Something Was Wrong - S3 E11: Happy 1st Birthday SWW! | Ft. Sara + Alissa from S1

Episode Date: January 25, 2020

Tiffany, Sara and Alissa reunite to catch up, discuss the most recent #DickDrama, seasons 2, 3 AND 4! Season 4 is announced. Support SWW @ Patreon.com/SomethingWasWrongVisit SomethingWasWrong.comFollow Tiffany Reese on Instagram @LookieBooFollow Sara Lewis on Instagram @SpaceandPurposeCheck out Sara's Blog www.spaceandpurpose.com  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey, prime members, you can listen to something was wrong early and add free on Amazon music. Download the app today. I'm Candace DeLong and on my new podcast, Killer Psychy Daily, I share a quick 10-minute rundown every weekday on the motivations and behaviors of the cold-butter killers you read about in the news. Listen to the Amazon Music Exclusive Podcast killer psyche daily in the Amazon Music app. Download the app today. About a week ago, I sat down with Sarah and Alyssa from Season 1 to catch up Talk Seasons

2 and 3 and Season 4, which will begin next Friday, January 31st. In honor of our theme song cover challenge, Sarah and Alyssa kicked off our reunion with their own rendition of Gladrags You Think You. I'm Tiffany Reese and this is You don't know me well at all. You think you know me, you don't know me well. At all, at all. At all, at all, let all. Welcome back. Woohoo! So, welcome back.

I'm really excited we're doing this. I can't believe it has been a year. I'm like raising my eyebrows at you, but one can see it. I'm like applauding with your sounds. So I wanted to like welcome back Sarah and Alyssa so we could get some like updates from them of just about how things have been going and maybe a few dick drama updates and get into

season two a little bit, season three, what you guys' thoughts were as listeners and talk about season four, what's to come and maybe some secret reveals, some special surprises maybe. Ooh, I love special surprises, maybe. Ooh, I love special surprises. Because it's like a birthday party, right? So there has to be like a goody bag to go home, I guess. You'll go with that theme. Yeah. So I get people messaging me quite a bit, asking me,

are there any Sarah updates? How Sarah doing? How is Sarah doing? Aw, that's so sweet. You sure they're not just like, What's happening? Well, most of them are dudes like, where Sarah's number just kidding? Oh really? No, not on me.

So, what have you been up to? Oh my gosh. Well, stuff I never would have thought that I would be, but I'm loving it. It's amazing. To put it that way, but I had an office job, you know, for the past five years, and I quit it in order to just kind of leave space open. And so what I'm focusing on now is I have a copywriting job. My cousin actually pays me to write a lot of her marketing material for her, so it's super fun.

And, you know, to work with families of blast. And I also am still doing the young living stuff. So it's been weird. Great, but we worked in what December? My last day at my office job was December 30th, yeah. So I started the new year. Oh, wow. Without a place to go.

To work. That's amazing. You were like, it's 2020, I'm out. Yeah. That's amazing. Kind of like picked up my anchor and I just felt like I would like float it out to sea and was like, what do I do now?

Have you been freaking out or has it been? It's been not as much as I thought I would be. Honestly, I've just had this weird, everything is gonna be okay. And then I'm like, well, did I, am I, have I lost my mind? And should I be freaking out? But it's been working out fine.

And honestly, ever since I kind of like set sail with the whole thing, everything's been going really well. That's crazy. So yeah, I'm just gonna keep riding this train and see where it goes. That's so awesome, dude. Actually, this is the first January, was the first month that I've just been working on the podcast as well. So not being contracted or like anchored down to any, some of you and you both were pioneering 2020, I guess. Oh my gosh, get it. I don't know why I didn't know that, but it's awesome. So yeah, I'm really excited

and it couldn't have come at a better time because the season will definitely require more time for editing and stuff like that, but yeah, it's pretty awesome. Take all the time, we'll wait. Yes, I'm stoked. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on what it has been like a year out now

from like starting to share your story with everyone. Like first of all, 2019 was full of so many things. It was like one of those years that felt like 10 years, I feel like. I don't know if that was just us or everyone, but it was a definite, it was filled with so many highs and lows and everything in between, but what has it been like to see the podcast grow into what it is now? Like other people bringing their stories forward

