Some More News - Even More News: RFK Jr. Endorses Trump, Arlington Cemetery Photo Op, and Kamala's Promises

Episode Date: August 30, 2024

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I guess we have to pull all the other episodes we've done. I know, otherwise all of this would be a big fat lie. And we're all about to truth here Even more news. Mm-hmm. And the truth is that Jonathan is also here. Hi There's that classic catchphrase Trademarked put it on a shirt. Is that high with one eyes? It's like a direct high is like high. It's like a Like three. I know it I think I say a pretty abbreviated. I think it's hi period It's that's what my he's saying. Why but just way different than by Which is my catchphrase for the end of the other show as I say every week even before we get to the quite the end

He's like bye To you don't get any more than two. Do not come up with a third. Catchphrase? No. No. This bit's taken us this far. Gentlemen, are you matching today? Yeah, we both recently moved to the mountains. Whose shirt is that that you're specifically wearing, Cody?

Designed for you and your experience in life. And did it did it get ordered for you or did it get ordered for me? It got delivered to me. No, it got delivered to the office. It got delivered to the office. And then you took it home? Well, I was gonna wash it for you,

but then you left. And then you couldn't find it for months. Here it is though. Cody's wearing my shirt. I am apparently wearing her shirt. I actually knew exactly what I was doing. I was hoping that you'd be happy to see it. I'm jealous.

Oh. Well, I'll send it to you. I'll watch it again, though. It's all right. I'm going to buy my own. So I can keep this? Or this is mine now? Yeah, that's yours now.

Well, you acquired your own, like, a sucker. And I chose the navy blue, which I stand by. Yeah, that's not the choice I would have taken. But it does look good on you. I know. As you've brought up many times. Yeah, we've been, this is not. You know this.

Well, the thing about our merch store is that you can choose, and it's fine. Everybody can choose the color that they like the most. I was envisioning it on a lighter colored shirt, and I also support it. I like the most. What? Whatever color you're wearing, that sweater,

where'd you get that sweater? Oh, thank you Yeah, I didn't have my recently moved to the mountains. This is my sweater from quints and I think they sponsored us today It doesn't have words on it though. It does not have words on it pictures on it So now that we've all assessed each other's wardrobe options. Oh Yeah, this is a real plug this intro is a real plug for a lot of different things. We've got holidays. Oh, look at this.

Okay, this is fun-ish. Thank goodness. Friday, August 30th is College Colors Day. Wear your college colors to show your continued school pride. Okay. Well, I guess it's not that cool, except that I happen to be wearing my school colors. Oh, that's what it is?

Yeah, it was blue and gold. Okay, okay. Blue and yellow. Where'd you go? UC San Diego. Tritons. The Tritons. Strikes fear in the heart of all competitors.

I'm spooked now. The mighty Tritons. Ah! Interesting, since UCLA, where I went, is also blue and gold. They chose the same colors. I want to double check that. I'm scarlet and gray. UCSD.

No, no, Triton stuff. Yeah. OK, blue, yellow, gold. I'm a buckeye. We're poisonous. My memory is correct. You're poisonous. You're poisonous.

With a buck? Buckeyes. What is it? Is it like a black eyed pea? Oh, man. I mean. Everyone in Ohio is going to be coming after Katie for this. How would you say the name of Cody's college? Like if you were to say it out loud.

Ohio State University. To hell. Ohio State University. What, is this like a con? Ohio? If you say Ohio State University and not the Ohio State University a bunch of people get mad at you. Well I'm sorry I've stepped in multiple ranks. Including JD Vance? Well JD Vance chants OHIO to himself instead of the call and response that it actually is JD. You didn't go anywhere.

You've never lived anywhere in your life. Wait, it's a you do Ohio as a call and response. No, you do OH and then somebody else shouts IO. But his convention where he was nominated. No, he was like, OHIO as if he'd never been there. Come on, JD. I thought I thought you meant like someone goes, oh, hi, and then everyone else goes, oh. We can do that too.

That's not what it is, but we can do that. Rufio. I saw Rufio at a Yogurtland once. Ooh. Grown up. Grown up Rufio? It was like a real life hook because remember the food fight scene when there's all that colorful

goo? Oh, I wanted to throw it. You had machines. Were you with me? I think you might have been with me. The colorful goo time. I think you might have been there when I saw Rufio at Yogurtland. Buckeyes are a nut from the buckeye tree. They are poisonous, but they're also a cookie you can craft. It's a delicious peanut butter filled- It's a nut? Yeah, it's a nut. It's a fucking nut? But it's poisonous.

A poisonous nut? From the buckeye tree. Okay, well. But the cookie, chocolate, peanut butter in it, looks like a buckeye, it's delicious. It's not poisonous, unless I guess you're a dog. Don't get those confused. Don't get those confused.

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RFK, yes, has endorsed Donald Trump. Donald John Trump? Donald John President? Donald John President. Donald Dame Rump. Judy Dench. Okay. Who is Robert F. Kennedy?

