Spinning Plates with Sophie Ellis-Bextor - Episode 117: Amy Hart

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

Amy Hart is a social media influencer, former reality TV star and podcast presenter. She appeared in Love Island in 2019 (Richard and I are avid viewers!) and she now has an adorable little baby called Stanley.Amy is the only Love Island contestant to have appeared on Question Time and she is a big food bank supporter.Amy worked as cabin crew before she joined Love Island, which I imagined would prepare her for sleep-deprived motherhood...except Stanley is a very good baby and sleeps through the night!We talked about how supportive her parents are as grandparents to Stanley. We also discussed how Amy had frozen her eggs prior to meeting her partner, and how she plans to donate those eggs to people stuggling to conceive.Spinning Plates is presented by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, produced by Claire Jones and post-production by Richard Jones Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Sophia Lispector and welcome to Spinning Plates, the podcast where I speak to busy working women who also happen to be mothers about how they make it work. I'm a singer and I've released seven albums in between having my five sons aged 16 months to 16 years, so I spin a few plates myself. Being a mother can be the most amazing thing It can also be hard to find time for yourself and your own ambitions I want to be a bit nosy and see how other people balance everything. Welcome to spinning plates Hello, this is me being pretty ambitious. I'll tell you why I've got about a two-minute walk between the tube to my house And I'm using that as a time to speak to

you before I get in I'll tell you more about it right so I've been away actually uh it's now Sunday evening and I left on Friday morning and I just spent the weekend in Paris with my mum my brother and my sister it was my brother Jackson and my sister Martha's present, Christmas present to my mum. We take it to Paris. So that's where we've been. It's been so much fun. Sorry, stopping. My wheelie bag's getting stuck.

Yeah, we stayed in a really cool little Airbnb right in the heart of the Marais. So it's been very chic for the last few days. We saw lots of art. We walked a lot. We did quite a lot of shopping. We're good at that. Some nice wine, some lovely food. It was really fun actually. And I'm not going to lie, it was quite good to be doing something else because last week was so full on with talking about my old friend aka murder on dance floor i don't feel sick last week when i spoke to you i said i was feeling a bit sick with everything's happening quite a british way i've now settled in a little bit more i don't feel quite as queasy still enjoying myself very much lots of fun, still thinking it's bonkers. I've

used the word bonkers approximately a thousand times this week, but yeah, I've settled in. I'm just enjoying myself. Sorry about the noise in my wheels. Listen, I'm going to be brief because I'm about to go home and I've missed my babies. This week's guest is Amy Hart. She has a beautiful little baby called Stanley Stanley who's one. I first was introduced to Amy maybe the same way you were if you watched Love Island. Richard and I love it. Amy was brilliant on the series that she was on. And since then, she's an interesting character, Amy, because she's surprising.

She's the only Love Island contestant to have been on Question Time. She is politically savvy, left wing, cool, happy. She and her chap recently got engaged and seen over the moon. But yeah, I was very curious to hear what it's like to be caught up in that experience, being in a reality show and what it's like the other side of it. And she's got some pretty wise takes on it all, actually. Anyway, I'm going to leave you with the conversation we have while I ring the doorbell. I'm going to get my babies. See you on the other side. Amy, it's so lovely to meet you.

It's so lovely to meet you too. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming over. And I've got so many things I want to talk to you about. But I want to start with the hair now because you've had your baby boy, Stanley, who was absolutely adorable. Yes, I have.

He's seven months old now. I can't believe it. So how has life changed since you had him? It feels like it's changed a lot. But also, it feels like it's changed a lot but also it feels like it has like it feels like you're sort of slotted in like I have found the whole sort of transition quite I don't want to say easy I found the actual like act of child rearing I find quite like is my thang like you know I've never really been good at anything but I'm quite good at that um but for me it is the it's the juggle.

It's the trying to work out and trying to make better use of my time. Yes. Yes, I'm not very good at time management. Well, especially if you're working. If I wasn't working, it would be fine, but trying to cram in on my work and looking after Stanley and running a house and stuff. Well, I guess as well, it takes a little minute sometimes

to find your feet with that. Yeah. Plus, there isn't really a right or wrong way to do it. So when did you start working again after you had him, then? So he was born on the Friday morning, 3 o'clock in the morning, and on Saturday night, one of the nurses came into my hospital room to check on the baby and NHS, by the way absolutely

amazing they were coming in so i could sleep and she was like what are you doing i was like i'm just sorting out i've got a giveaway on my instagram i just need to um screenshot all the people that got the answer right she's like it's three o'clock in the morning you had a baby yesterday and i said yeah i know i've got to do it right now and she's like i'm coming in to check on your baby so that you can go to sleep. Like, please go to sleep. And I was like, okay, one, like, ten more minutes, and then I will.

So that was when I went back to work, was the next, and it sort of just went from there. Obviously, I don't work all the time. I'm very lucky that I can sort of pick it up and put it down when I want to. But when your job is being you, there's not really much time off. Well, that's very well put, actually.

And I think also if you're the one who's kind of, I always think of it as pushing the boulder. Basically, you have to be your own cheerleader. Yes. Because I think probably what is similar for both of us about our work is that if we decided not to keep going with what we do or what people know us for doing, people might go, oh, for a minute,

and then they'll kind of move on quite quick so there's lots of bits of it where you've got to be the one who picks up the load and just runs to the next bit I have a lot of people that say to me well you could afford to take a year off like because when I say well you know there is no maternity leave well you can afford to take a year off so why don't you I can afford to now but if I took a year off work there wouldn't be anything there when I came back. Like, it's all about momentum, and it's all about keeping it going. And it's a very fickle industry, especially with influencing now, it's so, like, saturated, there's so many people, you've

got to keep going. But I love my job, and I don't actually really see it as a job, in that I used to be an air hostess, and people say to me, would you ever go because I really miss it and I always say if I ever had to go back to work that would be the job I want to do so it's the fact that I don't like my job is a job and you know I will say I pay my tax pay my national insurance and I have to work but I always refer to my old job as if I had to go back to work because what I do is more of like a vocation. It's more fun. Yeah, I can see that. I can totally understand that

because I guess when you're part of cabin crew, that's part of a big infrastructure and the whole shape and you're given your timetable and your hours for the next week and all the people that are colleagues and what you're doing now is much more self-motivated. But that being said, I get the impression from what you've told me already that you're quite good at finding opportunities for yourself