because of what you started. Yeah, I think you kind of took, well first you took the words out of my mouth, I was literally thinking it feels like a decades worth of life was lived in a year, and I do think collectively everybody would agree. I do feel like the life of the podcast though is kind of not settled into a rhythm in like a bad way because it's not slowed down, but it's sort of taken on a pace and a life,

you know, and a personality of its own. So I still get, you know, messages and emails and it never gets normal, you know, in a personality of its own. So I still get, you know, messages and emails. And it never gets normal, you know, it never gets like, oh, another, you know, every single time I'm like, what is this, you know, what does this person have to say? What can I say, you know, almost like honored to be somebody that they would reach out to. But it's, I think it's settled into more of a rhythm, but it honestly feels like last year was full speed, 100 miles an hour, what happened, kind of like still grasping the handrails and going, okay, that happened.

Do people still try and talk to you about it all the time? Being on the podcast and stuff, or has it died down a little bit? Is it a little bit? It's died down a little bit. It's become a little bit less of a phenomenon. Put it that way. People still have questions, especially when I go to get my hair done, all the girls that work in the salon, all want to know. They've gotten used to knowing that I'm okay if they come up and talk to me about it.

At first, it was weird, because the girl that does my hair is so great, but she was like, okay, so just so you know, everybody in here knows who you are, but nobody wants to, you know, and I'm like, what? People have questions, it's fine. But I think most people now know what's up, you know, and the conversations have been had. Yeah, so it doesn't come up as much anymore. I actually did have a friend call me up out of nowhere after she had just met, I don't know, maybe I told the story already, where she had just met with somebody who works with her. And I've gotten a couple of these, where I'll be like, so I just overheard someone talking

about you, or someone was just telling me about a podcast and about the Jess of Girl on a podcast, blah, blah, blah. It's like, cool, if that's my legacy, it is what it is. But not a lot of, there were a couple times actually, there was one time in particular where someone was kind of like, looking at me weird, and later it was a friend of a friend, and they were like, oh, they probably just knew who you were, but felt weird saying hi.

And I do still to this day have people tell me that I didn't realize way back when the podcast was out that they were dying to talk to me but didn't ever ask questions, didn't ever. And I was like, oh my gosh. And now it's like water under the bridge. But yeah, I don't mind if people ask. I went to a basketball game with Michael a couple weeks ago, a couple weeks ago, GoKings.

And our friends were, happened to be there too and my friend Chris shout out to Chris she's like a huge fan of the podcast and she's like oh my gosh my we love you Chris and and she's dating my friend Kyle who's a really good guy and I just feel like you guys should get serious and we should just lock this down and anytime in 2020 you, you know, Kyle, let's go. Okay, so anyways, so she's like, oh my God, my dad's here and he just, he's been listening to your podcast

and you have to wait here. We just happened running into them at the bathrooms and I felt so awkward, but her dad like comes out of the bathroom like just trying to pee with his hands probably still wet. And she's like, Dad, this is her! It's Tiffany from something was wrong. Like in the middle of the King's thing

and I was just like mortified. I was like, I wanted to disappear. I was like purple in the face probably. And I just changed the subject automatically. I totally was just like, oh yeah, what do you think of Kyle? Do you like Kyle? You think he's a nice guy?

Let's talk. And I just completely changed subject. But he was like telling me that he was listening to season three and he was like, there's something wrong with Patty. I was like, there's something wrong with Patty. And I just like, I loved it. So it can end up being really fun too to actually get to meet people.

And when we did the live show, getting to meet listeners and things, it's such a cool experience that just never seems to become normal. That's been my favorite part. Yeah. Favorite part by far, other than just like how close we've all gotten and the friendship and stuff, the people that have... I've been able to have conversations with that I never would have met has been so fun. Yeah, it's just really cool that people actually like listen.

Yeah, that still impresses me. Well, Anne, I'm kind of hoping that now I have friends all over the world that I can stay with When I have travels because that's part of my my summer plan is to hopefully be able to work abroad Heck yeah, if you have Airbnb's at us and DM me note that's the your local's okay That's the only other kind of DM. I'll accept Yeah, for sure. And you also just got an office. Yes, oh my god. Which is so cool. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

I can barely even like even just those who follow you. You know, Gidey. Right, it's so exciting and those who follow on Instagram probably saw you posted a few pictures. Yeah, I've been trying to hold back, but I mean, why not, whatever. It's an old mechanic shop downtown in the town where I live. It was built in the 50s, front door is all funky, and it's just everything that I love about an old building.

