Some More News - Even More News: The DNC and the Democrats' Big Tent?

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

Hi. Conspiracy, She Wrote's Cristen Conger joins Katy and Cody to talk about the DNC, the demands for a Palestinian-American speaker, the masculinity wars, J.D. Vance ordering donuts, and Donald Trump's questions about cocaine. Go to https://ground.news/smn to stay fully informed and compare coverage on the 2024 elections and more. Subscribe to save 40% off unlimited access through our link.  If you want to replace your multivitamin and more, start with AG1. Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first subscription at https://drinkAG1.com/morenews  Get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at https://www.stamps.com/morenews. Thanks to Stamps.com for sponsoring the show!  Right now, Hungryroot is offering Some More News viewers 40% off your first delivery and free veggies for life when you go to https://Hungryroot.com/MORENEWS Watch this podcast on YouTube:

Hello, welcome back to even more news. The first and only news podcast. Don't look that up. My name is Katie stole. Hello, Katie. Thanks for having me again. Thank you. You're welcome. Like all weeks, I'm Cody Johnston. It's so lucky that we got in there first. I know. And just like, no one else can do it. Sorry, folks.

Nobody else. The news has been taken. Trademarked. Talk about something else. I'll talk about something else. I'll talk about our guest this week. Host of the podcast on Ladylike. And her new podcast is called Conspiracy.

She wrote, looking at women's roles in conspiracy theories and modern conspiracy culture. We're very excited to welcome Kristin Conger. Hello, Kristin. Hello. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're doing us a big favor, so. You're welcome. Jonathan is also here.

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If that catchphrase and that livestream ever appears. Lots of stuff to talk about today as always. Never a dull moment. But first, holidays. Because that's the most important thing. That's right. Friday, August 23rd, find your inner nerd day. That's fine.

I'm okay with that. We all got nerdy things. What's like something that you nerd out about, Kristin? Like something that's like, because like, yeah, we have got our Game of Thrones, our Star Wars, our little things that we like, but is there? I mean, I'm Wars, our little things that we like, but is there... I mean, I'm not trying to be too on the nose,

but do conspiracy theories count? That was gonna be my guess. I was like, well, clearly you're funneling that into this show because you have this interest in that that you're going to dissect it. You could be a nerd about anything. Yeah, well, and I would say that I am especially nerdy about conspiracy theories because I'm not, I really was not like a conspiracy head before a few years ago when I had to, I really

just- When you started nerding out on it? Yes. You really started nerding out? Yeah. Was it pandemic stuff where you're like, you got something to do? Where I started hearing some interesting ideas about children, wayfair boxes.

No, semi-related, it was a friend of mine who had gotten like QAnon-pilled and it rocked my socks. Yikes. Yeah. I would say that that is the least nerdy thing I've heard somebody nerd out on, but it counts. And I think it's totally an acceptable answer. Thank you. Thank you for validating my nerddom. Safe space for all types of nerds. Before we talk about the news and the DNC, Kristen, we wanted to chat with you real quick.

Tell us about this new show of yours. Tell us a little bit about some of the conspiracies you're going to be talking about, maybe, if you feel comfortable sharing. Well, I absolutely feel comfortable sharing. Do you want to go nerd out about it for us? Yes. And there's a spectrum, of course, of conspiracy theories. There's kind of the hardcore political stuff. And then you've got all your pop cultural conspiracy theories. And what I will share is that conspiracy she wrote, y'all can't see my hands, but they're

making a little bridge. Oh, they can. Hello? If they're watching the video, they can. Good to know. Definitely leave that in. Yes, so Conspiracy, she wrote, covers both of those as represented by my fingers adjoining together on this video.

And it really takes my other obsession, the thing that I have nerded out the most in my life on, and that's women and gender. I host another show called Unladylike, and I'm always just asking the question of like, where are women? So, when a friend of mine fell down a QAnon rabbit hole during the pandemic, and this was also around the time when Save the Children

was taking over Instagram, wellness circles were getting kind of QAnon-y. I just started looking into like, okay, well, where are, something's happening because women are very much visible and present in this, but there wasn't a ton of focus in the existing academic research on not just gender and conspiracy theories, but particularly women's roles in the ecosystems.

