Something Was Wrong - S1 E15: Safety + Coping Strategies for Leaving Abusive Relationships

Episode Date: July 17, 2019

In today’s episode, I interview Holistic Psychotherapist, Isaac Smith, MAT, LCSW, NTP to discuss why leaving an abusive relationship safely is important, the cycle of domestic abuse, creating a safety plan, resources available to all, and how others can best support those in an abusive relationship.Episode Resources:FREE interactive safety plan to help you prepare: loveisrespect.org National Domestic Violence hotline [phone] (SAFE)Legal help for women by state: womenslaw.orgList of shelters by city/state: domesticshelters.orgFind a therapist by city/state: psychologytoday.com or goodtherapy.orgIsaac Smith on Instagram: @WholeWellnessTherapyFind out more @: https://www.wholewellnesstherapy.com/Something Was Wrong is written, produced and edited by Tiffany Reese. On Instagram @LookieBoo See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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discretion when listening. Hello, I'm extremely excited about today's bonus episode. Since the start of something was wrong, I have received many messages from listeners who are currently working towards leaving an abusive relationship, or that are debating on how best to do so. In today's episode, I interview Isaac Smith, a Sacramento-based holistic psychotherapist

and nutritional therapy practitioner. To discuss why leaving abusive relationships is important, the cycle of domestic abuse, creating a safety plan, resources available to all economic classes, and how others can best support those in an abusive relationship. I truly believe this information is invaluable, and I am so thankful to Isaac for taking the time to share this knowledge with us. All of the resources mentioned in this episode will be found in the show notes.

Please consider sharing this episode with your friends and family, as it can truly save lives. I'm Tiffany Reese and this is Something was Wrong. I sat down with Isaac this past Sunday, July 14th, 2019. You may hear the world's cutest baby in the background laughing in the distance at times. Not to worry, that's just Isaac's adorable baby playing with their mama. Yeah, so my name is Isaac Smith. I'm a licensed clinical social worker.

I'm a holistic psychotherapist that I work in private practice. I work with people here in the Sacramento area, um, as well as online. If you, if you live in California, um, I can do one-on-one therapy online. How did you get in interested in this field of work? Uh, when I started graduate school, I really wasn't planning on becoming a therapist. one-on-one therapy online. How did you get interested in this field of work? When I started graduate school, I really wasn't planning on becoming a therapist. That sort of passion developed for me over

time and was really impacted by the agencies where I worked at. So I was put into a couple different counseling roles and just kind of getting to sit across from people and watching, watching them, you know, struggle and grow was really impactful for me in my own life because it made me kind of address things that were going on for myself and it was really empowering for me and I got to learn a lot from the people that I was sitting across from and I view that space

really sacredly because I think it takes a lot of guts for people to show up for therapy and a lot of courage. It's a really anxiety-provoking situation a lot of the times. And even like myself, even going through, you know, quote unquote therapy school, a lot of the times when I would show up to see my therapist, even with that background, you know, I wouldn't have anxiety. So yeah, that's kind of how I got in and that passion sort of developed for me and I really just enjoy it and I feel really blessed and honored that, you know, people trust me to share that space with them.

So the cycle of abuse, there's four different stages to it. Now there's some people that argue out there that there's a lot more complex stages, but for most people, if there's usually four stages, so there's this tension building stage, there's this like acting out stage, a honeymoon or reconciliation phase or stage, and then this calm stage, okay. So in that tension stage, the stress kind of starts to gradually build. The abuser might feel threatened. Maybe they don't think that they're getting the attention that they deserve from you. There's some communication breakdown.