It's 10, you can hear it when it rains, a little bit cold, but we'll work that out. Basically, a friend of mine owns a coffee shop downtown. She wanted someone to share the space with her because it was lonely and ugly. So we just spent three days, like 15 hour days, ripping up the floor, throwing paint on everything. I was like, there's nothing you can't fix with paint and plants, and it's going to be great.

So for now, it's just a working space, because the door's not ADA compliant, and we can't open a business there. But we're hoping to do something more in the future. But for now, it's a place for me to go and do my writing and do young living stuff and hang out and just, I don't know, do whatever I want. What if you were trafficked into a cult over shot nine times or fell in love with a vampire, or went into a minor surgery and woke up one week later, paralyzed. What would you do? I'm Whit Missildine, the creator of this is actually happening, a podcast from Wondry that brings you extraordinary true stories of life-changing events, told by the people who lived them. From a young man that dooms his entire future with one choice, to a woman who survived a notorious

serial killer, you'll hear their first person account of how they overcame remarkable circumstances. Each episode is an exploration of the human spirit and personal discovery. These haunting accounts sound like Hollywood movies, but I assure you this is actually happening. Follow this is actually happening wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wundery app. So I have to ask, are there any dick drama updates? Well, I mean, there was, okay, so backing up last April, I use Voxer a lot, which is like a walkie-talkie app.

I use it a lot for young living. It really is, it really is a walkie-talkie app though. Yeah, it's great. I love it. Yeah, I'm not gonna go into detail, but if anybody wants to know it, there's a highlight saved on my Instagram just because I, yeah. At space and purpose.

Yeah, at space and purpose. In April, I got this weird boxer from this guy that. Who was in April? That was the first time. The first thing, okay. Yeah, and I honestly didn't really think anything of it. He was like, do I know you? I used this for works from time to time,

and I was just like, nope, it was hot hunter, right? Yeah, because very hot hunter. Because you sent us a screenshot and you're like, that's weird I don't know who this is, right? About in the April. Remember he said hi. What is this for? And here's a selfie of me. Remember, that was the first time we're like, whatever this guy. I've totally had for there was so many different like weird scammy situations all the time that I couldn't keep them track. It does get hard to keep all the catfish.

There's so many people still trying to, like I get catfished accounts all the time trying to create conversations with me still. Yeah. So anyways, okay. So continue. You got a weird box. There was nothing of it around April time. Yeah.

And the thing is he didn't, I didn't think anything of it because he didn't try to keep up conversation. So I knew something was weird of it because he didn't try to keep up conversation. So I knew something was weird about it, but I let it go. And then in like, I don't know, maybe it was November, I think. It was right before the holidays. I didn't seem that long ago. I got another one and I thought,

oh, wait a second, and I tried to keep them on the line a little bit and got them to talk really quick, which I didn't plan on that. He made that stupid move all on his own. That was amazing. I loved it because instantly you were like, hi, if you know anything about me, then you'll know exactly, or something like,

you'll know exactly why I'm asking these questions. And then, because he was like trying to chat you up, right? And you were like, I'm gonna need a voice memo from you like proving your person, right? Or something? He was trying to say, do I know you? Do I know you kind of thing? And by the way, here are a bunch of really hot pictures of me. So do I know you kind of thing? And I went, well,

I don't know. Maybe I do know you. Well, maybe I keep the photos coming baby. Right. I'm going to need to see more. I'm going to need to hear more. And that's when I said, you know, I'm going to need to hear your voice to confirm thinking, come on. This is going to be so obvious that I'm trying to flush him out. And then he sends me a 12 second recording of what I think he thought was maybe an accent or a disguise. That's when I knew that he was full of shit. Yeah, Alyssa, I couldn't tell. I honestly couldn't tell.

Alyssa was like, he sent this voice recording and I heard it and I literally thought he is trying so hard to have an American accent or he's a really shitty actor because this is like no other accent I've ever heard. It was like some low key Irish rush-on vibe. I thought it was really it. It was so terrible.

And then like maybe a week later, a week and a half later, one of my very, very best friends that has not had any contact with Dick got the same message on Voxer. So on Voxer, it can only connect to you if you are already, if you have them in your phone numbers, I think, or like email. Yeah, but you can't just like look someone up. Yeah. When she got a message from Hunter? Yes. The same as she never even opened it because she knows how to, but she had, she let you know, because she knew about the situation. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she was like, oh, guess what I got? I'm not even gonna open it. I know how to deal with these people and she didn't even give them the satisfaction of opening it. So that was it. Yeah. Which of it is him? It's like you're engaged right now.

