Some More News - Even More News: Trump's "Enemy From Within" And His Impromptu DJ Set

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

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Oh Hello Welcome back to even more news the first and only news podcast. My name is Katie stole You remembered I remembered my name and my tagline and the tagline in the name of the show I'm Cody people don't hi Cody people are confused Because they're like she always remembers. Well, the truth is, is that we already did this intro once and I forgot. So not this time.

Oh, by the way, Jonathan's also here. He's also here. Hi. There he is. There he also is. His signature move, the signature move, the signature slogan saying catchphrase. Hi. My mother-in-law looks at my kid all the time and goes, Jazz hands. And he never reacts, but she just keeps doing it. She's like, eventually. Eventually. Yeah, that's cute. Yeah, absolutely. He'll take to it eventually.

It'll be a fun thing that he remembers about his grandma. We were supposed to have a great guest this week, Talia Levin, who has a new book that she's promoting called Wild Faith, How the Christian Right is Taking Over America. But we had some internet issues and so she'll be here at a future time. But her book is out now. So if you want to check it out, you should check it out. Just check it out.

Let's check it out. We'll get her soon. She's a great guest. And we'll talk about it after it's out. A little bit of housekeeping. What do they say housekeeping? I'm not cleaning my house when I give you news. Taking care of business, tidying up, tidying up loose ends. A little business to take care of and tidy up the ends of is that

we are going to do something a little bit different, very much different than what we've ever done. Extremely different. going to do something a little bit different, very much different than what we've ever done. On election night, we will be doing a live stream. We're gonna play Minecraft all night. Everyone's gasping. Not true. Not what's gonna happen. Oh, okay. All right. Maybe we'll. We've had been having different conversations about this live stream then.

This whole time. Wow. We are not on the same page. We're going to live stream TBD what we're going to do, but it is going to be on election night. I will get some guests. But no video games, are we not playing video games at all in this live stream? I don't know. We're just going to like, I mean, talk about the election. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. That was the plan.

I mean, we could also do a live stream. Depending on how well this live stream goes, we can start live streaming. You trying, trying being the operative word to teach me how to play these video games you speak of. I would love to have a new hobby. I've just never taken to video games, and I always feel left out when the boys are talking about the games that they play. You don't have to force it, though. It's fine.

Put this in your calendar now. Election night. Hang out with your pals for a few hours. We're going to start at 5 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. Mm hmm. Yeah, well, it's still be daylight time or it doesn't matter. I have no idea. When is it? When do we fall back? I don't know. Whatever. If I never will, my time zone. I just think we fall back? I don't know. Whatever. 5pm. I never will know. My time zone.

I just think it should be one and stay and it should be spring forward and stay. It should always be one o'clock. Always one o'clock. It's one o'clock somewhere. We only need one time. Why are there so many different times? It's too many. I know. It's annoying really. But for real we will be live streaming. We will be like we're not going to play video games all night. We're going to be like talking and answering questions and we go.

We talk about things watching Karnak. Exactly like we're trying to get Kornacki to swing by the summer news office. We'll see if that happens. At least Warmbow will be there. Probably not. I know probably not. Karnacki. Talks of like a bingo.

We have some details to suss out, but for now, understand this. It's happening. OK, we've got holidays. Oh, I'm so sorry, boys, for this first one. Wow. Shots fired. Friday, October 18th is National No Beard Day. A holiday that not only celebrates existing beardless people, but encourages people with beards to shave them off.

Cody, please don't do that. I'm not going to do that. You look good without a beard, but thank you. Part of the whole thing that we got going on. Yeah. You look great with your beard. I don't know if I've ever seen you without a beard. I can show you a picture, but I don't want to see that. You would act like a child, like, you know, you know, we do.

I don't think your child. Yeah, I feel like I could just look like your kid and understand what you look like without a beard. I mean, and that's probably as an infant, some slightly differences. Yeah, this might be polarizing to say on national no beard day, but I love a beard so Sorry folks on this Friday, October 18th No, you're you'll get no celebration from us. Do we talk about some news while I'm off fire it up. Yeah, let's do it

What's up in the news? Jonathan, you're the glue. Tell us what's up. Jonathan's the glue is also here. Somebody commented that and I couldn't agree more. Jonathan's the glue that holds us all together. That's why he's the sweetest. It would be chaos if I wasn't here or normal for 150 some episodes. Yeah, we certainly did exist before Jonathan was here, but it's better with you. Is true. So Donald Trump, the guy, the man, he says a lot of fascist things all the time.

We've talked about it. That's incitement. You can't say that recently. You know, he's he's going to be he's running for president. Yeah, he's going to be one of the two possible presidents. Yeah. So a lot has happened because of these comments he gave to Fox News's Maria Bartiromo. And I'd love to play a clip.

Please start off with a clip to watch. It gets better than one of us trying to read it. Let's get the full magic from the man himself. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in and destroying our country, by the way, totally destroying our country, the towns, the villages, they're being inundated. But I don't think the other problem in terms of election day,

I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And I think they're the and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military, because they can't let that happen. What happened? What's that? I believe he's talking about election fraud because he says in terms of election day very quickly. And before this he was talking about immigration, right? The people coming into the country.

So his whole campaign is the immigrants. It's the worst thing ever. They're destroying our country. But the bigger problem is the enemy from within who perhaps the military might have to get involved to do something about. Didn't he specifically name drop Adam Schiff? He said Adam Schiff at another part as one of the radical left lunatics. Yes. He's below the Palosies.

