Something Rhymes with Purple - Crambazzled

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

Jargon unites but it also excludes. Gyles is irritated by it. Susie loves it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is. Matin, as in the French. Yes. That's probably Latin, originally. Matutina. There's that matins, matinae. Matinaes were originally in the morning, so it's all related. Matutinal.

Yes. Anyway, this is one of your children? One of my children, my youngest. How many have you got in all? Two. So she wakes me up very early. Oh, gosh, my morning routine just involves lots of caffeine, cold water, splash on the face, and packed lunches.

I always admired my sister. I have three sisters, and one of them called Hester. Her morning routine began with her waking slowly and then feeling around the bed for her cigarette packet in the dark. How old was she at this point? Eight? She was grown up by then. And finding the cigarette and getting it to the mouth and then the first light that she would see would be from the match.

That would wake her up. She'd light the end of the cigarette, blow out the match and slowly watch the glow of the cigarette and that would wake her up. She'd light the end of the cigarette, blow out the match, and slowly watch the glow of the cigarette, and that would wake her. And then she'd feel back into the cigarette case for her contact lenses, which she kept in the cigarette packet. And then in the dark, from the glow of the cigarette, she'd try to insert. Oh, my goodness.

And I always thought, that's the way to live and to start the day. But sadly, she died aged 61, so it was not a good idea to smoke cigarettes. Fun as it was when I was a child, because she was older than me, watching her waking up and doing this routine with the cigarettes. It sounds very Greta Garbo somehow. Rather magnificent to lie in bed and let your cigarette wake you.

We don't encourage that. But you look fantastic. Do you put on a fake? When you do Countdown, because you do several in a day. We do five. Five in a day. Do you get made up? Do you do that yourself or does someone help you?

No, I'm hopeless with makeup. No, we have a wonderful team who plonk us down. We applied with coffee and then they set to work. You know this because you've had it done too. You're there for about two seconds and I'm there for about half an hour. Because there's no point with me. There's no point. If only I'd done what my wife said.

Actually, this is one of the rules in life. Do whatever your wife says. If I'd started moisturising when my wife first told me to, which is literally 50 years ago. But it wasn't trendy then. No, it wasn't. But if I'd done it then, I would look like she looks. People genuinely think that my wife is my daughter.

She's very beautiful. She's very beautiful. But also she's got very young, fresh skin because she is moisturised. You know, I, too, could look like Cliff, you know, but I don't. I've got funny old leathery skin and my hair's all gone. But what can we do? Anyway, the point is. We're on radio. We're on radio. This is Susie Dent. We're in a better place than radio. We are on podcast. That's true. That's true. We are in your ear with our amusing podcast, we hope, called... Something Rhymes with Purple.

Something Rhymes with Purple. We're still getting used to this, aren't we? We are getting used to it. I mean, in some ways, I think of it as being called If Words Could Talk. Because when I talk to you, I feel words could talk. Because you delve into the secrets of words. And today on our podcast, we want to talk a bit about jargon. Yes. Some of it really irritates me because I think it keeps people out. It's a kind of language that is exclusive. But you like jargon. But before we get on to jargon,

what does jargon mean? What's the origin of it? OK, jargon is another thing that came over, the word at least, with the Normans after 1066. It was spelt jargon, J-A-R-G-O-U-N. And it's got actually really lovely meaning, what it did then. It's the chattering of birds. Oh, the jargon. Yes, and it makes total sense because bird to bird, they understand each other perfectly.

We can't understand it. And as you say, that is the whole point of jargon. It unites, but it also excludes. And this is a double-edged sword, but it gets a really bad rap jargon, and I rather like it. I'll explain. Do explain. I mean, why do you like jargon? Because what annoys me about jargon is I go into a place and I hear people talking, for example, in acronyms.

You know, the ETO, the FSM, you know, I'm lost here. They're talking their language and they're doing it deliberately to keep me out. As you say, the language of birds, jargon. And I find that unattractive. But you, you like it rather like the criminal underworld where they had a kind of slang that they all spoke to one another. That you think is interesting. Yeah, Scottney rhyming slang started as jargon because it was basically a secret code amongst the costumongers in London 200, 300 years ago.

