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Episode Date: June 7, 2024

Hi. On today's episode, Katy, Cody, and Jonathan try to piece together the ins and outs of the new ceasefire proposal. Plus, they discuss the impact of the Trump guilty verdict on the November election, Biden's interview in TIME, and Trump's lie that he never said Hillary Clinton should be locked up.  Babbel’s quick 10-minute lessons are hand-crafted by over 200 language experts to help you start speaking a new language in as little as 3 weeks. Here's a special, limited-time deal for our viewers. Right now get up to 60% off your Babbel subscription at https://babbel.com/MORENEWS.  Hungryroot is your partner in healthy living. It’s the easiest way to get fresh, high-quality groceries and simple, healthy recipes delivered to your door. Right now, Hungryroot is offering Some More News viewers 40% off your first delivery and free veggies for life at https://hungryroot.com/MORENEWS Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews Check out our MERCH STORE: https://shop.somemorenews.com SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA 0:00 - Intro and Holidays10

Hello and welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast. I believe you. Hi Katie Stoll. I spoke over your name when you spoke it. Yeah, I said it. I'm speaking over your name when you spoke it. Yeah, I said it. I'm speaking over your words as you're speaking to know, speaking over you now, too. This is how we're supposed to do it. We're supposed to speak over each other.

How long have we been doing this now? A day, apparently. Hi, I'm Cody Johnston. Hello. Welcome to the first and only. Welcome to the first and only. Jonathan's here. Also, also here. That's not the way I said it before.

Right. First and only Jonathan. John Jonathan is also here or Jonathan's here, too. We need to get it right for the eventual merch. Yeah. What was it? Jonathan Jonathan is also here. I think it's Jonathan is also here. Yeah, it's Jonathan is also here. He is here.

It's just a factual statement that we have to say. We're just being fessed. Once in a while. I just said- Jonathan's also here. I said no gassed, and I meant to say no guest. Just Jonathan. But not just Jonathan.

We get Jonathan here today with us. Oh, boy. OK, we've got some holidays. Holidays? To celebrate. Celebrating holidays. Yes. Gasp. June 7th. Great day. National VCR day. OK, I didn't jump the gun.

OK, yeah. Anyone still have a VCR? I do. Out there? You do? I know it's a it's a combo. It's a TV VCR combo. How often do you? It still works. I know it's a it's a combo. It's a TV VCR combo. How often do works? I don't use it often. I it's from when I had it back in my dorm in college. It's like perfect size.

You can carry it around. Plays VHS tapes. It was only for Old Simpsons episodes. But now what? You don't watch anything on it. You just have no. I mean, I mean, if I wanted to. Is it even plugged in? No. I believe we've used it as a prop for the show once. And I actually, I said like, it still works. I don't trust it. I won't call you a hoarder then. That's okay. Oh, no. It's so I'm not. I'm not a hoarder. It would be rude if I'd done that anyway. Thank you so much

for not being rude and doing that. When The Simpsons aired in like 1989, on the premiere episode of it, my parents, my dad was like, oh, I remember this from the Tasty Olmage Show. This is going to be a really big hit. And he just recorded it on IVHS. And from then on, we recorded the premiere airing of every episode of The Simpsons for like 10 years. Oh, so you have the original commercials to all those tapes.

Well, so we would pause and get rid of some of the commercials. So sometimes you'll hear it like like the it'll go to commercial me, Fox called hard facts. And then it like cuts away. So there's there are like little fun treats of like, oh, that old trailer from when it aired. Yeah, that's so much work to pause and restart every time we were. We were in it. We were like, we had to. Yeah.

Time for all of like how far we've come since then. I know that used to be the thing that we did. We used to record the things that you wanted to watch on TV. And then we watched them over and over and over again, because we had them at our fingertips. But I don't trust the VCR to not destroy them. So I'm trying to digitize those. Yeah, I'd like to do that.

It's fun. It is expensive to digitize VHS tapes. I did it recently because I had a bunch of tapes that I didn't even know it was on them. They were unlabeled and some were like priceless family heirlooms. And some were just like hard copy taped for some reason or whatever. And I paid to get that transferred. But the kids today won't know about the joy of HBO Preview Weekend, where you would just like tape all these movies. Oh, then you got the movies.

Exactly. I didn't know about that joy. We never had HBO in my household growing. We didn't have it. There was a preview weekend like like once every three months, where they'd be like, here's what HBO is like. Don't you want to subscribe? And we never did. But you would get a whole bunch of free movies that you could tape.

Never heard of this. That's how we got big on tape. So speaking of those. No one has the first three minutes of most of these movies. You miss them. And then you tape the rest. You're like, oh, I've got to get this. Speaking of pausing for the commercials and getting into the commercials, sometimes they're all miss them. Yeah. And then you tape the rest. You're like, oh, we've got to get this. Speaking of pausing for the commercials and getting to the commercials,

sometimes they're all of them. But for Big, my siblings and I are like a couple of years apart each. And my parents watching the tape of Big, I realized later on that there's that one scene where like she's in her bra and he like puts his hands up and like all like starts to like feel her up a little bit That's not on the tape because they didn't want us to see that It's very funny. Just like watching big and be like wait, why did it cut? It's like oh this like very tame bra scene I thought that was very funny. You could get away with a lot in a PG movie back in the day. Oh, yeah

Oh, yeah bras. Can't do that these days. Nowadays. Nowadays. No. Okay, we've got more holidays though. June 8th, National Outlet Shopping Day. Created by the National Day Calendar in partnership with the good folks at Simon Property Group. Okay. Good folks.

