Something Was Wrong - S3 E7: Walking Into the Belly of the Beast

Episode Date: December 7, 2019

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Please take care when listening. Thank you. Here's something else that happened that I was so bizarre. The Saturday before Ted died. Patty had her third granddaughter from her first of her daughters. And I said, we better go. We're never going to hear about this if we don't go. We're going to, we're going to be in trouble. And Ted was like, I don't want to go. Why are we going? I was like, come on, we have to go. Do you want to live with some patty being ticked off at you? And he was really upset. And I'm like, what is wrong with you? And he's like,

nothing. And we get to the hospital. and Ted was leaning up against the wall. I was up by the bed to see the baby because mommy was holding the baby. And Patty was like on the other wall. And you could definitely looking at it behind sight now. Like those two had a fight. No doubt about it. So something was brewing even before this happened. Before all this happened, we had zero complaints about Kurt.

I mean, he was always nice. He would always help Brad out if Brad had questions about like, Brad started getting into like, trying to build like some furniture Because you know, that's what his dad always did So then my husband kind of like wanted to get into that too just as like a hobby And he would share he would share that kind of stuff with Kurt They had a they had somewhat of a friendship like because of course like they work together too But yeah, they would share like hunting stuff, Kurt would send him you know pictures of like what was caught on a trail cam and vice versa during hunting season and apparently Patty hated that.

So like we found that out later but whatever, it's like harmless, but we never had any complaints about Kurt. He was always nice to us. We didn't go over to their house. We didn't accept their invites over there because of Patty. You know, when we used to go over there for Functions or holidays, it seemed like not only that they have a pretty good marriage Which you know people in every marriage have problems obviously, but seem like they also had a really good friendship too And I think that's important because, you know, Brad and I, aside from our marriage, like he's my best friend. He's somebody I can laugh with and joke with.

And I think that's important. It seemed like that's how Patty and Kurt were as well. Like they joked around good together, but she would always make sure to say like, oh, like he has freedom to do whatever he wants. Like, I don't control this. Like, you know, we work on our finances together. Like, he can do whatever,

just as long as he's safe, I don't care. Show we seem like she was very chill about not controlling her husband in any way. Well, I would notice, who is on the fire department, like if they all went out to eat after, say, like, a union meeting or if they ordered lunch in, like it started going around, it was just known that Kurt wasn't allowed to do that because

Patty didn't allow them to spend money on eating out. And in my head, like this was before everything came out, it was at a time that I knew she was kind of a liar and a manipulator, but I didn't know how bad. And in the back of my mind, I would just kind of like make note like, huh. So she's telling me, like, she doesn't control stuff, yet it's known around the department that he's not allowed to spend money on things

like going out to eat or this or that. It has to go into savings that, you know, that she really controlled their finances. So it was just like those little things like, okay, well, she lied. I hate the thought like, like, we always say like, what is it that made him do that? Was it that he thought that he, you know, did she call and say like, hey, you know, Kirk found out about this, like stay, stay away from my family, like stay away blah, blah, blah. Like was it the, was it the thought of him losing her that made him do this? I don't think so.

And that's what it's like my mother-in-law said, you know, like last year, well hopefully he didn't do this like on her account. I personally, like my opinion on it is that he found out who she was, just like we did, and realized the destruction that like both him and her caused and he allowed, he allowed himself to be like controlled by her. And I think that I feel like he just realized like, oh my god, I've done this to my family, I've done this for her. And like she's a fraud. So I just think he had a rude awakening of her personality

and thought, well, my family are never going to forgive me for this. That's my opinion. I don't know, and we'll never know, and that breaks my heart. I just wish he picked up a phone and called somebody. And as far as Kirk finding out, and I don't know if he had correspondence with Ted about it, but my husband's aunt, they told us that Ted would say, well, you know, Patty had told me like we need to cut back

on the text messages because Kurt's getting suspicious again. And I don't know if Kurt knew that it was my father or not on the other end of those text messages or not, but that he was getting suspicious and that she needed to back off texting so much. And then I think about that time that she told me that Kurt kicked her out of her bathroom, out of their bedroom for, I forget how many days it was, days a week, I don't know. But she wouldn't tell me what happened. She said it wasn't an argument, but that he said, he found out about something

she was doing and said she's going to go to hell for what she's doing. So I don't know, I don't know what it was. Kurt's pretty nice and I kind of really surprised me that he would actually insist that she not sleep in their bedroom. So I keep thinking of that and I'm like, did he know about this for years and just chose to a shit outside? I mean, I don't think that's possible. I don't think that's possible. Well, he's still with her.

