Some More News - Even More News: Kamala Harris and Donald Trump Debate – Eating Pets, Abortion Access, & Taking The Bait

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

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Welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast and I'm fairly confident the only show putting out a reaction as fast as we're putting it out am I right? I think we're the only show. Especially since there's no other shows. Yeah, I think we're the only show putting out a reaction as fast as we're putting it out. Am I right? I think we're the only show. Especially since there's no other shows. Yes, I think we're the only show. Who else could be doing it? I'm Katie Stoll. Hi, Katie.

Hi. I'm Cody Johnston. Cody Johnston. Jonathan, also here. If that's what I know about him. Always. Hi. Hello. There he is. Here he is. Cheers, y'all. Cheers to America. America. Here if that's what I know about him always I hello there is Cheers y'all cheers to America

America the brave and the bolds and the beautiful and the batshit a little housekeeping Eagle-eyed viewers will notice that this podcast episode Even more news is coming out before some more news this week. And that is because we had ourselves a debate, y'all. And now we're going to record our show tonight, Tuesday. So, yeah, we are. Don't worry. Some more news will be coming out this week. Yes, it will. It is prepared. It'll probably be a bit of a companion to this particular episode of the podcast

because we kind of discussed the DNC and the vibes of it all. He's saying probably, but that is what will be happening later this week. Yeah, I know what we filmed and wrote and filmed and edited and will be releasing. I do too. It is exactly what I just described. Before we get into it,

we all have a beverage this evening. That's true. We all decided that we would enjoy our own beverage, debate-themed beverage. Gotta enjoy something. Gotta enjoy something. And that we would save our drink for the show. So boys, please, I'm dying to know,

what have you been enjoying all evening? Well, I made a tropical mixture of rum and pineapple mango juice. And I gave it a couple different names. I call it a pina, whatever makes sense. And the late great Hannibal nectar. Oh, very good. Very good. Sounds delicious.

That does sound delicious. A nice glass of canter. It's very refreshing. Refreshing. In this hot, hot room. Sounds delicious. That does sound delicious. Very refreshing. Refreshing. I'm having a whisk shee sour. Okay. Snaps.

Good job. Thank you Cody. You're welcome. Katie wait. Thank you. Okay. Wait a little more. You thank me too. You thank me? Thanks?

You're welcome. You. It's called being an ally, and I think that's the perfect way to do it. Whisk cheese sour. I curled up inside a little bit. But that's just from the sour. Because it's so nice and warm in there.

Yeah, and it's warm in there. That was really good. What are you having? Thank you! I'm just waiting for... What are you having? Yeah, and it's warm in there. Um, that's really good. We haven't thank you What are you having I'm calling this cocktail riding vibes That's like more of a general debate thing. This is a standard vodka soda, but with a whole bunch of frozen berries in my mushroom glass that was given to me as a birthday present from my friend Eli, who is also a fan of the show.

Eli Musk? Eli Musk. No, that's Elon. Eli, you like Eli. I know. Eli, if you're listening, I'm so sorry. Oh, I've been saying it long, so long. He's going to be horrified.

I know. I'm so sorry. Everybody apologize to Eli, I guess. I'm sorry. Well, we did it, y'all. We had another debate. I mean, we specifically, we all had that debate. We watched it, yeah.

We definitely watched it. We watched it together. This one felt much better than the last one. She didn't do the thing. She didn't do the thing that he did. She didn't do the, she had- Which was like, lose your train of thought and stare off into the space for 30 seconds. And he did the thing that he does. He did the thing that he did. She didn't do that. She had like loser train of thought and stare off into the space for 30 seconds.

And he did the thing that he does. He did the thing that he does. Yeah, exactly. And I do think that the main story of this evening is that he did the thing that he does. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like, you know, she didn't do spectacularly. He did exactly what you would expect.

We get into this again in our other episode of the show Later this week a lot of stuff She said was like fine and a lot of it was like frustrating to see and a lot of it was like Oh, so the same same as it ever was same as it ever was same as it ever was sorry God's Israel stuff was like not Helpful to hear it was nothing new.. It was just platitude after platitude, saying basically nothing. And you know, yeah, like even some answers she gave

were like, well, that's not what they asked. You definitely prepared this specific thing to say. She didn't get rattled by him, which is in terms of what I think a lot of people on the other side might be looking for, would be to see her get rattled by him in some capacity. So she definitely held her own up there. But yeah, I still feel very blah about.

