Some More News - SMN: Protests Don't Need To Be Civil

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Hi. In today's episode, we look at the constant calls for "civility" during any protest movement and examine why those in power always criticize protesters for not doing it "the right way." Sources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19fYWKJ6xEtRa2KHbmFE1Y3mjKGAAID3kbj69dfWK4QU/edit?usp=sharing Support us on our PATREON: http://patreon.com/somemorenews  Check out our MERCH STORE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/somemorenews?ref_id=9949  SUBSCRIBE to SOME MORE NEWS: https://tinyurl.com/ybfx89rh    Subscribe to the Even More News and SMN audio podcasts here: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/some-more-news/id1364825229  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ebqegozpFt9hY2WJ7TDiA?si=5keGjCe5SxejFN1XkQlZ3w&dl_branch=1  Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/even-more-news   Follow us on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/SomeMoreNews  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/SomeMoreNews/  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SomeMoreNews/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somemorenews  TUSHY is kicking off the summer with 40% off all bidets! The biggest sale of the year will be running May 31st thru June 9th. Go to HELLOTUSHY.com\MORENEWS and use promo code MORENEWS to get 40% off plus FREE shipping on your bidet order! That's HELLOTUSHY.com\MORENEWS for FORTY PERCENT OFF. So protect yourself with the VPN that I use and trust. Use my link EXPRESSVPN.com/MORENEWS today for an extra three months free on a one-year package. That's EXPRESSVPN.com/MORENEWS. Visit EXPRESSVPN.com/MORENEWS to learn more. If you want to take ownership of your health, try AG1 and get a FREE 1-yearsupply of Vitamin D AND 5 Free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to drinkAG1.com/MORENEWS. That's drinkAG1.com/MORENEWS. Check it out.

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and not miss Cody's company. Pretty rude not to have corn cream in the new studio, you know? Wait, is corn cream? Why am I bothering with this? This is my desk. I have a receipt. It's somewhere.

These plastic straws are blocking the shot in this weird way. Why don't you just get rid of them and also please leave forever? No need to be rude. Wombo has a permit. If Mr. Cody wants Wombo's pipeline gone, Mr. Cody needs to write to his Congressman

or get signatures or get on a podcast and read the signatures to a congressman. You think you have a permit to pump corn cream into the studio? Yep. Pump it right on the floor. I'm getting the taser. Silly goat! You will never get anywhere with that kind of aggressive and violent attitude. You have ten seconds.

Protest used to be civil, you know. Wombo is gonna make some phone calls. This isn't a protest, you B-list muppet. Protests don't need to be civil. Sorry I had to see that folks. Actually, you know what? I'm not sorry about anything, ever. It's good that you saw that.

Good for America. And you know what else is good for America? Protesting. The thing this episode is about. Recently, the Tennessee GOP expelled two Democrats from their House of Representatives for participating in a gun control protest occurring at the state Capitol. Although there were actually three Democrats

from the state house that participated in that protest, one of them was spared from being expelled. Hey, can you guess which one? Why were those two expelled and you weren't? Well, I think it's pretty clear I'm a 60 year old white woman and they are two young black men. Yeah, America is fun. Now, some have said the real reason why Johnson was spared and representatives Justin Jones and Justin Pearson weren't was because she didn't use a megaphone during the protest.

Or maybe they just had too many J names and needed to cut one. Or, you know, racism. It's probably that. And even if that megaphone thing was true, that's still a bad reason. Sure, megaphones are disruptive, but they aren't destructive

unless you count that one Simpsons gag. Surely, there has to be some other reasoning why the GOP members voted to expel those specific Js, but not the other J, right? I mean, besides the racism? Or the fact that they were specifically protesting their colleagues inaction on gun control. Is there any other gosh darn reason

