Stuff You Should Know - The Unsolved Indiana Dunes Disappearances

Episode Date: February 18, 2020

In July 1966, three women out for a day at the beach waded into the water of Lake Michigan, got onto a boat and were never heard from again. To this day, not a trace of them has ever turned up and theories of what became of them abound. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's Josh T. Just producing away over there. And that makes this Stuff You Should Know a super-duper mysterious mystery edition. That's right.

This is a super-mysterious one, super-duper, you could say. This is a good one. I never heard of it. I hadn't either. Maybe we should have a spin-off show, just about mysteries and missing persons. I've long thought that.

Yeah? Yeah. But then everyone's like, nah, just put them on Stuff You Should Know. Yeah, everyone's like, pepper it. Well, you gotta spin it out. Right. Spin it off.

What is this? A Cleveland show? Oh, man. I never watched that. Was it good? I never watched it either. You weren't a family guy fan though, were you? I mean, it's fine, but no, I wasn't a fan. Yeah.

All right, what about Laverne and Shirley? What is this, Laverne and Shirley? Spin-off from Happy Days, right? That's right, Chuck. That's right. Let's do this. And Morgan Mindy spun off too. What is this, Too Close for Comfort?

Was that a spin-off? He got this, man. Too Close for Comfort? He wasn't. No, I don't know. What was it? I don't know, I'm sorry. I was about to say.

I don't think that's right. What is this, the Ropers? Oh, well, sure. Tree's Company. Okay. What is this, Aftermash? All right. I thought Too Close for Comfort was a spin-off.

I think it might be. Well, my first guess was it might have been Ted Knight's character from The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Man, that was such a good show. But that's not true because in Too Close for Comfort, he was a cartoonist. That's right. Remember?

Yeah. And the only thing I remember, well, I remember a lot about the show because I loved it. I was in love with those daughters, man. I don't remember them. I mean, that was the whole setup, is that their daughters lived in the same house

or next door or something. Caused trouble? Yeah, you know, they were just a couple of. Hellraisers? Hellraising beauties. And who was the guy that was so great? I think you're talking about Charles in charge. No, I'm thinking of Too Close for Comfort.

But he was a cartoonist and he would wear college sweatshirts as part of his character. And he wore a Georgia Bulldog sweatshirt one time. And I thought it was the coolest thing ever. It's like, how did they know that that's a thing? All right, you're like, I'm basically on TV right now.

That's what it felt like. Oh man, all right. Monroe. That was him, the Monroe character. I want to say Ted Knight. Yeah, no, Ted Knight was the lead. The main guy, Jim J. Bullock, man. What was he, Hollywood Squares?

Oh, sure, among other things, like Too Close for Comfort. Does this kind of as a tangent if we haven't actually gotten started? No, this is a preamble. Okay, preamble, nicely done Chuck. Yeah, this is a good one. And you put this together.

Where'd you get most of the stuff? Wrote it myself. Oh, well. There's one part that I was like here, this is just easier if I copy and paste from a Chicago Tribune article from 1987. I read that one. It's very good.

That's one of the things about this case is anyone who kind of gets involved in this will see. There is not a lot of information out there. Yeah, and funny enough, one of the biggest mysteries of this whole thing is what kind of boat that was, which we'll get to. That was my bad. Well, no man, I saw in a couple of other articles

that call this boat a tri-maran, which is very much a catamaran. Right, they made the same mistake, I did. Yes. Okay. Yeah, because it's the same thing. I saw a tri-hold, I was like, oh, it's a tri-cat, which is a sailboat. And that's what I thought it was.

No, there's a tri-hold speed boat called the runabout that was kind of big in the 60s. Well, more specifically, it's a tri-hold runabout. A runabout doesn't necessarily mean it has three hulls. Okay. But those are my favorite boats in the world, so these 50s and 60s fiberglass runabouts. This is the 50s and 60s runabout of all time.

