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Episode Date: August 9, 2024

Hi. Katy, Cody, and Jonathan are back to discuss Kamala Harris' selection of Tim Walz as her running mate, Donald Trump's chaotic Thursday news conference, how Harris could do better with protesters at her rallies, and a very special Dave Matthews Band anniversary. There's just so much to say. Too much. Note: Since we recorded, Kamala Harris' campaign has said she does not support an arms embargo on Israel. Give Trade a try and see how you can make better coffee at home. Right now, they’re offering 30% off your first order when you visit https://drinktrade.com/MORENEWS and subscribe. You gotta check out the new softside Luggage from Away. Head on over to https://awaytravel.com/smn Right now, get up to 60% off your Babbel subscription - but only for our viewers - at https://Babbel.com/MORENEWS Right now, Hungryroot is offering Some More News viewers 40% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to https://Hungryroot.com/MORENEWS to get 40% off your first delivery and get your free veggies. We’ve worked out a special offer for our audience. Receive 15% off your first order of Arma Colostrum at https://tryarmra.com/MORENEWS or enter code MORENEWS to get 15% off your first order. MERCH: https://shop.somemorenews.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/

Hello and welcome back to Even More News. My vibes are up and my name is Katie Stoll. Oh hey Katie, my vibes are up Stoll. How's it going? My vibes are also up. Your name please? Cody Johnston. I thought so. Hi, friends. And guess what? Jonathan's also here.

Jonathan's also here. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm here. Oh, wuga. Hi, Jonathan. My vibes are through the roof, as always. Your vibes are through the roof. My vibes are going to peak right before the ad break, I bet.

We're gonna go up and plateau and maybe, maybe, we'll see. We'll see, it remains to be seen. Hair is dirty, but I'm here, I'm awake-ish. Boy, oh boy, we watched Donald Trump's news conference, thinking there might be something interesting nugget for us to share with you guys, but I don't know that there was. I think it was deeply boring.

Deeply boring, I yawned several times. Really boring, which isn't to say that like, oh, I want him to be like the wild man, you know? The entertaining version is also like, well, this sucks too. Just revisiting all the phrases, like, I'm like, oh, my goodness, expand your vocabulary a little bit. Your turn's a phrase. Though the biggest crowds in history and she's nasty and you've never, look at the photos.

You can see that my crowd sizes are bigger than anybody's ever had in the history of the world. Please come up with some new phrases. Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's the, what I think a lot of people are gathering from it. It's like, yeah, low energy, kinda just going through the motions. He got like upset once, cause someone asked him. Said that was a stupid question?

He said that was a stupid question, and then it went, I mean, the highlight to me, if there even is a highlight, because he's boring and a liar the whole time, was when he was asked about how he thought it's unconstitutional that Biden stepped down and Congress is replacement. And he was asked to give, I think the specific wording was, the constitutional analysis.

And then he just rambled for a while about how like they were unfair and he had to step down and they weren't going to. And then he said they had to do the hard way. And he sort of like tells the story of like what happened. And he's like, and seems unconstitutional. That's his analysis. It seems unconstitutional. Solid. That guy should be the president. That's his analysis. It seems unconstitutional. Solid. That guy should be the president.

He said a couple things. Tim Walz is big into the transgender world, he said. He said if Kamala Harris becomes president, the country will be a big fail. He did say that. He said it would be a big fail. He said he's doing great with black males and with Hispanic That's how he said it. I did miss that. I did miss that. And white men. Maybe not so much with black women, but

And big up. He's up big with white men. White men through the roof. Through the roof. Through the roof. White men through the roof. Anyway, we watched it to tell you that you don't need to. Yeah, it's stupid. But he didn't step down. He didn't step down.

Holidays. We got him. And this one's great. I mean it's not, but it's timely for us. Friday August 9th, National Veep Day, not the show, the position. Jonathan has included some interesting VP fat. 14 vice presidents have become president. Soon to be 16? We'll see. Five of those ran for president after being VP in one. Eight became

president after the death of a president. And the other is Gerald Ford, who's the only president never to have been elected to either VP or President and took the job after Nixon resigned. Now is that unconstitutional? It was unconstitutional in a sense. It seems like it. That's a fewer vice presidents than one might assume or think. Yeah, sure. Congratulations to one of our future vice presidents, either the most normal man in America or Local entourage fan JT fans

And then this is fun today the day that we're recording which is Thursday, August 8th Mm-hmm is the 20th anniversary of the day But the Dave Matthews band tour bus dumped 800 pounds of shit. Human waste, shit, being a part of that, on a passing boat while crossing the Kinsey Street Bridge. Well, I mean, it was a difficult situation and a difficult time. Wait a minute, this is a detail I wasn't aware of.

I need to say my Dave Matthews pun, Katie, I'm sorry. Oh, before I say this fun part. Say the fun part, I'm sorry. Wait, I want you to say it, but I think everybody needs to know this tidbit, which is that about- I understand, I understand. I interrupted you, I'm sorry. Two thirds of the passengers on Chicago's Little Lady

were covered in shit. Dave Matthews' shit. Wait, what were you gonna say? Ah, I forget, it doesn't matter. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry, because I I forget. It doesn't matter. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry because I interrupted you when you were saying it. No, I'm sorry. Cody has so much to say, Katie.

