Something Rhymes with Purple - Eggcorns

Episode Date: May 28, 2019

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Available at the LCBO. Must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. There's a lovely story by the writer Jeanette Winterson, if you remember her, Giles. I don't remember. I know the name. Yeah, great writer. She wrote something called Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit. She wrote many years ago now about a plumber, basically, who came to look at her washing machine, which was up the spout. And he had a broad Gloucestershire accent.

He called the washing machine he um and he said uh my old washing machine i can't do the gloucestershire accent he's given up the goat and she said the goat are you sure and he said oh yes have you never heard that before and she said well no where does it come from and he said oh well in the old days when folks didn't have much and mainly worked the land a man set a lot of store by his animals, especially his goat. When he came to die, he would bequeath the goat to his heirs. And that's why we say he's given up the goat. And I remember chuckling about this because not only did he slightly mangle the expression,

but he had a whole rationale for why it was given up the goat and not, of course, the standard given up the goat. But I think his story is more credible. Well, it's certainly a lot more colourful. Given up the goat. I love that. So we've mentioned oranges are not the only fruit, but we have mentioned the title of our podcast. This is Susie Gent and I'm talking with Giles Brandreth and our podcast is called Something Rhymes with Purple. And it does.

It does. Today, we are talking about slip-ups. So the inadvertent slip-ups that we all make, let's face it, when we're talking, when we're writing. But including those actually eventually enter the language as the standard, believe it or not. And what do you call these? Egg corns. I've never heard of egg.

I know there's a place called Head Corn, which I think is either in Sussex or Kent. I've been to Headcorn. Egg corn. Egg corn. Now, an egg corn. Okay. Egg corn was the term that was given for this phenomenon by two American linguists. And it was based on an overhearing.

Basically, when you're a linguist, you need to eavesdrop a lot. You pick up all sorts of gems from eavesdropping. I'll come back to some of my eavesdroppings, if I can call them those, a little bit later. But they overheard somebody in the Midwest of America talk about the egg corns that were falling from her oak tree. And obviously she meant acorns, but she had grown up knowing them as egg-corns because she'd misheard it slightly. Or maybe her parents had misheard it. Who knew? And they look a little bit like eggs, don't they?

Exactly. It's logical. They look exactly like mini, mini eggs. And I love that. And obviously they loved it too. So they gave these kind of mishearings, logical mishearings, if you like, that are not based on illiteracy or just stupidity. They're simple mishearings. And there are so many of them in English. And actually, when we start talking about them, I would place a bet that some of our listeners will have actually used exactly these mishearings before. So it's like Chinese whispers, you get it slightly wrong,

and then you repeat it. But in a way that makes sense. So for example, repeated. But in a way that makes sense. So for example, like a bowl in a china shop. Oh. Sort of makes sense although the kind of meaning of the expression doesn't make sense. Like a bowl in a china shop. I mean, that's what you expect in a china shop, isn't it? A bowl. Exactly. So there's kind of

logic there, although it doesn't really convey the kind of thrashing around like a bowl. Involving another animal, I love this one. Just starting something right from the gecko. Oh, as opposed to get go. Yeah, I just like that one. Thanks to Twitter, primarily, we're talking about things that are trending towards rather than tending towards.

Oh, and then it becomes part of the language, isn't it? That is language changing. Twitter can be, texting can be very dangerous because that's when I got into trouble. When I texted my wife to say I'd paid the au pair, it came out as I'd laid the au pair. Because I've just, you know, when I had, you know, I mispronounced the digit, but that's just a mistake. No, I genuinely the other day asked somebody, jokingly I was saying to a friend, stop hogging the limelight. And that came out as stop dogging. Oh, please.

But it's very easy to do. Yes, my daughter sent me a text, you know, saying that she was expected. I'm expected. It came out as I'm expecting. Because the predictive text did that and you shouldn't check it. You can do things too quickly. But that's not what these egghorns are about. An egghorn is a misheard thing.

