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You don't know anybody until you don't I had booked a job in Seattle in November and that one was kind of gut-wrenching because
I was like, this would have worked out perfectly if we were still together.
I had really wanted to tell him about that. So we start talking again. I tell him about the job
in Seattle. He's so excited. He's asking if he can see me. I told him that like let's see where
this goes. I was up there with the band. We were recording in the music venue and album and doing
like a live stream because this was the only way people were going to concerts during COVID. So we're planning all of that out. Seattle's on a COVID lockdown though so he starts
expressing like his strong disapproval and righteousness about us coming up there and how messed up it is.
He wants to see me but this is fucked up. We shouldn't be staying all together, all these things,
right? I had made arrangements to stay with the whole crew because I didn't want to miss out there so much to a job and a production that happens in between moments, the bonding
and networking, all that stuff, that I didn't want to go stay with him and then go to work.
I didn't want to have to explain that I was dating someone that they knew again in that
area. So all of that led me to say, I'm gonna keep this again very separate.
I'm gonna protect my job, my relationships over in this world,
and I'm gonna go to Seattle, but I'm gonna do it my way.
I'm gonna be with them.
And then I'll block out a couple days
towards the end, and I'll stay with him
once we're all done and wrapped.
So that's what I did.
He wasn't extremely thrilled with that.
While I was there, he was throwing fits every once in a while.
Wanted to come by the venue to see me, and again, I was just being extremely protective.
Now that I look back in hindsight, I behaved and reacted in ways that knew.
I was guarded still. I wanted to believe the good. I still approach things with caution,
because I knew that he would probably show me his true colors again, and I wasn't 100%.
Like, I wouldn't have that money money that it still would have worked out.
I had a great time at Seattle. I end up spending Thanksgiving with him.
He's running all over the city texting me, can I get you anything? I want you to feel super comfortable
while you're here. I'm going to go get you all these bad things at this time. I breathe down
the tinder and I start swiping in the Seattle area.
I thought it would be interesting to see if he came up.
This was my only opportunity to know,
hey, are you like being true?
Are you being serious?
What I've seen from your Instagram and making it appear
is that you're available when you're not.
I'm not posting him either.
One, I'm not actively using social media,
but I'm not posting him because of reasons I've stayed
before like I like to be private. That doesn't give someone license to
be shady and I feel like he probably is responding to women in his DMs maybe
is on dating apps. So I go and I look and I don't spend too much time doing this
because that's just like a lot of energy I didn't want to spend in that way. I
ended up closing out of that completely forgetting about it when I don't find him.
Fast word to the time that I'm spending with him at his house. We had a decent time. He
went and showed me a bunch of really beautiful hikes and places that he likes to
go. It seems almost like everywhere that we've been, he has a story or like an
emotional tie to it or this is where me and my ex did blah blah blah. It never
felt like he was really 100% there with me.
That made me sad. It felt like we're always being haunted by the ghosts of relationships past.
And that maybe I'm a stand-in for the women that he's lost. I was trying to give him
space to process and mourn and heal. I feel like if you suppress those emotions or you push him
down, you never deal with them. And then you have to deal with them later.
He appeared as this man who hadn't dealt with a lot of his shit.
And here is his first time being out of the marriage and technically the loan.
We're in a long distance relationship.
This is the first time he's lived alone and had this much space to sit with a lot of
these things, which he made note to over and over again that Mimi rushed a lot of their relationship that he had no time
in between things to process or mourn his first marriage or the loss of his relationships with his
daughter. I was like, wow, that sounds pretty awful. You need to deal with your shit.
There's no point of us continuing our relationship. If you're not processing all your past trauma,
you're going to repeat things. I thought it was very much for the best that he sits with those things.
It felt unfortunate to me that it would often be when I'm with him,
but I was guilty at this time of putting other people's needs and comfort
and all of that before my own.
The first time he asked to film was in San Francisco.
He was extremely pushy about it.
