eve joke no he says the what had happened he said that a girl says that to him at his bodega and she goes he goes can i get a um pepperoni pizza bagel and she goes what had happened he

goes well what had happened was I woke up hungry. It's an old joke that I always think about whenever I hear what had happened was. So I did radio. So you graduate 01. I graduate 01. I move back home. I get an internship off of a lie to the comedy club. Because at the time, so Ricky Smiley, who is a syndicated legend now and stand-up comic and you know he he's walked the walk but chose radio as the more if we're talking a 60 40 ratio sure of

income yeah he's a radio guy you'd lean more he'd go do a live remote before he'd go do a gig correct and he still does a live tour but at the time time, that was the rise of Ricky in the South. So Ricky Smiley is and is still comedy god in Birmingham, Alabama. He was the first one from that market to really break through nationally. So when he left. He can get you shut down at the Stardome. No bullshit. Really?

Like you fucking, Ricky can make a call. I love that. I love that old school comedy. Hey, man uh we got to pull you off the show i love that old school we heard small town one guy running shit we heard you did some of johnny too funny's material from last week so you and ricky haha were stealing yeah but you know back in those days especially black comics motherfuckers would check you for stealing jokes they will pull up to your fucking show and fight you like all of this back and forth over the internet and that's my joke and let's compare clips no i'm gonna just show up and i'm gonna beat the shit out of you and then i'm gonna tell everybody that i beat the shit out of you which is now your persona non grata at half of the rooms where you can work but it's funny to know that someone got their ass whooped for being like yeah you ever uh a pussy a pussy

gets wet like this it's like doing that yeah that's the joke that got you beat up yeah you ever uh what got your ass kicked while i was doing this joke about you ever fuck a girl and her eyes roll back in her head and it turns out that was two comedians i'm not going to name their names i'll tell you off air yes which i will get they got into a we decided to stay with their argument instead of going to commercials or playing music and this is back before we kept logs and so for those of you don't know in radio working in radio commercial logs are the most important thing once they're lost it's the law it's how the it's how the station makes money it's how everything like you they will say cussing cursing whatever you want to call it is secondary on air like if you cuss on air miss your spots it's not as bad as if you miss spots if you miss the log if you miss the commercials time out to

nfl games just to play more spots that's how important radio is like you do not fuck up a log so if you guys chose just to keep going these two motherfuckers got into an argument and one guy the guy that was in studio was a guest he's performing at the stardome in birmingham yeah and he gets to talking shit about a local guy okay on his so you're you're talking shit about a local on his station where he's he can listen you're a guest in my city and you're talking shit about me on my radio station yeah oh motherfucker i'm gonna call the station oh and they got into a 20 minute argument about who was the first to pull their pants up really, really high on stage.

That was the art. That was the bit. It's always, it's never going to be something crazy original or it's always something like hacky and like, yeah, you were the, who was the first one to fuck the stool? You put the goofy teeth in your mouth and then, you know i like the redneck hillbilly teeth you can put in your mouth yeah it was that like one of them does a bit when they put the hillbilly teeth in and hitch their pants up it's a hilarious bit but it's physical comedy let's not argue the origins of and for 20 minutes these two went at it like rabbit dogs then judge ricky smiley

no ricky wasn't involved i'm trying to know if they brought in the honorable but ricky smiley but it was a matter of principle and a couple of months later they happened to be performing in the same city and they had a fight i can't those that's the most details i can give you on here without people being able to go and back engineer who they are. Okay, now my question is. What I'm saying is like, if you stole from me. We'd fight. Eventually, we are going to fight. Okay, you talking shit about me in my hometown.

By the time I get to the radio station, you're going to be gone. That's cool. But sooner or later. And the motherfucker found him and he fucking fought. I wish we kept that law. That's fucking, but that's the, we used to fucking have standards. Well that's all gone now because now someone with like a lot of followers does your joke and

all of a sudden you're like well now i i have no i can't fight that that boy talked that shit they talked that shit and then one of them got knocked out at their merch table in front of their fans oh three months later which how do you not put a shirt over the knocked out body, take a picture, and sell that as the poster? If I'm snoozing, if I get put to sleep in front of my merch, take the picture, because we're

selling more merch with that picture than we are without it. Like the ghetto boys when Bushwick got shot in the eye. Yeah, when they put him in the hospital with him on the cell phone. Yeah, and they just put him on a gurney. He said, take the picture. Album cover. album cover yeah dude that's what it is if you get because because comedy and and you know we always talk about this comedy is always losing that's why like this this boom of cool comedy doesn't work because you're supposed to be a loser you're supposed to be the guy it's funnier if you get knocked out than if you knock a guy

out and then tell the story it's like how ch Chris Rock has a better story to tell than Will Smith. Yeah, if he would have been the Will Smith, that wouldn't have been funny. Yeah, if Chris had fought back and won, that's still not a funny story. No, it's better if you're the victim. If you're the punchline, that's funnier. Yeah, but man, I did radio Ricky Leaves Town to go start a new show. So now I'm the guy replacing Ricky. And so they do a huge.

Like a local, you're replacing a local legend. A literal legend. And this is after you interned. I've interned in Tallahassee. This is the only reason that got me to conversation in Birmingham was because I had a degree in broadcast and I was actively doing standup. It's the only reason Birmingham even considered me. Mind you, my father is a fucking radio legend from literally from the South African Soweto riots.