He's also referred to as the enemy within both of them. I believe he is the Palosies. He's also referred to as the enemy within both of them. I believe he said the Palosies. What did Paul do other than get the ship? That's the more difficult part. The Palosies, these people, they're so sick and they're so evil. If they would spend their time trying to make America great again. I'm not even a bother. Yeah, this is like this is, you know. If they would spend their time trying to make America great again, I'm not even a bother

You know, oh gosh It's all coming back how circular all conversations are when Donald Trump is in the news and reminiscent reminiscent of the week Pryor's conversation. Yeah, cuz last week we were talking about Murder genes and genetics of immigrants and. Poisoning the blood of our nation, poisoning, but and. Predictably, the defense of that and of this, I'm assuming is, well, that's not exactly what he meant. And because he's so stream of consciousness and he says this and he says that,

and like we didn't explicitly say it. Like what are the odds that he's actually calling in the military on election day? Probably not. But the fact that this is man is saying this and associating it with specific names of people is so dangerous. And you know what what they always say when somebody tells you who they are, you should believe them. It's not that, oh, out of the gate, he's going to be doing this, but he's so casual, he's so casual just throwing it around as a suggestion.

It's it is horrifying. It is fundamentally. I mean, obviously, I'm preaching to the choir, but fundamentally at odds to what this country is about. And yet we will just see people. We do see people jumping through hoops. I mean, should we play this little clip with Glenn Youngkin? It's like they're just going to. It might be too long to play, but basically Jake Tapper

reads the quote to Glenn Youngkin, the governor of Virginia. And he says, well, I think you're misrepresenting. You know, I think he's talking about the illegal immigrants who are coming into our country and Jake Tapper and look, Jake Tapper. But for what it's worth, he's like, no, I'm reading you the quote. He specifically says the bigger problem is the enemy from within. You know, it's frustrating because even in that it's like I have I am not denying, you know, Glenn's like, you know, you guys want to pretend that this isn't happening and Tappers like. No, I'm not pretending that immigrants aren't coming in at astronomical rates

and that there are murderers that deserve to be in jail. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Jake Tapper's like, I'll see that. There's clearly a border crisis like what? OK, but still like that's not as it's embarrassing, but not as much as the governor of Virginia just pretending. They're not like it used to be. You would just say, well, I haven't I haven't seen the quote. I haven't seen the president's comments or anything.

But yeah, they do still do that. But now he's just like you misrepresented when he said the bigger problem than immigrants is the enemy from within the radical left lunatics who we need to use the military on. No, he was still, like really? He's still talking about the immigrants there? Are you dumb? No, you're a liar.

No, he's a liar. Every cable news interview could be called, are you dumb or are you a liar? Yeah. Sometimes it's both, usually it's liar. Sometimes it's both. Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's extremely frustrating because again, just reiterate the point I made already and the point I made last week is that there is, except that both of these quotes, there's not really much

plausible deniability as to what his intentions are when he says it. There's none. And I did see somebody last week about that quote from last week. And the response was, well, I definitely don't want him to say it again. But that's not what he meant. I don't want him to say the thing he says all the time again. Can't. With this stuff. Katie, what like at what point do you think like, well, I don't want to say it,

but I like that he thinks it. And it was my bad for paraphrasing the quote, my bad for paraphrasing the quote, because then it became you're purposely taking it out of context. I was like, no, I don't have it. No, because then it became, you're purposely taking it out of context. I was like, no, I don't have it. No, but we both know what we're talking about. We both understand what I just okay, great. So let's just be on the same page about what happened. So he said it all the time. He said it so many more times. He's alluded to it much of his life. Also, this enemy from within the enemy within stuff. It's I think one aspect of it is especially frustrating is that

he he is doing it on purpose. Like the just the phrase, the enemy within is a very like, explicit like that's just like a fascist thing. Like that is a that is a tentative fascism of how you talk and what you want to do. It's this sort of imperialistic view of the world pointed inward. And that's what he wants to do. So you have these outsiders coming in and you have these insiders, we get it, we got to kick out. And using the phrase the enemy within is so specific, that it really does seem like he knows that like, oh, if I like, lay this out here, like, it's a signal. Because he's not saying like, yeah, there are there are people in this country who are a danger to us. Like, you're saying

the enemy within it's such a specific phrase that I find it hard to believe that he's not saying on purpose. Thriller movie. It's a great title for a thriller movie. I saw an ad on a bus for something and it's like Into the Fire, the new novel in the Orphan Zero series. Oh, man, that's the life. I want to write Into the Fire, the new bestseller in the Orphan Zero series. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hard boiled spy caper or just like, yeah, like any like

like airport sci fi, just like the riddle of the Argonium Cube. I just want to do that. Yeah. God, I'm sorry. I apologize. It's it's Greg Hurwitz is orphan X book series. I should just start reading those. I love that. Might as well. Yeah, I do, too. Why do I keep trying to read literature?

I just literature, but I just need something that grabs me and takes me out of my body and that I want to curl up and read all day. Just give me something easy to read. You do like I do, you know, to the lighthouse and then the like the book that James Patterson wrote with Bill Corcoran or something. You sound trash. I haven't read that, but kind of what do you bounce in between as you're going like enough of this?