The camera wasn't even with us. It was in the
car that was parked up the street. We were already hooking up when he's like, I need to go get my camera,
I need to go get my camera. Please, it was extremely pushy and I eventually like caved for him to go
get the camera. That was the first time after that. When I was in Seattle, he had actually already had
the cameras installed in his house. I didn't
really think anything of it because when we broke up after Santa Cruz, he got two cats. He threw
himself into like being a cat dad, which I've interpreted as his way of dealing with our breakup.
When we finally spoke again, he was like, I've just been here playing with the cats. So like,
it was comforted by the idea of,
okay, he's not out there rebounding
or like finding someone else or anything like that.
He's just doing his thing and playing with these cats.
And social media had posted that he got these cameras
to care for them, to check in on them
while he was at work each day.
And I was like, okay, I know other people who do that
his apartment's extremely small.
There's only like two real rooms, the living room
that's connected to the kitchen and then the bedroom. There's only like two real rooms, the living room that's connected
to the kitchen and then the bedroom, so you just have two. And I honestly didn't give it too much
thought. I didn't even think about it while I was staying there because he often recorded with his
actual camera. So it didn't even occur to me that times where he didn't take the camera out when
we were in his bed that he was still technically always recording. You can go back and pull that footage up to like two hours later, which makes me
extremely uncomfortable knowing that even though I consented at times, there were times that I was
still being recorded and never knew about it. I don't have a way of proving it, I probably will
never know, but a thought of the times where I didn't consent to that and didn't think I was
being recorded, and I didn't put two that and didn't think I was being recorded.
I didn't put two and two together.
It was definitely in hindsight
and then realizing to that other people
maybe didn't know about the cameras at all.
So none of that sits very well with me at all.
2007 through 2012.
He would get whatever he wanted,
whether or not I said yes or no. As
far as the sexual stuff I would tell him no I don't feel good or no I don't for
X, Y, and Z and he'd be like come on come on come on. He would badger me and push
me and push me and push me until I'd finally be like okay so that you shut up.
Now that I've been able to step away from that, I can see how he's done that, and he continues
to do that. The sexual stuff was really scary for me. Bowie's mom told me that she saw video of us,
which I did not know existed. There would be times where we would be engaging in sexual acts,
and he would be recording when I turned around or something
I can remember one time we were in the bathroom and I was on the counter and he had the camera like behind me
So I couldn't see that he was recording. It's very uncomfortable now to know that he has this
When I left him and came to California, he would send screenshots of videos
of us having sex. And I would say, you need to delete that right now. I do not give you permission
to have this. Delete this. It's disgusting. I don't want you watching that. That's so wrong. And he'd
be like, this is all the porn I watch or all the porn I need or something ridiculous.
And I'm not deleting it, which would enrage me.
Early December, he takes a trip to Arizona
to see his dad.
His dad was having some health issues.
I'm talking to him, I'm home, I'm just doing my own thing.
He ends up getting into an altercation with his mom,
who he was staying with.
I knew that they had had a bit of a rough relationship. She sounded narcissistic.
I have a lot of experience with that and having a difficult relationship with my own mom.
So I felt for him, it also sounded to me like he would go off on her and his extreme anger was alarming.
As he would tell me the story and it would be over things like her not having a cooking pan in her rental house. Really arbitrary things that he
was making into a really big deal. I started understanding like he's overreacting to a lot of
little things, but maybe that's just because he has a lot going on. Maybe he's under the tonnestress
with all this COVID stuff. I was cutting him a lot more slack than I would generally anybody else because of their circumstances.
He has this fight with his mom.
He said he wasn't going to have a place to stay.
He didn't have money to get a hotel that night.
It wasn't that far from where I was living.
He had a rental car.
I was like, if you just want to drive here, you can stay here.
That's fine.
He ends up doing that.
He takes pictures the whole way there.
He's happy again.