Or even as a woman, you can do that. Yeah, he's still with her. And you know what, maybe he's terrified of Ritiphanie. I don't know. I think he knows exactly who she is. He just chooses to try to keep his family together, you know, at this point, if they were to divorce, let's be honest, like, he would lose a lot of his money, like, and probably, like, half of

his pension or whatever to her. Like, I have to think about it in those ways, because those are things that people do think about, even though, like, your happiness shouldn't equal, like, how much money you have. I mean like that's my take on it. Like if I lost everything I'd rather be happy and poor than the opposite. But people especially in that generation don't always think that. So I don't know if like that's just what's keeping him there. I don't know if he's trying to keep his kids like in a... I don't know if he doesn't want to hurt his kids by taking like for either action. I don't know if he doesn't want to hurt his kids by taking like further action. I don't know, maybe he just thinks it's easier to stay with her

than break up, but I think he knows exactly who she is and maybe he's just terrified to leave. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Who knows what? Maybe she's threatened him before with something. I don't know. Maybe she's threatened him before with something. I don't know. Do you worry that you'll run into her? Sometimes yes. Yep. What do you think you would do? Just run the other direction. Oh, I'll never run.

Wow. I will turn around and I will walk away. Because for narcissists, that is the worst thing you possibly do. Just ignore them. Just ignore them. Now I know there's many many people that would like to have a word with patty. Many because I truly do believe that she has blood on her hands. And she's got to live with what she's created. But I think she's moved on. I truly do.

I think that Ted was just a moment in time for her. All the promises that she made to him, she didn't keep one. She didn't keep one. She didn't keep one. You know, and I think Ted, God rest the soul, had to live with the shame. And I just think as righteous of a man he was, it just got so much the shame, the pain, the fear of being alone, he realized what he had done to his family, his son, and you know, and I'm sure I don't for a moment not believe, you know, things that cause from his job, things from his military career, all played into all of that that and it just whatever

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podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wonder App. After everything came out, it was weird. It was like that the first few days or a week before I knew that there was something else going on. Like the guilt that I felt, I'm like he was obviously depressed and he could have been like, you know, he obviously had some undiagnosed disorder and oh my God, like we didn't help him, like we just gave up on him.

Like I went from feeling like such guilt to then all this stuff coming out that he participated in and for a while for a couple of months, my mindset was well-tied like you're better off gone if you were going to be like that. Like that's so ignorant to be like but really that's how I felt. Well if you were going to be that way and if you could do that to your son and if you could do that to all of us and your wife, you're better off just gone.

That was my mindset at the time. Now, thanks to podcasts like yours and thanks to like reading up on these type of things about how these people adopt their abusers' personalities. I feel like that's kind of what happened because now I grieve, now we grieve for the Ted that that used to be like he used to be such a gentleman. He used to do anything to help anybody. Family was first. He would have done anything for anybody and he was very loving. He was like full of life.

And that's who we grieve for now because even though like patty opened that door and he chose to walk through it. He didn't know he was getting involved with a psychopath. So he started to adopt a lot of the crap that that she would do. You know question people on like oh wait you said you had this for dinner last night. What do you mean? Like I thought you had the like the stupidest things, the stupidest things. It sounded like he just adopted her habits and he started treating Victoria like crap because that's how patty would treat her

and that's how she wanted her to be treated. So Ted started doing it, which isn't an excuse like dude, you're an adult. Like if you know what's wrong, just don't do it. I just think he got in way over his head, and I don't think he even realized that this was a type of mental abuse that people could put on other people. It's like, I don't wanna put it all on Patty

because like he chose to do that, but it's also, like I said, I just don't think he realized who he was getting involved with and what she was capable of doing. I mean, look, like I said to, you know, I said, I just don't think he realized who he was getting involved with and what she was capable of doing. I mean, look, like I said to, you know, I said to Brad like so many times, hey, she had me convinced until I got my shut together and realized like she wasn't a good person. He didn't, he didn't come to that realization.