and that sparked a lot in you. Yeah. So I'm very, like I always say, I've just been hustling for four years and I sort of, when I came out of Love Island, obviously it's like the sort of standard things that you do. So I had my like clothing edits with companies which was amazing and that was like a real pinch me moment because it's companies that I bought from for

years and years and years and you sort of do your sort of box checking if that makes sense like things that things that you do when you come out of Love Island but then I was like okay right I want to do this I want to do this sort of like life for as long as I can so the way that I sort of did it was and I this is what I tell other people that come out of shows like Love Island is I looked at my interests and my hobbies and things that I'm passionate about and then worked out how I could turn that into working for me so I'm passionate about travel so now I work with P&O Cruises and I work with James Villers and I work with other companies like that um and you know I love theatre so I work with London Theatre Direct and I'm working on a new theatre app and stuff so you know I try and

sort of do it all to things that I love doing yeah and I think you've also got a bit of a social um you know sort of political element you're doing as well socialist icons not my words the words of people on twitter happy to have them here yes let's take it no i'm basically i that came from um during lockdown i was doing a zoom quiz i was hosting a zoom quiz every week and it's like an hour long and um got a message before saying hi amy any chance you could uh do a little video just about like joining the importance of joining a union so i was like yeah okay cool it's like a little 30 second video like oh when I worked at British Airways obviously um it's a big company so it's really great to have a union because they know

all your agreements inside out um so definitely you know uh join a union put it on Twitter did my quiz came back an hour later and it had gone crazy and everyone was like oh my god she's a socialist icon like I never thought that Amy Hart from Love Island would be telling me to join a union and stuff so yeah I think people expect it and I'm the only Love Islander ever to go on question time that's awesome yeah that's really awesome horrendously nerve-wracking but um yeah I'm the only one that's done it so far I think that's spectacular, actually. Because also, you found yourself with a platform. If you've got a million followers, that's a lot of people engaged with you. And I think there's obviously sometimes been a misconception

that to be a successful influencer, it all be quite uh inward looking yeah but actually to turn your gaze the other way yeah and be actively engaged with the people following and also what the lives they're having and to connect with your friends to connect with the like your job you used to have and understand your role in all of it it is it is refreshing but also really cool yeah so i had some um during lockdown i was clearing out like everyone was and i had loads of like shampoos and random stuff and i put it on facebook and said oh you know does anyone want these and one of my friends from school says oh my mum actually runs the local food bank um could you take it down to her and i was like yeah of course

why not it's like chatting to everyone and they were like you know obviously we don't want to push anything on you but obviously you've got a big following like if you could help us out with anything and I was like I will but on the provider that I can come down and volunteer I was like because I'm not going to be preaching to everyone about like you know donate to your local food bank go and volunteer and stuff if I'm not doing it myself I end up volunteering there every week for 18 months and it was my favorite thing i did of the week and it was really hard because i used to be like i had another great morning at the food bank i can't say that um but it was just being there with they're all mostly retired like none of them

ever watched love island before i used to go in a tracksuit with no makeup on and we just like like just gossip here with each other and like finding out about each other's lives we're packing all the bags and stuff and it was like one of the best things ever done and I still support them from sort of like a um like an outward because then sort of work came back and I couldn't commit to it anymore um and actually one of my aunties like one of mum's best friends aunties um she actually retired and she was looking for a volunteering position so I was like oh there you go you can take my shift. So I passed that on to her.

But I'm still ambassador for the food bank and I'm going to the Labour conference this week and doing a panel about, like, food banks in the UK and stuff. Yeah, I got to interview Keir Starmer, which, like, two years ago when I did that was like, oh, yeah, I get to interview Keir Starmer, that's cool. And it's looking like he's going to be the prime minister next year. And it's like, actually, I sat down with him, I've got like selfies with him and stuff, that's cool.

That's very cool, but also I think, I mean what you're doing is brilliant, because that is the reality for so many people. What's something you learnt from your experience of the volunteering? To, well volunteering I would say as a whole I always thought like oh you're working a charity job whatever um again it's like very inward it's like oh yeah I'm doing something else but I made friends I would never have made anywhere else um and sort of got new experience and new viewpoints and stuff so obviously I've got socialist values but I've also got a Tory dad who's been in my ear um the whole time and there were certain things I won't

go into them because I don't want to like upset anyone or anything but there were certain things that I would maybe say and someone would say but what if you turn that on its head and you thought that instead and I was like oh yeah like that is so you're so right you're so right and now it's completely changed my viewpoint and also um just having because obviously people that I was working with would be on the phones talking to the families that we were like the food neighbors that we were doing the bags for um just like learning more stats and sort of more real lived experiences so then when people say to me I don't know it's the food bank because they all spend all their money on booze and fags. I literally have all the information there to really challenge their

ideas. Yes, knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. And I think also, you know, it can feel very overwhelming with the amount of areas in life that need support and assistance. And I think sometimes that thing of going, I don't give to charities because most of it ends up in a landfill. I don't give to charities because most of it ends up in a landfill. I don't give to charities because most of it goes on something else. It can be a way to give yourself a little breather

from having to get involved because the actual nature of getting involved can be a little bit messy and can make you think more about yourself. And probably what your Tory dad and the conversations and the debate you've had with him has given you is the ability to navigate those conversations beyond twitter's yeah you know feisty binary nature because people that's like jumping into a sparring and nobody really wants to change their mind it's all about point scoring and also it's very like when you think of a food

bank you think okay someone's lost their job and they can't afford to buy food so they go to the food bank but what my food bank is they they want a grant so they use that money to hire someone to go around to every single family that we worked with and say to them what is it what is the what is the main factor why you need our services so some people i'd never even thought of this like if you live in the middle of nowhere and all you've got is a really expensive corner shop and there's no bus route to get you to Aldi or to Lidl or to like a supermarket that has like better value products then yeah you're not going to have any money to buy food because you can't like what you can get in that shop you can get three times the amount at a bigger supermarket so to those people we were saying okay we can give you a food parcel or would you rather that we paid for a taxi to

come and get you and take you to supermarkets you can choose your own it's all about dignity and that sort of yeah a lot of it takes takes away that people's choice and you know they get given the bag of food and you've got to be grateful for it and you know have that whereas this is you know it gives them that opportunity to go and pick what they want and take that responsibility back. Yeah, because there's shame around being the recipient of charity. Yeah. For a lot of people, some of those people,

their families won't even know they've got themselves into that situation. So I think that's a really good way of respecting individuals and how they're feeling about all of that. I don't want to like keep going about it but um i know during lockdown um actually the people that were willing to accept the help um went up because we were delivering the packages and apparently a lot of men especially a lot of single dads um it was their time in the queue waiting where their mind would be going into overdrive i can't i can't believe i've let my kids down like this. I can't believe this.

