Something Was Wrong - S14 E11: Being Soft is Hard as F*ck

Episode Date: December 29, 2022

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Season 14 covers a variety of mature topics that can be upsetting, such as emotional, physical, and sexual violence. Content warnings for each episode and resources for survivors can be found in the episode notes. The podcast or any linked materials should not be construed as medical advice, nor is the information a substitute for professional medical expertise or treatment. Thank you so much for listening. After the Jake Instagram page was getting a lot of attention and obviously he was not happy about its existence. My five year restraining order for Ivy was coming up to the five year mark. I started to feel like, oh man, I've not lived in fear of him for a while because he's

been out of our lives and there's been no contact, but there had been no contacts because there had been a five-year restraining order and a one-year restraining order prior to that. It was almost six years total that there was a restraining order in place. And I've decided I need to find out if I can renew this because I'm really uncomfortable not having that in place. So I contacted the prosecutor's office, they told me where I needed to go and how I needed to do it. So I went in the day before that order was set to expire and filed for a new one and they granted me an emergency

restraining order on IV's behalf and I left with a hearing date for two weeks later. Now, he hasn't attempted to contact me in all of those years. I'm pretty confident that he wants nothing to do with me. He wants nothing to do with Ivy. I go into court. It's now mid-April. The hearing was two weeks later, I go into court, almost sick to my stomach.

We had a group chat going with Kaelin and Sarah and Mimi and they were being so encouraging and they all wished that they could be there with me. My mom went with me because I was petrified that he was gonna show up. Even though I didn't really think that he was gonna show up, there was that chance that he wouldn't show up.

And I don't want to be anywhere near him. Even hearing his voice in person is too much for me. I just can't do it. I get there and I'm feeling pretty good because he's not there. So I'm instantly relieved. He's not there. We get into the courtroom. They start. He's still not there.

But there's also a TV screen with people appearing by Zoom. I can see the names. His name isn't up there. They finally call my name and they inform me he's hired a lawyer and the lawyer speaks and explains that she's filed a declaration on his behalf and wasn't sure if it had been filed properly. And the judge said that she did not receive it and had no record of it. So the lawyer asked the judge, well, can I just email it to you? And the judge looked absolutely flabbergasted by it. And she said to the lawyer on Zoom, I am not going to give you my personal email address. You can go back to the clerk and file it the way that you were supposed to. She apologized to me and said, I'm sorry, because they haven't filed that,

they have to give that to you ahead of time. We're going to have to move you to the end and let everybody else go. So I had to sit there all morning and just, you know, my anxiety, my PTSD was horrendous the whole time. And I'm not prepared, which was so stupid on my behalf, but I really didn't think that he would fight it. I did not understand why he would fight it because he doesn't want anything to do with us. So why would you care? I think he was looking more like on a background check, how bad it would look. I

don't know. That's my only guess is that he doesn't want it to show up as a restraining order. Everybody else goes and they finally call us up. And I get up there and she explains there's going to be opening arguments, closing arguments. And I'm just beside myself because I can hear him on zoom now. He's not appearing with his camera on and the judge even told him I don't like it when people appear in my courtroom via zoom with their cameras turned off because I cannot see your face. It's hard for me to judge credibility when I can't even see you. And he refused to turn it on so she just kind of, okay, fine. And moved forward. She asked me for my opening statement and I literally could not even speak. The anxiety was so bad that I was like,

just unable to get words out. And I finally asked her, is there any way that I can ask for a continuance so I can come back with witnesses. If he's going to challenge this, I want to bring in people that can speak more to his state of mind in the last five years. I haven't had any contact with him, so I can't actually first hand tell you what kind of person he is now, but I know other people that can. His lawyer objected and said, we will not agree to any continuation of this and no witnesses.

We're not doing that. This is a big waste of time. We shouldn't even be here. I did get his declaration and I'll go ahead and read it. I was so floored by all of this. He said, in his declaration, I declare I have had no contact with Melissa or my daughter since the agreed order was entered five years ago. I have no intention to contact either of them

in the future. When my daughter is older, I will be open to the lines of communication being restored if appropriate. Since entry of the underlying order, which was entered by agreement and without a hearing, I successfully completed DV treatment in 2017 and have provided proof. Life has been peaceful overall despite the uncertainty of the pandemic itself. I have been able to focus on my career and help tell important stories through my work as a photojournalist. My passion for photography has been fulfilled through endeavors like this as well as an opportunities to travel the country and internationally.