And it was designed to keep the authorities out if there was some sort of shady dealings going on. They could, you know, speak in their wonderful, joking, colourful patter and get away with it. But obviously, it was uniting as well. It was fun. It was a game. It was wordplay. And there's so many examples of this up and down the land. Can I just give you a few Cockney rhyming slang ones, just to test you, test you if you know. Oh, I probably won't. Quite exciting. The other day, I was hosting the Oldie of the Year Awards. You're about the only person under 80 that I know. And winning this was Lionel Blair. Remember Lionel Blair?

Yes, I do. He's still with us. He's aged 90. And we gave him the prize because he's got a snap on his celery. Fantastic. And he told me some amazing stories, Lionel Blair. Lionel Blair was in a movie in 1950. Can you imagine that long ago?

1950, he was in a movie with, wait for it, Errol Flynn's wife. Wow. And Errol Flynn's wife, and he got on rather well. So I think he had a bit of the hots for Errol Flynn's wife. And Errol Flynn, I don't think, was very amused that young Lionel Blair was coming in on the scene. Anyway, they went to a bullfight together. And guess who was

at the bullfight? Ernest Hemingway. Oh, he loved his bullfights. But picture Lionel Blair and Ernest Hemingway. It's just too fantastic. And Errol Flynn, what a trio. Can you imagine? Yes. Anyway, the point is, Lionel Blair is in the dictionary because flares.

You get flares. You're Lionel Blairs. You're Lionels. Yeah. What are Alan Wickers? Knickers? They are. I don't think people get that reference anymore, do they?

Alan Wicker was a television presenter, news reporter, and people... Apples and pears? Stairs. Very good. Artful Dodger? Codger? Lodger. A lodger. Baked bean. Has been. No, baked bean.

According to the dictionary, it's the queen. Oh, okay. I met my baker's dozen. Cousin? Correct. Oh, God. Oh, it's the queen. Oh, okay. I met my baker's dozen. Cousin? Correct. Oh, God. Oh, she's a lot of Barney Rubble. Trouble.

That's right. Meet you down at the Battlecruiser. Boozer. Well done. Bees and honey? Money. Oh, I'm doing bird lime. Time.

Time in prison, exactly. Now, biscuits and cheese. Don't know that one. Biscuits and cheese is rhyming, Kotlin rhyming, for knees or knees as we pronounce them. I've bruised my biscuits. You could say that, actually.

You rarely give the whole thing. That's what makes it clever, isn't it? Yeah, except you really decode it. So what is the origin of this? Tell me again, Kot, rhyming slang? Yeah, it goes back to, we think, to costumongers on the streets of London, 18th century, possibly 17th century, but largely 18th century, where they started to evolve this tribal banter that was both fun,

uniting, but also crucially a code that the police couldn't understand. So should they be buying their apples and pears, not their stairs, but their real apples and pears, as a sort of cut-down price, it had fallen off the back of a lorry, then they could describe them in a way that the police or the authorities wouldn't understand. So it was a sort of criminal banter, really.

And it's become like a sort of banter within a banter because, as you rightly say, you reduce half of it. That's the way you get sherbet okay is cottenry riding slang for a taxi how can that be sherbet fountain is all i can think of do you remember are you young enough old enough a sherbet dab is oh it's a lollipop that you dip in sherbet it you had a bit of licorice. Oh, licorice. A bit of licorice. That's like the fountain. Yes, yes. And you could either suck it through the licorice, like a licorice straw, or you dabbed it into the licorice. I love this.

So it's a sherbet dab. You lose the dab, it becomes a sherbet, or you just have the dab. The dab rhymes with cab. The cab is a taxi. I like it. So a sherbet is short for a sherbet dab, and a taxi is actually a cab. I love that. So So what's your skin? It's your sister.

Your kin? Skin and blister. Skin and blister, wow. It's your sister. I love it. Okay. Okay. So that's one that's been going for hundreds of years.