I think that that's really interesting to me. A lot of times, I think this is changing, but it's always bothered me when people just blanket say, women should be in charge or, you know, women, men rule the world, let's give women a shot. Women are loving or whatever. I'm like, you guys are full of shit. Women can be just as evil or, you know,

easily manipulated or have their own agendas as anybody else. It's sexist to assume otherwise. Yeah, but yeah, that's an overlooked demographic or women in conspiracy theories and that part of it. Yeah. Well, and what really sent me, did y'all know this? The Illuminati myth of the original original core conspiracy theory that really kicked up about a hundred years ago was Largely like propagated through the work of this female conspiracy theorist slash total fascist piece of shit sure and there were other like rich

rich white women who were kind of in these social circles and helping spread like super anti-Semitic Illuminati conspiracy theories like in their, throughout their circles, one of them like was hooking up Henry Ford with all kinds of anti-Semitic literature. So yeah, it's definitely also a reminder that women's history is not always yas queen. No, that's a good reminder, an important reminder, as we potentially elect a female president, maybe. Yeah. Hello, my sweets.

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Well, first off, I would say I'm really excited for this show. That sounds right up my alley and very interesting. And then I'm also going to ask, because anybody seen the DNC this week been watching? Let's talk about the roll call. Let's talk about the roll call. Do you have thoughts on the roll call? Listen, I'm talking to you from Atlanta, Georgia.

So I'm feeling pretty proud of this one thing. Little John came out. Little John. Yeah. Georgia was the only state to have un-act. Yeah, it's wild. And it was amazing watching him with Raphael Warnock and all these folks, and people were into it. I like how they tried to incorporate,

because he didn't say to the window, but he went like, something, something, Tim Walls, you know? That's funny. Do you think that he did that because they saw my tweet? I think so. I assume it's because they saw your tweet. I mean, you've got to also watch it just to see the DJ.

Oh, yeah. Because there was a DJ in head-to-toe silk and a straw boater hat. It's one of those things that is like, there's an element of, like no political convention is ever gonna be like, wow, this is like a really cool thing. Cause it's a political convention. But like you can get to the edge there. You can get really close.

And you can dance right up to it. You can dance right up to it. And you can crank the music. And instead of like in contrast, the RNC's roll call vote is just like these guys like he stole the election we're gonna get we're gonna take him back and he gets my vote like it's just so off-putting and boring and they clearly wanted to put on a show and mean it's a it's a it's a week-long

hype party hmm yeah they're hyping us up. It's one of those things that like, and this isn't the exact, this is not a comparison, but I keep thinking back to, there's a popular clip from the DNC from the 90s, and it's all these politicians from the 90s doing the Macarena while the Macarena plays. Oh, yeah.

And I don't think anyone was ever like, the Macarena's really cool. But so like I'm like, in like 20 years, what's this gonna look like? In 10 years, what's this gonna look like? We are coming up on the last night. For listeners, you've already seen the last night and experienced whatever happens.

We are recording this before Kamala Harris's acceptance speech. We are recording this before some special guest shows up and we are recording this hopefully before a Palestinian American gets to speak at the convention, though maybe not. And Wednesday night felt like, you know, it was this story of contrasts, right? We were watching this often emotional, inspiring speech by Tim Walz and being painfully aware of the protesters for Palestine being kept outside who were shunned from the event, told that uncommitted would not be allowed to have a Palestinian American representative speak on stage despite the fact that Several people were available who were willing to have their five-minute speech vetted by the DNC One of those speeches you can even read online and it's hard to see what would be objectionable about that

Two minutes on that speech. They needed two minutes for that one. It's honestly wild to be, they're just really fucking full steam ahead, barreling through without even acknowledging. I think there's just a huge contingency of people that this is a very big deal, and there are people's lives at stake, and people, it's galling to me that as of right now, the answer is no.

And I definitely hope that answer changes. Yeah, it's also no without even checking. Like the speech that you can read was rejected, but they didn't read it. There was no like feedback or anything. It was just a blanket like no one is going to be speaking about this. We were talking before we started recording the protesters outside listing names of people. Oh yeah, it's really listing names of people who have died and just all these sort of DNC

attendees just sort of literally just putting their hands over their ears. What is it, what are you afraid of by acknowledging this? We all are aware that this is a major, major, major issue for your base. And what are you gaining? Like what? I don't know, is there some sort of strategy of like, oh, well, they're gonna vote for us anyway,

cause we're not Donald Trump. The same is true if you just do the humane thing and acknowledge, right? Well, I mean, they can't acknowledge it, because if they did, they'd have to acknowledge that they don't care. I mean, covering the ears kind of demonstrates that anyway. But at least then, they can not hear it.

But if you acknowledge what's going on, and they also have to acknowledge that it's bad. But if you say that it's bad, then you're saying that like the party is bad on this issue. You're right. And they're just terrified of having to do that because also they would also have to, again, admit that like they don't care enough.

You can say that they're tirelessly working for a ceasefire, but that's not true. Well, I also think that part of the strategy is that they don't think that enough of us care about it. Right. Because if they did, they wouldn't be doing the typical party election thing, which is let's move everybody to the middle.