And then the second page ends with, Petitianar does not have any reason to be afraid of me as she has not had any contact with me for over five years. I live in the city of Seattle about two hours away from her. There is no reason to extend this protection order as it would only serve to restrict my freedom unnecessarily. And it was signed in Seattle Washington, 4-11, 2022. He clearly did not tell his lawyer what the whole story was to begin with because she kept saying in court that I was wasting their time, that this was a total waste of time, that there's no basis for any of this,

because he was trying to go off of the story that, when he tried to file the restraining order against me back in 2015, my lawyer negotiated it into family court and we did an agreed no contact in family court. That's what he's referring to in this. He's acting like there wasn't an actual five-year restraining order. And so she's arguing, this was a no-contact order, it was in family court. There's no reason for any of this.

And the judge interrupted her and said, this was not an agreed upon order. This was a restraining order from a criminal conviction. There was a five year restraining order in place. The judge turned to me and said, is this correct? And I said, yes, and the five year restraining order was going to run out the day before I filed for a new one. I'm just trying to extend it. And the lawyer says, oh, well, then I'm

going to motion to move this to family court because this is a domestic issue. And the judge said, no, it, then I'm going to motion to move this to family court because this is a domestic issue. And the judge said, no, it's not a domestic issue. We're going to continue on denying her motion to dismiss. She talked to Jake and she asked him when it was his turn to make his opening statement. The judge asked him, Mr. Gra Grabbrot, were you charged with a crime in relation to your daughter? And his response was, I don't remember. She said something to the effect of Mr. Grabbrot, did you go to jail for assaulting your daughter?

And then he said yes. I could already tell at that point that the judge was over this whole thing. And he again said, I have no intention to contact her. I want nothing to do with her. Obviously, like, I haven't attempted to contact. Why would she even think that she needed a restraining order? I have it attempted, even once to contact her in five years. At that point, she gave me a chance to make my closing argument.

And my closing argument was yeah He hasn't made an attempt to contact me in five years. He's not lying there But the reason being is there's been a restraining order in affect the entire time there has not been a lapse in it And I absolutely fear for my daughter's safety. I fear for my safety She asked me have there ever been any domestic violence incidents against you with him And I told her there was an incident with my car where he attacked my car with me inside I said that was a Seattle PD case that was ended up being dismissed because we declined to press charges and she said okay

She pretty quickly ruled that There's more than enough evidence that there's been severe domestic violence in all of this. And so she said, I'm gonna go ahead and grant the restraining order for your daughter. She told me that I had proved that there had been domestic violence towards me. And so she added me to the order as well, which was not even what I had gone in for.

I, the original order didn't include me. It was just Ivy. So I was a little bit blown away that she took all of that information and decided that not only is he a danger to your daughter, I think he's a danger to you as well. She gave him the whole spiel of if you contact her or attempt to contact her or even drive by her house or anything along those lines, you know that it will result in you potentially going to jail.

And he literally laughed and said, I would never, obviously, I don't want anything to do with her. And the judge rolled her eyes and said, well, keep it that way. No contact means no contact. And he hung up at that point from the zoom. The whole thing was interesting because he obviously lied to his lawyer because she had no clue. I don't think it was necessarily

her fault but she kind of looked like an idiot and court because she didn't even know the history of what the restraining order was or why it had been issued in the first place. She was going off of whatever bullshit lie. He had told her and ran with that. And obviously it wasn't anywhere near the truth. I think the judge was annoyed by that, but I could see that most likely it was him not being honest with her. So that did not turn out well for him. It was not, I went into court with no documentation,

none of my records, none of my proof without a lawyer. And I won more than what I was even asking for when he had a lawyer. Obviously she didn't perform that great for him, which how could you when your client is lying about everything to you. But it was interesting to me that that's the lawyer that he's hired now.

Good morning, good morning, happy Friday, everyone. Sorry for the voice memo, but my freaking voice to text always is like so atrocious. I don't have any solid updates for you yet, except for that I've been going through all the boxes of evidence, getting things ready for my initial contact with Seattle PD, which I will hopefully be making today. So I've been doing some research on Seattle PD, and in the last two months, actually there's been all these articles

that I saw about how understaffed Seattle PD is, and that the sex crime unit has been specifically understaffed. All this to say do not lose hope because I'm just going to go directly to the media representative then I'll reach out to sex crimes. I don't even know if I'll be able to get somebody on the phone today but I will keep you updated. Depending on whether or not they feel like they want me to bring the evidence up there, whatever, I may either fly or drive to Seattle. Sunday or Monday, it just depends on what takes place. I'll contact the Seattle FBI office or go there in person. So still a lot of balls up in the air, but yeah, I'm excited to get started on this next phase of like getting this fucker. The non-consensual pornography seems like our best bet in the conviction.