And they'd leave before they got to the front of the queue because they couldn't deal with it. Wow. Well, that's amazing you've got so much insight into that. Yeah. And I wonder as well, like, it's interesting because obviously your journey into something like Love Island, which has now given you this ability to use that knowledge. And I suppose for some of the kids that go on that

show they haven't really had that much life experience like that yeah I always say this I say I'm so glad I did it when I did it because especially like when you have when you come out of Love Island especially it's it's a full-time job just those first sort of few weeks of going you know radio podcast tv radio podcast tv and being cabin crew so getting up at all hours of the morning um even when you're knackered having to still put on a sort of persona and being able to talk to people and being able to eat on the go all that sort of trained me so well for those sort of first couple of weeks after love island god yeah what a boot camp um so yeah because i remember seeing one of my friends

from Love Island in the green room at a TV studio. She was like, I've literally only had six hours sleep. I'm so tired. And I was like, you're fine. Yeah, really. And I suppose, yeah, it's interesting because I think what you had to... I mean, firstly, what's clear in spades is your work ethic i mean even you know

going back into even going on your channel and doing the giveaway when you just had a baby and you've got a very newborn son where does this work ethic come from were your parents both working when you were small yes my parents both working and um my mum went back to work when i was a baby and i used to have two days with my nanny and two days with my granny. So I was so close to both of them. And I think actually my granddad is 77. He's had a triple heart bypass and stents and he is still, he has a haulage contractors company

and he still works every single day. Wow. 77 years old, up on the lorry every day. And he is, I think now it's got to the point where he can't give up because it's like if he's retired when he was 55 then he could go and enjoy his life whereas now he's 77 as soon as he retires it's like well what's next um so I think my nan is very you know she decided she wanted an automatic washing machine when her kids were younger and she knew that they couldn't afford one so she got a job one night a week in a nursing home working overnight to save up to buy it wow um because

that's what she wanted so she knew that if she had to go and get it that's what she had to do my parents started their own business uh 20 years ago next year um one of my dad's friends lent him 35 grand to start it and said if it works out pay, pay me back. If it doesn't, we won't talk about it again. And he managed to pay it back within a year. Wow. They're actually funeral directors, randomly. But they, and you know, my mum, again, everyone refers to it sort of in Worthing

as like my dad's business or your dad's business. But it was my mum who kept her old job on for the first six months, nine months I think she did because um just in case it all went wrong so she used to go and work and she had to learn how to run a business basically she used to do like data entry filing right an insurance company she had to learn how to run a business right so she's the admin side of things and she would drop us off at school go and work nine till sort of half past two at my dad's come home sort us out and then go and work six till ten um at the at the insurance company so everyone refers to it as my dad's company my dad's company my dad's company and

actually it was anyone's company really it's my dad's name above the door but it is my mum's hard work that's done it so I think yeah from them that's so I mean I've got so many things I want to talk to you about I'm really interested now about the fact so when you're 10 your parents opened this funeral director's business what did you think about that at the age of 10 that's quite an unusual thing because my dad's always done it okay okay so whenever I go into a florist it brings back memories of so because my mum used to work evenings as well. So if my dad had to go in for the company he used to work for to do like chapel visits and stuff, he'd have to take us with him

and chuck us upstairs in the office while he looked after the family downstairs. And so yeah, so it's always been in my life. And does it give you a better relationship with death? Yes. I am, well, yes, up until seven months ago when I had Stanley that has changed a lot since I had a baby because I think I never thought I was going to get old I thought I thought I was gonna be in my 20s forever and I've got a baby and it's like hurtling and you're 30 I know and

now I'm like oh my god one day we're gonna be nanny and granddad we're gonna be top of the pyramid um but yeah so it has I'm very, very blasé about death. But again, it's because it's been talked about in our house. Like, me and my family will be on our family group chat doing, like, what songs do you want at your funeral? And, like, listing them. And my mum's like, well, you all stop. And Sam's like, my brother, would you have known any of those

if I hadn't just told you? Mum's like, to be fair, no. Just for interest, what's a song you want at your funeral? What do I want? I what did i want i love thank you for the music and since i've decided that i want it because i thought um it's quite like a poignant song about like life and since since hearing that can't hear it without crying now um and uh also the other one is um so never forget by take that awesome song right so my friend was getting married years ago and she kept saying my first dance is this the second song is footloose and the last song has got to be never forget and I kept saying why are you so obsessed the last song and she said

because since I was a little girl I've planned my dream wedding and at the at the end of that song my wedding will be over and then it'll all be someone else's dream. Right. I now live my life by that quote. Someday this will all be someone else's dream. In 20 years time, there's going to be new reality shows and there'll be new, like 20 years ago, people that came out of Big Brother were doing what I'm doing. And in 20 years time, other people will be living my dream life and having a little baby. Like when, you know, when like you see old people in the street and they're like I remember my babies were this big and now they're 50 and I think I'm so lucky

to be raising this amazing little boy but one day I'm gonna cry and one day he'll be 50 and I'll be 80 and that will be it'll be there'll be new people that are having little babies so I literally live my life by that quote now so I want that at my funeral as well okay yeah well I think that's I mean that philosophy is obviously like I can totally see that but it's unusual to be thinking all that at 30 with your new baby and it's quite extraordinary to have that perspective I think um again I think like I said I never thought I was going to get old and now suddenly have you watched the Barbie film yeah you know like her impending thoughts of death that's me you're impending thoughts of death barbie um yeah since having a baby um because like i say i i always thought i was going to be on the bottom rung of the family pyramid uh nanny and granada at the top then mom and dad and then us and i always thought and now

i've i've gone up a rung and I'm like oh dear and you know I've always been so scared about something happening to my grandparents and then people saying to me oh you're so lucky that your parents were around for Stanley being around and I'm like oh yeah I am you're right and it's just it's when we think about it and and just things like I was talking to someone the other day and they were talking about their great auntie who was in a nursing home and they said, you know, she was blind and all they did was put her in a chair and then that night, can't sleep, and I'm like, oh my God, what if one day I'm blind and all they do is put me in a chair?