You know those good folks at Simon Property Group. The world's leading collection of luxury and fashion outlet destinations in North America. I was gonna say, I think that's a funny way to phrase it, like created by the National Day Calendar. No, no, no, it was created by the outlet stores and the National Day Calendar was like, okay. You'll pay us to put something on our website.

Yeah, certainly. You got it. Yeah. I will say that I enjoy an outlet shopping experience. Can you even imagine the deals? There's a lot of deals. It can be overwhelming because when you go to these outlet malls, it's like all the stores and all the things and all the deals at all the stores. There's a place nearby here ish, not nearby here, but it's in between where I am in the Bay Area. And my mom went to the outlet mall the last time she went to the Bay.

And she was like, we have to come back. We have to make this a whole thing where we rent a hotel and spend the day here. I mean, you can rent little like. Scooters because it's so big. Like, Mom, you rent the scooter. I'll get my steps in. Did she scream it out? You're just like, we have to go back, Katie.

No, it's a lost reference for any loss that's out there. Oh, really? Well, not everybody is aware of that. All right. Well, I was going to make it an impression of my mom telling me, but do it. We've lost the moment. No, it's OK. I'm sorry. We have to go.

You're ruining it again! You said you weren't gonna do it! I obviously was still moving my mouth! Love you guys. We've got news to talk about. But how are you guys? What's up? How you? How's it going? Weekend plans?

So good. Weekend plans. Weekend plans. I'm going to chill. I might actually do a little live stream in this weekend of some music. Sounds like you're locked into it now. I know. Announcing it on our show.

God, you're right. What day? Sunday? Oh, God. Sunday or Saturday. You should make a choice right now and or by the end of the show broadcast when I'll make a choice for listeners. If you want to know when Cody's live stream is happening, you're going to have to listen

to the end of the show. You gotta wait. Yeah. You now need to make a decision. I've already made the decision for the time and date and the length and everything we have to do, but I'm not going to say it until the end. I haven't made any of those decisions yet. No, but you're going to. Sure.

That sounds like a rock hard commitment to me. He said, sure, folks. Oh, well, Katie, what are you doing this weekend? Thank you for asking. I'm really obsessed with doing yard work right now. I know I've talked about that before. It's fun. Well, this is this.

So I'm getting all the pine needles up and it's very tedious, but it feels good when you do physical labor outside. That's what I meant by fun. I didn't mean like it's like a fun time. I mean, like I need to clean out my garage, go to the dump or have someone else do it because I have been doing a lot of art projects and now I kind of want to make it my little art studio so anyway, I'm gonna be likely doing a lot of that and

Excellent sure People are thrilled with that story. I told and actually an addendum Now that we are talking about work. There's a lot of visual effects. I have to do for this So stay tuned for that folks next week. Yeah, you do. At the end. There's a lot of stuff I gotta do for that, so. That's true, you signed up for it.

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OK, now we're going to throw to Jonathan, who is also here to transition us seamlessly into the news, which I'm sure is chill and fine this week. I don't want to see the seams. I'm delighted to do it. And we have a bunch of stories that all kind of blend together. So in our document, I've got like seven bullet points of all these different stories. And I was like, we might just have to bounce from one to the other

instead of saying, right now, we're going to talk about Joe Biden and never again for the rest of the show, because he's weaved himself into everything as has Donald Trump. That's what we're talking about. Always. I think the next five months is Joe Biden and Donald Trump and different things. Unfortunately, yeah, I think it's time. It's OK that that's happening. Like, I feel like there's a period a few months ago was like, we don't need to do this. But it's June. We're getting close to them actually officially being nominated. The election is actually going to exist soon. Yeah, it's time. It's fine to talk about. We've already been talking about it.

Yeah, let's let's weave some Biden and Trump into all of our conversations. What are these spry young candidates doing? Spry young guys that have completely different politics in all regards. Well, when it comes to being sarcastic, Joseph Robinette Biden, I wanted to try to piece together. Is it Robinette or Robinette? I've always said Robinette, but I don't know. Yeah, but they both sound like fake names.

I don't know. It doesn't matter. Robinette, Mr. Joseph R. Biden, as the New York Times would say, I wanted to try to piece together what's going on with this Israel ceasefire proposal that Biden first mentioned shortly after we recorded last week. So here's the timeline as far as I understand it. Joe Biden gave a speech detailing what he said was a new proposal from Israel for a permanent ceasefire that would end the war if Hamas agreed to it. The proposal would involve the return of hostages to Israel, the release of Palestinian prisoners,

the removal of all Israeli troops from Gaza, and new humanitarian aid getting into Gaza. This proposal is similar to what Hamas has proposed previously, though the White House continues to say that Hamas is the only obstacle to getting a deal done. Very quickly after Biden gave this speech, it became a little bit confusing as to whether this was in fact an Israeli proposal because Benjamin Netanyahu's office released a statement that said, proposal because Benjamin Netanyahu's office released a statement that said, quote, The prime minister authorized the negotiating team to present an outline for achieving a ceasefire while insisting that the war will not end until all of its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages and the elimination of Hamas's military and governmental capabilities.

