Some More News - Some More News: What "Happened" To Joe Rogan?

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

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We'll do a Joe Rogan episode. I mean, I don't want to, but when do we ever get to do what I want? If it were up to me, every episode would be an in-depth analysis of sitting in a quiet, dark room. Unfortunately, I can't leave this chair, and I don't even know where the light switch is.

So, let's go! Here's some stupid news. Joseph Robinette Rogan. He hosts one of the most popular podcasts in the world, earning multiple nine-figure deals from Spotify. He's wildly influential, may have even won the election for Trump, question mark, as even apparently Trump himself has whispered to Rogan. And he hosts a who's who of some people you've heard of

and some people you probably haven't heard of for episodes that are often three and four hours long. We've mentioned him on the showdy before, but never devoted a full episode to him because, well, he's slippery. It's hard to pin him down, both figuratively and literally, like a greasy, swole eel that sells brain pills and doesn't even chug them down in a slurry.

Come on, Joe, chug the slurry. And for a while, he wasn't exclusively a right-wing figurehead, right until he became one. Even just three years ago, Joe Rogan said this about Trump. By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape or form. I've had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once. I've said no every time. I don't want to help him. I'm not interested in helping him.

Waa-waaa. Rogan not only had Trump on, but he had him on exactly when it would help him the most, along with his vice president and his benefactor slash co-president all in the same week. And that provokes the question, what happened? What happened to Joe Rogan? And in asking that question, perhaps we'll figure out what happened to America. So let's do that, I guess, if we have to, which we do.

The chains compel me. Joe Rogan. What happened? So here's a question just to start. Why is Joe Rogan popular? If you don't listen to him, you might only ingest him through headlines about or clips of some bad thing he said or some bad grifter he had on who lied to everyone. But it needs to be noted that, largely speaking, the Joe Rogan experience isn't a political show.

It's a talk show, I guess. Even now, as a clear Trump supporter, you might be surprised to realize how little Trump comes up on his show. Back in the thick of election season, he would have entire Meet Joe Black length episodes where Trump isn't mentioned. Rogan talked with Russell Crowe

for more than three hours on August 20th, and the subject of politics only came up very briefly, late in the episode when Russell Crowe says something about how he thinks people in Australia should try and look past their two-party system, and Rogan is like, yeah, man, groovy. And that's how it is with most of the guests, most of the time.

He largely presents as this guy who has some liberal opinions, some conservative opinions, and just hates the gosh darn polarization, man. The rest of the show is just about like MMA and fitness and psychedelics and archery. Relax the shoulder, draw, pull, pull, pull, release. And when it releases, I'm in control of the whole thing from top, and there's just all these anxiety driven thoughts

to just get it out, go, just do this, he's gonna get away, something's gonna happen, you're gonna miss! At least I think that's about archery. The point is that the appeal of Jogan isn't a mystery when you step back and look at what he's claiming to offer. That he's just this everyday, normal dude, just like all of us,

just asking questions with important people. Nevermind that he's extremely rich and an entertainer and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, we already know with Trump that some people seem to be super confused about what an elitist and anti-elitist is. But on paper, that's Joe Rogan's pitch. And it's part of why he's slippery. Just an everyday, normal dude with countless hours of conversations and a suspicious percentage

of them spent on demonizing trans people for some reason. It's always been known as being like a psychiatric condition. Like it's a mental health issue. And now it's being accepted as a gender identity issue, where it was always just like a weird kink that people had. And now you're, again, regardless whether or not this person's a sex offender, registered sex offender, repeated sex offender, you have to accept this. Otherwise you're a bigot.

It's just this rigid adherence to ideology is so cult-like. It's so fucking hands-made tale. It's so wild that people are just wholesale adopting this. Great point from a guy who's definitely seen the hands-made tale. I'm sorry, obviously he meant the handmaid's tale and not the hands-made tale, which is a documentary about the making of Wallace and Gromit.

But yeah, that really sounds like a right-wing position because it is. He's saying that the issue of gender identity is actually a weird kink, often by sex offenders. And if you say that, you're labeled a bigot. Okay, maybe he's not so moderate after all. Case closed, or wait, weird idea, let's keep watching. And this is not to deny that there's people that are trans.

I've met people that are trans. It exists in nature. Nature's weird, right? I think nature does put people, make humans, for whatever reason, that really feel like they should have been born a female or should have been born a male. But that's not all of what's happening. And in our desire to be compassionate and to have care for these people and to love these people and respect these people, we're opening the door to all this chaos.

Oh, okay. So to recap, gender identity is a weird kink by sex offenders. And if you say that, you're labeled a bigot. And also many of his friends are trans and it's actually a natural thing we should accept. What? What are you saying exactly, Joe?

It seems like Joe Rogan is a moderate or a centrist in the sense that he'll just voice every opinion at once. All sides, like the host equivalent of a tesseract. Joe doesn't adhere to time and space, man. And this is ultimately his power. Because doesn't adhere to time and space, man. And this is ultimately his power. Because while he seems to constantly change his views on a dime,

ultimately it's not really constructive to pick out clips of his show that ideologically contradict each other. And that's by design. But there's a lot of people out there that have to make a fucking living. And what's the best way to make a living? Well, here's one way. take a jackass like me,

go over their podcast and I say stupid shit. I get it. And if you mine that and you make money off of that, more power to you. Thanks, Joe, we're trying. But yeah, he's right. It's why we were unsure about even making a video about him.

There's simply no way to watch every single episode of this podcast, excuse me, experience, while maintaining a job, relationship, pigeon breeding hobby, regular stuff. You know that regular stuff. The total length of all Joe Rogan episodes, back to back to back, runs 6,722 hours as of the day we're shooting this,

or a little over nine months. You could either watch that show in its entirety or create a literal baby, both of which will have long-term implications for your body and brain chemistry. So we didn't, and wouldn't. We're also not going to fact check him too much. Unlike a lot of people we've covered,

people don't watch Joe Rogan because he's an expert or a facts guy, or at least they super should not do that. He's a talk show host. He's Mark Maron if he hosted more Nazis. We don't expect to agree with everything our talk show hosts believe. We're just there to see his interviews.

So we're not gonna fact check all the wrong stuff he's said about trans people. We've done episodes about why his anti-trans views are wrong, as in factually wrong, and you can watch those. But this is also another shield he has, because he's not just a host, is he? It's his experience after all.

And he sets the tone as the average dude who just has concerns. And this average dude is, I'd argue, very wrong more than the average dude. He also doesn't just talk about this stuff with experts. Like here he is going off about trans people in bathrooms with actor and comedian Joey Diaz. Now the people that wanna deny that that's a real thing,

you're doing a disservice for everyone. You're doing a disservice to all the innocent women Joey Diaz. to be a bunch of perverts with fucking beards who want to go where the little girls are shitting. People are out of their minds. There's a certain percentage of people that are out of their fucking minds. It doesn't mean that all trans people are bad. Doesn't mean that all trans people are out of their minds. Again, see how he presents it as this moderate take? I'm fine with trans people,

but we have to do something about all these crazy people trying to watch little girls shit. Hey Joe, does that actually happen though? In that clip, he shows a single video of someone being confronted outside a bathroom. This video. What size is that dude? You don't see my daughter running in a shoe rack, do you?