My father up until his death in 95 was a Birmingham news radio legend. So that helped get me a foot in the door. My father covered embedded with the Vietnam soldiers. Soweto riots. He was in Zimbabwe, Rhodesian Civil War shit. It's a respected name and i have a brother also named roy who was at that time he was the evening anchor on nbc 13 in birmingham so i have pedigree journalistically i mean journalistically your family runs the news in birmingham but my fucker is you as funny as ricky smiley that's all that's all birmingham the cronk heights of birmingham and then they're like but ricky's smiley name like prank calls though dude it's funny to think that your dad's out here

busting like really major stories and your brother's like this just in the challenger has exploded and you're going like did you put your ass on the phone yeah you're doing like radio call i'm calling the door is not open i'm calling gas stations to book celebrity barbecues like just silly shit was there ever an insecurity about that was there ever like like living in the shadow yeah like because your your family's like your dad's like this journalistic yeah but i grew up at that time in my 20s i was 21 i had a chip on my shoulder sure about my pops so i didn't care about the shadow my goal was to eradicate his reputation so you were like watch me yeah it was right yeah it was it was on some good father bad husband

so you know my pops our relationship was very two-sided it just you know it just it wasn't as level as you would like for a relationship to be but there was still a lot of respect professionally yeah but that but that drives you to be like but that drove me to be i'm going to be i'm going to make them forget your name not realizing that the more i rise it only helps him because you cannot escape who you are you cannot escape your father so it's like they're following the name all the way to the end to realize it's a different person it took me almost 20 years to realize that his legacy is his legacy and i'm just building my own and they stand together. It's two buildings. It's not one building growing higher and shadowing the other.

Like inevitably if my legend grows, so does his because I stand on his shoulders. At what point did you have that breakthrough? Because I'm coming from a completely opposite perspective where absentee father gone dead. I had the thing of like, well'm gonna make my name when i'm when i was young 21 getting into comedy it's like well i'm gonna make this a name because so i just know that in my 30s was when i was like oh this has nothing to do with him at all was it in your 30s

that you realized yeah it was when i had my son really it was long i had my son to 37 yeah what am i 45 now yeah so it was somewhere around when i had my kid where it just reconstitutes fatherhood and then you look back at the relationship and you're okay well there's some things i could have done better and some things he could have done better. Well, you know. Yeah, you start. Yeah, but because I have to take the best of him and also give that to my son. Sure. So it forced me to look at the good things about my dad. Yeah.

And then you realize how many of those qualities are in you now. And you look up at yourself in your 30s and you go, fuck me, I'm him. Yeah. I'm the guy that rides around the city doing nothing but as many good deeds as possible in birmingham when i'm out in the grocery store people speak to me it's a friendship like like birmingham is is different in that it's not a city where i think i'll ever be famous i haven't performed there in 12 years because i don't think i could sell a ticket because everyone knows it's like, I'm your cousin.

I'm your uncle. They're very familiar. But they would buy a ticket to see you in another city if they were there. And they would support me in a heartbeat. When we had the Daily Show ratings, I fucking carried Alabama on my back. Yeah. Does someone keeping stats in the office at Comedy Central be like, Oh, there's a spike in Alabama.

Oh, my Lord. Alabama's off the charts. Bro, we did an Alabama week and we went down and covered the state of Alabama for a whole fucking week and just did stories focused on that community. And a lot of that is because of, like you

said, everything's data now. There's a reason why you fucking went down there. So, that place I love. I still go back every, and that's part of my fault. I'm also super visible every time there's something charitable to do. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

I know, and I'm cool with that. But that's exactly who my father was. He just going around doing that? He did good stuff. He helped a gang of people. Man, your daddy hired me the one time and the thing i go around and do radio now yeah and i'm oh bro when i did the correspondence dinner yeah motherfucker there is a table american urban radio network my dad was one of the co-founders

of the national black network which in the 70s was a syndicated news channel dedicated to only delivering black news. It was the first of its kind. So the idea- If you sunburn, get the fuck out of there. Your news will not be covered. You freckly fucks, get out of here. They did.

You freckled fucks. You freckled fucks got your own news. You freckled fucks. Go put on your SPF 50 and get the fuck out of our face. Bro, for like, and keep in mind, this was in Chicago at WVON. My father was one of the people to give Don Cornelius some of the front money

for Soul Train. Like he was a good dude. Like didn't take no producer credit with you fucking shit ass. I mean, my God. First off, he would have been a comic. He didn't believe an idea, which I understand at the time.

But it is funny. He's like, I have this friend Don and his friend Don's like, he would have been a comic. He didn't believe an idea, which I understand at the time. But it is funny. He's like, I have this friend, Don, and his friend Don's like, what if there was a train? A soul train? That's pretty much what the conversation was. If they do the Don Cornelius biopic, and it's like, Roy Wood Sr., I know you're not going to believe me. You have to play your dad. I wish they would have put it in. There was a show on bet called american soul

and went two or three seasons and and they showed the moment where don met my dad they added that to the series they didn't show the moment where my dad turned down the soul train bread but my father met don canary don canary used to be a cop he pulled my dad over for a rope for rolling through a stop sign my pop goes you have a nice voice motherfucker come work at this radio station fuck this police shit don canelius says bet starts doing radio and then that's began that began don canelius's journey through media and my father was one of the people he went to hey give me a couple dollars i got an idea we're gonna do some dick clark shit yeah and my dad's like all right here's some money but just bring it back you want to be a producer no just bring me back my money that ain't nobody gonna watch that shit then it becomes soul trade