Will you let him speak? I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. We're all so sorry. What would you say, Cody? What would you say? Did you do that on purpose? I was just saying that it was a difficult situation

in a difficult time. It's a typical situation joke for everybody. But did you do what would you say on purpose, Jonathan? Yes, and so much to say, and I've got about 20 of them written down. I was going to say, you've got it all ready for it. I hope there wasn't blood in the water. Mm.

There's blood in the water. I hope there wasn't blood in the water. There's shit in the water. Listen, that was a cheap tour. They were on those people. You pay for what you get, you know? Well, I think it's time we crush this show. Yeah, we talk too much.

Too much! Sorry. All right. We're just ants marching in a line. I mean, aren't we, though? Aren't we all just ants marching? Aren't we all? I mean, isn't that what the song is all about?

We're just going to make the best of what's around. Chain you and me, have a better time. All right. In a way, we celebrated Dave Matthews band by doing that bit for like five minutes. Yeah. When it could be a lot shorter. Yeah. Maybe we didn't need to jam on that for so long.

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Personally, very thrilled. I think a lot of us are. I did ask for someone charismatic and fun and we got it. Yeah, he is that. It's good to have a normal person be up there to contrast the less normal people. I generally, obviously like, yeah,

he's got some dad, grandpa vibes. I tend to try to avoid that talk because I think that it's so easy to like want like a politician like Dems and Republicans do this too. But like, oh, he reminds me of like this familial figure in my life. Like, no, no, no, they're a politician. You can't let that like connection happen too much. But he does have those vibes. It's nice to see him be a good dad and like normal music and just be a guy. I think the reporting is that Kamala just clicked with him.

And it felt very much like he was like, I'm ready to go. I'll do whatever I can to support. And they picked the anti JD Vance the anti yeah, yeah, they picked the anti Vance the anti JD yeah, because JD Vance has a bunch of ideas that many conservatives like but he Can't appear normal, especially now that everyone's saying he's not normal. So he's having a hard time saying I like beer and stuff. Whereas Tim Walz seems to effortlessly convey he's like, I'm normal. I'm a family guy. Here's my story. And I do a lot

of stuff that you're gonna like. Maybe not all. There's something about politicians generally, and we we see them a lot. And they're all fucking lawyers. They all went to Yale or Harvard, and have like a track, right? Like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this. And like JD Vance, he was six months in the Marines for like PR or whatever. Buttigieg, the Buttigiegian sort of approach.

He was in the Marines for four years, but yeah, he did a six month. I don't want to dismiss all that, but there is a sort of clear politician sort of thing where like, oh, I do this for a while, and then I do this, and I do this, and then I make sure I do my lawyer stuff, I do my think, oh, I do this for a while and then I do this and I do this and I make sure I do my lawyer stuff. I do my think tank stuff. I do my military stuff to become a politician and from what I can

gather. Walls was a guy and he was a teacher, a family of teachers, all of his siblings except for one like our teachers married to teachers he was just a teacher and a coach and his students convinced him to run for office he wasn't like I'm gonna do this I'm gonna be a teacher for 20 years and I'm gonna do this and then like he's not No, he's not perfect. And I don't want to lift him up. He's like, oh, save us, Grandpa Dad.

But it is refreshing to see a normal, joyful man who has a seemingly normal relationship with his kids and his wife and everybody in his community. We talked about this a little bit last week or week before. If you're a teacher and a coach, like your job is to be normal and talk to everybody, not like I'm gonna schmooze with this person, I'm gonna like be a Republican or like a thing.

You have to have teachers and students and parents all trust and like you. And he is able to do that really well. And it's just refreshing to see a guy. I agree with you completely. Yeah. And just like an affable white man being very casual about like, yeah, of course, for me, it feels very refreshing to see somebody pretty, maybe not wholeheartedly, but embracing progressive ideas.

There's a sense that he is, you know, like you're saying, like he's just a affable white man who's like, seems to be like joyful. And again, we'll go through his record and stuff and I would love to hear what this campaign plans on doing on a lot of issues. Right, that's still a big question mark. But all the issues that he has embraced over the years,

he seems to be very able and willing to talk about them in a normal way, in a way that people can hear like, oh yeah, that's just like how we talk. Like that's, uh, he's not trying to force, like we got a progressivism or like socialism is like this, this, he's not, he's just like, yeah, I think it's taking care of your neighbors. I think it's being neighborly. It's the decent thing to do. Yeah. There's a way he communicates a lot of these issues that makes the opposition seem weird. Um. And that's the contrast of him being able to talk about this stuff in a way that's like, yes, that's normal.

And then you see like JD Vance be asked, like what makes you smile? He's like, I'm mad about everything. Like the contrast is very effective. Yeah, conservatives for years have been able to argue that they're the party of like common sense. Let's just do what the common sense thing is. The things that these wonks over on the other side wanna do

are like weird and convoluted. And Tim Walz is able to articulate those things and say, actually it is common sense to feed the kids. Here's why, right? Yeah, the simplest thing, like yeah, it's good for kids to be nutri, nut, nut, nourished. So, nutriented, no,, nourished is the word I was

searching for. Okay I want to go through a little bit of his biography. We have touched on some of it but I'm gonna run through this really quick. Born in West Point, Nebraska, April 6, 1964. We said join the Army National Guard. Then he works in manufacturing, building tanning beds. And eventually in his early 30s, moved to Minnesota, became a high school social studies teacher and football coach. This is fun.