they claim this expulsion happened besides spite? If you want to conduct business in this house, file a bill. Be recognized, stand there and present it, and pass it. All you gotta do is pass a bill. You see? All he had to do is pass a bill about gun control in Tennessee, in a house that's over 70% Republican and plans to do absolutely nothing about gun violence. It's that simple, folks. And being a part of this protest is apparently just a temper tantrum for attention. You know, because good protests are the ones

that get zero attention. Call me wacky balls McBeef, but this idea that change should exclusively come from within the system only works if that system also works. And considering that the Tennessee GOP is refusing to enact gun control laws, and in fact are helping the gun industry when public opinion in the state shows that most people want gun control,

well, then that system is broken. You can't purposefully ignore democracy and then wag your puffy digit when people look for solutions outside of the system. And that's assuming that protesting is outside the system, which I would argue is not the case. So it really seems like they have purposefully created an impossible situation and are now punishing

and talking down to these people for not simply giving in something that isn't lost on these expelled lawmakers. How many of you want to be spoken to that way? these expelled lawmakers. How many of you want to be spoken to that way? We're not talking about politics. We're not talking about even gun violence. How many of you would want to be spoken to that way? The reason that I believe the sponsor of this legislation, of this resolution spoke that way,

is because he's comfortable doing it. Because there's a decorum that allows it. Pearson is right. It really seems like the Tennessee GOP are using this superficial idea of etiquette as a bludgeon. And it is superficial. After all, there's nothing polite about ignoring gun violence, even if you do it while speaking in a calm voice. And this act of hiding behind

decorum gets even more obvious when you see this next clip. Let's talk about expulsion. For years, one of your colleagues who was an admitted child molester sat in this chamber. No expulsion. One member sits in this colleagues who was an admitted child molester sat in this chamber. No expulsion. One member sits in this chamber who was found guilty of domestic violence. No expulsion. We had a former speaker sit in this chamber who is now under federal investigation. No expulsion.

We have a member still under federal investigation. No expulsion. We had a member pee in federal investigation. No expulsion. We had a member pee in another member's chair in this chamber. No expulsion. Right. It's hard to think this is about being polite and following proper decorum when they didn't care about Captain Piss Chair and Mr. Molester, titles that can accurately describe real events involving Republican Tennessee lawmakers. So it just feels like plain old bullshit,

as does most finger wagging from the GOP when it comes to these conversations about politeness. So this specific event is a pretty good microcosm of what we'll be talking about in this video. Luckily for Jones and Pearson, they were both ultimately reappointed. But this isn't the only incident wherein those in power try to shame protesters for not doing things the right way.

Hey, be more humble when asking not to be deported to a country you didn't grow up in. So rude. Don't heckle Ann Coulter when she's speaking at your college that might have been paid for with your tuition dollars. Don't take a knee during the national anthem, Colin Kaepernick.

The only time it's appropriate to take a knee is to run down the clock to finish the game. So if all of those methods are apparently the wrong way to protest for a cause, what's the right or correct way for the public to properly and effectively express discontent to those in power? Seems like a bit of a puzzle since politicians

will attempt to block their critics on social media, barricade themselves in their office, or even allegedly hide on a fucking rooftop rather than face their constituents. Other politicians want to limit the reach of the press that could help get answers or a response because they're afraid of possible confrontation and potential messages

that they don't like. Hell, President Joe Biden doesn't address the press much either, which is weird because old people usually love being on the news. But those are bigger, sleepier fish. They tell us to think globally, act locally for stuff like government change or saving the planet or starting a cult.

So I guess we should start with our local city and state councils, right? That way we can do some change on a small scale and watch it magically grow like those pills that you submerge in water and turn into sponge dinosaurs that smell weird and taste weird too, I'm told. Second Simpsons reference right there. Good for you for watching.