I'm going to go to the fun book. Or do you know? I have to finish a thing first. Well, I've been in the fifth game of Thrones book in my entire son's lifetime. I don't really have time to read it. So it's been I have to like go on the wiki to figure out where what you've been reading.

So you can't you can't dip in and out. You lose track. All right. But speaking of dipping in and out, dip back into the news. Get back in. What else we got here this week? Well, I do. This is bouncing around a little bit. But Kamala Harris was asked or brought up this quote, this enemy from within bit during her Fox News interview with Brett Baier. And then Brett Baier was like ready for it

because he's a hack. Yeah, he's like, well, we asked him about this. And here's what he said. And it's like a different it's a different clip from when Trump was at the Fox News, Georgia town hall with women from Georgia. And he says, no, I didn't mean it as a threat. I was saying this. I was saying that. And then Kamala Harris, to her credit, is like, that's not the clip I'm talking about. And you know, it's not like he said he wants to turn the military on the American people. Yes, he did. We saw him say that. We just saw him say that.

So. Brett, I'm sorry and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he's speaking about the American people. That's not what you just showed. He was asked about that specific. No, no, no, that's not what you just showed

in all fairness and respect to you. No, no, no, I'm telling you, that was the question that we asked him. You didn't show that, and here's the bottom line. He has repeated it many times, and you and I both know that. And you and I both know that he has talked about turning the American military on the American people. I don't know if that kind of thing breaks through, but I did think it was effective.

I think it did kind of break through, at least, I mean, you know, the world we live in. Two different people see two different things all the time now, no matter what, if it's an interview with Trump to there's two different reactions, a common moment is like, Oh, wow, she did a great job is going to be like, Oh, look, she's drunk or whatever. But I've seen that a lot. And it is, I think a testament to just like, to just craving like Brett and Fox and just like, come on, like what do you like this is so transparent and embarrassing for you.

But also to her, like at least saying to her credit, she was like focused and knew that it was a different clip. She knew exactly what she what clip they were talking about, and was fine being like, that's not what it is. It's same thing with like the Yonkin Tapper thing. We just need more of that, because they've gotten away with so much of just like, well, you took out a context or you did this or I haven't read the quote or I haven't seen the tweet, I don't know. And just like just show them. I feel like 10 years ago, we were like, just show them to their face what the truth is

or what the lie is. And sometimes it can be effective. And sometimes it's only frustrating. But it's good that that happened once. And we'll see how it goes from there. Cody, did you want to talk about this Charlamagne the God thing first before we go into the musical? Yeah, so we'll take a quick detour before we get into the DJ set that Trump ran with a bunch of versions of Ave Maria or something. I'll go I will go through I watched the whole thing. I think they aired the whole thing on CNN. Like, oh, really?

Purposefully being like, Well, let's finish up this before we talk about that. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. There's this random moment from, Colin Harris is on Charlotte and the God, and oh, we'll just play it. Excellent. It's two very different visions for our nation. One mind that is about taking us forward and progress and investing the American people, investing in their ambitions, dealing with their challenges. And the other

Donald Trump is about taking us backward. The other is about fascism. Why can't we just say it? Yes, we can say that. Okay. She stopped short of actually saying it, but She didn't say it, but whatever. It's fine. More of that, please. I think that it's, it's been enough time where we can stop like, well, we love to say, we say it or not, is it was gonna offend them. Trump's out there saying we got to like send the military

for the enemy within. And when he's like there, he's always talking about like, they're a threat to democracy. It's fine. So, but I kind of to what we've talked about the past couple weeks, this sort of odd dynamic of tension and contradiction where you're like, Donald Trump is a fascist. And actually, JD Vance, that guy is a weird guy. He's weird. And he's a fascist. And then you're on stage with them. And you're like, I believe that you believe that but Donald Trump doesn't. I you know, you're I think you're a good guy, whatever. And then you have this other thing where it's like, yeah, like you can say it's fascism. Well, then you

need to really lay out your remedy for fascism for one, but also not have this weird like, well, we got to get like some of the nice guys from the fascist party. Like we got Republicans. If you're saying that the Republican Party is controlled by a fascist and has turned into a fascist party. If you're saying you want Republicans in your cabinet, I understand the idea of like, oh, we want like different ideas, and it's good to have this and this and this. If you still say

that you're in the Republican Party, then you are a part of that fascist party. Just say you're a Democrat now. I'm a moderate Democrat or I'm a whatever it is. But if you're like, I'm still a Republican, then you're in the fascist party with Donald Trump and his little fascist goons. You can't say that like, I believe JD Vance, I think you're you're you believe this and you're a good guy and you really care about this stuff. But you're the fascist running mate that doesn't line

up very well. I think they're trying to because they still think we can get our party back. I do still think there's the Dick Cheney's of the world are like, if we get rid of Trump this time We get the Republican Party back and I don't see that happening because we're not something

Because again, it's not like obviously Donald Trump was a Republican Going after the Republican base, but he's not really like he hasn't historically been. He doesn't. He's the Republican Party is a different entity and he's taken over the Republican Party. And there are lots of people that do not trust either party. They both represent the machine and they're very similar. They're very similar, except on the the broad social. Yeah. You know, I mean, I'm just saying a lot of people vote are voting for Donald Trump, not the Republican Party. A lot of people are. I don't know how you take the Republican Party back from this because I don't know who they are without this giant contingency that's been getting him these 50 50 poll results. You know, yeah, I just feel like we've sort of gotten away from this thing that we all kind of agreed on that Donald Trump is the Republican Party. He is he's not like he didn't like show up and like take it over. He's an extension of the Republican Party. He's not like an aberration. He didn't just like show up. It's like I'm gonna change the party. He's like, no, he's an extension of their ideology. He's an extension of the Republican Party. He's not like an aberration. He didn't just show up. It's like, I'm going to change the party.