No, no, no, no. You need to go over there after the meeting. You need to go over there after the meeting. I only in Chicago. Fun fact about that video. It was originally posted by a Facebook page called The Jibrizy Show, original videos and comedy skits.

Hmm. Hey Joe, maybe that video is fake. I know it might be subtle, but there are actually clues in the video you can pick up on. Here, let's see if you can spot it yourself. You know what? You ought to be ashamed of yourself. We're going to another bathroom.

Wow, I can't even believe what just happened. Hey guys, that was all a complete skit. Joe. Oh, Joe. I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe weed isn't good for you, Joe? So yeah, these bathroom assaults don't actually happen. I mean, it happens to trans people, but not by trans people. Also, why do you need to be trans to assault someone in a bathroom?

We don't have armed guards outside the restrooms at Long John Silver's, do we? People go in the wrong one by accident all the time because they don't know the difference between a buoy and a gull and the world doesn't end. Again, we're not here to fact check Joe, but I wanted to point out that the just asking questions regular dude persona is a really easy smokescreen

when the questions you are asking aren't actually starting from a centrist or unbiased perspective, but rather from a lie. It's like saying, I enjoy a deli sandwich like the next guy, but why is there so much human flesh in them? This is also, by the way,

the entirety of the so-called moderate view of trans issues. I'm fine with trans people, but they shouldn't dominate our sports or drag shows are fine, but why are they allowed to molest our kids? Hey, good news, those things aren't happening. And ultimately, with Joe, it just seems like he doesn't actually know trans people or like them very much.

Yeah, that if you take a brand, Bud Light, which is like known for, you know, blue collar drinking people, that they like to fucking watch football and drink Bud Light. And then all of a sudden you have this mentally ill person who's just an attention whore. And you make a big deal out of putting this person 365 days of womanhood. You put that on a Bud Light can and they freak the fuck out.

It's really not complicated. He's talking there about Dylan Mulvaney, the trans influencer who was sent a single can of Bud Light with her image on it for a promotional TikTok. What are we gonna do about it? You remember that whole thing, right? And in that context, Dylan Mulvaney is just a trans person, right?

When Joe Rogan says, I'm fine with trans people existing, that's what Dylan was doing. And yet I guess she can't do that either. He calls her a mentally ill attention whore because I guess that's actually what he believes trans people are. And again, this is his shield,

because if you point it out how often he'll move the goalposts or contradict himself, his answer will be, well, hey man, I'm just a regular dumb guy talking. But that idea that he's somehow the regular guy is itself the lie. He's not the yardstick for discourse, but he gets away with this because of another shield he likes to use, especially when talking about trans issues.

— You're being told that you're a bigot for looking at very obvious— — Yeah. — We have always considered biological representations, right? It is profound and it's interesting that if you discuss this, you're a bigot. This person, their first response is to call it bigoted transphobia. It's so strange, like if you don't agree with me, you're Hitler. Hey man, I'm just a normal everyday schmo asking why all these trans people are sick perverts.

But oh, I guess when you ask questions, people call you Hitler. Joe really doesn't like being called a bigot, does he? I mean, who does? Helpful tip for that though, don't demonize an entire group of people because of isolated incidents that turn out to be sketches for the internet.

But yeah, I guess he's a regular guy in the sense that most people are emotional and opinionated and have trouble admitting when they are wrong about something and seek to find people that will validate them. That's the other obvious detail. If Joe Rogan is to be judged simply as a talk show host, well, he sure cherry picks the people he'll put on the show

as he invited a pro-trans activist, not just trans people, but people there to argue for trans rights onto his experience? Or has it just been a series of anti-trans propagandists? Has he ever brought up or even considered that by spreading and validating all of their fear-mongering and propaganda, it just encourages more violence against trans people that can even spread to the targeting of cis women if they, for example, happen to be tall. This selectiveness, of course, shines bright when it comes to Joe Rogan's views on COVID and vaccines and masks. He quickly became an anti-masker type during the pandemic, and over time began to exclusively host big quotes experts that could reinforce

that position. These guests had quite famously led to an outcry from artists against Spotify for hosting his experience. Rogan has basically dug up every quack he could find to support his own views on the pandemic. There was a cardiologist named Dr. Peter McCullough who claimed that COVID was apparently planned. I can tell you that if you want to find the evidence that Moderna was working on the vaccine before the virus ever emanated out of the lab, if you wanted to find the collusions and the operations

between the Gates Foundation and Gavi and Seppi and Pfizer and Moderna and the vaccine manufacturers and the Wuhan lab and the National Institutes of Health and Ralph Baric and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and how all this was organized. If you wanna see the Johns Hopkins planning seminar called the Spars pandemic in 2017

where they had a symposium, people showed up, they wrote up their symposium findings, they published this. It says it's gonna be a coronavirus. Yeah, that's wrong. It just is. He's talking about experts forewarning based on science that a pandemic could happen. Like, remember how we had intelligence that Bin Laden was going to attack the US before

it happened? Experts look at evidence and predict disaster all the time. Also, we've had pandemics before. But even if we hadn't, do you think the person who warned that the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats also cause it to sink? No, that horned up lookout tower guy caused it when he was watching Jack and Rose make out. Stop leering at those teens, look at the ocean, you jerk.

But again, we're not here to fact check. But rather, McCullough is just one float on the garbage parade of COVID misinformation on Joe's show. There was a virologist and biochemist named Dr. Robert Malone, who claimed that Biden covered up the effectiveness of ivermectin and also didn't really get the vaccine. He claimed that fewer people died of COVID in Gaza

than in Israel because they didn't get the vaccine as much there, on and on and on, all made up, none of which Joe pushes back against. Malone also claims that trusting the vaccine is actually a mass formation psychosis and compares it to Nazi Germany. This is in 2022, to be clear. There were millions of cases already,

and Rogan has a guy on who claims that believing that COVID is real and bad and that the vaccines were intended to help prevent it is just like what happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s. Also, by the way, mass formation psychosis isn't a thing. Like, that's literally a phrase this guy made up. He's not a psychologist or anything close to it. In fairness, he's probably talking about something similar to mass psychogenic illness

or what used to be called mass hysteria. But mass formation psychosis is not a term that anyone who is serious uses. Here are the Google Trends going back to 2004. It basically doesn't exist before Malone says it on Rogan's show, which is the most important detail. When someone goes on Joe Rogan, their ideas get boosted. And how does Rogan react after this has been pointed out to him? I mean, that's again, your show, Blue Open Mass Formation Psychosis.