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Okay, so what's it all like during a laundry report today? Well, I am a victim advocate and documentarian based in Sacramento, California. I essentially create audio documentaries. And for the past seven months, I've been interviewing and collecting evidence on an individual who is based in Seattle and the crimes were all perpetuated in the Seattle area. And what's their name? What's up with the perpetrator? His name is Jake, J-A-K-E, and his last name is Grav Brot, G-R-A-V-B-R-O-T.

Do we have any identifiers on him? brought. GR-A-V-B-R-O-T. Do we have any identifiers on him? Yes, his birthday is March 28th. I believe he's approximately 42 years old. He is 6'4", 250 pounds, white Latino male with tattoos, head to toe. He's actually was fired some converge meet. Are you in the Seattle area?

No, you've reached the national threat operations center. We do all the intake calls for all of the okay, got you. He's actually was a well-known photographer in the Seattle area, but was fired due to some of the survivors coming forward and putting pressure. And that's how I started to become aware of the story and began interviewing women. So I have boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence and weeks worth of recorded interviews with all the victims. I have a box holder ready to go with all the evidence digitally. What did they do? Well, first he has been convicted of abusing children in Seattle County. He served, he was sentenced to 30 days for hitting a two-year-old with excessive force.

He's admitted to hitting another child. But what I am trying to essentially hold him accountable for is decades long of non-consensual pornography. What we basically have discovered is that he has his entire apartment covered in cameras. He uses dating apps and uses sympathetic stories, lies and manipulation to coerce women to come to his apartment or he takes them on a date, pretends he forgets his wallet, etc. brings them to his apartment, has sex with them, both consensually and non-consensually, and we believe films it. I have testimony from women that he started filming them before asking for consent.

We have at least eight women on record with the non-consensual pornography. We also have domestic violence, documented testimony from multiple victims on that alleging he has done things from pushing, choking to the point of almost losing consciousness. He loves to grab women around their throat. He loves to try to take their phones and tell them they can't call 911. Okay, quick question. Have you contacted, uh, look a long portion about this? I have called Seattle PD so many times. I can't even tell you. I've called Seattle

Department's Media Line left several messages. I've called their sex crimes unit left several messages. No one has made any attempt to call me back. Now I know there's severely understaffed in the news and that's well-documented since June 2020, and allegedly the sex crime unit was impacted the most. I'm hoping that the FBI could be a better solution considering he's using these dating apps, the dating apps don't do anything about it to remove him. So that's why the victims came together and essentially reached out to me and I've been working with them. Okay, are any of these people underage?

The two children that he hit were underage. None of the sex crimes involved any minors that I know of. Okay. Do you have any consent laws in the state of Washington though? Certain states, even if the victim is 18 years old, if the perpetrator is like 10, 20 years older than them, there are certain consent parameters around that, but I don't know that Washington state has those. That would be local law.

We deal mostly with federal. Okay. Now for the children that he hit, he did get a jail for abusing the one. Correct. Yes. He did go to jail for abusing the one he admitted to hitting the other. I'll put you on hold for a second. I'll be right back.

Tiffany. Yes. I think I asked you a couple clarifying questions. Okay. So none of this happened on federal property. The majority of the crimes were perpetrated was in downtown Seattle. Okay. Now, you said that the Seattle Police Department are that their sex crime unit is grossly understaffed. That's just what I read in the news. June of 2022, there's all these articles that came out saying Seattle PD is significantly understaffed and that it's impacting the crime rate, these were legitimate

news sources reporting this. So when I started reaching out to them, I started digging into that a little bit more. And I was like, Oh, well, this might be why I'm not getting a call back because it sounds like that department is the most understaffed. Okay. Did you reach out to the Washington State Police? I did not reach out to the State Police. Would you like their number? Sure. Because from everything that I'm saying that is going to be your best avenue.

Okay. Thank you so much. Now we'll get a document on my end. Like I said, I do believe the Washington State Police is going to be your best avenue. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day.