With three hulls. You thought one was crazy, just get ready for three. So, yeah, the boat will come up and I had to mark out tri-cat in just about 75 places. I'm very sorry, that was again my bad. So, what we're talking about here finally now is the disappearance of three young women in suburban Chicago in the mid-1960s

at Indiana Dunes State Park on Lake Michigan. Yeah, now it's Indiana Dunes National Seashore, National Lakes Shore. National Lakes Shore. But at the time, it was a state park. And this is Saturday, July 2nd, 1966. That's right, the three women. There was a 21-year-old named Patricia Blau.

Yeah, I think so. She went, she got in her car, which was an 11-year-old at this point, Buick Sedan, 1955 Buick, went to pick up her friends, Ann Miller, at her house. She lived with her folks. And then to her other friend, Renee Broul, who was the only one who was married,

went to pick her up at her house. They were 19 and 20 and they were like. 19 and 21. I think one of them was 22, at least. 1920 and 21 is what I saw. Oh, is that right? Okay. But those are nitpicky details.

Sure. They're all late teens, early 20s. And... Wait a minute, did you just call me nitpicky? No, no, no. I think you did. No. Okay.

Did you just call me a liar on national TV? TV. I think you just did. Ann and Patricia were friends. They were horse riders. And they were friends from these horse stables. But they were all three buddies, not since grade school,

but for the last couple of years, it seems like. Right, yeah. And they all lived around Chicago and that's where they were traveling. About 60 miles, 80 miles, I've seen both to Indiana Dune State Park. They just basically go hang out on the beach that day. Again, it was Saturday.

It was the July 4th weekend. Crowded. Yeah. Super crowded. They were just going to the beach to have some fun, as most people think. They got to the beach by 10 a.m., parked the Buick, hiked over the dunes

on the kind of rickety boardwalk over to the beach and set up camp. I think about 100 yards from shore. That's a pretty substantial beach. Wow. Either there, they hiked 100 yards and set up near the beach. It might be the latter of the two.

That sounds more right. And on this weekend, again, because it was July 4th weekend, the beach was just absolutely packed. And this is Lake Michigan, which is a pretty, pretty big lake. And this beach itself or this park itself, I think is like 26 miles of shoreline

or something like that. But even still, there's like 9,000 people on the beach that weekend. Yeah, I saw 9,000 to 10,000 people, 4,000 to 5,000 cars in the parking lots, and 4,000 to 6,000 boats in the water. So. Packed.

Just packed. It's like Jaws or something up in there. Right. Amity Island, 4th of July. So the Renee and Patty set up shop, put down their beach blanket, just kind of close by to this teenage couple who are like their beach neighbors, you know.

I imagine everyone was pretty close. Sure. Kind of. With that many people. Cheeked elbow to jowl. Isn't that what that's called? Sure. Okay.

And this teenage couple kind of factor in big time, but just kind of note their presence for now. That's right. So about noon, Chuck, well, actually the teenage couple factor in now. They noticed that the three women were wading into the water about noon. So I guess for about two hours,

they were just kind of hanging out in the sun and they got hot enough to go into the water about noon. That's right. And that was the last time that this couple saw them. Maybe. Perhaps. The day went on, they never came back. This teenage couple said their stuff's still laying here.

You know, they may be elf party in somewhere. So, you know, they didn't think like, these three young ladies are missing and perhaps murdered. I think they were worried that their stuff might get stolen. Yeah. I think it was as innocent as that. Yeah.