A mishearing. So I'll give you a few more. Growing like top seed. Now that is totally understandable because who knows what the original expression is these days? You do? Growing like top seed. It's based on a novel. Okay. A Victorian novel which there was a character called Topsy and who grew and grew and grew. That's all I know. Okay. And I used to be able to know the name of the person who wrote the novel. Anyway, it's a character in a novel and she just grew and grew and grew. So you're growing like Topsy.

Like Topsy. It's an American novel, I think. Well, there you go. But nobody's heard of it these days. So we now talk about growing like Topsy. Do you know, most of my references, nobody has heard of these days. No. Yeah. Well, here's one that even you won't have heard of. Do you ever talk about somebody

who's been so ingratiating and sucking up to somebody so much that you say, oh, they're really currying favour. Did you ever say that? Okay. Yes. Currying favour. It's a well-known phrase. Did you know that the original was currying favel, F-A-V-E-L with a capital F? No. Now, that goes back to very, very, very old, I think it was medieval story. You're telling me that currying favour is not correct. It was originally currying fable. Yes, it's not the original expression, shall we say. Wow.

So fable was a horse that belonged to the king. And those courtiers who wanted to be in the king's good books would come and pick up a curry comb, which is the expression, of course, for one of the brushes that you use to brush down a horse. And they would brush down with a curry brush this horse to within an inch of his life in order to please the king. This can't be true.

No, it's very true. And there are sort of other, I mean, I could go into various interpretations of the, it was a kind of allegory and the horse was cunning, etc., etc. But the main thing was a curry comb was used on this horse. And whose horse was this? Who did Fable belong to? A king.

A king in this story. And that was the whole point because they wanted to be on the side of the king. And the king would be most pleased if his horse's coat was shining and looking a softer satin. It's a lovely story. Yeah. So a carry comb was taken to this horse Fable. And then eventually people were like, Fable? Who's Fable? It's a lovely story. Yeah. So a carry cane was taken to this horse, Fable, and then eventually people were like,

Fable? Who's Fable? It didn't make sense, but Fable made perfect sense. But to this day, we still talk about carrying Fable when carrying actually

doesn't really make much sense at all, but that is where it comes from. I think it's amazing. I want to find out who owned Fable. It's the most unusual

name for a horse, or was Fable a well-known name? I don't know, actually, but all I know is it was a king. A king. I don't think it who owned Fable. It's the most unusual name for a horse. Or was Fable a well-known name? I don't know, actually. But all I know is it was a king. A king. I don't think it was any specific king. And there's another mishearing, another egg-corn involving horses, actually,

which is putting the cat before the horse. Oh, instead of putting the cat before the horse. Yes. Sort of, again, sort of makes sense. The chickens are coming home to roast. You might be going at it like hammer and thongs. Oh, that's amazing. Going at it like hammer and thongs.

And I'll give you another final one. And again, this sort of makes sense. A parting of the waves. Again? I think we've come to a parting of the waves. Some of these are, do you think they're invented? No, no, these are legitimate overhearings. And, you know i

have actually seen things written down so or actually overheard them i talked about eavesdropping uh earlier so for example uh i have heard loot cubicles are very very good if you happen to have a little black book with you and you're a linguist very good for overhearing funny things and then you can write them down uh so a couple of examples. I heard one teenager say to another, I've got a massive cold sore on my lip. And then I heard another couple, it was women again, obviously, because I was in a ladies' loo,

saying, you wash my back, darling, and I'll wash yours, which I loved as well. I thought that was great. When I was a member of parliament, briefly, the people spoke. When I was a member of parliament, briefly, the people spoke. When I was a member of parliament, I remember making a speech,

a rousing speech recommending a certain policy and that if we followed this policy, there would be a new dawn. I was offering hope. And my speech ended by saying, vote for this and we will soon see the blight at the end of the tunnel. It just came out wrong.

Perfect. Because I'd used the word, I'd planned to use the word blight earlier and end of the tunnel. It just came out wrong. Perfect. Because I'd used the word, I'd planned to use the word blight earlier and it just came out, it was most unfortunate. But I would have called that a malapropism. Well, there's actually a very thin line between all of these.

