Something Was Wrong - S3 E3: Nobody's Getting In My Head

Episode Date: November 1, 2019

Victoria, CJ, and Brad struggle to bring their family back together. Source (Affiliate link): Gaslighting: Recognize Manipulative and Emotionally Abusive People--and Break Free See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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In Dr. Stephanie Molten's Sargis book, Gaslighting, she writes, When it comes to friendships with gaslighters, the word frenemy comes to mind. In 2010, frenemy was added to the Oxford English Dictionary, described as a person with whom one is friendly, despite a fundamental dislike or rivalry. Like all gaslighters, gaslighting friends feed off of human misery. They are emotional vampires. You feel exhausted after spending time with them. They want to know all about all of the terrible things that have happened to you.

In great detail. Conversely, they pay little attention when you want to tell them about something good. They have no interest in the things that are going right for others. They see others success as one uping them. You are their competition. This is because gaslighters view the world as having limited resources. They can't grasp the concept that being happy for people around them could also lead to their own greater happiness and success. Gaslighters are terrible gossip. They love learning unfortunate tidbits about other people's lives and sharing it with others. It is the fuel they thrive on.

It gives gaslighters a feeling of power and control over others. People's personal information is like currency to them, and sharing said info gives them the attention they crave. The difference between your basic gossiper and the gas lighter is that they will use the information about others as a way to gain power and pit people against each other, whereas the basic gossip is usually more of a yenta or a busy body. The gas lighter wields information like a weapon. If you suspect that a friend is a gas lighter, think about how they talk to you about other

people. Last episode we covered how gas lighters love splitting and triangulation. In friendships, the gas lighter purposefully pits people against each other. They love to see a fight and get excited by the fact they have made it happen. One of their most common tactics is telling you that a friend said something in flattering or unkind about you. Gaslighters have no problem lying, especially when it means having greater power over others.

Gaslighters know that people are curious about what others are doing so they will make up gossip as a way to distract from their own bad behavior. Gaslighters would love nothing more than for them to be your only friend. That way, gaslighters think you will devote all of your time and attention to them. They will go as far as you splitting to isolate you from your partner and family. Gaslighters see friends as commodities or things. They don't see a need for having a reciprocal or even relationship with people. They see friends as stepping stones and a way to get what they want.

You'll notice with a gaslighting friend that the friendship is never fully reciprocated. There is no give and take. It's all take all the time. This includes taking your time and energy until you're exhausted. You will never fulfill a gaslighter's narcissistic needs. They are bottomless pits. They may act like your best friend today, but will drop you in seconds if they find someone who seems better, more fun, or a higher social status. To them, it's all about appearance. Gaslighters don't want a friend as much as they want a pet. They look for friends who will be dependent on them and cater to their every whim. They do not know how to form real friendships. Gaslighters will often go to great lengths to form a special

bond with your partner. They will pretend to be a good friend to your spouse and will emphasize how good they are at listening. Gaslighters know exactly what many people in long-term relationships want to hear. They have an uncanny ability to know what your spouse might need to feel better about themselves. They will slowly ramp up their flirtatious behavior. They slowly increase their visits to your home when you're conveniently not there. They start with simply complementing your spouse, then come the sexual innuendos. Next, it's standing too close, up to full physical contact. If a gas lighter knows you're having problems in your relationship, they may focus on stealing your spouse from you.

They will use inside information you have shared with them to manipulate and groom your partner. Gaslighters almost always have an ulterior motive. Never trust them alone with your spouse. Gaslighters connect so sweet and innocent, despite their pattern of the seatful behavior and lack of boundaries. Gaslighters are amazingly good at faking empathy, and your gaslighting friend likely knows exactly what to say to attract your spouse. Their ultimate goal is to steal your partner from you simply to feel like they have won. They don't care about you, your spouse, or your relationship. they live for this kind of winning. Once your spouse breaks off the affair with the gas lighter, things can get very ugly,

very quickly. Gaslighters will stop at nothing to destroy your family if they feel they have been wronged. I'm Tiffany Reese, this is something was wrong. Ted had gotten so distant that he actually moved out of our bedroom and moved into another bedroom of the house, and he stayed out for about six months. Here's Victoria. And when he moved back, I thought, oh, wow, you know, things were looking better. He even said, he's like, you know, don't read into this.

He says, but, you know, I'm going to move back and, you know, we'll see how things go. And I would, we would have talks to him and I, and I would say, I said, do you want a divorce? Do you want to be single? I said, cause you sure do act like it. I said, you don't want my input about anything. You go and do things all by yourself.

You go to functions by yourself. Do you want a divorce? And he's like, no. And I says, well, do you want out of this marriage? I said, do you want to separate? And he's like, no. I says, so what you're telling me is you want to be married, but you want to live like this? And he's like, well, I'm just not there yet. I'm like, okay. And I said, well, let me ask you this. He says, do you still love me? And he says, yes, I still love you. And I said, we have a funny way of showing it. And as time went on, these talks got fewer and fewer

because every time we would, I would bring up his feelings, he would get enraged and get angry. And say that I've turned him into somebody that he doesn't like. And I said, well, that's kind of funny. I said, because, you know, we don't do much together other than go to the O'Brien's. And I don't understand him. Meanwhile, during this time too, Patty started seeing all these faults in my children. My children were adults, they were getting married.