Is that a jargon or is that a slang? Well, it's a very fine line, actually. Very, very fine line between the two of them. I like to call it jargon simply because I think we do need to accept the fact that jargon can be good. I know that, you know, if there's ever a sort of poll that's published by a newspaper about jargon, it's going to be the top most annoying business sort of, you know, tropes or kind of little silly expressions that people ever use like low hanging fruit or let's go offline or, you know, all of that stuff. And yes, it is really annoying. Although I have to say, even business jargon can be quite inventive, like let's open the kimono. Do you know what that means?

Let's open the kimono. Please forgive me. I'm so sorry. This is a family accessible. I mean, there are people listening to this on their way to school. Let's open the kimono. Let's open the kimono is a phrase possibly used by a company when they've got bad results and they just want to put it all on the

table at the same time. So they're just going to disclose everything. I've heard the phrase open kimono. That means let it all hang out. Let it all hang out. That's just, yeah. Oh, let's open the kimono. Let everybody know the results are terrible. Okay. Open kimono, everybody. Yeah. I love the way I'm doing an American accent. I don't know why either, because it's used over here as well, but not enough, I have to say. But what's interesting about that is I'm finding that attractive because it's relatively new to me. But when it becomes, you know, level playing field. Going forward.

Yeah. You feel, oh, I've heard this so often. Yes. It becomes a cliche. Yes. Yes. And Lord of the Dragon is cliche. So I'm not denying that kind of jargon. Absolutely not. I would just say it probably started off with good intentions.

Again, it was a sort of way of not necessarily trying to sound clever, but a way of kind of being part of the group. And, you know, since English began, people have tried to be part of the group. They have tried to speak in a certain way in order to be cool or in order to be included. And you were talking about people speaking in acronyms. I'm not entirely sure it was in order to sort of get one over you. Most of the time, if you think about the fire service, for example, lots of acronyms there, but they all mean something. Can you give me an example? I actually can't at the moment because they don't mean anything to me at all. But fire woman to fire woman,

fire officer to fire officer, it means something. It's quick and they know what they're doing. And of course speed is of the essence there. So it's not always a bad thing. Is it true, incidentally, you may not know this, but somebody may and they can let us know somehow, that

air traffic controllers all speak in English. Probably. Because, except maybe in France. I think maybe that's, no, I think it is true. I think around the world, they all speak in English, except over France. The French air traffic controllers won't speak English. But I've heard the way some of these people speak English, and it's incomprehensible. And I'm always terrified when I'm flying in certain parts of the world where I know English is not their second, not their first or their second, or possibly even their third language,

to think that they're trying to do air traffic control, it quite frightens me. But think of their safety record. Yeah, I agree. But yes, that may well be true. And air traffic controllers actually have their own patois as well, their own jargon. jargon. or a consultant. You can get customized coverage for your business. Contact a licensed tea insurance advisor to learn more. It's new, it's blue, and it was made for you. Introducing the thirst-quenching Summer Berry Starbucks Refreshers Beverage,

where natural berry flavors meet juicy bursts of raspberry- flavoured pearls. It's our most blootiful drink yet. So try it while you can. Only at Starbucks. My interest in jargon really started because you will know this again from being in TV, Giles, but occasionally you might get told, as I was fairly often, Susie, you look hot on the floor. And I thought, oh, that's nice. Thanks for that. So I was a

little bit chuffed. My cheeks gave a little flush. But then I realised, sadly, that looking hot means shiny in the TV world. And the floor is the studio floor. In other words, you're on set and you're looking a bit hot. You're looking a bit shiny uh so that was the first thing i thought gosh that's really interesting i wonder what other things uh we use and so i started to i say i started to eavesdrop i've eavesdropped all my life so i started off at a convent uh that was the first tribe that i belonged to the convent tribe you were a convent girl i was a convent girl and was the convent run by nuns yes called sister this and sister that and there was the one in charge was called Mother This? The one in charge actually was just a sister.

Yes, the headmistress. Were they nice nuns on the whole? Yes. So we used to have a confessional. You know, we used to have to go to confession, and we would call it the spilling test, because behind the curtain of the confessional we would spill the beans that's what we called it

and then the penance that you would get of course depended on the misdemeanors that you had quite often you'd pretend to have done something because otherwise it was really boring so say I said I stole a pencil off somebody hold on I must just interrupt this because it's completely riveting to me my wife was brought up as a Catholic

okay I was brought up as an Anglican where they don't have confession in this sense. And I've always been intrigued by actually what goes on when in a Catholic church you disappear behind the curtain, you draw the curtain. It's rather like one of those photo me booths for getting your passport photograph done.

