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Episode Date: January 20, 2024Yogurt has been touted as a health food, but is it? Maybe. If you eat it every day. We get into the rich and creamy history of this supposed miracle food in today's episode. Get an earful of the stuff... in this classic episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Howdy everyone. Chuck here on a Saturday bringing you another fine selection from our back catalog is Yogurt A Miracle Food. This is from November
2018 and you know, yogurt's pretty good for you guys. It's something you should be eating.
Perhaps even a miracle food. Do we answer that question? Is yogurt a miracle food? Perhaps.
Listen in and find out right now.
Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio.
Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
I'm Josh Clark.
There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry,
and this is the smooth, creamy, tangy addition of stuff you should know.
Fruit on the bottom.
You don't like yogurt or fruit on the bottom yogurt?
I don't like fruit on the bottom.
Okay, but you do like yogurt.
Yeah, I don't like any of the the fruity ones.
I mean they taste fine.
But I think they're just like loaded with sugar generally in sweeteners and things.
Well, yeah, it's not fruit
It's like jam on the bottom
Jelly, you know
Do you like yogurt? Yeah, I love yogurt as a matter of fact while we were researching this I was like I can't I can't stand it any
Longer I got up and got some yogurt. Do you eat it regularly?
Not as much as I should although I recently did a blood test and my protein was low strangely,
so I'm going to start eating more.
Okay.
What?
I was just curious.
You sounded like, yeah, I'll believe that when I see it.
No, no, no.
I was just curious what your yogurt intake was.
What about you?
You eat it every day?
No, I should.
Like, I don't eat yogurt much. I'm constantly slapping it on my kid's baby plate. And she loves it. And
Emily eats it. And I'm like, I need to eat more yogurt. I mean, I like it. I just don't
think about it much. Yeah. What I do is sometimes in a like a hotel or anywhere where they have
the sort of build your own parfait thing. Yes. Though a little granola or granula in there.
Maybe a little bit of fresh fruit and mix that all up.
And I love it.
And I'm like, I should do this every day because as we will find out,
the benefits of eating yogurt, which are sort of up in the air,
as far as like hard facts, but it seems like sort of up in the air as far as like hard facts,
but it seems like sort of regularly eating yogurt
is kind of one of the keys to getting the health benefits.
That seems to be generally agreed upon.
And not like, oh, I ate yogurt today.
That means I'm 8% healthier.
Right, yeah, that's not how it works.
Although I think it is like just temporarily
you're doing better for a second than you were before,
but you know, what else?
Let me give you a hint buddy.
Find a local beekeeper, and I mean local,
like no more than five, six miles from your house.
Okay, got one.
Okay, great.
Take a little of that honey, drizzle it on some nice
full fat Greek yogurt.
Sit back and enjoy. You will be, that's
all you need. That's it. If you want to add some other stuff like some sliced almonds
or whatever on it, that's fine too or fruit and granola. I find really good raw local
honey and Greek yogurt, it's just like you're eating health is what it feels like.
Yeah. I mean, I like the taste on its own. Yeah.
But you get the health benefits from that honey too.
You do.
Yeah.
I mean, throw some broccoli in there.
Throw a little broccoli in there, the Tonka truck.
Anything you can find.
Just put it under your yogurt and start eating.
And we covered some of this stuff
in our probiotics cast.
Yeah, a lot.
From how many years ago was that?
2014.
Okay, four years ago.
But I felt like Yogurt deserved to live on its own.
I was incredulous at first, but I came around actually.
I was like, Chuck's right.
So let's get into it.
I guess we should talk history.
Yes.
Because Yogurt is one of those kind of great accidental
discoveries that came from many, many years ago,
kind of like a beer and stuff like that.
Because people, they think it's pretty clear
that at some point, many thousands of years ago
in the Middle East,
people were transporting stuff like milk, maybe like a goat's milk or whatever.
Probably goat and sheep first. Yeah, and they were transporting that in whatever disgusting animal bladder or whatever they used
to transport liquids and things like that. They got there and they're like,
liquids and things like that. They got there and they were like, ah, this stuff is turned.
It stinks.
But you know, it's a thousand years from being civilized humanity, so let's just try this
stuff.
Like who's going to care or no?
Somebody clarked me some honey.
So they clarked themselves a little honey. They ate a little bit of it. It was, you know, thicker now and it had this kind
of sour tangy taste. Yeah. And one of those ancient Middle Eastern people said, hey, this
is not bad. Right. And I think there's this guy named Adam Maskovich who wrote a post on the salt
that who basically said,
it's not entirely an understatement to say like civilization was
in part built on yogurt.