you know what's funny about that is deep voices are the only other thing besides being hot that get you jobs where you go like you know like pam anderson got discovered at like a toronto argonauts football game on the big screen and they were like i didn't know that oh yeah they like showed her and everyone was like, who is that girl's gorgeous. And then she became like the Molson ice girl. And then like, and then off to the race and then off to the races. But it really is that thing where you're like,

do you know why I pulled you over? And he goes, that's a great voice. And he's like, well, I'm just a cop. It's like, well,

you got to get, it's the only other thing besides being sexy is having a voice that someone's like, I can listen to you remember the golden voice guy yeah the homeless guy homeless guy yeah and it turns out he was a radio guy that just partied his dick off out of the industry just fell off they just fell off and then like he got all that money he's like looks like i'm back to my old habits when you fall off the wagon with that voice looks like it's time to do cocaine again.

Cocaine. I'm going to snort that. I'm looking forward to doing that. Rail a blow. So your dad basically is one of the reasons Soul Train. My dad is one of the backbones of black radio. That is. So you're doing a correspondence dinner.

So I'm doing a correspondence dinner. And there's the American Urban Radio Network. The National Black Network eventually through mergers and blah, blah, blah over the decades became American Urban Radio Network, which is still standing to this day. And it's a collection of syndicated black content and of cross genres of formats of music. And afterwards, just black person after black at the black person's just coming up to me and just going your dad hired me da da da da I first worked for your father went down at your father helped me with the just countless motherfuckers just from across the country so when you have a kid and you're trying to figure out well what's the best part to me and then

you're comparing what's the best part to your pops and there's a lot of shit on the list that matches up yeah you have to accept that you are him yeah there is no erasing him you literally are him yeah yeah you're 50% his DNA yeah so that's when I

like let go of the shit but at the time in Birmingham when I was 21 and I'm trying to get a 21 and i'm trying to get a job and i'm trying to replace ricky smiley my point to all of that is that that's how huge ricky smiley was was that i needed stand up a degree in journalism and my family reputation yeah just to get a chance to even be thought that maybe you could replace Ricky and sit in that chair. I mean, that is a massive, being that young and replacing a legend is, especially at the time when radio is as big as it is,

people don't realize that is a massive ask. This is Pete Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony. I mean, radio. Star and Buck Wilde, Wendy Williams. Star and Buck Wilde was massive. Tom Joyner, Morning Show, Big Boy on the West Coast. Big Boy was LA. I mean radio buck wild wendy williams starring buck wild was massive joiner morning show big boy on the big boy was la uh kevin and bean were at k-rock la bubble love spawn give him love he fucking he was he was running shit at the time I mean in florida you also had uh mike calta who

went by cowhead yeah and then you had up in chicago you had uh cowman uh what the other cow oh man cow man cow you had man cow and cow head but it was like it was like um an apocalyptic world when like different places run the territories where it's like that was what radio was it was and it was like stern was the first one to go syndicated. And then all, everyone followed, you know, and you had ONA syndicated. You had Star and Buck Wilder syndicated. Big Boy. Tom Joyner ran the South. Star and Buck Wilder had the East Coast.

Big Boy had everything west of Dallas. Russ Parr had kind of that middle Big Ten, Big Twelve territory. And I remember I was working in radio. I was in Tucson when Stern left K-Rock in New York and went to Sirius XM. And I remember them carving it up between Adam Carolla was the West Coast. Yeah. And David Lee Roth was the East Coast. Really?

That's what I gave the East Coast? At first. And then he failed so bad that they gave it away to people. But I worked, when I moved here in 07, I was doing the same thing where I was like, I need radio. I can't just do standup. Well, radio would help sell tickets.

So my idea was this. If I could do prank calls as good as Ricky, then it'll give me the creative freedom to do everything else I want to do in radio i wanted to do goofy songs and funny sketches and like take it back to that 1950s radio play yeah type shit but for urban radio sure but that's a tough sell to a pd who just got fucking five years out of a guy who just every morning just could just improv yeah the most hilarious prank calls and he would do funny calling characters oh fuck bob and tom bob and tom bob and tom was a little later like oh what late 90s early 2000s but they made comics in a

way that similar to ona where if you got on bob and tom and you had more relevant than letterman yeah me for me well for touring if you did bob and tom i remember nate bargetzi i was opening for him this is like oh eight he got a call to do bob and tom and we were like nervous we were like driving out to the gig and he's like i got we were in a parking lot somewhere and he's like i gotta wake up at like 7 a.m and do bob and tom and we're like bro here we go that shit changed my touring before i left the building really and it's not and i say that with respect to david letterman and late night as a whole. But by the time I did Letterman in 06, I'd already been on Bob and Tom for two years.