He gets to my place for the first time and he stays with me and then we decide to go to Joshua
Tree for the weekend. I paid for Airbnb, we head out there after Joshua Tree. Our next trip and time
that we saw each other was at the end of December, I went up to Seattle for New Year's, it was like
two days probably. I came in to spend New Year's up there. We actually ended up staying in. COVID was still
obviously a concern. One thing stood out, we were walking in like the Pioneer Square area and
someone recognized him. I was a little taken back by his response. This guy comes down and he's like,
oh, hey, the way he's looking at me is the only thing that made me feel
Like something was off. He kept looking at me with these eyes that was just like questioning who I was
Jake never introduced me and I'm not typically one to like step in and be like, hey, I'm his girlfriend or anything
I was trying to respect like I don't know his relationship with this guy
He had been inviting us to come up to his apartment to have a drink. Jake was very adamant.
No, no, no, like we got to go. We're busy.
Trying to get rid of this guy. So we leave.
And after that, his demeanor changed.
I got the feeling that he was hiding something there.
And my gut was telling me like,
I think this guy knows something about Jake that maybe I'm not in on.
I didn't know if he had seen him around with another girl.
That put a little seat of doubt in my head about the truthfulness,
the validity of the things that Jake was telling me at the time.
I come home and we're talking about the next time I'm going to see him and how I want it to be a longer trip and he wants me to come up there for like three or four weeks.
I've never introduced anyone that I've dated to my daughter.
I've never been really willing to bring those two parts of my lives together, but I was
thinking like, if I'm going to be somewhere for longer than just a couple days or it's
not going to coincide with the workshop, I need to discuss this with family, figure out
what my plan is from there, but I need to be sure about someone before I ever do that.
And at this point, I had had enough doubts that I was like, I need to put this to the
test and see if what I'm feeling is right or if I'm way off base here.
So I had them listed the help of a friend.
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I told her, I need to know if this is real
and I need you to slide into his DMs
and see if he takes the bait.
My center is handle, she does that
and he quickly responds.
Everything's on the up and up, it's extremely friendly.
Nothing that I actually have a problem with,
I'm not somebody who thinks that you can't have female friends.
If you can't have a friend outside of your relationship
that is a woman, the problem isn't the woman, it's the fact that you can't have a friend outside of your relationship, that is a woman.
The problem isn't the woman. It's the fact that you can only see women as objects or within
a sexual scope. Like, you don't have respect for actual women. I've reiterated this time and
time again to men that I've dated. She had flit in and said something about, yeah, I'm coming
to Seattle. I see all your pictures. It seems like such a beautiful city. This is my first time there.
Do you have any recommendations? And he was extremely nice and saying like, yeah, you should check this out. And she
had tried to take it a set further. If being like, I don't know if you'd be willing to hang out,
he was playing it safe. There was nothing necessarily wrong. They wouldn't have even been mad if you
hung out and made new friends. I like to make new friends in cities that I go to. She was sending me
the screenshots. We had hopped on a call and I was like, I need something that he can't talk his way out of,
ask him if he has a girlfriend.
Her next message to him was something along the lines
of like, that sounds good.
I wanna make sure I'm not subbing on anyone's toes.
Do you have a girlfriend?
Takes a while to respond to this one
and we were on the phone, sweatin' it out.
He said something like, you're all good.
I live alone.
I was divorced last year. He
mentions his recent divorce. He was lying by a mission. I knew it was something
that he would still try to talk his way out of if confronted with it. His next
response to her was, I admire your boldness. That was it for me. I'd sent him that
message of, I admire your boldness and broke it off. It sent him into like a bit of a
spiral. So this was like our thing of breaking up and getting back together, but I had really felt done at that point. My suspicions were confirmed
for the worst, and this girl felt totally awful, but I was so grateful that she did this for me.
His defense to that was that he thought it was Mimi and that she had done stuff like this in
the past. And as soon as the conversation took the turn, he definitely thought it was Mimi trying
to find any excuse to not give him his stuff back because they had been in contact. And he said that she
had contacted him that same exact day that we did this, and they were making plans to get some of his last
stuff at the house. He would assure me over and over again, that's so darn good. I chose you. That would
bring up some questions of like, what do you mean you chose me?
He's like, well, I chose myself in walking away.
She's, you know, tried to make some passes again
and reconnect at certain points and I chose you.