Who's Donald Trump? What does endorsing mean? Oh boy, this is going to take a while. What's the election? We're going to have to begin at the beginning. Everyone listening who knows about politics, skip ahead 30 minutes while I explain the concept of politics. No, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Susp begin at the beginning. Everyone listening who knows about politics, skip ahead 30 minutes while I explain the concept of politics.

No, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suspended his campaign. He endorsed Donald Trump late last week. He joined Trump at an Arizona rally where the crowd cheered for him. And he said he would attempt to remove his name from the ballot in battleground states so as not to hurt Trump. He's successful in, I would say a chunk of the states,

but he will still appear on the ballots in Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin since it is, since ballots are going out. Yeah, it's very funny. He made it very clear. It's already confusing what he wants people to do, which is vote for Donald Trump if you live in certain states. But if you live in other states, still vote for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

He wants you to still vote for him in certain states. And then if it gets to be like, oh, the math doesn't work out, nobody's got the right amount of electoral votes, then he's still got a chance. But in the battleground states, don't vote for him. Because he's gonna take his name off the ballot. But in some of those battleground states, he is still on the ballot. But on those ballots, in the battleground states, that he does want you to vote for Donald Trump for,

don't vote for him even though his name's on the ballot. What is the reasoning for this? Is it so that there's a certain percentage point that can allow him to run in the future? I, I miss this. It's so he gets a job if Trump wins, right? Yeah, the reasoning for this is because Kamala Harris, his team did not return his calls when he reached out about dropping out

and endorsing her. And so he went to Trump so No, but I mean, leaving his name on the well, well, leaving his name on the ballot in those battleground states is because he the timing is bad and he messed up. Okay. But some of them is because if you, so like if I don't, I'm not gonna make up math right now, but if each candidate doesn't get the number

of electoral votes they need to win, then it would be like a contested election or something where they would have to go about it a different way. Gotcha. And he would be involved in that if he's still in the ballot and gets enough. I thought there was something to do with assessing, just getting enough people officially voting for him so that for future elections. I think it's mostly vanity.

So he can show like, look, I still did really well in these states. I think it does more for Donald Trump than it would for Kamala, I think, is where I've landed on the RFK endorsement. You know, six and one, half a dozen the other. More for him for sure, but not enough. They seem to be loving him. Yeah, they do, but also, I don't know. This week.

I think if he endorsed, if he dropped out and endorsed Kamala, I think it would be like difficult for them to navigate and be like, oh yeah, we'd love to accept this endorsement from this like anti-vax guy who, you know, tangentially caused like a measles outbreak. Like all the things you can say. He believes a lot of befuddling things. We cannot get into all of them today. Yeah. And he did cause a measles outbreak. He did contribute to it In Samoa look into that if you dare if well, if I mean if you if you know people who like I like RFK He's really into like the health Is he go look into that? Well the stuff I wanted to look at specifically was this food safety thing because he's been saying make America healthy again. I don't know if the Trump campaign specifically has make America

healthy again, um, merch or anything. Um, but that seems to be like, you know, RFKs thing. I'm an environmental lawyer. I'm really into food safety and stuff. Obviously we know Trump is not going to get stronger food safety regulations at the FDA. That's not what this is about. So I went to Kennedy's website and his whole thing is that toxic chemicals like glyphosate and chloramiquat contaminate nearly our entire food supply.

This causes six in 10 American adults to have chronic disease and regenerative agriculture would reverse all of this. Evidence doesn't support that, to say the least. Regenerative agriculture is about redoing the land, so to speak, so that it does not have a lot of the herbicides and chemicals that we typically use but there's Not evidence that that would purify our food of toxins and there's no evidence that these herbicides specifically are giving people chronic Illness. I don't think that our FKG is the man to do it. Go for it. Do all these things. Say it Katie. There's not evidence But I know I mean our food supply is pretty fucked up. And we are seeing, I'm not gonna say one thing or another,

or these chemicals or another. I think that research continues to show us more information and that things change. Like one minute, eat soy. The next minute, no, soy's bad for you. And so information changes and moves fast. We do have a lot more chronic diseases and we do have higher incidence of cancer amongst younger people. This is again not me endorsing RFK

or endorsing his policies, but I do think it is a really important conversation and it bothers me that the people having it, the only person having it is this man who is fundamentally flawed and wrong about so much. So it kind of like makes it all sound like quackery, but it's not. I don't know that his data or this data is accurate, but you know, and like the stuff he promised get corporate influence out of the USDA, FDA and EPA. Great. I would love to see that.

That's not what's going to happen with Donald fucking Trump. You know, but one thing that I found interesting, it's both this and some of the environmental stuff is like him coming out to that rally with Donald Trump in Arizona this week. And, you know, Cody will speak for himself, but we've had this conversation like, oh, they'll cheer for anything. But like people are literally cheering for this. And to me, that signifies something pretty important that the Democrats continue to miss time and time again, is that people really very much do care about some of these fundamental issues that we're facing, but like they're not even having this conversation.

And now the wrong people are having this conversation. And so it's like, anyway, Cody, go, you've got stuff. You're ramped up. I'm good. I'm chilling. I got my mountain shirt on. I'm relaxed. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I just generally I agree with you that the food we eat is really processed and terrible. It's got a bunch of crap in it. and all of our agricultural practices are pretty bad.