Like I haven't, I certainly have not watched all of the speeches, but- This is a little boring. I watched the Obamas and walls, and I even watched Oprah's, because I was like, why? She was in purple. I loved her purple glasses. Looking gorgeous. But it was just this very like, neighbor to neighbor,

you know, we are one. If someone's house is on fire, then we're going to do, it doesn't matter what they're doing. And it's like, yes, like I get the function of this. I mean, obviously, little Jon's appearance worked on me. But- It works on me now too, by the way. I'm right there with you.

What was also interesting though in the roll call, and maybe y'all can explain this, was that I did notice that in some of the states that had uncommitted delegates, that went by really quickly. And there was one state, I don't know which one it was, but the person reading off the roll call even just like clearly intentionally like said it really fast. I didn't notice that, but that makes complete sense. My guess is Michigan. But that's sort of what it seems to be like

with this speech thing too. I've even seen people say this of like, well, they don't, it doesn't matter if they vet the speech. It doesn't matter if the speech is like impeccable and looks like this and doesn't say anything disparaging or whatever, because the fear from everyone running the DNC is that they'll say something that's not in the speech. And they're using it as an opportunity to get on stage and say something inflammatory or whatever. Um, and that might happen. It's, um, interesting that there's this like complete lack of trust there of like,

well, the deceit, like the deceitful Palestinian Americans are going to trick us into getting them to say, stop doing the genocide or whatever. whatever. And I think that that's probably part of it too. Like, will we do the roll call fast because somebody might say free Palestine or something or ceasefire now or whatever and create a disturbance. It's funny because saying ceasefire now is ostensibly what they want as well. It's what they're saying even though they're sending the bombs. But like that shouldn't be controversial. I think they might be worried that the speaker won't say anything objectionable and might get booed anyway.

Even if they say end the carnage and bring the hostages home, right? Even if they say the thing that AOC said the other day. Yeah, yes. It's just so at odds with like, to your point, Kristen, like all of these speeches are about unity and like community and neighborliness. And that's what hits home to me too, especially now that I'm living in the mountains

and I live in a small community. When Tim Walz talks about like, yeah, we don't care, grew up in a small town and we don't care what your religion is, but you're my neighbor, what you practice or who you sleep with or any of that, you're a neighbor, you're a community. And I love this message.

This is beautiful and important and true and intrinsically American in my opinion. And we do not apply that to everybody else. It's feels like a real hypocritical thing that's happening with the thing. It feels like hypocrisy. And it feels a little hollow to me as I watch because there is this giant elephant in the room that everybody in that room is aware of.

They are. Yeah. It's hypocritical in a way, but mostly it just comes off as like kind of racist. Like the way we talk about this issue so much in the media especially, but both parties, they don't present or view Palestinians as human beings oftentimes. Even just the way headlines are written about like certain deaths versus other certain deaths and stuff. And that's how it comes off. And clearly they are doing this sort of calculus. Well, we have to, we're gonna lean in

on the Israel side of things because we know that we want those votes to stay. And we're going to just sort of be like, oh, uncommitted this, we're gonna ignore that. And that's the calculus they've made. They can win with these votes and they don't care about these. But they also will turn around and say,

well, you're not, so you're like more, you love Trump because you're not voting or whatever. So their positions to blame this group of people who they are choosing to ignore because they view them as not necessary to win, but when they lose, they'll blame them. Yeah, it's a scapegoat. It's just this thing that always seems to happen.

And yeah, it's hard to ignore. It's right in front of our faces. And they already have an out as far as scapegoating should the Democrats lose, and his name is Joe Biden. I was gonna say, yes! We're right there, Kristen. Yeah, they do. Absolutely have it, but yes, we're right there, Kristen. Yeah, they do. Absolutely have it, but no, we're busy.

With Joe Biden, it's similar thing like the people, the attendees covering their ears and stuff and like, we're not gonna, this is not a thing happening. That's the same thing as Joe Biden being old. It's not the same thing. It's much worse what's going on now, but the mechanism and the tactic is the same and I think that it's Like it's it's so much easier for people to lie and say actually he's

He's the smartest guy I've ever met and he's sharper than me. He gets up He's a he's awake for 20 hours a day and he's got more energy than I do Like that was the line for so long, even though it was obviously not true and with this issue, it's, I think, a lot easier to ignore than to, like, come up with a lie, because you can't say it's good that it's happening. You can't say that we like it. And so they're sticking with ignoring it and claiming that they are working tirelessly for a ceasefire despite sending them the weapons that are being fired.