When my friend messaged him in his DMs,
he had said that the reason why he responded
the way he did was because he thought it was me
me trapping him that checked out that she had contacted him
He was having a swing of emotions and he was processing all that so if he was quiet that day
I had nothing to do with me. I was like okay take the time
I'm here if you need me but all made sense when he was justifying why he responded the way he did
He guilted me and and I ended up apologizing for doing all of this
I was extremely manipulated even though I knew better.
I felt so much guilt.
He was like, you kicked me while I was down.
Like I already told you I was having a hard day.
I was really naive about all of that.
So fast forward, I'm apologizing for trapping him in some way.
He had a trip plan to come already and see me in January.
Towards the end of the month,
then I had told them
call it off. I don't want to see you. And then we would still talk to each other here
and there, said that he was going to come regardless. He was just like, I've already committed
to these plans. I'm making these plans and I'm going. My hope is that you'll join me
and change your mind. Weeks go by and I'm like, okay, I'm not going to see this guy. He's
going to bring some of my stuff that was in Seattle at his place down so you can give it back to me.
And we made plans to meet up once he landed to give me my stuff. We did exactly that. It was an emotional reunion and giving each other our stuff back.
He ended up convincing me to go with him and I was like, okay, it'll be like a goodbye trip. We're not getting back together, but I don't have anything going on this weekend and I'll go with you to death Valley. Bad idea. It was an emotional trip.
And we tried talking about what our plan was going to be moving forward, like where do we
go from here. And the response that I was getting from him was that he wanted to be together,
but he obviously has a lot of work to do and he has to heal and he has to do all this stuff that
I have been telling him for so long. It was such a different response to times in the past when
we had broken up and he had promised the world to try to get
back together. It was always like, I want to be back with you. I would do anything
but I also respect what you're saying this time and I need to probably take a
step back and work on this. There was a change in tone. I accepted that
something is different. Fast forward end of death valley. I paid for the majority of the stuff on that trip again.
And then he goes home to Seattle. He's using me as emotional support still and that was the thing that really rubbed me the wrong way.
We talked about compromising ourselves. I feel like that's probably what I did there.
Like, allowed this person to use me for emotional support. So he would be texting me when he had a hard day
or texting me stuff about the kids.
He had recently come across his first daughter,
Evelyn's Instagram page.
So we were sending me screenshots of this.
Like, I've known this day was coming.
I've always wanted to be in contact with her.
I'm overwhelmed.
What do I do?
She's so beautiful.
All of this stuff.
And I felt like I really needed to support him through it, even though we weren't together. But on the other hand, I felt taken advantage of
completely. And I was angered by it. He would reach out really in opportune times for me. It was
hard for me to like draw the line of what I'm willing to give and what I'm not. Asking what are we
even doing? Are we friends? Is this what friendship is? Because I feel like I'm giving too much here.
The wishy-washiness that I was getting from him, I just had it and decided to reach out to Mimi.
He had posted something that I had seen her in one of the pictures like a photo dump.
And I was like, okay, they're definitely hanging out. I know that much to be true.
He's still talking to me. She probably has no idea about me in any capacity. Whether they're friends
or something more, I'm just going to reach out to her to give her the heads up.
I got off the phone with him, I was frustrated by her conversation and hit send to this message to her saying like,
you don't know me and you probably shouldn't it, but I just want to let you know, I don't know if you and Jake are friends or talking about getting back together.
We're no longer together, but we were seeing each other the last six months, do with that information, what you will, if you have any questions,
here I am.
She responded really openly.
I was really pleasantly surprised
because you're taking a gamble, 50% of the women out there
would be happy that you reached out and open
and wanna communicate.
It could also be taken really poorly.
I was like a little hesitant and anxious about that.
We started chitchatting back and forth
and she asked when we broke up. She's like, yeah, he can't be faithful to save his life. She starts telling me
things. She's like, would it be easier just to get on a call? So we hop on the phone and we start
talking and comparing dates of stuff. This is when I realized that they were not even fully split when
him and I met in Milwaukee. They were still very much working on their marriage. It was a knife in the chest,
like insult to injury. It hurt a lot. And I'm sure that it also hurt her too to find this out,
even though they had from what she had told me, you know, they weren't anything more than friends.