And especially in the meat industry in particular to your point about how like Trump's not the guy to do it. That should be obvious. And that's why like so much of this is like RFK can say whatever he wants. But as soon as JD Vance gets up there and talks about something or Trump gets up and talks about it, it's going the contradiction will be clear. There's so many FDA regulations that were stripped during Trump's presidency that have led to like literally this week. They're like all these this reporting about like, yeah, Tyson poisoned this river. Yeah, the all these all these violations, all these violations and like recalls of like the Boardshead Listeria outbreak.

The Listeria outbreak, exactly. All these things that are downstream of those actions that Trump took when he was the president. And to be like, we're gonna, like, RFK is a guy, he says this about climate change too. Climate change is real, but we have to, if we're gonna like RFK is a guy, he says about climate change to climate change is real, but we have to you know, if we're going to do something about it, it's his solution is to let the free market deal with it to reduce regulations and get rid of like the bureaucratic

administrative state and let just companies do what they want. That's what you're going to get if you have a Trump administration to in terms of the food industry. That's what he did the first time. His whole thing is to get rid of all food industry. That's what he did the first time. His whole thing is to get rid of all these government agencies that are there to regulate these these industries and make sure that we aren't poisoned. There are obviously criticisms you can make of these industries and of these of these not industries of these organizations. But the existence of them is to do the thing and prevent the things that RFK is

complaining about. So just like right off the bat, that's why I'm always like, say what you want. Trump's going to go out there and say, we got to ban the EPA and get rid of the FDA and they'll cheer for that. I'm going to read this comment. Like part of this conversation started with this YouTube video I sent Cody. We don't need to talk about it. But this comment, I don't know why this is a surprise. Conservative people like clean air and clean water and no poison in our food. We just don't like how Democrats want to deal with that

with their carbon taxes and high cost of energy that affects the poor the most. 511 likes a bunch of replies of people agreeing with this person. And I thought that was very interesting I don't know if that's indicative of most conservatives, but I Guess it underscore. No, I mean because I've heard people say that and say the opposite. Absolutely So that's the thing it's but it's to your point of what you were just saying. It's like I do care but Just not I don't I just don't want to deal with it the way the Democrats are dealing with it. I can spin that positive and say at least

some people are caring. And there's that step. Because I would say 10 years ago, I don't know that I how many people would but they still don't a lot of them don't say they do and they don't right like that's the thing like With even this food thing. Sorry you get you get didn't mean to cut you off. No, it's okay It's just I guess I'm circling a few different points. I guess of what it has been in my mind I've said for a long time except for all the like culture war bullshit or you know anti-trans for all the like culture war bullshit or you know anti-trans you know anti-abortion all the major platforms of the conservative party doesn't make sense to me why they would deny climate change you know historically that hasn't been true that a conservative would

deny it and like this is an opportunity to invest in well I mean we did a whole infrastructure and two episodes about why they do that. No, I know. I know, I know, I know. But I'm saying if they would ever come around and lean into it, that would be a very winning strategy for them. It might be winning. And I'm not saying that they are. I'm saying that.

Strategy, but also their solution is going to be bad because they're going to be eco-fascist about it. and they're going to exclude people and build more walls and create the in-group that gets the benefit of their plans. But again, it's like they can say as much as they want that this and this and this. I saw this thread yesterday of Republicans care more about the environment, the Democrats and stuff. They don't really, this like idea of like, it's this like noble, savage, rural American idea of like, they're actually the salt of the earth and they care about the environment so much.

But like, I do think, like, with that RFK rally, they would cheer at anything. I'm not saying all Republicans are all conservatives, like, everyone is different. Everyone has their different opinions. But like at that rally, they will cheer for anything. To this point, RFK did an interview and he's talking about, you can see like the call all the Colin rugs of the world, all the little blue check freaks are sharing this interview with RFK. And in the interview, what does he say? Well, you know, we're not gonna support, like, the government just sort of like paying for Ozempic

for everybody to lose weight. What we should do with a fraction of that money, we could give everybody three organic meals a day and live more healthy. They're cheering for that. They don't know what they're cheering for. If Bernie Sanders said that, would be communism. If Kamala Harris said that it would be communism. If Tim Walz is offering free lunch to all kids in school and they fucking hate it. The fact that RFK is now like you could provide three organic meals to everybody and that would be great. They're not going to like that. They don't know what they're agreeing to. Obviously, Michelle Obama had eight years of doing we're going to move, we're going to exercise, eat healthy food. They hate it. It's communism.

I've had that conversation. But that is all a part of, you know, the political theater and like us versus them shit. But like, at its core, I'm saying that people do care about this stuff. And like, it's not really a conversation. That's a part of the Democratic Party it just is it well, I guess my point is that when it is a conversation, it's Framed as evil communists Like right they're gonna have a way your programs They're gonna they're gonna take away your beef and make you eat organic food if anyone says organic that's like soy shit, right?