Listening to Never Forget over and over. I bet you didn't expect any of this when you had me in today, did you? I don't know what I expected. I think I was impressed by you actually and I think you know you're going on question time and those things are part of the changing face of coming from Love Island because I think

this happens with every reality show and you mentioned Big Brother and I think you know we have the bit where it's new and then it kind of becomes part of something where actually the contestants are not it becomes part of the common actually the contestants are not, it becomes part of the common knowledge that some of these people will rise and continue to have careers outside of it. Own each step with Peloton.

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bit for having a new baby too. Yes I've always been like a really bad sleeper and I've always been my mum used to have to she'd be like cooking when I was probably in like year three or four at school she'd be cooking and she'd keep having to come out into the lounge she'd be like cooking, when I was probably in like year three or four at school, she'd be cooking and she'd keep having to come out into the lounge. She'd be like, wake up, wake up, because you're not going to sleep tonight. Because I literally was nocturnal. So I'd come home from school. But now actually, I found out recently that I'm like severely, severely deficient in B12. And I said, see, I wasn't lazy. I was just deficient in B12. And I used to come home from school and fall asleep on the sofa, and then I'd be up all night.

And I've always been like that. So being crew again, like, I always used to say tiredness is a choice because some days I'd land back in the morning from long haul, so I'd been up for like 28 hours. Some days I'd just about make it from the car up to my bed. But if I was going to the races or I was going to Londonon to see a show i'd have to choose not to be tired okay charlotte's choice i get that but for me like after after a long haul flight when i've been up for 28 hours it's like like nine times out of ten i go home and sleep all day but if my friends were going to goodwood

for the day or my friends were going to see the last matinee of a show that we absolutely love in london i'm not going to miss out on that so you'd be there a little bit deranged full fat coke on the way home crying about everything yeah literally literally um and i think also the thing i was um i i have complete respect for cabin crew i think any job that has to deal with members of the public is challenging. Yes. I bet you've seen some sites. I have, indeed. I had one woman once demanding an upgrade, and I was like, no, you can't say...

And do you know what? Had it... It's really bad. I can say this now because I don't work there anymore. Basically, it was in business class. It used to be the front cabin and then the back cabin of business class the back cabin's got like 16 24 seats i think it's like a little cabin and we were on quite a long shuttle in the caribbean over to providentiales which was like two hours each way and there was actually all you gave out was like a little juice couplet

so i used to say as a cab manager okay half of us work on the way out half of us work on the way home easy right so the back of club was empty so I was like perfect we can sit in there watch telly lovely this lady's like can I sit in here I was like oh no sorry like you can't sit in there um and she kept on on and had it been any other shuttle I'd probably been like yeah no it's fine but because we could sit in there I was like yeah no sorry like you closed and also you haven't paid for it you've paid for a world traveler plus seat so you sit there for asking anyway she wouldn't stop and she kept coming like she kept bounding up to the front galley to shout at me again and um she's like you know you're a jobs worth you're this i said yes and you are a world traveler plus passenger and you need to go and sit back down there um and then because it became

a battle i was like i'm gonna win this um so again I was sat down in the cabin talking to another passenger um because I was very that kind of cabin manager like I'd sit down on like an empty seat to be like so how was your holiday I can picture and I saw her um fly up the other aisle and I was like is it me you want to talk to yes and I got up I want your name I said you can have my name and my staff number I was like, is it me you want to talk to? Yes. Yes, and I go, I want your name. I said, you can have my name and my staff number. I was like, just so it's really easy for them to find. So I literally ripped a sticker off the canister

and wrote down Amy Hart and my staff number. I was like, there you go. I was like, would you like the email address you need to send it to? She's like, yeah. I thought, there you go. I was like, you email them and tell them I wouldn't give you a free upgrade. I was like, put my staff number in it as well so they can find me really easily. No wonder you find child rearing okay.

But then... You've had to deal with all these adults that are kids. But then on the flip side, I was also a very naughty CSAM because I'd be like, do you like that wine, madam? Would you like a bottle to take off for your holiday? Oh, that's my favourite kind of cabin crew. And people used to say, are you allowed to do that? I was like, it's my aircraft. I can do what I like. I'm so disappointed you're not still flying.

Make sure I'm on all your flights. I literally used to, I used to, one year I did a run of like Friday night Malagas. So I had all like the commuters. So all like the gold card holders. So by like the third one, they'd have, like we didn't do boarding drinks on short haul, but I looked in the passenger list, knew all their names.

So when they got on, they had their drinks on their seats already wow yeah so what made you take the plunge and do something totally different um and nobody ever believed me when I say this but believe me when I say I literally wanted to find a boyfriend and I couldn't find one and nobody matched my energy and nobody was as like zingy as me. I feel like I've lost a bit of my zing since having a lot of therapy. Because I think I'm more chilled in myself now. Before I was always putting on a show. But nobody was as zingy as me. And I thought, I'd never watched Love Island before.

And I watched series four because everyone used to talk about it on the plane. And I used to be like, I don't watch it, I don't watch it. And someone said, look, you're going to have to talk about it for the next eight weeks. You might as well watch it. So I took my iPad to the gym and watched the first episode on The Cross Trainer, and the first episode finished, and I was like, when is the next one? Like, how, like, can I watch it?

Is there, like, a first look? Like, can I watch any more? And I absolutely loved it. I never missed an episode. I was obsessed. And then when it was like, you know, do you want to apply? Like, applications for next year are open. I was like, oh, I think I do.

Because there were so many couples in that last sort of last chunk that would never have met anywhere else and looked seemingly happy. Obviously none of them are together now. But I believed in love. And I was like, I could go on and meet like someone that I'm never going to meet anywhere else there. And I'd never really believed in manifesting or anything and I'm not sure that it was manifesting but I never said I would like to go on Love Island I never said I'm going to apply for Love Island I said I'm

going to go on Love Island I was like I'm going to go on Love Island next year and everyone's like we're going to apply so now I'm going to go on it well and as I understand it out of 130,000 applicants you're one of the 35 selected, which is an astonishing statistic, you know? And I suppose for you now, looking back, that time must feel like a different world, really. I mean, people have a few life-changing events. And I guess probably, I don't know, starting work with BA would maybe be one of them.

