Something Was Wrong - S2 E5: Devastated in the Wake of Your Delusions

Episode Date: September 11, 2019

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She says she has to go have her other overreout at Stanford. Interesting, okay. That's what's happening, that's what's happening. Well, the day she's supposed to be going and getting her overreout, you know, I'm off for the day. And I know Jason's taking her Stanford and then I expect to hear in the next few days how everything's going. Well, my phone rings. And it know Jason's taking her Stanford and then I expect to hear in the next few days how everything's going Well my phone rings and it's Jason and he says

Do you know where Sylvia is and go well, you're supposed to be taking her Stanford. He goes She told me you were taking her to Stanford She told me you were taking her and then right then it was back in the day of call waiting Call waiting big and I was like hang hang on just a second, because work is calling me. And he goes, okay, so I put him on hold. It's the practice manager. And she says, T, something is really wrong. And I don't know what to do.

And I was afraid to call you, but I have to call you. So what's going on? And she goes, so Sylvia was just here. And she looked terrible. She looked drugged out. She was wobbly. And I asked her, I said, hey, I thought you're going to Stanford today.

To, you know, and she goes, I am. And she said, OK. And she goes, do you need a ride? goes, I am. And she goes, okay. And she goes, do you need a ride? Like, what's happening? And she goes, no, no. So the practice manager went back up front to help a client. And when she came back down the hall,

she saw her Sylvia, closing her purse, and then walking out the door. What she was doing at the hospital, we don't know, but something was wrong. She said, I'm not sure what's happening, but something is really wrong. I think we all suspected that she was taking medical supplies. She was where the scoppels and syringes and suture were. The medications

are locked up in a cupboard. You can't really get those, but basic supplies, you can access, anyone could access, that works there, but medications are locked in a cupboard. So you couldn't get those, and she didn't look right too. So I clicked back over on the call waiting to Jason and I tell him what's happened and he goes, what the fuck is going on? I said I have no idea, but my stomach hurt like instantly and I go, what do you think's happening? And he goes, I really don't know. And then I got to home with him and I called my hospital back and I saw he thinks going on. I meant we're all like something is wrong. Two hours later I get a phone call. It's the young gal that lives next door to her and she says, Sylvia just called me. She's at

a hospital in town. She's asked me to pick her up. She said that she had her overermove and that she was AMA, which is against medical advice Signing a waiver because she wants to go home And I go you can't go home after you have your over removed. That's just dumb and she said I know But that's what she's doing and she goes, I think something is wrong Yeah, I think something is wrong too. So I tell her what's going on What's happened in the morning time? All we know is like fireballs are going off in all of our heads, but nobody can figure out what's happening.

Okay, I want you to know that. Nobody, we still have no idea. This is such a strange thing. Like we're still all just like standing on the other mouth, so I've been like trying to figure out what the hell could be going on. Well, we find out what the hell's going on. And let me tell you something. We could not have joined what was going on. Well, we find out what the hell's going on. And let me tell you something.

We could not have dreamed what was going on. We could never in a million years have believed what's going on. The young gal calls me and she said, um, are you sitting down? I said, what the hell's going on? Please tell me what's happening. I am sick and she said it went to pick her up.

She was in the waiting room in a wheelchair. She looked like hell. She said I was furious. Like how can they be releasing this woman? She said I willed her to my car and I picked her up and I put her in my front seat. And as I was turning to go, so he said, where are you going? Where are you going? I told him, taking the wheelchair back, it's not your wheelchair, it's the hospital who told him, okay, so she rolls the wheelchair into the emergency room entrance and she said, how on earth are you guys discharging this person who can barely walk, who looks like she is going to die right now. How can you release her? I mean, she was furious with the nurse. She was furious.

And the nurse goes, she wasn't here for over your removal. She was got fluids. So at this point, now the fireballs are going off and this gal is head too. She drives her home. She puts her in the bed and then Sylvia gets out of the bed, and she goes, I have to go the bathroom. She's in there like 15, 20 minutes, and she comes out, and when she's crawling back into the bed, the friend notices because her shirt comes up, right? So she's getting in the bed, crawling into bed, and her t-shirt rises up. And she sees a bandage that was not there when she picked her up because she

knows because she helped her in the car. So she, the shirt rose then too. So she knew that wasn't there. So she confronted her and she said, what the hell is going on? What is going on? And right then in there, Sylvia said, Solbin and Ly, I don't have cancer. I just cut myself open and sewed myself back up so that you guys would think I had my over-renewed. She said, I'm not sick and I started telling a lie and I didn't know how to stop and it's out of control and I don't in what's you. Yeah.