That was pretty neat.
It really was because so all of a sudden you have milk
and everybody at the time was like,
I can feed this to my kid, but I can't keep milk down.
I poop all over my saddle basically
while we're out riding
because this is the Mongolian steps, right?
But I have found that this weird, tangy version,
the sour version of milk that you call yogurt,
like that doesn't affect me at all.
It's the weirdest thing.
And so as more people were able to eat this stuff,
which is full of nutrients, lots of calories,
and it has a tantalizing taste,
people kind of gathered around the areas that had yogurt
and other stuff too, he points out like cheese
and things like that and bread and beer.
It's possible beer was the real reason
that civilization was started.
But the yogurt played no small role
in that in its fermentation,
it has transformed from something
that people who are lactose intolerant can't take
to something that people who are lactose intolerant
can't actually eat and benefit from.
Yeah, so they had that conversation and at the end of it, one of them said,
also is it weird that we're humans
and we're drinking animal milk as adults?
And they went, don't worry about that.
Yeah, they said, stop thinking yourself
as more than an animal, you're an animal.
So, it really thrived in the Middle East.
They love the stuff like you were talking about.
It's actually a Turkish word, yogurt is, and it took a little bit longer to catch up to
Europe.
I think at the end of the 19th century is really when it started to spread wide in Europe.
And then here in the United States, it took to like the middle half of the 20th century
when it was mass marketed by Danon for,
and it's not like we didn't eat yogurt at all,
but definitely not like, I mean, in the Middle East,
it was, it's not like, oh, we'll just eat some of this
for breakfast with fruit.
I mean, it's in a lot of great, great dishes and dips
and sauces and it's kind of one of the staples
of a lot of Middle Eastern food.
So they're doing it right.
Yeah, and so the Middle East seems to be the home of yogurt.
It was the home of civilization
and they think that yogurt's as old as civilization,
maybe a little older.
And Turkey seems to be some sort of like kind of fulcrum
for the spread of yogurt throughout the world.
And in fact, the word yogurt is a Turkish word.
It comes from yogurt mak,
which is Turkish meaning to thicken.
And Turkey, the fact that we in the English-speaking world
call it yogurt suggests that it was the Turks
who introduced the West to yogurt. But they're also pretty sure that Turkey was the Turks who introduced the West to yogurt,
but they're also pretty sure that Turkey was the ones
who introduced yogurt to India as well.
And the neighbors, the neighboring areas around Turkey,
like Bulgaria, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Iran,
like all these areas are pretty famous
for eating a lot of yogurt
and even having their own kind of yogurt
Or their own version of it
But something about Turkey really seems to be the the like the pivot point for the spread of yogurt in the world
Yeah, and I can't find oh, yeah, here it is
even today it says that
Turkish people eat
About and this was like four or five years ago, 282 cups of yogurt per person per year,
which is definitely more than in the United States.
Well, it was at the time. We've since caught up quite a bit.
I think that stat for us is poundage though, right?
Yes.
How many pounds of yogurt do we eat?
So we ate 4.8 billion pounds of yogurt in 2017.
What?
4.8 billion pounds in the United States alone.
And yeah, we're not like the highest yogurt eating
civilization on the planet by far,
but that's like about the 15 pounds per person.
13.7 pounds per person, which really it sounds like a lot,
but yogurt weighs a lot.
So it's actually just 36 servings per person per year
in the United States.
Wow. So that's yeah, in Turkey, 282 cups.
Yeah, that's a lot.
That's a lot.
Yeah. So Chuck, like you cups. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah.
So Chuck, like you were saying,
like yogurt didn't really make its way over to the States
until the 20th century, right?
Yes.
And I think it was, and you said it was Danon
that brought it here.
That's right, in the Bronx.
Yeah, they moved their operations from Spain,
Barcelona, I think, to the Bronx,
which is really weird because like America was not a yogurt eating culture at all.
No pun intended.
Not really, no.
But they brought yogurt to a place that where in the world would be the hardest place to get a foothold business-wise.
Let's move our operations there.
So they moved it to the Bronx and then just started slowly working on America.
And it wasn't until they figured out
the fruit on the bottom thing that America said,
oh, okay, we like this.
It's sweet.
It's not some disgusting tangy, soured milk.
We can put like compote and jam in it and it's good.
And that is when it started to take off.
And basically you have Dan and yogurt to thank
for bringing yogurt to America.
And it wasn't until, what maybe 2010 or 13
before we finally started to shed all the extra gunk
and actually get into yogurt the way that
the rest of the world's been eating it for thousands of years
with like what we call Greek yogurt.