Yeah. Okay. So. It's a little muddy already. It's muddy because also, I mean, we've, you know, there have been reports sent for months and months of like proposals being rejected, continuing to be rejected by Israel. Yes. In similar situations.

Yeah, it is all very muddy. I just note that Netanyahu's office does not say permanent ceasefire and does specify, you know, an impossible prerequisite of like that all goals are achieved that you've turned of all our hostages, a lot are dead because of the bombings, probably definitely elimination of I mean, like, well, we know that this is these kinds of targets, you're never going to eliminate every single last member of Hamas. You know, especially when they're creating new ones every day, creating new ones every day as well. This there's no anyway. So what's going

on, I think, is that Benjamin Netanyahu is in a bit of a spot and he wants to try to have things. Oh, yes, a pickle. He's trying to have things both ways because the ultra right wingers in his coalition are saying they're going to leave the coalition and blow up the government if he goes through with the deal. But he's also under pressure from the Biden administration to wrap things up and take a deal or else he's not going to get his weapons anymore. So there's three phases of this ceasefire proposal. And I think what Israel wants to do is go through the first part where they exchange some hostages and prisoners and then keep their bombing campaign going and keep the weapons flowing. They blew up a school today and killed dozens of people.

According to the New York Times, it's an ex school. Yes. School. The headline, I mean, they changed it, but they. Yeah. Originally, the headline was Israeli strike kills dozens at ex school where civilians were sheltering. OK, because it's no longer a school because what's been going on? It's a shelter. Yeah, it's a shelter. So like it's just a weird way like X school where civilians were sheltering is

called a shelter. But whatever. Continue, Jonathan. I'm sorry. That was the end of what I think is going on. He's playing a game. I said continue, Jonathan. I mean, I'll keep reading. If you want me to keep reading, we can just make this an audiobook. I mean, but so, Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't have any real incentive to end this war. He's gonna, he's deeply unpopular.

If he doesn't follow the hard line, I mean, like he'll be out of power, right? If he oh, yeah, the war is it's I mean, the war is the only reason, but it's like Trump running for president where it's like, well, if I don't win, then I'm going to prison. So not, you know, obviously not the same thing. But it does seem like there is that element of just like, yeah, if I if this war doesn't continue, then I'm out. And continuing the war is still very popular in Israel. There are just these external forces, ie. The Biden administration is like, this could get bad

for me if it's not wrapped up by November. I know I get different information. He's less popular than the war itself. Netanyahu is not popular, but continuing the war. Yes, is is popular there. It's very disappointing. So he has few incentives to slow things down except to keep the aid from the US running. And it's a little bit of a game of chicken that he's been winning right now because Biden just keeps sending the weapons and the aid regardless of what he does. So the negotiators, the Israeli negotiators are ostensibly working with this plan as their proposal. And Hamas is like, he sounds good, but we won't go any farther than that. And obviously we're not dismantling ourselves because we run the place.

What place is left? Right. There are some interesting exchanges between journalists and the State Department, sort of like trying to needle this point and get to like, what do you mean by this? In terms of like, well, there you're saying they're agreeing to this, but. The goal is to dismantle and like destroy and get rid of Hamas. What do you mean they're agreeing to that plan? Why would they agree to that?

Like, there's no there's just this disconnect of realities kind of clashing at this point, it seems. Yeah. I mean, even with Biden's OK. No, Biden's plan for permanent ceasefire, if Hamas agrees to it, it's just, you know, would involve the release of Palestinian prisoners. I mean, they've been very clear that they want all of their prisoners released. I don't see.

I mean, there's just some hedging on things. I don't know. I don't, you know, but they're presenting it like this is great. But yeah, there's a lot of ifs here. It's just like, yeah, a continued state statements of like, yeah, like the only obstacle. And this has been what they've said for months and months is like the only obstacle is some us like that. We got the deals. We got the deals. But then like Biden casually says the opposite sometimes, but then has to walk it back. Right.

Right. What did he say that someone asked him if Netanyahu is it was in the time interview? Yeah. Netanyahu is keeping the war going in order to protect himself politically. And then Biden said, well, yeah, people have every reason, I think, is the quote every reason to believe that reason for people to draw that conclusion. It was when he said that he walked that back. And like, you know, that's like, I guess, you know, the hedgiest thing you can say where it's like he's not saying that that's what's happening. He's saying, yeah, people have good reason to believe that he's not saying that

that's what's going on. He is such a mess like his. We're going to be talking about all of this all the time now, but when you just read Biden's words out loud or read the statements he's made or even watch him talk, you're like your communication is so similar to Donald Trump's, where you just say one thing and then you say the opposite. That was. You know, I mean, just wildly different statements that you can just. Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, like some

so many parts in that interview, it's just like she has to write unintelligible. That's the thing. It seems like he shouldn't have agreed to this interview knowing that they're going to transcribe the whole thing as he speaks it, which might not be that flattering to him. So the question from time was whose fault is it that the that deal, the ceasefire for hostages, has not been consummated? Is it Hamas or Israel or both? And then Biden says, Hamas. Hamas could end this tomorrow. Hamas could say, unintelligible and done, period. And the last offer Israel

made was very generous in terms. And part of this is like a publication has to decide if they are going to put every um and stammer in there. And a lot of times in interviews, they don't. They put what the person is saying, right? Right. What the intention is. So not the way I am just speaking and stammering and saying dot dot dot wait, but this and that. And time clearly made the decision for both the interviewer and Biden that they were just going to lay it all out there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's definitely a choice.