Well, that's not a thing. Don't you know that's not even a thing? Well, yeah, I saw that. It's not even a real thing. I mean, there's books like back to the 1800s about it, but it's not a thing. But it's not real. It's not real. It's fake. Well, I've talked, there's a certain psychologist who went to a college and he told me it's not a thing.. It's fake. Well, I've talked, there's a certain psychologist who went to a college and he told me a side of thing. So there's that. Yeah.

Nah, Joe, what was that face? I did not know a person could make that face. That sort of changes a lot for me. But my point here is that while Joe himself doesn't claim to be an expert and is ultimately just a talk show host, he does choose who to have on and those choices matter. And in this case, he took people who were considered outcasts in their fields for valid reasons and gave them a really big megaphone for them to say dangerous misinformation. And then he was

called out on it, and the money got threatened, and so he had to apologize. And how did he do that? I'm not trying to promote misinformation. I'm not trying to be controversial I've never tried to do anything with this podcast other than just talk to people and have interesting conversations I do not know if they're right. I don't know because I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist I'm just a person who sits down and talks to people and has conversations with them. Do I get things wrong? Absolutely, I get things wrong, but I try to correct them. I'm just a regular guy.

Remember, I'm not trying to do anything on my show. What even is a show? Where am I? Tee hee hee hee. Can't touch me. To be fair and balanced and silky, Joe Rogan isn't the only person who uses this shield. Jon Stewart notably went on crossfire and, when challenged about his responsibility,

pointed out that his show comes on after puppets making prank phone calls. He also obliterated Tucker Carlson, so most people focused on that. I mean, this show you are watching has puppets in it. I get that there is a very blurred line at play. But he can't act oblivious to that. Comedians and entertainers are now pundits. Some of them have roles in the government. Some of them are presidents.

Some of them start as presidents and become producers of just very odd films. To quote a complete asshole, politics is downstream from culture, right? I'd argue that it's actually just all in the same gross pool now. So the argument of I'm just a guy having a conversation is moot and frankly, hogwash.

Especially since most of these exchanges he has don't really feel conversational. This is just vibes, but the clips we've shown so far feel more like they are driven by an agenda more than they are people shooting the shit. I know this because I'm about to show you a clip of Joe Rogan actually shooting the shit. It's a popular clip,

probably because it shows an actual human exchange, and I'd argue the actual reason Joe Rogan went so hard into COVID misinformation. It's the Bill Burr one. Here it is. You want people to walk down the street with a mask on? Let's not start this, Joe. Do you though?

Let's not start this. Okay. Let's start it. I don't want to start this bullshit. I'm not going to sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you, smoking a cigar, acting like we know what's up, better than the CDC.

All I do is I listen I watch the news once every two weeks. I'm like mask or no mess still mask. All right mask. That's all I give a fuck about I don't care I just love how wearing a mask became like this fucking like soft thing that you were doing like being courteous being courteous Why is it for bitches? I know it's so stupid First of all, oh god, you're so tough with your fucking open nose and throat. Gee Joe, and your five o'clock shadow. You had a fucking panic attack.

In the sauna. And then you felt bad about yourself, and then you attack people with masks. That's how it works. And that's how the hatred starts. I think Rogan is way more receptive to Burr, because Bill Burr is actually the dude Joe Rogan thinks he is.

And while that clip is very fun, the thing I want to highlight is that when you boil it all down, Joe Rogan just thinks masks are, quote, for bitches. That's really all it is. He's a guy who doesn't like being told what to do, or I guess doesn't like being what he perceives

to be emasculated. And I think he's being honest when he says that his show wasn't originally supposed to be like anything. I think he wanted to get high he says that his show wasn't originally supposed to be like, anything. I think he wanted to get high and talk to his friends and get paid. Sounds great.

Maybe we should try that and make millions. But then, over time, Joe fell into these rabbit holes, specifically around COVID, and his ego, and perhaps relevantly, wallet, started to inflate. People started telling him that he has a responsibility in who he invites on his show because of his huge audience, and instead of feeling the weight of that, he felt the power of it instead, especially when his show was only getting more and more popular, even with this controversy. Or rather, because of it?

I mean, he dominated the headlines. Do you think that made his show less or more popular? So after the break, it's time to look at Joe's transition from regular dude asking questions to his apparent right-wing shift, if you want to call it that. Because maybe it's not that. Maybe it's something else. Ooh, intrigue kind of, mystery sort of, ad break definitely. The news. It's like tears in rain. The news is the tears, and then the rain is the more news that keeps happening. Sorry, why did I say it like that?

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Invest in more NFTs. Did that work? We're millionaires? Ooh la la! Okay, hi, hey. Joe Rogan. Regular guy, just having conversations, that happened to be aligned with boosting the far right resulting in the rise of fascism in America. Allegedly.

This is where we left off, at Joe Rogan's transition to the right. I'm sure Joe would take issue with that description. What with the word transition in there. I'm sure some fans would also argue that Joe isn't any more right leaning than he was, say, five years ago. I don't know, I'm not plugged into the Rogan fandom, but I imagine a lot of people use that old argument that actually it's the left that moved more left

while the center stayed the same, et cetera. Part of his regular guy appeal is the idea that Joe Rogan is just taking in the news as it comes and making moral judgments and telling it like it is and so on. So going back to 2019, for example, here's how he reacted to the idea of putting migrants in cages.

And when you see these fenced in people and where is it? Is it El Paso? There was some thing that they had on the news where they showed all these these fenced in people and where's it is it El Paso? There was something that they had on the news They showed all these people fenced in and what looks like a dog kennel and these these People that snuck across the border and they captured them so they just put them in this fucking Outdoor fenced in cage like dude. We don't even do that to violent murderers. Yeah It says they treated us like we were animals holding pen for migrant families and El Paso

shut down. Shut down overnight, I guess. Okay, because people found out about it. It's crazy. Look at that. That's a dog kennel. I mean, these people are just sitting around waiting for what? If you were in the presence of a woman who came over here from Guatemala and she's poor

and she's starving and they're taking her baby away and she's wailing and screaming from a primal a Primal place in her her DNA that the one thing she loves more than anything is being taken away a baby Yeah, if you if that doesn't freak you the fuck out you're not a part of the team man. You're missing it You're missing it. What's what are we here for? We're here for a hundred years of whatever That's what we're here for if you want to spend a hundred years of whatever. That's what we're here for. If you want to spend a hundred years saying, hey, you should have the fucking broke the law. I don't want you on the team.

You're an asshole. Hey, would you look at that? So over five years ago, Joe Rogan had baseline human empathy. He recognized that what Trump was doing was extremely fucked up because it was. About a year later, he began to endorse Bernie during the 2020 primaries. I think I'll probably vote for Bernie.

Him as a human being, when I was hanging out with him, and I believe in him, I like him, I like him a lot. He's been insanely consistent his entire life. He's basically been saying the same thing, been for the same thing his whole life. Bernie would have won. Can I get a quick Bernie would have won in the chat? This isn't streaming.

