Stuff You Should Know - SYSK Selects: How Kleptomania Works

Episode Date: November 17, 2018

In this episode of Stuff You Should Know, Josh and Chuck discuss kleptomania, a disorder in which people have an overwhelming impulse to steal unnecessary items. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and relive it Listen to hey, dude, the 90s called on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Hello everyone, have you stolen anything today? Well, I hope not because that's wrong There's a real condition called kleptomania and on December 17th 2009 We were inspired to research and talk about it and that's what I decided to go with this week for the stuff You should know select episode kleptomania very fascinating condition Don't steal it everyone. You can steal this podcast. That's what I say. It's free anyway, but just steal it take it home Put it in your pocket. Don't tell anybody

Welcome to stuff you should know from house stuff works calm Hey and welcome to the podcast I'm Josh Clark the Chuck the Chuck the Chuck is on fire How you doing Chuck you've been sitting on that one for a while distance yesterday We've actually have not recorded in two weeks, and I have a feeling Josh has been planning that for two weeks I just told you I came up with it yesterday I don't buy I was listening to your sweet voice while I swept the floors in my house Okay, and I think of dog hair you think of me. I thought like no I thought it was your voice that made me think of you. Geez. Yeah. I thought man

I've been opening up the show pretty boring wise lately Well, I'm glad you're talking about this now then. Yeah anyway Chuck, how you doing? Good sir. It has been a long time hasn't it? Uh-huh. Okay, so You know it's stealing season buddy. Is it yeah? It pretty much kicks off in November and really goes up through the roof on Black Friday. It's much more difficult to steal during Cyber Monday, but yeah As Christmas comes around people love to steal people love to hold people up with guns knives

Threats of physical violence that kind of thing. Wow. That's a this is inspiring. Yeah, it is And actually it turns out that this stealing season will probably be worse than usual Because there was a report released Called the global retail theft barometer. Okay. It was released Um mid-November a couple weeks back the GRTB. Yeah, I'm a fan. I know you are And it said that this year Businesses have lost retail businesses have lost a hundred and fifteen billion dollars worldwide From stealing from theft. What's America? Do you have that?

45 billion Wow because in our article it says 10 billion 10 billion is like an average So that's a huge increase. It is actually I'll tell you what usually The there I guess there's an increase every year and usually Worldwide it increases by about 1.5 percent I wonder if that's in direct relation to the cost of goods increasing I think that that actually does have something to do with it in this time article. I read this year 6% increase worldwide. Okay, and in America North America. There's an 8.1 percent increase Wow, so people are just stealing left and right and they were the authors of the study the

Center for Retail Research apparently talk to cops talk to shoplifters And said, you know, what's going on? They talked to shoplifters, huh? How so do you know people who've been busted for shoplifting? Okay? I thought you meant that had not been caught. No, they just hang around Macy's and they're like You look like a shoplifter you scuzzball or I saw what you did and I won't report you If you answer these five questions exactly and give me a saw buck What is that a 20? I think we've gone over this before I think it's a fiver. Okay, so I'm I know it's a 10. I Bet we get some Lister mill on this one bet. It's either a fiver or 10

so Chuck what they found from talking to these people is that there is an increase in the the perception that Companies are making off with all this money during while everybody else is having hard times And so they kind of feel justified in stealing gotcha and they're seeing a much rise in the middle class Stealing people who can afford stuff and just aren't paying right and apparently This of this victimless crime. That's kind of another perception since you're stealing from a giant corporation in the United States We paid an extra four hundred and thirty six bucks a household in

Consumer goods prices. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah same with credit card So the shrinkage along right? Yeah same with credit card fraud That's why I mean that that's not all why but one reason why the interest rates are so sky-high because People say I'll just charge a bunch of stuff and not pay it insurance fraud It's just it's just you know that stupid inch that stupid credit card company is gonna take the hit They're the but they don't know although they should they but they don't they don't take a hit They pass it all along. Of course they do that's how it works. We're all slaves Chuck suckers Anyway, somewhere in that those those statistics. I just um, you know

spewed out but There are a very tiny pop a percentage of that population that are kleptomaniacs Whoa, I feel like I just gave birth to a watermelon a square watermelon. Yeah Yes, Josh kleptomania is not exactly in fact. It's not at all shoplifting Shoplifting is the means by which you would perform your kleptomania That's an excellent definition Chuck and I've read this article too, and I know that that was not in there That was a CD special and just made it up. Yeah, good one

