Some More News - Even More News: Fascism Has No End Game

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

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Hello, welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast. That's right. I didn't forget our tagline this time because it's the damn truth. I tell you, I'm Katie. My name is Katie Stoll. Hello. Hi, Katie. Are you gonna be mean to me again? Yeah I'm Cody. What the fuck? Hi, I'm Cody Johnson. People seem to really respond to my like sassy energy last week. So you gotta go get sick again, man

I'm always sick. I'm sick and tired of all your garbage. All right, okay this week We have some very special returning guests, podcasters, Jereen Lani-Yunis and Anna Hosnier. Hello, guys. Welcome back. Hi, thanks for having us. Good to see you both from our little screens here. Yes, it is very nice.

It reminds me of like early pandemic days for some reason. I know, I'm getting a strong flashback to that. A blur of a little white dog in the background that I remember as well. Ace is here. Ace, sweet boy. Yeah, I very much associate the two of you because we were all guessing on each other's shows a lot back then from my various makeshift recording spaces, of which I'm in a makeshift recording space again today because I'm traveling.

I mean, that, that checks out, that checks out. Checks out. This is our new, our brave new world. We've got lots of stuff to talk about today. But first a couple of holidays, Thank goodness. 29th National Nevada Day. But apparently. OK, so do all the states have national days, Jonathan? They do, because National Day Calendar gave them all days. As they should. Yeah, they're very thorough.

OK, the dates are completely arbitrary, though. It's not based on like the historical event. No, they joined the United States on October 31st, 1864, which is not. Halloween. You can't do that today. You can't have Nevada on Halloween. No. So that makes sense. No, you can't have Nevada on Halloween. OK, cool.

Congratulations to Nevadans listening. Yeah. Happy Nevada Day to all of you. And March 30th, National Virtual Vacation Day. The fuck? I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. We're going to read this.

Jonathan wrote this. I'm going to read Jonathan's words now. You're blaming Jonathan. This is Jonathan. No, I'm taking credit. You don't care for this. See, Jonathan, like, makes this lovely research doc, and I just feel too guilty playing it off

that I am sounding. And that's the funny thing is because I write things for you to read and you don't have to. And I pay you to do that. Yeah. So like, it's fine. But anyway, I know. According to Jonathan, according to Jonathan, sometimes I make mistakes

founded by the National Day calendar and this website, Terrence Talks, Travel.com. Today is about putting on a VR headset and experiencing a far away location as if you're on vacation. Wow. We live in hell. Yeah, we do. So like the National Calendar to sort of like pay for play. Because this is a lot of it is. Yes. Big VR virtual.

Big or this. Yeah, Terrence talks travel. He's probably invested in quest or whatever. Yeah. As usually happens, I stop researching this stuff after 10 minutes Travel. I was probably invested in Quest or whatever. As usually happens, I stop researching this stuff after 10 minutes because I'm like, I have actual work to do. What am I doing? Sure.

Terrence Talks Travel clearly collaborated and paid National Day calendar to create this, but I think that travel website only gets affiliate money if people book trips. This is about specifically not taking a trip. I guess if you buy an Oculus through, click through their website, they'll make some money. Maybe they have a discount code. It's so dystopian to me. And there's an image on the National Day calendar

that's very funny because it's a woman wearing a VR headset and a backpack in front of this big arch in Munich. And it's unclear if she's there, but still wearing the headset. It looks like she's got the headset on there. But if she's at home. And seeing it in her headset, then why is she wearing the backpack

if she's just pretending? Maybe the VR headset is putting the backpack on too, to give her the illusion that she's wearing a backpack. You guys, I'm sorry, I can't even put this in the chat. So Hannah and Shireen have no idea what image we're talking about. I apologize. I can imagine. I can imagine.

Yeah. We've been at pretty good jobs. It's a woman who looks like she's there, but there's a headset on. Our listeners are also just imagining it. It's silly. Well, who cares about them? I feel, I think it's depressing because I really could use a vacation. I haven't gone on a vacation since pre-COVID

because life just seems to be moving faster and faster and faster. Do you want to get PlayStation VR? I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to spend all that money on that. I would rather go spend the money and go do something and maybe never, maybe fall in love with someone in France

who can marry me and give me health insurance. I don't know. Or put a headset on. You guys fully buried the lead. Is this woman's hands are up as if she's feeling the air. Oh yeah, she's touching the air. Oh yeah, yeah. You did not mention that.

She's not even close to the arch thing in Munich, I guess. Never seen that, been to Munich. You're very weird. And I don't even, what is the point? Like you're just like, wow. The air around us and the VR vacation. It's so depressing, honestly. Like, it's like you're going to be working way too hard to ever come here in real life.

Here you go. You're going to have a backpack on while you do it too. This is what I'm saying. This is the hotel. You're going to carry all your luggage. It's like a little playful too, like like those leaning tower of Pisa photos. Yes, that's what it's it. That's what it's like. She's trying to do. She's trying to do that.

But it's not happening because she's not there. And it's not what you do with this arch. Like there's nothing going on. That's so strange. I started this image. I stared at this image for so long. And then I saw I'm glad we're talking about it today, because it means that valuable research paid off. Oh, yeah. yeah. No way. No way. No waste of time. Fuck this holiday.