You might start walking on egg shells because you don't want to upset them and then take on this sort of nurturing role that often happens and become maybe very agreeable those types of things. Then there's that acting out a stage where you know any type of the abuse can occur you know the physical sexual emotional financial abuse threats. After that there is what we call the honeymoon stage. So this is where that abuser Apologizes, maybe they beg forgiveness. They say honey, baby sweetheart. I'm never gonna do this again Gifts yes, they may be blame the victim like well, you got me a really upset I don't normally act that way, but like you you really made me mad and and that's why I acted this way or they may be

Deny that like the gaslight. Oh, no no that didn't happen like that like I barely touched you. That's not really what I meant. There's a difference between somebody saying sorry and then taking responsibility to really try to make sure that you know the things that were said that were maybe mean aren't said again right? Let's face it when you're in a relationship with someone that you love, even the best relationships, you're gonna maybe be a knucklehead sometimes and like be short or curt, or say something that you shouldn't say to your partner.

That's different than the abuse that I'm talking about. Okay, we can be abusive to the people that we love, but we take healthy people, that are healthy relationships, take ownership and say, look, I'm really sorry that I said what I said to you I'm gonna really try to work on that or they're gonna come up with a plan like when they're both getting angry like say somebody has a short fuse that we're gonna take a time out so that we don't get to that point where we're calling name calling and stuff like that

so during this honeymoon stage again they could probably be minimizing denying that the abuse even happened and then there's this honeymoon stage again, they could probably be minimizing, denying that the abuse even happened and Then there's this calm stage So the tension will start to build again So that abuse either stops altogether slows down the promises that are made in that previous stage are not met Like you mentioned the gift giving this is where some of the gift giving can happen Like you mentioned, the gift giving. This is where some of the gift giving can happen. The victim might be thinking,

hey, this is not gonna happen again. They said, maybe even point to some progress that they made this kind of thing. But again, it's because it's a cycle. So whatever happens after the calm is then that tension going into that acting out, then the honeymoon, then the calm just goes over and over and over. So that's what we mean when we talk about the cycle of abuse.

I'm assuming that the time between those stages can be very different depending on the relationship. Yes. That could be years. Yes. Totally. Yeah. Every relationship is different. Sometimes it can happen really quickly and again, and then other times it can happen over, you know, like you said, months or years. and this is why this is where sometimes people minimize that, like, oh, you know, it doesn't happen all the time. You know, he just blows up, goes into this rage, it's happened like twice a year, so it's

okay. How can we educate people on leaving as safely as possible and like what partners can they take? So most of the time people don't just leave abusive relationships impulsively. It's something that they're kind of thinking about. You know, if your life is at risk, like that's a completely different story, like get the hell out as fast as you can. But I think there's a lot of value in planning ahead. You know, I think also this might be a good time to talk about like why people stay. I think it's for a number of reasons. They might have some fear that the abuser might hurt them or their kids, and I think that that's for good cause because some of the statistics show that about 70% of the domestic violence that happens after the victims left.

Sometimes that fears about like, what are others gonna think about me who I am? I think some of the other reasons that they stay is that they kind of hope that this person will change. You know, maybe they're like, oh, well this, he only well, this only lashes out a few times a year. I think that says a lot about a person, right? They hope that this person will change. And they love people. You're in a relationship because you love someone. So I think that's another reason why people decide to stay in relationships that are not good for them. They might try to convince themselves or sometimes others. If I can just love him or her enough, you know, they're going to get better. They might even point to progress that their abuser has made or to some of their positive qualities. Maybe

their abuser is a really good provider or successful or they've been dependable. So they ignore maybe some of those red flags or minimize them. It's really invalidating of where, of themselves actually. And especially in the beginning, so they hope for this change, right? And I think that people sometimes put themselves into that rescuer role, believing that they can kind of fix

their abuser. I think that this comes from a good place, but it's it's imbalanced. If there was a person who was struggling with alcohol abuse, they will have to want to make those change. Nobody can force that on them. So you can't love somebody enough to make them change. They have to take responsibility for their own bullshit. So that's the only way forward. And it's not your job to to fix somebody else or even to hang in there because of the other good qualities. If you're being abused or your children are suffering abuse. I think