Although I would say you could steal from anyone and that would be kleptomania. It doesn't have to be a store Yeah, but apparently it is generally stores really or parties But yeah, if you're gonna steal from another from an individual, it's usually at a party. I think right, but it generally is retailers Let's what what differentiates kleptomaniacs from shoplifters? Well, there's actually a definition as outlined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, right that says that They they outline this criteria Josh the individual repeatedly fails to resist the impulse to steal items that are not needed For personal use or monetary value, right? Yeah

The individual experiences tension before stealing the tension is relieved after stealing and the theft is not due to anger Revenge delusions hallucinations or impaired judgment, right? And I think there's yeah, there's one more psychological disorders can't account for the stealing behaviors different other Psychological disorders. Let's do a little play acting. Oh, I love this. Okay. Um, I'm going to be a kleptomaniac Okay, you are going to be a tube of lipstick All right. Okay. Hold on. Let me get into character man. You're you are a master. Okay. I'm there Okay. All right, so I'm walking into the store and I'm you know looking for some sunglasses that I intend to purchase and all of a sudden I feel this horrible tension. My stomach is tight

I'm starting to sweat a little bit because I just spotted Chuck the tube of lipstick Who is sitting there as an inanimate object because if you talk then that's delusion and it doesn't count as kleptomania So I'm looking at Chuck. I'm feeling this horrible tension. I know that I'm going to steal I don't want to steal but I have to because it's the only way to relieve the tension So I've just grabbed Chuck and put him in my pocket and I don't even wear lipstick There's no explanation for this I make it out of the store and as I enter into the rest of the mall and start to feel like I'm not about to be caught That tension goes away

Maybe replaced with a little bit of a thrill a kick right and then boom I get hit by this crushing guilt. I've just stolen again. Not only have I stolen from something from somebody I Have failed to yet again resist this overwhelming urge So I take the lipstick and I go to my grandmother's house who's now dead But in the scenario she's actually alive and I just put it in with the rest of her lipstick go about my business Feeling generally bad about myself Ta-da, can I talk now? Yeah, first of all, who's a little weird being in your pocket. Yeah, let me say that I liked it. But yeah, dude. You just hit on a lot of the major points

Tension relief of tension a guilt a rush Giving away what you stole. Yeah stealing something you don't need or hoarding sometimes Yeah, a lot of times people will hoard it I read a case of a woman in the early 20th century who was caught shoplifting upper middle class? They caught her went to her house and found all the stuff that she'd stolen with the price tags I'm clearly not used. There's not a no one they don't use the stuff that they steal I've got a hoarder for you, buddy. Let's hear it this dude in April of this year in Israel was busted They went to his house and they found motorcycle helmets

Watches Louis Vuitton handbags 150 pair of shoes 200 pair of sunglasses Olive oil laundry detergent all kinds of stuff unopened in this guy's house Yeah, literally stacked in in every corner of the house from room to room and he admitted that he'd been shoplifting For a decade every time he went to a story shop lifted for a decade and he clearly lived alone And no he has a wife and son and now he has a family you know to keep their mouth Well, this is the funny part and of course, this is from an Israeli newspaper It says his wife and son are suspected of knowing of his activity, but doing nothing about it

I don't know if that's a formal charge, but he also was busted with a big Roll of stickers that say like paid for thank you for coming that kind of thing. Oh, so that was part of his deal He would go in there and like put that on his big TV box or whatever I wonder if that disqualifies him as a kleptomaniac though. I Don't think so why cuz he pre-planned it. Uh-huh because one of the things Freud and rich is that how we say his name? Yes author of this article PhD No, I

Thought it was Craig Freundlich. I know there's no hell. Oh, there's not no I totally invented that okay I've been reading it that way for two and a half years. We're gonna call him dr. Freud. Okay, okay, dr. Freud pointed out that Um people who are kleptomaniacs true kleptomaniacs or I think from what I gather we don't call them kleptomaniacs We call them people with kleptomania, right? Don't go into a store intending to steal. They don't go to steal They're just overcome by the impulse when they're in a store. Yeah, that makes sense The other thing that makes that guy hinky as a candidate for a person with kleptomania is that he's a man Yeah, women more often and this is a little hinky, too, but women are more often diagnosed with kleptomania But that is slanted a little bit because I think it said that women are less likely