She couldn't trust him to be anything more than her friend at this point, but they had spent
many years together and that they will always have some sort of relationship. They had lived
separately from my understanding,
but they were spending nights at his place
and spending nights at her place and working on it.
And she had even said,
discussing turning the apartment in Pioneer Square
into maybe like a photo studio
on him moving back into the house.
When Mimi and I had gotten on the phone,
he had messaged me like,
say, what did you do?
I spoke to Mimi.
I know you two are talking.
I hope you have fun on your phone call talking about me.
I had not responded to anything I was done.
As her and I were talking, we decided the only way to cut him off is to block him everywhere.
So we shared every social page that we knew he had.
He had multiple Instagrams.
I had blocked his email.
She had shared a few more email addresses that she had at his
and we're both going to do it at the same time. We're both just going to cut them off.
I don't know if she actually blocked everything because they had to discuss things with the divorce.
So I know that there was a line of communication open between them and I just didn't want to talk to him anymore.
The last contact I had ever received from him was conveniently on Valentine's Day, February 14th.
He had emailed me a couple times from other emails that I didn't even know about,
and was just like, I hope you're happy with yourself.
And something stupid about like digging the knife in deeper.
And those came on Valentine's Day.
I was like, okay.
So that was the last I ever heard from him.
I blocked those and spent from February to like, I guess,
March and April, I would say,
were the heavy lifting emotional months, grieving that process. This whole thing, it totally fuck with my brain. So connecting
with Mimi was the first relief that I felt, but it also came with so much grief. It was
overwhelming. I remember laying in my bed depressed for at least two months straight of overwhelming
grief and crying and piecing. When you replay back any period of time in your life and you have a completely different
Perspective on it like this is what actually it was I had to like
rewrite the narrative to everything that I had experienced and see it for what I was being told was now true
Me maybe had also communicated that entire time that we were together
He was in fact pursuing her
He was leaving her things in her mailbox,
going out of his way to be cryptic in his stories and post things about her and their time together
and their wedding and all these things. Yeah, I saw some of it. It made me feel uncomfortable
and weird, but I didn't realize it was a little dance that they did that this was his way
of reaching out. This was him also manipulating her at the same time. I didn't really even
think of the fact
like, oh, she's probably watching. Learning the truth and the fact that it wasn't her final
advance, he was continually pursuing her while we were together. She had sent me screenshots of
a stinder that people had sent her. I got confirmation that he was on dating apps while we were together.
These are all things I think the body knows. It's the reason why I
created a tender count in the first place when I was in Seattle and never looked down and found it.
But I think the body definitely knows and the gut learning how to listen to it that I need to work
on. Her and I stayed in contact. I think everything that her and I discussed was enough that she needed
to finally close that chapter. She finally filed for divorce.
I didn't even know where they were at in that process,
but apparently they hadn't even gotten there.
It would be a few more months before any of that was complete or official.
And that's when we decided we're going to go to Mexico to celebrate when this is all done.
I want to be there to support you.
I don't think I would have gotten through it as easy without her.
Someone that knew the ins and outs of his playbook and had been subject to it before.
My friends were awesome and they listened to me on end and would check in on me.
I just don't think that people understand until they meet someone like this how crazy
it really is.
It was validating to have Mimi there for that and I think too for her having someone to
remind her that this is the right move.
It was extremely beneficial for both of us to have each other during that time. I was really grateful.
She actually had shared with me the truth about his previous marriages and children, stuff that I had gotten completely different stories on.
So that was a part of what I was grieving was like, wow, I thought it was bad, but it's so much worse.
She had sent me a video of Sky Blue emails and like the warnings that she had gotten.
It was just so
much worse and overwhelming than I could have ever processed and imagined meeting
Mimi. I had some general anxiety about it. I hope that it's great when we're in
person. Also like hopefully this isn't uncomfortable. I think it was out of
other people's comfort zones. It kind of fell within my comfort zone. The whole
traveling thing, I'm meeting new people in different cities always. It's
basically how Jake and I came together.
