Stuff You Should Know - SYSK Selects: How Flamethrowers Work
Episode Date: June 13, 2020Who first decided that it would be a great idea to shoot flame at other people from a distance? Josh and Chuck talk about the (very) early origins, history and technology of the flamethrower in this c...lassic episode. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hi everybody, Chuck here on a Saturday
with my Saturday selects pick from June 3rd, 2010.
I think I picked this one because I just got done watching
What's Upon a Time in Hollywood once again.
Here is our episode, How Flamethrowers Work.
If you've seen that movie, you know what I'm talking about.
If you haven't, I hope I didn't spoil it for you.
So learn all about Flamethrowers right now.
Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,
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Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
I'm Josh Clark, there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant.
That makes this Stuff You Should Know, right Chuck?
Yeah.
Yeah?
Jerry, just I love it when like we get
last second instructions.
Yeah, and they don't make any sense.
Save it for the show, guys.
Right, or show that picture on the podcast, the audio podcast.
Oh goodness, how are you, sir?
I'm fine.
It's by all rights Friday, but it's actually Thursday.
But it's almost Memorial Day.
Yeah, and are you coming in tomorrow at all?
No?
I'm not comfortable saying either way.
OK.
Well, I guess that'll be a surprise.
I don't want to get in trouble.
Well, I'm not.
I'm still scared of the man.
I know you're not, but you're all like, hey, look at me.
I'm 40.
I make my own decisions.
Not 40, yeah.
So Chuck, you're George Carlin fan, right?
Yeah, the late George Carlin.
Yes, the late.
RIP.
Always add the bummer, don't you?
The late George Carlin could be like,
George Carlin's the greatest stand-up comedian ever.
When he was alive, he was.
The worm food George Carlin, the, yeah.
The dearly departed.
Yes, I like him.
Why?
I have an obscure stand-up bit that I'll
bet you haven't heard of that is apropos of our topic today.
Let's hear it.
So George Carlin had a bit about flamethrowers.
I never heard that one.
He said that the very presence of flamethrowers,
and I'm paraphrasing, the very presence of flamethrowers
means that at some point, sometime, someone said to himself,
you know, there's a bunch of people over there
that I'd like to set on fire, but they're too far away
for me to get the job done.
I wish there was something that I could use
to throw flames on them.
And as a result, we now have the flamethrower,
which is kind of crazy.
When you think about it that way, it is pretty interesting.
It is.
And when you start to really look into flamethrowers,
you realize just how horrific the acts that humans inflict
on other humans can be.
It's pretty awful stuff, actually.
Yeah, I mean, actually, all kinds of modern weaponry.
I know my brother-in-law's in the Marines.
He told me about this, I think it's called a flichette,
some sort of bomb that explodes above people
and sends thousands of razor blades shooting out.
What?
I think it's mainly used for clearing jungle, but I can't remember.
Clearing jungle of enemy combatants.
Exactly.
So some sicko thought that up.
Yeah, we're like one step away from the alien weapons
in District 9, where people just blow up
in an almost cartoonish fashion.
Right, yeah.
It's coming 2015.
Sure, the atomizer or something they'll call it.
Yeah, what's odd is that that person, that first person
that George Carlin envisions, actually lived a lot longer
ago than you would think.
I was shocked.
I was, well, you want a 5th century BC?
5th century BC, man.
Right, well, it was a flamethrower.
It was a very crude vulgar, if you will, flamethrower.
It was a long tube, sort of like a blow gun,
and they filled it with solid stuff, like hot coal and sulfur.
And what?
Yeah, ideally, you don't suck in.
That would be bad.
No, I was thinking that, too.
You have to suck in the breath before you put the tube
to your mouth or else you're in big trouble.
Although, that's the case with any blow gun, right?
Sure.
Did you ever make those when you were a kid?
No, I never did.
I was too busy burning stuff.
You could have done both, apparently.
Yeah, true.
So yeah, they would shoot, I guess, hot coal or sulfur
out at their enemy combatant instead of a flame, per se.
Yeah, which I guess, ultimately, it
would bounce off of their arm and they'd be like, ah, it burns.
And then they'd just tussle and leg wrestle
and shake hands afterwards and go eat a boar.
That's how that went.
Life in 5th century BC with Josh.
But leave it to the Greeks, who were one of the brainiest,
most thieving cultures of all time.
They probably got this idea from the Chemites, frankly.
But there's this stuff called Greek fire.
And actually, I can't say that the Greeks came up with it.
It's called Greek fire, but the Byzantines,
what we know as Turks, were most notorious
for using this stuff.
Yeah, and they think they're not sure because it was
a long time ago.
It was a mixture of liquid, petrol, and sulfur, and stuff
like quick lime.
Petrol.
It's British for gas.
Yes, it is.
Yeah.