She threw in my face that I didn't let her come to anything to help plan my daughter's wedding, which bonafide lie because she did and That she wasn't more involved when she was pregnant for her first child and Would just throw this stuff in my face constantly that things that I work wasn't doing so I tried to make sure she was included in everything And we did vacations together and she would get angry when I would want to invite my children. And she's like, no, no, you know, this is for the adult. I says, well, but you're taking your triplets, you're taking your children. And the johnson's are taking their children. So why can't I invite my children, or your children or adults, they're on your,

they're on their own. So there was another excuse why I couldn't be around my kids, and she just kept pulling me further and further away from my kids, and I just couldn't understand that. And as time went on, it got to the point as my children married, and my daughter started having grandchildren that the strain on the marriage was so to the point where we were on most roommates now. We didn't have relations, we didn't, we weren't physical, we existed.

And like clockwork about every six months, I would ask Ted, you know, is this working for you? Because it's really not working for me. Are you happy? And he's like, everything's fine. He says, you just need to give it time. He says, you know, you're going to counseling, you're working on things, and you're trying to straighten your things out. That's why I'm here. I'm here to make sure you get all straightened out. And then we'll see you about about us because everything was always my fault. Everything was my fault. And I believed him. I believed her. She would say the same thing. She says, well maybe if you wouldn't make him out angry, maybe if you wouldn't make him upset. Try to do things that he likes to do.

Try to fix him things that he likes to eat. And there was always something, always something that would make Ted angry or something that would make Patty angry. And I even told Patty on several occasions I think he's having an affair. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history, presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our newest series, we look at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about corruption inside America's system of juvenile justice. In Northeastern Pennsylvania, residents had begun noticing an alarming trend.

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. I used to come home from work and come up on the deck and wonder if I was walking in to see Mr. Hyde or Dr. Jekyll today because he was so moody and so off the wall because I just didn't even know who he was anymore and you know Patty would just kept saying why don't you just go get him some help you guys need some counseling and you guys need this and you guys need that and I said well he won't do me of that and then she said well why are you still with them? Why don't you just leave them? I said because I love them. He says father of my children. I'd love him. You know I'm trying to weigh out on this hope and that whatever he's

seeing that the counselors hopefully helping me with that we get somewhere and we can make amends. She's like I don't't know about you, but she says, I don't see anything good in any of this. And she's like, I'll talk to them. I'll talk to them. And the relationship just kept dwindling. The only people that we practically only see would be Patty and her family and the Johnson's, it just kept getting worse. And I just thought, how can I fix this? I don't know how to fix this anymore. And my counselor kept saying, you know, try to get him to come in and talk to me. And I said, I have begged him to come and talk to you. And he just keeps saying, every time I ask him, nobody's getting in my head, this isn't

about our marriage. This is about you getting fixed. You're the problem in this relationship, not me. And I'm like, I have done everything that you tell me that I do wrong. I have corrected. So how can it still be me? My extended family stopped coming down

because they didn't feel welcomed. They said that Ted made them feel unwelcome and just kept saying you know you just look so unhappy And I thought well I just don't know anymore. I'm just got at my wit's end I feel like I walk around with eggshells. I can't do anything right with anybody. I get yelled at from patty I get yelled at from Ted. My son's angry at me. Then three years ago my job was eliminated where I work and I got home and Ted was waiting for me and He was wonderful. He was wonderful and Brad came over and they were very understanding and I was just a mess. Ted turned around and told my brother, which is his best friend, that if I didn't find a job within just a few months, he was going to kick me and all my junk

out. And that's not how he was at all. I was lucky enough to find a job within five months and got back to work, but when I got back to work, Ted and Patty said, well, did you tell them that you were eliminated, that you got fired? And I said, I didn't get fired. I was eliminated. I got a severance package. They told me I was eliminated. Well, no, the word was terminated. So you lied to them? You lied to that organization? I said no. I even got on the phone with the unemployment office while Ted was standing there and said, when am I supposed to tell employees when I go to employer or when I go to interview? And the lady said flat out that your job was eliminated.

And Ted in a rage threw his arms up and said, whatever, if you want to believe that then you believe that. And Patty kept saying, well I think you should tell them exactly what happened. And I said, I did tell them. Oh, so you told them you were fired? I said, I wasn't fired. I was eliminated. I mean, they couldn't even be, they weren't even happy for me.

And I didn't understand that for the longest time. It didn't make sense. So much of my life just didn't make sense anymore. I just felt like I was spinning out of control. Here's CJ Bishop. My mother-in-law, they abolished her job position at the office she was working at. So she was let go and she really didn't see it coming. And the first thing I thought of when that day happened was, oh, I bet Patty is just loving this because it's something bad happening to my mother-in-law. And she loves it when bad things happen to our family. I mean, she would just thrive off of it.