I don't think until very late. And I know that he started telling the really close friends of his that knew of the situation and what was going on. Like he would start telling them, like she's nuts, she's nuts, I don't think that he knew how to get out of it though without blowing the cover off of everything. And you know, one thing that Ted was

is he was a very, very prideful. He didn't like to make mistakes. I just don't think he knew how to get out of it. And I think, you know, he definitely knew Brad's stance on cheating, like my husband's very against to that, obviously, which everybody should be, but Brad's just very passionate about, like you don't do that, that's inexcusable.

So it kind of breaks my heart like at the end. I keep thinking like, I wonder if Ted just thought that he had literally nobody to call. He had no one left because he did, he took part in kind of helping almost destroy this family. Whenever he, he definitely could have called, like Brad would have opened the door with open arms, just he just wanted his dad back at that point.

But now I just think he adopted a lot of personalities of Patty and it got way over his head. I think had a little bit of maybe a little bit of narcissism in him was a very proud, righteous type of man. He had some OCD, he had to be perfect and everything he did. I take that as being the first of born. He didn't like, he did not like people to see him fail. He did not like people to see him as a failure. He used to tell me all the time that he was Superman. When I said you're not Superman, he said, yeah it yet is that's underneath my clothes. You can't see it You know, and I try to remember

That's the man I married That's the man I fell in love with and that's them for and I will love forever The one that turned into That person that I put in the ground last March 7th. It's not the man I married. I don't know who he was. Yeah, so after everything happened,

we moved mom and to my house, mine and CJ's house for four or six months or something like that. I just didn't want her thrown right back into that house, right away by herself. We're gonna stand on our feet and take this thing head on. We're gonna be here for each other. We're gonna do this.

And that was easier said than done for me too. You know, I'm not human being. But I just wanted to be strong for my mom. And it was hard. It was was hard. It was really hard. We had some pretty tough times. Mom was telling me stories of telling me

some of the last things that he did. My dad and I would stay up. When I lived at the house, we would stay up and play music clips and play music all the time. And just like, my dad always had this stupid thing, but he did it since I was a kid. You know, my dad grew up in the 70s and 80s and you'd hear like a big hero band.

And every single, it didn't matter if I was seven years old or 27, he'd turn around and go, who's this? You know, it was like, who sings this? You know, we always did that. You know, we always listened to music and stuff like that. And we would do that. You know, when I lived at the house if it was a weekend a week Stay up till two o'clock in the morning just screwing off doing that

You know my mom told me a story You know right before you know Maybe the winter of you know 17 lady leading into 2018 when we lost I mean I he was he was doing that listening to music and She was like well. I'm going to bed She and she knew what he was doing You know my dad and I did that all the time. And she turned, and she was like,

aren't you missing someone for that? And she said that, you know, he almost started crying. And he just, like, he said his eyes just kind of welled up. And he just looked at her. And just went right back to the laptop and just started, you know, just kept on going, you know, and I broke down, you know, I'm the best, you know, I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know, I feel like I'm like complete crap, you know, and, you know, stuff like that, my mom and I were sharing the good times and

the real bad and, you know, the things that she was living with at the house, like, yeah, my dad wasn't physically abusive, just it was just a mental beat down, a constant mental beat down to the point where they were roommates, have 10 times better relationship. You know what I mean? Like, he'd be in one room, she'd be in another, he'd be watching one totally separate CTV in one room, he'd be watching another. So we really kind of hashed, I really kind of got where she was coming from and I feel pretty awful not knowing. She kind of kept that for my kids of how bad it was with her and him and things that she was going through. And this is the most better sweet thing of my life.

Losing my dad has been an absolute bomb going off. And we're still a year and a couple months later, picking up the pieces of losing him. Things would obviously be better and easier if he was here, we miss him for everything. But if this is what he was gonna do, this is how he was gonna treat my mom, leave my mom, do whatever.