The way the good Lord intended. That's right. You want to take a break? Yeah. Cool. All right.
Well, we're about to take a break and we're going to come back with more yogurt.
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All right, so we talked about probiotics in the episode on probiotics.
Yeah, this was a good episode if I remember correctly.
It was. So as a brief recap, probiotics in food, they're like culture concentrates in some foods.
Sometimes they're in dietary supplements, Sometimes they're in things like yogurt and
cheese, fermented dairy products. And they're usually bacteria. Sometimes you can yeast
connect as a probiotic, but when you generally think probiotic, you think of good bacteria
used to ferment milk. And then sometimes with things like yogurt, they add in other bacteria on top
of that.
Right.
Which is great.
Just add some more bacteria, as long as it's the good kind, basically.
Yeah, but sometimes they add bacteria that's not considered probiotic, too.
Right.
I looked that up.
I couldn't find what they were talking about unless it's actually a probiotic bacteria
that just hasn't been shown to
be probiotic at this time. That's all I could get from it. So, and with probiotics, just a kind
of a quick overview. It's just basically like it's beneficial bacteria that's in your gut. And when
you're born, you're not born with your own microbiome. I think you get it from breast milk
and you get a coating of it
as you exit your mother's vagina, okay?
So you develop it pretty quickly,
but it's kind of like gifted to you
very shortly after birth.
Yeah, you build it out.
Exactly.
So as you age and live, like some stuff dies,
some stuff gets pooped out of you,
but it's constantly reproducing.
But the point of probiotics, whether it's in pill form
or whether it is a prebiotic, like a banana,
something that can feed probiotic bacteria,
or if it's yogurt, is to replenish the bacteria,
this good, healthy bacteria
that lives in your gut and does all sorts of things
from help you produce a serotonin
that stabilizes your mood to digesting your food
and moving poop through your intestines faster.
All the amazing things.
I also want to direct people.
We did a microbiome episode,
which is one of the all-time most fascinating episodes
we ever did.
Do you remember that one?
The poop cast?
No, no, the one that's our microbiome.
Oh, right.
That was just on how completely made up,
I think like 90% of our cells are actually not ours.
They're part of the microbiome of bacteria that live on
us and interact with us. And that's what you're doing when you're eating yogurt is
bringing in some friends, some reinforcements to the good bacteria. That's the point of
probiotics.
Yeah. So in order to, and we'll get into the health effects here in a minute. But in order to get that bacteria and have it survive through
gastric acid, I mean, it's an inhospitable environment down there in your gut and in
your intestines. Well, first of all, they do think that yogurt might be just a good
vehicle for that period because it's thick and goopy and it acts like a buffer against
that acid. But you also have to have a lot of it because a lot of it is going to die off.
So there are organizations that set minimum standards and one of them is the National
Yogurt Association of the United States.
You don't want to mess with them, trust me.
No, break your legs.
It's just for even looking at them.
Yeah, they're tough individuals.
They really are collectively.
So, I believe the requirement is 100 million bacteria per gram
if you want to have that seal on it.
And this is if you want to eat yogurt,
I mean, if you want to just go get a stick of gogurt
and shove it down your throat and get a sugar rush,
have at it
Sure, but if you actually want that live and active culture seal stamped on your yogurt
Then you're gonna have to have a hundred million bacteria per gram, right?
And it has to be specific bacteria to the FDA decreed in 1981
That if you are going to sell something in the US as yogurt,
it has to contain lactobacillus bulgaricus and streptococcus thermophilus.
We'll talk a little more about those later,
but you have to have those and then you have to have them in amounts of at least a hundred million individual bacterium of those strains per gram of yogurt or
else buddy, that ain't yogurt.
That ain't yogurt. That ain't your mom's yogurt. That buddy, that ain't yogurt.
That ain't yogurt. That ain't your mom's yogurt.
That ain't your dad's yogurt.
It's nobody's yogurt.
Not as far as the FDA's concerned.
And if you thought the National Yogurt Association
was tough, boy, howdy, the FDA will mess you up.
So you wanna talk a little bit about how they make yogurt?
Yes, but first, get this.
So you know you were talking about how yogurt or bacteria can, some can survive in the gut,
which can be inhospitable.
I was like, how, how did they do that?
Some are just coated in like a polysaccharide.
That's fine.
That's boring.
But some bacteria actually have pumps
that are designed to pump acid out of the bacteria.
So when it's floating around in this bath of stomach acid
and juice and digestive enzymes,
it's just pumping it out and keeping it just happy as a lark.