The teenage couple, they were about to leave and they didn't want to just leave it there. They felt kind of somehow responsible for it like you will. Yeah. Which is what you did in 1966. Or today still, if you're a decent person. That's right. So they went to a ranger and they said,

hey, these young women were here. They left their stuff. The ranger thought the same thing. He's like, well, let me just take care of this stuff and collect it. And so it doesn't get stolen. They're probably off parting. But that was the last that anyone saw,

these three young women, no one to this day knows what happened. They vanished literally without a trace. Yeah. There's never been any evidence of what happened to them. No trace of them. No nothing. Nothing from that point. I think we should take an earlier break

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Listen to Frosted Tips with Lance Bass on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, Chuck. So, um, about 18 hours after that park ranger collected their things that I'd say around dusk, um, a call came in to Indiana Dune State Park ranger station and it was from Harold Blah, um, or Blau, Patty's father. And he wanted to know if the rangers had seen his daughter because she had been reported missing by her family back in Chicago, like, you know, a few hours before.

Yeah. So they went through her stuff. The rangers did. They found a set of car keys that, um, had a little, um, miniature Illinois license plate that matched a license plate in the parking lot. Yeah. And there were great coincidence where you could get those custom made at some little beach shop.

Right. Which is probably what happened. So they find her car, they found her Buick there, uh, in the parking lot, Indiana State police say we're going to take over here because it's pretty clear that this is a missing person's case. Yeah. And so they, it was obvious that they had, they had never left the park or at least they hadn't left, you know, in the car, right.

And they left their car, they left their stuff that's suddenly very highly suspicious. The idea that they were just off partying is suddenly kind of a tenuous theory, you know? Yeah. Like left all their stuff, like purses and personal stuff. We should, we should talk a little bit about that. They left, yeah, money in their wallets, they left their transistor radio, they left their magazines open, they left their suntan lotion.

It seemed like the way they left their stuff that they were planning on just getting in the water and then coming back from the water and then that was that. Right. There didn't seem to be any kind of forethought to their stuff. Right. And then the fact that their car was still there and this was a full day after the last been seen, it was suspicious. So the, like if they were going to party, they would have said at least like, oh, let

me grab my purse. Right. And now a night had come and gone and the next day it was already halfway done and there was nothing. That'd be a hell of a party. Yes. So people started to get kind of worried and they started to search the park and they couldn't find them anywhere.

And that's when the police became involved, when it was obvious that they were no longer in this park, even though they didn't seem to have left, which means they just kind of vanished. Yeah. So it was a pretty big search party. They had soldiers volunteering from a missile base. They had obviously the sheriff had the civil air patrol get involved. I think Patty's dad was a, see a pilot.

He was a colonel. He was a colonel in the civil air patrol. Coast Guard gets involved, dive teams, airplanes, helicopters. Sheriff's posse and horseback. Yeah. Like they had people combing this area. They went back to the 19th century to get people to search. They searched about 250 cabins in the area.

They had a dune buggy trolling the seashore at night, seeing if bodies were washing it, or the lake shore. Yeah. Seeing if bodies were washing the shore. Like it was a land, sea and air search of this area. Yes. And it was a pretty extensive area, but it was a really extensive search. The big criticism that's leveled today against the whole thing is that they're two full days

past before the search was mounted. This was July 5th. The first 48. First 48. Anybody who's ever seen that show knows like this are the most critical moments or the most critical hours in trying to solve a case because it gets colder and colder with every hour that passes. So that was a big thing.

And one of the most startling things about this case is that search turned up nothing. No evidence of what happened to them at all. Yeah, the first little clue that they found wasn't something they found while searching, but inside Renee Brewell's purse that she left behind, there was a letter that she had written to her husband that was kind of like, I've had it with you. All you do is work on your hot rods and party with your friends. And I'm kind of done hinting that she wanted to leave the marriage. The cop, you know, obviously that's going to be a suspicious kind of thing to find.

So you go talk to the husband. And they interviewed the husband and the family and everyone seemed to agree like, hey, things aren't perfect, but she probably wrote that letter when she was really upset. She didn't give it to me. You know, I might work in my hot rods a little too much, but I didn't kill my wife and our marriages is fine overall and then the cops believed it. Well, her family backed that up too, they don't have marital troubles. This seems like something Renee would have done and then just forgotten she even had

the note. So the cops cleared her husband of being involved in any wrongdoing, but it raised a longstanding theory that's still around today that we'll talk about theories later that possibly Renee ran off. And if Renee ran off to just kind of start a new life or whatever, maybe the other women had too. Maybe. Maybe.