He's like, no, he's an extension of their ideology. He's an extension of a lot of the things they've done over the past many decades. And he like, yeah, he ramped it up, but he doesn't not. He doesn't not belong there. Like he fits in well, aside from the conspiracy stuff. No, I'm not disagreeing with you, but maybe it's a redefining of it. I'm saying that a lot of the people I've said this with.

A lot of the people would vote for Donald Trump, but not a Republican. Any other. I think that's bad, too. I know, but that's what I'm trying to get at, which is that I don't know who the Republican Party is at this moment without that contingency of people. And the reason they are. Appeal to him, I mean, there are some people a lot broken record, a lot of people vote for him because they still believe that he's outside of the system to some amount.

It does. I just will keep reiterating that we do need more people that are not your career politicians that do not represent the system, speaking to actual issues to people, because that is a big part of the appeal. If we had the the left version of it. I do think we'd all be blown away at the amount of support we pick up from all over. Yeah, that's why we should have.

Yeah, that's why Bernie should have won in 2016 from the beginning of time to the end of time. He would have won in 2016. But it's like all the parties are fucking mess. I mean, I agree. Like that. Like there is an element of them. Yeah, there is an element that they like they of just like, I'm tired of the establishment. I just want something on the outside. But like Donald Trump himself is not that. And I know that people like lie to themselves or like sort of like convinced that he is.

But he is just the party of Reagan, but ramped up to a disgusting degree. He wants all those things. He's trying to do all those things, all the deregulation, all the like centralization of various elements of power, all of the the fucking the one thing he did was tax cuts for the rich. And obviously the Supreme Court stuff that we're still dealing with. So I think that there's some delusion there for sure. But the idea that Trump is like, not just like, yeah, I find it frustrating when like, there are these like, Republicans who are like, well, we can take back the party. This is like we can we it's it's still there. If we just get rid of Trump and stuff. And there's no reflection of like, why did Trump? Why was he

able to do that to our party? Like, why was the Republican Party the perfect fit for Donald Trump to our party? Like, why was the Republican Party the perfect fit for Donald Trump to come in and like, just swat down every single candidate in the primary and become the face of the party? Why is that? Are there things maybe that the party was and has always been and represents

that maybe led to him doing that? So the idea of like, well, we wanna go back to when it was quieter is what I usually hear when I'm like, when people are like, oh, we just want the good, the grand old party. You want it quieter. It's just louder now. And so that's more where my frustration comes from of just this sort of like,

we want them to come over. But like, well, have you? I don't disagree on that. With they want it quieter. I think I think people have been truly shocked at the extent of some of these beliefs within their party too. I think that, but you're right. It says, oh, it just wasn't being publicized or talked about in the same way. And there is a moment of reflection necessary. If you really are that grossed out by it, then you need to come to terms with why it exists. But I do also think that I think that people truly just were surprised by it and the Pandora's box has been opened. Now we talk about things the way that we talk about them and it's ugly.

It's like easy to be like, oh, you're all being duped or whatever. You are. He's the most like selfish, narcissistic person in the world. He doesn't give a fuck about anybody. And every single day, he says something's like, what the fuck? That's awful. And I just at a certain point, it's like, okay, go for it. I stand by there's lots of reasons why people do or do not or I'll say do support him. And some of them are the people that you're discussing.

And a lot of people have other complicated reasons. It's still hard. I will. I don't know if I've ever said this on the show, but I think I've said it to you guys. When I first moved here, part of it, I had this epiphany of I wasn't really raised religious in any capacity. I consider myself spiritual, very open to the idea of something bigger than me, but probably not the one that's been packaged up and cause all the worse. You know, but there are people that I respect in life here and in general. And then you know, and then you learn that they are very Christian, that they're very Catholic.

And I have to accept the fact that you believe this and I don't, and I still respect you. And it's different because this is so tangible in our day to day real lives. But in a way, it's a similar thing of like, I really don't, I can't get inside your brain to understand how you can connect and believe that this was written as fact instead of something that's a guideline for a good life or what have you, you know? And so I feel like I when I'm at my best and regulated, I can lock into that space, I guess. Oh, yeah. We're talking about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's voters. Yeah, I understand that. I have. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a great Donald Trump. Donald Trump's voters. Yeah, I understand that.

I have the same general opinion. I'm not like a religious person, but I've not. I don't disrespect people who have those beliefs, and I think there's value and faith and all that kind of stuff. I do think it's just a different thing that we're dealing with with Donald Trump. It's not really I mean, it's a cult, but it's not a religion. And I know that they're going to be listening like, well, it's the same thing.

All that kind of stuff. I know. But like it is not the same thing. And, you know, it's not like, oh, I was raised to believe in Donald Trump. Like, that's not what's going on here. No. And yeah. But in terms of. know. And, and, and, yeah. But in terms of, uh, this ballot trying to reconcile, which a lot of people are throughout the country, the fact that, how does, how do,

how do people support this person? And, and this is a, this is a good person that I know this is a good human being with good values in general. But when we get into this territory, my mind goes, how is it possible? And that is essentially the way that I kind of compare it for myself. We need to take a break for advertisements. We get to take a break. We get to take a break for kind of a lot of advertisements. I think. Let's see those. Oh, hello. Support for this episode comes from one skin. Oh, we love our flesh, don't we folks?