Finding out you're going to do Love Island. And then meeting your boyfriend and having your baby. So from where you are now, how do you feel about looking back to that time when you were about to suddenly put yourself on this different platform? I remember, so I was really excited and I couldn't tell anyone. And the problem is I'd been sent a phone, I'm going to be on Love Island, I'm going to be on Love Island. And then when I got my final call back,

Lewis, one of the producers, said to me on the phone, and you can't tell anyone. And I thought, I've already told everyone. I can't keep secrets either. I had to put some quote pictures on Instagram and Facebook, like sad quotes about some things just aren't for you. And everyone was like, what's wrong? I was like, I didn't get Love Island.

Very good. That's impressive. And then I had to tell everyone, yeah, I didn't get it. And it was really embarrassing because people that, like, hated me were like, oh, how's Love Island going? And I was like, oh, I didn't get it. And they were like, mm-hmm. And I was thinking, I actually have got it.

That's a nice feeling. Yeah. And then I remember the last gym, I was going on the Saturday. Actually, no, I'll go back one. So your flight isn't confirmed um for us I'd known for sort of six weeks but your flight isn't confirmed and Tuesday night I pulled into the gym car park and like I used to be able to run for like four minutes at a time and then have to walk for a bit and then run a bit more and uh pulled into the gym car park on Tuesday night and I got a text saying hi Amy just to let

you know your flight's been confirmed for Saturday lunchtime and I was like oh okay um and I ran for an hour without stopping like adrenaline wow just fizzing adrenaline ran for an hour without stopping um and then the Friday was my last gym session and we used to start my leg session with um jumping on the box and I used to be able to do 10 fine we got to number 23 of me going on my knees because I couldn't do it. And my trainer said, do you want to try something else? I was like, yeah, okay, so try something else. And then I just burst into tears.

And I said, the thing is, my life's going to change tomorrow and I don't know how it's going to change. It could change in a really good way or I could come back a national hate figure. And there's no in between. So I was like, I'm so scared and but they said to us you know if it gets leaked you don't get to go if it gets leaked you don't get to go um so I was so like like stressed and I'm not an early riser and I was waking up at three

o'clock in the morning every morning um with like oh my god is it gonna get leaked and then it got leaked on the Friday night and I was driving along um and i just said goodbye to my best friend and driving along my phone was on the seat and i could i saw it flash i saw it flash again and flash again and again and again and again so i pulled over and i got my phone and it was i knew it i knew it and i literally just and i was trying to delete my Facebook and I couldn't delete my Facebook because people were posting on my wall like just send about Love Island and I don't know what I thought deleting my Facebook was going to do when it was in the sun um but and I called one of the producers in tears I was like am I still allowed to go and they were like yes it's fine they'll

see you tomorrow and that was the first good night's sleep I had for the previous six weeks because once that that was the worst thing that could have happened. And it happened and it wasn't that bad. It's a lot of pressure to put you under, to be fair, to say it was not going to leak because actually the news always gets out somewhere and it's most likely not from you, actually. I know, yeah. I don't know how, yeah.

Those stories are always big. And it's interesting as well that you had already had the self-awareness of like my life is about to change in one way or another and I'm not quite sure which way there's it's a weird feeling you know you're going to do it you're running along into something and you're just like I was driving on the precipice I was going to the gym every single night um and I was driving home one night um and like the town was empty um and I was driving through and I've lived in Worthing my whole life I still live there now I remember I was just driving through and I drove through like where I've grown up and I was a bit like I'm going to be away from here for five weeks that's a lot

well up to eight weeks and that's the longest I will ever have been away like the longest I've been away from Worthing was two weeks um and I was like it's the longest I'm ever going to be away and when I come back things will have changed and I remember that was a really weird feeling as well. Yeah, it's like sort of stepping outside of your life a little bit. And, I mean, look, you know, disclosure, Richard and I have watched so much Love Island. Like, we've given over, if we add it all up, it's probably like a couple of months' worth of our life to watching Love Island.

When you jump into it, it's a big commitment. You know, it's, you know, every night. I don't understand why people think that's a bad, I know you're not saying it's a bad thing, i'm quite happy about it people are so proud they've never watched an episode of love island yeah they're missing out and i'm like i mean it's one of the greatest shows on television like the way that it's filmed the way that um like it's so easy to follow and it's like it's just it's just great and it's like i've i've just got really back into eastenders yeah so I'm literally obsessed.

Yeah, I've seen that on your Twitter. There's a lot of EastEnders chat. I'm literally obsessed. Like, I'm part of the Twitter fandom now. And again, when I say to people, do you watch EastEnders? And they're like, no, I never watch any soaps. I'm like, why?

It's the box set that never ends. Yeah, and also there's credit where credit's due. Particularly with reality. Yes, and with any show. I mean, obviously with EastEnders, they're and with any show i mean obviously with east enders they're dealing with drama yeah but with reality shows what i love is the craft of creating those shapes and that narrative yeah i think it's genius and with love island they've got to turn it around quick yeah it's really impressive and it can change and i love how um you know it's all

about timing isn't it they say like you can die a hero or live to be a villain and that is so true with love island because it's all about timing when i left we'd been up for a up for dumping the night before um if we'd gone home that night i wouldn't still be working now like i don't think um i i'd be working, but not doing this. If we'd gone home that night, it would have been like, oh, yeah, she was well annoying. Like, all she did was cry. She's so horrible. But then my leaving, and I didn't know it at the time because I literally just left.

Obviously, I didn't know there was going to be the sad music behind my leaving speech. I'm just very dramatic. And leaving then would have, like, that was, like, the best thing for me because if I'd stayed I would have just turned into a really horrible jealous person um and again it would have been horrible so it's all about timing yeah I mean I don't I understand why you would say or where things would have been I think things might have felt different to you but obviously firstly you

were doing what worked for you but secondly I very much doubt you would have just gone away because so much of what you're doing now is about yeah opportunities you create yeah um can i ask a really superficial question before we go on to talk a bit more about stanley um why did the love island never have any mosquito bites it's a question richard and i ask each other all the time because we we get loads of those big you know horrible like 26 bumps on each leg yeah I just had that in Spain a couple weeks ago so why not why is everybody why do we not have a love island what are they doing because we're so high up ah that's it I'm not I'm not holidaying high enough no it's like right onto like we were next to like a farm with

like cornfields the fact that even people that never had hay fever in their life we were all on double dose morning and evening a really really strong antihistamine right like one point callum like couldn't see because he'd rubbed his eyes so much yeah no mozzies well it's an impressive that that is as impressive as a lot of the other stuff that goes on in love thank you for asking my fan question but i've never been asked that question so thank you for asking it i thought you're gonna say why do we never see you eat? That's what I always get. I realise, because it's not very exciting to see people eat.