Yeah. Get out of here. Get an Apple vision pro and I don't know, be more productive with your screen. Your job is going a real damn vacation. Okay. Hi guys. Welcome back. We're out of here. Welcome back. Hello. We are going to talk a lot about Gaza today and there are so many things that we can say, but before we get into that, I wanted to touch base with you both

and see how you are doing because you have been kind of on the front lines, I would say on social media, like really engaged in a way that a lot of people haven't been. And I know it's a lot of responsibility and pain. And I don't think either of you have been, I don't know, I'm not putting words in your mouth. How are you feeling? How are you? I mean, I guess the main, the consensus is just like not well, but

Yeah. Definitely like every day like What? That's sort of the energy is you're just like every day you open the news and they're like I don't I don't know. It feels like we're in the dark ages. Yeah. That we are watching the beginning of the end, in a way. Yeah.

Is that a way to feel? I don't know. No, that's accurate. I don't think any of us, especially those of us who have learned about Palestine our whole lives, like, I don't think any of us will be the same. Yeah. We've seen this happen our entire lifetime, but this degree of dehumanization is really hard to come back from. And so, yeah, I have not been doing well. I wouldn't expect anybody to be doing well in general right now. But it is like, it's easier for me to cry, which is very impressive.

I was already crying a lot. And then just every day you see something worse than you've ever seen, like worse than the day before. You're like, oh, it can't get worse than X, Y, and Z. And then it does. So yeah, it's a little bit hard to like go through the motions of daily living and like have to do all the things and also know that's going on. But I don't know.

Yeah. Every morning it's like you wake up to some fresh hell, something depraved. And I sometimes feel like it's, are other people not seeing this? Are you guys, and like that might be true. There might be some degree of things that some people aren't seeing, but there's also just that predictable and depressing, I guess, desensitization that happens. I think that distance, I think people very quickly wrote the whole thing off as like, well, they're going to do what they're going to do to get the terrorists and like that's in their mind is like, that's what's going on. And so any new story, I think they feel like not everybody obviously, there are many reasons people are okay with what's going on. But I think a lot of people are just sort of have that mindset of just like it's the terrorism,

we got to get rid of the terrorism. So whatever is happening is necessary. It's the good guys against bad guys. And, you know, that looks bad, but they're the good guys. So it's it's surely has to be good. Yeah, it's just I don't know, every day, like you're saying, like every day you see some new thing happen. And then it's also always paired with like an Israeli official saying, like, we actually do want to do this. This is like we want to wipe everybody out.

And it's like just next to each other. And we still can't seem to grasp what's going on or accept what's going on, I guess. Yeah. I mean, even with the ceasefire thing that's happening now, Israel's like, oh, we're not going to stop. Like they said it on the record. That's just the way we're not stopping. This does nothing to stop our efforts to to get Hamas, which I mean, at this point,

if people don't know it's just like code for Gaza, like it doesn't make any sense to me that people actually think this advanced military would need to do this to get any kind of bad guy that blows my mind. But yeah, it's really frustrating because they're saying it with their full chest, you know, like they're saying the ugly part out loud and still it's not getting through to people.

That's insane. Been saying it for a long time or. Oh, yeah. When is UN ever like. Yahoo. But yeah, this is not ever. This shouldn't be a surprise when we saw this unfolding back in October. It we know exactly what was happening. If you've been paying attention, you would know exactly what's been happening for a long time. And that this is the end stages of a plan that, you know, a justification to do the thing that they wanted to do and have been encouraging to happen for a long time. And it's it's just very galling to feel like you're screaming and to avoid saying

that same thing over and over again. And people are going to hold on to the the line that they've been fed so that they can say, it's okay, I don't have to concern myself because this just has to happen or whatever, their justification. A quick disclaimer slash asterisk. I didn't mean that Gaza and Hamas are interchangeable. I'm saying when Israeli officials say Hamas, they intend to wipe out Gaza. But when you read either, they're not interchangeable. I just want to make that clear. I was thinking about that right after I said it.

I think that's a good clarification. You know, it's one of those things that's like, people say it's complicated. It's not that complicated. But some of the dynamics of Hamas and separating them from Gaza is complicated. You can't just paint it all with one brush because we've got just people in their homes. We've been pretty clear with our audience about that. I think our audience is mostly not going to take what you're saying in bad faith, I don't think, or to think that you're confusing them or anything.

And there is this issue of, because Israeli officials will use them interchangeably. They're saying, we'll have to get Hamas. We have to stop it. Nothing. We'll leave nothing left. We can't even leave the children left. Like, the children of Hamas?