And they would pump it out, actually,
from a reservoir through little narrow tubes
and anything that goes from a big reservoir-type system
to a small, thin one, it would create pressure
to shoot it out.
And then some unlucky guy would be the lighter
at the end of it.
And that would be like a real flamethrower,
like dozens of feet.
Yeah, as we're going to learn, anybody
whose job it was to deal with any aspect of flamethrowing
was the unlucky guy.
Yeah, I would say so.
It's one of the more dangerous weapons you can use.
But it was very effective.
Number one, since it's oil-based, this Greek fire
could be used in naval battles because it would still
burn even when it contacted the water.
And so the Byzantines mounted it on their ships,
these flamethrowers, on their ships,
and on the city walls around Constantinople,
and basically just repelled people out of fear
as much as burning them alive.
Yeah, their enemies were really freaked out, I imagine,
when they first saw fire shooting at them.
Yes, freaked out and intrigued, especially
in the case of the Chinese.
See, what the Byzantines had was a single action pump.
You just did the foot pump with the flamethrower.
I literally did the bellows.
Did you see that, Jerry?
I'm following your command.
The Byzantines had a single action bellows pump,
where when you pressed down, on the downstroke,
it would push the liquid out, right?
Yes, you'd get like a burst of fire, and that's it.
Right, because on the upstroke, nothing was happening,
except the bellows were filling back up with air
to press down, to compress, right?
The Chinese said, hey, that's really funny,
because we have a double action bellows
to where you are compressing air on the upstroke
and the downstroke, so instead of your stupid little
short bursts of Greek fire, we have one long burst
that just cuts you in half.
Yeah, leave it to the Chinese, you get all better.
The wheelbarrow, the kite, the hang glider,
the flamethrower, gunpowder.
And actually, gunpowder equaled the demise
of flamethrowers for about 1,000 years, right?
Yeah, as soon as gunpowder came along,
they were like, eh, we're just chumps with fire
when we can actually shoot a gun,
that's the way of the future.
Right.
And it was, but so was the flamethrower,
as it turns out.
Yeah, because it laid dormant for about 1,000 years,
and then in World War I, actually right before World War I,
the Germans, a very war-like state at the time,
were, they said, you know, what exactly can we add
to our arsenal that is just totally scary
and wildly destructive?
Yes.
Let's look back through the annals of, you know,
historic weaponry and find something,
and they look through and they said, the flamethrower.
Yeah, Richard Fielder is an engineer in 1901.
They credit him with inventing it,
but he clearly was using old technology
as the initial idea, at least.
Right, but it's a clever design, though, isn't it?
Yeah.
Because from this original design,
there've been, you know, some polishing moments
for the flamethrower over the years,
but from that modern era,
that the design has remained relatively the same, right?
It's like a three-tank design.
Yeah, the Flamenverfer.
Is that what it's called?
Yeah.
Nice.
The Germans, that's what the Germans called it.
The later Hosen.
Yeah.
And it was, well, let's go ahead and explain how it works
with the tanks.
All right.
And this is the handheld flamethrower,
which is the one that's, I guess,
was most readily used in combat.
Yeah, and it's the one you see,
like a guy's wearing these tanks on his back
and he's got the rifle and it's just...
Right.
Yeah.
So you got two outer tanks,
and those are filled with the flammable fuel,
oil-based petrol, if you will, like Greek fire.
Sure.
And then there's a center smaller tank,
which holds a compressed gas, like butane,
and it would feed the gas through a pressure regulator
connected to the tubes.
Right.
And you can take it from here.
Well, this is why I think it's very clever.
The butane served a dual purpose.
One, it was compressed, so when you open the valve,
it would push the liquid fuel out of the tanks
into the tube and ultimately in the reservoir and the gun.
Yeah, the pressure regulator.
Right.
Is what they would butt switch on.
There is another tube that came directly out of the third
tank that held the compressed gas, like butane.
Yes.
And this tube went directly to the ignition valve.
Right.
So it served as the igniter later on.
Right, because it was the butane that
was actually burning when you open the ignition valve.
The butane flows to the end, mixes with air.
The end of the rifle.
Right.
And then there's two triggers.
So there's the fuel release trigger, right?
Yes.
And then there's the ignition trigger.
And the ignition trigger is basically
you're operating a battery that operates a spark plug
sends a current, generates heat, ignites the butane.
Now you have that little blue flame on the end.
Yeah, that's what you see in movies,
like if you see them trailing around.
Yeah, exactly.
You see the little three inch flame coming out in the end.
Right.
That's actually butane burning.
Right.
The fuel hasn't been released.
The hellfire has not been opened yet or released yet.
That's when you squeeze what's the fuel release trigger?
Yes.
And then a couple of big clicks.
That pulls back a little valve plug,
because you obviously want it plugged or else you're
going to have a big mess on your hands.