I can work that one out a bit. They leave out so much good stuff. They're eating, and they don't have to leave out any more good stuff. Now we see them eat, just to reassure everybody that there are meal times in the villa. So I don't need to ask you

if you always wanted to be a mum because i know that that's the case in fact do you remember talking about a baby called lola do you remember who lola was because i listened to an interview you did and it turned out to be published the month before you would have met sam ah and you're talking about how you envisaged yourself having a baby, just one, a little girl called Lola. Yes, and Sam kiboshed the name Lola as soon as we met. Yes, because I said, when I was going to have a baby on my own. Yeah.

Yes. And now I'm like, I want ten. Really? Yeah. It's given you an appetite for large families. I like even numbers, because I'm big in my into my theme parks so I always say it's just like one if I was gonna have a baby on my own I'd just have to have one because obviously like how would I how would I maneuver that with like you're thinking of the rides which you do in pairs yeah sometimes you're like five yeah yeah

I mean um I know you'll love Tower of Terror which is also my favourite ride in the whole world you can fit like 24 in there I can't be like there's an American family that I follow and they've got 16 children 9 adopted, 7 biological that's amazing

that's a lot of people so what podcast was that on? or what interview was that on? that was so I listened to a few um it might have been the one you did one with grazia that i listened to and you also did one called the law of attraction changed my life yes i think it's so francesca amber actually she i she mentioned me in her podcast last week because i still listen to it now and she was saying about you know trust the timing of your life and she was talking about how she gives out advice doesn't't take it. You know, I told Amy Hart to make more space in her life

and then she'd meet a boyfriend. She made more space in her life, then she met a boyfriend. She's like, have I done that? No. She's like, she's had a baby, she's engaged. That's impressive. I know you were talking, but you had real clarity. And you obviously had, I mean, it's quite young to have already thought about how you would make strides into motherhood.

Yeah. But I think it might have been around the time would make strides into motherhood. Yeah. But I think it might have been around the time that you were looking into your fertility. Yes. And you'd had a blood test which indicated that your egg reserves were on the lower side of average. Yeah. Which is a standard blood test that any woman might do at any point. She just wants to work out kind of where things are at.

Yeah. So they told me my AMH was eight. And I was like, oh, eight out of ten. Lovely. No, no. Six to 20 is the scale and uh mine was eight so i was like oh okay um so yeah my mum had always um said like you know even if you didn't meet someone i'd always want you to be mum so um you know i'd totally support you and i mean even though i have met someone had a baby now she does still support me she is my main supporter, she's mine and Sam's main supporter. We are.

We're very much together on that. But he always says, we've just been hollow with mum and dad. And when they left, he was like, oh my God, your mum and dad do so much for us. That's brilliant. And this is the thing, we always say we want two or four kids.

And Sam said after they went home, actually, he was like, I don't know how fair it is in your mum and dad for us to have four kids. I was like, we could get a nanny or something like there's a factor them into everything literally he's like because we're like oh we're getting ready to go out dad you're ready here's stanley like my mum like stanley the first morning we're on holiday um he woke up like early before he got himself into his nice holiday routine of going to bed at midnight and waking up at 10 a.m um wow yeah because he comes out for dinner with us sits in the high chair has

his dinner at nine o'clock he loves it i love that he's a lion yeah not all babies do that by the way um no matter how late they go to bed this morning i was supposed to drop him into my mum's um and i had to phone her and be like hi i need to leave and he's still asleep so can you sam's here but can you come sam's got a meeting at nine so can you come for like five to nine so yeah and i phoned her at half nine she said i'm just sat in your bed stanley's still asleep um but dream baby yeah so like he'd wake up at maybe like half seven um and my mum would come out of her and be like i've been up for an hour so give him to me you go back to bed and i'd be like thank you awesome so yeah so she was always like i would never want you to miss out so i would always support you um in having a baby on your own.

So that was why I was so... Because I... And again, that is recognising privilege, I would say, in that financially I had the support to do it. My mum and dad paid for my first round of egg freezing because they're like, grandchildren! And, you know, the fact that my mum is able to do my child care and the fact that I could have if I'd had a baby on my own I would have just moved back into my mum and dad's house it'd been fine um because I didn't really think about how lucky I was with all those things

because in our family grandparents have always done the child care so like I say my grandparents did all our child care now my mum and dad are doing all mine um and I forget that's not everyone's situation and so when people are like oh you know I haven't met anyone I'm 35 and I'm like just have one on your own and they're like and I now realize that it's not as easy as just having one on your own it's not but I do think I remember one of my girlfriends when we were about 37, she was like, oh, I'm single and I really want to have a baby. And I was like, look, it might be worth just thinking,

if it hasn't happened by a certain point, you might investigate some other ways. Because there's lots of ways to have a family. And, you know, you've got your first choice, which is probably falling in love with someone. But then there's loads of other ways in between. So it's just about thinking it through. But I suppose for you, when you'd had the blood test results and you're freezing your eggs, that's unusual to have that sort of worry

that you might not have as long as an average woman might have with their fertility. And that sometimes can put a bit of pressure on an early relationship. Yeah, I mean, Sam always says now, he's like, when I first met you he was like you were a lot he's like and you are a lot he's like but now i've got to know you more i understand so sam's quite indecisive and so the thing that does the most that annoys me love you if you're listening um the thing that is the most that annoys me love you if you're listening um thing that does the most that annoys me is i'll say shall we do this and he goes could do uh are we gonna do or are we not like is it a yes or no we've actually been quite good for each other because i am do it now or worry about it later what's the worst that's gonna happen just do it just buy it just like order it

whatever let's just book the holiday whatever sam is like we need to weigh up the pros and the cons and the risks and the rewards and then we need to sleep on it for three weeks and then we need to decide so we've sort of met in the middle with that but when we first met I was a bit like if this isn't going anywhere like don't waste my time basically um and he says now like if when I first met him I'd said I want to be engaged with the baby within two and a half years he'd have been like whoa but he's like but it has actually all been absolute perfect timing and I feel like we are like exactly where we need to be and I guess if he's you know that's what happens in relationship and that you sort of learn a bit from each other as well if he's taken the plunge with a couple of things

and it's turned out okay, that might give him a bit more of that. But also with you, you said, you know, you feel like, you said you lost a bit of your zing, but maybe it's you found your, oh, I was going to say found your zen. That's very cheesy. But, you know, like sometimes things temper, don't they?