What are you saying specifically? So they are saying what they're doing. They're not pulling any punches about it. I want to not necessarily to transition the conversation, but there was a new Gallup poll released on Wednesday showing that 55% of Americans now disapprove of Israel's military action in Gaza up from 45% in November and approval of it is down from 50% to 36%. This is overall, it's even more so among Democrats. So, you know, we see Joe Biden trying to play this game where he's very mad at Netanyahu publicly for months

now. This week was the first time that the US abstained at the UN for the ceasefire resolution didn't veto it, which angered Netanyahu and he's postponing his trip and all that. He is definitely trying to play this delicate balance because I think he, months later, is now recognizing that this issue might sink his reelection chances. Although, despite that abstention at the UN, there still appears to be no material change in policy. Yeah, that's the thing. It's very frustrating kind of to see. But also like the like that polling and I've noticed this too, just people sort of like, not everybody, but coming around to realizing what's actually going on and

sort of like seeing it continue and continue and continue and continue. And it'd be more explicit and more clear what's going on and sort of realize like how horrific it is. But it's been six months almost. Almost six months. And like that is that's such a long time for this kind of thing to continue happening. And for people to. Like slowly realize is like that, like the reaction to that polling and to the realization like, oh, people don't like this is going to lag even more. And it's just very, I don't know, it's very frustrating to see like six months later, like, yeah, the thing everybody was saying was going on.

You agree. Now what are we going to do? Oh, well, we, the thing everybody was saying was going on. You agree. Now, what are we going to do? Oh, well, we have to do that. Like, it's going to be even longer to see any change on the actual policy or do anything, because also I feel like there's. It's that that terrible thing of like news fatigue people have and just like, well, it was happening already, and I've seen it, you know, and it's like people want a new thing that it's, it's not in the forefront of people's minds anymore.

Even though they are starting to see what's going on. Yeah. And I will say, I mean, like the point I said earlier of like, we're entering the dark ages. I think what Israel has done now in this moment has created an issue that will last for many years to come. I think, you know, you said might hurt Biden's reelection. It's definitely going to hurt Biden. Definitely. I would say prepare for a Trump presidency, prepare for our next dictatorship. Like it is what it is. We're at a point where they've gone too far. It's very, very hard, close to impossible to come back to what, you know, the status quo was before all

of this started to come into the mainstream media. I think something that I've talked about for years is with insurgencies and these militant groups and people who turn to these groups like Hamas or the Taliban. And for years we've seen this happen in the Middle East, like Al Qaeda and, you know, like all these different groups. It's because these people don't have anywhere else to turn because imperialism has destroyed their lives. And so we have now entered a phase in Palestine where none of these people, none of these Palestinians have any reason to ever trust America or any

other foreign power because all they've ever been told their whole lives or their whole you know experiences in the last few months is that we don't care about them. So you're basically create your you've destabilized the entire situation more so than it's ever been because now these children who have watched you and like literally experienced being starved to death and have seen their families be murdered, their parents be taken from them, they've seen people be beaten on the streets, they've seen their whole homes and lives destroyed, they're going to turn to these groups that put their hand out and say, come to us, we will help you, we will help you get revenge, we will help you do this, that, this. We are the group that can help you. And that is going to have

a lasting effect because the majority of the population of Gaza is children. And so you have now created an impact that will last years to come. We're not going to be able to get out of any of this for a long time. Israel is in over their heads. And I think they know this, which is why they want to kill the children. I think they're fully aware of what they're doing, which is why they want to completely wipe out the population. It's just, I mean, we truly like, I don't think there's any coming back from this and it's the beginning of the end. And I'm sorry to be such a dark person, but as I've been sitting here and watching

everything happening and reading about it for years, it's like, you don't come back from something like this. You don't create such a destabilized moment where even like your own president who's supposed to be a Democrat is repeating very conservative talking points for a country that we should not be this involved in. Yes. I was just trying to find this article that I saved and I couldn't find it. So I'm going to misquote it. But Biden had evidence from like October. I mean, as if we didn't all have evidence by watching what's unfolding with our fucking eyes. But like intelligence that they were specifically targeting civilians and he hasn't said anything about it and has improved over how many sales since then, how many, you know.

I mean, Biden loves Israel. We've always known that about Biden. But like, I appreciate that you brought that up, Anna, because you also bring up the point that with this famine, with the starvation, generations are going to be affected anyway. Even if it stops now, there are children that will still die to death. Even if they grow up, they might have deficiencies because they were not adequately nourished when they were younger. Pregnant mothers can't get the proper nourishment they need or breast, it's all part of it. So, I think it is in a lot of ways the beginning of the end just, yeah, the dark ages is a good way to

put it, I think. And so, it's not just about the consequence of how the people will feel, it's the consequence of they're going to be dealing with this for decades to come, regardless. consequence of they're going to be dealing with this for decades to come, regardless. I also want to point out that it is not against international law to resist an occupying power. So just putting that out there. Every time I see an article or a profile of a person who's lost their whole family, and when I say their whole family, that's sometimes like 50 people. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, they're sitting there and they're talking to a reporter while sitting in the ruins of their lives. And that there would be people out there who would expect them to be like, well, I'm going to go fight against Hamas now. Yeah. Is kind of baffling to me. And we can acknowledge those things without saying, I like all of these actions that the that every individual group is doing. Like, I just don't know what anyone thinks the reaction has been, which, as you said, is why they're trying to kill everyone. But they're not going to succeed. I don't believe they'll succeed. Because as they're finding out, it takes a long time to starve people. And that's like, like, it's disgraceful and awful that we have to be following the like, I was reading that article, an article that was said like, well, 50% of the population faces famine by May. And there are levels of hunger.