But more and more of these council meetings throughout the US are closed to public comment or make their meetings Zoom only to give the moderators an ability to limit or ban chat, which also limits accessibility to only those with internet access. They also limit accessibility in general by taking away phone options or changing meeting times

to ones that make it harder for regular people to attend due to typical workday hours. And even if you jump all those hurdles, they can still cut your speaking time. Or they have the power to just ban or punish you for being disruptive, which seems pretty subjective and generalized. Look, I know that public forums might be filled

with people that seem off-putting or hell bent on discussing unimportant matters to get personal attention. Or at least that's how pop culture portrays them. Sometimes they might be vampires or Simpsons reference number three. It's your children's future. Children are important. It's not this.

It'll cost you. Go to Texas. I'm sure that's the image in their minds every time they add a new hurdle to this process or just get rid of town hall meetings altogether. But now that this avenue has been kneecapped and ostracized, anyone looking to enact change is left with two possible choices.

Either wait and hopefully, maybe, eventually vote in people who can undo or stop the thing, perhaps after the next election cycle, if we're good little voters, unless your area is gerrymandered again, or, you know, freaking protest. Not because it's fun or for attention, but because there's no other way.

Are protests disruptive? Sure are, that's the point. But that's what happens when you take away all the non-disruptive tactics, isn't it? The bullhorn is all we have left, which of course makes it especially frustrating when they are now complaining about all the noise.

Because we're now seeing this weird push against protests. This idea that modern demonstrations are somehow more uncivil than they used to be. And while they tend to be the loudest, it's not just the right saying this. Even the people who believe in the causes will often claim that certain tactics will hurt the cause or create these weird moral lines about what is

and isn't off limits. There seems to be this vague idea of the correct way to protest that's now bouncing around everyone's minds. And so this episode is going to explore that. After the break, we're going to talk about what the supposed rules are to protesting and figure out the, if any, so-called right way. I see you down there.

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Violence? I never touched you. I threatened violence, which is different. You used violence against Wombo's property, which makes you and what you represent bad. But Wombo forgives. Yes, he does. Does Mr. Cody want to sing a song with Wombo

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Hey, we're back! Warmbo is pawing under the door like a hungry cat, but we can't hear him, can we? We're safe. For now. And we were talking about how those in power tend to criticize protesting. Specifically, how protesters aren't doing it the right way.

So I guess the question is, what is the right way to protest? What are the preferred rules? Is there an FAQ near the back of the Constitution? The GOP and Democrats certainly don't have a straight answer. But apparently, the American Civil Liberties Union does. I mean, obviously this is subjective, but let's see what they have to say.

For starters, the ACLU states that all types of expression are allowed in public spaces, but can be subject to time, place, and manner restrictions by government officials and the police. So you can say what you want, but you might still have to make an appointment, stay in one place, and behave in a certain way. Or maybe you don't have to,

or maybe you just can't at all. It's as clear as corn cream, which I sure hope is the same as creamed corn. Otherwise, let's keep looking through these guidelines. Where should we protest? Well, per the ACLU, we should be able to protest within public streets, sidewalks, and parks.

Well, that's true in theory for now, but there have been multiple bills pushed by the GOP to have motorists able to legally get away with running over protesters, so these rules might need a quick update, and more on that later. And do we need a permit? Well, according to the ACLU, no.

And yes, sometimes. Also, you might need to pay a fee to exercise your freedom of speech, which could help cover the overtime pay for the cops that will be present there. You know, because we all know how police presence usually prevents violence. Time and time and time and time and time and time

and time again. But hey, the ACLU says, if you feel that your right to free speech is being violated by a cop or you feel threatened by a police officer, just go ahead and ask to talk to their supervisor. Maybe you won't get maced, tear gassed, clubbed, or shot for merely asking for the manager,

if you're white, I mean, and if you're polite, and if you make sure to have detailed documents that prove that you know the law better than the cop who will pretend that they know the law. So yeah, the ACLU means well, but this proves that even the right way to protest still sounds kind of wrong. And it's just as risky

as if you didn't follow these rules at all. But the big rule that most people tend to agree with is the need for nonviolent protests. We hear it all the time about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and his nonviolent history, and how he's the gold standard of what protests should be. We actually did an entire episode about this subject, specifically that MLK is often invoked by Republicans in what I would call disingenuous ways. When I hear people, you know, scream Black

Lives Matter, I'm thinking, of course they do. But all lives matter. It's not that any life matters more than another. That's the whole message I think that Dr. King tried to present. And I think he'd be appalled by the notion that we're elevating some lives above others. Sure, Mike, civil rights leader, Martin Luther King would be appalled by civil rights movements. That makes a lot of sense. Hope your weird variety show is going well. You definitely serious man.