What is the difference between an acorn and a malapropism? Well, malapropism, of course, goes back to Mrs. Malaprop, although, again, that's Sheridan, wasn't it? Not many people will probably know now the origin, do you think? Not many people will probably know now the origin. Do you think? These verbal slip-ups, let's give people something to get their teeth into here.

These egg-corns that you're talking about, I would originally have called them Malapropisms because Richard Brinsley Sheridan, wonderful Irish playwright, wrote not very many plays, but in one of them he has a character, I think it's the school, is it The Rivals? I think it's in The Rivals he has a character. I think it's the school. Is it The Rivals? I think it's in The Rivals. He has a character called Mrs. Malaprop.

Yes. And she is muddling up her words all the time. It's a running gag. He didn't invent the idea of somebody gets their words. Oh, certainly not. Like an alligator. He had spoonerisms as well. Like an alligator on the banks of the Nile, meaning an allegory.

Yes. She got her words muddled up. Yes. You can look up a whole series of them. I would say that the origin of the, they want to be called malapropisms, they want to be called dogmarisms. Oh, yeah, the reverend. No, not the reverend. Is it not reverend?

In Shakespeare's play, I think it's, is it, what is the play? Dogbury and Virgis. Is it much ado about nothing? What is the play? Dogbury and Virgies. Is it much ado about nothing? Anyway, the Dogbury and Virgies, these two characters, the watch, they are sort of policemen of the time. Dogbury keeps getting his words muddled up.

So there should be dogburyisms or malapropisms. Or spoonerisms. No, oh well. Spoonerisms are kind of, I hissed my mystery lecture. That's it. That kind of thing, yes. You have tasted the whole worm instead of wasted the whole term The reason for that is it's Warden Spooner Anyway, Warden Spooner was the person who, and that's why it's called a spoonerism

A misheard song lyric is called a mondegreen You've got spoonerisms, acorns, malapropisms They're sort of all fairly close, I have to say Yeah, I mean, acorns tend to be replacing an unfamiliar word or an obscure word with a more common or modern word. But, you know, sometimes they don't make sense, like right from the gecko. So you could argue that they are malapropisms.

And then there's malaphors, which is a kind of new kid on the block, at least when it comes to the term a malaphor. Now, a malaphor is a cross between a metaphor and a malapropism. Hold on, what is a metaphor? A metaphor is a figure of speech that I'm going to give you the exact definition of it now, given that I'm sitting in front of the dictionary. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase is

applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. In other words, it's something regarded as representative or symbolic of something else. Can you give me an example? I wandered lonely as a cloud. Yes, that's a simile. Ah, because I was like that. So a metaphor is... Ah, gosh.

Look up metaphor and see if we can give a fun, good example of a metaphor. Okay. I'm as hungry as a horse. No, that's a simile. a horse no that's a curtain of night a curtain of night descended yes upon us very good that's a metaphor but i mean perch is full of full of metaphors okay anyway so malifaux is uh something like it's produced some hilarious examples and again the reason i love these is that they sound plausible and it's only when you stop or somebody stops you

that you think oh yeah I haven't got that quite right so for example it's not rocket surgery oh that's brilliant that's mixing up obviously brain surgery and rocket science uh which I absolutely love there is well I've talked about when the cows come uh oh no haven't when the cows come home to roost I talked about the chickens coming home to roast when the cows come home to roost. I talked about the chickens coming home to roast. When the cows come home to roost, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. Now, how plausible does that sound? If somebody said that to me,