I'm not I disagree with you. I think that these are all issues that people do care about and our politics are broken. But whenever I see like a Republican do that or be like, we gotta take care of the environment, like you don't think that. You don't actually think that. You wanna give companies free reign

to do whatever they want and poison whatever they want and make whatever profit they need. That's what they rein to do whatever they want and poison whatever they want and make whatever profit they need. That's what they want to do. So isn't saying should be clear to everybody. This isn't me saying like, look what these guys are doing. We should be doing exactly what they're doing. I'm saying that the conversation surprises me in this in this arena in right sphere politics that this conversation is starting to happen,

interests me. And I think, especially on the heels, and we're going to talk about Kamala and the DNC last week, because we recorded before we heard her speech. And I'm saying, I felt a little empty after that speech and over the weekend as I processed it. And I look at enthusiasm for this. And you're right. I don't disagree with the points that you're making about how they frame it. But we aren't really engaging with these conversations. We aren't talking about our food supply in the same way or, you know. Anyway, I just think that there's more room for us to go harder.

I think I can maybe bring these two things. This is more about climate change than food, but this is a Pew research survey from 2020 and a majority of Americans care. Right. Sixty five percent say the federal government is doing too little to reduce the effects of climate change. 90% of Americans say planting a trillion trees to absorb carbon emissions. We've talked in our episode about how that's not enough, but that's a start.

84% providing a tax credit to businesses for developing carbon capture and storage, on and on and on. Like, if you just ask people in a vacuum about this issue, of course they care about it. Who's gonna say no to clean water? But when it comes to doing the things we might need to do, and I think for climate change, doing the things that we actually need to do, Democrats and Republicans are against it, right?

Because it kind of subverts our way of life right now. So I, yeah. But I like, I think it is valid to bring up food safety and our food supply and how we make food in this country. But then when the next breath out of your mouth is it's because of chemtrails or whatever, it's hard to know, OK, we're not actually having that conversation.

We're not having that conversation. We're just like. Absolutely. We're not. I mean, but I absolutely, to be clear, I agree completely. I again, bring it back to these aren't the people I want to be having this conversation. You know, and I would love for us to be having that conversation. But oh yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, I agree with you generally

completely because obviously the Democrats should talk about things more that they don't talk about I wasn't inspired by Kamala Harris's speech Um, and I don't know if we talk about it or not. We'll we have an episode about the DNC coming out next week Um or the week after who knows who knows i'm lost in the weeds on our schedule but uh, but yeah, like, you know, it's funny because when I, I'm like, yeah, I wasn't inspired by Kamala Harris' speech, wasn't for me, it sucks. And like, that's that.

And then when R.F.K. talks about this, I'm like, yeah, he's lying, he's full of shit. Like, they're not gonna do anything about this. It's a fraud stuff. It's to like collect like five dupes on Twitter X to be like, oh, look, they want to give us free meals, but Tim Walz is evil for giving the kids free meals. Like it's all bullshit.

So in our conversations, Katie, I'm always like, yeah, I know, it sucks. It would be great if they talked about healthcare at all. At all. at all. At all. But you know, but then what Trump's gonna be like, we gotta get rid of Obamacare and replace it with Truth Healthcare, my new company that's gonna give you healthcare or whatever.

So it's kind of a memory. I guess it, I think it's interesting and important to be aware of I mean like Donald Trump is not a Republican I mean he is but he is Magus completely separate from the Republican Party and oh I mean they're not completely separate I know they're distinct but they're distinct but his supporters would could be a lot of supporters for Donald Trump, support Donald Trump, but not necessarily Republicans.

And it's interesting to see, and you're right, they'll get excited about a lot of stuff in that environment, you get wrapped up. But I genuinely think that this is a shifting perspective in what people are worried about and fundamentally are noticing it and was one of my concerns is is also like concerns like with the RFK of it all and like if if Trump because Trump's not gonna like do anything or like be concrete about anything really he's not gonna be like yeah we're gonna do this thing that RFK wants me to do, but also we're not gonna do it because we need donors or whatever.

I worry about a lot of this stuff because as we've talked about many times, the MAGA movement in particular, but also the Republican party sort of ushering in this like proto-fascist and quasi-fascist movement of American fascism. And I don't want people to get caught up in this sort of like sense that like being overweight is a moral failing, which I think is a lot of where this

Absolutely. That could go. Attitude will lead in the same way that like we care about the environment. So we got to like keep all the brown people out and make our little community that's safer. Like the fascist attempt to deal with real problems is something I think we should kind of worry about because right now we don't live in the same reality. So we're not even talking about the same problems, right? But once they get on board of like,

well, climate change is real. We got to do something about it. I don't want to know what they want to do. That's an interesting point. They think about like public health and stuff and like, well, we got to like eat this and exercise every day. Otherwise, it's a moral failing. And that is what like-

Well, we already have that kind of bullshit mentality. We do. But when the party sort of combines these elements, I think it really solidifies that attitude. So whenever I see something like that, I don't want to even entertain it because I think it's easy. It easily gets in that realm, especially with. Yeah. I mean, I think to me that's a that's a different conversation and I think it's valid. Yeah,

people's where this could go. But I, it is something that concerns me not to the point where I'm overly cautious about it but it's something that I keep aware of and want to you know I think that we'll have a lot more information in the next 10-15 years about some of this stuff yeah our foods our food oh yeah it's fucked um Our food is fucked. We're gonna take a quick break. For advertisement. Nicements. Sup fam! I speak natural and hip like what the kids do. And I'm here to get you all hopped up on Hungry Root!