Mike Yuckaby over there, just yucking it up with his little ideas about MLK. But in terms of protesting, it's true that MLK was nonviolent, but he was also really disruptive. Whether you deified him in death or not, King's message was, I have a dream, not I have a permit. Sit-ins were disruptive.

The Montgomery bus boycott was disruptive. His multiple marches were disruptive. He organized things that were certainly more disruptive than Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem. And of course, the people using his name always keep forgetting how King was vilified by the majority until he was assassinated. The ultimate cancellation.

People didn't admire his protests at the time they happened. They often tried to make them out to be violent and misguided, and he was harassed by the cops just as much as protesters today. Also, pause the video and read Letter from Birmingham Jail. I will wait, you're back, cool. That letter was actually in direct response to accusations from eight white clergymen

that MLK was inciting violence. In fact, the I Have a Dream speech was, at the time, expected by the government to be a race riot because it's not like there wasn't violence happening during this time. And in fact, violence played a large part, albeit violence that was often from the police and against the protesters,

such as what happened during the March on Selma, which became historical in part due to the brutality inflicted by the cops. There were also the Harlem Riots of 1964, which were a direct result of a cop shooting a black teenager. Wow, that sounds familiar, but surely I'm imagining things, or maybe they've solved this issue. Martin Luther King spoke about quote, "'Urban riots' and let me tell ya, his response wasn't to be appalled, specifically when it came to looting and destruction of property.

I quote, "'Often the Negro does not even want what he takes. He wants the experience of taking, but most of all alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis

in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit, whites and Negroes looted in unity. Nothing brings people together quite like taking junk.

Just like that Sublime song says, or you know, Dr. Martin Luther King, but mostly Sublime, which in a lot of ways is the modern Martin Luther King, if 1996 is modern to you. On a similar note, there's a widely cited MLK quote where he accused Malcolm X of having done, and this is the quote,

himself and our people a great disservice when it came to speaking about violence, which it turns out is completely false, as in he literally did not say that according to the transcript of the Playboy interview that originally came from. But to be effed and beed, MLK did still disagree with a lot of Malcolm X's views,

specifically around the use of violence. But the point is that none of this is as clear cut as anyone using Martin Luther King's words want it to be. You know, because he's dead and we can't ask him. Because someone shot and killed him. And when I say someone, I kinda mean the FBI. Maybe. Maybe they did it.

Anyway, looting and property destruction often gets mixed into the broader term of violence. And you know, maybe that's not quite right. Property is stuff. It's not alive. I mean, unless we're in a toy story, which boy, we're all going to hell if that's the case. Comparing all destruction of property to violence

is probably a tad bit silly, but that isn't to say it's never an act of violence. For example, spray painting a swastika on the side of a Jewish temple it's never an act of violence. For example, spray painting a swastika on the side of a Jewish temple sure seems like an act of violence in that it implies a violent act. But to file every act of property destruction as violence would drastically redefine many historical moments

in this country. So sure, nonviolence is generally good. Most protests ideally don't become violent, but we can say that so long as we understand the parameters of what constitutes actual violence. And as you can already tell, those lines can be blurry. But here's a broader question. When we talk about defining nonviolence

or what it means to be civil in a protest, doesn't it make sense to balance that against what the protest is actually about? Going back to the avenues of communication, they have shut off such as town halls and combine that with political actions designed to limit human rights, and I'm not sure civility is an option at all.