I mean, I think I mean, they make that choice with Donald Trump, too. Well, yeah, this was sort of like that's part of it, I think, is, you know, and there's elements of it's good to know. Like, here's no here's literally what they said. Here's how they talk. And here's this. I think it's super instructive to have just verbatim the words that Donald Trump says written out. Because it says it's all there. But with Biden, I think like it is that choice, I think to like, you know, there's definitely a push to present him as a certain sort of doddering old,

unintelligible man. And I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment. But I think, you know, sometimes when this happens, it does seem like that's sort of the goal and point of it. No value judgment there. But- I put a few excerpts from this interview in here. And the interview clearly took place right before he made this speech about the potential ceasefire proposal. So the interviewer is asking all this stuff.

And eventually, the interviewer says, but has he crossed your red line? And Biden goes, I'm not going to respond to that because I'm about to make up anyway. And then moves on. Does that so much. It's so like, he does this thing where he like, he'll start this sentence and it sounds like, I want to hear this sentence. Like the first half is the beginning of either an interesting fact

or like information that we need. And he'll always just do that. Never mind. It's like, bro, you're the president. Yeah. Just don't start the sentence. Like, no, that you shouldn't say stuff. He always frames it like seems to be like reacting like, oh, I'm like speaking out of school or like, I shouldn't say this. And so I'm not going to. It's like, didn't start your sentence.

There's something about this interview and all the interviews and everything we're going to be experiencing for the next fucking hellish. Whatever months where if if you read this interview with Biden, there are issues here with his communication. And obviously, like we'll get the, there are issues here with his communication, and obviously, like, we'll get into policy stuff, but just like his communication as like, the leader of the free world, or however you view it. And there's so much scrutiny on that. And I think it is warranted. I do want to empathize with a lot of people who are frustrated with the double standard that

is present when dealing with Donald Trump in similar situations. Because when Donald Trump is interviewed, not only are his like, sentences worse than Joe Biden's, the substance is worse, too. And he just he just sounds he's just out there. He is like, like I see people like, oh, Trump is like at the top of his game. No, he's not. He's really old, too. He is like he's missing a few steps, and he will go on these rants and ramble and ramble and ramble. And he is he is not a good communicator either.

It's frustrating because I think it because we've experienced Trump for so long and we're used to, ah, that's just how he talks. It's not good that he talks like that. And it's weird. And he's got issues. I agree with you. Just maybe not completely in that. Oh no. You're correct. He's not a good communicator. It's obviously effective for the people he wants it to be effective for.

And there's obviously something about the way he talks, where he can talk around things and like whether it's specifically calculated or not, it is effective for him and his goals. And Biden's communication is not effective for him and his goals. You know what I mean? Oh, I don't disagree with that. I'm not. I know.

I'm not saying that, like, obviously, yeah, Biden, the stuff that he says is materially better than what Donald Trump says. But I think I get frustrated with the double standard of let let's give him a pass, he's our guy. Oh, 100%. The argument of, but he's on our side. It's like, no, fuck off, fuck all the way off. He sucks. Well, that's the frustration,

is we should be able to point out these things and talk about these issues with him without this other, like, but Trump is worse, which we all know, and so on and so forth. But also, I just want to acknowledge people's frustration with the double standard, I think, where it's like, but Trump is worse, which we all know and so on and so forth. But also, I just want to acknowledge people's frustration with the double standard, I think, where it's like we like not we and not like a particular person or media. Whatever you stole.

I mean, you specifically Katie stole. No, just generally, there's a sense of like, oh, Biden's like, oh, he's lost it. And like, wow, Trump, Trump is fine. No, they've both. It's not. It's not like they're both awful. They're both fucking train wrecks. But yeah, I just I when you see an interview like this,

there's like so much scrutiny on it, like, oh, my this, this, this unintelligable, this is this. And then whenever some similar thing or worse interview comes out from Trump, it's like, ah, that's just, that's him. And I think that that is- I will say that we dunk, we've all gotten a lot of fun out of dunking on the way that Trump communicates for years now.

Oh yeah. I'll say that. But it's more, it's lighthearted fun, oftentimes, where it's like, he's an alien man. He says sentences that no one's ever said in their life, in anybody's life. I think that people that support Donald Trump probably jump through a lot of hoops to justify. 100%. That's sort of what I'm pointing out is that like there's like all these hoops and like excuses of like,

but then all the scrutiny on Biden, which is warranted again. He's the president and all the things we've said for many, many months. But I'm just trying to acknowledge, you know, it'll be a little fair and balanced to our to our more the blue no matter who type listeners out there. I also might be frustrated with us shitting on Joe Biden for so. I've said this on this show before, but it's been enough time, I think. I'm saying it again. I know. I think that part of it is that I mean, I don't think that Joe Biden has ever been the

best communicator. No, but you're seeing this. That's what it's always been. But we are seeing the strain of the office and you it's very clear that he is deteriorated in over the course of his time and versus Donald Trump. Again, not a good, but he's always been just the wackiest and stream of consciousness mumbo-jumbo. So I think that in contrast, you're seeing someone that has declined. Oh, yeah I think I mean the solution to it is to have a younger better

communicator be the candidate for the president of the United States, but I think that ship is never That ship didn't sail. It was just never built that ship was never designed or built speaking of the other candidate we could talk about some of this Trump stuff after an ad break. Look at you. Look at you. You didn't even waver. You just you did. I'm right there with you.