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Well, we got to talk about Trump's bizarro musical town hall in Oaks, Pennsylvania this week. Or we don't have to, I would like to, it's fun. Before we, I mean, and obviously we can't play it because it would just be music The whole thing is like an hour and 40 minutes if you watch the whole thing So But one thing before I like talk about what happened a lot of people are calling it I've seen a lot of headlines like ooh Trump Town Hall turns into impromptu

concert. No, no, no. A concert is when live music is performed. This is a DJ set at best. He requested. Apparently he loves to be laid, DJ. Yes, he does. This is Marla. All right. I'm going to try. What let me play? Oh, they were real. You guys, it's going to bring the house down.

So here's what happened. They're doing a town hall. It's not like a typical rally. He's in conversation with South Dakota Governor Christy Noem in Oaks, Pennsylvania, about 35 minutes in. And by the way, it's a normal kind of rambly, incoherent answer town hall thing for like 30, 35 minutes. So a little ways in. Someone has a medical incident in the crowd.

They stopped talking, they wait for a doctor to attend to the person. It's silent for a while Trump looks over and he goes that looks a little bad. After a few minutes. Trump was like let's can we pull up Ave Maria while we wait. So then the song plays and while that song is playing, the the sick person gets up and is OK and the crowd applauds. And then they fade the music out. And then the town hall keeps going. There's another question.

And during the answer to that question, which is about like, how are you going to deport millions of people? And he's like, well, very easily, blah, blah, blah. Someone else screams medic, medic. And I believe Trump looks visibly annoyed at this point. And he stops talking. And then someone from the crowd yells, put the AC on. It's steaming in here.

Sounds exactly like that. Trump is like, hey, can we get someone to open the doors, get some air in here? And then the Secret Service is like, no, because people try to shoot you frequently, apparently. And so then Ave Maria comes on again out of nowhere. And then Trump goes over to the side and is like, that's the wrong one. I want the one where Pavarotti singing, not just the instrumental. And so then we were all thinking, obviously, the second patient gets up

and is fine and everyone applauds. And then Christina was like, we'll be praying for you. And it's like, yeah, I'm sure you will. And then Trump, Trump jokes, would anybody else like to faint? Then he goes, you know what? Let's just make this a musical fest. And a lot of people have tried to paint this as some sort of sundowning or mental health incident.

And I watched it and I don't believe it is. I literally think he was just like, fuck it. I don't want to do this anymore. It speaks to just like, fuck it. I don't wanna do this anymore. Let's play music. It speaks to him as a person, but not in the same way that people are making it out to be. I'm curious how the audience took it because I did see people online being like,

or one person online saying, I was there. This is ridiculous. We all, he wasn't restarting it because this stuff kept happening, but we all were having a really nice time It was like a really good experience. It's true. A lot of people were really enjoying it. They played Andrea Bocelli, I'm sure I would prefer it to him speaking as well Yeah, and then they played YMCA which is supposed to be the last song like he always ends with YMCA doing the thing and then He's like nobody's leaving.

OK, let's keep going. And then they play Hallelujah. The Rufus Wainwright version. Sinead O'Connor, Elvis Presley, November Rain, Leonard Cohen version. Now, Jeff Buckley's version is better. Jeff Buckley. That's what I meant. Jeff Buckley did the first, right? I mean, Leonard Cohen wrote the song and did Leonard Cohen. Oh, fuck me. OK, I get this confused.

I got tricked once. But Jeff Buckley, he just has a beautiful, incredible cover of it. It's wonderful. It's the defining cover to me. Definitive Leonard Cohen. OK, great. Cool. I on the sundowning thing.

I don't. I didn't like it when people were doing it for Joe Biden. You don't need to diagnose somebody. You just don't. I don't care if it's somebody you like or hate. You don't need to diagnose them from a distance. You can say he's an old man that acts erratic and you can point out stuff, but I think it's really gross.

And so in general, even though it's Donald Trump, I don't think that that should be people's knee jerk. Look at him, he's got dementia, he's losing his mind, he's sundowning, stop, stop. You didn't like it when they did it to us. Yeah, he's just old and weird. He's old and weird, that's good enough. Yeah, and like, you know, maybe, you know, if he develops something and like,

there will be signs of that. But like him, him being old and weird and like wanting to like jerk off the ghosts to YMCA or whatever is like, yeah, that's just that's just our guy. Yeah, it's a bizarre thing to do three weeks before an election in like the state. You got to win all this stuff. And yes, a few people leave, but like most people are just like hanging out listening to it's just like there's music playing and he's just standing there. And interestingly, the the right side broadcasting network, which like streams all of these Trump

rallies cut out the musical stuff. Like they go from YMCA to the very end. So you have to go to C-SPAN to literally just watch this entire thing unfold. And so it's very bizarre and I think quite funny. But I think if I was going to diagnose him, this wouldn't be in the top 10. Yeah, you wouldn't include this at all.

It would be like, yeah. And I think something that maybe gets missed in conversations about Donald Trump and all of the wild stuff that he does. And like, how could he do that? How could he say that? Isn't he so weird when he does this? Is that it doesn't matter. Any of it gets traction. That's good for him. I don't know if this is calculated or not, but there's a world where he's like, you know what? This clip will go around and people will be talking. It'll piss off a bunch of people and other people will be like, look at everyone pissed off.