The coach that he took over had been winless for several years. And then with him as defensive coordinator, they went on to win state championship three years later. I might interject everyone as well to the narrative that's forming against some of this stuff. on to win state championship three years later. I might I might like interject everyone as well to like the the narrative that's like forming against some of this stuff. Yeah. A lot of stuff you're saying, like people like, well, actually,

like even literally the him like as a defensive coordinator, I've saw today like he wasn't a coach. He was an assistant coach. Whatever. Yeah, he was an assistant. He was not the head coach of the team. Just sort of like point, it's fun to sort of like see all these nice things and then point out like, yeah, and they're freaking out.

The way they're trying to spin it. Yeah, I think that's interesting. All of this should paint a picture of someone that's fairly difficult to tarnish their reputation so far. Look, we're at the beginning here. Let's wait to see if something comes out. But I would be surprised if something terrible, terrible came out.

Okay, same year as the football stuff, he became the faculty advisor to the first Gay-Straight Alliance at Mankato West High School. And then according to Waltz, he became involved in politics after he took a group of students to see a George W. Bush rally and one of his

students was questioned by security for having a John Kerry sticker, which is lame. And then after that, he volunteered with the Kerry campaign and decided to run for Congress. Very heartwarming to me. Saw his students have a situation and let that be a moment, you know? Yeah, I mean, again, like that's the thing of like- His students encouraged him to, wanted him to, and that was the impetus. Yeah, he wasn't like, I'm gonna go to Yale,

I'm gonna work in McKinsey, and then I'm gonna become a congressman, and then I'm gonna, no, he's just like a guy living his life. He ran in what was thought to be a red-leaning, independent district, but defeated seven-term incumbent Republican Gil Gutznitz, which I, assuming I'm pronouncing right, but I don't care, because he's not here.

Sorry, Gil. He's not. But he won by focusing on opposing the Iraq War and advocacy for veterans. And then he was re-elected five times, which is pretty wonderful. Interesting, he was known to be pretty moderate, but he has voted for progressive things in Congress,

raising the minimum wage, approving stem cell research, allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, the ACA. He was anti-bailout in 2007-08. He did also vote for bills that required that new spending not be added to the deficit. So there's that. Ran for governor of Minnesota, beat a Republican challenger in 2018. that new spending not be added to the deficit. So there's that. Ran for governor of Minnesota, beat a Republican challenger in 2018.

And I love this. He owns no stocks, bonds, or real estate. He and his wife, Gwen, sold their house for $315,000, which I believe, this is not in front of me, but I heard yesterday, was under the asking price. They sold under the asking price to someone. He makes $127,000 a year and was eligible for a raise to $150,000 last year and he chose not to take it. Who is this person? Who is this person? This is another thing where it's trying to be framed like,

well, this just means he's bad with money and shouldn't be elected to office. I disagree with that take, but I think it is funny that like, no, these are, are you mad that Nancy Pelosi like buys all these stocks or do you want... Or not. Or not.

Like again, it's just sort of speaks to him being like a normal person. Or it shows him, I don't know, good with money. He's not desperate for money. Well, they also have two or three pensions. So it's not like they're not set and going to be, you know. Yeah, they just don't have a 401k. They've got teacher and various administrator.

Because his wife was an educator and an administrator. Anyway, they've got pensions. Yeah, exactly. It's refreshing to me. That far more reflects the average American than most politicians, every politician. It's truly refreshing in my opinion, somebody that's not motivated by money. I feel more confident than- Some examples rejecting it.

And straight up rejecting it, yeah. And it's really hard to see that in our society. Maybe it was different before, but right now everyone's focused on how much you can make terrified of the future, trying to stockpile your acorns to the point where you've got more than you need. And it's, you know, fucked up. It's just a refreshing.

Again, we'll talk about issues and policy stuff and so on. And he's still a politician. But it's refreshing to see so many normal things and relatable things and just like on the personality level and like integrity level in a lot of aspects. It's nice to see that. Jonathan, explain to me the Sgarofalo curve thing. Oh, Janine Garofalo was born on, this is a tweet from Zach Schoenfeld, or Schoenfeld, sorry, I don't know how to pronounce it.

Janine Garofalo was born on September 28th, 1964. So the Garofalo curve would be, if you're older than her, you're a boomer. If you're younger than her, you're a Gen if you're younger than her you're a gen xer tim wals is a few months Older and kamala harris is a few weeks younger. So it by this metric. Okay, tim wals is a boomer and kamala harris is a Okay, I accept that that checks out in my mind. It's similar to the lord curve for Millennials in Gen Z lord was born November 1996. So if you're older than you're a millennial if you're Millennials and Gen Z. Lord was born November 1996. So if you're older than a millennial, if you're younger, you're Gen Z.

I'm right on the cuss. No, I'm not. You don't look a day older than Lord. But I guess to some people that's an insult because people think Lord is 40. Sorry. Oh, do they? I don't know. Cut that.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. No, leave it in. Leave't know. Cut that. I'm sorry. Wild. I didn't mean that. No, leave it in. Leave it in. Let the people see your truths, Jonathan. Uh-uh.