So I could have a comparison of which one changed my life in a more instantaneous status. Late Night in 06 wasn't 1996. It was a great credit. It was great leverage within the industry. But to say that the general public's level of give a fuck about you the suede radio for me suede people faster it's suede club owners faster than being on letterman

at that time and this is just something that's interesting for two guys that have done both radio and stand-up our whole careers you see it now again with podcasts podcasts are the new radio yes you get on a podcast it can change your touring more than any tv appearance a million percent like look at rogan rogan i've watched him make a lot of my friends millionaires it's like you go on like remember what the fuck when marin came out it was like if you got on that it would change who listened to you and marin started that because air america got 86 by sirius xm that's exactly what i talked to him about because i got fired from k-rock a month after marin got

fired from air america and i was like you don't remember when we talked at eastville about getting fired from radio and he was like oh man and i was like yeah dude i remember because radio the thing about radio and I still have friends that work in radio it's like it it was shrinking to the point where you're like how are you making your living doing this it got scary because they started automating everything hey everybody hitting the road in 2024 a lot of fun shows coming up February 3rd I'm going to be at New York Comedy Club in Stanford Connecticut February 4, I'm going to be at New York Comedy Club in Stanford, Connecticut. February 4th, I'm going to be at the Funny Bone in Hartford.

Then February 17th, two shows at the Wilbur Theater in Boston. First show almost sold out, so get tickets before it does. Second show, there's tickets available. DanSoder.com for all those. And then Cleveland, Ohio, coming to Hilarity's, one of my favorite clubs. I'm going to be there February 22nd through February 24th. So the month of February is all up at DanSoder.com. We'll see you in Connecticut, in Massachusetts, and in Ohio.

DanSoder.com. Thanks for listening to the podcast or following me. Whatever. However you took this. Thank you. And I tried it for a year. Bro, when I was doing Daily Show my first year, I was still doing mornings in Atlanta on a satellite box. You were doing ISDN?

I was doing, no, because my building wouldn't allow me to install one. So I was on a Verizon 4G internet card. Just calling every morning? Every morning doing live breaks and in between now granted this is in the later days of radio where you only took two breaks an hour two three minute breaks one at the 10 one at the 40 so if we pre-recorded a couple breaks i could get an hour to myself to be a father in the morning. I have a one-year-old. Right when you had your son. I got a one-year-old, and I'm in the living room doing morning radio in Atlanta. And then we're off the air.

We go into a music sweep at 9. I like sweeps. God, I love the radio talk. Really, it's goosing me up. We just play music for an hour to 10 and play spots. So I would get off the air at 9, and I would be in morning meeting by nine, 10.

For the daily show. I'd be at the daily show. And then I would start my day at the daily show. So you worked full, two full-time jobs. And then I got off the daily show at six because in those days, whether you were on the show or not, you were either working on a piece or editing a piece.

Is this when John's still the host? No, no, this is Trevor. This is all first year Trevor. This is like early, late 2015, 2015 early 2016 and at this point i would get off air at like i would get i would leave daily show at six come home be a father till eight and then i would hit the clubs because i had an hour special that i was polishing so now i'm in the clubs till midnight now i lay

down and i get back up at five in the morning, do my show prep for 30 minutes for Atlanta. At this point, I had to hire an intern from the show. I was paying him 50 bucks to send me just- News stories. Just send me news stories. Send me 20 stories. Daddy zines. Now-

And then I would get up at, and then I would fire up my old Verizon 4G card at 545 and be ready for the first break at 610. So you're going on air. I mean, you're going on air at 6 a.m. Yeah, live. Live. And then you're basically working up until midnight with maybe four hours to yourself.

On average, four hours. But how good did it feel to quit that? It felt good, but there was still the paranoia because I still didn't have the job security at Comedy Central yet. It was still the paranoia because I still didn't have the job security at comedy central yet. It was still, I'm still on first year rookie deal. So, so you're on a rookie contract and you're like,

I got to get this. I got a fucking, so I got to quit radio because I need the mental real estate. Yeah. Well, you would, to do comedy and daily show correctly. And if I do those correctly,

I'll make more money. Sure. Which will cover quitting radio. Yes. Now that's, that's a theory. That's all you're operating on. So as someone that,

and both of us come coming up doing radio, I think there's a part of it where you start writing it off, where you don't think radio is an effort because you came up doing it, wanting to do standup. So when you know, so when you do standup though, you're like, like,

I remember what I would do. Like I got bonfire and i got billions at the same time and i remember going like bonfire's just hanging out that's not work this is me and jay bullshitting for two hours i gotta work on the scene i gotta work on twice a week right no we did four times four shows a week two hours a day oh lord so that's what i mean when i say like and y'all weren't pre-recording because y'all took calls yeah we took call we were live so but I got my final thing with radio through the bonfire because I got fired from K Rock in 09 and I was like I'm done with radio they the way they let us all go the way it was like we all knew it was coming but they didn't want to tell us it was coming so they just started

laying people off in like levels where you're like hey we we all know you're gonna wipe us out just tell us you're gonna wipe us out so we can start looking and they're like nah you're fine and then the music director gets fired and then they hire someone else then he gets fired they start doing format changes that's why you got to leave bro when you feel that shit getting weird but i was here i was in new york i was on air in new york where i wanted to do stand-up and so the only other option would have been like move to des moines and do afternoons at the rock station right so i was like i was watching it slip away so when i got fired from

k-rock i was like fuck radio radio's dead anyways and then got this opportunity with serious xm where they were like do you want to do a show and i was like well yeah Jay and I want to do a show and they were like well let's do I got to do my own thing in a way that felt better than anything I've ever done in radio where it was like oh I get to go in and just be me and I get no notes it's got to be that and to me terrestrial radio is still run by consultants and I've had and like when I left oh the consultants in terrestrial radio if people knew at home how many of these guys i was trying to think of the guy darren or dylan that used to be the consultant that would come in and fuck up kfma but then he would be like i might be able to get metallica for your big concert but then he would like ruin all these great ideas yeah radio stations pay private companies yes

half a million dollars to come in and tell them what they're doing right and wrong yes based on what they've observed at other stations that they're also contracted they're trendsetters they don't know the actual station they're working with they're just coming in and here's something that worked over there yeah try it here but I understand why they do that because 80% of radio stations are owned by four companies now. So when I was in radio, Clear Channel was the enemy. And then when I got fired, they changed to iHeart Radio. Yeah.