My mom was, wanted my parents' relationship. She wanted their relationship to work so much in every single issue, coral fight, good thing, bad thing. She'd tell Patty. Those are best friends. She'd tell her. Patty would be there for she would just, yeah, I and I was just walking into the belly of the beast. You know, and my heart just broke from my mom,

but it's bitter sweet, and it's sweet, and the aspect of my mom now knows everything. My dad's gone, and that's a huge blow, but all the deception's gone too. You know, my mom always had her faith. She wasn't maybe not always practicing or whatever. She really came to her faith in this.

You know, I've really tried to pick her up in her faith to help her through this. You know, she had told me, you know, she's like, I kept praying, I kept praying for things to get fixed. I kept praying for things to get fixed. And I said, well, you know, dad made his decisions and stuff. I said, but you got your answer. You know, whether dad wasn't good for you,

how he was not good for you. I said, you definitely got your answer. I don't know how he did everything. I don't know how everything works. But it's a lot better now, isn't it? Like you're not walking into some hellhole of a house, not, you know, dealing with my dad, not knowing what kind of guy he was gonna be that night,

what kind of mood he would be in. You're not telling your quote unquote best friend every walking moment of your life, only knowing that she's using it against you. Or whatever, I'm like, isn't that liberating? She's like, you have no idea. She's like, I would apologize to Patty like 10 times a week. First stuff that I didn't even know I did. I would just like constantly apologize apologize apologize

And my mom, I mean, I wouldn't fly with me. I certainly wouldn't fly with my wife my wife. I love her to death She will tell you to crap in your hat and a heartbeat You know, so but my mom was not that way. She's very, you know, passive, very kind of submissive. And I'm sorry if I hurt you, I'm really sorry. And I told my mom, I'm like, don't you just feel better though? Isn't it so bittersweet? You know, we lost that.

And it is like, I feel like I've just been gutted. But in a sense, it's like, you know what, man? You made your choices. You almost, you's like, you know what, man, you made your choices. You almost, you and Patty almost single-handedly destroyed this family. And it's all gone, though. In a sense, it's horrifying. In another sense, it's so liberating. I thank God for it.

It's just a weird, weird situation. It's such a paradox. It's such good and such bad that... Really got clawed. I mean, I walked closer to my mom. I was so, we're very close now. And I feel very ashamed that she was dealing with all that stuff. And I thought she was...

If she wasn't aiding in it, she most certainly wasn't doing anything to help. We've talked to her. Ever since then, she was like, listen, I would try to bring it up and he would scream and yell and listen then I would do things and I would you know and he's like and he found out that you and I were talking there in the last six months and he told me like you're not to talk to him blah blah and you know she's like that's my son you ain't gonna tell me what I am and I you know my mom started to put her big girl pants on there toward the end.

She started figuring stuff out too, a little bit, a little bit, not to this magnitude, obviously, but she started to really stand up for herself kind of like, no, this isn't gonna house be. And it never was like that. It never was like that, growing up it wasn't like that. It might really, 20s, it really, really wasn't like that. I mean, it just never, this was not my dad.

You know, and that's in the whole time like trying to deal with his funk like five years of him not talking to myself or my wife, and it's just like who is this guy? I mean you literally just Took out my dad and put some someone else was driving his boat, and it's like who is Ted? Like who is he? Like who is this guy? I don't know him. Like I don't even know. And he was not like that to my mom. He was so loving. We were such a close family and fun and all this time. We just like, like I don't know, like a blue collar American family vacations and fun. It was just us, you know. And it's just like, well like well you know he made his decisions so I mean you know I probably six months after I lost my dad my best my best friend you know I

can't say that enough dealing you know six months eight months after I lost my best friend. I would start telling people, going down this road is not like you want to screw around, you want to do this or that, you want to be just, you know, hide something from somebody. Listen, you might get away with it, you might get some instant gratification, whether it's an affair or whatever you're doing. You know, but it's, you have to understand the ripple effect that this is going to cause. You're hurting someone. You know, you just, you're destructive decisions has a ripple effect in this life. You are going to affect someone, maybe one person, maybe a hundred, maybe a

thought, maybe millions, I don't know. I'm just saying you, the decisions you make are going to have a ripple effect But also be upfront and be honest with people. I still have that trust but verify you would assume that Well, yeah, this person told me I believe it to be true I mean you deal with it people deal with it at work all the time. Oh, yeah, I guess what I heard this this this you know this Are you serious? Yeah, that's crazy. a-and you finally hear out down to it. That didn't happen. It happens every day.