In the comments, mail it to us, whatever. Bernie Sanders went on Rogan's show in 2019 and promoted the clip we just showed of Rogan semi-endorsing him. This was an endorsement that Bernie would be pressured to disavow because of Rogan's history of transphobic statements and racist jokes. Regardless of how you feel about that, Rogan said he admired Bernie, not necessarily because

of his politics, but because he's a likable guy who's been consistent his entire life. Remember that. Remember why Rogan seems to like and vote for specific candidates. A few years later, in 2022 2022 is when we got the clip at the start about him not having Trump on his show. This clip. By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape or form.

I've had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once. I've said no every time. I don't wanna help him. I'm not interested in helping him. Okay, so it seems like Rogan still has a basic grasp of reality and morality, leans toward the left, and is also pretty self-aware.

And I think you had people like Kanye on, for example, and you had a great conversation with him. I think you, I think… Yeah, but Kanye is an artist. But Kanye doing well or not doing well doesn't change the course of our country. Yeah, but you know, do you really bear the responsibility of the course of our country based on a conversation? I think you can revitalize and rehabilitate someone's image in a way that is pretty shocking.

I just wanna take a moment with that since it's probably the most astute thing I've ever heard him say. It's also what we said before the break. This interview is in 2022, right around the time he took heat for all the COVID stuff. This is the point where Joe Rogan has seemingly recognized that he holds a lot of power

and having Trump on would be an endorsement of him. It would change the course of politics. And he's saying it right there as a reason that he wouldn't have Trump on the Joe Rogan effervescence because he doesn't want to help him. He likens him to Putin. This means that something shifted between 2022 and 2024 that made Rogan go from an I don't trust either side guy

to an I trust the crime guy… guy. And it is a much faster shift than you might expect. Here is Rogan talking about Trump in 2023. That's why it was fascinating to see a guy like Trump getting the power, because he was such an outsider. And the morons had a king. Yeah. There's a lot of morons. Tons. And it doesn't matter what he's saying. For them, he represents them.

And he represents the anti of them. He's not perfect, but at least he's real. Trump is basically the same age as Biden. Yeah, he's old. He's old, yeah. He speaks much clearer. He might be crazy, he might be a sociopath. King of the morons.

Too old, maybe a sociopath. To be clear, he qualifies all of this, often adding a so does Biden. And this sort of embodies a common issue with moderates or centrists, especially the Gen X group in that cynical South Park douche versus turd sandwich era. This idea that they are all bad is true,

but they are equally bad. And in fact, the difference is getting more and more vast as one side tumbles joyously into Hitler shit. Because something Rogan doesn't equivocate on is that little phrase he slipped in ever so quickly to the bar stool guy. And the morons had a king. We will come back to this,

but Joe, if you take anything away from this, like and subscribe and give me a million dollars. But if you take a second thing away from this, it's that not long ago at all, you correctly knew. Because no matter how annoying you find woke libs or whatever, you knew that Donald Trump was a king for morons, an authoritarian for stupid people who want stupid shit.

And of course, their enablers. You know the ones, Joe. Anyway, this difference doesn't make the other side good, but it kind of doesn't matter at a certain point. And this begins that transition for Joe, who kind of symbolizes that drift the center is making. Jay Rogan, determined to always be a both sides guy, drifted with his perceived center during the Biden years.

Because the other thing you might notice here is that Joe Rogan is a contrarian. He naturally likes the narrative of the underdog. He doesn't like being told what to do, and he doesn't like the establishment. So like that clip of him going off about how horrible the Trump pages were, that was during Trump's presidency.

The anti-mask COVID misinformation stuff, right after the CDC and media were promoting the need to wear masks. The trans stuff, right after Biden pushes for the rights of trans athletes. He's just drifting toward whichever candidate or politician seems the most real and non-establishment to him.

Revolting from anyone who might tell him that he needs to do something or has a responsibility or anyone who criticizes his opinions for being bigoted, which was over time, mainly people on the left, which tapped right into his old school comedian, you can't say things anymore, ah, mentality. And if something is polished or seems more corporate, he hates it.

And I get that. But just watch what happens when Trump goes against Harris at the debate. Whoever's helping her, whoever's coaching her, whoever's the puppet master running the strings. Yeah. You did a fucking amazing job. And even when it came to answering tough questions,

instead of answering, she would just say things that she believes. And they sounded real good. And that's the sound bite. That's called being a savvy politician. It's also called being someone who's working with a team versus someone who's like, they said Trump, that deal was the best deal. They've never seen a deal like this before.

They said, how did you put that deal together? Ah, you see, she's coached. She has a team behind her, not like Trump, former president, who is, how do you put it again? And it doesn't matter what he's saying. Like for them, he represents them. And he represents the anti of them. Like he's not perfect, but at least he's real.

Yeah, he's real. Joe, you did the thing you said the morons were doing about Trump. You fell right into it. And that's because at the end of the day, you like the narrative of Trump being this outsider or underdog, even though it's not true. Like, of course he has a team, Joe.

He's also being coached. But that narrative became entombed in Rogan's mind the moment someone tried to shoot Trump, which is the reason Rogan gave for why he finally had him on his show. Not because he thought his policies had changed, not because Rogan changed his opinions, because someone tried to shoot him and it looked badass.

Except as Rogan puts it, it wasn't someone, but they who tried to shoot him. The implication I think is that the deep state tried to kill him. Therefore we should want him in there to get revenge on his enemies and dismantle the deep state and for sure not install his own. He promises, like obviously the guy who talks about

going after his enemies isn't going to dismantle the organizations that went after him for his crimes and then use those organizations rebuilt for him and only him to go after whoever's left on his enemies list. There's no way he would do that. That's something the king of morons would do. But yeah, Joe seems to think that the deep state

tried to kill Trump, but doesn't want to know about it when he's talking to Trump. Like, do you not wanna talk about it at all? Because from what we do know of the shooter, he was like some Republican kid who got kicked out of a gun club for being weird and a bad shot.

Seems like if the deep state really wanted him dead, they'd maybe try a second time and much harder. Like, was the big plan to miss? Whatever, my point is, it's just a little weird that he told Trump they shot you, but didn't elaborate at all. Ask about it. Much like how another thing Rogan loves to talk about

and theorize about and imply things about is the infamous pedophile and sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein. I don't need to tell you about the fervor behind wanting to know who his clients are and what those relationships resulted in and why nobody is being brought to justice. So you may think now actually is the perfect time

to talk about that because one of his best friends is sitting right in front of you. That infamous pedophile and sex trafficker you talk about on your show, his best friend of 10 years is sitting right in front of you. You know that thing where you think that the deep state or the Democrats or like Rosie O'Donnell or wherever is trying to kill the president?