It was just unfathomable to me that someone could do this and I was just, I mean, I remember being angry and sad and shocked and I just, I didn't even know how to process it. I think it was just like incomplete shock. I had never ever heard of anything like this happening before. My mom's my best friend so it's just hard to see someone you love go through such heartbreak and loss. you love go through such heartbreak and loss. Blown away, I felt sad for T, because she loved so many like a daughter to care her. She was educated enough to know what she was doing and how to present it to everybody.

We found out that the reason somebody dropped her off and somebody picked her up because she really wasn't going in and getting treatments done. But she'd go into the bathroom stall and cut herself on her shabber head or those guy things go, but I'd right, come blow you away. Then after Sylvia fell asleep, she called me the neighbor. And I said, okay, we need to call her mom.

We need to get her mom here. And we did. She said it's gonna take me a day and I have to get there. She think Canada. She couldn't leave till the next morning. She said you have to act like nothing is wrong until I get there. And I'll take her to the hospital and we'll 5150 here and we'll go from there. Okay. Did the neighbor girl swear to secrecy? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. She was like, please don't, yeah, absolutely. And the girl convinced her that I'm going. Yeah, I'm on your side. It's gonna be okay. So I have to keep with the routine, right? It was my day in the next day. So as you can imagine, I was up all night long, stomach upset, talking to all the people at my place of work, talking to my husband. I go over the next day, I walk in the front door and it smells like a weed factory, just

gone, yeah, like. So I walk in and I was like, oh, just gone job like so I walk in I was like oh god I mean I cannot tell you how much weed had been smoked for that house to be like that and I look in on her and she's passed out well I would assume so because she clearly had smoked her brains out probably stressed out right I just did what I was supposed to do that day I came in I cleaned I left her note saying I was there and I taped it to do that day. I came in, I cleaned, I left her a note saying I was there and I taped it to the bedpost, but she'd ever woke up or she didn't,

she used to act like she was awake. And I'm really grateful for that. And then I walked out that door and I never saw her again. Her mom came, they told her they were taking her to the hospital because she was running a fever or something like that. They convinced her to go to the emergency room and then they 501 picked her. But this girl is so smart and so convincing and so compelling that she was out in 48 hours. She did not even get the 72 hour hold.

She was out. And I talked to her mom and her sister were both there. And I went to the mental hospital and I talked to the mom and the sister that day. And we were all just kind of like in support of one another like this is but you have to remember she's sick. And we were all kind had that mentality, like she's really sick, something, you know, this was terribly wrong. How did this happen? Was nothing true? We're not even positive, is nothing true?

Did she have nothing like? Well, it turned out she did not have cancer. It turned out that she had cut herself open for all those procedures and sold herself back up. It turned out that she had cut herself open for all those procedures and sold herself back up It turned out that she was she had injections that she was giving herself at home and then asking other people together Injections and to her stomach or saline which is water None of it was true She wasn't sick. She didn't have cancer

She was not getting chem. She was not getting chemo. She was not getting radiation. She had an unhyp brain surgery. She didn't need a wheelchair. She was mentally ill. Do you think her son was actually sick? No. I think she was doing my child's unbi-proxy. I do. I absolutely do. Do you think she was making him sick? Yep. Mm-hmm, I sure do. I think she was, if you give somebody medications,

it can cause seizures, because that's what she did to herself. She did have a seizure. I was there. I saw her have a seizure, but she made herself have a seizure with medications. She's lucky she didn't kill herself. So I believe that she was giving her son medications that made him sick. She also probably never had wasniotic virus. Correct. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Precognizies that failed. No, just probably the one abortion. That was that I went there for the rest of the world. And you do believe she actually was having an abortion? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, she told me she was pregnant all those times

and then lost the baby. I think that was all lies for attention. There were several times in this time period where she was sexually promiscuous. And I doing research that's part of the illness as well. I knew about those, I was actually probably supportive. Go, you're nine, you go, you go, you have fun, bro! What was the response like of the doctor and your co-workers? Better shock and hurt, betrayal, but I would say stroke number one all of us.