I love radio. Motherfucker, you are ruining it. When you were Clear Channel, you were buying up every station and making it all the same yeah every market plays the same there's like a bucket of 120 130 songs and you can pull from that bucket and they have different categories like power goal like they have like yeah power news oh dude let's get into the programming talk yeah i could do programming talk all day but there was a song that was the shit last year that you don't mind hearing again. That you're not quite tired of. That would be a power versus new power, power, new.

And they would program it like boop, boop, boop. One, two, three, four. One, two, three. Snake schedule fantasy draft. Like one, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four. That's why when you throw back jam.

Yeah. That's why when anyone listens to radio and they go, well, they play own songs you go like well it's actually that that is true it's by design it's so that they can they get my do you think and this is just a theory do you think if someone had the balls in terrestrial radio to go like let's just open it up let's just get as close to breaking the fcc as possible and let's let people program what they want to program, play what they want to play. You'd be betting your job. Yeah. You'd bet your job on it.

Also, the other part, the other problem with radio, in my opinion, to a degree, is that they rely heavily on research and these ratings monitors that people basically in real time, they can see down to the syllable when someone changes the station. Yeah. So near the end, near the end of me in Birmingham, at least you got an email. I found out on Twitter that I was fired. No way. Yeah, I've been there 12, 13 years.

It's crazy. What was the tweet? What's even weirder about radio is that I'm not even mad at the dude. Like we're still cool. Like we're cool now. It wasn't cool then. But you're cool the way boxers are cool after a fight.

Years later in retrospect. Where you guys were both at a Nissan opening and you guys were both shaking hands going, you beat the shit out of me. Yeah, but I get it. You fired me partly because I moved to LA and I was doing the show on a sat line and we both agree that the show needed to be done

locally sure to grow into syndication but i felt you were reneging on syndication and steve burn offered me that fucking sitcom on tbs and i lived in la seven years and didn't book shit and the year i moved back home to do radio finally as a host burn all the way that's great you're bullshitting so yeah fire up the over rising card motherfucker yeah and i'll i used to get up you think the fucking atlanta shit was crazy with daily show when i was living in la doing sullivan and son i was up at 3 a.m west coast to do 5 a.m show prep yeah for an hour we show prep for an hour because i was the host i had to be a little more thorough and then we would do the show four hours then i would get up and go

to rehearsal all day for multi-camp and then have to wake up and do it again and then do sets that night bitch because i'm in la and i'm on a sitcom so you can't lose this heat you got to go out in the clubs you know what it was psychopath and it was psychopath you don't realize how exhausted you are like when but it was like god damn i was oh baby i was doing it yeah but that's the part that gets you through but you see you know like i think a lot of people when and we've watched friends of ours get very famous and kind of fall off with stand-up we won't name names but we know people that have gotten really big and then their standup falls off a cliff and you realize, well, yeah, they're doing 40 things. They're not just doing standup. So, cause you get all these opportunities, but people that see

your standup at that moment, maybe don't realize that you're hosting a morning show in Atlanta. You're on Sullivan and sons you're on and you're doing standup. So someone that just likes your standup is like, is like i don't know i can show you episodes of sullivan and sons where i'm about to fall asleep i would love to break that down i want to tell you right now i will do a sleepy tape episode of this podcast and we will come in and watch all the episodes where you are about to fall asleep fucking season one the script was like 60 pages. I probably had three pages of lines. Yeah. So the extent of me in every episode

of Sullivan's Son, it's just in the background drinking fucking ginger ale with TV foam on top. So it looks like beer. So I'm just drinking fucking ginger ale for five hours. You're doing a taping and I'm just fucking sugar pre-diabetic

not enough yeah you just fall asleep like get him another soda you go my blood my feet are tingling please don't do that there was a lot of billions where i would have like a 12-hour day with a line and then you're just i'm just in the background fake typing on a computer and there's moments where it's like dude i i there's moments where i'm just like staring it's hard you can tell a couple episodes where i'm just like looking at the computer and they're like i i couldn't even fake type i was tired yeah it's it was it was all worth it but just if i got back into radio i I do miss it. I do miss the connection with people.

That's the thing that I miss most. And that's the thing that I love the most about the daily show, but also became more difficult to do. Sure. Near the end of my run was, well, you're also getting more exciting stuff too. Like the,

cause the job of correspondent, you're still going out and talking to people. But once we got into the guest host rhythm of the show yeah it was hard to gauge how what story to send course like klepper had his beat but as a correspondent you weren't going out the doors frequently sure because also you were needed at the barn to do sketches and do other interactive shit and we were down a man because jabuki had left you know ronnie is doing marvel movies and crazy rich asian sequel so we're operating on like an eight-man roster we're supposed to be you know full strength supposed to be running 13 so i wasn't going out as much so there's part of that human connection that like yeah i would love to get that back but to get back in radio it would be like with it's like it's like

casino when they ask de niro to run the tangiers yeah all right if i do it it's got to be my way no interference yeah my rules my rule yeah that's what no one else can tell you what to do it's my fucking it's my club do you see a de niiro casino moment coming up? Like maybe when you're older and the touring for standup is calmed down and you've done stuff. Would you move back to Birmingham and be the guy? I don't know if I would move back to Birmingham for radio specifically. I do know eventually I will end up back in Birmingham. That's where you're going to end up.