Like everyone is starving right now. These people are living off of 300 calories per day. They're having like a piece of bread and a scoop of cream cheese. So I know a lot of articles will say that a famine hasn't started yet, but there's 2 million people starving in there right now. It's like, yeah, what's the difference between that and an actual famine? Because I mean, reading that since I was two months ago listening to people talking about how they were grinding up

cat food and trying to bake it into bird feed. Yeah, into bread. Like that was a while ago. Yeah, into bread. Like that was a while ago. Yeah, it's that it's what we talked about since October, I guess, of where like, what's the number that is like once that gets you to think like, oh, this is bad. We should stop. Like is what's the you know, oh, it's five thousand people are dead. Oh, ten thousand people. Oh, twenty thousand people. Oh, if that doesn't children are dead. Like, what's the number where you're like, actually, that's too much. And same thing with this where

it's like, is it when it hits famine, and then you're going to say, okay, folks, we need to do something about this, we're already headed there. And it's accelerating. So what is like, what's the magic data that will get you to, to care about this?. Yeah. Also, it's important to remember that this is not this. This did not start on October 7th. Like Israel was already controlling the everyone's calories in Gaza well before this. So it's not like suddenly Israel is bombarding Gaza. They've been under siege for almost 16 years.

They run the electricity, they run the water, they run everything. But yeah, I think it's important to remember that even if someone is just coming to learn about this stuff, once you learn about the history, it's impossible to see the struggle the Palestinians have been going through in any other way other than what it is. Like, it's just like the minute. I don't blame people for just learning about this and then doing a deeper dive, I commend those people and I hope more people do that

because I am, I was raised with it. I couldn't help learning about it, but I can't relate to someone that doesn't have that experience. So, I respect when someone makes an effort to learn and there's no shame in that. So I just hope people do that because the minute you open any kind of accurate article, you'll find out it didn't start on October 7th and it wasn't just like Hamas attacked Israel and this is what happened.

Yeah, I don't really fully understand Israel's game plan because it's not a safe place to live. It's not a safe place for Jewish people. It's just like, it's not safe over there. Like you can't live in a world where you're like in a dictatorship and your dictator is obsessed with killing off a group of people. Like it's never going to end well. These people will continue to fight for their lives. And it's like, what's the plan? Israel's not even safe. And you got Joe Biden's in here being like, we need Israel because there's no other safe place. And it's like, why is there no other safe place

for Jewish people? Like, why would you ever say that to imply that America is not safe for Jewish people? And it's like, this whole situation is like, there is no plan. You guys are just like saying stuff, you're killing people, and you're not even actually really acknowledging the problem, which is like, you've created a larger scope

of antisemitism with this. And you've also now used the religion as a shield for genocide, which is further antisemitism. And then you go around having talking points like nowhere is safe for Jews. And it's like, well, yes, that's what are you doing? Because now Israel is no longer safe either. So what's the plan? As a secular American Jewish person, I've been like, we're not here to talk about this. But over the last six months, I've been like, what

is happening? Because I have the president saying, you know, you, me, not safe here. You can't be safe in this country if this other country that you've never been to and have no connection to does not exist. And to have the head of the Anti-Defamation League saying that if you don't support what's going on over there, that you're a fake Jew. Or he quote tweeted that and was like, this is good.

And I got a lot of problems with that guy. But like, to, I'm just like, I'm sorry, were we all like just born yesterday? Like what is happening here? Sorry, we're not here to talk about how American jury is screwed up. It's like, yeah, it's very valid. It's a big part of the problem, especially when it's done in your culture's name. Like, that's that's horrific.

Yeah, that again, bringing it back to the points that have been made. Like, this is increasing anti-Semitism. This is I am blown away away shocked at some of the shit I'm seeing people say and think and missing the point of what this conversation even is about and taking it to a level that is appalling. And what's galling to me is, it's like this is perfectly, you're right. What is the end game here? Where does it stop? There's lots of countries around you that are now also your enemy and out for you

And so so what is the end game here? Whereas? It feels like with all of the the knowledge. We should have been accumulating Throughout history would suggest why like now if peace feels very impossible and at pieces and it didn't have to be though. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, when the when peace isn't the goal, then it's not, you know, that's the situation. And like, so like, fascism doesn't have like an end game, it needs to continue this kind of thing, whether it's internal or external,

it needs that to continue. So there's no like, well, once we do this, then it's then it's over. That's not how it operates. And I don't know what the polling is like in Israel right now. But I know at the beginning, not that, like, not everybody wanted this, you know, they don't like Netanyahu. They don't like Netanyahu, but the majority of Israelis still support now. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I genuinely didn't know. I'm just saying that off the cuff here.

Yeah, no, it's very upsetting. Yeah, it's upsetting. But no, Jonathan, I glad you brought that up only because if you're a settler, like a new settler, like you know what you're doing. I just think it's important to mention that a lot of people knowingly go and settle there, knowing that that house used to belong to a different family. So even if they don't love Netanyahu, they still believe in a lot of Israel's policies. Well, right, that's the thing.

