Stuff You Should Know - Short Stuff: Vomitoria
Episode Date: November 7, 2018A vomitorium was a place where ancient Romans went to make themselves throw up after gorging themselves at a sumptuous banquet. Everybody knows that. Except that’s not true at all. Learn about what ...vomitoria were in this episode and impress your friends. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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How is that you look like and sound like you're underwater and eating peanut butter
Speaking of eating peanut butter
Did you know that in ancient Rome if you ate a couple of gallons of peanut butter?
It was very acceptable mm-hmm to stroll on over to a vomitorium and
And throw it up and stick a feather down your throat or have sorry have some young child stick a feather down your throat or bill Murray
So you could
So you could throw up and then eat even more peanut butter. That's right Chuck. That's an indisputable fact of history
Not true
No, and you know what something was bugging me researching this. I was like I feel like I've said something
Like on the podcast before where I referenced this being
Correct, and it probably wasn't I probably did but I'm in pretty good company because we've got this idea
That that yeah in ancient Rome. It was totally normal to go throw up basically binge and purge
Yeah, but purge in like a public area that's designated to go purge
That's that's been around for at least since the 1920s and we can trace it all the way back to algeous
Huxley actually who who created this misconception. Yeah, I mean I thought this was a true fact up until
Two days ago. Basically everyone does so don't feel bad again. You're in the company of algeous Huxley
How are you pronouncing that?
Huxley not the first name algeous algeous. What do you pronounce it as deletrious?
I think you're swapping the you and the oh
Aldo was
Aldous, I think it's Aldous. Oh, I like algeous. All right. I've rechristened him. Well, he was a very algeous person
I don't know what that word means. I just made it up. Okay, good cuz I was really embarrassed for a second
Yeah, so apparently well, let's go back to Rome to quote the great Frank Black in the Catholic song
Mm-hmm Vomitoria, which is the pull of Vomitorium there were these things in ancient Rome apparently
Yes, but it was just a very well to my ear weird name for a very
Now common thing
Yeah, and they actually know who was the first to reference is a guy named Macrobius back in the 4th century CE
He just used it as a term to describe
Basically a passage into and out of say like the Colosseum
Where people would be
disgorged
Out that's such a gross word into like like you've been to Colosseum, right?
To the Colosseum. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, same here. It's an amazing place
And there's there's just a lot of walking space
That's actually really effectively designed and one of the reasons why it's so effectively designed is because
Of these passageways
To basically to your seat and then back out into the main walkway around the perimeter inside the the Colosseum
Yeah, those places in and out between the two those are Vomitoria. Yeah, what's what do we call them today?
It's a not a portal, but a
Portico maybe no, I mean, it's just like it's like any modern stadium design. It's the
the
Hallway open thing that you walk through and then you're like now I'm in the stadium
What do you call that?
Concourse? No, I think we should just go back to calling it Vomitoria
Yeah, I'm gonna say that next time I go to a Falcons game. Yeah. Hey, meet me at the Vomitoria 244
Pardon me. Can you direct me to my Vomitorium? I can't think of the word. It's really bugging me
I know what you're talking about and I want to say it's like portal to I mean it is a portal
Maybe some people call them that but I think that's what they're called in like sports. Yeah
So there were 76 of these though
Around up and down the Colosseum and apparently did you say how many people that they could shuttle in and out of there yet?
No, apparently 50,000 people could get in and out of this thing
And like to their seats within about 15 minutes. It's not bad. That's amazing
Can you imagine the poor Schmo who had to sit there and time it by looking at the Sun?
Oh
So many went blind
Until it finally happened. They'd have to replace the person every 30 seconds. There were a carton of a way to be like
I got to 30 seconds
What is the name of those things
Bug me. I don't know
Uh, should we take a break and talk about Aldous Huxley again? I'll do us. All right, right after this
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All right, so you set us up with Al Jouis Huxley
What in the world did this how in the world could he have affected this?
I mean, I guess he just heard of it before and basically he he mentions the impassing in a single line
He wrote a comic novel
Called Antique Hay is about post world war one decadent like upper upper class society
And um, he just basically mentioned like a goth coming into a vomitorium
and um
I from the line I saw it didn't even really
Seem to be like he was talking about the goth was going to come throw up or anything like that
Um, but that was the first instance they could find if somebody
Using it not in the way that macrobius was was using it as that portal thingy, right?