How are Republicans taking this? Well. Well, they're attacking him for various reasons. Not sure if any of these will stick. Happy to go through them. JD Vance said that he let rioters quote burn down the streets of Minneapolis in 2020 during the George Floyd protests. This is because he waited 18 hours to call in the National Guard after Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey requested assistance, but he did call in the National Guard something he was praised by

President Trump at the time for doing. There's a recording you can listen to of Trump saying, I fully agree with the way he handled it. I was very happy the last couple of days, Tim. You called up big numbers and the big numbers knocked them out so fast. It was like bowling pins. God, see, here's the thing about some of this stuff. Like, and this is the problem with a lot of these,

like, criticisms where it's like, there's like this split GOP were like they're they're criticizing him for things that like arc like They're framing them like they're bad and then The other half is framing them like they're kind of good But then the counterpoint is also framed like it's bad and there's also a counterpoint That's like it's bad. And there's also a counterpoint that's like it's good. But like I like it's not great that Donald Trump praised this guy

for calling in big numbers and knocking them out. Like that's he's praising him for like the shit out of people like you know like that sucks. And that's the kind of like the tension with it's always been the tension with like the Democratic Party generally. And the fact that Trump just sort of like praises whoever he's talking to at the time if they're like kind of like doing what he wants.

But the fact that we now we have like audio of Trump being like, oh, you beat the shit out of him. Good job. And then Kamala's HQ is like, look, look at this. There's tension there and there's contradiction there. And it's not great. Yeah, not a great feeling. But it also speaks to like, well, they can't do this. Like they have nothing like the GOP are like struggling for this for similar reasons. But I don't know. I hate it.

Let's see. What else? J.D. Vance is attacking. Walz's military record. There's this thing about when did he quit the national guard? It's pretty clear that he had already started his congressional campaign before his unit was being deployed to Iraq. Before they got noticed. Yeah.

He's got, I mean, the timeline seems to be like he put in the paperwork, but also the paperwork has to be done beforehand too. So like they're months before, but. And he was in the National Guard for 24 years. And they- That's a long time. They're trying to get him on saying, oh, he's the stolen valor. He's pretending he was in a combat zone.

That's not really true. The closest clip I found is when he's talking about gun violence and he says we can make sure those weapons of war that I carried in war are only carried in war and it's Pretty clear that he's separating. He's like the weapons of war that I carried In war are only carried in war that he's not saying exactly what I thought right? Thank you. I we can um yeah no I saw that clip uh last night and I was like no he's saying in war they're only carried in war but they're using that of like oh you weren't in war yeah that's yeah and he's always been up front that he was never served in a combat zone he was never in the shit or anything like that they're gonna try to swift boat him I don't think it'll

work this seems like nothing to me what else they're criticizing him for making the couch joke at his introductory at the introductory rally with with him and Kamala Harris he said I was pretty mild yeah he said I can't wait to debate him referring to JD Vance that is if he's willing to get off the couch and show up huge laughter from the crowd and then he goes, see what I did there? He's a fucking dad joke guy. Yeah, this is such a hollow criticism. And he doesn't need to do that. We will do that.

Like, we're making the couch jokes. Yeah, sure. Clearly, it's getting to JD. The AP had to write a whole thing of like, no, he didn't do this. So he doesn't need to do this. People are obviously blowing it up because they don't really have much. And Donald Trump calls them demonic pedophiles. So I don't know what you want from this like really mild reference.

That also is phrased in a way that if you don't know what it's about it just sounds like a guy talking. That's why it worked because if he's willing to get up off the couch implies that oh he's lazy or whatever. Are you mad that he implied that JD Vance is lazy? So it's just like kind of a silly distraction it seems. He probably won't do it again. He'll just keep calling him weird which he is.. It's certainly not, as Matt Walsh said, one of the dirtiest things I've ever seen a presidential campaign do. These people are pure evil. It's not even propagating misinformation, as some people are saying, because no one believes it. It's

not intended to be believed. Like I get it. Maybe it's a low blow because it's not true and it's clearly weighing on him. But yeah, it's a low blow. It's because they expect when they go high, when they go low, we go high. That's what they want from Democrats. And that time is over a little bit, not a whole lot, just a little bit. And they can't handle it. I think a mild joke referencing a meme that nobody believes is actually true.

Maybe some people do. I don't know. And responding to that with these people are pure evil, that seems more extreme. That seems like a dirty thing to say, that these people are pure evil. Like that's pretty intense. He said if he can get up off the couch,

if you know what I mean, that isn't very dirty at all. Well, I've also seen people sort of like try to frame it, like, well, this is like, it's just a dirty like mean joke. Like it's not even a standard like, oh, a mean thing that's like directionally accurate, like describing something about JD or whatever. It actually is. The joke works because JD Vance is the kind of weirdo. Like, yeah, he's got those vibes of some weird couch fucker, but nobody believes it's actually true. So the whole thing, I don't know,

the whole thing is weird and funny because also the reaction to it is to make up a much worse lie about Tim Walz about how he had to have his stomach pumped of horse semen, which is A, just like some joke. That's an extremely dirty thing to suggest. That's like a 20-year-old lazy joke that everybody kind of has heard in the past, and it doesn't work, and as many people are pointing out, this thing that you're trying to do, this

weird thing, that's weird. It's the weird thing that weird guys do of taking a simple joke and escalating it too far and not getting why the first one worked. There is more to be said, more to say. Tamp on Tim. First, these advertisements. Hi, it's Katie.

