Stuff You Should Know - Short Stuff: Ellen Richards
Episode Date: February 6, 2019Who is Ellen Richards? One of the most unsung scientists of all time, that's who. Her contribution? Bringing real science into the household and forcing the world to take "home-ec" seriously. We celeb...rate her today on Short Stuff. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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This ticks all those boxes.
And what sad is, you could have just said women in science.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Almost across the board, women in science
are undersung or completely unsung.
And what about Mary Curie?
I mean, she's such an outlier, it's crazy.
Yeah, because that's the first name
that pops into your head for a reason.
Right, and it's like, oh, well, she must have been
the only woman scientist in the world.
No, that's not the case.
Supposedly there is a longstanding tradition in science
of the men in science taking credit
for the work of the women.
Whether it's something as like outright fraudulent
is like just basically taking someone's work
and not giving them credit,
because you can get away with it
because you're a man and the other person was a woman,
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And over time, with history favoring men typically,
at least Western history,
the original person who laid the foundation for it,
the woman, will just kind of be lost to time.
And this is what's called something called the Matilda effect.
Yeah, and this is very evident in science.
There's a couple of sort of horrifying statistics
that they found here.
One is that there was a scientific journal
that changed their review process,
reviewing things, are we gonna publish it, are we not?
And they switched theirs to leave out the names
of the authors, so you don't even know who it is,
male or female.
And just doing that, the acceptance rate
for women's reports rose almost 8%.
And then a study in 2013 showed that the abstracts,
you know, when you Google online
and you read like the abstract of a science paper,
it's like sort of like a summary, I guess.
They were seen as being of a higher quality
if the author was male and wrote about things stereotypically,
you would think of as male subjects.
Like physics or math or something?
Yeah, and this is in 2013.
Right, so it's clearly still going on.
And like I said, also it's a longstanding tradition.
And it was kind of given this name,
the Matilda effect back in 1993
by an historian of science from Cornell named Margaret Rosseter.
And she named it the Matilda effect
after a woman named Matilda Jocelyn Gage,
who was an abolitionist and suffragist.
And she had written an essay in 1893
called Woman as an Inventor,
which is basically like it is straight up BS
the way that women scientists
are just being completely left out of history.
She had a lot of foresight at the time
and called this out and it didn't really get anywhere with it,
but at least documented it as far back
as before the turn of the last century,
that this was a problem and an issue.
And so this 100 years later,
Margaret Rosseter kind of came up with this thing
called the Matilda effect.
And there's a lot, a lot of instances in history.
It's not sporadic, it's not kind of scattershot.
Like there are a lot of instances in history
of women not getting due credit
for the work that they did
that established a field that created multiple fields
or that their work grew to be misunderstood
and almost kind of scorned.
And that last one in particular is very much embodied
by a woman named Ellen Henrietta Swallow Richards.
That's right, she was a woman who,
she was the first woman accepted
into a school of science, which at the time,
the MIT Massachusetts Institute of Technology was male only.
And they said, we'll do a little test
and see if this lady can handle MIT.
Watch this.
And she was like, great, I handled it.
She was one of the first female chemists in the US.
She, well, her largest contribution,
I guess what she's remembered most for
is her contribution to domestic science,
AKA HOMEK, which just saying that some people
still might dismiss that as a soft science or non-science.
But it's not true because that encompasses everything
from hygienic standards in the home
to the clothes we wear being safe
and the food we eat being healthy.
And before she came along,
not a lot of people were doing this.
And it took her going to Vassar College,
which is it still an all female college?
Vassar, I think actually is, yeah.
Is it?
She got a degree in chemistry in 1870
and then that's when MIT said,
let me just see if she can handle this.
And she got a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry from there
in 1873 and then immediately started working,
like studying pollution and sanitary chemistry
and things like that,
which not a lot of people were doing it at the time.