That day we found out I go to bed early, I always do. Go to bed at eight o'clock and yeah, when he called me at 10.30 because he couldn't sleep. The doctor, I knew. I was like, yeah, I can't sleep. I cannot fathom this. And of course my instant thing was how could she do this to me? How could she hurt me? How could she this to me? How could she hurt me? How could she lie to me? How could she betray me?

Like, you know, when you're taking care of someone to that extent and you're bathing them and you're cooking for them and you're caring for their children and you are sacrificing your family for her. This went on the whole time span. I'd say from beginning to end, it was like almost four years

And can tell your children you're sick telling your children that you're dying look my or your children need therapy So she's 51 50 but not really not really yeah, and did she have no contacts with you? Within the first week of finding out doc and I got the same email. I had saved it for many years and it got lost. I had saved some things and some things he saved so we're able to put together but the email that we got said something like I know I'd lied and betrayed you. I have come to find out that I never had cancer, that I never had all the treatments, that I had a cancerous mass, or I had a cancerous spot in my ovary in 2001 or 2000,

and it was removed on an outpatient basis and I never had cancer. I want you to believe that, and I remember this email very vividly, so it was pretty gosh, I'm close to reading it to you. I really believed that all of my treatments at Stanford were true.

I can picture myself laying on the steel pole table. I can picture myself getting painful procedures. I thought that I did have chemo and radiation. I know that I have betrayed a mytule. You know, probably never be able to forgive me. I hope someday that you can. I'm still learning that what I have

is called fictitious disorder. And I'm going to get help for it was the crux of the letter. The Mayo Clinic defines fictitious disorder as a serious mental disorder in which someone deceives others by appearing sick, by purposefully getting sick, or by self-injury. Fictitious disorder can also happen when family members or caregivers falsely present others such as children as being ill, injured, or impaired. Factitious disorder symptoms can range from mild, slight exaggeration of symptoms to severe, previously called munchausen syndrome. The person may make up symptoms or even tamper with medical tests to convince others that

treatment such as high-risk surgery is needed. Factitious disorder is not the same as inventing medical problems for practical benefit, such as getting out of work or winning a lawsuit. Although people with factitious disorder know they are causing their symptoms or illnesses, they may not understand the reasons for their behaviors or recognize themselves as having a problem. Factitious disorder is challenging to identify and hard to treat. However, medical and psychiatric help are critical for preventing serious injury and even death caused by self-harm, typical of this disorder. People with factitious disorder go to great lengths to hide their deception, so it may be difficult to realize that the symptoms are actually part

of a serious mental health disorder. They continue with deception, even without receiving any visible benefit or reward when faced with objective evidence that doesn't support their claims. Factitious disorder signs in symptoms may include clever and convincing medical or psychological problems, extensive knowledge of medical terms and diseases, vague or inconsistent. Conditions that get worse for no apparent reason. Conditions that don't respond as expected to standard therapies. Seeking treatment from many different doctors or hospitals which may include using a fake name. Reluctance to allow doctors to talk to family or friends or to other healthcare professionals.

Frequent stays in the hospital. Eagerness to have frequent testing or risky operations. Many surgical scars or evidence of numerous procedures, having few visitors when hospitalized and arguing with doctors and staff. Because people with fictitious disorder become experts at faking symptoms and diseases

or inflicting real injuries upon themselves, it may be hard for healthcare professionals and loved ones to know if illnesses are real or not. People with fictitious disorder make up symptoms or cause illnesses in several ways, such as exaggerating existing symptoms. Even when the actual medical or psychological condition exists, they may exaggerate symptoms to appear sicker or more impaired than is true.

Making up histories, they may give loved ones, healthcare professionals or support groups a false medical history, such as claiming to have had cancer or AIDS. Or they may falsify medical records to indicate an illness. They may fake symptoms such as stomach pain, seizures, or passing out. They may make themselves sick, for example, by injecting themselves with bacteria, milk, gasoline, or feces. They may injure, cut, or burn themselves. They may take medications such as blood thinners or drugs for diabetes to mimic diseases. They may also interfere with wound healing, such as reopening or infecting diseases. They may also interfere with wound healing, such as re-opening or infecting cuts.