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Be precise in your speech? Usually. Yeah, are you Googling? Clean your room. No, I'm just... It's definitely not one of the four agreements. This is the? No. Clean your room is definitely not one of the four agreements. This is the first one. Clean your room.

Clean your room. Be precise in your speech. Carnivore diet. Carnivore diet. Say it. You have to say it like that. Weird ties. Oh God.

Is the four agreements something Jordan Peterson enjoys? No, but you know, it just speaks to like the vagaries of that entire racket. Right? Here's this book about how to be the best person in the world. Well, be true to yourself and say what you mean. He said it, whatever. What is it? The hell you're talking about said it.

They all say it. What are we going to talk about now, Jonathan? We didn't really talk about Kamala's speech, so let's talk about Kamala's speech. Yeah, we were, you know, we had to put out an episode and we had to record it before she talked, and we were like, I'm sure it's just going to be 35 minutes of all the progressive stuff that we won.

And it wasn't. And I guess, to be fair, to Kamala, there's like the stuff that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Most of it was pretty boilerplate mainstream Democrat stuff. Oh, yeah. I mean, 90 percent of it was like this is what you would expect. What we've talked about as was the, you know, the argument for please, Joe, just get out of here was that a generic Democrat wins and Joe Biden specifically does not. And that seems to be what they're trying to do largely.

But yeah, there's some cop shit in there and some. Yeah, there was the most lethal fighting force in the world. Not crazy about that. Why would you say that? You honestly though, why would you say that? Some people like it. Do they? Yeah.

Do they? Yeah. I think a lot of people. People would eat it up. We were talking about this. Maybe it was on the shoot this week about how this might. I don't I have no I have no idea. But like this might be the right strategy of just as middle of the road as possible.

The other guy's not doing that. The other guy's feuding with the cemetery, which we'll get to later. But like, you know, just Kamala saying, I will ensure America always has the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world, maybe plays with enough people that she needs to win over. I think she could have removed the phrase most lethal, and I would have been like, all right,

I get that you're gonna say this. Yeah, adding that was a little like, ah. I get that. People were like well she still has a better tone on Palestine um but she used the same no four words that Joe Biden used she said the you know we need to make sure the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity security freedom and self-determination. And Joe Biden has said those exact same things. They don't mean it. They don't care. Here's my thoughts to that.

We were all relieved watching her at least acknowledge Palestine and what's been going on. But the way she talked about Israel is like, let me be clear, we will never not be their ally. Talking about unspeakable sexual violence, reiterating talking points that have been debunked. And then in the next breath is saying, we wanna make sure that Palestinian people

can realize their right to freedom and self-determination, good, but you're not condemning anything that's happened or continues to happen. And honestly, right on the heels of, you know, the most lethal fighting force in the world, that felt a little chilling to me. And I do acknowledge and I don't disagree with, you know, it's not just you guys saying

that maybe that was the right balance. I understand that might have been the right tone, but I keep coming back to, and I said this before, obviously there's the goodwill vibes that have been going on. And you know, they're banking on the fact that most people that oppose what's happening in Gaza will vote for her anyway because she's not Donald Trump but if that's true then it goes both ways the people that are not you know are just really pro-Israel would also still vote for her if she

took a stronger stance and was clearer or allowed any Palestinian American to speak at the DNC. For two minutes. It's for two fucking minutes. And so, yeah, it does bother me. Yeah. And so, and I do think that there's a lot of people that feel similarly. I'm not saying that this is a reason to not vote for her, obviously, but it was a pretty

boilerplate speech. We have seemed to abandon any conversation about police reform. We're not really talking about health care. A generic, we're going to lower prescription drug prices. Middle-class tax cut sounds nice. They always say that though, don't they? Yeah, I mean the child tax credit stuff, like personally specifically, would be like, great, can we please do that again? Yeah, and so I understand it's gonna be vague. I understand, like, we got two months, we got a win. And they made a calculation.

How many votes will we lose by not saying this versus how many votes could we potentially lose by doing the opposite, right? I don't have access to that data. Maybe I would come to a different conclusion. So right, all we're doing here is saying what we would have liked to hear. And it's not this. It would have been the same thing about the stupid, it's all politics, right? The border security bill, how she's like, I'm gonna bring that bipartisan border security bill back that Trump killed. Right? But like, we don't like that bill. That's a bad deal. That allocates hundreds of millions of dollars for a border wall. Yeah. Like, and they, and Democrats mostly don't like it either. They just did it because they wanted to put Republicans in a political bind, which they did, and I wish they would let it go now.