You'll be on fire very quickly.
So when you pull the fuel release trigger,
it pulls the little valve plug back.
And then all the fuel supply suddenly
rushes through to the tip of the gun where the flame is.
And boom, there you go.
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In 1942, the Army Chemical Warfare Service,
I think, is what it was called.
They came up with a little something called napalm,
which is ultimately a gasoline or petrol
in the case of Chuck and our British friends,
a gasoline thickening agent.
So with a slightly thickened gas,
you have a longer range.
It carries further, because it has more mass, or girth,
or whatever.
There's less friction from the ground coming up, right?
And it also can be concentrated more easily, right?
So basically, that was one of those real big polishing
moments.
It went from just gas, which sprays to thick gas,
which sticks and burns.
It evaporates much less quickly, so it'll burn forever.
And it's really difficult to put out.
And if you get covered in it, you're entirely in trouble.
Yes, you're out of luck.
And they would mount these on, well, PT boats for one.
Have you ever seen the videos of those things,
like cruising down the river, shooting napalm
into the forest?
Well, I see.
There's a picture of it in the article.
I've never seen video of it.
It's pretty wicked.
Yeah.
And they called them Zippo flamethrowers, right?
Oh, really?
Because the ignition system failed so frequently.
It's just like on a gas grill.
Would they have to light it with a Zippo?
With a Zippo.
You're kidding.
No.
And that's the other unlucky dude, I guess.
Yeah.
He'd be like, don't get too close to it with his hand.
Right.
And so flamethrowers, it wasn't just some guy where
it'd be like a bunch of infantry guys,
and then some guy on the end happened
to grab the flamethrower that morning when they went out.
And it's just, you know, they were part
of a tactical strategy.
Yeah.
What would happen was riflemen would lay down cover fire.
Right.
Let's say you come to the mouth of a cave,
and there's a bunch of enemy combatants in there,
and they're shooting you, and they have snipers,
and you're in big trouble.
Oh, yeah.
All your riflemen lay down fire on this cave
so those guys can't move.
Cover fire.
Right.
To allow your flamethrower man to get close.
He was highly susceptible at this point,
because of what he's wearing on his back.
Yes, all it takes is one good shot to one of those tanks,
and that guy's gone.
Right, or a bad shot, just a shot.
Sure.
Yeah, if you come in contact with it with the bullet.
Yes.
But so the flamethrower guy gets close, basically cooks.
Everybody burns everyone to death in that cave.
Yeah.
Right?
That's his job.
Right.
And then after that, the munitions guys come in and explode
the cave so it can never be used again.
And that's cyanora for cave dwellers.
Yes.
You know, speaking of a quick death,
I've always heard when I was a kid
that if you were a flamethrower in war,
your average lifespan is like 30 seconds in combat.
Is that right?
Well, I always heard that.
And I'd scour the internet, and I could not
find anything to verify that.
But that's what I always heard.
I thought that was an interesting tidbit.
I did read that most people who were flamethrower operators
didn't survive.
I would imagine it's a pretty dangerous thing
to be toting around.
Yeah.
And they also had assistants, because the assistants would
open and close the valves in the pack for them.
That was their whole job.
It was always a two-man team.
So both of them would usually not make it.
If I was the assistant, I would turn on his little valve
and then run for cover, and then run up and turn it off again.
And I'd probably be pretty unpopular with the flamethrower
guy.
Probably.
I mean, the flamethrower guy was well liked,
because if you can take out an entire gun nest of people,
then everybody's going to applaud you and clap.
Sure.
Probably not get too close, though,
because you're going to die eventually.
Yeah.
I'd rather be a sniper, I think.
That'd be like I play Call of Duty.
I got a PS3 now.
Did I tell you that?
No.
Wow, Chuck.
It was given to me by my step-dad now, father-in-law.
You did tell me.
My step-father-in-law.
OK.
And so I got just a couple of games.
I'm not like a huge gamer at all.
Like I think a Nintendo, like the first Nintendo
was the last thing I actually owned.
But I play Call of Duty now.
I like shooter games, too.
It's pretty fun.
But you choose to be a sniper on that?
Well, no, there are just certain levels
where you can be a sniper.
Like you'll pick up a sniper gun if you want.
Got you.
And I always usually kind of just hang back and pick guys off.
Yeah, especially guys with flamethrowers.
No.
Here we go again, two liberal peaceniks like us.
When it comes to like this war stuff, we just get all giddy.
Well, it is.
This one, for some reason, I was reading a passage
about a flamethrower operator in World War II
who received the Medal of Honor for invading a Japanese.
I think they're called pillbox.
It was a little gun nest.
And burning them all.
And burning them all alive.
And the guy wrote that there were some muffled screams
and then silence.
Wow.
It's like being burned alive is pretty much
everybody's worst death.