So so they think that he was the first one to say this or put it down and pen to paper
And you have to give him a break because he just injected a tremendous amount of lst into his own eye
Before he started writing this, right? So we're going to excuse him
The next person who gets zero excuse whatsoever is lewis mumford
Yeah, he was a historian. He was a critic. He should have known better. He did not do his research
apparently had been reading alduis huxley and
Just basically cited it as fact in one of his books the city in history. Yeah, and he he full on defined it as
Uh, where you overeat and you go and make yourself throw up and he just made that up
Yeah, as a fan of huxley's I guess
I guess so
I don't think he ever took a drop of acid either. He has zero excuse lewis mumford does
Uh, well, here's the thing though, and this is where it does get kind of gross because
Even though they did not originate in ancient Rome. Mm-hmm. There are real
Uh, vomitoriums apparently in places like vietnam
And I look this up and I was trying to find a picture and I did find one
And it looks like where you would go to the sink and wash up in a public bathroom
But it has
It looks like a tiny
Toilet bowl like it's got the shape of a toilet bowl on a you know, like waist high
Right and then above this at least this one it had a little tiny toilet tank even
It looked like a miniature toilet except waist high
So I saw one that was like a big stainless steel sink with like one of those
Like dishwasher like you have you ever washed dishes for a living? Oh, yeah, that was my first job
So, you know, that's right. We talked about that. Didn't you rat out like everybody and jays barbecue?
I didn't rat out anybody. What are you talking about? What was it? I worked at jjs
I was a busboy and dishwasher, but they stuck their tennis shoe and like the brunswick stew or something awful like that
Yeah, but I didn't rat him out. I should have
Okay, yeah, so anyway, um
So, you know like the dishwashing sink thing, uh-huh the uh faucet
Yes, it had like one of those
So I guess you're expected to rinse the sink out after you vomit into it
But the way you know what you're doing and I saw your picture too
Um, is there's a sign like a like a road sign type graphic of of somebody throwing up
Yeah
And that's how you know to use it. So it's like it's like fiction
Fiction became reality. Yeah. So like it has someone kind of been over heaving out
You know graphic spew
Great band name, right? They're sort of they opened up for guar for a while. Oh, man. I'll bet actually I did see a band called
Vomitorium. Oh, I'm sure
Graphic spew though man alive
But apparently all over Ho Chi Minh City you can find these things
And some of them even have
Um
Like pictures of ancient Rome and stuff. I guess is a nod
To the false claim that they started in ancient Rome. I know my head's about to pop
And what about germany that gets even grosser? So this article on how stuff works says that they're puke pans
They're known
Coal locally as a puke pans. Not true. The only place I saw that on the internet is in this how stuff works article
But there are vomitoriums in germany. There's a place called Hofbrow house in munich
That's a beer hall that's known to have a lot of I've been there
Oh, really? I've been to the Hofbrow house. Did you see the vomitorium?
No, I'm sorry the puke pan. I did all my puking in the potted plants. Oh, there you go. I think that's
That's gauche man. That's like wearing white after labor day. No, so there is one at the Hofbrow house supposedly
That's what I saw on trip advisor. So our article claiming that in german frat houses that
First of all, I didn't know germany had fraternities. That's got to be yeah
This this whole thing just stinks of misconception. Yeah
Well, their source was antique dash photos
No, whatever that is. It's a crystal link site. I think
So at the very least we know that in germany there are designated puke places
And anyone who's I mean, I guess
I mean, first of all, you shouldn't be drinking so much that you regularly throw up anyway
That's point number one, but uh
If you've ever been in a bathroom stall and walked in like oh boy, I got a pee
And it's just got vomit everywhere. It's one of the worst experiences you can have as a human
Yeah, especially if you don't have to pee but have to poop. Oh, we'll forget it. It's like train spotting
What is I never saw that movie. What happens then? Well, there's a scene where he goes to
To throw up some heroin that he had ingested so he can shoot it
Oh, man
It's like it's a sort of a dreamy sequence that the bathroom is labeled as the worst bathroom in Scotland
And it's nasty and he pukes in there and then reaches in and eventually
Ewan McGregor goes all the way into the toilet and swims around. Oh, it's a fantasy sequence
It does sound a little dreamy
You know, everyone's fantasy about
Going into a poop puke infested toilet and swimming. Yeah
Am I missing out not having seen train spotting? Yeah, it's a classic. Okay. Well, I'll go check it out, right?
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