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be provided for free to menstruating students from fourth to twelfth grades and the text of the law doesn't say tampons must be available in boys bathrooms. It says menstruating students, so that's what the libs of TikToks of the world are latching onto. What a monster. What a monster. Tampon Tim. Tampon Tim. So that's what the libs of what talks of the world are latching on to Monster yeah, what a monster tampon tampons to those who need it They also are talking about how this was an anti-semitic choice because we passed up Josh Shapiro and I want to bring touch on that. Yeah It's an absurd claim. It's an absurd claim, especially when Harris is married to a Jewish man. Well, she caved to the far left.

Caved to the far left. She loves the far left. But I think that what obviously I think that most of our listeners are aware of the problematic nature of Shapiro and some of the things that he has said, but there are lots of reasons he wasn't picked. And yes, the left certainly was vocal about their issues, but why aren't, isn't anybody paying attention to the blatant murder that he allowed to be ruled as suicide. I granted he wasn't AG when this first happened, but he has connections to this family.

And I mean, it is. It's odd. Shocking and terrible. You can't have that as your candidate. You just cannot. It would have been a thing. It probably still should be a thing. It should still be a thing. Let's talk about it. Let's. It would have been a thing. It probably still should be a thing. It should still be a thing.

Let's talk about it. Let's not forget that this is a thing. Not to mention the fact that he settled like what a sexual harassment claim within a couple years in his office. Please. Yeah, there were just like these sort of real issues that would have been ballooned and like would have, you know, I think we may have talked about this, of just sort of like, you have Kamal Harris up there against this sexual predator, Donald Trump,

and having this other guy, buyer, kind of dilutes that for people, I think. And this is besides the point, but I really do think the Obama impression would have been grading on people right out It's weird. It is weird. It's so weird. Listen to him talk at length or even at the rally where Josh Shapiro spoke before Kamala Harris and Tim Walz came out. It's striking how much he sounds like Obama, and maybe it's not intentional.

Maybe it's just how he talks. But the cadence is there such that it seems like he studied it Yeah, it's what if I just know like two days in we like God stop talking like Obama and so that's I think just like a side thing, but yeah, there are other issues and we can get in the nitpicky like the quote about KKK and the protesters like there's so much back and forth trying to like dissect that quote and be like,

it's actually, he was actually meaning this. He meant these people. And we've talked about this at length, but a lot of the ways that the protesters are talked about, it conflates all of them. It's talking about all of them, even if you like think that you're just like, oh, just the anti-Semitic ones.

He was talking, even in that quote quote talked about how like they weren't letting Jewish students to class. That's not what was going on. We've talked about this before, too. So like even the sort of way people are trying to frame it, like he just met these anti-Semitic students, that doesn't fly either personally. But it's not anti-Semitism that did it. And even we didn't even talk about him or anyone else. All we did was say it should be Tim Walz.

And this is tangential to that. We don't know what a Harris administration would actually look like. We've got our best guesses. We will know more after the convention. Obviously top of mind for a lot of us is Israel-Palestine. And this seems like a good pivot. Well, because before Biden dropped out, there was some leaks to the media, not even leaks.

There were quotes from former Biden advisors who said, we think Kamala will be better on this issue for progressives. She is not as hardline on this. She doesn't have the connection with Netanyahu. You know, she doesn't want to get bogged down in a thing. Now, does that mean she's for an arms embargo? I don't know. The issue is she's still the vice president and can't publicly break from Biden's policy. So she has called for what he's called for, a temporary ceasefire, not a permanent one. She called it a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in Gaza. She met with members of the uncommitted campaign before her rally yesterday in Detroit and said she'd be open to an arms embargo with Israel and she connected the-

Open to a meeting about an arms embargo. Sorry, yes, open to a meeting about an arms embargo and connected the members of uncommitted to her staff. But then there were pro-Palestine protesters at her rally and she was kind of nice the first time and said, okay, this is democracy, every voice needs to be heard, but I'm speaking now. And then they kept going. And she said, if you want Donald Trump to win,

say that otherwise I'm speaking, which I don't think was a helpful way to do it. I understand politically this is very tricky, but I think she needs to have a better answer for that, because this is going to keep happening. It's going to happen at the DNC. Yes. What do you guys think? Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I agree that it is like it's a tough situation.

It's frustrating that we can't have moral clarity on this issue from our leaders. And it has to be this sort of like, well, maybe she's open to this. She's open to this. The arms embargo is because the UN ruled that it's an apartheid and they're asking for this. Like they're saying, like this is something all nations should be doing. So there's still a lot of framing that like I find kind of like off-putting and I understand

the situation she's in and they're like, well, you don't wanna like, it's a bad look for protesters. And then you have people like, why aren't they protesting Trump? Well, that's not going to work. But then also there's this idea of like, well, if you do that, then maybe you'll garner more sympathy from people because you have this sort of like, you know, like negative polarization of like, oh, well, Trump is like being bad to these protesters. Therefore, I'm going to get more on board. I think that sucks that that even has to happen.