But it has like a mechanism for getting rid of the acid
that should otherwise kill it.
I just thought that was fascinating.
Man, life sciences.
What else? What's your other big one?
Earth science.
Earth science, life science.
Just science basically.
Yeah?
Yeah, it all floats my boat.
What kind of science do you hate?
Hmm, psychology. No, I find it fascinating.
Okay.
I don't know, man.
I don't think I hate any science.
Yeah, no, I don't hate any science.
See their kids?
No, science is hate worthy.
No, don't hate science.
Be like Josh.
Clark yourself some Josh.
Weird. He's just spun my head right around. Did you see that? I did. be like Josh. Clark yourself some Josh.
Just spun my head right around. Did you see that?
I did. That was strange. Uh, but it is October. It is the month of exorcism.
It's the dancing headstones best season.
What was the name of the band? I can't remember.
No. And we could have just buzz marketed that guy so well.
All right. When you're making yogurt
Like you said it was many many many years ago It was just this curdled milk and they were like if you hold your nose tight enough
You can still eat this stuff and it doesn't really upset your stomach that much
But if you're gonna manufacture yogurt, what you want to do is separate the milk
into the cream and the skim and
This is automatically going to get a thicker texture going because it's got a lot of fat and it's evaporating
some of the liquid anyway during this process.
But then they might say, you know what, let's add some milk powder or some gelatin.
We really need to get this to the good yogurt-y consistency that everybody loves.
So now it's pretty thick at this point,
and then they pasteurize it. And we should do a show on pasteurization and maybe even
homogenization.
Okay.
Maybe they could go together.
I think so because homogenizing just basically means stirring.
Yeah.
Pasteurization, there's a lot to that,
a lot of history and everything, but homogenized,
I think they've really churched that up.
It's just stirring something.
Yeah, to make it more homogenous.
Right.
It's pretty amazing.
The word fits perfectly.
It really does.
So these high temperatures that you get
through pasteurization is going to help make it even
more thick, but you don't need to like blast it at 300 degrees for eight hours or whatever.
No, you don't want to do that.
It's kind of amazing actually that it only takes about 15 seconds at 171 degrees Fahrenheit
and that'll kill off the bacteria that you don't want there.
So you know how both of our schedules are just insane right now?
Yes.
I was starting to feel a little worn down.
Sure.
It's just the tiniest tickle in my nose and I was like, no, I'm not having it.
So I busted out the old netty pot.
Yeah.
Well, I got the double purified tap water out of my water purifier.
And then I put it into a pot and boiled it for five minutes
and stuck the nutty pot in and left it in
for another five minutes boiling.
Then I took that out and boiled more water for five minutes.
And then finally after it cooled, I put it through my nose.
And I looked it up, I'm like, is that overkill?
Is it not enough?
It's overkill.
It is overkill.
From what I saw, what you really need is to,
once the water gets to a boil,
something like 99.9999% of any pathogen is dead.
But I think, I can't remember who recommends it.
Maybe the CDC.
Somebody recommends at least letting it boil for a minute
just to be safe.
And then if you're above 2000 feet overseas level,
you want to boil it for three minutes
because there's a lower temperature required
for boiling at higher altitudes, right?
So really it's a, boil it for a minute is even overkill,
but I'm going to stick with my five minute boiling thing.
I still don't boil it at all.
Dude, do you know what would happen if you got
just the off chance of a brain eating amoeba in there?
No, I know, but I also don't like get scared
walking around during a lightning storm.
I don't either.
And I just feel like it's about as unlikely.
Okay, all right. Well, then promise me this. You will never netty pot with water that you just got out of a stagnant creek.
Okay. All right. Is that a deal at least? Sure, but can I still pour that into my open wounds?
No. Okay. Just steer clear of that water all together. All right, fair enough. All right, so at this point, Josh has boiled his water for 20 minutes.
By milk.
Let it cool for an hour.
Pour it through his nostril system.
This is how I make yogurt.
No, after they boil for 15 seconds, or heat that milk up for 15 seconds.
Your cream is separating at that point just naturally from the milk because of the temperature.
That's when they stir it or homogenize the milk and create that consistency because you
don't want anything that has a consistency of curdling.
No, you don't.
So homogenization is just stirring it up
so you're breaking up the fat globules
so that they're spread evenly throughout the milk,
which just means it's not lumpy milk,
it's smooth textured milk.
And the same thing, I guess that translates to the yogurt.
It makes the yogurt smoother, more consistently smooth
because it's homogenized milk that it's made from.