And like, I don't know if you think the Secret Service was in on it or whatever it is. Well, guess what? The guy you got shot at and who might be the president is sitting a couple of feet in front of you. Who does he think did it? What does he think happened? What do they know about who tried to kill him

and almost did? Is he going to investigate it more if he gets elected? But also what's up with you being best friends with Epstein all that time or whatever? I guess it's just wild shit. You said a lot of wild shit. Maybe a wild shit and then CNN in their, all their brilliance by highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular. And they boost you in the polls

because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit, pre-prepared politician lingo. You know, like a moron would say. See, it's not about policy, it's just the optics. Trump looks like an underdog, despite being a billionaire former president. People are tired of the bullshit, so they turn to a famous bullshitter.

I guess Trump gives Joe permission to say and think the stuff he wants to say and think. Not to mention that his audience likes the pro-Trump stuff or at least the Trump leaning stuff. And Rogan likes money. And at this point, he now gives Trump this grace that he definitely doesn't give to anyone on the left. Or I should mention to Republicans in general.

Because even while he's falling for Trump, he's maintaining that unaffected Gen X both parties are bad attitude. Here he is in June of last year, a bit before Trump was shot at. Republicans won't be the solution either, kids. The problem is people in a position of power. The Republicans seem like they are your solution But it's just because the people in power right now the Democrats whenever the Democrats are out and the Republicans are in everybody Is dying for a Democrat? I remember when Bush was president after the second term

It was like good Lord Can we get a fucking reasonable Democrat in here before this country goes Christian nationalist and fucking, and goes crazy and starts every war? Yeah. And then Obama comes in like, oh, things are gonna be great. But it kind of seems like kind of the same. Both sides are bad.

But Trump, he's an outsider. You know that former president is not like other politicians. It's actually quite stupid and childlike when you think about it. Authorities bullshit so he doesn't like whoever is in charge. He likes people who seem real, even if they're famously a con man. And he has absolutely no interest in what they believe. But he doesn't like liars.

Apparently, the reason he jumped into the 2024 presidential race in addition to Trump getting shot is that Tim Walz is a liar. That's what did it for him. He had to because Tim Walz achieved the rank of command sergeant major, but retired as a command sergeant and once claimed to be a retired command sergeant major.

Well, you know, in that case, maybe it's time we look towards the king of morons for guidance. Of course, nevermind that Trump is demonstrably famously a compulsive liar who's told literally tens of thousands of lies, but also when he was on Rogan, he lied so many times. Fucking lied to your face, Joe, right to it.

We see this asymmetry basically anytime Joe gets fact checked. Oh yeah, we haven't even talked about Jamie yet. Rogan has this producer named Jamie Vernon, who's also his fact-checker, who pulls up graphs and stuff when Joe asks for it, despite Joe being the most incurious person possible about actual reality. So for example, if Rogan thought myocarditis

was more common after the COVID vaccine than a COVID infection itself, a quick search of the relevant research could find that to be incorrect. Just for example. For young boys in particular, there's an adverse risk associated with the vaccine. It's like a two to four-fold increase in the instances of myocarditis versus hospitalization. You know that there's an increased risk of myocarditis among that age cohort from getting COVID as well, which exceeds the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.

I don't think that's true. I don't think it's true. No, no, no, I don't think it's true that there's an increased risk of myocarditis from people catching COVID that are young versus increased risk of myocarditis from the vaccine. No, there is. There's both. Well, let's look that up because I don't think that's true.

Myocarditis is more common after COVID-19 infection than vaccination. But is this with children? Yeah, we're talking about young people. Men and boys aged under 30, after this is what it says here. With children is the issue. Well, no, we were talking about 15 year olds. Well, we're talking about young children. It's a child. 12 to 17. 12 to 17, more likely to develop myocarditis with three months of catching COVID at a rate of 450 cases per million infection. This compares

to 67 cases of myocarditis per million at the same time, following our second dose of Pfizer. Yeah, so you're about eight times likelier to get myocarditis from getting COVID than from getting the vaccine. That's interesting. Now that being said. That is not what I've read before, but also it's like, even when we're reading these things,

what are we getting this from? I don't think we get a great idea. I don't trust American epidemiological data very much. Beautiful. It's Jamie's job to gently nudge Joe sometimes when he said something egregiously false and it happens all the time. Did you hear what he said yesterday or a couple of days ago?

Mm-mm. He was talking about the Revolutionary War. He's like, one of the reasons why we lost the Revolutionary War, one of the problems with the Revolutionary War was they didn't have enough airports. Yeah. Have you seen that? I saw that. Have you seen that? Like what the? One of the problems with the Revolutionary War was they didn't have enough airports. Have you seen that?

The same stable genius who said the biggest problem we had in the Revolutionary War is we didn't have enough airports. Whoa. Yeah, that's it. Whoa. Just for the record. Is that fake? It's not fake, but he was referencing Trump saying that. Here's what Trump saying in 2019. Donald Trump said something about that.

Our army manned the airport. It ran the ramparts. It took over the airports. It did everything it had to do. Oh, okay. Yeah. So he fucked up. Yeah, he did.

Whoopsy daisy. Looks like that thing you based your entire argument on turned out to be false. In fairness to Rogan there, Biden is and has been a senile old fool. But you can't believe that that airport flub makes someone a senile old fool and only give the benefit of the doubt to Trump.

I mean, you can, but it makes you look full of shit, Joe. Like for example, if Joe is talking about all the companies that give to each political party, and he saw some chart online that showed all the major corporations giving to Democrats, and he uses that to say Democrats specifically and only are corrupt and nefarious money grabbers

working for corporations, Jamie might jump in and say, well actually, no, it's Republicans. What do you got, Jamie? This shows the top donors to OpenSecrets.org, seven of the, or six of the top seven are Republicans. Oh, interesting. Individual donors, individual companies.

Oh, individual donors. What I was talking about was like they showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating. They showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating. So this is like individual donors. Joe continues to complain about all the nefarious money specifically Democrats get while Jamie continues looking around for anything to prove Joe right.

Unfortunately, This is the number one, this is corporations. So they donate more than Google organizations federal contributions So 82 million is the top Top one and that's empower parents PC and these are right wing. Is that why it's red? I'd assume so So it seems like the top four why what it was, what is that Google chart that I was saying? Great question, Joe.

My guess is that the chart he saw was A, fake, or B, a chart showing the number of individual donations from employees. For example, this chart we found showing worker donations. You know, the workers, the people that Joe purports to care about. Corporations and the mega rich aren't the employees that we're talking about.

Even the employees at Elon Musk's Tesla contributed more to Harris than Trump. Does any of this information that actually Republicans are overwhelmingly financially supported by corporations and PAC money, and actually individuals and workers donate more to Democrats, make Rogan reconsider his position at all. Does he now look at the Republican party any differently?

You already know the disappointing answer. He doesn't for a second think about this, but instead mumbles about how maybe opensecrets.org isn't trustworthy and he moves on. Yeah, OpenSecrets might be like, eh. Embarrassing stuff. But I get it. Trump is charismatic and authentic, you know?