For example, pro-choice advocates gathering outside the homes of Supreme Court justices in the lead up to their ruling on Roe v. Wade, which spoiler alert, they overturned. This brought shamey, waggly fingers and shamey, waggly words from representatives on the right and the left. But now, seeing that they put a map out of the Supreme Court justices' residences and their homes,

like are they encouraging open season on our Supreme Court justices? Like what's going on here? And we know that these protests can turn into riots overnight very quickly. These people are very angry and I support the right to peaceful protests and the right to free speech and saying what you want to say, but we should be discouraging this. This can be a very dangerous situation. That was South Carolina representative Nancy Mace, who was invited to discuss these protesters

because her home was previously vandalized in 2021, supposedly by left-wing extremists. Or maybe she made it up and vandalized her own home, unconfirmed. Either way, it's just like some paint, a lot of middle school words, so excuse me while I don't get super upset, or the vapors. But the idea of protesters literally knocking on these people's doors ruffled a lot of middle school words. So excuse me while I don't get super upset or the vapors.

But the idea of protesters literally knocking on these people's doors ruffled a lot of feathers. From Hannity to Democrat Dick Durbin, or D3 as he's called by nobody. What the fuck? After all, it's intimidation as Hannity calls it. What of their children or their privacy? What about their poor neighbors who,

well, are also part of the protests? Still, I get it. It's a visceral thing to happen and an upsetting invasion of privacy that can hurt entire families. Like, you know, forcing women to keep an unwanted pregnancy. Not to mention that at least one of these protests, specifically outside of Justice Samuel Alito's home, was done by the group Shut Down DC

because they couldn't contact him at the Supreme Court. So yeah, maybe having some line of communication or even a fucking suggestion box could have curbed things a smidge. But again, we're talking about human rights being decided by an unreachable and ridiculously small group of people who weren't even elected into their position.

The fuck else are these protesters supposed to be doing? And ultimately they're just outside of these homes expressing their discontent on public property. And while picketing and protesting to influence a judge's decision is considered technically illegal due to persuasive intimidation, so fucking what?

Again, there's no other option. And you know what's also technically illegal? All the actual crimes of actual assault and battery against actual people done by actual violent protesters at abortion clinics, which rose 128% since 2021. And the patients and doctors at those clinics don't have security detail like justices or politicians do. And if you're really concerned about property,

you should see the shit they do to those clinics. Bombings, arson, fucking breaking in and stealing patient files. Seems like that's way more concerning than some two bad neighbors, Simpsons graffiti shit. That is four Simpsons references. Give me my millennial card. It's just really goddamn hard to pretend to clutch pearls

about some fucking spray paint or yelling outside a politician's house when it is in response to laws that are directly killing a chunk of the population. Speaking of which, remember when Maxine Waters inflamed a very volatile situation while waiting for Derek Chauvin's verdict for the murder of George Floyd,

which he got convicted for because he murdered him. When she carelessly said something so controversial, so violent, so upsetting, so out of line that the GOP tried to have her censured. Well, we got that offensive clip and hopefully YouTube will allow us to show it. Before we play it, please make sure any kids are out of the room. We're looking for a guilty verdict.

What should protesters do? Well, we gotta stay on the street and we've got to get more active. We've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business. Are we, did we get the right clip? What's the issue with this? Really? Get more confrontational?

That's what the media ran with as an example of inciting violence? You think that's why there was violence during these protests? Because of what Maxine Waters said? Or, you know, maybe all that other shit the cops did. Do we have a clip of that? He just hit that girl.

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They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot. They got shot down to is this. The concept of civility as it relates to protests is actually just defined by a lot of superficial parameters of what politeness looks like, often based on societal norms, even if those norms are terrible. I hate to side with the fucking joker on this one,

but I think you understand what I'm saying here. Cops dragging someone to the ground and killing them, for example, is not civil. Cops casually walking by protesters on the ground and just pepper spraying them because you feel like it, it's not civil. But a lot of people have decided that it is because they've also decided that cops are inherently here to keep the peace.