Yeah, I mean even like, you know, when we talk about like, don't talk about like what you've done, talk about what you're gonna do. But even like the first question was about like, are you better off? And it seemed like a really great opportunity at the very, very beginning to preempt sort of like what he's going to say

and actually like talk about like, well, we did this, we did this, we did this, we started from the pandemic and now we're here and like jobs, unemployment, all this kind of stuff. But she kind of like talked really vaguely about like what she kind of would do and how like this idea of like an opportunity economy, which I'm sure we'll hear a lot of more in the future.

It's a nice phrase. Yeah, it's a good, it's a solid phrase. It also stops a lot of the, I guess, the anti-woke people about opportunity of outcome. She's not saying an outcome economy, it's an opportunity economy. So yeah, it's fine, but I kind of wish at the beginning she was like, yeah, this is how we started

and here's where we're ending. So yes, you're better off than when we got elected. Right. But that's like, you know. Like, I would love to see a politician be able to say, like, I understand that you are hurting at home. I understand that I am paying attention to that. It's hard to see it sometimes,

but look, maybe that's a waste of words, but that energy at all, like, like and like instead of just blowing past Even the concept that people have had a hard time and like I know we all have our different thoughts But at the end of the day, that's what people feel at home While they're watching this I feel like I did I guess she kind of did but I feel like this debate Or what she intended to do with the debate was not really for us. She came in with a mission. That mission is most people have made up their minds.

There is a sliver of undecided voters who are either Trump or nobody, and there's a sliver of undecided voters who are either Kamala Harris or nobody. And I think she wanted to win some of those people on one side who are gettable to vote for her and let Trump do his thing so that the people that he could lose, that he would lose, who maybe forgot what that was all about. And I think she did that job. She set trap after trap for him. Like she ran the same play seven or eight times and he like she was Lucy with the football

every single time and He tried to he kicked it every time he flew in the air every time She baited him with Central Park five and he took it. She I mean the she baited him on crowd sizes He don't yeah that one so one. So I agree with you guys. It's not like I heard every policy platform I want to hear. But I think she came in saying, here's what I need to do to move the needle a little bit more and stop these poles from maybe slipping

and attack this thing. Yeah, like you said, it's not for us. Well, yeah, I just have two minds. And I think that that's going to be the story of this entire process for me, where it's like, I see that I hear you. I understand that I have different inputs as to what I think would move the needle for those undecided voters. But I'm not claiming to be right about that or knowing because I think anybody

who's saying that they're positive about any outcome is a real idiot. But at the same time, every time we have an event where we're watching her speak, where we're watching the DNC, the interview, it's like I'm making that excuse. And when we talk about the opportunity economy, that's like one of the main takeaways I've got from this whole evening. There are other things of course, but that was like the big one. And I'm like, that's not a bad thing to talk about.

And I think that those are some good specifics, a $6,000 child tax credit. I love that, that's wonderful. Incentivizing small businesses, incentivizing first time home buyers, I love all of that, but I do just kind of let down in general, not let down, I want to be really careful with my words. I just feel ignored, maybe. Yeah, well, that's, I mean, that that's that's the that's the deal. That's the deal you have to make. I also acknowledge that she did a great job just to everything

Jonathan said she was Lucy with the football pulling the football. There was one moment where this was highlighted for me. She Lucy with a footballed him, but also in the context of answering a direct question of why did you guys take the immigration bill? Because when I bring that up in conversations with people that disagree with me, they're like, you're just falling for the line that this was all a political move in, you know,

and I'm like, okay, tell me the reason why it's not a political move in service of the election. Just give me any explanation. But he was really distracted. When he was asked that pointed question, he was not, he didn't respond. He was distracted by a, I'm pretty sure, crowd size. Probably.

Taunt. Yeah. And so while it was effective, I really wanted to hear whatever that answer was. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's, I think, it's a trouble with him specifically. Debates generally because it's hard to lock people down on specific questions because they have their preparation, the things that they want to say. With him specifically, you do want to distract him and make him look like a weirdo because it's

easy and fun and hopefully effective. But also you want him to have to have his feet put to the fire and have him actually ask these questions and be like when he does go off the rails or doesn't address it, have the response be, be okay but the question was this. Why did you tank that? Is a and like why do you influence the the party to to tank it is a question that should have an answer at some point. But I think you've got your answer Katie because that is his answer. Yes exactly. We all know we talked about this a week or two ago we all know why he did it of course it's the political thing. But that is still, he didn't, yeah,