They may manipulate medical instruments to skew results, such as heating up thermometers, or they may tamper with lab tests, such as contaminating the urine samples with blood or other substances. People with fictitious disorder may be well aware of the risk of injury or even death as a result of self-harm or the treatment they seek, but they can't control their behaviors and they're unlikely to seek help. Even when confronted with objective proof, such as videotape, that they're causing their illness, they often deny it and refuse psychiatric help. The cause of fictitious disorder is unknown. However, the disorder may be caused by a combination of psychological factors and stressful life experiences. Several factors may increase the risk of developing fictitious disorder, including childhood trauma, such as emotional, physical, or sexual abuse,

a serious illness during childhood, loss of a loved one through death, illness, or abandonment. Past experiences during a time of sickness and the attention it brought. A poor sense of identity or self-esteem, personality disorders, depression, desire to be associated with doctors or medical centers and work in the healthcare field. Factitious disorder is considered rare,

but it's not known how many people have this disorder. Some people use fake names to avoid detection, some visit many different hospitals or doctors, and some are never identified, all of which make it difficult to get a reliable estimate. People with factitious disorder are willing to risk their lives to be seen as sick. They frequently have other mental health disorders as well. As a result, they face many possible complications, including injury or death from self-inflicted medical conditions, severe mental health problems from infections or unnecessary surgery or procedures, loss of organs and limbs from unnecessary surgery, alcohol or other substance abuse,

significant problems in daily life, relationships, and work, abuse when the behavior is inflicted on another. Conversely, malingering is the purposeful production of falsely or grossly exaggerated physical and or psychological symptoms with the goal of receiving a reward. This reward may include money, an insurance settlement, drugs, release from incarceration, or the avoidance of punishment, work, jury duty, the military, or some kind of service. Mollingring is not a psychiatric disorder. It is similar to but distinct from fictitious disorder. Malingering is also separate from somatic symptom disorder in which a person experiences

real psychological distress from imagined or exaggerated symptoms. Malingering can lead to abuse of the medical system with unnecessary tests being performed and time taken away from other patients. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later paralyzed? What would you do? I'm Whit Missle Dine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious serial killer, you'll hear their first-person account of how they overcame

remarkable circumstances. Each episode is an exploration of the human spirit and personal discovery. These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you, this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondering app. And she had her stories so good. Like most people could not have pulled this off. You have to remember how smart she was. Like she was brilliant because she kept everybody in a box so that none of us intersected. Like her husband didn't intersect with me. She made it to where we were all segregated and separate and that nobody knew what the other person knew and I

believe that she had a whole separate thing with Jason, a whole separate set of lies, a whole separate set for me. She probably had told her mom a whole separate set. She probably was telling her children a whole separate set. I believe that she had all these balls and play. And somehow she masterfully juggled them, masterfully. How do you think she was getting all of the medications? Do you think she's just doctor shopping? Yes. Going to a bunch of different doctors. Yep. Well, I don't know what she could have gotten in the nursing when she was doing nursing because she may have had access to meds And in the prison, I'm not sure

But yeah, I do definitely think that she was shopping around and I think she would go to this doctor for this med And she was smart enough to know what to ask for so she would research and find out what medication asked for and I believe that she was Doing a munchasm like I believe she was taking medication to make herself vomit. I believe she was taking laksatives. So this is her vomiting. Right. I believe she gave herself laksatives to have diarrhea, because then you're dehydrated.

And when you're dehydrated, you look bad. You have the rings on your eyes. You have the salo look, you're lethargic. And I believe that she did. She didn't fake her symptoms so much. I believe she was having those symptoms. She was creating them. Absolutely, so she did damage to herself. There you go, because there's the mental illness aspect where you almost can't be too mad because she harmed herself. So it wasn't that she does lied and said she had brain surgery. She cut the back of her head open and

sold it up. So yeah, are you mad because she lied to her? Are you mad because you have mental illness? There it's a fine line and as a human compassionate human being, you try juggling that inside your body. I'm trying to figure that out. It's hard to figure out like what the hell was actually going on. So I wrote her letter which you have in front of you. Do you want to read it? Sure. So I wrote this letter to her because I did not talk to her and I made myself not call her. I really wish I would have gotten an answer to this letter. I think that would have helped me, but I did not get any answer to this letter. Nothing. I know she got it because I did talk to the neighbor girl on and off for the first year afterwards.