There's a little grill, isn't there? And inside is sitting the clergy person. The priest. The priesthood will be a man if it's a Catholic church. Yes. And what happens? What do they say?

You sit down and you have to say bless me Father for I have sinned. It is two months since my last confession or however. These are my sins.

And then you would recount them and as I say quite often you'd have to struggle to think of something so I would say I stole the pencil off my best

friend jemma uh or whatever and then at the end of it they would give you a penance and that penance do they respond to that i mean if no not to each individual sin they would just they nod or they say yes you actually can't really see them but you would just reel them all off and then they would um relieve you of your sins. They would forgive you. And then you're given a penance, which is part of the pardon. And what would the penance be? Go back to jargon then. So if I had three Hail Marys to do, which would be quite a short penance.

And Hail Mary is a prayer. Hail Mary is a prayer. Hail Mary full of grace. Lord, yes. That was known as an H3. So I'd come away and say to my friends, I've got an H3. So that was my first try. And would the priest have said to you, you need three H3s?

I'm just looking at producer. Charles is showing a really unhealthy interest in this. No, no. But I've always been fascinated because it's like Freemasonry. It's a world that many of us. Oh, Freemason. Yes, I looked it up. We'll come on to that.

But the point is, it's a world that a lot of us, you take it for granted because you as a girl went to confessional. I never went to it. I've seen the confessional books. I've never known what goes on inside. So I'm particularly intrigued. So he says three HMs to you. He would say three Hail Marys, four Lord's prayers, for example. That would have been for something pretty hefty.

And then you'd go and sit in the church and you would say those prayers and then you were... Cleansed. Absolved. Well done. Well, it's actually quite a nice system because it lifts the burden and you can start again with a clean slate. Yes. Look, it's worked. I don't do it anymore, I have to say.

But it has worked for millions of people for 2,000 years. So let us not knock it. Absolutely. Who haven't tried it. No, that's very true. But the nuns... Oh, you could get the full rosary as well. I can't even remember what the full rosary was.

The full rosary? I would call that the full rosy-lee. And I can't even remember what was the full rosary, but that again would be for something fairly sizable in terms of... The full rosary, because a rosary is also an object, isn't it? It is. It's a series of beads on a... You would take the beads and you would hold each individual bead,

say a prayer for each bead. But that was for the biggest transgressions, I would say, the full Rosie Lee. So when you were a little girl, we're talking about primary school age. Yes. You were introduced to the jargon of the confessional. I was. Well, at least it wasn't. I don't think anybody else used it, but we did. The girls used it. You made your own jargon. We made our own. And that's key because, again, it was uniting. And I've belonged to lots of different communities since then.

I've belonged to the cycling community. Anyone who's a cyclist or indeed a runner will know the meaning of the phrase, I've bonked. That simply means you've completely hit the wall in a really bad way. So you have absolutely no energy left. I can't remember the physiological reason behind this, but all your reserves reserves have gone and you absolutely have to avoid that at all costs um and of course lexicographers have have um their own phrases doctors famously have their own phrases from vip very intoxicated person um to um what else do they have just trying to to think. Doctors have so many. And again, a lot of them are acronyms. I'm reminded of the computer one,

the one in the computing world in the office, which is picnic, problem in chair, not in computer. In other words, it's the person doing the complaining that's got the problem, not the technology. So wherever you look, whichever world you enter, there will be a jargon, a little dialect that is incredibly important within that community and that others don't understand. And we're so busy lobbing these languages over the heads of others that we don't tune in. And when you do tune in, it's just

fascinating. Do we advise people to use jargon or do we say to them, please avoid jargon on the half? It depends. I think if it's meaningless and has become a cliche, then try and be a little bit more inventive. But I would just say, tune into it a little bit more. Ask your builder. I had a great time with a set of builders asking for their jargon. I bet you did.