Yeah. Right? They put them in a bind saying you can either sign it and or like vote for it and give the president, President Biden a win or listen to Trump and vote it down and Then you look like hypocrites on the border. Okay mission accomplished there great But now we're stuck with this bill that you still don't become law that isn't great for me Yeah, and the hope is like it's this like It's called cope. I guess we kind of talked about in the Federman episode released yesterday Or two days ago, I guess if you're listening and watching thanks for listening and watching like and subscribe, uh, leave a comment

That's nice. It helps us out. Um But uh, whatever I was saying, um, yeah, there's a there's a like this sort of hope that um It is this obvious like triangulation for like winning the election. That is the race right now is for the next two months. It's that and they've got their plan and we'll see if it works. And the hope is that like, OK, well, now she's the president. Maybe we'll rework this bill a little bit. Maybe I can be more vocal about the atrocities going on that we aren't actually going to keep sending weapons

to support that chance there, but maybe. But like there are elements that like even on Israel, like she is ignoring speeches and stuff. She is gonna be better on things like that, I think, than Joe Biden specifically. Maybe not X dem or Y Dem or somebody. Why do you think that? Because Joe Biden's been 100 percent true believer in Israel for his entire career for decades.

Like the most staunch like Democrat specifically. Like people are like, wow, you're like even more than like Republicans are. Like he has been like, this is the most important thing for his entire career. And there's all this reporting even of like her like, like kind of differing on, on, on his approach and it's clearly not popular necessarily. And I just think that there he's a part of a generation in his specific career that has been all in on Israel's right to defend itself, which means Palestinians aren't people. It's basically his view, it has seemed.

And I don't think, I'm not saying like, Kamel's got like a great view on it. I still don't really know, because you won't fucking talk about it. I think she would love nothing more than for it to go away. Like the issue. I really don't want to have to make tough decisions on this issue. Yeah. And if the words like if the if the thing about it that she doesn't like is

that it's a headache. Well, that's a bummer. I think it should be a moral problem that you're that you have with it. But if it's just a headache and you want to get rid of it, get rid of it because it's a headache. Whatever. But I just think that she and like most Dems do have this other, they're part of a different like generation, even if it's like on the cusp. And I just think that there's an element there that we won't really

really kind of where we won't really see that shift until Joe Biden isn't the president anymore, which he might not be any like now. We don't know. But I do. I again, it sucks. And I don't have any thoughts like you should vote for X or Y or whatever. I just think I think that she will be better than him. Right. I hope you're right.

Which doesn't mean it's good. It just means better than him specifically. And that's that's why I like whatever you bring to me. I'm like, yeah, it sucks. But like it's better than him specifically. And that's why like whenever he brings it, I'm like, yeah, it sucks, but like it's better than below the fucking bottom of the barrel. Of course, I mean, but I hate this. I do, I feel, and I even waffle right now being honest

with how I feel about it or where I'm at, because I know that this matters and people watch and then some people get upset. But again, none of this is to suggest that you should vote for fucking Donald Trump or sit this one out, especially if you live somewhere where it's important. But I, you know, it's also, everything's been so influenced by people I don't know or vote for. And every step of the way, not having a primary really, and you know, every situation and the fact that our candidate that we're all expected to go, expected to go hard in the paint for, you know, and spend our energy and our time and donate our money has yet to give me anything other than child tax credits, great. Like some vague ideas that I would love to have some more information about.

Tell me what you mean more specifically. Doesn't, hasn't given me any indication of what she actually stands for at this point. And it's changed throughout her career so when I I do agree I do think that she would be better I hope so it's the best option we got well I think also the the CIT that she doesn't really it's hard to know she believes in stuff because it's changed and stuff that in some scenarios can be a positive because that means that she can change her mind. She can be pushed in certain ways. And like you saying, Jonathan, like it's a

headache for her. Maybe it's a pusher on that and make it a worse headache, make the headache even worse and even worse and even worse. She'll change her mind. Whereas like Joe Biden is somebody again, who's like, this is we're not changing on this. Like he, he doesn't change his mind about stuff like that. Yeah, that's a true point. That stubbornness about an issue as serious as genocide is not great and it's good to get rid of that. But she also changes her mind backwards. So it was for Medicare for all and now I guess isn't.

And that's kind of what I mean. But yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I do agree. I was thinking about that. That's a thing what I mean. But yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I do agree. I was thinking about that. That's a thing I think that people liked about Donald Trump, but not really. He's malleable. I'm like, no, he's not. He'll take an opportunity that benefits him.

But no, absolutely. So yeah, I don't know. There's just a muddy soup of thoughts as to where I'm at right now. And also, again, we're recording this a few hours before her CNN interview. Yes, and so we'll see. With Tim Walls. With her emotional support running mate. She can't do an interview without Tim Walls around. Unbelievable.

They're being wild. When was the last president and vice president that didn't do an interview together? Do we even know? Bush and quail I'm gonna make time who know like there's no I don't I don't know. It's a boarded television Do you guys care that it she hasn't done any interviews solo? I Don't really care. But yes in like a principle like shit we but I don't care I mean like like I'm not checked out of this election but like I'm checked out of certain things

that people get up in arms about. I'm like I don't give a shit. I know I feel like I'm observing this in a different emotional state than I have in the past. Either burnout or my specific location that I live in and such different opinions from everybody. Even people that, like a wide spectrum of opinions that surprise me sometimes.