Or, you know, maybe it humanizes him to some small percentage of people, but it doesn't really matter. Same thing with the enemy within same thing with jeans doesn't matter. We give them attention and that's advertising and it's keeping him on the side. I guess I'm not saying that that means that we don't react to it. I'm saying that like it, he doesn't care. It's just attention and he's at the top of people's minds and that's in his benefit. I do think that this particular case is less like this will be a thing or this will be a thing and we're just like, fuck it. I want to do the like this is just him being his weird self. But I think you're you're

right. I mean, I just think in some amount, he knows that he can do whatever he wants. He's not trying to play by a rubric. Also couldn't do this. Right? Well, yeah, nobody can do this but him. But also, he these kinds of things that he does, sometimes they do get through like the the murderous genes and the blood of immigrants and stuff. Like that has changed people's minds on stuff. There is this other this Univision town hall where people were like, Yeah, I

didn't like how you handle a pandemic because there's a lot of misinformation out there. A lot of people could have survived but didn't. I don't like that all these people in your administration are like, Trump's a maniac. We shouldn't elect him again. Or the January 6 thing happened during January six. And the fact that, you know, you waited so long to take action while your supporters were attacking the Capitol.

Coronavirus, I thought the public was misled during coronavirus and that many more lives could have been saved if we would have been informed better. And also people in your administration who don't support you. I'm curious how people so close to you and your administration no longer wanna support you. So why would I wanna support you. I'm curious how people so close to you and your administration no longer want to support you. So why would I want to support you?

But he didn't talk about the genetic thing. No, not there. But no, but like I've seen other people like be affected by that. It does get through and affect people. And these things that we say are like, that's horrible, that's horrible. How can he do this? How can he say this?

Those things do affect people, I think, not maybe not enough, maybe not in a like a grand way. But like, these things that we do focus on that we do bring up, they are bad. And they do change people's minds, because everyone's tired of him. Even if they love him. It's still exhausting. You still have to go out there every day and be like, well, I didn't see the quote. Show me the quote.

Oh, that, I didn't read the quote. Like you still have to participate in his little play that he's putting on. I do agree that like giving him attention is like really, really helped him in 2016 and does help him generally because he's out there. Oh, Trump, we love talking about Trump. But I do think some of the worst things he's done and said.

Do get through to people and are off putting for people and even like, you know, JD Vance is like childless cat lady stuff like, yeah, some people are like, whatever, like, but it does if it does get through to some people. His response at that at the Univision town hall to the guy who was like, I'm a Republican, I want to give you a chance to win back my vote. I didn't like January 6th and how you handled that. I didn't like how you handled the pandemic.

Why does your vice president not support you? And his answer to that broke through at least to that crowd. Yes. Of Latino voters, of people being like, I think people doing are doing reactions like yes They are reacting because and I think You know Trump is out like he's canceled a bunch of interviews with like mainstream outlets But he's still out there all the time every day There's a new thing the Bloomberg economic like just constantly and I think he wants to do that

And I think there's a there's got to be a debate inside his campaign, which is like, look, to a certain extent, people have looked back with rose colored glasses on his administration. They're like, well, a burger was cheaper than so great. But like, the more he talks, and the more he's in front of people, I think a lot of the voters at that Univision town hall are like, Oh, I forgot about this shit. Like, and maybe, you know, let this guy talk and it'll hurt him. Yeah. I mean, they're like they're like you're saying like there are these quotes from all these events were like, you just print it out. Read this thing that he said. And like in that town hall, he's like, yeah, actually, Babbit died. Nobody died. I know what what a wild. Stuff like that. And also not answering the guy's question and kind of doubling down on the, literally the point of his question was like, I didn't like this thing and how you handled it.

He's like, oh yeah, it was stolen. They stole the election from me or whatever. Fuck you said. I don't think it was effective judging from that guy's face as he was being answered. And so I do think there there is like a balance there of like, we don't want to give him oxygen, but also sometimes oxygen is like important to give him

because oxygen also burns. I'm also not saying that we shouldn't. Oh, I know. I'm just saying that he is a bit. I don't. It's not that he's untouchable. You're not you're not wrong. I don't disagree with you.

You're like, give somebody rope to hang themselves with, you know, get. See what happens. But yeah, it just becomes such a fervor of he said this, but he meant this or that's out of context, blah, blah, blah, that you lose the thread. And instead, we're just talking about Donald Trump all the time. Totally. I'd like to not talk about it. Well, that's the thing. You talk about him a lot over the next few weeks. And then maybe we don't have to talk about him again until he dies in prison or whatever. Also, side

note, I'm just going to mention this. We We're not gonna spend a lot of time on this. But in case it happens, next this Sunday, reportedly, allegedly, there's a plan to have Donald Trump go to McDonald's, go to McDonald's in Pennsylvania, and like work the fryer. And like, I'll look at me, I'm a politician, I'm working the fryer. Just like McDonald's. He loves McDonald's and stuff. I think there's a more than 15 percent chance that he'll get too hot in there and die and just keel over and fry his face in that fryer. I like it's not I wasn't taking it there. I thought he was going to splash some hot oil on his face or something. Have a bad time and it'll be unpleasant and he'll be like,

I can never do this, but he won't do it. Like he's not going to make their lives better or anything like that. But I do think non-zero chance he will die in that fryer. What if, what if he's like, how long have you worked here? Six months? Okay. How long have you worked here? How long has this place been here?