Like, I mean, Netany, obviously is going very aggressive on this and has said some horrific things and his whole party has many horrific things to say. But if it wasn't him, it'd be somebody else and it would be maybe less aggressive. But like the the the state, like the the project wouldn't go away and it would still be doing this just like again, like in the maybe less aggressive way. Maybe we'd hear more little stories about how Biden's very disappointed and are there, but they're having talks seven months away or whatever.

But the least the absolute least we could do is not cut off funding for the UNRWA. Thank you for bringing this up. Unbelievable. Through the package that they passed and Biden signed to not shut down the government. And I know the government's got to keep going and there's all these negotiations. The least we could do is not cut off funding to the only people who are trying somehow to get food in there. Absolutely abhorrent.

I keep saying that word, but yet for a young Palestinian child. America is offering you absolutely zero hope or support. Bringing it back to building that she ran who said that earlier. Oh, the pier, right? Building that temporary pier. Yeah. When's that going to be? That's going to save the world. That's thank you for bringing that up. Yeah.

Yeah. Now that that pier is in the long run for oil. Oh, I don't know why that peer is there. Yeah. That peer is a convenient temporary. The temporary peer. Yeah. That peer is going to have not to transition, but that peer is going to have better infrastructure than a lot of infrastructure in the United States. That feels like a good point to insert a really effortless and cohesive

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Just one, I think. Welcome back. We were talking about talking about talking about. We're talking about. We didn't mention. I don't know. I don't need to mention this. This is from a long time ago. I keep thinking about Joe Biden

sitting out loud at a press conference that we shouldn't trust the death count there. And then privately feeling bad for it and it being reported that he privately felt bad. It's one of the most disgusting things he has done. Publicly doubt that number and then not doing anything about it. bad. It's one of the most disgusting things he has done. Yeah. Publicly doubt that number and then not doing anything about it. But that's I just I don't know why I brought that up. And then he publicly acknowledged at the death count,

because he said earlier this month on MSNBC, we can't have another 30,000 Palestinians dead. So he's acknowledging that it's at least 30,000. I think I think it's like at least 32,000, but obviously, like, how do you even quantify this? This is. Yeah. So but so he's definitely like never publicly said I was wrong to say that. But it's just in his behavior slightly for sure. It's just like I can't I just can't believe he said that out loud. It's funny. It's like

Olivia Pope in the background being like, and we're gonna leak you're upset. It's like these leaks are so Okay, and this one you think Netanyahu's a real asshole What you need to do is stand on your shit and just be like yeah, look here's the thing I'm a Zionist and it is what it is. Yeah, I Have to help the whites. It's like just be real like at this point I just can't with these leaks where they're like, no, no, no, like Ice cream So

I would have ran up and smacked ice cream out of his hand and be like do you not understand what is happening right now? That's what I thought like yeah, I guess like get that shit out of his hand But then I think I've said it on this show specifically, but I'm saying it again I think they keep him I think the sugar keeps him focused a little bit like they let him have the sugar a little bit like they let him have the sugar. He doesn't get irritable and he doesn't get irritable. He doesn't know somebody to push ups. I'm being a just against Biden right now because he does that shit. And that area was was unfortunate, too, because it's like, well, a like

what's going on in the world. And you're like doing this little Seth Meyers bit with your ice cream. Yeah. So like that. But that was like what he was doing. It was like some weird Seth Meyers, like ice cream bit. And then someone's like, hey, talk about the tragedy overseas. And he has to. So it's like, what do you do when you have ice cream home to somebody else? Wait, what? I don't answer the question.

Somebody if I'm in that, if I'm Joe Biden and I'm in that situation and it becomes that or let me address the war crime I'm doing that, if I'm Joe Biden and I'm in that situation, and it becomes that. Or let me address the war crime I'm doing after I shoot this. Oh, yeah, put the ice cream down. Absolutely. Exactly. I thought you meant he gave it, he took it from someone else. I was like, wait, hold on. How did I miss that?

Scandal. Boy. Also, I wouldn't have believed it, though, because I'm not surprised by anything anymore. You know? Yeah, he'd be like, listen, fat, and he'd take it from the computer. Oh, gosh. OK, well, there are a few other things that have happened this week. Also horrifying. Jonathan, why don't you tell us about the Baltimore Bridge collapse? I'm sure we all know.

But what did the what did the minorities do to our bridge? Well, let's get to that. Tell them. I can actually answer that. So we gave all our money to kill them. And so there's no actual like money to spend on infrastructure in this country or regulations for maintenance on these bridges that were built in the 70s that should not still just be standing without literally my father as an engineer.

We talked about this yesterday. So this is interesting. These are bridges that need to be checked daily. That'll never happen. So if that just weekly, they need to have divers going down and making sure because of the, you know, there's mineral in these waters that do eventually are able to break through. They erode.

And of course, it erodes and you know, there's epoxy in these bridges. But this bridge was built so long ago that it's like the maintenance needs to be there. There is no money for maintenance or at least we're not spending that money on maintenance. And that's sort of the biggest problem in this country. And also bridges in the East Coast aren't built, you know, to withstand that sort of that level of barge hitting it. Unlike, you know, bridges in California, which are built to withstand earthquakes. So it's very like, let's get your dad on the call too. Can we get, I'm joking. Um, I, I'm curious. I want to set up in case there's anybody that does

not fault. It's the Palestinians. This is all because we have to spend so much money on killing them. There's no. Like there's no money left. There's no money. Cops need money. Israel needs money. Teachers don't get money and neither do the money. Yeah, I want to set up with this story is just in case somebody doesn't know what we're talking about because to be clear listeners, I was alluding to the right wing reaction to this.