It does seem that the DNC and the Harris Walls campaign could do the bare minimum and kind of coast to the election with it. I obviously want them to do much more, but it seems like they could have a speaker there. They could say, when I get an office, you know, I understand the tightrope, right? She doesn't want to go against- Joe Biden is still in office. She is still the vice president.

Allegedly. Allegedly. But, you know, you can use vague language. The tone shift worked for a little bit. So I think she could be able to coast politically without even committing to an arms embargo, though I wish she would, right? Like it seems like putting a speaker

on stage four, five minutes at 5 p.m. is a fair minimum they could do, and it might work. Yeah, well, right, it might. It would do a lot to signal to the actually large, a very large population demographic of their voters cares very much about this issue. It's the least that they could do and signal to us that we are being heard. But the truth is, is that I know very little about what Kamala intends to do or what she thinks at this point.

And that is what it is. Maybe we'll find out tonight more. Maybe. I hope that we do. Like, there's a good chance that she'll signal some things. Go ahead, Cody. Well, and that's the thing, like, with the signaling rate. So it's hopeful in the sense that like, oh, we can maybe get rid of Donald Trump forever.

Maybe he'll lose and that'll be that. I'll get a little run again in four years, obviously. But the bar is so low because it's not Joe Biden because Kamala's much better at it than she was four years ago. Tim Walz is a normal human person. Charming, I'll say it, charming. He's a very charming, normal man.

It's great to have that involved in politics. And so the bar is really, really low, depressingly low, because even there is that heckler, the protester at one of Harris' speeches, and she was like, stop, I'm listening, not I'm listening, the opposite of that, I'm speaking. And if you want Donald Trump to win, keep talking. Not a great response.

The next day, she said something else to a protestor, like, ah, I hear you, we're gonna ceasefire, some middling bullshit. And people were like, ah, I hear you, we're gonna ceasefire. Some middling bullshit. And people were like, she listened. Like I think, like obviously there's way more you can do, but so many people were like, oh my gosh, she's listening. Like the bar for the adjustment is so low that it would be very easy to navigate this in a way that again would be disappointing

for a lot of reasons, but it would be helpful for a lot of people as well. Just anything at all. I would be shocked if she touched her with a 10 foot pole. Yeah. Like, because I think it's also the risk of a vibes kind of election when like, there is this sense of like goodwill and like, oh, thank God, a sigh of relief that like Biden is out and you cannot discount the power of

an historic ticket. And the risk in that is that it can create this atmosphere obviously where it's like, okay, well, no, you're a party pooper, and so you need to just shut up and talk to me after November. And I just don't, I don't know, like I, I, I, I don't, I just don't see room for it in the campaign. I think it sucks. Yeah, it does seem like they're not, they're, I mean, maybe it will fall apart. And I disagree. I, I, I, you know.

Of course, of course. Yeah. We all do here. It's clearly, that's the strategy, is to try to do that. And maybe you won't be able to work out that way. And they'll have to actually address it more. It's galling. I don't know. The right word alludes to me at the moment.

And this all has felt a little negative and for good reason. And I know that that might land wrong with people. She's our nominee. We're doing this thing. But I expect more from our party leadership and that is our job to be calling this out and having these conversations. And it is a very strange situation that we are in

where we know that the other person is worse. Much worse. Fundamentally worse in every way and would be worse for this cause that we care so much about. I want to point out that Michigan uncommitted delegate Abbas Alawia, who also would be happy to speak tonight on Thursday night and one of the Founders of the States Uncommitted movement told I believe the Washington Post like I want to feel the joy and said of course I will vote for Kamala

Harris like the they he said like I'm committed I'm voting for Kamala Harris be that as it may I can live with the duality of being incredibly disappointed in this and want more. And also, fine, I'll concede the point of like, well, of course, what do you think I'm going to do? Right? And I think that's fair and fine. And it's still okay to push for more, as of course we will once she's in office.

In this, you know, peak, dem-based situation of the convention, like, it's also too bad, again, asterisk, she hasn't spoken, we have not heard her speak tonight. It's too bad that there's almost not enough trust in the audience to be able to take in maybe slightly nuanced complex information that might arouse particularly pointed feelings. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's interesting. It's just all platitudes.

No, there's a bigger conversation there that I don't have all of my thoughts form, but in general, I think that's a problem with us. We should be able to have hard conversations. We should be able to talk about things with nuance without being called anti-Semitic. We should... Or whatever. And it's not just this issue.