Yes. Okay, bam, homogenization. We just did the homogenized milk that it's made from. Yes.
Okay, bam.
Homogenization.
We just did the homogenization episode.
That could have been a short stuff.
It could have.
I don't even know if it would have qualified for that.
Well, we're going to start releasing one called shortest stuff.
It's just like 45 seconds long.
That is our future.
So here's the most important part.
You think your yogurt's done, but it's not.
Because if you want it to be yogurt,
you're gonna have to pour some good bacteria back in there.
And this is like, it kind of depends on
which company you work for, what kind of yogurt they want.
But they're gonna select their bacteria accordingly,
dump it in there.
Yes.
I mean, this is where the actual,
all you have is hot milk up to this point,
hot homogenized milk.
It's when you add that bacteria in to this warm milk
that it starts to happen.
And you wanna let the milk cool a little bit first
because if it's too hot, they're gonna die.
But when it cools to something like,
I think 115 degrees Fahrenheit or lower, then you can add your bacteria and they're going to start to go to work. And
all they're doing is basically fermenting the milk into yogurt. That's it.
Yeah, which is why if you're lactose intolerant, you can still tolerate yogurt because that
bacteria gets in there, metabolizes that milk sugar, the lactose,
and poops out lactic acid,
and lactic acid is fine on the body.
Yes, so not only this is just amazing,
this is when I started to get jazzed by the yogurt.
Not only does it break down lactose
into other kinds of sugars
that are more digestible by the human body,
that these bacteria actually deposit in your gut
when you eat yogurt, they deposit an enzyme
that helps you break down the lactose that is found in there.
So they break it down themselves
and then they help you break it down too,
which is why people who are lactose intolerant
can still usually eat yogurt.
Yeah.
Unless you have a severe lactose allergy.
I think it's just intolerance you can usually eat yogurt.
Yeah.
And remember I talked about myself and my lactose intolerance and like, is it in my lactose
intolerant or should I just not eat a pizza and a pint of ice cream?
Right.
Uh, it turns out it's B.
Is that right? and a pint of ice cream, it turns out it's B.
Is that right?
Yeah, man.
If I had a reasonable amount of cheese and milk, I'm fine.
Yeah, less farty.
Yeah, a lot less farty.
Good.
The whole world is thanking you, buddy, for coming to that, doing that experiment.
Or at least everyone in this room.
So, pretty amazing that yogurt deposits an enzyme
that helps you break down lactose, right?
Yeah.
Okay, it gets even more amazing.
One of the other things, one of the reasons
why people say you should eat yogurt if you need protein,
is first of all, it's from milk,
so there's tons of protein.
Yeah.
But secondly, the acids or the bacteria in there
actually break down the protein.
So it becomes what's called more bioavailable.
It's easier for your body to take in,
which normally your body doesn't have trouble
absorbing protein anyway, but if it does, yogurt's your guy.
But then also it actually synthesizes some vitamins
out of whole cloth.
Like there may not be a lot of folate found in milk.
There's more of it found in yogurt
because these bacteria during fermentation produce folate,
which is something that you really want and need,
especially if you're pregnant.
So there's just some amazing things going on
during the fermentation process from milk to yogurt
that makes it its own thing. It's much more than just
soured milk. It's something, it's like a new thing. Yeah. And the fact that they they found this
accidentally from carrying sheep's milk around in some animal skin or animal's stomach
10,000 years ago is just makes it even more fascinating. Yeah, it's awesome.
And the fact that you can add fruit on the bottom is really the icing.
Boy, Americans love a gimmick. And I think that was all about the gimmick.
I'm sure then some boardroom, they were like, it's interactive. It's fun.
Actually, I know the story behind that.
Interactive and fun. That's probably the words they used.
It was actually suggested actually it was suggested in
1947 I think by a young guy named Juan Metzger whose dad was one of the co-founders of Danon And he was just a lowly bottle washer at the time
But he suggested that as a way to get Americans to eat it
But at the time the USDA said you can't mix anything with dairy products. It's against the law
What somehow Danon convinced the USDA that,
no, no, the fruit's on the bottom,
so it's not really mixing.
If they put it on the top, the USDA would have said,
that's mixing.
If they had mixed it, homogenized it, I guess,
they would have considered that mixing,
but the fact that it was on the bottom,
that is why they got away with it.
Somehow, it doesn't make any sense to me.
It's like the Jeopardy being somehow different
from the typical quiz show.
Right.
You know, it's the same thing.