Which was a new listener to this bridge disaster. And you listening to this podcast just got so confused. You did. So let me just set you up real quick. 984 foot long cargo ship crashed into a pillar of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday, causing the entire, I didn't mean to laugh there, it was an unbelievable thing to witness.

If you haven't seen the videos, check it out Causing it caused the entire bridge to collapse very quickly Right before the crash. The cargo ship was sending a mate said they lost power And propulsion they issued a mayday call so it allowed the officials to stop the flow of the traffic on the bridge but there were six construction workers who were working on the bridge and they are all now presumed dead and two people were rescued. So what Cody was referencing was that immediately online, it became a conversation about DEI.

Immediately people were talking about how, you know, the mayor of Baltimore is black and the port of Baltimore has a black commissioner. And, you know, it immediately goes to this disgusting place. And there's lots of other things that have been thrown around about why this happened. But you do bring up a good point about infrastructure in general. And I'm curious about, I mean, what kind of a bridge would withstand a 984 foot long ship crashing into it. But you're right about the maintenance, and this is something that I've been aware of a little bit more recently. I met somebody up in the mountains. I recently moved to the mountains. I did it. I worked it in.

You did. And he's an iron welder and he's the only one working on the Golden Gate Bridge. Wow. And like he's out there like, I mean, maybe he's exaggerating, but like there is not much. It makes me, it made me nervous. Do you bringing this up right now and talking about your dad? Did remind me that like, yeah, there's, that is something that we take for granted that our bridges are structurally sound but I am curious what

Bridge would maybe one built in California for earthquake does your dad believe that? Like a different with this bridge with different maintenance Have been able to withstand this kind of a crash or is it it just unknown? I don't think he... It's such a peculiar circumstance, but I think he says that bridge was built in the 70s. It doesn't have the same tech that a bridge like the Bay Bridge has, which has sensors built within it. So if even anything is happening with that bridge, like your Caltrans or whoever is alerted, the toll workers are alerted immediately

to stop traffic. So like that sort of tech, I don't believe existed within the bridge in the Baltimore because it was built in the seventies. He did also tell me, he said the Golden Gate needs to be. He said that bridge was built in like the thirties. That's gotta be rebuilt or completely sort of, I don't know. Of course he's retired,

but he also was doing a bunch of like, uh, calls. He took a bunch of calls because of his time at Caltrans to talk about these bridges and he's like, or Golden Gate is, uh, yeah. I mean, look, I don't know if this guy is the only person working on it, but there's not many. And, uh, he did say like, you'd be shocked. And I was like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. No bridge is made with the idea that what if a ship hits this bridge? You know what I mean? So I think that's it was just that video is terrifying.

That's like it is a nightmare. It is so scary. I cannot imagine what people experienced. And the people on the ship. I mean, what a truly horrifying thing to go through. I want to say I'm very surprised that there haven't been more casualties. I am impressed with how quickly they responded to stopping the traffic. That I think we can acknowledge, unless there's more people missing that we don't know about that were on the bridge. But like, that feels astounding to me.

But some of the other conspiracies that have been thrown out. Jonathan, do you want to walk us through these? Oh, sure. There's a whole bunch. So we know DEI initiatives are responsible for the bridge collapsing that was said by a Republican congressman who's running for governor of Utah, former Florida congressman and current candidate Anthony Sabatini. Barack Obama did it because the boat was headed to Sri Lanka and the Sri Lankan flag has a lion on it and the boat that crashes at the beginning of Leave the World Behind that Obama produced was called the White Lion. So just connect the dots there.

You saw that movie or did you see that conspiracy? That tweet. That tweet, oh. Conspiracy. I saw the movie, so. And the movie, unfortunately, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately. The movie's just like, Obama's like, in this movie, I want you to put a ton of clues

about the stuff I'm going to do, hide the reasons why, but like I'm just peppering in there the clues. You can't do like international espionage or whatever it is Obama's doing without putting clues in Netflix movies with Julia Roth. I mean, remember, he was just spotted going into Downing Street. What was he doing? Planning more clues. International war crimes. We never actually heard anything about that, did we? After he went over there?

We didn't. What was he doing? Actually, it was like and here's my idea. Kate has cancer, right? Oh! So look, we say this, right? But did you see the video of the ring going on and off her finger? Let me just tell you, this palace doesn't have a chance. This is just too deep.

Every day is like a new level of conspiracy for the Kate thing. But there's a video that analyzes that video that was her saying, I have cancer. And like there's a slow mo moment where you see her ring on her finger disappear and then come back. So I'm going to have to look into this. I have this wet right over my head. So it's like when they thought they got it all figured out. The Internet was like a peruvian actually.