If you arrived saying, I'm totally bonked, they were very confused. That's the problem, isn't it? Yes, that is the problem. Well, that is the problem if you are deliberately obfuscating, as they say. But

a wonderful plasterer called Luke helped me out, actually, and he told me that a spirit level is called a Gary, because that's Gary Neville, spirit level. Michael Barrymore is a room that's going to be painted all white. I can't do a Michael Barrymore oh very good

spreading the fat on the Lionel if I was to say that to you if I was to say I've got builders in this week spreading the fat on the Lionel not Lionel Blair this time no Lionel Ritchie yes

spreading the fat is plastering and Lionel Ritchie it's not rhyming slang but the Lionel is the ceiling because of the Lionel Ritchie song dancing on the ceiling so they call it the Lionel Richie, it's not rhyming slang, but the Lionel is the ceiling because of the Lionel Richie song, Dancing on the Ceiling. So they call it the Lionel, which I love. Very good. They have a snotter, which is something that gets stuck,

that shouldn't be there in plaster or wet paint. They have this huge tribal lexicon, which I do love. And as I say, I would recommend anybody to start tuning in. Twitchers, birdwatchers, oh, theirs is amazing. So the point is any group of people has a language of their own, the jargon, so that they can communicate more comfortably with one another.

Yes, and they can have fun and, you know. And in a way, your way of getting into that group is to pick up on that jargon, to understand it and to use it gently at first, but then with growing confidence and maybe add to it, come up with your own. Yes, add to it. I mean, I then with growing confidence and maybe add to it, come up with your own. Yes, add to it. I mean, I think if you're not part of the group, obviously tread carefully

because it's like parents trying to speak in teen slang. It'll just sound ridiculous. But I think just learning a little bit about it and asking and enjoying it because it's, you know. Because I occasionally try to do that. And it's like, it is dad dancing, isn't it? It is. I guess it's the same. It's the same thing. But then please explain this to that. And it's like, it is dad dancing, isn't it? I guess it's the same. It's the same thing. But then please explain this to me. I hear this word everywhere.

It's now being used in advertisements. My children are using it. My grandchildren are using it. But I haven't actually understood it completely. Unicorn. The new use of the word unicorn. Is it a kind of jargon word? It's not really, no.

I think that's just sort of slang. Unicorn just means sort of pretty and often quite pink and sort of multicoloured. So you might get a unicorn latte, unless I'm misunderstanding this. That's what I'm thinking for unicorn. Oh, really? What are you thinking of? Well, I mean, yes, the definition I got here is denoting something, especially an item of food or drink that is dyed in rainbow colours, decorated with glitter, etc. But I think there's something more to it than that. I think people are saying, you know, oh, are you unicorning?

I think we've got to, we are the word detectives. We've got to have got to the root of the unicorn. And there's another tribe that I find absolutely fascinating and we mentioned them earlier and that is the jargon of black cab drivers. It's amazing. Yeah. Because they were another lovely group that I met.

And they have not just their rhyming slang, but they've renamed landmarks of London. OK, so they have the Gasworks, which are the Houses of Parliament. Love it. They have the Tripe Shop, which is the BBC. This is outrageous. Well, it's Broadcasting House. They have the Scent Box. Now, this is quite clever. This is the taxi rank, it's Broadcasting House. They have the scent box. Now, this is quite clever.

This is the taxi rank at King's Cross. Oh, it's rank. It's rank. So the rank smell, the scent box are clever. Yes. I love all those. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that in because my time sitting in the back of black cabs, I met one of the very few women, female black cab drivers in London.

She was fantastic. And she let me into even her little sort of subdivision of cabby slang. I mean, honestly, it's everywhere. I like black cabs. I love black cabs. I'm used black cabs.

What's the origin of the word Uber? Why is Uber? I don't know. It means across or over in German. It means it's German. But is that the way why they use it? Uber.

I'm guessing so. Uber. Uber. Do they have an umlaut on the U? Uber. I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to check. Well, it's all Uber here.

It is almost over here. It's time for your trio, because this is a self-improving podcast. The idea is that it pays to increase your word power. And thanks to Susie, we can all have bigger, better, more beautiful vocabularies. Is trio a chocolate bar as well? I feel it should be. Three fingers of chocolate goodness. Sounds good to me.