Real guy talking about real stuff. Maybe just the allure of literally any outsider vibe is too much for Joe to resist. So he can be really into Bernie Sanders and also this guy. That's just what they do. That's politics. They do it on the left.

They do it on the right. They gaslight you. They manipulate you. They promote narratives. And the only one who's not doing that is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I mean, considering his background in anti-vax stuff, RFK is probably the guy who shares

the most opinions with Rogan maybe. But again, you see how he paints this picture. Other politicians on the right and the left just want to gaslight and manipulate and promote narratives, but not Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He doesn't gaslight or manipulate. He's a straight shooter who's only been dismissed by the media and the establishment

because he wants to expose the truth. Yeah, he's the only one that makes sense to me. He's the only one that he doesn't attack people. He attacks actions and ideas, but he's much more reasonable and intelligent. I thought he was this nut, this like conspiracy theorist nut, until I read his book. I read the real Anthony Fauci and I'm like, what is... How much of this is real? And when he talks about all that stuff in his book, you're just like, what the fuck, man? If this wasn't true, he would be sued. So it seems to be true.

Yeah. So his reasoning for supporting RFK is that he doesn't attack people, as evidenced by his book that's devoted to attacking Anthony Fauci. I mean, again, it's not really useful to point out Rogan's constant contradictions or fact check him, because ultimately Rogan just likes that RFK says the stuff he already thinks and is trying to justify that after the fact. But as an aside, there are plenty of reasons why someone might not sue over a book

filled with lies about them. And that book was filled with lies. It's a very silly and childlike reason to think something is true. It's also disingenuous because Joe also doesn't sue people who say lies about him. Well, well, well. If it isn't old horse worm roguing.

I'm glad you're well, man. Bro, do I have to sue CNN? I don't know, do you? They're making shit up. They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer.. Bro, do I have to sue CNN? I don't know. I don't know, do you? They're making shit up. They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer. I literally got it from a doctor. Why didn't you sue them, Joe? You think they lied about you after all.

Hey Joe, your friend Donald Trump is a violent rapist. Tell him to sue me about it. Anyway, Rogan supported RFK Jr. before he dropped out of the race, and as far as I know, went away forever. So let's take another break, and then when we return, we're gonna step back and look at what all of this means. Not just for Rogan, but for like, I don't know,

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Yes, and this ad is over. We are back. The army of Joe Rogan's has left the big pool full of ice water and entered the next big pool of ice water. Meanwhile, we have been talking about Joe Rogan's transition from calling Donald Trump the King of Morons all the way to endorsing him to be King Moron. A lot of that is his obsession with real people over the establishment, man. But there's more.

I think it comes down to a handful of reasons, and they're all pretty simple reasons. To sum up the timeline here, there was a point when Joe Rogan cared more about what the left thought of him. Back in 2021, he had no problem with Spotify scrubbing dozens of older episodes of his podcast from their platform, featuring guests like Alex Jones,

Gavin McInnes, Stefan Molyneux, and Milo Yiannopoulos. You know, a collection of disgraced weirdos. He also apologized for using the N-word in past episodes and bits. Can you imagine him apologizing for literally anything now? He was still trying to be liked by everyone, like a talk show host would. He had been part of Hollywood for decades after all.

Then Joe Rogan picked up the notion that trans people were dangerous and mentally ill and COVID was overblown. And a huge chunk of people who aren't in his audience became critical of him and called him a bigot, which we already established really gets under his skin. He doesn't like being told what he can and can't do or think on top of the fact that

his show was being regarded as influential, which coincided with him making hundreds of millions of dollars. This was also when he learned that if his views on COVID in 2022 didn't kill his show, nothing would. After that, he clearly gave up on getting his flowers from anyone left of center. He's done with talking to people like Bernie Sanders when the people who like Bernie Sanders will in fact be mad at Bernie for talking to him.

He is giving his audience what they want. He's the Tim Heidecker comedian character playing to his crowd. I'm not entirely unsympathetic to Rogan here. Our episodes about Jordan Peterson or Elon Musk tend to perform better than episodes where we talk about the budget deficit or something.

That's just kind of how this works. Also, as I said, he got rich and as a result begins to admire and mingle with a wealthier group of people. Perhaps it's notable that when he had COVID, he threw the kitchen sink at it, something a wealthy person can easily do. This new group of peers explains why he's suddenly obsessed with the world's cringiest tech ghouls. This

also helps his numbers, because his audience of mostly men consider themselves more entrepreneurial than the general public and are frequently insecure about their own professional prospects. And so Joe fawns over these dudes during their podcast appearances and then he praises them to other people who come on his show. Elon's gonna steal everybody's money. He has 400 billion dollars. I'm telling you he's not gonna steal your money. I'm telling you that's not what he's doing. What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with. Okay? And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three-letter agencies, and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive,

and he helps Donald Trump get in office, and he goes, I wanna find out what kind of corruption is really around. Wow, no, not a genius, Joe. Also, he also lies to your face, Joe. And you see how he's framing Elon, the world's richest man, as taking on this larger and corrupt system.

He really likes the underdog narrative, despite himself being a famous comedian for decades and an extremely rich man. This leads us to what I call the Seinfeld effect, where a rich comedian acts like they are actually being attacked by the larger mob for daring to say garbage jokes about minorities. Except in Seinfeld's case,

he actually revisited those comments and was like, yeah, what a silly thing to complain about. Obviously comedy evolves and good sharp comedians will be able to keep up. But with Rogan, he's been railing for years about being called a bigot and lamenting that there aren't real comics anymore and that you can no longer say anything.

He wants to ask questions and talk about macho stuff without having to hear about marginalized communities all the time. He's been this guy for years, and then the Democrats ran a woke bi-racial woman from San Francisco, who did we think he was going to endorse? He is, as we established, an emotional and biased dude

who is looking for ways to justify his feelings. But ultimately, Robyn is just another example of the massive backlash we've been living in against Me Too and Black Lives Matter and checking your privilege. He hates that shit, but maybe felt like he couldn't say it for a while. Trump is the guy who gives him permission to say it, the same way he gave fucking Zuckerberg permission to say that companies need more masculine energy, as if that means anything other than women are less good. The same way some top banker is now happy he can say the R word again.