another reason why people stay in those relationships is maybe they block out some of the abuse. This dissociation is a as a big symptom of post-traumatic stress disorder, PTSD. So people, our bodies are really designed to protect ourselves so we can block out a lot to kind of get through things. Another really great thing to remember is when you get together with someone, your reward system in your brain is being targeted. So it's kind of like with drugs and alcohol, again, borrowing from that, like dopamine firing. So, you know, we call that that honeymoon stage where every, you feel like, oh, this person's amazing. They're whining. They're

dining. We have everything in common, right? So when you leave a relationship, that same part of your brain gets reactivated to try to keep you there. So this is why people maybe try to leave and then come back and try to leave and come back because your brain is really trying to make that happen. Can you walk me through what a safety plan is and what that entails? There's a really great interactive safety plan tool on loveisrespect.org. So it will help you prepare. And I really like it because it asks you all the questions and you just go through each page and fill it in. But a safety plan is really about the when, the where, the what, the who and the how. So the when would be, you know, when is the best time to leave? Is it going to be when

your partner is not there? Is it going to be in the middle of the night? Is it going to be when they're out of town? You know, these types of things. Where, you know, where are you going to go? Are you going to go to a shelter? Is there a family or a friend that you're you're going to go to when you leave? What do I need to bring with me? Well, the really important things would be, you know, if there's any medicines that you need for you or your your kiddos, you know, birth certificates, passport, immigration papers, anything that's really important for you to have that you're not going to have to go back. Because once you leave, it's a radio silence. You know, if you've decided I need to leave this relationship, block them on social media, change all your passwords, do not contact them for whatever reason. The who, who's gonna be there to support you?

Who are you gonna tell about your plan, these types of things, and then how, are you going to get in your car and go somewhere? Are you gonna have somebody pick you up? These are the types of things that you're gonna find out when you create a safety plan. It's actually about kind of helping you cope ahead, because you're going to be running on that fighter flight mode, and it'll be hard to shoot from the hip when you're in that state. So having this kind of thought out ahead of time can actually have

this an anxiolytic effect, meaning reduce some of your anxiety about a situation that's going to produce anxiety and help you really prepare on what to do next. This is where it's good to first like reconnect with your community or reestablish. I think that this is often one of the most crucial first steps because abusers usually try to isolate you from friends and family. And maybe there's a fear that's getting in the way of you reaching out to some of those people. But most of the time, they want to hear and are happy to hear from you. Because you're gonna need this kind of positive support and these people in your corner when you're thinking about leaving. So be honest with the people who have loved you.

Been there for you, like, you know, your best and worst about what's been going on. Abusers try to convince you, hey, I'm all you've got. Like, without me, your life's gonna be shit. You know, you're not gonna find anyone better than me. Your friends and family don't really love you the way that I do. So, get connected to your friends and family to maybe groups. How do you think we can do better as a community to support those that are in abusive relationships?

So, when you decide, hey, I need to get out of this relationship. This person is abusive. This is not good for my own health, mental health, my kids, that kind of thing. That's a very empowered choice. But choosing to leave an abuser is not about whether a person is strong enough or not. There are plenty of strong people that end up suffering from abuse. And this kind of talk and thinking, the whole like it's, well, it's their choice to say, bullshit, really puts the blame on the victim and is really invalidating, can be abusive in and of itself. And it can be actually a major barrier to people leaving abusive relationships, because it inadvertently minimizes the abuse and creates this unnecessary shame and guilt when there's already heaps of it present. So people don't need more of shame and guilt, something that their abuser has worked really hard to produce in them, right, to

keep them around. Before and after you leave, maybe even especially after, it's really important to be compassionate with yourself. You know, that inner critic, which has most definitely become louder and louder thanks to your abuser, will show up. And it's normal during this time to kind of wonder if you have made the right choice. Lots of people that I've worked with who've suffered abuse tell me things like, did I make all of this up? And am I actually crazy?