So another interesting thing they learned and Miller was by all accounts, about three months pregnant and had talked to her friends. By some accounts, not all. Yeah. Like her closest friends had said. She said she was pregnant. Yeah. Right.

But I don't think they have like physical evidence of like a pregnancy test, right? Right. So they said that she had, friends said that she had talked about having to go live in a home for unwed mothers. She was sort of up against the wall with this, obviously in the mid sixties, it was not a great thing to be an unwed mother. And it possibly, we don't know this either for sure, but she was dating a married man and it could have been his baby, which would have been problematic as well.

Right. Another good reason to RUN and OFT. That's right. Okay. So now two of them have a motive to run off and start a new life. Yeah. And we should also mention too that Patty was also dating a married man supposedly. And they both were buddies from this horse stable and it turns out that there was a real

scumbag. I looked into this guy more, this Silas Jane. He was a rapist. He was linked to the murder of three boys. He was linked to the murder of two, the Grimes sisters. He was looked into for the disappearance of some heiress in Chicago. He had a hit put out on his brother. He had a firebomb planted in this other woman's car.

This is a bad, bad dude. And he had an affiliation with this horse stable. Yeah. His brother, I believe, owned the horse stable. And Si was the organized crime boss running the criminal ring out of the horse stable. And this was the stable that Anne and Patty rode their horses at. I think Anne was actually, she had a job as a horse exerciser at these stables. So they were really involved in just rubbing elbows with this organized crime ring.

And so cops were like, well, wait a minute, this is kind of huge. As far as looking into their backgrounds, this was the biggest red flag the cops had turned up. For sure. That they were known. Not that they were criminals themselves, but just that they came in close contact with a really dangerous, violent criminal and his gang. Yeah.

And one of the later theories was that they witnessed the rigging of the firebomb on this car of this woman. And they had to be taken care of. But we'll get to the theories later. Sure. So as they start, these were like the leads that the investigation turned up, but the cops also very wisely involved the media pretty early on. And so other leads started to come in and you know, there's the usual like, oh, I saw

them in Pontiac, Michigan, getting off of a bus or they were all in my drug store alive and well, you know, last week, even though they've been missing for three weeks, that kind of thing. But there were some solid leads that came in and one of the big ones was a call from a couple from Indianapolis who'd been on the beach that day. And I think this is the problem with this. There's so little writing about this that you kind of have to piece together. I'm pretty sure that this is the same teenage couple that were their beach neighbors.

I'm pretty sure. They said that they saw them go into the water at noon. And while they were hanging out in the water, a man probably in his early 20s with dark wavy hair, well tanned, came up in a tri-hold runabout ski boat, which is just stop and look up, tri-hold runabout 1960s and some will come up. They're really cool looking. Like it looks like the boat that Frank Sinatra would drive around on a lake. And it's the kind of lake that you would, if you were like an early 20s guy, pick up

like girls at the lake and it's just like a fun, cool, zippy boat. Yes. And side note, if you are turned on by those boats like I am, you can find these things and buy them for like 1200 bucks. These old fiberglass boats. And engage in mechafilia. You can. You can't buy the old wooden boats.

You can, but not for 1200 bucks. Oh, okay. Those are really expensive. But the fiberglass ones you can get for fairly cheap. Yeah. Well, that's what this guy supposedly has. And like restore it and you know. Sure.

It's pretty cool. Yeah. Are you saying that this is what you're going to do now? No, I'm not saying that, but I've looked into it because they're just so like stylish and cool. They are. And they had like this one was turquoise interior. They all have those like very 60s sort of colors and.

Diamond dusted upholstery. Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty sweet. Yeah. So yeah, this is a white tri-hole runabout with turquoise interior. And that this couple from Indianapolis who called in later said that they saw the three women get on the boat with this guy and drive off.