What's that? What's that old game where you used to play as a kid's in grade school, a telephone game? You tell one kid in the class. It was a game, you know, by the time I got to 30 kids, through 30 kids, it was so twisted and distorted. You know, it was supposed to be a fun game. But that's adults do that crap. You need to verify before you put some serious weight into what people say, especially if

it's, so people you love pick up that phone and, you know, listen, is this what's going on, is this what's, you know, get to the bottom of that, you settle that, if it's a quarrel or something hurtful or whatever, you better squash that right real quick or else it's just going to manifest because you don't know if you're dealing with a patty. Or I'll go as far as a tad. My own dad made his decision. He did his things. He did, you know, he was deceptive.

And the things that he parked in. So that would be the big thing. Don't go down the road of, you know, it sounds obvious and it's not just an affair. But things that are going to hurt other people You know, and I'll share a little bit, you know, the biggest thing Jesus said was to love God and love others Because it does have ripple effects sometimes catastrophically So that's what I would be my advice. So thank you so much. I'm so sorry for everything that you guys have gone through. It's just it's so heartbreaking. I don't even know what else to say except for I'm sorry.

That's all right. I appreciate you. Appreciate you listening to us like I said. I'm not CJ's real big in the in the podcast thing and you know and I uh she told me she wanted to do this and how's like I just kind of sat down to like really, like you really want to peel open our life even more to other people. But you know, and I thought about it and I told CJS is, you know, if it helps one person, one person, then thank God for it. Maybe all it needs is to help one person. So if it does, I think that there would be a success.

Yeah. This sounds so crazy, but my father and mom was one of those people that he cared so much what other people thought. Whenever anybody was stopping over, the house had to be immaculate. He didn't ever want to look bad or look a certain way. He didn't care about his image and he cared that they...

So I said to him, my husband, I can't believe he did that knowing that people would obviously see him and everybody in the city would be over there seeing that because knowing him he's so damn prideful, he would never want somebody to see him that way. So for him to do that, that's why I kept saying like, are you sure this was a suicide? Kind of person that he was, and this is going to sound defensive, but it's just how he was. He's like, what a dumbass, you know, like, I can't believe like, who the hell would do that?

Like, what a waste. The thought of suicide with him, like, he just always had that mindset, like, what kind of dumbass would do that? And that's why I'm like, how are we talking about him doing that? Because, I mean, my eyes have been so wide open to that this can happen to anybody like if you're in a low enough place and like I said I'm sure mental health had something to do with it. I'm sure he was depressed and losing Ted is a huge loss in this family. And in saying that my children and I and their spouses

we now have a bond that no one will ever come between us. There is no person that will ever become come between me and my family ever, ever again. And my son and daughter have shown me such inner strength and I'm so proud of them. to see what they had to see that their dad did. And to still stay strong, I couldn't be a proud parent. And I thank God every day that He gave me two fantastic children, and they have fantastic spouses.

What the bishops have been through is incredibly heartbreaking and traumatizing. I am struck by their resilience. They have used this tragedy as a catalyst for healing in their family. It has been an honor to get to know them, and I hope one day to fly to Pennsylvania for a huge group hug. As I've shared previously, my father-in-law, Papa, died a few months ago, right as I was wrapping season 2. Editing season 3 while grieving has been extremely

emotional at times, and also very cathartic. The murder of my brother in 2012 taught me what grief felt like. So I could relate to those sentiments when interviewing the bishops this past summer. However, being able to bond with CJ now, who also lost her father-in-law, has been a really special thing for her and I. I'm really thankful that the bishops have been brought into my life. It is an extremely difficult thing to do. To be this vulnerable and share the most traumatizing thing that has ever happened to you. I began interviewing CJ this past summer around 4th of July. Many months before my father-in-law had passed away. A few weeks ago, when I was editing footage, I heard the following clip and was blown away.