Like her reaction does seem like she knew she was gonna say something like that. And anything, any framing is like, if you want Trump to win, I just think that sucks, it's a bad reaction. There's a better way to do it that she can like wiggle through it. But it just, it's very disheartening to see

some of the reaction to it because the whole, why do they protest Trump? That's just because you don't like that they're protesting at all. From all the people that are pushing back on this, I don't get the vibe that they care about this. Yeah, it was a very dismissive way to handle an extremely important topic

that a lot of her voters care about. And I guess maybe they're running on a gamble of people, we all know Trump would be worse and running on that. And I don't like it because I want clarity on where you stand and what we're going to do. And what I was going to say anecdotally is, so there is somebody up here whose mother is Israeli, and she was in town this past weekend, and she's pretty conservative. I really respect this person. She's calm and measured, but she's definitely financially conservative, and she's Israeli. And she was saying, this has to stop, has to stop.

That the people that caused the problems and you know, October 7th, aren't even the people being targeted. They're not even there. Like these are innocent people being slaughtered. And what that made me think about is actually, I think that you can be pretty bold. I don't know, maybe it's not as complicated politically

as we are making it seem. That I think even people that are pro-Israel are horrified at the carnage. And there are certainly hardliners who are gonna twist it and make it seem. But that is that really who you wanna cater to. When the vast majority of people are horrified at what's happening, even people that, I mean,

this person grew up in Israel and had family members murdered on October 7th, literally murdered on October 7th. So if you're hearing that from someone of this demographic, then just imagine how far a bold, clear message on this would go. I, it kind of changed. And again, anecdotal, I'm a full of anecdotes. It's not for everybody, but it just started making me think that actually there's a real opportunity here to distinguish yourself from Donald Trump.

And you have to be bold. And something about this, I mean, the pick of having Tim Walz who, yeah, is maybe not as progressive as a lot of us, but certainly has done a lot of progressive things, that's bold too. Yeah, and can communicate these things. This could be an opportunity to make real headway for progressive issues is,

I guess what I'm saying. Absolutely. And like some, like some of, and well, some of the resistance to like, uh, the resistance, the resistance to this approach and just like this, this issue being a problem, all the people who were like, shut up, you don't, you like, oh, you, uh, you complained about Biden and then you're still complaining. And then you asked for walls and she did that. Now you're still complaining.

That's I find like nobody made a deal. There wasn't like a deal that was signed of like, well, if you do this, then we're going to not criticize our leaders when there is this issue that is a very clear moral issue. And a lot of the people pushing back on this and being like, well, don't do this, don't do this. They're the same people who were saying that, oh, you're a wrecker for asking Biden to step down, or you want Trump to win because you're asking Biden to step down. Then what happened? Then they got on board. All the liars who were like, you can't do that because the deadline for the ballots is over. Those were lies and those people are like,

ah, all in for Kamala. And then the same thing of like, oh, it shouldn't be walls because of this or this or this. As soon as it happened, oh yeah, we love this guy. Those people will change their mind about anything if the leader of the party says it. If Kamala came out and was like, Medicare for all, all these people would be like, what a great idea.

I've always loved that idea. Like that is a category of person in the Democratic Party. And so whenever they push back on stuff like this, I'm like, you don't care. You'll you'll change your mind. You'll change your mind immediately. Speaking of that, though, I think has Karla walked back from supporting Medicare for All? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, well that's fun.

Well that's the thing too, and the relief that people felt, I think, with a lot of, because I'm concerned she's not gonna be as pro-union as Biden. There's reporting from fucking LinkedIn CEOs and stuff about, oh yeah, we should get rid of Lena Conn and stuff. They're who knows? We don't know. That's what we want to hear from her.

I think right now, if Trump's capable of pivoting, I think we just watched he's not really capable of doing that. But a Republican campaign, a normal Republican campaign at this point, would point out how Kamala Harris hasn't talked to the media. She's not making herself open. She's not saying what any of her positions are. And she's clearly flip-flopped from some of the progressive stuff she said in 2020. And I think all that is fair. And I just think we're in the realm of the double standard because it's being compared to the other campaign, which is a lot of unhinged nonsense and no clear positions. It's whatever he says at whatever moment.

So I think it's fair for us to hold Kamala Harris accountable in that respect and say, hey, make your case to us. Like she knows we're gonna vote, everyone's gonna vote for her, but like make your case to us? Like she knows everyone's gonna vote for but like make your case to us. What are you gonna do? Yes, because then we can be more vocally supportive if she came out like, yeah, obviously, arms embargo should be on the table because the UN, like, acknowledged that it's an apartheid, like, we need to do this and this and this. What I was gonna say, there are all these sort of things that are question marks and indications that like, OK, maybe she's probably going to be worse on stuff and better on stuff. We don't know. But the relief that everyone's like, oh, but you were you were happy about walls and now you're complaining.

Oh, you were happy that Biden stepped down. Now you're complaining. Yeah. All of that was about how we were going to lose. Like it was because Joe Biden is incapable, maybe not. I don't know. Seemed incapable of winning the election. And the fact that there's a person up there who does seem more joyful, who does seem fun and like a real person and can articulate these things, that is a good sign.

The fact that they were like, the GOP started floundering and had to send out memos to stop being racist about this woman. And then two days later, he was in this interview with black journalists and he's like, actually, it's okay, go be racist. Like they can't do this. And so the relief came from, oh my God,

it might be possible to see Donald Trump, even though that shouldn't from oh my god it might be possible to see Donald Trump even though that shouldn't be a concern it should be easy to do that and same thing with walls walls is a perfect candidate to JD Vance this freak counterpoint to Donald Trump too yes exactly and even like the IDF stuff like what he talked about it's amazing to hear him talk about that stuff like that's why he named his daughter Hope. I didn't know that. What a great story. You mean IVF. IVF. I'm so sorry. Oh God. Talking about a lot of things.