Similarly, taking away human rights isn't civil. Or to put an even finer point on it, taking away civil rights isn't civil. But the people doing it talk very calmly and wear important looking robes, you see. And certain people, some of whom sip from liberal tears mugs or sell leftist tears tumblers, love to pretend like their side is civil and calm, while the other side is chaotic and violent, even if the things they are very calmly calling for are fucking horrible. Transgenderism must be eradicated

from public life entirely. The whole preposterous ideology at every level. Now, those people clapping might not be throwing a trash can through a CVS window. They might be wearing suits instead of ski masks, but what they are collectively cheering, the idea that a person's identity is some kind of ideology that needs to be eradicated, is not civil.

And so ultimately, it seems like civility is just a barrier used to drown out or dismiss people of color and other voices of protest, and not just by the GOP. You gotta stress, the Democrats are just as bad when it comes to hiding behind this false idea of civility. And the reason is they know it's true is they won't hush. When somebody won't hush and listen to you, that ain't democracy. They're afraid of the truth. Don't you be afraid of the truth. Don't you be afraid of the truth.

Yeah, hush. Another light Batman reference for those who celebrate. Now, that was the former US president and alleged rapist Bill Clinton trying to hand wave protesters criticizing his 1994 crime bill, which unfairly targeted black super predators, wait, children.

That bill probably ruined a lot of lives and helped fuel a mass incarceration problem as evidenced by Clinton himself admitting that, but counterpoint, hush. See, I would perhaps argue that the 1994 crime bill is actually less civil than some loud people at a speech, especially since our current President Biden not only helped make that bill,

but also doubled down on it in his current administration. And so ultimately, what this all comes down to, as in the calls for nonviolence and civility, is which side is currently deciding to act outraged. Because as we noted, a lot of this came from the right in response to the Black Lives Matter movement. Remember all those years of people grandstanding about disrespecting the flag and blue lives mattering?

And then do you remember what happened after that? You know, it was like right around the time when Trump lost the election. I wanna say like, I don't know, like December, like January, like early January. I'm seeing the number six. Well, we're gonna talk about that next. And not only that, but we might even talk about

a thing or two we could learn from those January 6th protesters. How about that for a cliffhanger? Ka-chunk! You gotta sit through those ads now, don't ya? In the words of the Joker, ha ha! Hey there, friends.

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We're gonna figure out this mouth problem. I promise you, I promise you. Hey, so we're back it seems. That's cool. Warmbo has been... You're really quiet out there. Anyway, before the break, we spoke of how a lot of people on the right

were balls deep in an appeal for civility and nonviolence that then went completely out the window the moment their weird, meaty president lost his election. It was one of those mask off moments you normally only see in movies and TV, where the villain just goes bananas and whips out a gun when they could have easily just denied the accusations. Shout out to Alan Alda in Murder at 1600.

Also, spoilers for Murder at 1600, a film I'm pretty sure I've referenced before and will reference again. Point is, the January 6th insurrection and the right-wing reaction to it was such a fantastic display of hypocrisy that it's weird they got away with it. Maybe it's not weird, but should be weird.

But one could argue that you could say the same thing about Democrats who ignored certain acts of destruction during other protests but were shocked by this event. That's certainly what the GOP would say, right? It's the back and forth we always play when it comes to these protests and riots. It's why there are examples of people calling for civility from both sides.

And so we need to talk about this from a disgusting nonpartisan standpoint, like some kind of fucking warm bow. But just to be clear, the people who participated in the January 6th insurrection were misled by lies and clearly had more than just destroying property in mind. They were armed with weapons, with some of them facing gun charges.