So fresh. It's like this just happened. Basically, a year is nothing. Like two years is nothing. In the scheme of life when you've lost somebody, like that's it's so fresh. It's so real. Like going through holidays the first time, the second time, the third time. It's all new. It's like, you're just figuring out how to live a new normal. Yeah, I know, and it's still so weird. Like, you know, I think, okay, this happened last year. I'm like, oh my god, it feels like it happened five years ago. I mean, it just feels like so much time has passed,

but it hasn't. And even like, Victoria lived with us for a few months after all this happened, which was really awesome. Honestly, like, it really helped. All of us reconnect. Her and her son got like, it kind of made up all that missed time that they had, because I know whenever I met Brad,

he was a mama's boy. Like him and his mom were so close, he would tell her everything. And to see like the total disconnect the last few years was like to think of it now. I'm like, I cannot believe that ever happened. But having her here with us a few months, you know, we all reconnected. It was great. Well, you know, I hosted a lot of holidays and anything like it seemed like kind of that first, I don't want to say whole year, but I hosted a lot of holidays and anything. Like, it seemed kind of that first, I don't wanna say a whole year,

but I hosted a lot of holidays for a long time. Once she moved back to her house, she's now hosting things again at her house and even being there for holidays. I hate to say it, but I don't hate it, but I'm not used to it because all I think about, on the 4th of July, I was sitting out on the deck and all I could think about was, like, Ted coming out the back door, I'd be like, all right, you know, hey, anybody want to be here? Like, just his old happy-go-lucky self. And I think that that's why I've been in such a funk these last couple weeks because the 4th of July was here.

because the 4th of July was here, and I just left feeling really sad and I've been in a fun cover since, but even for me as not being a daughter of his, I can't imagine how it is for his own family. Like, I'm not used to it, so I know the rest of the family is probably still getting used to it. It's gonna take a while. Yeah, it takes time, and like, I mean, my brother has been gone since 2012. And still, like, you know, on Christmas, I think about him, or, you know, I mean, my brother has been gone since 2012. And still, like, you know, on Christmas, I think about him or, you know, I think about him every day, for sure, but it does become normal even though it still hurts.

And I remember somebody saying that to me when my brother died, they said, I know all day, every day, this is what you think about. But in about two or three years, you will think about other things. And a day will go by where you don't think about this happening. Really? And it just, it kind of gave me hope. Because that happened yet?

Yeah, I'm able to, like, after, I think the first three, four years were extremely difficult. But I think now I'm able to be like, I'm so thankful that I had him for the amount of time I did, and despite the complications that he and I had in our relationship, because there were many, I'm just so happy for the good years. Like you said, I separate the two, I separate the negative, and I just celebrate the good, and try and think of like traditions or things that made me happy that we did together and I try to you know for example like we used to always go to Chinese

food around Christmas time and so now every year my husband and my our kids like we do that now you know and just like it's not like a sad it's not like a sad event now it's like a fun yeah it's like yeah this is like what we do to like you know just honor that this was a fun thing. That was a thing that I loved about this person. And I feel like if he is looking down in some way, it probably, you know, makes him feel happy and I feel connected to him to be able to like do that. Whereas before it was just, you know, that constant feeling of why or I could have done this. I should have done that.

I just feel like over time you're able to sort of see things from a more of a bird's eye view versus feeling like you're right in the middle of a pit of fight. That makes sense. It's like a drawing view versus like a up close and personal view where it's just all you can see is like pain and anger. Like I just felt angry for so long too. Like it's made some hope. Yeah, it does get tired of that. Like I said, it's weird, because it's like he wasn't my father.

I have a father, I have an amazing father. I didn't need another father figure in my life, but Ted really treated me like one of his kids. And like I said, he was my buddy for a long time. And I just feel like the guilt every day. I'm just so sad, like I'm so sad all the time and I shouldn't be. And then I look at Brad, like at him and I'm like, damn.

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