I think that's great. Mm hmm. I think so, too. I think it makes it much smoother when we sort of pause and acknowledge it. Am I calling too much attention to this break? Okay, we're gonna take a break, right? Oh, okay.

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We're back for more news on even more news. Yeah, but I always say or usually say we're back for even more news. If it's usual, then you can you don't have to. I feel like I've let everybody down. Okay, Jonathan, what do we got now? Well, I wanted to talk, I wanted to get to these 11 undecided voters who are asked about Biden and Trump. Yeah.

You were not around late last week, Katie, when Cody and I jumped back on right after the Trump verdict. So you have not commented on it yet. What do you think? No, not publicly. A miscarriage of justice? Outrageous weaponization of the Justice Department? No, it's so wild being up here and so many people have the exact opposite opinions as me.

They're like, it's so obviously a weaponization of like such bullshit. And I agree that it is not the best of the cases, mostly because of optics and because of this exact conversation, but no, he fucking did the things. It's unanimous, all counts. He did it. He did it. That's who he is.

He did it. Should we prosecute everybody that does shit like that? Sure. Who among us? Who among us hasn't paid? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say that I definitely think that this vitalizes his base.

I definitely do think that I know that there are some people that maybe are on the fence or the undecideds that are like, I don't know, and we can talk about them. But I just anecdotally, but I think it's true. I think that this is not in our favor ultimately in terms of, I just anecdotally, but I think it's true. I think that this is not in our favor ultimately in terms of, I just don't. Yes and no, because I mean, it is like, ah, his base is like all riled up and they're like, ah, we should elect the convict and that's so cool now.

They were gonna do that no matter what. Like it is invigorating people who were already vigorated. But I think it puts up the boiler, turns it up. And I think that there are some people that might have sat it out or don't feel I'm not this is all guesswork. I don't know. But I do think that everyone should enjoy that day of feeling some amount of satisfaction from it. I don't think that he'll spend any

time in jail. No, I think that materially he'll be on probation, which is funny. It's funny. It is funny, but you're not going to see the status. I don't expect us to see any satisfaction from this. Maybe the other ones. Well, that's the thing with the other ones too because and that's why I think this is more frustrating for people because this is like, oh, he did the thing and falsifying business records and so on and so forth. The hush money isn't the crime is something people know happened and people haven't cared about that. And they're not going to suddenly care about it.

There are cases that are going to happen if he doesn't win the presidency that are way more egregious than this. I mean, I would I would posit that if the sexual assault case didn't, you know, move the needle of people and convince them like, oh, he's like kind of a monstrous human being who maybe shouldn't have his power, then I don't know what case would this one certainly wouldn't. Maybe the like literally rigging the election and trying to like steal the election would have. I don't know. Some people I feel like do have that sort of more like one issue voters are just like, well, this is the thing that he shouldn't be doing. He shouldn't be trying to literally steal the election. And it would be good to have that particular trial happen

before the new election. So that's none of that. None of them are for various reasons. And it seems like a few are like, why this one feels the most. I mean, I don't think it's petty. I think it's legit and fair. But to people, a lot of people think this feels the most petty or the bunch. It is of the bunch.

And it's accurate that it is. And that to me, it's like this doesn't work in our favor in any capacity. It's not like, haha, because most people correctly assume that politicians are scummy and do shit like this. And they do all the time. And. We, you know, and this is the former president that's running for president again. I agree with the verdict and all of it, but the way it's played out and in the end, just timing as it did right now before the others, it's not a good look for us. Yeah, I just don't. I don't know. I'm I just think all the like, oh, this is going to help him.

And actually, like he's getting more support because he's a felon now. I think it's all bluster mostly and just sort of people who already were like all in on Trump, maybe being loud about it. I don't I just haven't seen a lot of evidence of like now that he's been convicted, I'm on board. It's just now that he's convicted, I'm still on board. I think it's pissed off some I've seen it piss off people that I wasn't sure we're going to vote and that they, you vote. And I don't know if that's going to drive them to vote, but I know what I've heard people saying and this is again

anecdotal. So, the big benefit I think to him is that it helped him raise a lot of money. He raised like 141 million, which was a huge jump in May. So, that's that kind of bump. It can help him get in front of voters. In terms of the polls, it does look like the only polls that have come out post verdict have given Biden the modest bump. And there is a small percentage of people who formerly supported Trump who weren't really like paying attention much to the election yet, who now say they won't support him, including one or two of these people in the undecided voters

that the The New York Times talked to. So 11 of them. There's one Hillary, 55 California, white social worker who says like she was kind of on the fence, but that we cannot have the president be a convicted felon. And that idea maybe holds some weight as we get closer. Yeah, I think your mileage may vary there. But I do think that some people are like, yeah, that's absurd.

Why would we? Of course not. Also, I think that something is it's frustrating because something is sort of lost this year and because Trump's been gone for so long, like from our, you know, awareness much. Trump isn't like we see, like he's like winning all these polls and stuff. He's not popular. People don't like Donald Trump, really. Some people really do, obviously.