maybe he would have found some other thing to latch on to, to worm out of the answer, but those are, but I wanna see him deal with that moment, but anyway. But I guess I'm just curious like how that would even affect, because like I very much sympathize with like your your this plight of yours where you're like yeah like talking to people and they're like but that's why do you it's because of the pet eating or whatever they say and not being able and to just be like yeah he's lying he clearly this is what this was for. I don't know what answer he would give

that would convince them of either. You know what I mean? Like- I'm not even trying to convince anybody in this pursuit. I give up on that. You just want him to answer the question. Like answer the question. Like on TV here,

be confronted with this question that is a valid question. It's a very valid question. He should be asked all the time until he answers it. It wasn't just me, right, that he brought up. I mean, I knew he was going to because it's like his strong issue or whatever, but like he, I think, went to that border immigration well, a little bit too much. Like the whole night. Every answer. Oh, yeah. Like every answer. Oh yeah.

Like irrelevant stuff. He did last time too though. Yeah and I guess we were just distracted by the train wreck. I mean I remember it but there was another story that loomed large that evening. And this is another thing I think before we even play this clip is that if you're not in the like,

right, like most Americans are probably not aware of what's been going on the last few days about how there was this rumor that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio were like stealing people's cats and eating them and JD Vance spread this thing and it was clearly like one one American woman who like allegedly did that from some video that was being shared but it's actually like the thousands of Haitians that live there is who's doing the eating of the cats and it's only been like a day and a half really it's like if you think about like a week i was like he brought it up and i was like how could you pause like how would you because it's on truth social and he thinks that's what everyone's talking about so it's this gibberish nonsense and they're just all being

racist but like he's bringing it up in this debate to an audience on ABC News as if it's a thing that like my mom or your mom or anyone's mom would know about. And look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States and a lot of towns don't want to talk. All over. It's not gonna be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what's happening in our country,

and it's a shame. As if he cares about pets. Oh yeah, the guy who's like, yeah, they beat the crap out of him like a dog. They treated him poorly like a dog. Yeah, that guy really cares about them. The lully ones do not have a pet. Oh, yeah.

They don't care for animals in that family. Mr. Biden's dogs are pretty vicious. At least Biden had a bunch of violent dogs. Violent, violent dogs. He had a bunch of dogs that tried to eat people. Yeah, at least Biden had a bunch of violent dogs. Violent, violent dogs. He had a bunch of dogs that tried to eat people. Yeah, at least he had a bunch of poorly trained violent dogs instead of no dogs at all. Like a normal American.

Yeah, exactly. And there's nothing, like there's no, we have the whole, every time we do an episode about this, we have the moral panics episode we talk about, well, it starts with this kernel of truth and then blows up from here. There's nothing here. There's nothing here.

They're just being racist. And JD Vance did it and then uh today he tweeted out like well uh maybe uh it might not be happening but it but the fact is that fact that you believe it because of the thing like and then keep sending your cat memes i we can't we can't keep going like this we can't have this guy who's trying to be the vice president just be tweeting like, based, send your cat memes for the meme war. We can't do this. We can't let this happen.

We can't have a based poster be the vice president. It's unpleasant. And he also is wrong in a lot of places, but it's so unpleasant. And like based. No, stop it, JD. It would be great. Maybe we could split up president and vice president and just make that. There's two jobs.

There's one person to do the policy thing and to be the boring policy person. And then the other person to go on the debate stage and just laugh when the candidate says they're eating all the dogs and cats. They're eating all the dogs and cats and pets. So what are you supposed to say to that? I mean you laugh, right? That's all she could do. Yeah. Like what, like. She gave great reactions all evening.

She did. She knew that she would have to. And she was on camera. She gave great reaction. Do you think she- Frank Luntz put out a tweet that was slightly sexist. It was, on content, Harris is winning. Visually, she's hurting herself. Beg it to differ, sir. Frank, shut up. He's our guest next week though.

Oh, welcome to the show for Frank Luntz. Welcome to the show, Frank Luntz. We have questions for you. What's your opinion? Frank, what's the most evil poll you've ever done? Well, there are so many to choose from. How could I? Do you think that people were really, really

thrilled to find out that people at Goldman Sachs think that Trump would be bad for the economy. Do you think they heard Harris say that? Like wow I didn't know that. Goldman Sachs, you know the people who paid Hillary Clinton $100,000 for a speaking gig? I swear there were sometimes like obviously any Gaza stuff is like... But there were a few times she would throw in stuff like that. I was like, actually, Goldman Sachs loves me. America? Yeah. You think that's good? We're good? All right.