He did that in our meeting the other day. God, I'll get better at that. Talking about IVF. IVF. I love the IDF. That's why I named my daughter Hope. I love the IDF. Why hasn't anybody vetted him? My point just generally is like there are these question marks about her as a candidate and as a president and to be like well but she made you happy by the Biden step down. Yeah we can win. It's good to still like ask these

questions and and want these things to happen. You can say the protests are counterproductive. I don't know, I don't necessarily agree with that because it's good to highlight these issues and disrupt these events until she makes her position clear. And both things can be true. Like we can be relieved in what we're way happier than we were a month ago for sure. But also like, hey, we think you can make a really strong case

to the center, the center left, and progressives. Let's do it. And I'm sure we'll get clarity on that at the DMC and afterwards. There's going to be an issues page on her website that is not there right now, of course. But she's listening, and so we might as well tell her. That's the hope. Open to the meetings and all that kind of stuff. It's just, I, the, if you want Trump to win, keep talking is like really not a great response. And I really hope she recalibrates and is able to even just like, I, you know, I, obviously, I sympathize with this, and I'm listening and we're trying, we're working on it. We're trying to figure out how like, you know, I obviously sympathize with this and I'm listening

and we're working on it. We're trying to figure out how to, you know, something. Anything but that. But it's not like, it's not like, oh, she lost the election now. No, she didn't. That's not what happened. I get it. This is a tricky thing to handle and to talk about.

I mean, I understand that element of it and that this is a tight rope that they're walking. I think that there is room to be much bolder and clearer, clearer. She's plenty bold. Let's end on a fun note about another presidential candidate that we just haven't been giving enough attention to. He's at 6%. RFK Jr. killed a bear, y'all.

Yeah, he did. Or Pig got found a bear. But. Junior killed a bear, y'all. Yeah, he did. Or Pig got found a bear. But he fucking killed that bear. Well, probably not. He probably killed the black bear. You don't think so? Probably not. I believe him.

I believe the story. The story's... Do you believe that story? I don't. Why would he be driving all over that town with a fucking bear in his truck and then go To dinner and then back to Central Park even though he has to catch an air plane

He thought he'd have time to skin the bear and then put the meat in his fridge in Westchester and then realized I don't Have time between this dinner at Peter Luger steakhouse and get into the airport that sounds like bullshit to me If you somehow don't know what we're talking about Stinky stinky bullshit. Okay, tell the story. If you somehow don't know what we're talking about. All of it's stinky stinky bullshit. Okay tell the story. If you somehow don't know what we're talking about, RFK Jr put a three minute video on twitter with the text looking forward to seeing how you spin this one New Yorker and the video is RFK Jr talking to Roseanne, that Roseanne. Unreal. Who doesn't speak she just like is reacting and there's reaction shots of her in this video it's a bizarre video. She's very blonde now. And

he says 10 years ago I was going out falconing with some people we had a great day and I was driving Up in near Goshen, New York, and I saw a car hit a bear cub So I pulled over to put the bear cub in my trunk because I was gonna skin the bear and put the meat in my fridge Which is legal to New York. That's what I do But then the falconing went late We had such a good time and then I had to go to a dinner at Peter Luger's Steakhouse, which is in Brooklyn, right? And then I had to get to the airport,

and I was like, shit, I don't have time to put this bear in my fridge. I gotta do something with this bear. I can't leave it in my car for a week or whatever for wherever I'm going. So as a bit- I'm sorry, how long does it take to skin a bear? A long time, I would imagine.

A long time, yeah. So he's like, as a- You don't just- So as a time, I would imagine. A long time. So he's like, as a... You don't just... So as a lar... Sorry. I'm gonna... Because me and my friends who were drinking, I wasn't drinking, they were drinking, at Peter Luger Steakhouse said we should...

So I listened to them. We should go to Central Park and leave the bear with a bike on it to make it look like the bike hit it. And he did. And then the police find this and it becomes a new story. But didn't it have stab wounds in it? Yes, the police say the bear had stab wounds. He didn't mention that. That was left out of the story.

Smashing stab wounds. Did have stab wounds. Maybe he killed the stabbed the bear that wasn't quite dead. Maybe. Maybe he tried to skin it, but is really bad at it. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. And you can check out, I was just on Behind the Bastards

talking about RFK Jr. for three or four episodes. I don't even remember. He is kind of a freak about dead animals and rotting meat. And that's just the truth. Lot of reporting about that, a lot of stories he's told. Loves roadkill. A lot of stories that have been told about it. He had this hawk, he's really into hawking.

It's interesting, all canadies are kind of just fucked up, it's sad. What a sad family. Don't go out, don't strive for wealth and power, it'll ruin your family. They say Macbeth at a theater or something at some point, I don't know family. Did they say Macbeth at a theater or something at some point? I don't know.

Wait, he said Macbeth at a theater and that's what ruined his life? I'm asking if one of, no, I'm asking if one of the Kennedy's at some point said Macbeth in a theater. It was not a good joke. I think maybe it was the strive for power and wealth. That would be. I don't know, I think that mine makes more sense.