Now it's like how Mimi and I were coming together. I thought it was kind of funny, but like it's something that's definitely within my wheelhouse.
So I was up for it. We met in Mexico. The trip went good. After Mexico, we went back to our lives. She was seeing someone.
So I feel like we didn't communicate as much. We didn't really talk all that much actually for a few months. It was later in the summer, August or September. We
actually started texting again a lot. Brief is not linear. Healing is not a linear
process and there's going to be hard times and there's going to be easier times
and times where you feel like you've made progress and times where you feel like
you've taken 10 steps backwards. It was me who reached out to me when she was
having a hard time and that's
something I've always wanted her to know that I was there for her. I feel like I could reach out
equally like if I was having a hard time. She was having a hard time with something, grieving
parts of their marriage and relationship. We were just going back and forth like yeah,
they wish men came with warning labels. Social media was such a big part of who he was, his obsession
with it in the way and the tool that it was to him to reach women
and to curate this narrative of himself that he sold and banked on so much.
It was such a thing in our relationship. He constantly cheated using social media.
In our conversation about all of this was saying, I wish that the next woman that was looking anything up on a social media or had that gut feeling could
find a page that confirmed their suspicions early on before they were overly invested
or hurt. We went back and forth of how great that would be, saying like, yeah, we can post
all of our stories with him and they'll see that it's kind of all the same. History just
repeats itself, right? She didn't want to do it. One of my love languages is acts of service. I would do more things for my friends and I
would do for myself. I feel like this might be a lot of effort or work and I
probably wouldn't do it if it was just me, but I'll make the Instagram page if it
makes her feel better and she could go and use it for now. It'll be used as a
tool for healing in that way. I went and created an email address to like set up
the Instagram and then shared all the credentials
with her.
It was private.
No one was really supposed to see it at this point.
We were joking about like, oh yeah, people should be able to search this and see that this
man comes with a warning label.
She got right to work posting quotes.
There's a bunch of like over-narsis spacious reposting a bunch of that stuff.
Definitely had the tone of, I'm venting and letting it all out there and I thought it was
surveillance purpose.
Like yeah, let her do her thing. I went and wrote maybe one or two
posts about the financial abuse patterns. After the Instagram and after Melissa and Kaelin had found
out about them, they kind of progressively gets worse and worse. Like when you think you know it just February of 2022, I took Emerson to the orthodontist because she had already had one round of
braces, but we always knew that she'd have to have like a second round. He is supposed to pay
60% of anything medical or anything like that. I've always just paid everything, but when it came
to her braces last time, I was like, I cannot pay for this by myself. So he did pay for 60% of her braces.
I gave him his information. I was like, hey, I told them your phone number, but like I need another
address for the billing form. I knew that he was no longer living with Mimi, and he ignored my text
messages. That night, I messaged him again and I said
they're gonna reach out to you directly
and then he ignored that message.
Then on February 17th, nine days later,
I said, did you talk to them?
Followed by, are you just gonna ignore this?
I'd rather talk to you before going directly
to the prosecutor because right now
all of our child support stuff is with the prosecutor. I would rather have him do the right thing than have to contact the
prosecutor and then tell them that he's not in compliance and that he needs to pay
the 60% of her fourth adonis stuff. Then he responds, I'm at work, please respect
my work hours and leave me alone. I'll talk to the dentist office now. Bye.
That's when I decided to reach out to Mimi because this is not behavior of somebody who's changed.
He's showing me that he is the same person.
I don't know what the hell's going on because I don't live in Seattle anymore.
I I don't live in Seattle anymore. I messaged Mimi through Instagram and was like,
hey, random question, but do you mind telling me
what happened between you and Jake?
Do you think he's changed?
She was like, if this is about him seeing Emerson,
do not allow it, he has not changed.
She's the same person, like you'll have to call me.
So I called her and we talked on the phone.
It was really good to talk to her.
I felt really bad for her because it sounded
a lot of the same things that I lived with him.
That made me really sad for her
because I remember what that was like.