Okay, whatever. Like he just, he just pulls a vans. I'd love it if like, he's like trying to run the cashier and someone orders food like I want a Big Mac, I want those large fries stuff. And he turns his like whatever makes sense. And he does. And he does. It's all on me and then he just leaves.

Yeah, exactly. But I just wanted to put it out there in the world that if he does get too hot and sweaty by that fryer and die and fry his face in the fryer. I called it and you're welcome, America. So gruesome. It's like this. It's like one of the funnier things that could happen. We've talked about we've talked about like, you know, like obviously like getting shot

getting shot in public on television is like a horrific thing to have happen to a person and to have happened publicly at all. That like we don't want that to happen. You can get too hot and fall into a fryer. That'd be kind of funny. He fell falls into the whole thing. Oh, yeah. He gets too hot. I was like, oh, my God, so I'm so sweaty.

And then he falls, falls, face towards. He's going to go out. They're not that big of priors, right? Sounds like some really long time in there. And I'm not even shaming like I don't think a human person could get a know a person. Yeah, I'm glad we did the fun stuff first this week. Yeah, I know.

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Not fun stuff. Jonathan, can you catch us up to speed? Yeah, it's been a bleak few days on the Israel-Gaza-Lebanon front. Israel attacked the Al-Aqsa hospital in Gaza again. Again. Again. Israel attacked the Al Aqsa hospital in Gaza again. Again. Again. But I remember when everyone said Israel would not ever target a hospital.

No, now it's good that they do it. Now it's good that they do actually. Yeah, fire ripped through a tent camp in the complex killing at least four people. There were some images, I'm sure you saw, of a patient hooked up to an IV who burned alive. Dozens more were injured. Israel said they were targeting a Hamas command and control center, yada, yada, yada. Their offensive in Lebanon has continued. About 700,000 people in the country have been displaced thus far. And I don't know if you guys read this New York Times piece by Feroz Sidhuah. He was a he's an American trauma surgeon who volunteered in March and April in Gaza. And he said that pretty much every day he was there.

They would bring in a young child who had been shot in the head or the chest and other American doctors in Gaza told him the same thing. This piece was attacked. People assumed it couldn't be true or they tried to point out that the CT scans didn't look accurate. The New York Times stood by the report and they said they had photos corroborating these claims that children were shot in the head, but that they were too graphic and disturbing to print. That's a reasonable judgment to make that some of these images are going to be too graphic to print. I feel a little nauseous and sick thinking about it.

I don't have the words any of what to say. I feel so overwhelmed by this and the images that we do see and people need to know what's happening. And but yeah, you're not going to print that. Sorry, go ahead, Jonathan. It's been going on for a year. Yeah, it's just tough to like, you know, the Biden administration, again, threatened to cut weapons funding to Israel if the humanitarian situation in Gaza does not improve.

They've done this before or threatened to cut off funding and weapons before and have not done it. So I don't know if we can see that as anything other than an empty threat. And of course, right before we started recording, they announced that Hamas leader, Yaya Sinwar, was killed. One would think this might mean the offensive would change. But at this point, I kind of don't think that's going to happen. No, it's not. It's just.

I think they've also already pulled back on the threat of withholding the weapons. They national security spokesperson John Kirby said that the letter sent from Secretary of State Antony Blinken was not intended, not meant as a threat. They were just suggesting that they'd really like the humanitarian situation to improve the same way. They said, don't go into Rafa or we might be forced to not send you weapons. And then they went into Rafa and you can't you can't.

One shipment was temporarily held up, maybe. And then not follow through. And now they just called your bluff that way. Pathetic, pathetic. It's a suggestion. You have a plan like and just like, well, we're suggesting maybe it would be nice if you could just like do kill fewer people. And then you have just like the same old like statement about like, well,

we need to, you know, secure, make sure that Israel's secure and also the Palestinians have a right to like live. I forget like the line now. But it's just like it just feels so empty. When there's no action or even like say it's a threat, say like, yeah, we'd like that. Whatever, they're not going to do that. We just move so quickly now from. Israel would never do that to. Well, they had to do it. For various reasons. And then a lot of people will say, no, it's good that they did it because that's future Hamas right there, which is like kind of the most disgusting thing. It's disgusting.

Did you guys see Brianna Wu's tweet? I may. I've seen a lot of terrible. of the most disgusting thing that's disgusting. Did you guys see Brianna Wu's tweet? I may. I've seen a lot of her terrible. Tweed. Bad. Is the one where she compares to the KKK or like, what are we doing? No, let's see. I finally responded to something she said. Oh, don't do that. Oh, really?

You wars are tragic. People die. So it's unwise to start them. There's reason this conflict has raged for 76 years as Israel has never been allowed to win and their opponents are always allowed to draw. It's hard to see civilians die, churns my stomach too, but the truth is Israel has every right to defend itself and their theocratic Islamist opponents are committing war crimes by operating in civilian areas. The most effective way to end this horror is to stop holding Israel to insane double standards and let them eliminate the terrorist freaks that are destabilizing the Middle East. If America had any sense, we'd support them and understand this is a gift to the world.