I'm sorry but ridiculous also the the border okay did it this was we want to play this clip Maria Bartiromo was interviewing Florida Senator Rick Scott on Fox News and they're just talking about the bridge and then she, but of course you've been talking a lot about the potential for wrongdoing or the potential for foul play, given the wide open border. And then just asks him about the border.

This is so funny. This is, everybody's doing this. The right is, dare I say, in disarray. They may fucking win the election this year, but it is pathetic since this happened every single time anything happens. Because and this like this example is all over the place. And I think a perfect example of it because so many of these conspiracy theories, they're not even saying it happened. They're just saying, let's talk about this. There's this Dave Rubin clip where he's like,

and you know, like it's a really, really bad thing. We gotta start hiring a really good people. And you know, with all the woke stuff going on, and I'm not saying it was that, I'm just bringing it up. And then he moves on. It's like literally just like they have to bring up a thing that could be the cause of it so they can talk about it, but they're not explicitly saying it. Like this border thing. What's he saying? They have to bring up a thing that could be the cause of it

so they can talk about it, but they're not explicitly saying it, like this border thing. What's he saying? He's not saying the border did it. He's just saying, I wanna talk about this. So it's like, we say DEI, we say the border, we say what, Russell Brand has a new exciting video out,

and the title is Baltimore Bridge Collapse, Cyber Attack, Black Swan event, all the theories. He's just it's just all of them. But like his like angle obviously isn't like it's not all of these. It's like it could be any of them. It could be all of them. It's just like there's no. Like reason that will satisfy them that can't be like their little pet project, their little racism, whatever they want to do when it's just like, yeah, like maintenance and infrastructure and like regulation and like all the things and like cutting corners, all the things that we know go on.

But they have to be like, actually, it's because the mayor of Baltimore is black. Yeah, it's just disgusting. Or an intentional attack to start World War III. Oh, that's the border being open is why the parts of planes fall out of skies from Boeing. It's all connected and not just the obsession with capitalism and making money and creating more product and ignoring sort of regulations to get the product out faster so you can make more money and then spend that money on Israel. It's like, ah, that's all it feels like.

And then they're like, but the border. And you're like, I don't think they actually. HR departments are to blame for here. I think the majority of them don't actually think what they're saying is sellable, but I think they're just trying to associate a terrible thing and just like push something up so people can start to hate it. I think that's, and it works. It's just associating with the words that all the key trigger words. Yes, they're triggered by these ideas and concepts and you know,

you lump them all together in a sentence into some little words. In the context of a tragedy. In the context. But let's not politicize things, y'all. Let's not politicize this tragedy. But DEI is to blame. And this has major impacts for Baltimore for, I mean, shipping traffic for just commuters for the East Coast, I would imagine in general. Like, yeah, Buddha Judge has to get to work.

It's a real, oh, you're right. He's got to respond to all those tweets now. God, I was gonna say, what did I see? So I say, I have to do his job. Yeah, that bridge. My dad said they won't be able to get that bridge back up until 2026. Probably like it's gonna be a long time. So I'm sure that actually sounds kind of like it's gonna be a long time so I'm sure that

actually sounds kind of I mean that's a long time take your time if you gotta like make that bridge really really good cut corners you know I do think there's like an expectation because something happened in Philadelphia I think think, last year. And within two weeks, the entire roadway was back again. But this is a bridge. It's a bridge. I don't know. But this is just all over water, over miles of water. I think I don't know that that's why it would take longer.

But it seems to be a fundamental structural difference. They have to completely redesign the bridge. That's going to take the most time for them to create a really structurally sound bridge, so this wouldn't happen again. Because now they know that this is an option. It's like... Yeah. I think what I was gonna say is just,

I need people, the people that think it's okay to give money to the cops or Israel or whatever, I think I want them to get angry and be like, this, I want to fix this. You know what I mean? Like, I hope some people look at that and be like this. I want to fix this. You know what I mean? Like I hope some people look at that and be like, we actually have a problem. Yeah. Even though they should have done that like with a billion other things.

But I don't know. Yeah. Well, sitting in traffic will help. Yeah, exactly. Well, because I mean, so many people and again, this is very like in the right wing sort of on the internet, but like, they will bring up infrastructure. And but it's always in the context of like, we're, we're not doing infrastructure because we're wasting time on on racism or like something. It's always in this sort of combative relationship with whatever it is they don't like. So like, it's they don't actually care,

they don't want to spend money on these projects. They don't want to create jobs for is, they don't like so like it's they don't actually care. They don't want to spend money on these projects they don't want to create jobs for people they don't want to do any of these things because Yeah, they just don't care. Yeah, we're like wasting time with identity politics that the left is doing and bringing all the time actually And it's like do at all. Yeah, so, you know when something like this happens They're not gonna allow themselves to be like we should probably spend money on these things There's gonna be like we spent too much money on hiring the wrong kind of people for this or whatever Yeah, I want people I want the people to get mad that vote I guess or the people that like just I want for sure Yeah, I want us to all get mad because there's no change. It's gonna happen from the top. That's impossible

But if we're a mob, I don't know There's just hoping there's hoping a mob. There's hoping a mob. An angry mob? I'm always angry. Ideally an angry mob, yeah. A very calm mob. Just politely asking for a nice thing. Yeah, just a reasonable mob. An organized mob.