And she did keep in contact with her and she did talk to her and she did tell her that she got my letter. Okay, so I wrote this on November 14th, 2007, dear Sylvia. After speaking with you a few weeks ago, I realized I do have a few questions that I would like answered. Remember all I really know is what this attached brief email was sent shortly after you were hospitalized. You said you were really ill when you were having the seizures in front of your daughter. Do you remember taking 10 to 20 pills by the handful several times a day? I believe that this led to your seizures. I don't know if you remember what all has transpired in the past four years, since neither you nor your doctor have asked me any questions about what I witnessed

while you were ill and delusional, how do you know what is fact and what are delusions? If your view of reality was so cloudy, then how can you properly heal without the information? When talking to you, you seem not to have remorse, but you are stunned to find out people have a band in you. I do not detect guilt or sorrow for what you have put others through. The comment you made about why you should tell the doctor or me, how you are or what you are doing to get help, why would I do that? For your curiosity? How about you do something unsolvable, something for the others that have been devastated in the wake of your delusions? Because you were sick, does not negate the devastation you have caused everyone in your life. I don't understand how two months ago you were in a wheelchair

wearing diapers and thinking you were dying, and now, because you know this is untrue, you just snap into reality. I feel you are downplaying what has happened to you. I know you are in therapy. I am glad. However, I am not sure that that is enough. You are working and taking care of your child while you are fighting for custody of your other child. I think you should be focused on fighting for your mental health. Questions I need answers to. One, are you sorry for what you have done? Two, do you know what you did was wrong?

Three, are you telling the truth now? Are you telling the truth to your counselors? Four, what were you injecting into your body? Five, do you remember taking handfuls of pills, taking things to make yourself vomit? 6. Did you ever have cancer or treatment? If so, what, when, and where? 7.

When you would come by work after a doctor's appointment crying and devastated, you had to have come from home and done a great acting job. Is it, like like two personalities, the sixth Sylvia and the planning Sylvia to make the sickness real? Where did you go when you were supposed to be at Stanford getting brain surgery? What are you doing to get better? Do you or did you ever love all of us? I can tell you that we truly cared about you. The abandoning from all is a self-protection

for all of our mental well-being. You have heard all of us so badly. How can we put ourselves out there to a pathological liar with severe mental illness? What if you lie or hurt us again? Can you understand that? Especially since you have done nothing to reassure us or make any kind of amends, we are not even sure if you are truly sorry for what you have done. You know that I absolutely love you. No way could any person go through what I chose to go through with you without love. I have been devastated and hurt deeply by all of this. I feel abandoned by you, by your family. I took care of you,

on my own free will, for years. Cleanse your toilet, cook for your kids, lay it in bed with you, with my dying friend. I moved you five times. I was there for you. I wanted to be there for you. At the end of the day, all I got was, I'm mentally ill. Sorry. I'll be in touch. Great. One of my supposed to do with that. Your illness faked and real has ripped so many people. Can you at least answer my questions and tell me what and how you are feeling? I do miss you and I hope the best for you. If ever your counselors want to speak with me, I would be open to that. I do love you, Sylvia.

T. Yeah, that's our deep and read now. Yeah. So you never got answers to those questions? No, I do know that she, because she talked to the, the gal that lived next door that she had told her that, you know, we abandoned her and how could we do that when she was mentally ill? And that's where I knew, you know, we abandoned her and how could we do that when she was mentally ill?

That's where I knew, you know, how I know all of that, but yeah, how self-suffering. Maybe we're achieving that. Maybe we're fucking tired. Yeah, after doing this for four years with you. And how, like, the audacity of someone to be mad, because we abandoned you, are you fucking kidding me? Like, for real? Right? It's astounding, isn't it? It's astounding. Like for real? Right? It's astounding isn't it? It's astounding. Next time.

Like I did talk to the daughter after she was found out. Um, I believe... Was it before she passed away or after she passed away? Was before she passed away. Something was wrong is written, recorded, edited, and produced by me, Tiffany Reitz. All of the music by Gladrags. Here their album, Wonder Under, on iTunes. Follow the hashtag, Something was Wrong Pod, on Instagram.

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