Well, it's like when I say about my zing, so when I had my therapy after Love Island, so it's like an aftercare thing from ITV and it's like when i say about my thing so um with when i have my therapy after love island um so it's like a aftercare thing from itv and it's absolutely amazing and i had my therapist i had in the villa so she knew me inside out anyway um before love island i would always be wearing some ridiculous outfit i'd always have big hair extensions like you know i'd everyone always be like what is she wearing today type thing and now i don't feel like i need to do that i do like to still wear i feel like my clothes are boring now because i feel

like my core beliefs which um they say should be called core fears because they're not true were i was unlikable i wasn't good enough i was ugly and i can't remember the fourth one which is really good because obviously it's not in my head at all now yeah that is good um but so they were those were my sort of core blitz also that's the voice in you just telling you these things over and over so you're almost your own critic yeah sitting there watching you so um I would put 150% into every single friendship that I had apart from my very very very best friends that were like over the thresholds I'm not right you're you're in the safe zone I know you like me so I don't need to put 150 which is really bad um but so I would you know and I would always like want to be sort of like standing out and you know um and then as

soon as I had all that therapy and I realized that no actually I'm a good person and my friends do like me for me and you know I'm not ugly and I am good enough then it sort of like brings you like you said it brings you back down to your zen and i'm now a bit more chilled about everything yeah i'm sorry you had that voice in your head because i think that's very hard to well it sounds brilliant your therapist managed to help you with it but i think so many of us walk around with that yes and i know i've had i had that exactly i mean i've every show i do i could you know i don't do this to myself now because i've grown out of it a lot and found, probably been on a similar thing,

not so much with therapy, but probably through my friends and talking to people. But I could do a review for you of most stuff I've done and it would be scathing. You know, I can give myself like a one-star review for everything and pick up on some really key points of exactly where I'd scuppered it. So I think we can be really hard on ourselves. And then it's an unusual thing.

I mean, did you know that about yourself before you did Love Island? No. Or was that these things you discovered? I am nosy. I am nosy by design. And being nosy about yourself is the best thing ever. I did CBT, so I had this big chart, and we filled different bits in every week,

and you sort of learn about, like, things that happen to you when you're younger, like, just things that people might have said to you at school then affect you when you're older. Yeah. And it was like, it's like pulling the rug away, and, like, you learn it, and, you know, I'm trying to get all my friends to do it.

I'm like, you need to go to therapy. I'm like, now I understand why all Americans have a therapist. Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's much easier to remember criticism than praise. Yeah. And if someone, if you've got, you know, nine people that say something positive and one says something negative, you'll be like, that's probably the voice I should be listening to,

which I don't know why we give criticism such credit like that. Similarly, when people see you do well on something, a big show like Love Island that loads of people are watching, people think they're being the clever person if they're the one that gives you the nasty comment because they think everybody else is telling you the good stuff. And if they say, oh, that wasn't great when you did that, you're going to go, oh, you're someone being honest with me.

Thank you. I need you in my life because you're giving me an honest view and everybody else is just saying the nice stuff. Actually, it's like a power dynamic. It's cruel. It's not kind. And it's good that you know you can shrug all that off and that will help you as well with stanley and helping him with yes how he feels about himself and how he yeah tunes into the voices again i stop at night and i'm thinking what happens if

stanley gets bullied at school you've got like you've got all these what ifs like you're sitting there in the nursing home I know but he's just I just love him so much when people used to put love him so much about their kids on social media I'd put we know you do you don't need to write it and now I'm like oh my god I love him so much

he's just he's such a happy little boy and I am so lucky and there's a meme that goes around and it's like um the first birthday party shouldn't be for the baby it should be for the mum she's given up a year of her life she's given up her body she's had sleepless nights she's had this she's had that and I read it out at a family dinner and my mum went yeah no I don't think you can I don't think you can accuse Stanley of any of that I was like yeah no you're right you're right

and my nan's always like you know your next one's not going to be like this don't think you can accuse Stanley of any of that. I was like, yeah, no, you're right, you're right. And my nan's always like, you know your next one's not going to be like this, are you? Slept through the night from seven weeks. Oh, wow. But like 11pm till like 10am. Oh my goodness. He cries when he's hungry.

He's a food monster. He cries when he's hungry, but as soon as you put the bottle in, he's fine. He loves, like the only thing, like, weaning, I think we're up to, like, 54 foods. The only thing he didn't like was scrambled eggs. And, yeah, he's just happy. He's just so cute.

That's the best. Happy babies are great. Yes. Can I ask you if you're still planning, because you said before that you were thinking with your eggs that you froze, that you would, the ones you didn't use, you would donate.

Is that still something you're thinking of? Yes. I think that's to say and lots of people say oh no because what have you had a child I'm like it's not my baby it's not my baby because I've had a lot of friends that have had babies with donor eggs I'm like okay so woman from Instagram do you want to come and tell my friend that baby that she carried for nine months and gave birth to and brings up isn't her child because it's not her egg. Like, no. Yeah. And I find it, it's so funny,

because if there's ever, like, you know, a step-parent in the media, if they're not fully involved, people are like, oh, they treat them differently because it's not their child and it's so awful and, you know, like, you should treat... And then as soon as it's like, oh, I want to donate my eggs, it's like, yeah, but this can be your child walking around it's like whoa whoa i thought we're going like the kids that you bring up the kids that are in your house like the kids that like you look after are your kids yeah but also when people have those comments it's always about

their own relationship with it it's not really about you are they ever going to meet these well this is the thing so sam i never thought about this but Sam is, the other thing he's made, he's so level-headed. People slag me off all the time for having my mum as my childcare, right? God, people will slag off anything. I know. I never see my child, obviously.

I never, ever see him. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever see Stanley. He doesn't even know who I am. And because my mum has always got him. Always, always, always, right? And I am like like and I get really annoyed because I'm like that's not the case like she literally has him when I work and I always say like no need to justify it to me I always say like to people you know um I was packing for holiday

once I said I need to go home pack for three hours mum's got Stanley and someone's like I can't believe you've given your baby to mum while you pack for holiday and I'm like well the two options are he sits under his play mat while I pack or he goes to my mum's where he's got my mum my dad my best friend that lives with my mum dad because he used to live with me and then I got pregnant I had to kick him out so he went to mum dad's um various family members that when they hear Stanley's there pop in he gets undivided attention and it takes me less time to pack but sam's thing is maybe the people that are complaining don't have any family support and i'm like you're right yeah i think that's what it boils down to because i think that's the thing about your the unit that

you create is that you sort of feel like so long as everything is right within that like other people will never know what it is like to walk in your shoes. Only you have your baby. Yeah, exactly. And if everything is working and it's full of love and support, like, that's the best way to bring a baby if you can. But going back to the donation thing, I definitely would because so many of my friends have had to use donor eggs.