To admit to it or to report it to like their psychiatrist that kind of thing. Oh, no men Men who steal go to prison women who still well psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, so that that could definitely slay the population but traditionally People think that kleptomania is a feminine disorder. Yeah, you ever seen the ice storm? No, I need to oh really? That's a great movie. Uh, you said that shamefully. I do feel kind of ashamed actually the mother and daughter Joan Allen and Christina Ricci both Shoplift in that film at separate times. I think she's about heartbreakers

That's a gurney weaver and what's her name Jennifer. Love you. Yeah. No, I'm talking about the ice storm I don't think I don't think so. Yeah. In fact, I think Joan Allen actually steals lipstick There you go. Maybe that was me. Yeah It is one of my favorite movies On the podcast paydude the 90s called David Lasher and Christine Taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude, bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey dude as our jumping off point But we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s

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Hey, I'm Lance Bass host of the new I heart podcast frosted tips with Lance Bass The hardest thing can be knowing who to turn to when questions arise or times get tough or you're at the end of the road Okay, I see what you're doing. Do you ever think to yourself? What advice would Lance Bass and my favorite boy bands give me in this situation if you do you've come to the right place? Because I'm here to help this. I promise you. Oh god. Seriously, I swear And you won't have to send an SOS because I'll be there for you Oh, man, and so will my husband Michael. Um, hey, that's me. Yeah, we know that Michael and a different hot sexy teen crush Boyband or each week to guide you through life step by step

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Mm-hmm have a friend. Yeah, they're so lonely. They're trying to basically make friends with the police by being arrested So that's not kleptomaniac. That's your shop. No, and I don't know I was thinking about when I saw that in the late 70s Um, I thought of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry finds out that his parents steal batteries and in turn finds out that Almost all elderly people steal batter. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah for their tip calculators. Is that what it's for? The Willard I'm ruined You know another thing Josh is uh, you you hit on it again with your little play acting They usually steal stuff they can afford and stuff like shampoo it listed. Mm-hmm and sunglasses are big and They like famously Winona Ryder Winona Horowitz, excuse me

No, yeah, really? Uh-huh. That's her name. I had no idea. She famously stole several thousand dollars from Sex Fifth Avenue Five thousand I think yeah, she can definitely swing that. Yeah, and I don't know if it ever came out that they Did they ever plead kleptomania or anything with her? Did they know? No, just quietly tried to you know pay their fine and yeah, and that that brings up a pretty good point is a kleptomania defense is Really really hard To prove or to successfully get off on it is You know why why? Well, your defense lawyer must argue

Win the argument that there was no reason for you to steal it right no financial gain no revenge They got to prove all those things beyond a reasonable doubt. First of all, yeah, that's one you want to follow up Well, I know that the the justice department doesn't recognize kleptomania as a defense So if you're up for federal charges, don't even try it Yeah, exactly and that's that's like the americans with disabilities act that's in legislation. So right good luck and So chuck kleptomania What is it is it an actual disease should it be covered in the americans with disabilities act should the doj

Finally open up their eyes and be like okay. Okay. There's such a thing as kleptomania. Well, we don't know for sure There's uh, some people think it's like tagged on to other psychological disorders Like what like obsessive compulsive Or personality and mood disorders. Okay, so it may possibly like it could be a symptom Yeah, or a byproduct of a larger disorder, right? Yes, okay But by and large it's classified as an impulse control disorder like gambling or pyromania fire starting awesome. Yeah, or Trickotillomania, yes, I've never heard of that. Yeah obsessive hair pulling Yeah, I wonder if that means pulling your own hair or other people's probably both. I don't know

Huh, that's an excellent question actually and it got our producer jerry giggling. So, you know, it's good. Yeah So it's either a uh a symptom of a larger disorder or it's its own impulse control disorder. Um, one of the reasons we don't know is because treatments um for Kleptomania are Hit or miss Yeah, and they haven't studied a lot and the other thing is like it hit me like everything else with the brain It's still sort of a mystery. It is and one of the reasons why they have had trouble studying kleptomania is