Like the fracking? Like fracking stuff. It's just like every primary, it's like, I hate fracking. I want to bury fracking. Let's shoot fracking into the sun. And then's like, I hate fracking. I want to bury fracking. Let's shoot fracking into the sun. And then general election, I love fracking. I'll frack here. I'll drill into the thing.

I'll drink your milkshake. I don't care. I'll use my gun, which I own, to do the fracking. Yeah, my gun that I own. She did get the values, the changing question. Like, you know, your values change. Yeah. The best answer she could have given is like, you know, your values changing. Yeah, the best answers you could have given is like, yeah, I'm a politician, move on.

Yeah, I was running for a primary then, I'm running in a general election now, but now it was better than the Federman answer about fracking. Which was not an answer. Which was not an answer, and I guess in fairness to Federman, he had recently had a stroke. Like, Kade, your point, like it's just it is a little, you know, it's it's they're they're playing what we all wanted, which is generic Democrat.

I didn't want that. Well, I know. I know. But you know what I mean? Don't include me. Instead of Biden, the best candidate is generic Democrat. And it seems like that's really what they're going for, which is just like, yeah, Goldman Sachs loves me, and I own guns too. But also, we need to give everybody the opportunity to have health care and all the things.

So it's very middle of the road. And I would also like what you were talking about earlier, like to have her say, hey, you know, I understand you're struggling for this reason or this reason. Maybe we don't respond to the people as much as we should. All the things that you'd want somebody to say, that would be nice.

I don't think that's in the cards for this particular candidate or this particular election, unfortunately. Although, we did get Trump to call her a Marxist. So that was fun. And that was in the first five minutes. Really?

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this one just wasn't very exciting. Fell flat. I agree. Thank you. Felt flat. I was like, there were not, we're not asking any of, either of them to step down as the candidate.

Nothing dramatic like that. Nobody, nobody like just stopped talking for way too long. There was no firing debates about golf. Yeah, it's like it and it seems to it seems to I haven't checked the discourse. It seems to have ended without either side asking their candidate to step down and then having to force them to step down after they say they'll only step down if God intervenes.

And I think that that's just a huge disappointment. In terms of modern presidential debates, this was very uneventful. Like I would say, in terms of modern presidential debates, this was the least eventful of all of them in the modern era Which I've been to there have been two of them. Yeah, but this was by far the least eventful What else stood out to us? What else jumped out tonight? Caldera Marxist he tried to say that Tim Walls was weird too. Yeah, he did like forgot about it

He was like I should mention Tim Walls. He too, but then he like forgot about it. He was like, I should mention Tim Walls. He didn't use the word weird. I forget the phrasing. He said he's really out of it. Really out of it. I jotted that one down. Yeah, he's out of it. That's right, Donald.

He's out of it. That's so desperate. That was as he started to, she really started to get under his skin around that moment where he started pulling out stuff and it's like, okay. I was glad she did call out. She's like, you know, you're not debating Joe Biden up on this stage that was nice that was good there were a few moments like where she said some things that we were for weeks have been like she should just say this point this out did he say

that she didn't know joe biden didn't know the gentleman is what i wrote down. He said she doesn't even know him. And that he hates her. And that he hates her. So which one is it? Oh, concepts of a plan. That was a fun moment for us all. I think we could relish in that. Now, when he was president, he was

about to announce a health care plan in two weeks, I think he said, in 2017 or something. And then just never did. And so he's been developing this like plan that'll change everything. The master plan. Yeah. Yes or no, you still do not have a plan.

I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now, but if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future. Bullshit.

You're going to hear about it. You're going to hear about it. Eight years in the making. Oh my gosh. I mean, that felt really embarrassing to me because he obviously looks like he's caught. But who's to say how that? Whenever he doesn't know what he's talking about or what to say, he's going to say, yeah, we've got concepts of a plan and you'll be hearing about it within a few weeks.

He said that at the very beginning. Again, eight years ago. You want it before you go to a f***ing debate. I'll have it. It's so funny to be like, well, I'm a president now. You were and you are running for president running for your obviously yeah, you're running for president. So you should think about this stuff. You were the president. So you should have thought about this. I'm not going to do that work unless I'm elected. You spent

at least half a year trying to repeal Obamacare and replace it with literally nothing. What is your deal, man? We could talk about the moderators as well, by the way, because the right-wing reaction to this is that this is all ABC News' fault for fact-checking him, but not her. It was so mild.

Even the fact, like the fact that they did do sometimes, like, oh good, they finally said something. Yeah, they said you lost the election when he said he won it. They said that you lost the election and you can't kill a baby. They said it's not legal to kill a baby, is what they said. I do think that they pressed him on more hard questions than her.