But like, I think it's mostly just the exhaustion of so many back to back elections of our lifetimes. Well, like it would be good to, you know, yeah, I would like to know more about her and what she wants to do and her opinions on issues and so on, yes. But also like there's Quentin Tarantino on Bill Maher's awesome podcast.

And he just sort of goes off and like, I half agree with him where he's like, I don't care. She wants to win. How do you win? You don't give people like, I'm gonna vote for her no matter win. How do you win? You don't give people like, I'm gonna vote for her no matter what. So she doesn't need to do interviews for me. There is that.

The plan is to win. So you just like go do your rallies, you do your little planned bits and then you try to avoid media attention. Which as I was saying, and I'm like, that sucks too. Go talk, like you wanna be the president. Go talk in front of people'm like that sucks to go talk like you want to be the president People but there is an element of banking on this enthusiasm carrying you through it feels like and There is a risk the second you come forward with some specific idea with some specifics. You're

inviting in criticism and infighting from your party and Again, that's why you have the primary so that people can discuss stuff. What? Well, when you're vague too, that also opens up for people to misinterpret your proposals too, which seems to happen a lot with them where they're like, oh, they said like this phrase kind of,

and it's like, you look into it like, oh, it's about like what what that redfin site or whatever, and like certain like, areas of price gouging and like, when they're soft launching policies, like, though good, they're gonna put price caps on everything, like there's like, there's all this like, open to interpretation problem and also being too specific. So it can be torn apart problem. But generally yeah it'd be nice if she gave an interview honestly like I don't know.

Tune in next week when we'll talk about the thing that happened six days previous. Probably unless a million other things happen between now and then. Which I'm sure they will. I'm sure they will. Should we talk about one more thing? Do we have the time? I would love to talk about specifically what Donald J Trump has been doing in the Trump campaign Mad at the Army Cemetery now because this is this this one keeps going

All right. So the Trump campaign keeps going. All right. So the Trump campaign organized this wreath laying ceremony this week for service members who died in the suicide bombing at the Kabul airport during the US withdrawal from Afghanistan three years ago, they went in, they took some photos with some family members in front of some graves. We can maybe put if you're watching on YouTube, you can see that this is Donald Trump smiling and giving the thumbs up by a great.

Yeah, we're gonna insert that over one of us. Arlington National Cemetery, and this is specifically this area, section 60 is where service members who died in Afghanistan or Iraq are buried. It is against army regulations and federal law to do political campaigns or election related activities there and so after This event took place

We found out through an npr report that members of the trump campaign had argued with someone who works at arlington national cemetery Who said you can't bring your own photographer in here for some campaign event And then they shoved that person out of the way and verbally abused them and then went and did it anyway. Um, the Trump campaign then tried to, uh, insult that person. They said that they were defamatory claims that they pushed that person out of the way. They said, uh, that she was suffering from a mental health episode for physically blocking members of Trump's team during quote a very solemn ceremony,

where again he smiles and gives the thumbs up. Then the army released a statement today confirming the ANC employees account. They said that people who went there were made aware of federal laws, army regulations and DOD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. This is where it gets even more interesting because earlier this week in Pennsylvania, I think this was on Wednesday, JD Vance said the media is creating a story where there is none. And then he also was mocking Kamala Harris and says she wants to yell at Donald Trump

because he showed up. She can go to hell. It's the Kamala Harris is so asleep at the wheel that she won't even do an investigation into what happened. And she wants to yell at Donald Trump because he showed up. She can she can go to hell. showed up, she can go to hell. And that phrasing is very strange to me because it suggests when they say Donald Trump because he showed up suggests that this was an official ceremony that she could have attended, but it wasn't it was a Trump campaign thing, where the family...

I bet he didn't even know that. Yeah, where the family of a service member invited Trump there. I can't believe that's not supposed to be happening there. Yes, you're not allowed to do stuff there. By law. That's why the woman was saying you can't go in there with your cameras, right? Yeah, but she had mental problems. She's like a crazy cat lady, right? Right, obviously she was having a mental health episode. She's one of the cat ladies that fans hate.

She doesn't, she can't, she's not, shouldn't even be allowed to vote. But to be clear, not supposed to, because, you know, servicemen die for our country, have a variety of political beliefs, and you shouldn't politicize their death, right? Let's not politicize their death. And I don't wanna be all like,

these are sacred hallowed grounds, or hollowed grounds as Trump campaign manager Chris LaCivita wrote. Also the poem at the DNC, this hollowed space is how the poem opened. Oh really, the Amanda Gorman speech? Yeah. Or the poem?

Yeah. Anyway. So it's like, sure. Like, this is a cemetery. But this is a place that politicians especially are very mindful and respectful of. But you know, like, Trump thinks they're losers and suckers as we've established for years.