We do. Like, if America had any sense, yeah, we do. Brianna, like you're the majority. Your opinion is that of the administration that is providing all the weapons. Like, what is she, who she like pushing back on? Some random fucking like 22 year old Twitter user. And she's also says, I just need to get through this. I need I get through this election and then we need to get the radical freaks

out of the Democratic Party. We need to get them out. And it's like, she does get a lot of threats online because she keeps fucking doubling down and doubling down on horrific things. This is as bad as any threat, in my opinion, because she's basically advocating to annihilate Palestinians. Yeah, she supports the genocide. It's like, it doesn't, it sucks, but we got to do it. It's just a case.

It's genocidal justification is what it is. It's literally it's what it's what everyone accused everyone like any pro-Palestinian or like pro-Gaussian person of of like, well, you're justifying these these these these horrific things. Like that's what you're doing. You just did a whole tweet justifying the last year of all this horrific stuff i mean she has the bangers every day ugly stuff i i i want her to she follows me and i want to be like i'm just not going to pay attention but every time i see one i want to be like unfollow me oh you're soft blocker soft blocker how do i do that uh so i will maybe not

anymore because elon's changing blocks if you block somebody who's following you and then you unblock them They're not blocked, but they're no longer following you. All right, you know, there's this like This idea of like well look 80 million plus people are gonna vote for Donald Trump. They're not all Nazis and I'd say, you know, yes They're not all Nazis, but they're at least okay with the Nazi stuff. And now I don't even know if I believe that because I would not say that everyone voting for Kamala Harris is okay with genocide.

But I do think it would be easy to make that point. So obviously, I would disagree with people that are like more afraid of the things that the Democrats will do. And that's why we got no choice but to vote for Donald Trump. I think it's like Trump voters tend to be a lot more adamant about it, but it is very tough to see this stuff three weeks before an election and have to, you know, think, you know, like, OK, I got to do the thing that might suggest that I am OK with what is going on in any respect. And there's a lot of democratic voters who are OK with it. Most I don't believe are what 70 percent want to cease fire still. I don't know if they've done a poll recently. I mean, it's been a year. Why bother? It's just going to go on forever.

So why why care what the people want to be done? It's very bleak. And you try to make sense of it. Definitely not everybody that's going to vote for Kamala supports genocide. Well, it's like if you're if there are two parties and they both kind of support genocide, it's like, what do you? In a way, that is the same for the other side, you know, for sure, like I, we haven't done that whole conversation, because it's like, why, you know, we're not going to preach to people about what to do or whatever. But like, that would be

the argument, right? Of like, okay, you're, you're so upset about this, you're not going to vote for Kamala Harris, because I'm so upset about this thing. And it's like, OK, from a practical standpoint, where are you? Regardless of what happens in three weeks, like I'm just at the point where I think there's nothing you can do with your vote that can impact this at all. Probably not voting wise. I mean, there's she loses. I don't want her to.

But if somebody is against their conscience to vote for an administration that is then I don't want her to. But if somebody is against their conscience to vote for an administration, that is then I don't begrudge that. I don't know. I hate to say that. But no, but I mean, they know. If they lose, this is why if this is a big part of the why, I don't think they will think so. I think they will blame the left for abandoning them. And I like that's the thing is, I don't think they will think that I think they will blame the left for abandoning them. And I like that's the thing is I don't think the Democratic Party will be taught a lesson.

Right. That's the idea is like, we got to teach these people a lesson. And I don't believe a lesson will be learned. I believe that no matter what happens, it will it'll either be like, see, we were right to pivot to the center slash right because we won, it'll either be like, see, we were right to pivot to the center slash right because we won, or we lost and it's the left's fault. Right? There's never going to be a we should have, we should have listened leave it is going to happen. It's usually based off of like, people's tweets, like, well, I'm not going to vote like you highlight like, oh, wow, this person said that they were going to vote for a combo over this, but now they're saying they're not like see the left kid like I don't give a shit about this fucking tweet like yeah it's very frustrating I did kind of want to talk about Kamala and some of her attempts to reach black voters that felt but next week maybe you don't think the crypto asset protection is going to it. It just, no. Although I will say also on that Charlamagne the God interview, she mentioned there needs to be a database of cops who shoot people or are abusive so that they can't just sort of bounce around

from a precinct to precinct, which happens a lot. We've talked about it before. Great idea. It's a good idea, yeah. That's the kind of thing, it's like, oh, so you get it to the point where like, you know that this is a problem. So I don't know credit where credit is due, but also anyway, we're way over. We got to get this to our editor so that we can get this out on time.

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All right guys. We did it. We're done. This show is over There is only one more thing to say. What is it, though? That is that. What is it, though? Love you very much. Love you very much. For years, Tim Ballard has been championed as a modern-day superhero.

The first time I saw one of the kids from the video, and it like changed my life. He was the face of Operation Underground Railroad, a movement that inspired hope around the world by rescuing children from human traffickers. However, Ballard's crusade to save innocent lives has always hidden a darker secret. Well, I think he's a pathological liar. Beneath the accolades and the applause, a dark storm has been brewing. I mean, I can't find a time that he's told the truth about anything. Shocking allegations of sexual misconduct have surfaced, casting a shadow over his once unquestioned

reputation. I am host Sarah James McLaughlin, and in this new season of The Opportunist, we explore the rise and the fall of Tim Ballard. Join us this October for Tim Ballard Unmasking a Hero. Subscribe to a new season of The Opportunist now, wherever you get your podcasts.