He's a more frequent liar. He is a more frequent liar. That is the other side of it. But you could press her a bit more on some things. I think that that's true. But these are the bigger issues. So it's tough. I know, and we're always chasing this semblance of fairness.

You don't need to, like, if he lies more, you're gonna have to fact check him more. There's not a quota where like, we gotta make sure to fact check 10 of each of their statements. Well, he's gonna have 10 in the first five minutes and she's gonna have 10 maybe the whole time. Is that equal treatment or is that overweighting one side because one is a huge pathological

liar? I'd also plug real quick our episode this week that will come out in a day or two. It is also about a lot of this where you're kind of over waiting this one side and trying to over overly fact check the Democrats, for example, because you know that he's going to go up on stage and say that they're eating cats and dogs. But meanwhile, Trump got more speaking time. He spoke for more than five minutes more than Kamala Harris did. Forty two minutes, 52 seconds to 37 minutes, 36 seconds. He really used those minutes well. Yes, Harris did. 42 minutes 52 seconds to 37 minutes 36 seconds.

He really used those minutes well. Yes he did. Well people could say that that benefits her but he did get to talk he got five minutes more microphone time and that's what he decided to do with it. Let me see if this has a bunch of what we're looking for in here where they talked about race or they asked Trump about race and I think credit to them for asking this question. Most people would say like, well, we're not going to touch that. That's beneath. I want to move on now to race and politics in this country. Mr. President, you recently said a Vice President Harris quote, I didn't know she was black

until a number of years ago When she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black what I want to ask a picture question here tonight Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent? I don't and I don't care I don't care what she is. I don't care You make a big deal out of something. I couldn't care less Whatever she wants to be is okay with me, but those were out of something. I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants to be is okay with me. But those were your words. So I don't know. I don't know. I mean, all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out. And I'll say that. And then

I read that she was black. And that's okay. Either one was okay with me. That's up to her. This is what you do to that when you're her. Just be like, yep, okay, that's that guy. She put it out, what? She put it out. She put out. Did she pay politics? It's so hard to even know what he's referring to.

Well, so it could be two things, because it said that she put out, as in like she put that out, that's what she put out. Or the more misogynistic thing, where like she put that out that's what she put out or the more misogynistic thing where like she put out to get her job which is what they are saying as well so like maybe it's like double wires there or something like that but I I mean nothing about her this doesn't change I don't know how it affects people on the cusp but the conversation the conversation is that she campaigned as being Indian,

what it benefited her and she'll campaign as being black. They all do know that she's both, but they're just- She is both. Of course you would do that. Right, right. And then it's like, but why does it have to be about any of it? I'm like, I don't know. Why does it have to be about him being a fucking billionaire businessman?

Why does it have to be about anybody's fucking identity? Here I go swearing again, some people like it. But, you know. She's connecting with different voters. That is the question, that is the fucking, that is the talking point that either was satisfactorily answered to some people or horrifically answered to the rest of us. Yeah, well, so also like, you know, it's fine and good to like get to know the candidate. Interest, I mean, it's not interesting. It freshers me. I've gotten into a lot of things about this specific talking point. Like, we want to criticize Kamala about some policy thing. Okay, let's talk about that or whatever.

But this is such, it's just bullshit. She's also barely brought it up. She's barely, it's the media, it's other people, but like, just so yucky. It's also, I mean, we're three white people sitting here talking about this, but I know that there's, that that's a complicated, just being, being a mixed race identity in America alone comes with its whole subset of things that I can't even begin to wrap my mind around, you know, between being two different types of minorities. And she's both, she gets to claim both.

She can talk about her Indian heritage, she can talk about her black heritage. But he brought this on himself because he brought it up. He brought it up and then when he's asked about it, he says, I don't care. And then when Wyn read his quote and told, those are your words, he says, I don't care. And then when Wynne read his quote and told, those are your words, he says, I don't know. That's a tear, like.

Yeah, I don't know. What? Right, I mean I. He doesn't care, that's correct, but not in the way he's trying to say. He doesn't care that he says whatever and people get mad. He doesn't care that he can say whatever about a race and then everyone's mad and weird about it

and like are asking him about it and he's like, I don't know, did I say that? Does it matter who cares? He doesn't care. I'm saying that I'm echo, even that answer kind of echoes the conversations when I've pressed people about this to say like, I don't care. I just, I don't know, I think it's interesting

that I'm just saying that in terms of an answer to a lot of people, they're like, yep, that's what all this checks out to me. I would ask those people if they are satisfied with the answer, I don't care, are they satisfied with him being told what he said and him saying, I don't know, in response to a direct quote from what he said? Sure. Is that a satisfactory answer?