And luckily there was a bountiful bank of them. Brilliant. And I can't say to my friends, you know, have you thought about donut eggs if I can't practice what I've preached? And also, especially now I've got Stanley and I'm like, oh my God, I want someone else to have this. Oh, hear, hear to that. I think that's brilliant. I mean, have you got future plans

or are you just kind of following your nose at the moment? We're getting married next summer. Congratulations. Thank you. And then I will have the coil put in after I had Stanley. And it's been the best thing ever. My skin is so clear. And also, I accidentally got pregnant.

I spent 15 grand freezing my eggs and then got pregnant by accident. So I found out two weeks before my 30th birthday, the huge Mamma Mia-themed 30th birthday that I'd planned. I'd spent so much money on that I then couldn't drink. So I was like, I'm not being pregnant for my wedding. No way. So I was like, right, what is the only way that I'm definitely doing it? And they're like, right, put the coil in.

So I'll have that out after our honeymoon and then try for another one. Amazing. When I said future plans, I thought you were going to be like, I'm going to keep lobbying the government. Oh, yeah, sorry. I thought you meant with babies. Oh, yeah, and also keep lobbying the government and keep going on lots of cruises and keep travelling.

Just live in for today. We're literally, again again like my other grandparents not the ones that still live my grandparents that sadly died there's this beautiful picture of them on a cruise um and six months they were like 59 and six months later my granny was diagnosed with parkinson's and their whole life turned on its head and it was never the same again and we have all of us have got that picture in our houses. And I like, every time I look at that, I'm like, just do it. Just do it. Like, don't put off going on holiday.

Don't put off doing this. Don't put off doing that. Like, just do it. Well, it's served you well so far, Amy. It has. Cheers to that. And cheers to your, what sounds like a very merry wedding next summer. Oh my God, yes, yes.

that and cheers to your what sounds like a very merry wedding next summer oh my god yes yes it's so nice to listen back to actually because I really enjoyed enjoyed talking to Amy and a few things really stayed with me not least the fact that she's not afraid to use her platform and I I don't know if you follow her on Instagram already but I find her a really very clear voice and I really like her approach to things and her baby's very sweet too and you see lots of him so that was really fun plus it's I've always wondered what it feels like to be picked up and twirled around by those types you know by a show like Love Island those big juggernauts of a tv show that are you know center stage when they're televised. And you've come at it from something, you know, another world like, you know, working air crew, air cabin crew, like Amy did. And suddenly you're in a whole new sphere and you've got to navigate it.

But actually, I like the fact that Amy's like, actually, I really loved what I did when I was working with British Airways. I was really happy there. happy there so you know she's in a different place but she's got lots of fond memories of where she what she was doing before and all the work that went with it um sorry I am I must confess I'm a little bit distracted I've basically as I told you I just got back from being away and now I've run into a private room to do this, and yeah, here we go, about to be found, it was too good to last, but I am happy to be home, I really miss the kids, and it was time to return to normality and reality, but I do think spending a weekend with my mum and my siblings has been really special, actually, you know, we've never done that before,

we've never gone away, just the four of us, like that. And it was really, really lovely. And everybody, it turns out, has got their own relationship with Paris because we're all lucky enough to have been there lots of times for work or for trips. And, you know, you get the train and it's so quick, isn't it, from London. But it meant that there were loads of places we all wanted to go to and lots of overlap. Hold on. Yes, Jessie?

Jessie, just... Can I come in? You can come in. I'm just finishing saying something and then... I've been on there for three hours. Okay, sit down here. So can I go? In a minute, yes, you can.

In a minute? Now listen to what's going to happen. I'm going to take Mickey to bed. Okay? I'm taking Mickey to bed. I want him to go off now. I know. Listen, I finish this i get mickey off

what are you doing i'm just recording the outro okay of my podcast can you remember what my podcast is about no no wait no no no no no those are his don't touch them mickey no mickey's got like a little secret stash of biscuits in his room biscuits andiscuits and chocolates. Actually, what is such a fifth kid thing? How many is there? I know how many there are. There are seven Oreos left in that packet. When he next has one, I'll ask him to give one to you. Do you remember he did last time? But it's not a Sunday night thing, Jesse, okay?

Anyway, you don't need any part of this, I'm sorry. Mainly, thank you for listening and yeah, what have I got next week oh I've got a really lovely one for you next week so my guest next week is a woman called Sophie Darlington who is a wildlife camera woman so she goes away for weeks on end. You know when you watch the footage and it'll be like, I don't know, a moment where a penguin looks after his baby on the ice and then waddles off and does something very interesting.

Sorry, I'm not explaining this very well. Anyway, she's one of the people that we see there with our camera, a long lens, waiting for the magic moment when, you know, the penguin does that thing. And she spent hours waiting for that thing to happen. I'm sure I have reeled you in with that amazing description. But genuinely, what an incredible job. She does long lens, wildlife camera work. And I thought, how is that to go into that space and leave your family life behind while you go and film so dot dot dot come back next week to hear from her she's lovely and thank you so much for Amy Hart for talking to me and thank you to Richard for editing my

podcast and sorry I'm so late with um my my my introduction this week and my signing off this week. But I had my head turned by Gay Paris. And what can I say? The city got to me. And thank you to Claire Jones for producing. Thank you to Ella May for your beautiful artwork. But mainly, of course, thank you to you for lending me your ears.

I really appreciate it. And it's good to have you. And if you're new to the podcast, perhaps you've stumbled into my podcast because you think, who is the woman that does this song I've only just heard? If that's what's happened, because that does seem to have happened to some people that they have just been introduced to me, which is a funny idea after doing what I do for a long time. Anyway, go and have a look there's loads of podcasts loads of interesting guests i want to say thank you to jesse for being so

beautifully quiet while i record i love you and um yeah if you've been here for ages you've been here before thanks very much coming again good to have you back thanks for your time and i will speak to you again hopefully next week. Lots of love. Have a good one. Look after yourself. Bye. On each step with Peloton, from their pop runs to walk and talks, you define what it means to be a runner. Whatever your level, embrace it. Journey starts when you say so.

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