Trump supporters or whatever, yeah. Like, all of this, we should be able to have these conversations instead We're afraid of what the way it's represented in a media headline that gets traction online of the fracturing things being missed So fuck that we need to be able to have these conversations because nothing is just one thing or another. There's always nuance. There's always something to be explored. And I think that is a real detriment to actually, you know, to everything, to actually making changes. Okay. Because also the Democrats are proudly and vocally the big tent party. Like that's the deal of playing being that and that's what comes with it. A lot of people, and a lot of people

are gonna have disagreements, and you can do that without voting for RFK or whatever. You can do that without then, I mean, this specific issue is so heavy and feels, This specific issue is so heavy and feels like there is a right and a wrong in this. But in general with different issues, I think it's really quick to become so heated and hateful. If you don't agree with us that Joe Biden

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I think. Well, love is strong. I don't think that we should put any politician, no matter how fresh of a politician they are, how normal and charismatic seeming they are on a pedestal. He is still a politician and there's gonna, that's just a fact. But I do find him charming and I think his family is very sweet-seeming.

I enjoyed his speech very much personally. And Lil Gus is my hero. I never thought that hearing an older white man talking in football terms to me would feel this good. Could feel this good. I know. I know. I resonant clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose. I'm like, it's still a crazy game,

and what about all that CBT? But I love this. Yeah, I know. I am here for this. He is someone that I genuinely would love to share a meal with and pick his brain and hear more about his life stories. So I did enjoy it. But as established, it was in stark contrast

to what else was happening at the DNC. That Tim Wall's speech could give us an opportunity to talk about how both sides are presenting masculinity and this idea of this. I wanted to bring this up because Ryan Broderick wrote a post the other day called the Veep Gender Wars. And you know, the idea is that the backdrop to this entire election, even though a woman is at the top of the Democratic ticket,

it's like both sides, Republican and Democrat, are presenting these different ideas of American masculinity and conservatives have tried to own what it means to be a man for years. But then meanwhile, here comes Tim Walz, who is a football coach from the Midwest, who was in the National Guard, who likes classic rock and is like a dad, and all this stuff, and it is really kind of breaking, I think, a lot of the right-wing idea of what masculinity's all about, to the point where if he has an awkward movement on stage,

people like Jack Posobic will be like, this is what they want to turn men into and it's like your guy can't order a donut at a donut counter your guy being JD Vance the other whole other story it's so funny because the guy at the top of the ticket like jerks off a bunch of dicks to YMCA

like that's his whole thing. He is so lumbering and awkward. But to your point, it's so... It's just any movement, any sort of like sense of like excitement or joy or anything that isn't this sort of like I'm a serious stoic... I'm the stoic one. It's presented as like look look at this, like female vice president. And it's so off putting, I think, hopefully for a lot of people,

because he's so normal. And the contrast is just so clear, even like we talk about the Gus too, just like this, like, clearly he has a really sweet relationship with his children and contrast that with JD Vance talking on the phone with Trump and telling this kid to shut up about Pokemon. Like, I don't know, it's very- Yes, you do, you know.

Yeah, I know. It is interesting. They're grasping at straws here as to how to attack Wells, I think. I know that they have the whole like, oh, he's misleading about his army service, or I've seen the latest one was like, he lied about the IVF. No, he didn't. His wife got IUI, which is a less recognizable term for fertility treatment or a part of fertility treatments. I just learned about it recently as more of my friends are starting that journey for themselves. You start IUI as an option. And don't ask

me to explain it because I don't know. But it doesn't matter. It's the same fucking, stop swearing, Katie. it's the same thing. You know, but yeah, you could frame it as he's not a masculine man. What do you mean? He's serving the army, he's a football coach. Here's my version of masculinity that I love. What he says in the speech last night,

I think he said it in the speech last night, unless I just heard it from somebody, that when they started the Gay Straight Alliance or whatever they called it at his high school, he volunteered himself to lead it because he thought that would go better specifically because he was the football coach. He thought that that would say a lot, a testament to these students. If the football coach went out of his way to lead this group. That's an incredible insight. And yeah, that is masculinity.

That is saying, like, let me be a leader for my school. I'm secure in who I am. Not even a leader necessarily. It's more just sort of like stepping into and accepting like a supportive role. Yeah. of like stepping into and accepting like a supportive role. Yeah. Which I think really, really also helps with like, that is his role with on this ticket.

He's the vice president. He made that very clear even in his meeting with Kamala like for the interview of like, what do you need me to do? I'm here for you. And he seems to have that about him where he doesn't, it's like, it's not a beta mindset, but it's not an alpha mindset. It's just a sort of like what he talks about

with like community and neighborliness and stuff and being able to support other people. It's very refreshing to see. Absolutely. I think he's a legit public servant, you know, to use like, that was a cool term. What's also so striking about the kind of, what's the opposite of toxic, healthy masculinity that he- Not toxic.