Finding kleptomaniacs, right? I found a study from 2002 that was just getting off the ground at stanford And um, these people were looking for 24 kleptomaniacs for their study and we're having to go on tv radio Everywhere to try to find like true kleptomaniacs and one of um, this guy who was quoted in a in this article on the study Um, a guy named will cup chick, which is a pretty cool name if you ask me agreed He's a toronto psychologist. He said um in the 450 cases. I've assessed probably only one or two of the people were actual kleptomaniacs Really, we're talking about a very very small Fascinating part of the larger population. Didn't they I think I saw someone in the article. They they Said maybe five percent of

Psychiatric patients. Yeah admit to being or our diagnosis kleptomania Right and and you just uh, you you revealed something else too. I think a lot of it is admission I mean like remember when me the play act in kleptomaniac left and went into the mall was crushed by guilt I remember that I wanted to get the object away from me. You remember the desire to uh keep This secret I think probably keeps a lot of people from coming forward Yeah, so we have no idea how large or small this population is but I think from people who examine shoplifters They find that the actual kleptomaniacs among them are a very small population, right? um, you know who has studied it

The university of minnesota school of medicine. Yeah, specifically psychiatrist john grant and he studied the brain And there are a few little he posits a few theories here one is that a a defect in a molecule that transports serotonin Might be messed up. Yeah. Well, not the defect. It was messed up. It would clearly be messed up It was a defect if the defect is messed up then you're a okay Potentially head trauma could cause something like this. It could damage the circuits Uh in the frontal lobes, right that could maybe happen and uh decrease in the fine structure of white matter In the frontal lobe, but it's all in the frontal lobe, right and the limbic system

Which as of course we know is the brain's reward center Uh, um, so that's in the frontal lobe, right, which also controls um impulse or the frontal lobe controls impulse mood There you have it, dude. Yeah, so clearly it's it could be its own disorder in the frontal lobe, right? Something's going on up there um, so did we say that uh treatments Don't work all that well like um, sometimes Uh ssri's Work, but not all the time right cognitive um therapy works sometimes you want to talk about some of the cognitive therapy Yeah, you know cognitive therapy cracks me up a little bit. Yeah, it's like snapping a rubber band on your wrist when you have like an

Impure thought right um covert sensitive sensitization. Josh is when a patient Wants to steal and then all of a sudden you're you're trained to imagine the consequences Which to me that's like I thought that's what you're just supposed to teach people. It's like um, no It's like you're getting trouble spraying a cat in the face like every time it does something you don't want with a little water bottle Yeah Uh aversion therapy That is if you feel the urge to steal you will be told to do something like holding your breath until it's literally painful Oh, i'm sorry. That's the one that's like spraying a cat in the face. Yeah, you are right with that covert sensitization

That is kind of what we as humans should be walking around doing at all times, right? Yeah, thinking about the consequences of your actions. Sure Uh, and then the last one they use is uh systematic desensitization which is uh relaxation therapy and substituting Relaxing feelings instead of the urge to steal All of those are probably um the most difficult thing kleptomaniac will ever attempt too I found another little study though. Let's hear it check in april of this year. They uh started a test where they gave uh kleptomaniacs or kleptomaniac, what do we call them again? Those with kleptomaniac? People with kleptomaniac

I guess no one wants to be called a maniac in any way uh, they they Studied they got 25 habitual thieves men and women between 17 and 75 and they gave them the drug Naltrexone Which is what they give alcoholics and drug addicts to curb their their bad behavior Is that the stuff that makes your hangover really really bad? I think so it's supposed to quell those impulses and it kind of worked

Um after eight weeks they found that two-thirds of the uh people who had not given the placebo Had no urge to steal and only like eight percent had placebo did so they also ate their vegetables It went to bed when they were told to it's a be good drug. Yeah We could use that Chuck On the podcast hey, dude the 90s called david lasher and christine taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey, dude as our jumping off point But we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s

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Is that it almost okay, we're going to travel back to the beginning now or this should have been at the beginning Okay, uh kleptomania was um, I think it first appears in literature in uh, 397 ce Okay, uh, st. Augustine admitted to Lusting to thieve boy st. Augustine was something else. He really was If he existed at all sure, um, and then it ends up in the medical literature in 1816 Uh, swiss physician by the name of mathy wrote of a unique madness characterized by the tendency to steal without motive And without necessity. Do you have it 1816? Yep And then freud came in and said that had something to do with penis envy