And I remember how confusing it was
and how lonely I felt, I just felt for her.
She shared different stories with me about their relationship
and how things were, and she told me about Sarah
and how she found out about her.
Moral of the story is that he's not changed,
she's the same.
I get off the phone with her,
and I like obviously message Melissa right away,
because I'm like, oh, I just talked to Mimi,
like this is so crazy. Once I was removed from the situation and had moved on and healed and done
several years of therapy, I didn't have bad feelings towards Mimi for anything that had been said or
anything that was done in the past. I felt bad that she was stuck with him for so long because there wasn't any part of me that thought she was
capy. I know who he is and know how miserable of a person he is and how miserable he is to be around.
Jay could spend so much time trying to turn both of us against each other and using her as the
excuse whenever he would abandon Ivy. It was always, well, Mimi made me,
or I didn't have a choice on her side.
As I found out later,
he was using me to make her insecure
and to make her feel threatened constantly.
These are things that you don't know
at the time if you're not communicating to each other.
And he made sure that we didn't like each other.
I sent her a message and said, hey, I talked to Kaelin and she said that you got away from Jake and I just wanted to say
that I'm really happy to hear that and I hope that everything going forward for you is healthy
and you're happy. I don't have any bad feelings towards you for anything that happened and I wish you
the best. And that started our communication. Back and forth, she was really kind to me
and those messages.
About a week after I talked to Mimi,
Kaelin was trying to call me.
I was in an appointment and I couldn't answer
and I called her back as soon as I was out.
She was like, oh my gosh,
there's an Instagram page about Jake.
And I said, what?
And she's like, oh, this is so crazy.
There's stuff about you on here.
And I said, where is this? Where do I see this? What's the name of it? She said, hang on, this is so crazy. There's stuff about you on here. And I said, where is this?
Where do I see this? What's the name of it? She said, hang on, let me send it to you. So she sent it to me
and put each other on speaker and we're like going through and looking at this Instagram page.
I asked her, how did you find out about this? Did you just find this? Or what? And she's like, no,
Mimi told me about it. But it wasn't really clear at that point who created it or where it came from.
It wasn't really clear at that point who created it or where it came from,
but I knew that Mimi had to have had some part in this
because one of the first things that I saw on there
was a statement that Jay could wrote for court.
Under one of the highlight reels,
there was his statement that he wrote about
the harassment order and it was when I challenged it.
He wrote the statement to take back to court.
I'd never seen it before because we didn't actually go back to court. My name was not blocked out
and everything. So it was like really obvious that it was about me, but reading it, I was like,
where did this come from? This had to have come from Mimi because she was the only one that would
have been around during that point.
The caption on it was something along the lines of his version of the truth is
deranged. I thought, oh wow, whoever is posting this knows that this is all lies.
I was like, let me call you back because I'm a little bit mind blown by some of the stuff
that's on here. I'm feeling a lot of different emotions.
We're both reading different things at different times.
Like, oh, did you see this?
And did you see that?
There wasn't a lot of posts on the Instagram.
There was a lot of generic memes about gaslighting
and sociopaths.
There was one meme that said something to the effect
of your man, Crash Monday, owes $50,000 in back child support.
And that one kind of made me laugh.
It was all written very anonymously.
You couldn't really tell who it was coming from.
It was hard to gauge how many people were writing this.
If it was one person or multiple people,
at that point we created a group chat with Mimi,
was Mimi Kaellen and I,
and that's when I found out about Sarah.
And Sarah was portrayed to me as being the person that created the page.
She was Jake's ex-girlfriend.
Mimi had sent us the password and the username and said,
go ahead and log on. You guys can add anything you want.
I don't think either of us even thought twice about it.
We were both like, absolutely, we'll share on there.
My only concern at the very beginning was,
I think I wanna do this anonymously.
I'm not sure I really wanna put my name out there.
I wanna make sure that if I post anything
about the child abuse or the pictures of Ivy's face
I want to make sure they can be done with privacy in mind real names taken out the first few days. I was having a hard time
I wanted to contribute but I really had this mental block of not wanting to log onto that Instagram
So I just kept sending the screenshots and the things that I was finding in my records
and where I had kept Google Photos,
these little things stashed.