But they, USDA went along with it
and that's why it was fruit on the bottom.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And there wasn't like some Senator from South Carolina
that said, you're counting on the good people of America to mix their own fruit.
It's pretty good.
I don't even know who that was supposed to be.
It sounded like Leonardo DiCaprio and Django and change.
He really did.
Like he was the senator.
Man, that movie, that whole sister subplot, what even a subplot?
That was so strange in that movie.
Which? Which?
His, remember Leo DiCaprio's like sister arrived or whatever?
Oh yeah.
And he was just like, where's my beautiful sister?
And it was just so over the top and strange.
And it was never explained like, are they lovers?
Is it like, what's going on?
Yeah.
So weird.
I love Quentin Tarantino stuff, man.
I love hate it.
Oh really?
I don't hate any bit of it.
I love it.
Oh, I think he's far too indulgent these days, but...
You didn't like the hateful eight, huh?
You know, I like the first four endings.
Are you looking forward to the Manson family one, Uh, you know, I like the first four endings.
Are you looking forward to the Manson family one, Easteeran?
Yeah, I mean, I go see all of them and I think they're all worthwhile and they're Tarantino movies.
So I kind of just put my tongue in my cheek and laugh no matter what, but...
What was his best one in your opinion?
Oh, well, I mean, probably Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction for me.
Yeah, yeah.
But so don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater, but there's clearly no one in his camp that's like,
maybe edit some down, maybe don't be in the movie.
Hmm, that'll be the day.
That'll be the day.
Did you like true romance?
Yeah, but he just wrote that.
Yeah, but it's obviously his work.
Sure.
He didn't direct it.
No, I love it.
That's one of my faves.
That was a good one.
I mean, like, who cast Gary Oldman for that role?
Tony Scott, I guess.
That's just so bizarre, but I think it was so cool.
Sit down.
Have an egg roll.
It's a good movie.
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All right, Chuck.
Yogurt, Nut or just delish?
All right, so here's the deal. Yogurt has really caught on in the United States
in the last like decade, more than ever,
largely because it's being touted and sold as a health food.
Dude, big time.
There are studies that are coming in that says
it helps with everything from reducing obesity,
type two diabetes, cardiovascular disease,
respiratory diseases, improves pregnancy outcomes,
reduces allergies, improves bone health and dental health.
Basically anything you can think of,
there's been a study that has found that.
But from what I'm gathering,
either there's not enough studies,
which seems not the case to me,
or that there are other studies
that are finding contradictory evidence
to what the pro-yogurt studies are finding.
There doesn't seem to be any study that's like,
no, no, put the yogurt down, It's going to kill all of us.
No, no.
Nothing like that.
But there's, it just seems like the jury's still out on whether it's actually beneficial
to you or not, at least over any kind of long term.
Yeah.
So here's what we know for sure.
I mean, just ingredient wise, especially if you're lactose intolerant, you can get a
lot of good calcium from yogurt that you wouldn't get if, or that you would get if you're lactose intolerant, you can get a lot of good calcium from yogurt
that you wouldn't get or that you would get if you drank milk or whatever.
But if you're lactose intolerant, you can get it through yogurt.
Vitamin D, protein, potassium, riboflavin, these are all things that are in yogurt that
we know are good for you.
But it's like health claims that they're selling people now, which is
what we're really talking about here. Like you said, like, will it actually help you
lose weight? And there have been some studies that indicate that it could, but there are
a lot of caveats attached, it feels like. Like the International Journal of Obesity says that low-fat yogurt could help you lose weight, but it's kind of like that's
because you're replacing a meal with some yogurt as a substitution or for a
snack and it's kind of filling, you're gonna be eating less and all these things
are kind of true but it's a little misleading. It is, and actually you also want to be careful,
like, okay, if you're on a diet
and you're using low-fat yogurt to diet with,
but you're health conscious, you want to be careful
because a lot of the low-fat or no-fat yogurts
replace the fat with other stuff,
like artificial sweeteners like aspartame and saccharin.
There's usually a lot of sodium in there
to try to replace some of the flavor that's lost
when you take all the fat out.
So there's a lot of push and pull.
And yeah, it does seem to be where
if you are already healthy
and you eat yogurt regularly, but a lot,
then maybe you'll start to see some actual health effects,
but there's never been a study that showed, yes,
yogurt is such a powerhouse
that it can knock out rheumatoid arthritis.
Right.
And those are kind of the claims that people are making.
And there's like some, there's some bases,
there's some kernel of truth to it.
Like one of the big things now with dieting is,
or not dieting, but eating, eating right,
or eating healthy, I guess, whatever you wanna call it,
is this idea that when you eat,
your body becomes inflamed as part of the immune response.