You should be focusing your attention elsewhere. Yeah. It could, it seems very unlikely that anybody else in your contacts would have reason to know. I mean, and we're so much and we, you know, we shouldn't be surprised at all on the other hand. I mean, God, why would we, why would we be surprised? Continue to amaze. No one loves a catfish like that catfish. No one.

He's really, really into it. He was a fish in another life. He's really, really into it. He was a fish in another life. He's a life. Oh, oh, oh. You went on a date. Oh my gosh. You overcame. I broke the ice.

I broke whatever. I, yeah, finally. I was kind of scared of like that first, you know, what? I don't know, when that first time comes, that I'm going to have to go on another first date. Am I just going to like have a meltdown and break out into pieces or whatever, but break down into pieces? Did you meet him on a hinge? As my sister said, I have to tell this, because it's so funny. I was telling my family I'm going to go and record, you know, kind of a one-year

anniversary sort of catch-up episode with Tiff and Alyssa and my sister from around the corner Emily. I just see her go, so yeah, we're back together. That's like every season of scandal. Surprise. Like I always with the singers I love. She knows just what to say. She cracks me up. But no, it was somebody that I actually met organically, which was refreshing. Thank God. I think it's been a while. No, and I survived. I went on a couple dates. It was good. I mean, it didn't work out, but I'm glad that I did it because I was afterwards. It was just like, okay, that wasn't awful. Wasn't gaslit. It was good. I didn't, you know. You did you sit down to dinner and you're like, welcome season one.

Play. Play. Did you even talk about the podcast? I'm gotta know. Did it come up? It actually, like, well, the fact that I had been engaged before came up, I don't remember how,

but basically I was like, back up, back up, back up, like, no, no, no, we can't let this happen. I was just happening. He's like, you've got to listen to this new podcast. I've been listening to it too. I have run every scenario through my head of, what if I'm out with somebody one day and they're like, do I bring it up?

Do I bring it up? But no, actually, it wasn't. I didn't let the first date be like a normal first date. I was like, well, I'm going to be here at this night and this time you can show up and I'll be there with friends and you can come with us. And so he brought a friend too and it was great. I mean, he was so sweet.

He was a gentleman. The next time was one on one and I had a blast. No regrets. I was glad I did it because I just needed to get that out of my system and know that, okay, I can have a good time. Like I can still open up. I'm not going to be super suspicious of everything. You know, there were a couple moments where I was like, ugh, ugh, okay, yeah, no, that's fine, everything's fine.

But I do analyze things differently. I listen to things differently before stuff that I would have, I think, given someone an excuse for. I still might give them grace, but I read into it differently. You know, okay, so why did he do that? Sort of thing. But yeah.

Well, I still get messages every day from people saying, thank, please tell Sarah, thank you for me. We had to start a Google Drive for all the screenshots. I still got to go add all the screenshots to the theme. Same. But the messages that come in are for me like the best part about this whole thing, just hearing minute Validates and helps other people and even just talk you talking about you know getting back into dating and stuff

I'm sure we'll be encouraging to other people because it is like ripping a band-aid off When you've walked out of an abusive relationship. It can be a big hurdle So I'm proud of you good for you. I mean you don't it's to say, but it's not fair to make someone else pay for something that they didn't do, but it is really hard to not, yeah, it's weird, but I'm glad it's going really well. And the message is that I do get, because we're like so far out from everything, and things are going so well, my life does feel so much more normal. I really read these messages and go, okay, good.

I'm actually glad that it all happened the way it did. It was, you know, short lived, didn't get as burned as I, you know, definitely could have and just enough to bring, like, help bring solidarity to people who need it. Seriously. It's learned a lot.

It makes it worth it. Hell of a lot. Hell of a lot. And you have friends everywhere in the world now. So, yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Europe, I'll see you this summer. I want to know.

I want to know. OK, we are back and we are going to jump into talking about season two. So Alyssa, for those that don't know, during season one, she helped me just be a second set of eyes for a lot of episodes Sarah did too. And after I would spend the week or six months working on the episode, I would send it to these you two and I would get your feedback and I feel like you both were such great feedback partners for me just in general.