I would text them to the group chat,
Mimi would post them.
And then at some point I did log on and started posting.
It wasn't too far into all of that in February
when Sarah is now in our group chat.
And she gets a notification on the Jake Instagram that Jake was actually on the Instagram and had accidentally liked a post.
She got the notification and she's like, oh my gosh, he's on the page right now. What do we do?
Really quickly, she made it private.
And at that point, it was still all anonymous.
It was just bits and pieces.
I had posted a couple screenshots
and Mimi wrote the caption of one of them
and it was one of the screenshots
where he was being really verbally abusive to me
and she wrote the caption.
He was really verbally abusive
to the mother of his youngest daughter,
really disgusting, the stuff that he put her through.
We started sharing our stories anonymously at first, and then we had a couple people
come forward and say, oh, I knew him, and this is what happened with me and him.
As the messages were coming in, I was like, oh, this is way more than I anticipated.
I was not expecting the response that we got.
One thing with Jake is social media is such an issue that you can usually tell which girls
to be suspicious of on his Instagram. Both Mimi and Sarah had lists in their hands of,
okay, these were girls that we were suspicious of
During our relationships, and so they would go follow those girls that those girls would look at the page and be like, oh my gosh
Like this is crazy. I went through this too, and that's how women started reaching out to us
This one girl was still dating him. I believe and she found the Instagram page
She sent the screenshots of her conversation with him
about it, and it was almost comical.
He was like, I can explain everything on that page.
Most of this stuff is from nine years ago.
I was really emotionally fragile and beat down
from a person who entrapped me, which was about me,
because apparently I entrapped him.
I don't know how that works,
but it made me laugh. She at one point told us, he says he's gonna sue you guys, and we were all like,
okay, let's put this all on public record. Go ahead, tell him to bring it, because we all have so
much documentation and so much proof that I'm not scared of being sued at all. I have so much court documents and I kept
receipts for a reason and I still have them. So go ahead Jake, we kept it private and it was maybe
another week or so. People started following the page and we would look at every single person
that requested because we were operating under the assumption
that he was probably trying to create fake accounts
to be able to see what was on there.
Just trying to keep him from seeing as much as possible
for the time being.
The four of us, we got on board,
we were like, okay, we're all gonna post
and we'll share everything that we can.
We went public.
Each of us, we're not going to be anonymous anymore.
We're just going to post about ourselves and our stories
and own it.
And yeah, I know I look bad in certain pieces of my story.
I didn't always respond in the ways that I wish I did.
I wish I would have stood up for myself.
I wish I would have taken Em for myself. I wish I would have
taken Emerson to the hospital when he hit her. I wish I protected her better. I wish I left
sooner. I wish I didn't give him access to her to manipulate her and cause more damage.
There's a lot of things that if I could go back, I would change.
He still gets more awful to the day, like with every story that came forward on that Instagram page and everything that's coming, even just with this podcast, it gets worse and worse.
Like when you think it can't get any worse, it just gets worse. He's truly awful.
I thought, yeah, he's a cheater, yeah, he's a scumbag. But I don't even have the worst.
My heart broke for these women and the stories that they came forward with their experiences.
That's next time on something was wrong.
I can't even imagine how much time and effort would be spent talking to all of those women.
There must have been multiple people a day at that rate.
He slapped me.
He's like, are you sleeping with anyone else right now?
And I was like, no.
He's like, oh, I don't care.
I just want them to see the marks I leave on you.
He is flipping out.
He literally screams in my face
that he didn't have time to be late
because of a careless bitch.
I was going down on him and I looked up,
he had his phone out and he was recording me.
I was just like, what the fuck?
I clandest up, it is rude, and I was like,
is that a camera?
So you got really weird.
You told me that something was going on.
You told me this over and over and over again
that he couldn't tell me what it was because
this lawyer told him not to speak on it.
Thank you so much for listening.
Until next time, stay safe friends.
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