Like what did you just eat?
What is that?
What is that?
And it goes in kind of like defense mode
to sort things out.
Well, the idea is that over time,
if you're eating stuff that sets off your immune response,
your inflammatory response, pretty much constantly,
that is a terrible effect on your body
and can manifest itself in things like inflammatory diseases
like rheumatoid arthritis.
So the logic is, and they've shown that, yes,
yogurt can actually possibly maybe reduce your inflammatory response.
So it's going from yogurt might be able to lessen your inflammatory response to some really, really bad food to yogurt can cure rheumatoid arthritis.
And that's the problem.
Yeah, especially in women, it seems to have a little bit better chance at reducing inflammation.
They did this one study at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
Go Badgers, right?
Wolverines.
Boy, I think it's got to be Badgers, right?
It is the Badgers.
I'm just giving them a hard time.
I didn't know if they was...
Yeah, that's Madison, of course.
We need to do a show there, by the way.
We do, or we could just make everybody drive to Milwaukee.
It's an hour away.
I did like Milwaukee.
That was a great show.
That was a cool town.
So they did a study where they had 60 women, half of whom were obese, and they had them
eat 12 ounces of low-fat yogurt every day for nine weeks, then a control group, of course,
with eating non-dairy pudding.
Which is like, what is that?
Like snack packs?
I don't know.
They measured levels of proteins.
It says excreted by immune cells to determine how much inflammation was in their body.
So they're trying to measure the inflammatory response
that you're talking about.
And they did find that the yogurt ladies,
as they like to be called, saw improvements
in some markers of inflammation.
But again, that's a long way from saying
it can help your rheumatoid arthritis.
Right, that's part of the problem.
I think people just want it.
It's just such a great idea,
this natural thing that's been with humanity
since the dawn of civilization can actually help cure
some of these modern ailments from our modern world.
People want that to be the truth so bad.
I don't see anything wrong with that,
but it's not necessarily the case, I think.
Yes. And it was also this study was funded by the National Dairy Council. And again,
the doctor who performed it, of course, he was like, it doesn't matter where the money
came from, same conclusion. So, you know, you can take him at his word, I guess. I'm
not saying he's like in the pocket of big dairy
But which we laugh, but I'm sure that's a thing. Well, the National Yogurt Association, they're the front
They're the legbreakers for the dairy association
But like I said earlier because there's a lot of protein in yogurt
It will make you feel more full and you might have fewer unhealthy snacks.
So it's one of those things like is it really making that difference or is this causing
you to change patterns?
Right.
Which is fine.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Again, there's nobody who's saying no eating yogurt's bad for you.
You do want to watch it.
If you are trying to lose weight,
eating full fat yogurt, too much full fat yogurt,
especially if you're eating it in addition to other stuff,
rather than using it to replace something,
you can gain weight.
I think the average weight gain
in that one study you were talking about
from both the yogurt and the pudding cohorts
was like a kilogram, I think.
Yeah, a couple of pounds over like nine weeks
or something like that.
So that's a significant amount of weight gain,
but they were eating like 12 ounces.
It's two full servings of yogurt every day.
That's a lot of yogurt.
I mean, I like yogurt,
but it's not the kind of food you sit down
and eat a bowl of, you know?
No, no, you definitely, you want it
in its own little amount.
It's like a grape nuts bowl, you know?
Yeah, and for parents, you know,
Go Gert's not to pick on them, but they definitely market that.
I used to do, I did a couple of Go Gert commercials
back in the day as a PA.
Oh yeah.
And, you know, they definitely market towards kids.
It's packaged in a little kid friendly, fun way to eat.
And we're not saying yogurt's bad for kids,
but that stuff is loaded with sugar
and calories from sugar.
Yeah.
So just know that going in.
From what I understand, the closest thing
to actual yogurt that you can get in the United States
is something like Greek yogurt.
That's only kind of eat, I think it tastes best.
It is, it's fantastic.
Like plain Greek yogurt,
and then you just add a little honey.
Don't forget the honey, Chuck.
I know, I gotta call my beekeeper.
There's also something called,
there's traditional Bulgarian yogurt.
Bulgaria is very well known for its yogurt love.
They have something called Kiselo Miljaco,
which means soured milk.
And I just think of Belki Bartakamus saying it.
Is that his last name?
Yeah, from Perfect Strangers.
Yeah, what was it?
Belki Bartakamus.
Bartakamus.
Bartakamus.
I don't think I ever heard that.
Yeah.