Nothing good could ever happen to my mother-in-law, sister-in-law, father-in-law. Nothing good could ever happen to them without her complaining about it. My mother-in-law got offered a job, a very good job at a college and she gets more vacation time, she gets more lenient, I mean she works within an amazing group of people and she's very happy there. Well when she was hired with the college, I got a text from Patty saying, oh I bet she didn't tell them that she probably got fired from her last job. And I bet that she was hired under false circumstances. Somebody should write an anonymous note and tell them the kind of person that she's hiring because she lied on her resume.

She just went off about it. Whenever, first of all, she didn't get fired. She, you know, her position was just eliminated. And I remember responding to her like she must have thought I would have joined in on the bashing of Victoria. And I wasn't having it. I text her back and all I said was wow, you're really not happy for your friend are you? And she wrote back, oh no, no, I'm very happy for her. I'm very happy for her. I'm just concerned that you know somebody might find out something that wasn't truthful in her resume. You're right. It's not my business. Called it. Okay.

My nephew was getting married and this was my brother's son. And I wasn't even invited to the rehearsal dinner, but the rest of my family was. I went to the wedding and I was treated very, very coldly by my brother and his wife. And I wasn't welcome to stay. So I drove home that night and that was three hours from home. And that night I literally sat on my bed with my gun in my hand and almost pulled the trigger of that night because I felt that unwanted because Ted didn't want to come home with me, Ted was staying to have a good time in party

and that I was to leave and this was my family, my kids, my family, my brother. They're isolating you from every evil. Everyone, my family, my extended family, my siblings, they were making everybody believe that I was crazy. Here's Brad. My dad would hammer my mom. Hammer her. She's this, she's that, he wants that, he wants that, he wants this. He wants that. Just making my mom out to be a monster. That hunting season was the first hunting season that he didn't call his son to come

hunting with him. And that completely like that just broke Brad. So that was like a major turning point and in this struggle with figuring out what the problem is between us and his dad to not get invited hunting, but he went, but he went with Patties kids. He took her at least he offered to go hunt with Patties kids instead of his own son that year. And the fact that Patty's kids went, like they're good boys, it's not their fault. Like we're not salty with them about it, but it broke my husband's heart. I was nine years old, my dad and I dear hunted together.

Every single year, I mean we looked at it as a type of Christmas morning. It was just something we did together Again, we don't have family down here. It was just him and I and I'm a pretty big hunter You know, I've gone out I go out a lot more than he does and stuff like that 16 2016 it was like a week or two before season I still haven't heard from my dad finally. I'm like hey man. Are we going out or what? Okay. Yeah, we threw something together Okay, almost the whole year went by. 16 into 17, 17 come around and my wife's like,

you're gonna talk to your dad, dear seasons, like right around the corner. And I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not, I can't force this guy to have a relationship with me, I can't. As much as it pains me, I thought about it every day. I think about it a lot more now, obviously, but you know, I says no, I'm not going to, I'm just gonna wait. And I never it a lot more now obviously but you know I says no I'm not going to

I'm just gonna wait and I never got a call from him. I ended up going out with my father-in-law and that really crushed me. That really hurt and I never heard from him. In the last Hell Mary Pass full court three footing you know, free throw, you know, whatever you want to call it. As I actually e-mailed my dad, it was, it was the end of 17 and I don't have to get through this without getting upset, but basically I told him, like, listen, I'm a man to man, talk with you, face to face. I don't know how many times it has worked. Basically I told him, like, the one big thing that just was just a knife through the heart for a guy I guess to call it you know as a guy. I said we've been hunting a guy since I

was nine years old and you never even picked up a fancy if I wanted to go but he took the O'Brien's boys out so it was just like man I don't know what I did I'm your only son whatever I did I'm sorry I don't know what it is. And I didn't end it terribly. I mean, it was definitely tough love, the email. I mean, I was really ported on pretty thick, but I left it open thanks to my wife. And it's like, don't you dare end it bad. You leave that door open.

And I'm like, yeah, she's like, well, no, because he's a type of guy. He's prideful, he'll shut down. He's like, you know what, screw you then. You know what I mean? So I left it open. You know, I love you very much. I'm here.

Anytime you want to come, that door's open, and I'm here. You want to talk about something, I'm here. I text him, I said, I sent you an email. He said, okay. And that was pretty much the last time I really talked to him. That email was kind of a big piece of the start of all this craziness I guess I don't know how else to put it next time

Don't be aware of it. Paddy's husband had found stuff on the eye cloud. I said, I just got some disturbing text from Paddy. I picked up that phone and I could hear a screaming. And we floored it through the whole city. I was caught on his tail. And when we got to my parents' street he pulled over and I floored it, pulled it upstairs and there was a sea of cops and family once people in the hallway and I tried to make my way through.

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