I love the city too much and I care too much. Right now we're trying to get – I hosted the All-MLB Awards show. Yeah, David Perdue. I saw Dave in Atlanta. Yeah. And so part of my reasoning for doing that show was to start getting in the mix

and build a relationship with Major League Baseball because there's a lot of opportunities where baseball and, you know, with CC Sabathia and the work that he's doing, we're trying to keep black kids, you know, in the sport and they're renovating Rickwood field for the throwback game that they're doing next year. And that Rickwood's in Birmingham. That's the field where I grew up playing. Yeah. So there's a lot of good that could be done.

And I think ultimately what my role is to the city of birmingham i am the middleman liaison between the city and the money faucets across the country that's great though so that's what i'm trying that's like an importance on the level of your of what your dad did let me leverage you're an ambassador celebrity yeah hey have you thought about alabama yeah you went out and spoke to the coastal elites and you can bring their pretty much you can bring their epstein island money into birmingham just don't major league baseball i'm sorry if you're on epstein baseball you owe our family an apology because katie had a great season. What if Epstein's list just says football? Yeah, you know, oh, no.

Oh, no. Oh, Brady, Manning, all of them. Yeah, so, like, radio, bro, like, getting that job in 01, like, I lied. I lied to get the job. Because they auditioned a gang of people after Ricky leaves. They hire nobody. Yeah.

And then I come to town like two, three months after the con they're just like, we're just not going to have a comedian for a while. And we'll just have more comedian guests from the comedy club. Sure. I go in, I go, Hey man, um,

you know, I play the local club here. Um, you know, could I, could i come in and audition here's my air check which is like your audio resume i have air check tapes in this at the top of that closet i have about i'm not joking i tell you 20 cds that are all air talking on the radio just listen to me talk just me doing speed breaks okay for me so. And K-Rock. He goes, thanks, man. We're really not looking for anybody right now. I go, well, can I just create content?

Can I do news updates for you? Because that's what I was doing in Tallahassee. I was just hard news. Now you're at the point of the interview where you're just going, let me in the building. Yeah, this isn't even an interview. This is in the parking lot. Like, I'm stalked, this motherfucker, at the staff entrance. He's got his keys in his hand.

He's like, what are you doing to me? 5.30 in the morning. Really? Samuel Mack. I fucking ambushed this motherfucker because that's what Ricky Smiley did. That's how Ricky Smiley got the job. Was he just bothering the guy in the parking lot? Ricky Smiley showed up to that fucking radio station

every fucking morning and cracked on them as they walked in the door. That's a great way to show your skills unless it goes too well unless you hit a topic that he doesn't want to talk about then he's like i will never hire you motherfucker i do waddle like a duck back in those days the radio station when ricky started the radio station was on ground level like you could just see in off the street yeah yeah that's how ours was and he would just roast them through the glass that's great in the morning just like you got to come inside sorry you gotta so i go i go to i go to sam mac uh buck wild was his name not the same buck wild yeah and i go man

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I, I, I, I, Samore. Correct. So the radio station would come and give out shirts on stage before introducing Samore's opener. Sure. I know you're going to fucking be. I know where you're going to be Friday. I don't have to keep coming here.

You will just see my comedy and then you will love me. The interview right there. Now I have to convince the comedy club to let me open. Oh my God. It's like a heist. And DL brings his own fucking people. Yeah. So he doesn't need a fucking.

The second you can bring your own people, you bring your own people. So I go to the comedy club. I go to Bruce Ayers and I go, hey man, I just got hired at 95 seven as the intern. That's a big shot downfield. What are you going to do?

Find out I lied and then just not book me and I'm still in the same fucking boat. So fucking throw the bomb. Yeah. Hey man, I just got hired at 95.7 and I know they host when DL comes, but I talked to Buck Wilde. Buck said I could do five minutes

and then bring up DL's opener. And then Bruce goes, all right, cool, congratulations. See you Friday. Did you have that feeling leaving that day where you're like, it worked? No, it hadn't worked yet bitch I had to get to Friday

yeah you still gotta do the set so I go back to the radio station I wait till 10 o'clock I wait for Buckingham to get off the air Buck come back out in the parking lot I go hey man just so you know I'm not gonna bother you anymore but I'm opening for Dio Hughley on Friday so when y'all come and do the shirts and everything

you'll be bringing me on stage. Just do me a favor. When you come off stage, just watch me. And if I'm not funny, we don't have to talk ever again. He said, deal. Get to the comedy club that night. Now all I have to do is keep Buck Wilde

and Bruce Ayers apart. There's like a sitcom. There's like Mrs. Doubtfire where he keeps running to change. Neither of these motherfuckers know that I've lied to the other motherfucker. Yeah, you can't let them find out. Fucking Bruce comes backstage. Okay, so what are we doing? What's the order? And then I just spring up.