Miraculous. But it's just tragic. Every step of the story that he told, I sure, the beginning of the story, maybe somebody hit a bear and he took the bear, but the beginning of the story could also be he killed a bear. And they were hawking, he killed a bear a bear put in his van because he thought he like then every step of the way every part of that story beyond that is like, yeah, then he did that. No, it isn't.

No, it isn't. Why would you drive with a bear body in your car to a restaurant? He's got like a rotting meat man. He's got a giant fridge. Why would you brand this to piles of rotting meat to freak to freak him out? Like he's just got a weird, he's got a very weird relationship with animals

and particularly rotting dead animals. Some of it's good. He's very interested in animals and can like pick up a lizard and be like, look, this is the way, this is the name of this lizard. The way he describes it is, and then I was at dinner and I was like,

oh no, I have a flight to catch. I better drop off this bear. What are you talking, that's bullshit. You just forget you had a flight to catch. I better drop off this bear. What are you talking? That's bullshit You just forget you had a flight to catch. Also Jonathan. You didn't say you're my favorite detail in this I'm gonna read what he wrote Then he said he had to go to the airport But he then drove back to Manhattan to dump the bear off before presumably going back over the bridge to get to JFK an Airport named after his uncle.

It seems like a lot of driving. I just made me laugh when I read it. Like dump it in a park in Brooklyn? If Peter Luper's steakhouse is indeed only in Brooklyn and not Manhattan, I don't know. This is a West Coast biased show. Also, you don't drive that. It is full of traffic. Even whenever this happened 10 years ago, very difficult to get from point A to point B quickly.

You're not driving all over like that. I don't know what that voice was. The whole thing is extremely weird. Anyway. I don't trust him, I don't trust the guy. And the bear was like, no, don't crash into me. And then still, what are the stab wounds? And then just to set it, put a bike on top.

And then in hindsight, there's all these news reports about mysterious bear found dead. One of which was written by your cousin's daughter in the New York Times. Wild, it's wild. How would a bike kill a bear? Well, right. He tells the story in a way where it's like, I thought it would be funny to make people

think the bike killed the bear because there were bike accidents around the time in New York. But then the police were like, well, clearly this bear got hit by a car. Look at these. Look at what happened. Did he say where they got the bike? I can't recall. He said it was an old bike he was trying to get rid of. So it was like a Two Birds.

That he happened to have with him in his meat van? Two Bears with one bike was to, yeah. Well, no, this wasn't his meat van. Two Bears, one bike, viral video. He was driving his regular car, a Rolls or something. I don't know. His Aston Martin. And he keeps his bike that he wants to get rid of

in his Aston Martin. Yeah, sure. No, and his rotting meat van. Well, none of it makes sense. It's full of meat. I stand by it's all bullshit. Anyway, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation says he would have been subject to a $250 fine for dumping the bear, though the statute of limitations expired after one

year. That is too low of a number. $250 for killing a bear and leaving it in the central park? Allegedly killing a bear. You're alleging that he killed a bear. Yes, you are alleging that he's killed a bear. You're alleging that he killed a bear. But whatever, he did it.

He left the bear there. He's now touched the bear. He's now involved in the killing of the bear one now touched the bear. He's now put he's now involved in the killing of the bear one way or the other. He tried to cut it up or he stabbed it for some reason. So you know, $250. Seems a little low. It seems very low. Anyway, what a fun way to end our show. In full disagreement. Full disagree with you, absolutely. I disagree with you in totality. We need mugs that say I disagree with you in totality.

And then on the back of the mug it says, but only about the RFK bear story. Oh, yeah, only about the RFK bear story. Everything else on the same page. Just programming note, we're off next week because long time listeners of this show, viewers, supporters would know maybe that Cody and I were born 12 hours apart.

So we share a birthday week, almost a birthday day, but technically different date. Almost, yeah. And we are taking the entire week off. It's break time. It's break time. It's break time. Somebody replied to our recent Jordan Peterson video on Twitter, X.com, whatever, that we

deserve a break after that. Thanks for saying so. We're going to take one. It was planned, but we won't be filming or releasing. We will be returning to our programming schedule the following week. Part two of the Jordan Peterson episode will come out and we'll get back to normal.

But that's the news. Hey, we got to end this. I got to go number 41. There we go. Come on. Come on. Hey, Cody, where are you going for vacation? It's OK.

I know and you don't. All right, we got to end this. Yeah, I don't know. We got things to do. I know. It's a surprise. Everybody knows what's going on. I'm so excited.

Cody's got a surprise birthday trip coming up and all of us know, but he doesn't know. That's why I asked him, where are you going? Stay for a while. You know what that bear should have said? I don't know. You know what that bear should have said to RFK Jr.? Don't crash into me. Don't crash into me.

I said that five minutes ago. Nobody heard me. I wasn't listening properly. I know. I'm sorry, but. It's fine, I probably talked over you. Open your meat van a little more. Okay guys. And put the bear inside oh we just found ourselves a viral clip for social

media oh we should take clips of this and put it on social media I guess we can talk about it later we can talk about why I stopped yeah- whatever, we can talk about it later. We can talk about why I stopped later. Yeah, well- Alright, we've arrived- I'm open to it, but- We've crashed into the end of this. Yeah, I've gotta offer a lot of grace, but soon my grace is gone. Alright, I don't know.

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