You too, bye-bye. I can have a great day. You too. Goodbye. For contacting the Washington State Patrol. Hi. Hello. Can you hear me okay? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Melissa's joining. I'm here.

Hi. Oh my god. I don't know if I imagine Sarah's probably working. She had to do a bunch of stuff So I'm an a feller in. Okay. Okay, so I got through to the FBI They basically like took a bunch of high-level information. She put me on hold for a while And then she came back and she said so did any of these crimes happen on federal land? And I was like, no Perhaps they could have the National Park. I was going to say there I was with him on those trips. And then there was somebody else, right? The last one? Yeah, I feel like he had probably a woman on every trip that he took to a National Park. You can't

like saying for sure, but it would not surprise me if she had a woman inside a national park, which would be federal land, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah, okay. I'll circle back to them with that. That's really good thinking. She was like, your best bet, whatever that means, is the Washington State Police. I called the number that she gave me and they don't even have an option to like report a crime on their call line. But I just wanted to call and explain it over the phone because that's easier. Melissa, do you remember who it was? There was somebody that you took on the road trip and he was yelling at her on the car. That's the lady I think. That's what I thought. I thought they went to a national park. Yeah, it was Northern California. And he also went to Joshua Tree, didn't he, with Sarah? He went to a bunch of places with Sarah,

but I don't know that he, like, was a few soves in those places. Worth looking into that, though, especially because it's so documented, too, right? All of his national park stuff. This is Detective Boatish. Yeah, please department, returning your call. Please give me a call back at... stuff. Hi, this is Detective Boatissier. Please determine your call.

Please give me a call back at **** or if it's easier you can send me an email with the information you have. Thank you. September 27, 2022, after receiving this voicemail, I sent over an email which I read at the beginning of the season, including all of the collected evidence, recorded interviews, and timeline of events in a digital storage folder. We had hoped by giving the Seattle PD and FBI this evidence before reaching out to Jake for comment, that we might be able to get a search warrant for his cameras and hard drives. However, weeks went by with the only update being that the evidence was received and passed on to

the detective supervisor, a sergeant in the Seattle PD Sex Crimes Unit. I sent Jake Grav brought the following text message. Hello Jake, my name is Tiffany, I am an advocate and documentarian. For the past seven months I have been collecting testimony, alleging a decade of abuse and crimes perpetuated by you. Before the documentary is released, I'm reaching out to you for written comment or interview. I tried calling you, but your voice mail is full. Thank you.

He has a text to be back or anything, but wait, let me check. He has not. I'm kind of surprised. I'm just delivered and I'm not blocked. I'm actually heading back to the bay this weekend. But I'm gonna bring my recording stuff with me and Casey calls me back. If he's like, what wants to do a actual sit-down interview? If he wants to just call me and yell at me, I'm just gonna record that on the spot, obviously.

Maybe you should ask him if he would like an opportunity to cry for the document. Right. What the fuck do you have to say for yourself? When are you gonna get help, dude? I just want him to like verbally say how Melissa trapped him. Oh my god, please. I like I would love I would love for him to agree to an interview so we could just go line by line. So in this text message here, where you're asking about pregnancy on a toilet seat, an exhibit 27, when you pissed yourself, an exhibit 28, when you pretended that you were hit by a car. I have this stack in front of me of just every person's transcript. It's highlighted and there's those little flag stickers

for everything he's done that's illegal just sitting in front of me so my plan was just be like well where do you want to begin Jake should we start with Kaylyn or do you want to go back further let me know because I've got about two dozen stories here to ask questions about so you just let me know where you want to start. We'll be like oh why are you so weird. Yeah I'll definitely keep you guys updated appreciate you like hopping on. Yeah thank you. Okay. Alright. Thank you.

Talk soon, love y'all. Alright, I'll see you soon. Bye. I love you. Hi, this is my switch, which is Tiffany and Reed. My name is Alia Altaires. I'm an attorney and I represent Jake Graves Rock. And I'm calling a response to your message that you've sent from regarding its documentary that you are putting together. I'm calling to the right to talk to you about that.

If you would please, give me a call back at your convenience. My direct line is ****. And I'm also calling to ask you to please not to untast the shake directly. From here on out, you can deal with myself and my associate Rebecca in regards to any kind of interaction with Jake. lawyer, I sent her a text message saying, Hello, I received your message. Thank you for letting me know that you're again representing Jake. I will submit my questions for Jake for comment to your best email if you can provide it. Thank you.