Yeah, Buck's gonna go out and give out the shirt. He'll bring me up. I'll do five. Beautiful. And DL, you cool? I think he had Malik ass with him at the time. DL, and I'll bring up Malik. I'll bring you up. That's cool, DL. That's cool that work i'm only i'm gonna do a type three i'm not even do five i'm with the radio station you really did a catch me if you can kind of version of getting a job where you're like i know how to play it perfectly that if it goes right you get away

with it bro i don't know how it fucking just one of those nights where every joke hits, every syllable hits, every man. Did you know on stage? You're like, this is, I got it. Like if he doesn't hire me,

it's not because I wasn't funny. Yeah. I went out and I fucking did the job in front of jams listeners. This is Dio Hughley. This is the blackest, the fucking, and I got home feel advantage. Cause I know everybody wouldn't have time for this in this pot but because my mom bounced me around to so many schools growing up in birmingham i knew the whole city yeah because

i've fucking i've been to the east side i've been to school outside i started on the west side i went to the boys club with this guy played salted soft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking. You really are like the comedic mayor of Birmingham. So everyone at least knows me. You don't not already know me. And your fucking parents know my daddy. Yeah. So it's fucking home field advantage. I mean, crazy home field advantage.

Like a homecoming game. Fucking. I fucking crush. That's great. I crush that night. And I come off stage. And Buck Wilder's is standing there and he says see you monday morning bring crispy cream no way and that started my whole and they invented an

internship or they got to the job tallahassee i created an internship that got me the leverage to get me the job in birmingham and so you get the job and then you just start monday i start monday and that was it and that's that's how I got my job in radio. And you have to start doing print. And immediately I started getting my lumps because I'm not as funny as Ricky. It's a rhythm you have to learn. But I could produce my ass off though. No one ever talks about in those moments of like I fought for it and I got it. It's like a romance movie.

They always stop the romance movie right as they get together. They don't show a year in when they hate each other for certain shit. And they're like, you fucking, you ate my cereal. It's like, well, you dumb bitch, you shouldn't put it in there. They always just show like, I love you. I love you. And then it just ends like that. With job stories like that, they never tell you oh it sucked and i i bombed they never they never tell

you that part of it and i feel like they also never tell you the fact that soldier through sucking and if you're not good at one thing figure out something else that you're good at within that job and you can also learn how to get you can learn how to get good at it. Because I, and we got to wrap up, but I was, I did the same thing with KFMA in Tucson where I just, I went to their website and I found, I didn't wake up at 5.30 in the morning and go to the parking lot. Like that's a dedication that's blowing my mind. That you can be up that early. I'm 21, I'm 21, what else I got to do?

I know, exactly. But still 21, waking up that early. If you do radio and you rip, you will eat forever because you have an audience. And so my idea was get on as a co-host, be funny here, and then Memphis will put me on. Mike Evans will put me on. I'm thinking of all the other local shows. If I do well here, then I know that I know people in Atlanta will put me on the radio. And I'll do well. Frank Skeel fuck with me because I'm funny over here. It's just a step.

You keep going. You rip in Atlanta. Whatever bit I'm doing. And so the only thing I figured out was I could take my prank phone calls. At the time, this is pre-YouTube, pre-Napster, Bear Share. I will put my pranks on my website for people to download after the show. Hey, if you like the prank from today,

go to my website. And that's how I started building my email list. That's genius. I never had foresight like that. That is incredibly smart to be like, here you go. But that was just ingenuity out of anger in a weird way.

Because the IT guy at the station at the time, this motherfucker. Engineers always beef with the on-air, by the way, if you're wondering about radio. Engineers, there is a legitimate division between on-air talent and engineers because engineers build everything. They make sure everything runs, and then they just look at at on air talent as the divas that fuck everything up greg garcia i hope you're doing all right but we butted heads a lot and you got he used to get real mad i got stoned on commercial breaks when i worked at kfma he'd be like it's unprofessional you're with a bunch of fucking equipment and i was like shut up shut the fuck up shut up i'm gonna play corn when we get back my ass on these prank phone calls and we're only playing them once.

And then we replay the best ones by request on Friday. But nothing else is being done with them. So they're just being tossed aside. So I go to the IT guy, I go, hey man. And this is before the idea of web traffic and creating content and a station needing to figure out how to draw people to the web. I mean, that's what killed radio.

It's exactly what killed radio. I go to the IT guy, I go, hey, man, you know what would be cool? It's if we just let the pranks live on the website. And then people could just go to 957jams.com and just listen to any prank they want whenever they want. And we could put some ad or something beside it. I could promote my comedy show. I'm not building out the server space

I'm the bandwidth you can understand I have to reinstall real player real player embedded and I'm in a codec yeah so I fuck it then I'll just build my own and that's when I bought my URL and built my website

I built my out of like a fuck you I'll do like a fuck you, I'll do it. Yeah. Fuck you, Joe Boo. I do it myself. And I put my prank calls on my own website just for Birmingham people. This is just for people in Birmingham. But they started downloading them and emailing them to other people.

And so that like in 0203 going viral meant you went viral over email yeah so you're on an email chain with hundreds of other people who've seen this prank call and all thought it was funny and also passed it it's that's like it is the form of tiktok clips now it literally was that it was it was the genesis of retweets of tiktok clips of instagram clips going viral i couldn't buy server space fast enough really my site kept crashing from out of towners coming to download my shit so then i'm like okay well then let's make a cd let's put that on the site to sell mail order i'll do order fulfillment and i'm not making any money in radio at this point still we're like still first year buck wild is paying me out of his pocket a piece

of his quarterly bonus just because he appreciates me this man's salt of the earth i'll take a fucking bullet for that man like i'm making my little bullshit money on the road doing stand-up but i'm starting to understand this idea of the digital relationship with people and so I took my pranks and I started condensing them and this is to bring it back to how radio DJs really do help one another I put like 20 30 pranks on a CD and I started mailing them to radio stations in markets where the comedy club did not book me. So smart. And I would tell that DJ, hey, man, just play my shit. All I ask is that you say my name. That's it.