And in playing to his anti-authority persona, he's able to connect these two things by blaming the establishment for the wokeness he hates. Like a big part of the whole left-wing narrative that has like overlaid our country over the last whatever eight years, 10 years is all propaganda funded by our own government. This is why Trump won the election. People don't really believe in these things. The amount of people that think that transgender biological males should be competing against your daughter in sports is so fucking small. But yet our own government was propping it up. And why are they propping it up? Because it's a fucking beach ball at a concert. You keep it tossing up in the air and everybody's distracted." Boy, if you heard that same rant in Tim Poole's voice, would you be surprised? For one, Trump

won largely because of inflation, not trans stuff, so that's just a feeling Tim Joe probably read on ex-formerly Twitter. But generally, you can really see his full turn at this point. He's a contrarian Gen-Xer who felt attacked by the left and their propaganda apparently started eight years ago. And so he chugged the lie that Trump was somehow anti-establishment because that protected his own narrative as an outsider. But there's a contradiction here, because as much as Rogan can claim he's not a conservative or a Republican and the left left him and he's anti-establishment or whatever,

he by his own admission got Trump and the conservative Republican party elected. He falls for miss and disinformation in one specific direction. He criticizes in one direction. His guests increasingly are one direction, not the band, they're in one direction. We see this contradiction in that clip.

The politicians distract you with bullshit while not particularly profound is pretty true. But Joe, do you think not Trump though? To heighten this farce even more, here's the anti-establishment Joe Rogan talking to the Republican vice president of the United States. It raises one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff.

But I would never do that to you, Joe. I'm genuine. I did a swear. A proof of my swear, Joe. You didn't thank me for my swear. Again, just in that rant from Rogan about how the fat cats just wanna distract you with issues, the contradiction is ever present. As long as you can keep a few things going, here's the things you're gonna keep going. Abortion, right? Overturning Roe v. Wade is so great for business

because now it's like a battle, the battlegrounds and women's rights and their lives are at stake. Okay, that's one. Gay marriage, that's a huge one. Now they're going to take away gay marriage. Oh my God, bounce that fucking beach ball. That's a gigantic one.

War is a giant one. All these different things are just fucking beach balls and they toss them around every now and again, and in the meanwhile they're just siphoning billions of dollars. Yes, there's definitely valid criticism of Democrats to be made about their lack of action on defending the right to an abortion. But they didn't overturn Roe v. Wade. So are you saying that you don't care about that beach ball of an issue or that it's good that it was overturned?

It's also weird to bring up the fake threat of overturning gay marriage immediately after mentioning the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade. But also, Joe, you had an entire intellectual dark web with influential people who oppose gay marriage. You had one of their employees on your show and he told you to your face, they want to overturn it.

There are measures in at least nine states calling for the Supreme Court to overturn it. Yeah, war's a beach ball, Joe. What's that again about a resort in Gaza or taking Greenland and threatening to absorb Canada and accidentally texting your bomb plans to a journalist, you absolute rube of a jester of the King of Morons. Yeah, the establishment's nuts, he says, while being a hundred-millionaire media giant

who got the political party of literal billionaires elected. I hate beach balls and Dylan Mulvaney's can of Bud Light with her face on it. The schools are transing your kids into doing bird shits in their cubbies. Oh, but get those beach balls out of the way. My point is, to I assume Joe's chagrin, he can't be an impartial contrarian underdog anymore.

Whoops. He, by his own admission intentionally, and by the president's words whispered to him, won Trump the election. He is having presidents and billionaires on to lie to him and the public while he nods along. He is establishment media now. He is the authority,

just like how his entire generation is now the authority, right? I keep mentioning Gen X because Joe Rogan kind of represents the right-wing turn of that entire age group. It's the same journey as someone like Johnny Rotten, Sex Pistol singer and Trump supporter. It's this unaffected, everything's bullshit,

cynical generation that like to say and do things ironically. And don't get me wrong, I love a lot of this generation and ironically, irony. But if you go back and watch comedy from the peak of Gen X, you're gonna get a lot of words being said that perhaps younger generations would not like. Ever watched Strangers with Candy? Very funny show that is no longer defendable,

except for a lot of really funny jokes and performances and got so good. So, okay. Joe Rogan was right in the thick of that comedy generation, but not like an iconic one, I would argue. Big fan of news radio, but not like because of Joe Rogan. And his fame isn't from his news radio days. Like here he is on Conan's show in 1998. How are you?

Thanks for coming on. Hey, what's up? Oof. Typically, if members of the audience are really excited about a guest, they'll cheer for a little bit longer after the applause sign turns off. Did you hear how immediate the silence was?

Like maybe he shouldn't have immediately mocked those women for screaming for him with a look on his face like he fucking hates them. I guess it's their fault for screaming so femininely. Jesus, God. Also that shirt is, well, I don't know how to describe that shirt. We have, it doesn't describe the shirt,

but you already see that shitty little attitude as he like nastily mocks the audience for cheering at him. And as he embraced that shitty little guy inside, he got more popular in the era of Trump. And I bet that feels very good for him to finally embrace this part of him while still getting to pretend like he's anti-establishment, despite, again, being an establishment shill for oligarchs

and media-owning billionaires and the political party in charge of every single aspect of our government. And it kind of makes me wonder what is going to happen as his popularity begins to decline. Because it is declining, at least for the moment. And while the odds are slim, I wonder if that contrarian inside of him is going to swing back and go after Trump again,

if and when Trump's numbers go down. Probably not, but he's already at least playfully pushing back on some of the stuff Trump is saying. This is so ridiculous. I can't believe that there's like anti-American But he's already, at least playfully, pushing back on some of the stuff Trump is saying. This is so ridiculous. I can't believe that there's like anti-American and anti-Canadian sentiment going on. It's a dumb as f**king feud. Is there anti-

Why are we subsidizing Canada? Welcome, they don't have their own military. Well, they don't, so let's just like deal with it as it is. I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's a good, as someone who's from Ann Arbor, Michigan, you know- But I don't really think they should be our 51st state. There, I said it.

That you said it? He's on record. It would be fun if it happened. It would be fun. I think Greenland's more accessible. Ah, yeah. It'll be fun if we had a war with Canada. Sure.

What with that military that Joe thinks they don't have, which they do. Also that, why are we subsidizing Canada voice was a really bad Trump impression because that's who's saying that. Yeah, there's a lot of idiots. Yeah, there's one idiot, the king of them. But it's just for laughs right now.

He has to be cheeky about this. Maybe because he wants to see where the wind blows. Maybe because he's not hearing any of the horror stories about innocent people being rounded up. Maybe because he doesn't care about it. But even if he knew about it and cared about it, he's probably not going to mention it because he can't. He doesn't just support Trump, he helped him. He won him the election.

But I'm very curious what Joe is going to say about the Trump administration deporting and barring people for the crime of saying stuff Trump doesn't like. But I'm very curious what Joe is going to say about the Trump administration deporting and barring people for the crime of saying stuff Trump doesn't like. Like the band UK Subs, an older punk band that's better than Sex Pistols, was just allegedly turned away from entering the US because they posted mean stuff about our president.

Is Joe Rogan, the Gen X contrarian who doesn't like the word police, going to side with the president over the punk band. I mean, here he is just last year criticizing England for what he perceived as this exact behavior. I think England in the last, I think there's something like 4,000 people have been arrested in England for thought crimes where they've said things online that people find to be a hateful thing

or a problematic thing. And I think it's only 200 in Russia. Oh wow. Yeah. Lord knows if that statistic is correct, but will Rogan be equally concerned about what Trump is now doing? I guess we'll see.