And I know, Katie, you know, people who really do. I'm not saying people don't, but I'm saying I want to just say, I don't even I might know people that really do, but I'm not even talking about people that really like him. They don't like him. That's what I'm saying. Is it like, there's, I think there's this narrative like, oh, like Trump's like-

But they are more likely to vote for him now after this. They do feel that it's politicized. I don't agree with them. I'm just communicating that, you know, they don't like him. I question the actual veracity of their claim that they are now going to vote for him because of this. I'm not saying like they're lying. I just they're now going to vote for him because of this. I'm not saying like they're lying.

I just think that like. I'm not saying because of this. I'm saying extra riled up and some people talking about, I don't know, we'll see. We got time between now and then. Well, that's the thing. It's like, it's June. People are gonna be riled up by it

and he's gonna raise some money. But again, like it's, he's not popular. People don't like him. It just happens to be a situation, unfortunately, where Joe Biden is unpopular. And so you have these polls where it's like, Oh, look, everyone loves Trump. No, no, no, they just don't like Joe Biden that much. And I think that's the real like problem that Democrats have this year is that like, you have kind of an unpopular candidate against a real fucking loser. People don't like Trump unless they love him.

And I think that it's overblown and like it to a point where like he still might win. And that sucks. I just think that there needs to be a lot of effort on instead of being like Trump's a felon and he's this Trump's bad, this, this, this. No, say why you are awesome. Convince people that you're better than. I definitely agree with that. And it's hard because I don't I think a lot of I mean, I don't feel like the Democrats or Biden are awesome. But I need to see their case being

made. But that's always felt it's like we've spent the last four years. There have been some good things. There have been some good things. I don't mean to gloss over it, but there's like, we've talked about them. And also a lot of extremely frustrating things, not just just with Joe Biden, but with the entire party, especially right now, especially this year. And it's vital that that is the focus is, you know, telling us what you want to do, telling us what we will get from voting for Democrats. Show me how you're different. And I think that that's a good transition to talking about Biden's executive order about the border as a perfect example of them not showing me how they're any fucking different.

Yeah. I mean, on Tuesday, President Biden issued an executive order that disallows new asylum claims during times when border crossings surge. They're high right now, so it went into effect immediately. The border between US and Mexico is essentially closed. The ACLU is planning to challenge the order, which allows border patrol agents to return new migrants across the border within days or even hours. I want to read this from the New York Times article about

it because it really stuck out to me. Aware that the policy raised uncomfortable comparisons, Mr. Biden took pains to distinguish his actions from those of Mr. Trump. Quote, we continue to work closely with our Mexican neighbors instead of attacking them, Mr. Biden said. He said he would never refer to immigrants as poisoning the blood of the country as Mr. Trump has done. So words, what a lossy bar that we have. The policy is very similar. The words not one to one. It's not exactly.

Trump has like worse elements of like more people are denied asylum. Like there are definitely distinctions to see if the family separation, kids in cages, stuff happens, which is what really We'll see if the family separation, kids in cages stuff happens, which is what really riled things up. But there were a lot of protests from, you know, blue states, from liberals specifically against the asylum thing, which is very similar. And we are not seeing that right now. Right.

Yeah. And what's interesting, I was just listening to an interview with Alex Padilla, he's a California senator, and talking about the dismay over this. And just, you know, it's hard to point to this, but recently, over the last few months, we've been working with Mexico's government to work with them to reduce the amount of people coming to the border. There's been some more, there have been some gains. That is only recently some of the numbers dwindling according to him, I don't have this in front of me. But all of this is to say,

this is very much a campaign move. This is very much an attempt to appeal to the people on the fence that do have concerns about immigration that aren't sure if they're going to vote for Trump or Biden and it's calculated. Yeah, I mean, I think largely it's an effort to convince a group of people who will never vote for him. Not that it's not an issue for many people or where they think that closing the border will help them. Obviously, we know that's not how this works, that this is a cruel and humane thing to do. So I'm not saying it won't

help them at all with any centrists who are on the fence. You would just hope that our guy would be better than that. Yeah, you'd hope that. And there's like little details, you know, you have to what migrants, they get just four hours to seek a lawyer before they face like these credible fear interviews. So like, it's just like, what do you expect them to do? And there's actually I was reading this. We've talked about this before. And this sort of like, the move that Democrats usually make liberals tend to make in recalibrating their positions to accommodate the right basically. And you know, this happened like historically and you know, that's a lot of the Democrats

like moved to the center in the 90s and things like that. But there's also there's a study that was done across Europe that found that adopt like adopting these sort of like right wing policies on things like immigration and crime. They don't actually help liberals win more votes, according to this study that maybe not across the board. I don't know. But it's just one something to consider that maybe. Be vocally distinct from your opponent. And not just in not saying poisoning the blood of the nation.

Like you're alienating your base. Yeah, not. Well, it's tough because they're trying to calculate what's going to help them in very marginal ways in a few states. And yet so much of this is out of their control. Like the only reason this is even a close race at all because people don't like Trump is because of their control. Like the only reason this is even a close race at all because people don't like Trump is because things were cheaper five or six years ago than they are now. I don't want to stand so much inflation.