They chanted for and attempted the lynching of a fellow human being. Even if Mike Pence is a Lego man with bird shit colored wicker basket hair, you still don't just run up and kill a guy. Diorite ass hair. They were wrong is my point. It's not a huge injustice

that some of them are seeing jail time. Although I would argue that the politicians who incited it should maybe be seeing bigger consequences, but fun thought exercise. Imagine if they weren't wrong. It's a big let's say, but imagine with your big, throbbing brains that the 2020 presidential election was actually stolen.

It wasn't, it absolutely was not. So I need you to enter a world of make-believe here. And in that world, Joe Biden teamed up with Italy and the Vatican to use military satellites to rig the election, as well as teamed with Dominion voting systems to use a computer algorithm designed by Hugo Chavez to shift votes on top of widespread voter fraud, I guess as a redundancy to the communist slash Pope caper, I guess as a redundancy to the communist slash pope caper, to steal the 2020 election so that he and a non-US citizen can continue a deep state control of the nation,

featuring but not limited to faking the assassination of Osama bin Laden, murdering a Supreme Court justice, enabling a vast pedophile and baby-eating cabal, delaying the resurrection of JFK Jr., who would reinstate Trump, who in turn is a secret genius, single-handedly attempting to take down a vast

and evil conspiracy, only to be thwarted by his own VP. And all of that is done by this guy. Well, yeah, and shucks, if all those things actually happened, storming the Capitol wouldn't be all that outrageous of a response, would it? But of course, in this pretend world, the rioters were actually Antifa,

but also not Antifa and actually peaceful. We're gonna get inside with footage that shows you what was actually happening inside the Capitol. The footage does not show an insurrection or a riot in progress. Instead, it shows police escorting protesters through the building. I feel like I know that guy. Doesn't matter. Point is that, of course, all that conspiracy stuff didn't really happen, unless you count conservative media and President

Trump teaming up to push election lies that resulted in violence as a conspiracy, which, now that I say it out loud, really seems like one. But my point is that if someone thought all of those lies were true, that this huge conspiracy against democracy was really happening, then violence wouldn't seem like an unreasonable response. Similarly, if you truly thought that abortion clinics were routinely killing babies, you would feel compelled to take action.

They aren't, to be clear. Objectively and scientifically speaking, abortion clinics are not killing babies. That's why they were allowed to exist in the first place and should continue to exist. I know that's an entirely different conversation, but we have to point out that a chunk of the people doing unhinged and evil things to and outside of abortion clinics most likely believe that they are saving babies. And they believe that because they were tricked into thinking that. That doesn't excuse their behavior, but the point here is that ultimately, the justification of violence is really subjective

to an individual, which of course has nothing to do with facts or reality. Can't stress enough, we are not advocating for violence. We do not want violence. Violence, equal sign, bad. Put it up in big letters. Violence is bad. Violence is bad. Violence is bad.

Mother, no, holy shit. Put up that violence is bad. B-A-D for fuck's sake. Violence is bad. What is wrong with you? Do it right, no quotes. Violence is bad. Thank you.

Wow, this isn't an episode justifying violent protesting. In fact, from just a tactical standpoint, it's statistically better to avoid violence. According to data from a Harvard University project looking at 622 civil resistance campaigns from 1900 through 2019, 56% of all violent protests failed, whereas only 30% of non-violent protests failed. Adversely, nonviolent demonstrations achieve their entire goal 47% of the time, versus violent protests only doing that 23% of the time. In other words, you are more likely to get all or at least

some of what you want if you don't resort to violence. So it's not just morally better to not dragon punch your fellow human into getting what you want, it's also more effective according to research and history too. It makes a lot of logical sense. And there's actually a whole Ted talk from one of the authors of the study explaining it and how non-violent

protests are just generally more inclusive and accessible. You know, cause old people and kids aren't very good at duking it out with cops. So yeah, violence should be avoided for as long as possible, which isn't to say that it can be avoided completely. For example, founding America sure got violent, I hear. It of course depends. And that's ultimately the point I'm trying to make

with all of this, that protests and talking about them are above all else, extremely messy and dependent on with all of this, that protests and talking about them are above all else, extremely messy and dependent on a lot of variables, including what is being protested and the validity of the cause. And so to act like there's a rule book or a polite way to protest is bullshit. Protesting shouldn't be polite.