Say my website if you want to say it or not. But please say my name when you play my shit. So the prank would blow up in that market. Free content for you. Free exposure for me. Let that marinate for three, four months. Then call that bitch ass comedy club back go hey you bitch you didn't book me before yeah but now i'm on the radio so i was asking for an mc slot now i want a feature damn you and then i would get booked

and that helped me get booked then those djs that work in Tupelo and El Paso and Killeen, eventually they work in Dallas. They work in Oklahoma City. They work in Houston. They work in New Orleans. And they keep playing my shit in those markets, too. So I was able to grow. I grew with the DJ as their career grew so that my free content with them. I just I didn't harness it right, man.

I was ahead of the game. What are you talking about harness it right? I'm listening to everything you're doing. And I'm like, I just legitimately got so stoned at every radio station. It was like, I'll just be funny on the mic. I had, this is, what you're saying, the map that you let out in the process is so well executed. I just wish that I had done better with data collection. We all do.

I put all my shit on YouTube, bro. In 2005, I had 150,000 YouTube followers. And then I got myself copyright striked because I just didn't value it. Yeah. I didn't understand the value of the sales. Listen, I did a dumb thing like that when Comedy Central put out my hour special. Someone bootlegged it and put it on YouTube. And I remember the email where

my agent was like do we strike it down and I was like no but we're gonna get in trouble and I should have left it up because it would have gone other people would have saw it and instead no one saw it because Comedy Central you know Comedy Central played a special twice and now the algorithm

so tight and the copyright crawler is so tight online you can't get that off post my own shit yeah from my own special I've had I had Showtime strike down trailers that they gave me to post to post yeah email directly to me and then they're like no copyright infringement you're like you gave me it I'm in the clip and they're like all the person and oh a guy in our department's supposed to whitelist you and put you on the vip you can post our shit list and it's like it never man i hope first off i appreciate you coming by and it's all good talking radio you're one of my favorite comedians and being able to hang with

and talk with you and i was excited when mcdaniel got hired by the dolphins i texted roy but i don't think roy knew i knew mcdaniel so i was just like hey i'm on board with the dolphins and you wrote me back like all right you wrote me back and thinking like who gives a and then now and then i told you i'm like no no i grew up with him but you're a dolphins fan yeah and i know this is coming out in a couple weeks but i am very nervous about dolphins bills for the division this sunday tour tour can pull it out his ass that i believe fingers crossed i believe tour can pull that as we need that home first rounder because what you don't want is to lose to buffalo and then have to go and have to go to fucking buffalo or go to kc or go somewhere yeah uh you're one of my favorite

comedians i've always said i think you should have been the host for the daily show thank you right after john i'm just gonna say that well i think you are uh who knows by the time this airs they probably still wouldn't have figured it out yeah your stand-ups but your stand-ups on a different level i hope one day you become the mayor of Birmingham. You should be with everything that's happened. Or maybe your son does. No, I want him to stay in New York. Keep him in New York?

I'll handle Birmingham, boy. Let me go down and handle Birmingham. It's like a snake. You got to put a glove on. Now watch this. It'll bite you. You got to get right in its face. What's weird about going back home now is that because I'm not there on a regular basis with radio and finger on the pulse of the community, I am kind of an outsider. So I do have to kind of make sure that I'm doing things in conjunction with locals that are really on the ground.

Well, now it's going to. It doesn't seem like I'm coming in just. I know how to fix it because I've been on cable. Well, watch it. I got it. I got it. I got to host a correspondence dinner and like, well, that's not the energy we want. But if you go, I think you're warming yourself up perfectly for a show in Birmingham.

Because now, now that you're a little displaced, you can come back and make the observations of, this is what I've noticed has changed. I didn't know my last stand-up special would be shot in Birmingham. Your final one? Yeah, the last one. Because the first time I ever touched the stage was Birmingham so you know you wanted to complete the cycle it's a perfect book in yeah well that's not for at least another I don't know ten years five until they shut down stand up and we have to go back to terrestrial radio no

bitch these holograms coming the ghost of bernie mack yeah you're like oh i got bumped for prior again the prior the prior hologram ai richard jenny's bumping me again there's all these guys you're coming back it ain't shit's funny now it ain't gonna be funny it's like ghostbusters you're like sex robots start becoming performance robots who programmed the patrice o'neill into the sex robot he's just talking shit look at you bitch you robot bitch yeah look at your tiny dick

and you go I bought you because you were supposed to let me fuck you Roy you're the man dude thanks so much for coming by thank you man

website go see him live Roy Woods go watch his specials just go enjoy Roy Woods they're free on YouTube like you don't even have to go through the Paramount Plus

fuckery they put them up? Finally. Did they really? Yeah, it took a whole pandemic for the, finally. Go watch Royce and go watch mine. I got a couple specials on Comedy Central. I'm sure your shit's up. I got to go look up Comedy Central YouTube.

Yeah. They have a bunch of my shit. I didn't even know they were putting it out. You're the man, dude. Thanks so much. And go Dolphins. Yes, absolutely. Go Dolphins, go Niners.

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