Yeah, non-toxic, organic, certified masculinity. Grasped. Yes, very grasped masculinity that he has been kind of embodying is, think about the policies that he's kind of touting the most. It is child tax credit and feeding kids. He is, and he's talking very easily and openly about reproductive rights, infertility, like this is a man who actually truly seems to give a fuck about not just his family, but like kids, women as people, not just like as the husband of a wife and the son of a daughter.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, I mean? Yeah. And like, I, even as we're talking about this and framing our conversation about Tim Walz with this, I feel a little like, I hate the framing of a masculinity conversation at all. However, the other side is having that conversation and so that's why we're doing this.

And even as you were just speaking, it occurs, like, okay, what is this traditional idea of masculinity? Is it to care for your family, right? To, you know, protect your women, protect your children, and yet most of- To provide. To provide. And it's so twisted right now this this whole conversation of what it

looks like to be a man and you're like oh it's guns and you know getting women and women to do what I want. That's not the fucking point. It's to be a good man. It is to take care of and that is why to me Tim Walls at least this again he's a human being that I don't even know. This is just what I'm seeing. We're doing our best to surmise as we get to know this person. Like, yeah, those are, I feel like you exemplify that. Yeah.

And it's convenient that his, again, is like his opponent is the polar opposite of that. If it were anybody else, it wouldn't be as stark a contrast. is the polar opposite of that. If it were anybody else, it wouldn't be as stark a contrast. It would still be effective because again, like the Republican Party has forced this conversation for so long. They've like put their flag down and they've committed to it

and all the discourse over the past hour, many years has been like about this. They love the Andrew Tates of the world. It's been a part of them. And now the conversation is forced to be had. And it's very convenient that this JD Vance, who's been like kind of like just living in that soup for so long, is the guy who has to eventually talk to Tim on stage and try to be normal against him. And I don't think that's gonna work.

Again, Jonathan, he can't even order a donut properly. Do you guys wanna watch? We can watch it. Well, we can watch it, but I also wanna watch the clip of Trump. Oh, they're quick. We can do both. On Theo Von's podcast. That's a very masculine. Oh my God, Trump went Theo Vonn's podcast. That's a very masculine... Oh my God.

Trump went on Theo Vonn's podcast? Yeah. I thought it was AI at first. It's so weird. I thought it was clipped together. Yeah. But it's, yeah, it's JD Vance being really awkward and not normal at all and Donald Trump being weirdly normal-ish.

I hate to show my dis touch here, but we'll just show the video. So I'll just say this. So as but we'll just show the video. So I'll just say this so as we see somebody's in the video says I don't want to be on camera and JD Vance are very responsible person who's aware of his environment and is the vice presidential candidate is like oh we'll just edit it out so they keep filming I feel like I honestly I feel like if Tim Walz did this he'd be like oh we just won't do the cameras and he would have a conversation and they

wouldn't have to like force this weird clip to exist but the people sharing the video the original clip is not edited it's just her face in the video so that's why Midas Touch is the only one I've seen that has actually downloaded the video and then added a sensor blur over her face Okay I'll just cut her out of anything. I appreciate that, man. I'm Judy Hance, American Vice President, good to see you. Okay. Okay. How are you working?

Take your hands off your fucking hips. What is she? Okay, good. How much do you serve? Almost two years. Okay, good. Okay, good. Yeah, I'll be a lot of glazed here,

some sprinkle stuff. Some sprinkle stuff. Something makes sense. Whatever sprinkle stuff whatever whatever makes sense Whatever makes sense makes me laugh so much. What is the point of this video a man of the people? Well, he only asked like time questions. How long is this don't have been here? This is gonna be a very niche thing this is like an How long has this donut been here? How long has this store been open? How long have you had glazed? This is going to be a very niche thing. This is like an improv student who's like been getting notes so long he's so in his head.

So he's like, be normal, just order donuts. Like a normal person, you could do this, talk to people. You've been doing this your whole life. Alright, how long have you been here? Six months? Okay, good. Good, good, good. Some glaze, cinnamon rolls, I don't know, whatever. Whatever makes sense for a donut box. What are you talking, just some random, I don't know.

Honestly, this is me trying to small talk at a party, but I don't want that from a vice president. I feel like this is- I'm writing for vice president, okay. Well, okay, her okay is amazing, cause she knows who he is. Maybe. But like, maybe.

But like, whatever makes sense, some glaze, some sprinkles, a couple of ones filling. A bear claw. Bear claw, like, do you have a variety pack? Do you have like a variety, like you have a plan thing? He was probably panicking.