And so you guys were like such a part of that process. So then for season two, I wanted you guys to have the listener experience and because T's story is so there's so many shocking elements to it, I wanted you guys to be able to have like that experience naturally. So I didn't really tell you guys a ton of fun about like what it was about, but I wanted to get your perspective on like what it was like to have a listener's experience the second season. Yeah.

It was definitely so different because you know with season one we'd get like a Google Doc file and Sarah and I on the group text would be like listening now. All right at 14 minutes, 13 seconds, this part sounds a little weird and then we'd like going and you fix it or whatever and um so it's definitely. You said his name. Oh yeah. Always that. Every piece of Earth's been those, oh, it got in there. Oh, I'm so taking it down. Hold on.

I'm pulling it down right now. Holy shit. OK. Definitely having a couple of times during season three as well. Oh gosh. It did? Yeah.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh shit. I missed the back and forth that we had during season one. I mean, our group thread is still like my lifeline, you know, and I love that. But obviously it's not like near constant every day like it was during season one

because it was just so much going on like all the time it felt like. Season two, it was just so wildly different that I, it was cool to just have a listener experience. And I, to be two, it was just so, it was just so wildly different that I, it was cool to just have a listener experience and I, to be honest, I was just like, oh, I just want more, I want like, you know, but I think it was just because this story was so wild. Yeah. That I, and I didn't know the end, like I did with Dick and so I think it was just like, oh, like I want more, you know. Yeah. Sarah, what is it?

It was frustrating as heck. I hate cliffhangers. So to feel, you know what, it made me kind of think back on our season two and go, oh, you know, like I, I don't know, it's different. It made me, I mean, I didn't relisten to season one until like just recently, I had only listened to it as the episodes were coming out way back.

But after listening to season two, and then season three, I was like, okay, now I'm in full blown listener mode. I'm so detached from my own story that now I'm gonna go back. And the cliffhangers and season, I can see how people, like an armchair expert army just rises up, because your brain is already 10 steps ahead of what people are saying in the story and you're like, no, when you want to shake someone and go, do this or no, that's this, you know. And but still I never, never really called like most of the stuff that was coming, but

I can see now why people were so up in arms over certain things because when you're listening to something play out and you're feeling all the emotions and you're kind of going different places and then there's the cliffhanger, it was yeah, totally different experience. Yeah, so in season one we talked about this a little bit, but Dick actually had faked cancer with his first fiance, we think it was his first fiance. Like, I never connected those dots in my mind. So that was like a really surface level,

like, because we, it was just kind of like skimmed on the podcast that he did that to her. He actually hired, like, made fake lawyers and dot, like records. And like, my only connection with somebody faking cancer like that was real housewives of freaking orange county they freaking accuse one of the the boyfriend who like all these people think he's abusive and

like one of the seasons and then like people are accusing him of faking cancer and that's what it reminded me of was this guy on real housewives of orange county because it was so ridiculous, it was like, who does that, who does that? But then to hear T's story and how somebody who is actually suffering from fictitious disorder that's not just doing it to exploit people that's actually like making themselves sick and what that looks like, what was it like hearing about that? Oh my gosh, when she said that she had stitches

in the back of her head, I had already started to suspect, you know, the ending. And it was running through my mind. I'm going, what if, what if? But then when T said there were stitches, I lost it. I mean, I was like throwing things across the room going if she did that herself and stitched the heck out of the back of it. I just, yeah, that's next level. That's like Dick in 40 years, you know, gone down the, yeah.

Yeah, and that's the thing that's so interesting about that season is, especially going from like Dick, and I feel like season three, it was very easy for people to hate patty at the same way that they hated dick in the season one. And there was definitely much more of that effort to find their identity because of those, because people, that kind of mentality, like let's find them. But with season two, with Sylvia, it was just so sad

that there wasn't that same feeling of like I mean there was definitely a feeling of disappointment like that somebody could do that to their kids and that was I mean there was a lot of fucked up things for like the better term, but it was like you also saw that this person was clearly ill and it's gotta be such a it's got to be such a tortured, it's got to be such a tortured existence. And my main thought that I kept thinking back to was the kids, her kids.