A flash mob, if you will. Oh god. Dance our way to progress. If you kick high enough, they'll listen. And we've got just a few more minutes, so what the heck. Let's talk about one more story. What did Diddy do, you guys? Where is Diddy?

Where did he go? Yeah, Diddy. Bye bye, Cotton Eye Joe song. Diddy do, you guys? Where is Diddy? Where did he go? Yeah, Diddy. That's like Cotton Eye Joe song. Diddy did. Diddy did. Where did he go? So Diddy's homes in Los Angeles and Miami were searched this week by Homeland Security agents

in conjunction with a federal sex trafficking investigation. Over the last few months, Diddy has been accused from many people of coercion, sexual assault, physical abuse, and threats. People are on the record saying that he held drug-fueled sex trafficking parties with underage girls. A number of women have come forward accusing Diddy of rape going back to the early 90s. So he's in a lot of trouble. And this week, while the raid was going on, Diddy was seen pacing around the Miami airport. And then people online tracked his private jet from Miami to Antigua, which is an extradition country. So he'd want to go somewhere else if he

indeed was on that plane. However, sources told the LA Times that Diddy remains in the US and is vowing to fight all the accusations. He has not yet been charged with any crime, but no one really... How did he remain? We don't know where he is, though. He probably isn't in the United States, right? He's probably in Antigua or beyond, right? Yeah, I would assume so.

How do you stop being able to get tracked? I think you can request your plane, your private plane to not be- When you're being chased by the feds? Cause I, well, I think that the systems that track these things are not, you know, like I think the thing just disappears. So he could have gone from Antigua to Ecuador, say if he was on that plane.

But he still has to communicate with flight control, right? Or like the airports and because you can't just fly into airspace without reporting that you're flying into that airspace, because if they find like a random rogue plane, they're going to be like, sir. You need to reveal who you are. Yeah, I did. Did you express you did it? But again, it's like, yeah, right.

I agree with that. And but a private request. OK, obviously did he requested. Hey, bro, can you I don't want to get tracked. I'm I did all these crimes. I'm being chased for my crimes. Yeah. And they're like, oh, sure. No problem. I feel like people like that have a plan in case they get caught.

Yeah. I think you'd have to. Yeah. There's a reason he was pacing in the Miami airport. Right. I love that they caught that, by the way. I love that he was pacing in the airport like, I know. Yeah. There's a thing about this whole story because I'm sure we'll talk about it in the future again. It sounds like he did some horrific stuff. Yeah. And should be like in prison for all these horrific things he did. And got away with for and got away with for so long.

So I guess we can like take a moment. I think it's very funny that he left. We don't get stories like this often where like a guy's like, I did those fucking crimes. I got a go. Like a cartoon. Like a very, like a very public, like I'm out of here. Instantly, instantly just fucking left. And I, then that's something we don't always get, but he should pay for, uh, for what he's done. Um, clearly.

And we'll get into the more serious stuff again in the future. But it's that brief period where we can be like, he just fucking got on a plane and left. What? Didn't he create bad boy records? Yeah, right. I mean, he's apparently telling us this whole time, y'all. He's dropped. Y'all, this is a new thing. I have to stop. He's apparently dropped all his like ownership is a new thing I have to stop. He's apparently dropped all his like ownership rights off like all his companies. I mean

like I think here's the thing you can't be that rich and not be tipped off unfortunately it just is what it is. You know if they're coming to raid your house it's just how it goes but I don't I don't know I think he's been working towards trying to I mean especially since was it Cassie who sued him in the end? Yeah, is that Cassie the artist who sued him for assault and I think as soon as that like he settled that case in like 24 hours, I'm sorry. So and I say you're like, oh, okay It's okay shit's coming out like he settled that shit and then started immediately coming out like he settled that shit and then started immediately trying to like take his name off certain things to like release I mean like the work behind the

scenes that Diddy's been doing is a the work of a guilty man yeah to be able to step away exactly yeah they're coming your time is limited start dropping all those shares start releasing your name off the ownership records, and all of a sudden you're like on a plane. Because then you gotta go. I guess last weekend he was backstage at a show, he was trying to talk to Kanye, yay, sorry, and he was like, nah. Yeah, he's been talking shit about him for a while now too, so.

Yeah, he has. Well, anyway. They should, instead of DHS tracking him, they should get TMZ on it, because they're much more likely to know where he is. They've got places where- Absolutely. They got his inside, yeah. Wherever Diddy has stashed cash, like around the world, TMZ should be there.

They're on it, yeah. This is your time to shine, TMZ. Yeah, all other times stop. You're a little much. Yeah, but this time, shine on you. Go for it. Crazy Diamond. Sorry, I was quoting something, I had to use the word.

Okay, I think we've done it. We've arrived at the end of our episode. Thank you so much for joining us today, to both of you. This was a very heavy conversation and we're grateful that you took the time to have it with us. Thanks. Yes, thank you for having us. Would you like to share where people can find you online if you'd like or not? Maybe you don't want people to find you. I'm at sellinghostnia on Instagram. I don't really use my twitter anymore, but yeah, you can follow me on instagram if you'd like Uh, i'm at shiro hero on instagram

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