Let's have a trio. And I'm sure yours will sound good to us. What have you got today? Okay, no particularly unifying theme for these three. They're just words that I love. Okay, the first one, you were definitely not this, Giles. I think you were now a teetotaler, if I'm right. But crambasled.

Crabbasled. Cram. Crambasled. Basled. That is a word that means prematurely aged from drinking too much. Oh. It's good, isn't it? I just love the sound of it. You can see them when they walk into the room, those faces. It's usually men.

They've all got red and the nose is sort of bulbous and slightly. Oh, yes. There's a word for that kind of nose as well. It's called a grog blossom. There's kind of red veins on the nose. A grog blossom. A grog blossom. But if you're cram-bazzled, that means that you've taken...

You got old before your time because you've been... You've been partying too hard. And what's the origin? Cram and basiled? Who knows? I think, again, born of its sound is a dialect word. I picked it up from an old glossary, I think from Norfolk. I just love it.

Cram-bazzled. Cram-bazzled. The second one is an imaginary illness. So you might find this useful after a summer holiday when you just don't really feel like going back to work or indeed after the Christmas break, whatever. It's called a hum-dudgeon. Hum-dudgeon.

Hum-dudgeon. And dudgeon is spelt? D-U-D-G-E-O-N. A hum-dudgeon, all one word. As in high-dudgeon. And dudgeon is spelt? D-U-D-G-E-O-N. Humdudgeon. All one word. As in high dudgeon. Yes. As in Neil Dudgeon, the marvellous actor who took over from John Nettles in Midsommar Murders.

Oh, I don't know him. Okay. Yeah, you don't know Midsommar Murders. It's not your generation. Okay. But people like me, we love Midsommar Murders. I mean, frankly, that's the sort of person I am. If you like Midsommar Murders, then we'll get on very well indeed.

Curiously enough, given my job, I don't really watch daytime TV, which is bad. I'd be honest. The only reason I watch it is because I had to hear my voice on the commercials. Because on daytime television, I do some of the voiceovers. And I've recently become the voice, wait for it, I've become the voice of the Tenaflex Plus super soft incontinence pad I knew you were going to say something like that

and they told me that my voice was exactly right for the product and I thought this is irresistible and it's actually you get a free supply as well which explains how I can

you know we sit here recording the podcast you're nipping out to the loo every ten minutes I sit here firm and fast by the microphone so humdudging humdudging is an imaginary illness,

something you might want to use talking to your boss. And the third one is, it's not really, everyone knows this word, it's not really one to learn, but I love the history of it. So I'm going to throw in a word origin here, and that is panic. And panic goes back to the god Pan. All this sort of mischief of Sprite, really.

Panic, as in I'm having a panic attack? Yes. P-A-N-I-C. Simple as that. P-A-N-I-C. And that is because he was a deity, if you like, wasn't he?

And he used to hide in the woods, according to legend, and make mysterious noises that would frighten travellers as they passed by. And he would throw everyone into a panic.

So it all goes back to Pan. We've got Pan. I really like that one. So there you go. Panic, Humdudgeon and Crown Basalt. Three fabulous words from the fabulous Susie Dent. I've always wanted to play Captain Hook in Peter Pan. Speaking of Pan, because I imagine Peter Pan, it's the same God Pan, isn't it?

And he looks like him, the boy. I've never been offered either Peter Pan or Captain Hook. But you, I could imagine, would be a wonderful Wendy. Wendy, word made up by J.M. Barrie. That's what you were going to say, wasn't it? I was going to. Is that correct? Or was that an urban myth? No, no, I think he did invent it.

So anybody out there called Wendy is called Wendy because of Peter Pan, first produced in 1904. Was it? I know that because it was a great year for the theatre. The Cherry Orchard by Chekhov also appeared in 1904. I love that. Anybody called Wendy, it's because of Peter Pan. Anybody called Hayley is because of the actress Hayley Mills,

who happens to be a friend of mine and a really lovely person. She's a friend and a neighbour of mine. And it's a family name of hers. And because she was a film star in the 1960s, got an Oscar, people began calling their children Hayley. Interesting. Anyway, if you have enjoyed listening to us, you please review us, spread the word, tell people,

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