They're not given a choice in the matter anyway. Yeah, yeah. And that recording of Sylvia's child, that part, that poor kid just is going to have so much to sort through. It's really heart-wrenching. Yeah. It's really, really. I went back and forth on including it, because I knew it would be really uncomfortable

for people to hear, but it also showed, reminded me that this is who the real victims are, this story. There were so many victims in the story, but just thinking of her children, and the moving, and all of the things that they went through, like no doubt that affects you and is super traumatizing for them.

But I think it also shows the level of the disease, that you would be willing to sow the back of your head. So stitches into the back of your head using multiple mirrors, because you can't even see the back of your head. So stitches into the back of your head using multiple mirrors because you can't even see the back of your head. Think about that. Think about trying to even see the back of your head and then to sew stitches doing it.

I can't even make a cute messy bun. Right? Let alone stitches. Seriously. And then with season three in the beginning, like for sure, you could feel that there's stuff brewing the same way I feel like people did with season one, like you're like, okay I'm seeing this person, I know that they're shady, okay I know that this person is untrustworthy but what was it like for you as a listener to hear about the qualities that Patty possessed?

Because I feel like she had a lot of those dick traits. Yeah, no, she absolutely did. And it was almost like not dick 2.0, but like spread wider, you know, because I know 2.0. And it felt like her targets were broader. I mean, she was looking to take out like a community. It's kind of what it felt like, you know, or like an entire family. Whereas I know that over time,

Dick probably would have isolated me. And I would have, I don that over time Dick probably would have isolated me and I would have, I don't know, we probably would have moved out of state, who knows. But Patty was like methodically or systematically breaking down the structure of this entire family and isolating each and every one of them. It just felt even more sinister on like a broader scale, I think.

It was really hard to listen to. Then with Ted passing away and hearing the family's reactions to that, just from like a storytelling perspective, it was really unique because with the other stories, like I got to hear your parents' perspective, but they had such an outside perspective, whereas the three people that I got to interview for season three, you know, CJ and Brad and Victoria,

sorry, I have to remember they're to not use their real names. Yeah, so with the three of them, they were also in it. And hearing their like grief and everything I heard from a lot of people was, you know, and it was for me. I cried a lot editing that episode. And I remember when I finished and I was in the laundry room with my husband and I was just like, I'm gonna just give you a warning that

before you listen to this episode, because his own dad had just passed away a couple months before and he was like, yeah, it was hard to listen to. So even harder for those obviously living through it. And that's the other thing is like, when I'm thinking about whether or not I want to include something it's like, sometimes I have to just recognize that people can skip ahead if they don't want to hear it,

which I have to do with podcasts sometimes because everybody can handle different stuff. But also this is their real experience. That's what they really felt. And so, if it's hard for me, I can't even imagine what it was like for them. Yeah, Tiff, I, and I thought the end of season three was like really stunning. Just the way that you pulled everything together and that last conversation with CJ and I, I personally, I just love like hearing your like heart and the way that you connect to the survivors

and just kind of like weave in your story. And so I love that. Thank you. I love that. It was really cool. Like obviously with season one, we, the three of us bonded in such a way. You mentioned earlier, we still talk almost every day. I feel like thext or some way. And it's really cool because

now I also have that with T and CJ. I don't talk to them as frequently, but I still, you know, check in with them probably, you know, a couple times a week, maybe once a week. And I get so attached to each story, and I never wanted to end. I'll never forget our first night of recording season one. This is like five or six hour session around your table. Yeah, not knowing what the F.I. was doing at all. Like we are just joking. OG, white microphone in the middle of the table. It was great.

It was great. And that's the thing though about this experience that's so cool. It's like you don't have to be fancy or flashy. You just really have to have heart and want to be in it and really want to tell the story and be motivated. Just like any other thing. If you have enough heart, that's all you need. The rest will come.

The fancy mics can come later. I obviously haven't ever been catfished, have never had dealt with anyone with me. No? Munchelzins. No? I mean, I guess I know I, I guess I don't know. Maybe I have.

Maybe I currently am. But I think that like knowing the red flags and knowing the patterns of people with these kind of mental illnesses is, it's like getting to be more in like the zeitgeist, but it's not so much that everybody knows what you're talking about. And I'm just really like grateful that in the last year I've been able to like, a, connect with you guys in the way that gives me clarity when I'm dealing with people in my life that may have these like tendencies or traits.