He was panicking to order donuts on camera, like a millennial, They can't order anything. They can't talk on the phone these days. Um, like, just don't really... I want to watch the other one. Like, just don't go out. Don't have him go out. Don't have him go out anywhere. This clip is amazing to me because it is so...

It's so weird and awkward. It shouldn't exist. He should know by now that he needs to interact with human beings on the campaign trail with cameras rolling. That's something that he agreed to interact with human beings on the campaign trail with cameras rolling. That's something that he agreed to when he said he would be on the ticket. So he's going to this place and he's just like going down the line asking how long people have been there.

The most uninteresting question you could possibly ask somebody, you're running for vice president, that's your in. Like, Kristen, your point, like you're not at a point like you're not at a party you're not feeling awkward you're not like oh I don't know what's a conversation in small talk you're running for vice president ask them things they care about about what's your favorite donut what's your favorite donut what's your baby get it's a very basic right you could choose one donut for me what would it be like anything that's more charismatic but he

didn't have a plan when he walked in there or if he did it went out the window so now for some real men Theo Vaughn and Donald Trump talking about cocaine amazing no I would just do cocaine. That was really... Yeah. So, not just... Yeah. That's down and dirty, right? Yeah. And this is...

Yeah, this... I mean, it was... Yeah. But you don't anymore? No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing it. Is it too much? Too much to handle?

Some of this stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where we were even getting it from in this country, but yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something. So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part. Right, yeah, but what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll be like, okay, well I had a drink,

then I can do this. Is cocaine a stronger up? Oh yeah, here it is. So you're way up with cocaine, more than anything else you can think of. Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? It'll be-

You'll be out on your own porch, you know? You'll be your own street lamp. You're freaking- And is that a good feeling? No. Horrible. It's a miserable feeling. But you do it anyway, just like the guy you were saying with the scotch.

Amazing. Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie, into your own street lamp is something I'll never forget. I did think that this was fake and it isn't. It's just totally extracted from the Fuller interview. And this is neither here nor there, but it is an important point I need to make is that Theo Von very much reminds me of Keith

from what's the show? Righteous Gemstones. Righteous Gemstones. So to anybody that's watched that show, as soon as I've said it, I know you're going, oh, that's what he reminds me of, because he is Keith. And by the way, this is on Theo Von's podcast. Oh, that's what he reminds me of because he is Keith.

And by the way, this is on Theo Von's podcast. This isn't on Donald Trump's podcast, which you might have not known since he's asking someone questions and seeming interested in the answers. What a weird, that's why. I don't think I've ever seen before. I know, that's why I thought it was fake at first. I was like this, what?

He's shown this like very very few times Where like he is like, oh, this is like a normal conversation where you're asking a person about themselves and you're like, oh, what's that? Like it's very funny that the topic is cocaine It is showing so much interest like as if Theo's a human being, because he could have had this conversation with his shitty son for years, but he apparently has not decided to talk to Don Jr. about this topic. Or anyone in New York City in the 1980s, perhaps.

Yeah. He's never seen the stuff. Never seen it. Well, like, he doesn't drink usually, and I believe that he's never done cocaine like he sure he doesn't want to be out of control he needs to know what's going on. But he knows it's stronger than alcohol right? He knows that. He's got to know that cocaine is does something different than alcohol. I just love Theo's

phrasing. It started making me feel like a mechanic. So good. Unbelievable. Every sentence that comes out of his mouth is like, that's a new sentence. It's amazing. I'm not gonna go as far as to say I'm a Theo Von fan now, but he did make me laugh. He made me laugh. He had Bernie on his podcast recently too.

He had Bernie. Yeah, I like that. All of these spaces where people compare Theo Von to Joe Rogan or at least the earlier days to Joe Rogan, or at least the earlier days of Joe Rogan. So I'm like, but I do actually appreciate, you had Bernie on last week, great. And apparently I haven't seen that one yet,

but it's the same energy. There are some interesting clips of that one because they're agreeing on stuff. The clip I saw was Theo Von talking about how people are burdened by medical debt in our society. Bernie listens to Theo von go on a rambling description of it. But then, Bernie brings it home and says, I think you're absolutely right, Theo. It is absolutely unconscionable that... And he does his whole he like like puts himself out there and he got a lot

of flack for this I think by going on Rogan in 2020 and getting the quote-unquote Rogan endorsement that he couldn't accept but I do think like Bernie will go to places that other people maybe won't or can't for various reasons. We should. Yeah, and hear what they say and be able to frame it in the view and the position he's been trying to preach for so long. But it is kind of like people have a niche where they can do that. Like Pete Buttigieg last night says, hi, I'm Pete Buttigieg, you might know me from Fox News. And Bernie Sanders goes, you might know me from everyone's podcast.