No, no kidding and now it's a 45. Well, not sort of kleptomania, but shoplifting is a 45 billion dollar in this country Yeah, took off from 1816 to 2009. Jeez. It's good stuff All right. Well, that's kleptomania. If you want to know any more you can read the article by our own dr. Freud Um, uh by typing in kleptomania. Remember it begins with a k Uh in the handy search bar at howstuffworks.com and since I just said that of course dear friends This means listener mail Josh i'm just gonna call this Hippy rob followed up. Whoo, your old buddy hippie. Should you say something about hippie rob? Well, let's wait till after okay

Uh, hi, josh and chuck. I like them when they start that way. I don't normally write into TV shows or radio shows, etc But I've heard josh talk about hippie rob and at the end of the hangover podcast He mentioned that he wanted to hear from people who knew of his whereabouts I do in fact know a hippie rob and wanted to offer my knowledge of this person to determine If it was the same hippie rob and I've seen this email and I know that it's a real hippie rob because he capitalized the h and the rob The hippie rob. I know is originally from venal haven main A medium-sized a medium-sized island off the coast of down east main

Let's say things weird up there down east His full name. I didn't say his full name here, but it's robert blank And uh, he has thick blonde redlocks He's sure telltale sign of a hippie. Sure. He was about 5 10 and never talked about his age But I would put him in the upper 30s and possibly lower 40s in 1998 He loves coffee hates alcohol And he mentioned one of his other habits that he loves which we're not going to mention on the air But his name is hippie rob. So fill in the blanks. Right

Uh, he squatted at my apartment in portland main for the summer of 1998 This is so close at the time. He was living off of social security from a quote permanent work related accident I think we've all known a hippie rob. Yeah, uh, but something told me that his permanent disability was not physically related I would see him every few summers in main and he would shoot the breeze We would shoot the breeze while drinking coffee and doing other things. He was a terrible mooch I know that he loved to travel the warm places in the winter with his favorite being hawaii And uh, if you read this on the air, could you give a shout out to my girlfriend christin? It was amazing support about me listening to the podcast gaylin from portland main. So josh, is it hippie rob?

No, there's a couple of things missing here. It is so close. I mean the age Uh, one thing is no one knows the origin of the real hippie rob. No one knows where hippie robs from dreadlocks He does. Yes. Um, he uh, and he's blonde although you would say more like strawberry blondish Sure, not true blonde um Has a beard kind of a little guy Uh in 1998 he would have been late 30s or so world-class mooch. Oh man big time Yeah, well you used to like, you know, we'd buy beer and we'd buy sear and avada beer and rob didn't have any money for a while

and then he'd get paid and um He had his turn to buy the beer and he'd buy like a 12 pack of milwaukee beast ice and we'd be like This is this is not the same rob. Right. Um Um, uh, there's a dog missing and this is a very key point the dog sedona I'll have to tell you about him sometime. Okay. Uh, he's a wolf dog named sedona hippie rob owned. Yes. Okay. No They were best friends. There was no, of course. He has a wolf dog. That's so appropriate that he's best friends And then the real giveaway was that hippie rob loved alcohol, right? That's he would never even now he could have given up booze

No one would have no one would say hippie rob hates alcohol. He just doesn't drink it anymore And he probably still does hippie rob loves alcohol. So that was the one that was the telltale giveaway. All right So not hippie rob unfortunately. Yeah, and I guess if you know where hippie rob is I've revealed some more clues here send us an email. We still want to know we're looking for him And uh, is it christen or kirsten chuck? Who? Uh in the email galen's girlfriend. Uh, kirsten. Kristen special thanks to you for letting galen listen to us We appreciate that. Uh, if you have any cool stories about your significant other letting you do something That you want to do

Put it in an email. Also, if you know where hippie rob is we want to hear that too Uh, you can email chuck and me at all times at stuffpodcast at howstuffworks.com For more on this and thousands of other topics visit howstuffworks.com Want more how stuff works check out our blogs on the howstuffworks.com homepage On the podcast hey, dude the 90s called david lasher and christine taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey, dude as our jumping off point But we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s

We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and relive it Listen to hey, dude the 90s called on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Hey, i'm lance bass host of the new iHeart podcast frosted tips with lance bass Do you ever think to yourself? What advice would lance bass and my favorite boy bands give me in this situation? If you do you've come to the right place because i'm here to help and a different hot sexy teen crush boy bander Each week to guide you through life tell everybody you everybody about my new podcast and make sure to listen So we'll never ever have to say bye. Bye. Bye. Bye

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