I didn't watch that show though.
Oh, you were missing out.
I know. The episode where
they were moving a piano up like a couple of flights of stairs. Is that a real episode?
Yes, it was. Chuck and I, I would put my money on this. It is one of the greatest examples
of physical comedy in television history. I mean, that's an old thing. Like friends
had an episode of moving a couch upstairs. These guys make friends look like piles of walking poop
That's how good that's how good this perfect strangers episode wise like friends doesn't even want to talk about it. Oh man
But I mean that's a classic bit like the Marx brothers or you know
Probably started or Buster Keaton probably first came up with it.
Yeah, he moved to PNR too in his day.
You want to talk about the in Soviet Georgia
yogurt campaign real quick?
Yeah, I actually did not get to see that.
So you can teach me.
Okay, so in 1977,
Danon, who really is almost single-handedly responsible
for bringing yogurt and making it popular in America
In the 70s they came out with an ad campaign called in Soviet Georgia where they went to
Georgia one of the Soviet Union's republics at the time and found like a hundred plus year old people
Who were still vital and active and said hey, can we film you like bailing hay?
And then afterward, you'll eat like a nice cup of
Dan and yogurt and people will say,
hey, that's great.
I want to be bailing hay at 105 like this person.
And it was kind of risky at the time because this is
the Cold War, the late 70s, the Soviet Union
and the United States were not friends.
But to advertise to the United States, they sent their ad people to the Soviet Union and the United States were not friends, but to advertise to the United States,
they sent their ad people to the Soviet Union
and it just went off, it was total hit.
Like Dan and their sales were in the gutter
and all of a sudden there's just back on top
and it's actually credited with kicking off this,
what we think of now is like normal,
but the yogurt craze that started in late 70s, early 80s,
and continued on, and has finally gotten to the point
where we're actually starting to eat healthy yogurt,
that was that commercial in Soviet Georgia.
Crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
They found one guy who was 89,
and they said his mother was 114,
and they filmed them in one of the commercials.
And they said, he ate two cups, and it made his mother was 114 and they filmed them in one of the commercials. And they said he ate two cups and it made his mother very proud, but he's 89.
That was the big joke.
114 man.
Yeah.
All from eating yogurt.
I need to get on it.
You got anything else?
If I want to live to be 114.
You got to start eating some yogurt and don't forget the honey.
God, could you imagine me at 114?
Yeah, actually I can now that you mentioned it.
Nobody wants that.
I could totally see that you'd be like,
I'm back to the whole pizza and whole thing of ice cream thing.
So you might want to stand back.
Wow, this one had a lot of fart and poop jokes.
Yeah, well, it happens.
Well, if you want to know more about yogurt, go eat some yogurt.
Eat the good stuff.
Learn to love it and your stomach will be happy whether science can prove that it is
or not.
Since I said that, it's time for Listener Mail.
All right, I'm going to call this self-professed medievalist.
This guy, Stephen Gray, wrote in.
He's from Melbourne, Australia, but living in London now.
And he says I'm writing for some extra info, to give you extra info for the Robin Hood episode.
First of all, Josh talks about Rich slash Johnny Sitch.
He says that Richard was King of England for two years and that John was the natural heir. Richie was actually king for ten years, but spent only six months of his reign in England.
While he was off on the third crusade, he left his chancellor, William of Longchamp, as regent.
But his brother John was cranky about it and schemed against him, inciting a rebellion.
When Rich eventually got back, he forgave Johnny, named him heir to the throne, so the bad King John,
good King Richard bit of the R.H. Canon
is actually based in fact.
Wow, that's interesting.
Perhaps more interesting, he says,
and I set up, by the way.
Thank you.
When the Robin Hood story started coming out
during the reign of Henry III,
it was during a period where Henry was waging war
for his lands in Gascony, France.
Henry was not a very strong welder, charismatic king, so he didn't get along super well with
his nobles, and as a result, to raise funds for the war effort, he had to rely more heavily
on his foresters and sheriffs to raise some mega taxes.
So the Robin Hood stories pit our hero against these extortionate representatives of a nasty villainous
king, but of course, you can't directly suggest that's the current king.
So you have to be not so subtle and point to a recent but previous scenario, which everyone
will draw the parallels from.
Wow.
This guy's not just a self-proclaimed medievalist.
I officially confirm him as a medievalist.
He says, hope this helps your insatiable appetite
to keep learning as your podcast does mine.
Nice.
I love you guys.
That is Steven Gray.
Thanks a lot, Steven.
That was a great email.
We love you too.
Let's hug.
Yeah.
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