She responded with her email address and the following week, I sent a 15 page document outlining all of the allegations against Jake for comment. We never received a follow-up response. I again followed up with the Seattle PD on October 24th, 2022, and was told that the sergeant had been sent the digital box file of evidence. What have your thoughts been like the last week or so with the police and the lawyers and all of these developments? I'm curious to hear what it's been like for you. I'm always cautiously optimistic. I feel like I've been waiting for so long, for real accountability. I think we got a little bit of accountability when he went to jail, but it was such a short period of time

that I don't feel like it really was. If that makes sense, it was not enough for what had happened, and that was literally one incident. Compared to all the terrible shit that he's done to people over the years, it's really disheartening to sit and watch somebody get away with that kind of stuff for so long.

I'm really optimistic. The direction all of this is going that maybe we will actually get real true accountability. Not just for the kids, but for all of the women that he's hurt. I'm hoping that obviously everything that you sent over was so incredible and the way that it's laid out. I don't know how you could look at all of that and think, oh yeah, there's no case here. There's just so much. There's so much evidence. There's so many stories. There's so many different victims involved. We don't even know all of them. I'm really anxious to see what happens with all of it. even know all of them. I'm really anxious to see what happens with all of it."

As of the airing of this episode, Thursday, December 22nd, 2022, we have still not received any updates from the Seattle PD or the FBI. To our knowledge, they have not reached out to a single victim to investigate these matters. The last email I sent to the sergeant was on Friday, December 16, 2022. Hello, sergeant, I'm following up as it has been months since I sent over the box folder full of testimony and evidence, and I've heard from the victims that no one has been contacted. Is anything being done in this matter? It's extremely concerning to me that this person

is still walking around without any consequences. Still on dating apps and still endangering women and children. We will be creating a petition that our listeners can sign to help move these matters forward. There are so many victims and they deserve justice. Thank you so much, Tiffany Rees. And friends, we need your help. We've created a petition to try and help bring attention and action to these matters. The direct link to thechange.org petition can be found on our website, somethingwaswrong.com,

and is also linked in today's episode notes. Please, please, please sign and share the petition, the press release, the podcast, it all helps as we continue to seek justice for the survivors. When Tiffany said that she was gonna bring all this to the police, I was hopeful, but not really, like, expecting very much, which is terrible. But I feel like we've been failed by the system so many times

that this was just another thing where I was hoping they would do the right thing and it doesn't feel like they are. I don't know what will happen by the time we get to your episodes. I originally connected with a detective in Seattle. He did respond to my emails very promptly, but then I go in box today

because I had reached out again via email. I'm like, hey, you know, what's up? What's going on here? And he's like, I forwarded the information to my supervisor. Then I go to box today to like share the box with the supervisor, because in my mind, I was like, wait, he can't just send her the box.

Like, I have to send her the box. She can't open it. I go in there, because I was gonna add some stuff to it. And he hasn't even fucking opened it. He hasn't even fucking opened it. He didn't even accept the invitation or fucking open it. I sent it to her.

She opened it right away, the sergeant. So hopefully that means that somebody's gonna give a fuck here at some point. I wish I could say I was surprised. I'm not, I think you're a lot more understanding and empathetic towards their workload and stuff. However, I'm very much on the side of, I don't expect them to do their jobs. They have a poor reputation. I think that the responding to the email and forwarding to the higher ups there is just to save his ass like that he did something,

but he doesn't even care enough clearly to like click in and see anything for him. So I don't think these people care. My fear all along has been if he thinks that he's being investigated, that he'll wipe all those hard drives. And I don't know, are they able to retrieve that? He's obviously possessive over things that he feels are his, but also I think those

videos and pictures are a way they're trophies for one. I absolutely believe that, but it's also a way for him to continue to have control over women, even after they're long gone. It's disgusting. I call my stepdad and my mom. My parents, my parents are just so so amazing and I don't know what I would have done if they didn't help me when I left Jake. I'm so grateful. I think this podcast will be hard for my mom to listen to, but it's also been so nice for her to know the truth and for her to understand it better that it wasn't just me. We all were manipulated. There's so many of us. She's been my greatest support system. If I call my mom at any time, she's there for me and the same goes from Melissa. Like there's never a time where I can't reach out to her and Melissa will give me the shirt off her back.

If I needed something, she would be there. And so it's really cool to have that. I love that. That's amazing. The last piece that I would like to get into is thanking you so much for everything that you have done and all of for everything that you have done and all of the support that you have offered to all of these other women.