In fact, it needs to be disruptive and rude like Poochie. That's the whole point. Marching in the streets to obscure normal day-to-day traffic, picketing in front of a building to make people going in or out uncomfortable, and yes, sometimes even damaging property to put a damper on commerce is how to get attention and be considered seriously

when there is no other method left to move for change. And sometimes people will think it's not worth it. People will think the cause is bad or wrong. For example, any protest around anti-mask or anti-vaccine misinformation sure seems like a waste of everyone's time. It's frustrating to see a disruption over something that you think is objectively pointless or silly.

But by making up rules and finger wagging on the right and wrong ways to protest, the people in power don't have to address the why of the protest. Having this back and forth over civility really works for them, you know? They would rather have a proxy war over the tactics because it distracts and shields them

from addressing the actual change being brought up by the protest itself. So instead of making laws about the thing being protested, they get to make laws about this instead. Post-Missouri bill would allow drivers to hit protestors blocking roadways. It's igniting controversy over what would be considered a threat to that driver.

Fucking nightmare shit. That bill thankfully did not pass. But it's not the only law like it, or only example of a politician bravely standing up to support blatant murderers. In fact, along with this newfound lust for vehicular homicide, lawmakers have passed or tried to pass laws

designed to make it nearly illegal to have any kind of protest. Arizona tried, but failed, to make it legal for cops to arrest and seize the assets of anyone attending a demonstration that resulted in property destruction. But in Louisiana, they succeeded in making organizers of protests legally liable for anything

that happens during that protest. Tennessee, South Dakota, Texas, and Iowa have greatly increased punishments and fines for anyone blocking traffic. South Dakota has also gone after pipeline protests, passing a law that would limit demonstrations to less than 20 people on public lands. Los Angeles has made it illegal to protest within 300 feet of a targeted residence. In Oklahoma, you could face 10 years in prison or a $100,000 fine if you trespass and tamper with critical infrastructure, however the hell they define that. Additionally, any organization associated with the trespass could pay up to a million

dollars. There are, in fact fact three states that made efforts to enact harsher penalties for protesting fossil fuel companies. In Oregon, one lawmaker tried to force schools to expel students who were involved in a riot. Another in Missouri tried to make masks at protests illegal. Florida has literally created a new type of crime around protesting that they are calling mob intimidation that would come with no bail and harsher punishments. And in fucking Michigan, the sneakiest little state,

they actually tried to pass a bill fining $1,000 a day for the crime of illegal picketing, not rioting, not destruction, but holding a fucking sign. So much work put into tamping down protesting as opposed to listening to what the protesters say. This is the end result of the civility debate, a horrifying conclusion somehow justified through a fun house of twisted logic around pearl clutching

and bipartisan finger wagging. These ghouls mind fucked America so hard that they managed to convince people that it was good and right to plow over and shoot protesters rather than be inconvenienced by them. This is somehow the moral high ground because a group of people dared to disrupt everyday society. That's the actual violence. That's the lack of civility. That's the shit we

actually need to moralize. So perhaps instead of trying to make rules about how to protest, there should be rules about how to react to protests. You know, step one, was there another way to reach the people in power? If not, maybe we should fix that. Step two, is what they're protesting based on factual information? If not, maybe we should look at who is spreading that misinformation. Step three, is their response to the problem proportional?

If not, maybe it's okay to be critical of the movement, but not in a way that dismisses or belittles the movement. And so on. I don't know, just some ideas pounded out of my skull pillow. It seems better than making it legal to run them over. Oh, hi, what did I miss? Ah, what are you doing here?

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