No, she was almost the first,
if not the first person to say,
okay, we're all like eating food and drinking water
and has anybody stopped and asked like,
is the food we're eating in the water
we're drinking healthy and pure?
Is it toxic?
What's the relation to pollution?
What's the relation to industry?
She started asking questions
and then in addition to asking questions,
she started doing research and study
and she came up with this field called Oecology, O-E-K-ology.
And it was the basis for what we recognize now as ecology
or the study of the environment.
And she was the first one to think about this
back in, I believe the 1870s.
And it went along for five years and MIT,
by this time she was an instructor at MIT.
And MIT said, this sounds crackpot and whack,
stop talking about this.
They literally forbade her to talk about O-E-K-ology
for a year.
And so her discipline that she launched
lasted for all of five years
and she's kind of frustrated by that.
She turned her attention instead to home economics,
which is basically taking this idea
rather than studying the water and the air and all of that,
studying the results of the water and the air,
like the food we put in and the surroundings we live in
and how they impact our health
and how they can be made better.
All right, we're gonna take a break
and we're gonna come back and talk a little bit more
about how she managed to bring science
into the household, right after this.
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All right, so bringing science into the home environment
was very different on the household level
to do that at the time.
It was an unusual thing that she knew was important.
It was a big passion of hers.
She also, you know, home ec also is cooking and cleaning
and sewing and things like that.
And it's not like she issued those things,
but she was like, you know, women are already
in the home doing these things.
So why don't I bring some science to it
and talk about having sanitary conditions
and organizing the household
and raising a healthy family with science-based techniques?
Right.
Because like I said, it was at the time,
and this is in the late, I guess, late 19th century, right?
Yes, right at the turn, yeah.
Yeah, so, I mean, she has gotten some pushback
over the years from feminists,
but I think they got it wrong, you know?
Oh man, from what I saw, they got it really wrong.
And like if you criticize Ellen Richards
as anti-feminist by creating home ec,
it seems like you just haven't really dug in
very deeply to researcher
because she was a proto-feminist to the first degree.
Yeah, like it would have been really easy at the time
to say, as a progressive, to say,
well, you know, women ditch the household
and get out there and try and take the man's job,
but she knew the reality of things, I think,
and she wanted to uplift what women were doing
in the household instead of saying,
no, ditch all that and leave it behind
to go take a quote-unquote man's job.
Like what you're doing is important,
and I want to uplift that and bring science to it.
Well, and not only was it important,
she also realized that that was the reality of the situation,
right?
Like you, I think something like 97% of women at the time
didn't go to college.
They just, they got married and they became homemakers.
So that's what she had to work with.
So she was trying to, like you said,
uplift women in that sense,
not necessarily because, you know,
she was saying, this is a woman's lot.
It was, this is what we're working with,
so I'm gonna try to make it better.
She also very strongly advocated
for women to be college educated.
She thought that that should just be standard practice.
And she actually set up a lab, a woman's lab at MIT
to teach chemistry to young women
who were coming into college.
And the lab was only open for a few years
because from her efforts, MIT started to accept women
into the general population.
It wasn't like a special track any longer.
But she set up a lab to teach women chemistry
and she did it free.
She didn't get any money from it.
And she taught chemistry for years for no charge
so that these young women could learn chemistry.
Yeah, and you know, despite all this,
she's, I don't know about forgotten,
but largely forgotten in history, especially in science,
as a real pioneer in validating the home economic movement
and bringing women into more traditionally
male fields of science.
And she doesn't get nearly enough recognition, so.
No, especially also, I mean, she was a pioneer
in the concept in the study of water quality.
And that's huge, she had a really deep
and broad scientific career.
So I know she definitely doesn't get her, do you?
Yeah, like today she would be on the front lines
in Flint, Michigan in newspapers and on TV shows.
But back then she was discounted
because it was kitchen stuff.
Yep, so hats off to Ellen Richards
for being just a total top notch scientist.
Absolutely.
And if you want to know more about her,
go check out this article on how stuff works.
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