The bravery that you have shared, the commitment you have made to providing me with everything I need. You guys have done such an incredible job, helping me understand this story and connecting me with people that are important to it. I don't even know how to thank y'all, like I really don't.

I was trying to figure it out, like when I was talking to Melissa earlier, it feels like anything that I could come up with doesn't seem like quantifiable to how I feel inside, like I don't even have the words yet, I guess. I feel the same, like I said, it's not over. It also doesn't feel like it's done yet. I have a very deep sense of this is not, I'm sure there's going to be so much that's going to happen in the next few months.

Right, but I feel like I gain friendship in you. You've been very candid and kind and we laugh a lot. Obviously, the listeners aren't going to hear us laughing all the time because most of that is done off the record. Before each session, we talk for like, I don't know, probably like an hour before we even start and usually. And this is what my fifth session, fourth or fifth, it's so nice to be able to talk to you. And I feel like you're giving me a gift to release it and to kind of like let this stuff go. And I've told Jake before, I forgive him for all the things that he did to me.

Like, I can't hold on to that. I don't want to hold on to it. It's a little harder to forgive him for the stuff that he's done to Emerson. But like, the stuff with me, like, it's been a long time and I've dealt with it a lot and talked about it a lot Sometimes it feels like I was like that's a whole nother person that that happened to it wasn't me It's so nice to be able to put it out there and to have you do it because I know that you know that I listen to the show and that I've listened to every episode I'd always tell Melissa all the time like we need to go on the show and that I've listened to every episode. I always tell Melissa all the time, like, we need to go on the show. We need to write her and tell her. It is just one of those things where I'm so glad it's you.

Yeah, I'm so glad it's you. Thank you. Me too. I'm so honored. Like, I'm fucking crying again. Ugh, I'm so glad it's me. I feel like all the stars have aligned and everything has just like, I'm so glad it's me. I feel like all the stars have aligned, and everything has just like, I mean, this entire movement that y'all have began

just by simply loving one another and supporting one another has led to all of this. Like, that is so fucking magical. Yeah. I was talking to Kaelin the other day, and we were laughing, and that so much has happened, and this just in 2022, we were joking. Can you believe, like a year ago, if we would have told each other, this is where we would

be, we would have just like laughed hysterically, there's just no way. It's been so much that has happened. I feel really honored to be included in this group of women. I think that's really changed the narrative for me, rather than being ashamed. I think there will always be a little bit of shame involved in all of it, but rather than be ashamed of my part in all of this situation now, I'm more feel honored to be included with these other women, Kaelin and Sarah and Mimi, and also the women that we met through the Instagram. I've been so impacted by their stories

and how brave they all are, and even watching some of the other women that shared their stories and then became friends with some of the other victims that shared their stories also, and they've created these friendships like what Kaelin and I have, where they've helped each other through it and helped each other process it and answered questions for each other and really

just become friends and it's so inspiring to me. I'm so thankful to be a part of it. I'm thankful that Sarah and Mimi were brave enough to create that Instagram in the first place and to were brave enough to create that Instagram in the first place and to start it off the way that they did and then to invite Kaelin and I to share our stories and to help move it forward the way that it did. I don't think that any of us had any idea that it would take off the way that it did or that it would become what it became. It makes me sad that there are so many victims, but also thankful that they have a place to come, to talk, that they have a platform to share on. That was really important, that was really

inspiring through all of it. My hope with being on the podcast is the same hope that I had in sharing my story on the Instagram, trying to do my little part and hopefully stopping Jake's cycle of abuse in the future. That's such an isolating place to live. It's so incredibly isolating and confusing and shameful. I just hope that it resonates with someone that it helps answer someone's questions. I wish that I would have had a platform like this back then. Thank you so much. I don't even know how to like thank you properly for everything that you've given and everything

that you've shared and all of your bravery and time. Everybody who has contributed this season has given so much towards this effort. It is so incredibly moving to me. And I just cannot thank you enough for trusting me. I feel very deeply connected to all of you. I now feel like I get to be a part of the community that you guys have created. And it's such a beautiful place and I feel honored to be witness to this experience. Well, thank you. I can speak for everyone when I say that giving us a platform to share our stories when you've been shut down so often and told you're lying or nobody believes you to finally have a platform

to share your story and to take your power back. Not just for me, but for all of the other women that are sharing in this season. I can't thank you enough for your support and your friendship and helping us through this process. Even things that aren't necessarily included on the podcast, I'm so thankful to you and I'm so thankful that you came into our lives. And I completely agree with the friendship aspect of it. You are definitely a part of our group at this point. And everybody just talks so highly of you and what you've added to their experiences and how easy you've made it on all of them to share their stories and how easy you are to talk to and share with. It's made this whole process so much easier that I just can't thank you enough for everything that you've done for all of us.