Yeah. So that's a big one. Huge. And another report from witnesses who said these girls came back at some point, got something to eat and were hanging out on the beach. And then a third lead that came in and said they actually got on another boat, this big cabin cruiser. And this was about three PN with three dudes and the boat didn't have a name on it that

we could discern. So in that first week, they get some boat wreckage. So washes ashore, some styrofoam, some seats, an oil can, looked probably like a busted or wrecked boat. But the police said, listen, we got two boats we're targeting here and none of the stuff from this wreckage or potential wreckage is from those boats. Yeah. They didn't think so at least.

Yeah. Right? So, but the weird thing about that boat wreckage is that no boat was reported wreck that weekend on Lake Michigan. Maybe not in the area around Indiana Dune State Park. That's right. That's a big one. And then secondly, like you said, it doesn't seem to match any of the boats that they were

looking for. So if you step back and take these leads all together, a timeline, a possible timeline emerges where Patty Ann and Renee wade out into the water around noon, go on like a little pleasure cruise on the little tri-hole runabout shortly after, come back to shore, go get something to eat, hang out, and then at three, go out on another boat, a bigger boat, which is possibly also manned by the same guy who is in the tri-hole runabout with a couple of his friends. And that boat definitely had the name sanded off of it, which was a huge red flag.

Exactly. It's very fishy. They found sandpaper and red paint on the beach that had been sanded. Sanded off. So the cabin cruiser seems to have been largely disincluded from suspicion by the cops because from what I saw, the cops talked to some guys, three guys in a cabin cruiser who were there that day who said, we try to pick up some girls and they wouldn't go. One of them said, I'm married.

I can't go and none of them could have been them. Maybe. The other thing that really kind of seemed to have disincluded the cabin cruiser was that someone was actually filming, this is 1966, they were filming home movies on the beach that day. Yeah, that was inevitable, I think. You think so? Yeah, sure.

I found it astounding. Oh, really? Yeah. No, man, that's where all those old great color super eight films, I bet there were 10 of those cameras on the beach that day. Yeah, you're probably right now. And they were, this guy was, you know, because he was filming the day, he was doing a lot of panning back and forth, which was very fortuitous because it kind of proved out some

of the stuff. They saw, and of course this is old film and it wasn't like zoomed in or anything. But they did see what looked like these three women on this little runabout, just like everyone said. So that was like a pretty good find. Yeah, the cabin cruiser, they were like, it looks like there's three women on there and they could be similar, but maybe they don't think so. So the cops seemed to have zeroed in on that the three women waited out into the water

around noon. The guy came up in the tri-hole runabout shortly after they got on the tri-hole runabout and that was the last time anyone saw them. Yeah. And apparently too, it wouldn't have been the weirdest thing in 1966, like to go off with a stranger on his boat. The thing I read said that dudes are always pulling up on their boat and like, hey, ladies, let's take a ride.

That sounds like the 70s. It's for the July. It's fun. It sounds like the 70s. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Sure. Or the 80s.

No, not the 90s. Not the 90s. No. People were not boating in the 90s. Should we take another break? Oh, sure. All right. Let's take another break.

Okay. And we'll talk about the further investigations right for this. From the podcast, Hey Dude, the 90s called David Lasher and Christine Taylor, stars of the cult classic show, Hey Dude, bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces. We're going to use Hey Dude as our jumping off point, but we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s. We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and relive it.

It's a podcast packed with interviews, co-stars, friends, and non-stop references to the best decade ever. Do you remember going to Blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo 64? Do you remember getting Frosted Tips? Was that a cereal? No, it was hair. Do you remember AOL Instant Messenger and the dial-up sound like poltergeist?