And in seeing, it might actually give us some insight into just how far gone he is now. Not that he was ever here in the first place, I guess. Maybe he was, in his own words, always just a moron waiting for his king. But if not, Joe, I do wanna talk to you for a second. I wanna talk, I'm sorry, about the fascism of it all. In two parts, part one is just called,

Joe, just stop with the Nazi stuff, please. about the fascism of it all in two parts. Part one is just called jokes. Stop with the Nazi stuff, please. Come on, man. I won't spend too much time on this because everybody's a Nazi these days and so on. But some people are. And one of your favorite websites is full of Nazis and Nazi propaganda these days.

And so some other people willingly or not participate in the dissemination of Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denial. For example, when that not a psychologist talked about the made up term mass formation psychosis and said it's what happened during COVID and what happened during Nazi Germany, that's a form of Nazi propaganda.

It softens the indicators and causes and elements of fascism. It's saying that fascism and Nazism aren't ideologies. There's not a thought process or feelings or viewpoint behind it. It was just, people went crazy, just like COVID. Another bit of Nazi propaganda might be to soften the idea of white nationalism by saying, well, Chinese people live in China, why can't white people have a country? You said that yourself, Joe,

and the Twitter Nazis loved it. Another bit of Nazi propaganda might be to say that the number of people who died fighting Hitler and stopping the Nazi regime and expansion and plan to exterminate the Jews wasn't worth it. It was tens of millions of people after all. This of course seems to completely ignore, you know, invasion stuff and atrocities, but also ignores that Nazism is an ideology and has a political project with goals, and so allowing Hitler and Nazism to succeed and

thrive could lead to the expansion of and possible completion of their goals, which we think are bad. Right? So why am I even talking about this? Well, recently Rogan had on two controversial guests. One who doesn't say Jews are bad, but really likes to talk about bad things Jews do. And one who seems to be just a Hitler apologist. I've already given you a few examples

of the things the apologist said, but before I show you the final piece, we're going to go back seven years to when Rogan hosted friend of the show, Jordan Peterson, and some guy, Brett Weinstein, to talk about a disagreement regarding Peterson's characterization of Hitler. Interestingly, in that interview,

Weinstein takes a differing position to the mass formation psychosis theory of Nazism, describing it as a logical reaction from the viewpoint of wanting to maximize resources and protect in groups, which seems problematic for other reasons, but we're not going to get bogged down. Here is Joe Rogan talking about Genghis Khan and how people have started to have nice things

to say about him. But can you even imagine them doing that with Hitler? People look to him and they find all sorts of positive things to attribute to his reign. Opening up trade with China, opening up trade routes, all these different things that people have attributed to him, and that someday someone may do the same thing about Adolf Hitler. Right now, that is impossible. Yeah, I can't even imagine people doing that, man. Anyway, here's one of Rogan's recent guests.

People get sucked into it because, not because of some latent evil in their heart, but because their virtues get hijacked. Hitler is a good example. That is somebody who could say whatever you want about him. He loved the German people and he cared about the German people. I probably and hope I don't have to tell you

that, well, Hitler just cared too much about the Germans is fucking disgusting, Nazi propaganda, and Hitler apologia. Also, Hitler killed lots of Germans, German Jews, socialists, communists, elderly, gay, the infirm, dirty criminal animals, et cetera. But more importantly, Joe, this guy is trying to tell you that Hitler's crime was loving too much. You dumb piece of shit.

Anyway, that's part one. For part two, we're going to go back in time again. If you were in the presence of a woman who came over here from Guatemala and she's poor and she's starving and they're taking her baby away and she's wailing and screaming from a primal place in her DNA that the one thing she loves more than anything is being taken away. A baby! If that doesn't freak you the fuck out, you're not a part of the team, man.

You're missing it. You're missing it. What are we here for? We're here for a hundred years of whatever. That's what we're here for. If you want to spend a hundred years saying, hey, she should have fucking broke the law, I don't want you on the team. You're an asshole.

This not on our team moment from Rogan, I think, is sincere and important. And if he's listening, hi, like and subscribe, give me a million dollars, but mostly just consider your feeling about that. Watch yourself experiencing empathy for children and women and men who did nothing to earn the cruelty of the deliberate choices made by these people you now find yourself on the team of. I know Elon recently told you that empathy is suicide,

but do not believe him. He lies to you about everything. He lies to everybody all the time. He lied about playing video games, man. When he tells you social security is a Ponzi scheme, maybe Republicans are going to go after social security isn't some beach ball of a distraction. Consider that it's just two months in

and there's indiscriminate detaining of people for their views, the disappearing some beach ball of a distraction. Consider that it's just two months in and there's indiscriminate detaining of people for their views, the disappearing and deporting of children and sick children, of innocent women and men, and maybe even something in between if you're feeling nice. I urge you to think about that person who could recognize and condemn unnecessary cruelty. It might be harder to get there this time

since anything bad from Trump might make you think, well, I tried to get him elected and he told me I got him elected. You also know that if you go too hard on Trump, then you're on the vindictive baby president's bad side. So you've got to ignore it. But I really hope Joe, that you don't. Come back, not to the left

or whatever libertarian jujitsu vibe you're going for. Come back to your team. Come back to reality. Come back to a world where you don't want yourself and others to be ruled by, in your words, the king of morons. Hey, Cody, Cody, Cody, do you remember the number that people call when bad things happen? You mean 911?

Yes, that's it. That's the number. I knew that it had two towers in it. Oh my god. Oh my god. Is that why they called it 911? Because the two ones look like towers? You might want to evacuate the building. Hey, uh, I think Wormbow might be dead. Oh, no.

You know what? No, that's just my foot. I- It's my foot. Wormbow's fine, I think. Gotta go, Toodles! That's gonna really bring up our insurance rates. Bad idea, everyone. Podcasts are a bad idea. I think that's the moral. No podcasts.

["The Star-Spangled Banner"] But we have podcasts. I'll love you, Joe. Well, that's not true. I'm not a huge fan, but I'll, don't beat me up. And make sure to like and subscribe and leave a comment about how you also don't want Joe Rogan to beat me up. And we've got a podcast. Thank gosh we didn't abolish podcasts because we have a podcast called Even More News and you can watch it on YouTube or check it out

on the podcast store place that has those. You can listen to this show as a podcast if you wanna listen to it without my beautiful face talking to you. We've got a patreon.com slash some more news. We've got a merch store with stuff on it. Buy it or don't, it's up to you. I'm not gonna tell you what to do.

I don't want you to turn into some fucking Trump supporter because I told you to please buy some merch. But bottom line is, please don't beat me up, Joe. I don't have experience fighting like you do. It was in one fight in elementary school. Made me feel really bad actually, so I didn't do it again. But thanks.

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