I'll go on and I will talk about the issues. I stay on message like nobody else. My mittens. Yeah. What was also wild about that Bernie interview was that after he answered the medical debt, Bernie was then like, and we can't discount cocaine debt. And they went off on cocaine. Wait, that's funny. Too many people are in debt from spending everything they have on cocaine. Everyone's being a frickin' owl, homie. Everyone's acting like mechanics.

Your own street lamps. You guys have been sleeping on some Bernie impressions, and I'm into it. You've never asked, Katie. Speaking of medical debt, Joe Biden previously said that he was going to get rid of medical debt and I'm wondering if that will be a part of the platform. Well, Tim Wallace told me she's taken on big pharma and it's going to lower my prescription prices. That's all I know. Oh yeah. Middle class tax cuts. I've been very thin on policy. Yeah.

Very thin on policy. No more abolishing the death penalty apparently. Few issues with. And why, like something like that, why do you need to go out of your way to pop that? Just leave it in. No one was complaining about it. Yeah, we weren't on your case about it. It's not, it wasn't an issue until you made an issue by removing it.

Right. Yeah. A lot of like weird, unforced errors going on right now. And one hopes that the vibes will keep that afloat. This is the election full of unforced errors. I mean, it was almost an unforced error keeping Joe Biden in. And I feel like the Harris Walls campaign would need a couple of these every month to not

have an advantage going into November. But we'll see. Lots can happen. And an extra advantage being that it happened so soon. So the actual election is a lot more truncated. Which is nice. Yeah. This is not a real conversation topic.

Did you see that clip on Twitter? Maybe it is a clip. Chris Hayes, people were giving him shit for saying that Joe Biden has a big ego. And he did, he was like, Joe Biden has a huge ego. Let's not forget that. Like he's a public servant and he's done a lot of things. And then everyone was like aghast.

I'm like, I'm sorry. Again, this is like, we should be able to be honest. Obviously he does otherwise we wouldn't be in the situation of him dropping out at the last minute. He wouldn't have been the president ever. Yeah. He wouldn't have been the president ever. But then like Lawrence of Donald's like,

oh Paul, in terms of politicians egos, I would say he was like more of a five or whatever. That people are gonna be like no man. Every president is a 10. If you think you can run the nation and in a lot of ways, the world, you're a 10. It's just so weird to me. But also just the fact that Joe Biden from all reporting and the best that we understand. Up until the day he dropped out of the race and supported Kamala and saw the outpouring of support

His whole life I was like, I'm the only one that could beat Donald Trump He said on camera to the nation that he wouldn't drop out unless God told him to I know! That interview, oh y'all What do you mean it doesn't have an ego? We're podcasters and podcasters are like at an eight minimum. Politicians are a ten and the only person who could force them out is like, and God is an eleven and Nancy Pelosi.

Those are the only two eleven. Because I do think, I mean I know that some people have said like, oh we didn't actually have COVID, but COVID also I I think, was a real win knocked out of his sails. And I'm not saying hashtag thanks COVID. But. The timing did seem to. That's a hashtag.

Just don't say the only person that's going to drop out is God and then get COVID immediately. Well, maybe God didn't like what she heard. There we are. Weather things going on. RFK Junior's probably going to drop out soon. Well, maybe God didn't like what she heard. Mary R. Well, other things going on. RFK Jr. is probably going to drop out soon and apparently is negotiating with Trump. Do we think that there's more voters that he's poaching from the left or the right? I think the right. Oh, 100% for the right.

I don't think he's poaching that many voters at all. Yeah. I mean, that's the risk. He's like, it's from a few. And then if he endorses Trump, some will do that. But a lot of people are like, I'm not going to vote for Trump. I didn't I didn't want to.

That's why I was considering voters for you. But yeah, we'll see. But I don't think it makes it moves the needle. He's been trying so hard. Like he had that conversation with Trump to try to get a position in the cabinet for an endorsement.

And then he also tried to get a meeting with Kamala Harris to try to give her an endorsement for a cabinet position. And this is funny. He's like, I'll endorse whoever hires me. It's like, all right, so what do you believe in? I don't think an endorsement from him is very strong. I don't, uh, I mean, it might work for some people, but just the fact that he's been trying to get any job and endorse whoever gives it to him, maybe speaks to

the weakness of his convictions in terms of who would be the better president. I agree with you completely. Um, Kristen, it was so nice having you here with us. Next time we need to talk more about conspiracy theories and less about the DNC. But please tell our listeners where they can find you, when your new show comes out, where they can listen, all the good stuff.

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