Uh, I'm not. Because it sounds like maybe he doesn't say anything that he thinks or remembers. I'm obviously arguing with people who are elsewhere. I'm also inflating this. This was just a thought that I had that it sparked something in me because this is a conversation I've had so many times. I'm like, yeah Yep, know how that one goes. They don't care. They should stop bringing it up so much It's just that there's not much to bring up from there. It's like it's a main thing, you know What are you talking about? We haven't talked about how we're doing transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison yet. Yeah on illegal aliens in prison yet. Yeah. There's lots of stuff like that. What did that clip say?

We're not talking about. I didn't listen to that thing. It was about, I mean, I'll play the, I just have the snippet, but they were talking, Trump was trying to paint Democrats as radical on the issue of abortion. Right. He was trying to turn the tables since the Republicans are

the ones who are, in fact, radical on it based on the way people think. Let's do this. Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison. This is a radical left liberal that would do this. And where he got that from was apparently her saying that she would support health care for inmates or whatever. health care for inmates or whatever. Health care for inmates.

But he didn't say, I mean, right, like, we can only assume that that is... That's where he's getting that. That that's, he's trying to say, yes, she would support health care for inmates, because inmates get health care because you were imprisoning them, so you gotta let them go to the doctor. So you would not make sure they go to the doctor, give them health care. And so he is extrapolating from that. Now she's gonna force transgender operations

on illegal aliens, who I hate, but we're putting, they shouldn't have those operations. We're putting them in prison and making them do this. And I'm not going to explain how I A to Z'd off that. Well, why would he explain anything ever? When you ask him about it, he says, I don't know. I mean, a few days ago, he was like, like yeah your kid goes to school and two days later they they had some surgery or whatever like he just says he knows he knows he's supposed to talk about

about transgenderism and they're forcing it on you and the surgeries all the stuff he knows he's supposed to say stuff like that so he did that I'm sure everyone heard that at home and was like, wow, I can't let Kamala Harris be the president because she wants to do transgender surgeries on immigrants in prison. I'm sure that's the kitchen table conversation going on in America. I do want to call out when she was talking about, I forget even what the context was and she mentioned his rallies now he lies about his rallies and then the question went to Trump and he was

like okay first let me respond to the rallies and he responded only about the rallies like it all kind of blends together and it's impossible to try to get a handle on it and like it's no wonder he can't remember the things he says because he says so much and doesn't it Like because there was that moment where he's like, I don't remember what I said about Kamala's race. Who knows and then David Meier read a bunch of quotes He'd said where he seemed recently to acknowledge that he had lost the 2020 election, like a couple of quotes and he gave an interview where he said, I lost by a whisker. And then at first he was like, did I, who said that? Did I say that or whatever? And then when it was like, you said that sir, he's like, well, it was sarcastic. No, I didn't,

I didn't lost. I won big or whatever. He doesn't know. Yeah. Like obviously it's easy and fun for me, I guess, to like play a bunch of clips where Trump sounds that way and be like, look at this guy. But like, right? We're almost like done an hour long podcast and we're like, let this land. He said this thing and it's like the eighth on our list to play. I know. There's just too much. It's eighth on our list to play. I know. There's just too much. It's dizzying. It's dizzying. And he wasn't even in his best form tonight. No, he's tired.

I would argue he was. You would argue he was. I mean, that's his big form. I don't know. He seemed... She got under his skin, so he was ramping up, but he was losing composure. He started off a little bit more composed. Yeah, and she started out a little bit nervous

and settled into it, I think. She did. She found her stride. Yeah, she got there. Took a few minutes. I did not like when she repeated the most lethal military. Lethal military in the world. Yeah.

Not great. Oh, she's playing the hits for, again, an audience. What's that, a again an audience well not to us, but she's not I mean other people I you know I don't you're in a bubble Katie like like like um that feels Bipartisan to me. It's a bipartisan thing that people like I know like I know that we have all of our things that we would say about it, but I would bet, not money, come on, but I would bet that most people,

the median voter hears the most lethal military, and they're like, yeah, we gotta have that. That's just what people think, I think. Like again, she's talking to people who aren't us and you feel ignored because of your beliefs and they aren't going to be necessarily represented or spoken to by a mainstream politician in either party.

I understand that, but I'm saying specifically that phrase pissed off a lot of people that she continues to not reach out to anymore. We spent a lot of time talking about Donald Trump this evening, so I am just giving air to the things that specifically bothered me. And that was a big one. Oh yeah.