I'm not sure I would immediately trip over it. So I love all of these. But actually, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. It's rather good. You could say that of sort of government policy all the time. Well, I guess you could. I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. I good. You could say that of sort of government policy all the time. I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. I guess you could, actually. I think that's very true. Do we like these things? Are these good? I mean, I love them. I think the whole joy of language is that it is constantly evolving and that these slip ups, they make language more colourful and

amusing. And I like people who dare to. The problem, you know, with the world of political correctness now is that everybody has to watch what they say. And you've got to almost censor yourself before you speak. So people are not using perhaps language as richly as they might because they're fearful of getting it wrong and making a fool of themselves or wrong and inadvertently saying something that might be considered offensive. Yeah, I think that's true. I think in schools these days, certainly in Britain, there is a definite drive to let children express themselves without fear of tripping up. So I think that's hugely important. They use lots of euphemisms for tripping up, like falling forward

and that kind of thing. But yes, be brave, be bold, be strong. If you do trip up, you know, who knows, it might become part of the language in future years. I think what we always say, don't we, Giles, is that the key thing is clear communication. So if you're doing anything that impedes communication, then you have to watch your step. But actually, you know, wordplay has been part and parcel of some of our greatest literature, I think of Shakespeare,

since time immemorial. So playing around with words, enjoying them, relishing them, I think is really key. And these aren't too much of a step aside from that enjoyment of wordplay, except often it's inadvertent. We're not going to impede the wordplay, but we're going to pause during it for a little break. Introducing TD Insurance for Business, with customised coverage options for your business. Because at TD Insurance, we understand that your business is unique, so your business insurance should be too. Whether you're a shop owner, a pet groomer, a contractor, or a consultant, you can get customized coverage for your business. Contact a licensed TD Insurance advisor to learn more.

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Oh, I love that. Yeah, sort of makes sense. It does make sense. You can't get a leopard to change its stripes. What? You can't get a leopard to change its stripes. Love it. I'm worried stiff.

I've heard that so often. But isn't that an expression? I'm worried stiff. It's I'm worried sick. Oh, I'm worried stiff. I'm worried sick. Oh, I'm worried stiff. But that's even worse. I'm worried sick. And now I'm so sick.

I'm dead. I'm stiff. I'm worried stiff. Stuck out like a sore eye. Maybe not that one. No, I like that. But, you know, just sometimes, as I say, they sort of sound... What they do is they take cliches and turn them into something more interesting.

I mean, a cliche is a cliche. Do you know what? You do know the origin of the word cliche, don't you? Yes. Printing? Printing, yes. French printing? Molten metal.

Molten metal. It was called a cliche, the thing that repeatedly did the same thing time and again? Yes, exactly. Like a stereotype, that also comes from printing. So a cliche is something we use all the time without thinking about it from the printing press cliche yes and a lot of our languages we fall into using the same phrases all the time you know uh whatever it could be what was the one you just said um serious no worried stiff worried stiff worried sick worried sick i was worried oh i got it i was gutted i would you know i was worried sick well actually turned into what it's stiff

takes it away from being a cliche and makes you think about it again. And that's what, one of the things that I like, one of the reasons I believe in word power and I'm very much torn with the young people, this whole free expression thing in schools. I'm all in favor of encouraging young people to speak, to write, to communicate as best they can. But at

the same time, I feel they should know what the rules are. I think it's useful to know about spelling, grammar, you know, how to shape a paragraph, how you do these things. But you don't want to inhibit a child's natural free expression. How do you encourage that? And actually getting just people to burble away is a fun way of doing it. I do a radio show called Just a Minute. And there we are challenged to speak for just a minute without hesitation, deviation or repetition. And there you find yourself just talking on automatic. There are loads of acorns in there.

And there are because you just keep burbling away. Because you can't repeat anything and you've got to think of new words. And that's quite an exciting thing to do. And I like that. And so what I like is also, is this an acorn where I found myself once saying, people who live in glass houses, I'm playing just a minute, people who live in glass houses should undress in the basement. No, that's, I think that would just be a

play yeah i like that but things like like lemmings to the slaughter that's good or adding salt to injury do you know and there are some things adding salt to injury is really painful because it's an open wound what what is the normal expression i've forgotten you see again this is like insult to injury insult to injury that comes from from one of Aesop's fables, in fact. But we've lost the original reference and that's the whole thing. And actually, I remember having a Twitter exchange the other day, an exchange on social media, about whether it was having another think coming or another thing coming. And the jury was out where a lot of people said, is the thing coming? I've got another thing coming. But no, it started off as another think coming, which makes total sense.