Like I've been told over and over? And these kinds of thoughts are to be expected. It's really par for the course. While they're normal, it's best to see them for what they are. And they're those reverberations from living with someone that's abusive. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times, or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed?

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These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wunderly app. Can you talk about what resources are out there in the community that would be little to no cost to people in case they don't have health insurance? The National Domestic Violence Hotline, which you can find at the hotline.org. There's legal resources at women's law.org. You can find shelters on domesticshelters.org. And then if you do a simple kind of Google search around like shelters or

resources for domestic violence near me, lots of stuff will probably populate. If you're looking for a therapist too, sites like Psychology Today or Good Therapy would be a place to find counseling and you can actually search for therapists who may be specialized in abuse and those kinds of things. It might be a good idea for instance to explore some of the legal stuff when you're making that safety plan and planning ahead. Like it's probably a great idea to get a restraining order because it's now a document showing, hey, person has been abusive

and it protects you from them coming around. One of the things that I have heard over and over, the strong feeling that children will be better off with two parents and that that is a reason to stay an abusive relationship because it seems like there is sort of this idea that a divorce would negatively affect children more so than them being around this abusive volatile relationship. Children are very tuned in a lot more than we even think and you

know there's a lot of talk about children being resilient. That's true in one sense but it's also children often lack the language to be able to speak up for themselves. So you don't want to normalize that this is what a relationship a good relationship looks like. Any child is going to be better off with having a parent who loves them and supports them and encourages them a solo parent, then they are going to be having one parent like that and somebody that is extremely abusive. One thing that I've learned is it's important to know that you can like love that person who's abusing you. But it's hard to reconcile, I think, because we sort of want to bucket people

as good or bad or safe or unsafe, and abusers can definitely be both. Absolutely. I think that's a super good point. Drawing from addiction. When you break up with someone that is abusive, it's human nature to kind of look back and try to remember the good times.

But what about this? We had so much fun, right? It's the same thing for people that decide drugs and alcohol are not for me because they create all this havoc in my life. They might have had some really great times using that drug or drinking alcohol, and there might have been some fun times there, right? And it's also created a lot of problems for them. So those things don't have one doesn't have to be true in the other

one false. Your abuser could have some positive qualities that you even admire and they can be an abuse of asshole you should get the hell away from. And I think we have that tendency to sort of have that all or nothing thinking. And that whole idea of like an abuser looks like this. Emotions are really there to protect you. That's why we have them. People like label, oh, this is a good emotion and this is the bad emotion. Like being angry is, you know, bad and being happy

is good and life's all about being happy. But think about this. If you were a zebra and you were strolling on down to that watering hole and tasting it, it's a hot day, you're getting a cool drink of water. And as you're getting that drink of water, through the air, you smell a lion. The emotion that you're going to feel most likely is fear. And fear is going to motivate you to take action.

You're going to get the hell out of there as fast as you can. It's important that you increase your ability to listen and observe what your emotions are trying to say before trying to get rid of them so quickly. They're there to protect you. If you have a friend that you suspect is in an abusive relationship, what can we do if we're feeling that way about somebody we know? Like how can we support them as a friend? How could we broach that topic with them? That's a really great question and it's it's it's a delicate dance too. I think it's about the the way that you approach it Like hey, this is what you need to do your life like this person's terrible for you

They're probably going to shut down. And again, the abuser has worked to isolate them and give them this idea like, families whacked, your friends are whacked. You can't trust them. It's being there for someone and just saying like, you know, hey, I don't know if anything's going on or not. Like, I love you and care about you. And I noticed a couple things like this or that. You know, I could be totally reading it, but I just thought I'd ask.