I would think so.
It's up there.
Well, we had Worst Way to Die.
That's right up there.
And I think, if I remember correctly,
burning to death is consistently the number one
in informal polls, right?
I imagine it's pretty painful.
And it happened a lot in World War I, II, Vietnam.
I imagine Korea.
This is a horrible weapon, you know?
Absolutely.
But you can find civilian applications for it, can't you?
Yeah.
Well, before we move on to that, we also
need to say that they were on tanks as well.
So it wasn't just boats.
They used them on tanks.
And the design was basically the same.
You just had a lot more fuel.
And you had piston rotary pumps to get a lot more
length on your shot.
Girth.
And girth.
Yeah, the backpack-mounted ones had a range of about 50 yards,
right, or 46 meters.
That's a long way, though.
Yeah.
Let's have a football field.
You don't have to get that close.
Sure.
I wonder if the first enemy that was like,
he's got a flamethrower, but we're way too far away.
They were within, like, 45.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So we're all gone like.
Yeah.
They were within over 5-4 yards.
We're all gone.
Those high- kings.
They were within.
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Civilian applications. Um, forced, uh, forced fire fighters.
Forced fire fighters. Is that how you say it? I don't know. They, they actually use these, uh,
when they do the, like the, the prescribed burning, like sometimes they'll burn. Well,
not just the firefighters. They do prescribed burns anyway. Sure. And then sometimes the
firefighters do that. They'll like burn a section to cut it off that right there. Right.
And they, that's what they do with flamethrowers. Yeah. Which actually kind of made me want to
go get a job with the forestry service. So you could burn things on purpose. Well, with the
flamethrower. Yeah. Did you hear about this car thing in South Africa? Theft deterrent system
that burned you? No. Yeah. I don't think it's still around. This is like 12 years ago. And, um,
a South African man invented, it was called the blaster. And basically it would shoot a man high
fireball. That's what they called it. What? At you, if you tried to break in to the car
for a mere 3,900 ran, which was, uh, about $7. And this was $19.98. Now it's like 650 bucks.
Okay. And, um, it would squirt liquefied gas from a bottle in the trunk through two nozzles
located under the front door. And the, the, the rub is you couldn't, um, turn one on and turn one
off. So if a guy was breaking into like the driver's side door, it would still shoot fire out of
the passenger side to whomever might be walking by. Unluckily on that side. Yeah. That's, that's
an invention that wasn't fully thought through. I would think so. But apparently he sold a bunch
of them at the time and, um, he said it's non-lethal and, but it would definitely blind a person is
what he said and keep them from stealing your car. Yeah. Because they can't see cars any longer.
It's terrible. Yeah. Way to go South Africa. Um, lastly, Chuck fire breathers. They're a form of,
they follow the basic principles of flame throwing by drinking kerosene.
Yeah. There you go. If you want to learn about, uh, fire breathers, we have an article on them.
If you want to learn more about flamethrowers and before you send us a listener mail, we are aware
of flamethrower exhaust systems. We've both seen grease before. Yeah. Um, you can type any word you
want to into the handy search bar at howstuffworks.com. It'll yield something interesting. I guarantee
you that. Uh, so Chuck listener mail. I'm going to call this, I love this dude and his name is Guy.
Okay. And not as in, Hey guy, his real name is Guy. I got you. Uh, Guy from San Francisco says,
guys, just listen to the art theft podcast. And by the way, we do know about the Paris heist
that just went down. Yeah. Pretty cool. Uh, very intriguing for future monetary incentive,
neither here nor there. However, I have a little bit, a little habit that I thought I might like
to share that loosely pertains. I have never stolen art knowingly. However, I do frequently
and I'm subjected to, uh, I travel frequently and I'm subjected to much distasteful art,
guilty of being a budget traveler. So there's the rub. But to amuse myself, I like to take the
horrible art off the wall, take it out of the glass and frame and add the ever so slightest detail.
This guy's wonderful. He does this in hotels. A chicken in the corner by the barn, a seagull,
flying over the crest of a wave, a beer bottle and fishing pole by the babbling brook. I do it
in every hotel, motel, hotel, hostel, bungalow, you name it. I will stay there and I will change
the art. They have art in hostels now. Yeah, probably not. Uh, it makes me chuckle to think
that maybe one day someone will be staring in an awful hotel painting and look closely and notice
one of the Gallant Cowboys has a tin of skull by his left boot heel. So if you stay in cheap hotels,
keep your eyes out, people. You may have stayed where a guy from San Francisco has stayed. Just
don't turn on the black light is all I have to say. That's awesome. That is awesome, man. I love to
hear people doing cool stuff. Vandalism. Yeah, but it's, it's vandalism with like an eye toward
coolness. It's vandalism. Right. Well, if you're a starving artist who shows your work at the
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