You know, if you don't do this, you've got another think coming. In other words, you will think again and you will think on it and you will rue the day and you will change your mind. It's so funny. You use expressions all the time you don't think about. You said if the jury is out, assuming everybody knows what a jury is. The jury is out means that people haven't decided yet. So the jury has left the courtroom and is in that little room trying to decide what the verdict should be. Yeah, we don't really explore the metaphors very often.

But anyway, just go to another think coming. That was the original. But within 10 years, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, people had started to mishear it. So now, if you looked at Oxford's wonderful dictionary databases, you will find they are neck and neck, another think coming and another thing coming. And there is no correct one because the non-standard may replace the standard over time. Maybe it should be nick and neck. I rather like that. I've invented one now.

Neck and neck. How interesting. Honing in and homing in. Which is correct. That's another one. Homing in. But people think of honing a blade. Or what is the original word?

Well, just like a sort of target. You're homing in on something. If you think about a gun. You're going into the home place. Homing in on its target. Or you're honing in, as in honing. Because it makes sense. Making point of something in the right direction.

But yeah, all these sort of vague mishearings or misunderstandings, or you might not even call them that, actually, but you can see how these alternative interpretations come about, like giving up the goat trouble with being a linguist and lexicographer is that everyone expects you to speak perfectly without any acorns or malifors or malapropisms and that actually couldn't be further from the truth because i'm always slipping up i i do have lots of blind spots um but the one acorn that i can think of which again made sense to me at the time I know it's not the correct idiom. But I just said to a friend, after a particularly bad experience, work experience,

I just said, never mind, I'm just going to chuck it up to experience. Oh, I like that one. Yeah, which actually involved somehow the sort of sense of vomiting, which actually what is what the experience made me feel like. So it kind of made sense at the time. Well, sometimes people simply don't understand. My darling mother lived to be 96 years of age, and for her 96th Christmas, my son gave my mother, knowing she was a dynamic person and liked new things,

he gave her an iPad to a 96-year-old lady who she was delighted to get this iPad, excited to get this iPad. She had no idea what it was. She knew it was called an iPad. She thought, this is for real, that it was an electronic incontinence pad. No, genuinely. Eye for incontinence. What would you know?

What is the eye for in iPad? Good point. What is the eye for in iPad? I don't know, but I'd hate to think what she did with it. Well, she did, and then she died with a smile on her face on Boxing Day. You're sipping your cup of coffee there. That reminds me of another eavesdropping, which was in a coffee queue, another good place apart from Lou's,

for tuning in to people's kind of linguistic transgressions. And that was a lovely one. Actually, two I can think of now, two in the coffee queue. One was a woman who was very, very cross with a work colleague, clearly, and was just having a right go. And finally turned to a friend and said, but that, his attitude is the whole crotch of the matter, which I loved. That made me laugh a lot. And then, not on the same day, there was another. You know how people tend to be kind of over-exuberant, so sort of linguistic inflation, you just say, oh, you're a hero when somebody's just, you know, put your coat on for you or something. It was one woman saying to another who'd bought her a cappuccino,

she put the cappuccino on the table and her friend said, oh, thank you, I'm internally grateful. Oh, that's lovely. Again, made sense. Made sense. The best one, though though was applied to me and actually I rather enjoyed this one. It was one man passing on a compliment to me, turned to his friend

and he said, I told you, she's a minefield of information. I really like that one. My grandson came back and said somebody had kicked him in the goalies. In the goalies? Oh, well kids come up with these things all the time. Because he came back from football. All the time. He'd obviously overheard that expression, and it was a touch

of the acorns there, but I rather liked it. I love it. And to this day, my youngest, who loves a good game of football, talks about the team Huddlesfield. Huddlesfield. I love that. They're rolling in a huddle. Time for the trio, please. Time for my trio. Okay. If you're new to this, these are three words,

real words, real words, genuine words that do exist, not invented by Susie, that we think, well, we want to try and get them into our vocabulary. Yes, I would just say not necessarily in all dictionaries. Some of them are very old. Some of them are not used enough, sadly, to be to sort of deserve inclusion in the dictionary. We must do a podcast on how words get into the dictionary. Yes, I'm always being asked that one. How it happens. Okay, the first one is quite beautiful, I think.