I'm crying again, fuck! It's just such an honor and like this whole experience. I'm getting sentimental, brapping up. I was curious what it's been like for you so far with the podcast coming out and your beautiful artwork. I think it's been awesome. Reality really set in when people started sharing the artwork, like just realizing the scale of it. I've also conveniently stayed overwhelmed and busy, so I maybe didn't have to like process the fact

that we were doing this on what scale we were doing this. I didn't start coming to reality with it until the artwork dropped really and then the trailer dropped and then hearing it all together and hearing the feedback. It feels awesome to be validated and supported in this way, to like unified with so many awesome people.

I feel like this was such a big thing for all of us on our healing journey. It's less about Jake at the end of the day and more about what we're doing to be heard, to be validated in this kind of way. And that was kind of the point of showing our faces and doing things so different this time around with you, like taking our narrative back.

The humanizing of each of the victims and in turn the listeners who maybe are relating to some of these experiences, which unfortunately, like, is a high number from what I've read. I don't wish this experience on anybody. I hope that they don't have to understand where we're coming from in these ways and that they get to just listen to this and be warned for anything that could come their way, but for the majority of people who have unfortunately hadn't experienced like this, it's great to see how validating it is for them. And I hope that it only has positive effects in their life and decisions moving forward

in their own relationships and healing process. It's such a wild ride. I really think it's so incredible what has all transpired. When you started that Instagram page, could you ever have imagined that it would have led to all of this? Not at all, I hope that best. It would help one other person. If it had helped one person,

I would have been happy with that. Or when women started coming forward, I'd give it, ended there, and gave them some sort of solidarity, and made them feel like they weren't the crazy ones in all of this. That would have been enough for me, but to see like it gained this kind of traction, I'm just so grateful.

Me too. And I'm so thankful to you for everything that you've done and all of the energy and time you've given to me for being so vulnerable and sharing so much. J.K.E. targeted incredibly wonderful, empathetic, badass women who are coming together now. It's such a beautiful thing. I love you too. I'm incredibly sorry for what you experienced and what you've been through. I admire so much your bravery in setting this all on fire.

You sparked this flame that has grown into this massive thing. You started this to help one person and you're gonna end up helping millions of people. Thank you so much. That means so much for me. Something I was thinking like while you're saying that he targeted all these empathetic and beautiful, strong, whatever,

it's honestly that sentiment has allowed me like reframe. I feel like empathy has been the weakness of mine. There's so many things that we all have in common other than this trauma that made us right for the picking like he targeted us specifically. It seems like that level of empathy or empathy without boundaries is harmful to yourself. But this whole experience has allowed me to really reframe that and allow it to see like that's my superpower That's like all of our superpower the fact that we're able to empathize with maybe someone who doesn't deserve it

But also like each other and show the strength in that that was a game changer right there Yeah, what I have come to learn is that being soft is hard as fuck because being vulnerable is hard as fuck Like you have to have so much confidence in that. Like people try to minimize you and make you feel like you're fucking weak. No, actually, I'm fucking strong. Hell yeah. Being soft is hardcore. That's right. We're cool. I'm gonna let her that and we're all gonna have to do that. That's good too. Please stop this hardcore. I love that. It takes so much courage and bravery to put it all out there. Thank you so much.

I love you. I am incredibly honored to have been trusted by the survivors this season to share their stories. And I'm grateful beyond words to each of them for participating in further bravery and energy and vulnerability. Kaylyn, Carly, Julie, Melissa, Mimi, Sarah, Maria, Kit, Clementine, Carrie, and Violet.

Thank you so, so much. I'd also like to thank all of our allies to these survivors that spoke with me this season both on and off the record. And my teammates are incredibly talented audio designer Becca and our social media and community manager Lily. Thank you friends for listening, supporting and sharing this season. Next week the audio from our live Q&A event will be in your feed, and the following week Becca, Lilianye, we're taking a week off, then we'll be back with season 15, beginning

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