Yeah. But it's like, yeah, things cost a lot more now. People don't know whose fault that is, but they're like, I made more money or I my money went farther. Well, that's the thing. It's like six years ago. People even point this out, I think, in the in those undecided things where it's like, yeah, things cost less under Trump, but I make more money now. So it's this sort of trade off of like, well, what do I what do I like more? What's the actual like number difference and how does it actually affect my life?

And all of that's so anecdotal, too. It's like that some people might be feeling that, but other people have a different. Yeah, you can look at it. You can look at a chart and go like things are doing better than ever. But then you talk to a person who isn't experiencing that and it's like, well, what are they going to do? Agree with your chart, even though they're, you know, they're not, they're struggling. So this New York time focus group is interesting because there's a multiple people saying neither of them going for

Kennedy. At the end, only one person says they'll go for. This was the interesting thing is like these people are either more conservative or more liberal and they seem to be between voting for Trump or not voting or voting for Biden or not voting. Like, no, they're like, I just don't like these guys and they're not making that. I just want to interject. If you're somebody that's. Doesn't feel good about voting for Biden, still vote, vote for all the other shit.

Go vote. Oh, yeah. Down ticket. All that kind of stuff. I'm not going to tell you you have to. I mean, we're not close enough. It's June. We don't need to do that. We're not doing that. Don't just sign yourself up to be checked out. We need you to vote for something. OK, continue.

Sorry. Vote for South Park. Do what you gotta do. Write yourself in. I don't know. Do what you gotta do. Well, now what is it that the calculus has flipped? It used to be that people staying home and not voting helped the Republicans.

And now it might be different because registered voters go more for Trump, but likely voters Biden is winning. So now they want people not to vote except that's why the Gaza stuff is so enraging because we're talking about all this marginal stuff in a few states. 10,000 votes in Michigan might be it, right? Like that's why it's so enraging. If you could flip a few people by doing the humane right thing to do. And that gets you over the finish line. And I know he's I think some polls have him leading in those midway in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin right now, which might be all you need if Biden loses Arizona, Nevada, Georgia. But like the like this should not be close.

Let's be honest. It's because of. Yeah, yeah, he's nobody likes him. Just just for levity's sake, are going to read this short exchange. Let's be honest. It's because of. Yeah, he's nobody likes him. Just just for levity sake, we're going to read this short exchange. Trump Jorge says Trump is not reliable and I don't think Biden is in his brightest years either. So I'm guessing the only choice right now is Kennedy. Jonathan brain worm Bobby Jorge.

Yes. Perfect exchange. And then but then at the end, I think it was someone else who said they were going to vote if the election was today, they would vote for RFK Jr. and Jorge is not among them. Yeah, it's interesting. He's just like, yeah, they're funny. They're also interesting. I mean, these are the this is they're not this is this isn't people These aren't people that are necessarily driven by an ideology here, but they are I mean their observations are interesting to me Yeah, well, it's like the I don't know maybe Jorge is More conservative leaning if he considers if what his problem with Trump is that he's not reliable

Mm-hmm gives me a little like huh? Yes, but is that he's not reliable. Gives me a little like, huh? Amongst other things, yes. But I mean, that's my favorite. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've talked to people who are in that world where like you don't like, you know, kind of inundated with a little like Washington Times, like style propaganda examiner, whichever one, where it's like, oh, the Democrats are like evil, Soros run and they're trying to like, make everybody poor so they can do world government.

I don't know, whatever that is. And acknowledging, no, Trump's like a narcissist and I don't trust him. And I think there is that dichotomy for a lot of people where it's like, well, I'm just soaked in all this propaganda about like Soros bucks or whatever. But I can look at Donald Trump talk and I can know he's not reliable. He's only in it for himself. There's no reason to trust this man. But I still might vote for him because of this other stuff. It's like that weird back and forth is very interesting for people who are like, yeah, do it. Ben, 42 from Texas, college advisor. So now it's down to voting for the convicted felon or voting for Biden, the super old out of touch guy.

I don't really like either of those choices. Wait, sorry, I have to interrupt you. I'm so sorry. You can say that we have to vote for the convicted felon and the super old out of touch guy or Biden, the super old out of touch guy. I think he could acknowledge that Trump is a super old and out of touch as well. But sorry, go ahead. I don't think Ben's your main problem here. But yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.

He goes, I don't really like either of those choices, but I think I'm going to I think I'm going to go with the old guy losing his mind over the convicted felon who's probably going to be out for blood as soon as he's elected. It's like I'm in Poland trying to choose between the Nazis and the Soviets. I'm just going to flip a coin, but probably voting for Biden. I don't know if I'll vote. What are you saying? So good. I've got to flip a coin, but probably voting for Biden.

I don't know. But this guy is between Biden or not voting, right? Like, he's not considering voting for Biden. I don't know. But this guy is between Biden or not voting, right? Like, he's not considering voting for Trump and Jonathan, not me. Jonathan have like a back and forth in this thing because Jonathan kind of likes Trump, but he doesn't want to vote for him. Not me, Jonathan. That guy, Jonathan. Yeah. And then keep clarifying that must be clarified. Jonathan says Jonathan likes Trump.