Again, a lot of people that listen to this show, not all of them, but a lot of people And a lot of people that listen to this show, not all of them, but a lot of people also feel similarly very disenfranchised by this party. And I think it's important to note. Yeah, I would not disagree with that. It's just at this point, I'm like, yep. Yeah, I mean, out of all the things to repeat From the DNC speech and there were other you know things the some of the

economic plans but right like the phrases of most lethal military and then Like the debunked claims of rape on October 7. Yeah, like those kinds of key things being repeated. I Like I don't want to be like well, I guess you got to do that. Do you have to do that? You got to say that one? Oh, no, you don't have to say any of it. Yeah, you don't have to say that. You don't have to say any of it. It sucks.

To be clear, I'm not like, it's fine, it's what you got to say. It sucks. It feels beyond just ignoring a sizable chunk of the people that she's hoping to vote for. That was one of the lines of the DNC that got a lot of pushback too. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying specifically. Leaning into it.

Yeah, they're leaning in. That doesn't feel, that's what I mean by, it's hard to like, yeah, I think she held her own and she got under his skin and she taunted him in a way that distracted him and blah blah blah all of that and there were a few things but I just I especially towards the end of the evening like that I just was like damn it it's the maintaining of the status quo the maintaining of the neoliberal machine, as it were, which sucks. Hello, my precious.

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they've both he and his vice presidential candidate JD V.D. Vance, have said about abortion. He said, well, J.D. and I don't discuss it. And then he said, it doesn't matter if we talk. Yeah, well, I don't, I mean, maybe it's a different dynamic. He seems a little freaked out about the abortion questions. I think maybe we should talk. Oh yeah, I know, he knows that it's a terrible issue for him. It's why he said the thing the one day about the vote and then change his mind the next

day because he got pushback from the people that are doing it. He said something tonight that was like, I don't know, I forget what he said specifically. She's a Marxist or that he is vice presidential candidate. No, no, no, it's about this. That I was like, that is just it in a nutshell. Like, yeah, I had to do this thing, but I'm not against abortion. I just think it should be up to the states. And that is the only talking point he has to say space here.

Oh yeah, it's that it doesn't matter what he thinks. It's because the states have the power now, and that's what the thing is. It was really clearly laid out, the ramifications of what this means, practically speaking for people in those individual states. And he said like, well, look, it's going to sort itself out.

It's going to get people are voting now. He's basically saying like, it's going to get fixed. The states are going to fix it. They're all going to, people are going to be mad enough to show up and vote. But like that, first off, maybe, maybe that ultimately, certainly in some states, you can't guarantee that it's all of them, but in the meantime, people's lives are being ruined. People are dying.

People are being arrested. It's unbelievable. And it also seems like he gets let off the hook. Yeah, where he's like, well, I wouldn't say that I would sign a National abortion ban even though yes, you would It's been strongly suggested in the past and then they're like, well, well, what about what JD Vance is said? He's like, I don't talk to that Sorry who no like but you mean our no Like You mean RFK? No. Like, you know, obviously Kamala Harris is going to refer to them as Trump abortion bans

in specific states, but like, you know, the press shouldn't let him off the hook because that's kind of what they are because you did this thing and that's why you did it. That's why you put these people on there. Like it is, you know, he wants to be like, well, I believe in the exceptions. Like, well, it doesn't give a shit what you specifically believe because you put people on the Supreme Court who are going to allow, yeah.

And he said women should be punished. You said that. I know, like, fact check, while he changes his mind. He said that women should be punished for this. That is what he said. Yeah. Get it together, America. He opened this Pandora's box.

Also just, he's trying to distance himself from it. He's trying to distance himself from Project 2025. Everything. Which is very frustrating. Well, he didn't read Project 2025, but he does know that there's some good stuff in there and some bad stuff, but he didn't read it, and he's not going to read it so then you can't ask him

about it I'm intentionally not reading it so it can't permeate my brain it's good or terrible idea or bad what you think yeah it's got both I don't know what a guy oh he took credit for making all those masks too which ones the masks that don't work no we sent gowns and masks all over the world. No one's given us credit for what we did. For giving them the masks that we hate them, don't we folks? We're going to ban them, but we made them and we sent them out for everybody. I mean, yeah, there's a bunch of stuff we couldn't even talk.

I mean, he referred to, he did the same thing where he says, oh, they take the baby out and then what are we going to do with the baby? Which he was saying that the former governor of West Virginia said that, but it was a former governor of Virginia. Who didn't say that, but he's suggesting that that's the thing. Everything he did on January 6th was perfect.