Yes he does. And then gets a thumbs up at their grave. Wild choice, but this is that man, so. Yeah, this is that man. I do think maybe there's a chance JD Vance did not know that this wasn't, that this was a campaign event. I think it's fair to assume that he's not in the loop.

Literally didn't know. He's like, well, she didn't even show up. And now he's mad. He's like, dude, you should not be speaking to any press. Well, the real ticket is Trump and RFK Jr., don't you know? Apparently. He's not even on the official. He's relegated to Pennsylvania only.

That is where Vance is stationed. Oh, I also want to mention that the original NPR story on this, if you link that on Twitter and click that link, you get a warning this link may be unsafe message. You do get that. Fun. Elon's really not seeing up the website lately. It is real bad. What a cesspool.

And a lot of things like this, a lot of like warnings on things that are real, a lot of sensitive content warnings on people saying cisgender in response to posts about how Hitler was right. A lot of Nazi shit going on on that website. What a bad place. But we don't need to talk about that. I did want to mention that JD Vance is really bad at this. Because aside from like, obviously, there's the donut problem that he has, he doesn't know what makes sense with donuts. And any other interaction he has is really awkward. He tried earlier today to talk to a room full of firefighters from Boston and they booed

him. They booed him. Some of them booed him. Some of them booed him multiple times, especially when he tried to pretend that he and Trump were the best for the working class Republicans ever have been. President Trump and I are proud to be the most pro worker Republican ticket in history. And I want to talk about why we're fighting for working people, why we're going to fight for unions and non-union alike.

They're not buying it, JD. They're not buying it, which warms my heart because what a lie what a remember that Simpsons joke where Lisa's like terrified of always coming in second and then she has that vision of getting the concert and she goes why would they come by just to do us in this instance you go so you can boo JD Vance. Oh, I would totally go to boo somebody. That's a fun thing to do. Yeah. Because we should-

I wouldn't do it for a band. Yeah, not for a band. Like in that scenario. But I would like to submit that if Trump and JD Vance lose that like once a year for two months, JD Vance has to go on a humiliation tour where he can get mocked, where he can try to order root beer or whatever

oh yeah shame walk yeah yeah he should be publicly shamed in front of groups of people once in a while for maybe the rest of his life go strip him naked and walking from the septic bailar and throw shit in his face while chanting shame. It's a septive bailer. He'll go just like, yeah, door to door. Is that what it's, septive bailer? Yeah, yeah, no. That's what it is. High sparrow. Nerd shame you.

It's okay, don't worry, don't worry. I'm shocked. Last week was National Nerd Day. I don't want us to do that. I think it's more shameful for him to be fully clothed and try to like make a joke. Yeah, try to make a joke to like workers, like us to do that. I think it's more shameful for him to be fully clothed and try to like make a joke And yeah, try to make a joke to like workers like trying to serve him like go for a bar to bar go from like don't I'll call the schlub crawl. He'll just go from from establishment to establish like a really fun theme night

Yeah, it does. Oh comfy cozies on this topic Speaking of stripping JD Vans down and shaming him in public, he really tried hard to make a joke about how he wasn't gonna take his shirt off in front of the hunky fireman. And he crashed and burned. He couldn't get the sentence out.

He tried so hard to make a joke and it didn't work. I assume they're all hunky firemen. Also, one other thing, just for the JD Vance hour that we're doing now. In that quote about Kamala Harris, how she didn't show up and she can go to hell, you can watch it at home, folks.

He planned on saying she can go to hell and he planned on stopping himself right before because he's just so mad. He's got, oh, I'm worked up, but I'm not gonna say it. But then he says it anyway. It's a very odd, because he's just so mad. He's got, oh, I'm worked up, but I'm not going to say it. But then he says it anyway. It's a very odd, because traditionally, the bid is like, oh, I'm so mad, I'm going to swear. No, I'm just going to say, she has her opinion, or whatever.

But he was planning on stopping himself from saying she can go to hell, because it's too worked up. But he said go to hell anyway. He just can't do anything right. She can go to hell anyway. He just can't do anything right. She can go to hell. Well, I think that brought us to the end of our episode. It's a fun little tidbit. Fun little tidbit. Just watch it.

You can see him perform in real time. But then I have to watch it. Yeah, you gotta watch it. He's a performer. He's a Riz Master. He's the Riz Master General, JD Vance. Do you? Maybe this will be a Wayless News thing.

I don't understand. I don't know who the Rizler is or any of this stuff. I don't know any of that. We're not talking about the Rizler. They're like a TikTok family. That sounds like a Wayless News. Or something. Yeah, let's save it.

I don't, I don't. Wayless News is another show we're working on. We're talking Costco now. If you can subscribe to our patreon if you want to Well, we'll probably eventually start doing it eventually wide release But for now way less news lives on our patreon patreon along with my many Instagram live streams Don't even tease about it anymore. I won't even tease our audience You know what Cody that is the opposite of being impeccable with your word and

I don't want to make assumptions, but you are messing with the hearts and minds of America. What's the fourth agreement? Don't take things personally. See? Wash, washed off me like water. And clean your room. Well, that I'm not gonna do. But wait, I was plugging our patreon also like and subscribe

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