Well, no, it's funny. Funny. He's funny. OK. I don't. Funny, funny. He's funny, okay. How can I read the other Ben one? Yes, please. He's talking about Trump and how he gets away with everything. He says, we're all regular people with regular jobs. If any of us all did like 1,000th of what this guy did for being on trial, the financial stuff, the forms,

the bribes, the meeting with people, we all would have been fired. We all would have been out on our butts, applying for jobs at grocery stores or driving Uber or whatnot. You're saying it's all like a political theater and farce and whatnot, but he was having an affair with a porn star

and not a particularly attractive one at that. There are so many wonderful porn stars out there. Ben! Ben! Ben! Ben! Ben! Ben! Calm down! It's New York Times!

Did you have to insult the appearance of the porn star? What's wrong with you? What your takeaway is, you didn't, she wasn't attractive enough to be paid the money. For you? To make it be worth it? So gross for so many reasons. I always find it like, I know why people do it,

and that's like their world and that's fine, but whenever they're like, and he had an affair with a porn star, I don't care that she was a porn star. He had an affair with a woman while his wife was pregnant. That's the thing that's bad. It's not that she happened to be a porn star, but also, she wasn't even that attractive.

That's literally the excuse that Trump gives for why he didn't even do it. Whenever he's accused of anything, he's like, well, it's just not even that attractive. Why would I do that? Like, I don't know. Just bring it. It's also when these like supposedly sex positive liberals are like, he had a gross affair with a gross porn star. I know. It's just like, wait, aren't you like, I thought you were.

I know. Yeah. But it's just like, yeah, we want to, like, heighten the sensational aspect of it instead of all the crimes he did to cover it up. Right. Back in the Quaint Old Days where he felt that might impact his campaign. Like all these things of like, no, the moral issue is not that like, oh, she's a Quintor.

But also that's not even. So that's not what he's on trial for, the moral issue. Oh, no, exactly. We've known about that for so long. It's also just like just being like, it's not what he's on trial for, the moral issue. Oh no, exactly. We've known about that for so long. It's also, I just like, just being like, it's not even that like, she wasn't even that attractive, not attractive of a porn star. It's also adding, there's so many better porn stars.

Like it's so revealing of like, wait, who do you wish Trump fucked instead, buddy? This guy is a funny character for sure. Ben, let's get you on the show. We'll interview you. Right. Why not? We are ashamed. So we'll tell him we'll shame him as much like shame him. I'm good at talking. You're in a focus group.

Good at this. I'm really good at talking to people that I'm confused by. But I I don't know. We've thrown this around Ben statement and Donald Trump's. Opinions on her attractiveness. She's a perfectly lovely person. I mean, I don't know her character or like if I'd want to hang out with her, but I mean, she's beautiful. Everybody's beautiful, but she is beautiful.

And I hate that. I hate this shit that it comes down to denigrating someone's appearance, anybody's, but especially a woman, especially a woman in this situation, she has become a household name, and it really grosses me out, Ben. So what Trump wants you to do, he wants you to call her ugly. And she's beautiful.

It's like the modern equivalent of like nonstop Lewinsky jokes, you know? Yes, it is. Which like, the late night shows don't really do the same thing. They're not like mocking Stormy Daniels here, which I think is like a little bit of some amount of this morning, but there's some of the same stuff that's still infiltrating when they're trying to be talking about like, who's going to run the place and will democracy

exist, et cetera. And then we try. I mean, we just like, yeah, I was going to literally I was like, we can just mention that Trump claimed out loud on camera to people that he never said, lock her up. Oh my. I love this for him. What a claim. What a claim to make. I think he's like the Internet was invented last year. So none of those clips of me saying lock her up or she should be in jail or you know what? You're right. Lock her up is right. So funny that that's not recorded on video.

I instantly thought of I was like, buddy, you told her to her face. You told her you'd be in. She would be in jail if you were the president. You told her we all saw it. So funny. And he would be like, that's not me saying, lock her up. But then you said, lock her up plenty of times. So he's thinking of some of the campaign, some of the campaign rallies in 2020. He didn't. Well, right. People would chant.

I would be like, you see, I never encourage it. I never beg it on. I'm always innocent. I'm on my best behavior. But, you know, you know, and then he trails off and goes into something else. But you know, it't it be nice if she was locked up or whatever? He said it many times. And now he said, like, there's whole articles like, what would it look like in the justice system when Donald Trump goes after his political rivals? Like, we know what he's going to do that.

All this stuff. But he didn't actually do that with Hillary. Lock her up was such a centerpiece of his campaign back then. So funny. And then immediately never did anything to even because he knew he. It's just like, why do you think we know that phrase, man? Yeah, it was the hit. It's when Sweet Caroline starts in the audience does the bub bub bub. That's what Locker Up is. Locker Up. Sweet Hillary, Locker Up. Locker Up. We have fun here.

It does feel like that. Did we do it? It does feel like that. Did we do it? Have we ended the show? We did it. I think so. I think we have to have done it.

Yeah, we've done it. Cody, it is time for me to check in with you. Do we have a time and a date for your live stream, please? I'm drumming on my table. I know. Saturday or Sunday. Oh my God, dude. I don't know.

There's there are some moving parts that I still need to figure out. So I can't say that. I apologize. I gave you a whole hour to figure it out with no distractions. No, yeah, nothing else was going on. Tweet it. You'll tweet it. I'll tweet it or something. Follow him on Twitter if you want the details. Follow me too, but I don't tweet.

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