This is lightning round of... Oh, they could sign a bill tomorrow. They don't need bills. Referring to the bill. They don't need bills. They could sign a bill tomorrow. They don't need bills. Referring to the bill. They don't need bills. They could sign a bill tomorrow. I like that. Oh, right. That was his reason for not backing the bill that would eventually he got to it.

Was like, well, they don't need the bill. They could just sign a bill tomorrow. That was about immigration. His answer to that. Really? It's about the immigration bill. I mean, his answer is like they could executive order do it so they don't need the bill Okay, my brain thought he was answering something else when he said that

He was probably So I'm sorry I didn't keep But again that's not answering the other part He said he'd stop both of the wars before he's even president. Yeah, that's telling. That's weird But also that's because you already have a deal with Netanyahu and he's holding out until you learned. Interesting theory there from the news. Nobody ever talks about how Russia has nuclear weapons. Yeah, you're right. Nobody's ever talked about that.

I have never heard that before. My God. Nothing ever happened because Russia had nuclear weapons. Why isn't anybody talking about the nuclear weapons in Russia? And oh, and world leaders are calling him all the time. They're calling him all the time. He's talking to them all the time is what he said. In violation of the Logan Act, question mark. Seems like it.

Add it to the list of crimes you've done. Yeah, just the fucking. I did some crimes. They call me to do crimes. Yeah, but they call me, so. The people can't buy cereal, bacon, or eggs. People can't buy cereal, bacon, or eggs. Which I assume cost money.

I haven't, I mean, God. People can't buy cereal, bacon, or eggs. Which I assume cost money. I haven't. I mean, god. Pulling out of Afghanistan was the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened in the country. I forget what he was for. He said something was the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened in the country. Yeah, the Afghanistan attack.

Whatever it was, whatever he said, it wasn't. No. I can assure you it wasn't. Promise it was not. Even if it was somewhat embarrassing, I promise you it was not what you're saying. Not the most embarrassing. Oh, he didn't say black jobs. He made sure to specify that the migrants will be taking jobs taken by African Americans

and Hispanics. Hispanics. He wanted to emphasize, I don't mean the jobs themselves are black, everyone. I mean that they're just the jobs that you have to have. He doesn't get the point at all. No. He doesn't get it at all. No, he doesn't.

He was really mad and he was like, they come up with things like what she just said, and then he continued on, I thought that was really funny. He couldn't pinpoint what she said, he forgot what she was saying. Oh, he said terror real weird. All of a sudden. He did said terror real weird. All of a sudden. He did say terror real weird.

Terror. I liked when Vice President Harris talked about the sacred Camp David. I don't give a shit about Camp David. Kamala, what are you talking about? Oh yeah, can you believe they invited those terrorists? He brought the Taliban. Oh my gosh. Taliban probably shouldn't be there.

Yeah, it's like, I don't know. I don't know. That was another moment where I was like. There have been like war criminals and butchers at Camp David. I don't know. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. That was another moment where I was like. There have been war criminals and butchers at the camp, David, I don't care. I also like his attacks on her flip-flopping, where it's like, yeah, she's a flip-flopper, and she wants to take away your guns.

And now she doesn't, so that's actually good then, right? I guess he's trying to point that you can't trust her to whatever she says, it's not what she means. I like when they brought up Project 2025. Obviously, it was funny that he said he didn't read it, and also there's good and bad stuff in there. But also he said, everybody knows what I'm going to do. What?

Great. Great campaigning. That you've got concepts in front of you. Everybody knows what I'm going to do. He's got concepts of ideas. Yeah, everybody knows what I'm going to do. What? Great, great campaigning. That he's got concepts. Everybody knows what I'm gonna do. He's got concepts of ideas. Yeah, everybody knows what I'm gonna do except for these things, which I'm working on very diligently. And I know you keep asking me about them and I know that I've said you'll get a plan in two weeks for eight years, but there'll be a plan in two weeks. And I'm gonna formulate a thought bubble and that thought bubble is gonna turn into a whisper

and it's gonna turn into an idea. And we're gonna sign that idea into law, into beautiful, beautiful law. Do you guys think we've done it? I think we've done it. I just wanted to make sure we got all the- I wanna shout out our editor who is going to, Nick, who's gonna be working on this all night.

So, thanks Nick. Yeah, Nick, put the- I'm trying to get it to you sooner than later. This will be giving you more work, but put an applause sound effect in there for you. One! One! One!

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