It is petrichor. P-E-T-R-I-C-H-O-R. P-E-T-R-I-C-H-O-R. Petrichor. Petrichor. Anything to do with a petri dish? Anything to do with a petri?? Anything to do with the Petri? Is it some kind of a bird in a Petri?

No. Yes, sort of. You've got the kind of the stone bits. It's related to petrified. The original, you know, we still actually retain this sense sometimes to be petrified is to be turned into stone. Of course. St. Peter being the stone.

The rock on which the church is built is St. Peter. There you go. All linked. Petrichor. Petrichor. Petrichor is that beautiful earthy smell that occurs when rain falls on dry soil. So during the summer, after a long period of hot weather, you get a sudden rainfall, after a long dry period, and you will breathe in the scent of petrichor, which I love. I love that. Is that your favourite scent?

No, basil is my favourite scent, or freshly cut grass, I would say. I think newly mown grass. Yeah. You can't do better than that. Actually, fresh bread. Oh, yes, that's good too. Outside a bakery, fresh bread. Shall I tell you where it comes from, petrichor?

Yes. It's quite beautiful. Well, we talked about petra meaning stone, but ichor, this is from the Greek, is the fluid that flowed in the veins of the gods in Greek mythology. So that's how beautiful the scent is. Isn't that gorgeous? Love that.

I love it, petrichor. Petrichor. Okay. Is okay another of your words? No, my second one. Then we will be doing a whole podcast on the origin of OK, so controversial, never been quite worked out. What's your second one? Well, we are all being encouraged these days, quite rightly, to use our own coffee cups

rather than use the plastic ones that are provided by coffee stores, purely because those ones aren't recyclable. However, the cardboard sleeves that come with your coffee cup are indeed recyclable. So they're not too bad. Yeah, they're not so ecologically damaging. Exactly. But did you know that there was a word for that sleeve? The cardboard sleeve around your coffee cup?

Yes. What's it called? It is a zarf. Oh. Z-A-R-F. Yes. And zarf, is that a word from your beloved German in origin? Sounds like it, doesn't it?

No. or beloved German in origin? Sounds like it, doesn't it? No, it actually goes all the way back to Arabic, because in ancient times, a zarf was a holder of ornamental metal, sometimes precious silver, for a coffee cup without a handle.

So you will find them still in beautiful tankards, you might find. You know when you sort of put the glass inside the silver? Oh, those metal ones that people have glue vinyl in. You sort of hop drinks off and have them. Yeah. I can't wait to go to the coffee shop later. And ask for a zarf. And say, I'm afraid of this.

Exactly. Trust me, I've tried it. It didn't work. But the more we use it. Just for a laugh. I want a zarf just for the laugh. The more it might go in. So that's my second word.

Oh, look, I've come up with a, what's it, an acorn. Okay. He who zarfs lasts. Yeah. As in who laughs lasts. He who zarfs, because if you've got the zarf around your thing, you last longer because you can hold it. All right, forget it.

Move on. What's your third one? I get it. Okay. So my last one is to spuddle. To spuddle. That is a useful verb. It goes back to the 1600s. And it means to work feebly and ineffectively because you're either daydreaming or you haven't quite woken up yet. To spuddle. To spuddle.

Is it a good thing? It's a lovely word. To spuddle. To spuddling. To spuddling along. To spuddling. To spuddle. Just such an ambling in your mind. Spuddling along, looking for the coffee. Oh, there's the zaaf. Marvellous. And hoping that, oh, the rain will fall

and then we can enjoy the fragrance of the petrichor. I think this podcast has given up the goat. OK, if you've been enjoying Something Rhymes with Purple, we'd love it if you could give us a rating or write a review. It's not rocket surgery. Something Rhymes with Purple is a Something Else production. It was produced by Paul Smith with additional production from Russell Finch, Steve Ackerman and Josh Gibbs.