And when you're in the middle of it, it's like, it's so easy, you just don't see it. And to have people like you and to have the education like the the actual information that says like this is what this is, you're not crazy, you're enough. This is what they're dealing with is it's just like it's made such a huge difference in my personal life. So, and I think I feel like that can be said for a lot of people, you know, everybody isn't

catfished, everybody doesn't have a patty in their life, but a lot of people have people in their life with narcissistic tendencies. And I think that it's so important that we know about like what that looks like. So I have learned so much too. And it's like, I'm really a curious person. So I just keep kind of following that curiosity.

So even just doing the research for season three on gas lighting, it literally opened my eyes to a person that was in my life and the tactics that they were using and helped me navigate out of it to basically get this person to leave me alone and what how to set boundaries with that type of person. And I was just researching it for the podcast and then came across enough of the traits that I was like, whole, this is the word that I like this is the portrait of the person that I'm looking at. Two of freaking

tea and it was just so mind blowing and CJ I just kept saying during the interview because I had just started reading the book when the first time I interviewed her and I just kept saying that's what the book says. The book says this is what they do. And that gets edited out of the podcast, but so much of our conversation of the first four hours we recorded, she would pause and I just be like, and did she do this?

And she'd be like, yes, how did you know what I'm like? This is because of freaking book size, this is what they do. And it's wild to think about that people can navigate different traumatic events. And there's a lot of the same feelings even though the types of trauma are so different and they're just like abusive relationships you know it can look different smell

different for every person and the tactics can be different but the way it makes us feel can be so similar and that's what I think is like so human about all of the stories like you were saying human about all of the stories like you were saying. Okay, so you guys know what season 4 is about. And I was gonna wait until next week to announce it, but I feel like, because I have you here, it's the perfect opportunity to talk about it, because Sarah actually knows one of the people that's going to be on the podcast next season. What are the odds?

What are the odds? So our friend, I'm not gonna say their names right now, but our friend, you have known her. She's from the same city that you're from. Yep, she's from my same hometown and we went to the same church for a long time. She knows my siblings better than she knows me. We We just know who each other, like we know all of each other. Yes. So she had heard about the podcast and she started listening. And I had, she hadn't even known that I was reaching out to people about cults and putting it out there like I'd really interested in doing this.

And she reached out to me and said, Hey, my dad was in a cult. said, hey, my dad was in a cult. It's called the People's Temple. So she's like, he was in the People's Temple also. And he escaped Jonestown. So if that's any interest to you, and I was just like, I'll add that to my list. Wait, what is happening? And she's like, oh yeah, also my dad's a mayor.

And so he's really busy, but I think he'll do it because I really don't know the story myself. And she's 22 years old, but she only knows the surface level details of the story. So the fourth season, I will be interviewing him and she's sitting there hearing a lot of this for the first time, which is so interesting. Was she sitting there with you when you were,

yeah, the first interview that I did. And then I go, I'm going back tomorrow for the second round because we have way more to talk about still. Oh, I bet. And so her dad, yeah, her dad was in Jonestown and was raised in the People's Temple Colt for over a decade and escaped with his life. And that is who I will be interviewing for season four. And it's just so wild to me because they're all from

your town. How truly has it all. This tiny beautiful little golden state. But it's just, what are the odds of that? I know and what's funny is, I mean, he was a mechanic way back. So, you know, I just remember my dad saying, I'll take your car over to so and so, you know, and then he became mayor and I had no idea.

So, and the only reason that he is sitting down and talking with me is because his daughter heard you, Sarah, and love the podcast. Because of you, because she knew you. I mean, it's kind of like full circle. We're going back to Dixon and we're freaking. I'm the slowest. Dixon, you made it.

Finally, baby, you got cows. I know, this is one of other things. A couple of other things. And you've done some stuff on the internet now. And this is my apology for hating on Dixon for so long. It's actually lovely. It's lovely there. I love it. I mean, it's really adorable now that I've been through more times.

I had never been before. I mean, actually, when I was walking through downtown with some friends that had never been there, they said they said oh this looks like a Norman Rockwell. It's great! And I went oh you're right. Well thank you both so much for coming back. Happy birthday. Something was wrong. Happy anniversary. I don't know what birthday anniversary. What do we want to call it? I don't know. I love you guys. Thanks for being here. Hopefully we'll have you back soon just so we can talk about Thanks for being here. Hopefully we'll have you back soon just so we can talk about Spiritual abuse and maybe get more into cults and stuff because I know both of you have a lot to say in those Departments No, she's not chomping at the bed or anything

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