And if nothing's going on great, and if it is, I'll be here to support you in any way I can. Making yourself an ally, which can be a hard thing to do sometimes when you see that person that you love being with somebody that doesn't treat them the way you think that that person should be treated. And you can always normalize it, meaning like you can say like, hey, I might not say this right or I don't even know how to talk to you about this. I'm just concerned about you and

I'm going to be there for you and this person. What are the things to look for when you have maybe left an abusive relationship and now you are thinking that you're in the right place where you want to start looking for a partner? In AA, alcoholics and otomus, they have this general rule of which I think that there's some wisdom in like, hey, when you're first getting sober, probably not the best time to get into a relationship. Weird! the best time to get into a relationship. Weird. And I think that too. It's not impossible. Sometimes it can be a really great thing. You know, I'm not a letter of the law guy, you know, a spirit of the law. I think there's things that are wise to listen to and pay attention to.

But you want to give your time space to get connected to you. You have been in a relationship where you told that you're told either directly or indirectly that you're not important directly or indirectly that you're not important and your thoughts and feelings are not important and what you think is, you know, it's just because you're too sensitive or too crazy or whatever it is or bullshit. So you need to get to the space where you feel like you know who you are again. And also, if you don't, don't make it mean too much. You have to accept where you're at.

That's the only way to move forward. It might be the space that you want to be in, right? But it's where you're at. And then you can make more steps going forward. So I would say, learn what it feels like to be alone. Be alone with yourself before you jump into a relationship again. And then take it slow. Watch. Listen. Observe. Play. jump into a relationship again and then take it slow. Watch, listen, observe, play. Don't

be dropping all your intimate knowledge about your history with somebody on the first date. Again, why I'm saying to give people, give yourself space too is because when you can get reconnected to your gut and listen to your intuition, you're going to be able to be more of a curious observer when maybe you notice something that is a red flag or when it's not really a red flag, your past is showing up. Still great to observe and listen and try to watch and see what it is. That will be easier if you know that you can trust your gut again. If you could speak to somebody who's listening to this

and maybe they're debating, leaving an abusive relationship, I'll ask you thoughts on like the advice you would give them in making the decision. If you think that you're an abusive relationship, it's probably 99% chance that you're in one. And then also, you're going to be anxious. You're going to be scared. You're going to be depressed. You're going to be scared. You're going to be depressed.

You're gonna have like a lot of competing emotions about this and that's okay And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't listen to that gut. It's it's not gonna be something you're completely comfortable with doing. We often like wait, we try to think like what's the right time? How far can I push myself? Right. I again, I think it's good to have a plan about how you're gonna do it because that will increase the likelihood that you're gonna do it But your emotions are gonna be all over the place And you're gonna be running on adrenaline don't wait for you to feel the right way

Get support if you think that you're in an abusive relationship, educate yourself, go get support if you can. Like I said, don't wait until after Start now with getting some of that the support that you need to like put people in your corner again. That should be the first step Reconnecting with your community. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah So you're gonna be at the live event. Yeah. How are you having that? Are you excited? I am excited and terrified. But I think it'll be a, it'll be a, it'll be a, I'm a one-on-one guy. Yeah. Which is why I'm a therapist. But I just wanted to throw it out there to listeners that you're

going to be there. And if they have questions, they can pre-submit questions. And even those who aren't able to attend the event so that we can just put you on the spot and make you really uncomfortable, right? Sounds good. Sounds great. Where can people find you? Yeah, so if people want to get connected with me, you can go to www.holwellnesstherapy.com and you can learn more about me there. There's also some articles on, you know, anxiety, depression, addiction, and also has links to my social media. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. I am so excited to announce that we will be having our first ever something was wrong live. so excited to announce that we will be having our first ever something was wrong live.

This will be a podcast recording and meet and greet in Sacramento. This will be an intimate live podcast recording giving a behind-the-scenes look, Q&A, and discussion of all things something was wrong. Sarah, Alyssa, and myself will take the stage alongside a panel of experts in the fields of abuse and mental health. We couldn't be more excited and we hope to see you there. So grab your weird podcast friend and join us at B Street Theatre in Midtown Sacramento. On Saturday, August 24th from 7-9 pm, head to somethingwaswrong.com slash events. Something was wrong is written, recorded, edited, and produced by me, Tiffany

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