So leave a code on your best friend's beeper because you'll want to be there when the nostalgia starts flowing. Each episode will rival the feeling of taking out the cartridge from your Game Boy, blowing on it and popping it back in as we take you back to the 90s. Listen to Hey Dude, the 90s called on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Lance Bass, host of the new iHeart podcast Frosted Tips with Lance Bass. The hardest thing can be knowing who to turn to when questions arise or times get tough

or you're at the end of the road. Ah, okay, I see what you're doing. Do you ever think to yourself, what advice would Lance Bass and my favorite boy bands give me in this situation? If you do, you've come to the right place because I'm here to help. This I promise you. Oh, God. Seriously, I swear.

And you won't have to send an SOS because I'll be there for you. Oh, man. And so my husband, Michael. Um, hey, that's me. Yep, we know that Michael and a different hot sexy teen crush boy band are each week to guide you through life step by step, not another one, kids, relationships, life in general can get messy. You may be thinking, this is the story of my life.

Just stop now. If so, tell everybody, yeah, everybody about my new podcast and make sure to listen so we'll never, ever have to say bye, bye, bye. Listen to Frosted Tips with Lance Bass on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. So check one more thing about the boat that we should say is despite having eyewitnesses, despite having film, seemingly show them in this boat, nothing ever came of it. Yeah.

And the cops even put out the word. They were like, surely someone knows this boat or this boat owner to try hall, turquoise interior, not a crazy boat, but not the most common thing in the world. Right. But they, they never found it. It just kind of vanished along with the women. Yeah. So mystery novels.

That's pretty good. Do you think so? Yeah. Thanks. So once we're on, and as it did, like there are fewer and fewer people actively looking for them. As it happens. It just happens that way.

But sadly, Harold Blau kept this vigil basically for the rest of his life. Yeah. He just kept. That stuff is always just heartbreaking. Yeah. I don't know if he was, if he kept actively searching, but I know he did some traveling even later on in life to go check out leads that he'd heard about. He kept in contact with cops and reporters who were working the case.

And even afterward, after other groups stopped searching, he chartered his own plane so that he could fly reconnaissance flights looking for evidence, all to nothing. He never found any trace of his daughter or what happened. And he was convinced that all of them were dead or they were being held against their will. Right. And he was like, my daughter, you know, he said, we're not overbearing parents. He's like, she's got all the freedom in the world to do what she wants.

She wouldn't have to run away because like we're the coolest basically. There was a psychic that got in touch and this was pretty interesting. A psychic said, I visualize a cabin on Lake Michigan, not too far from the beach blanket with dark colored sand, rickety, rickety wooden stairs up from the beach. The cabin's on a bluff and it has a lawn chair outside with its bottom out. One of the cops investigated, drove as far as he could drive, then did some hiking and found a cabin that met this exact description right down to the chair with the bottom rotted out.

And this was nine years later. Yeah. I mean, you hear stuff like that, you're like, man, you know, I don't believe in psychics calling the cops with clues being super accurate. But it turns out there was no body there because she said to dig and they dug for three days and found nothing. But unless it was a prank, it was a weirdly, eerily accurate description. Yeah.

Yeah. But I mean, if you have an old abandoned cottage. Is there like a 50-50 chance there's gonna be a lawn chair with the bottom rusted out? That's my theory. Maybe. It could be coincidence. I'm with you though. It is pretty interesting at the very least.

So the case remains open and again, not a hint, not a trace, nothing has ever surfaced metaphorically or literally that suggests what happened to those three women. And so theories have been allowed to kind of grow and take different shape and be argued over. And there's like a handful, most of them are fairly sensible actually. Some are kind of pedestrian, some are kind of sensational. But because no evidence has ever come forward, like each one's just about as likely as the other.

Yeah. And well, I think we should mention before we do that that drowning Miller and Blau were both really good swimmers. Yeah. Like super good. Yeah. And I think that's supposed to be 20 to 30 minutes, right? Surely not miles.

I saw miles. Really? Yeah. Let me look. It's like serious elite athlete endurance swimming. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it was miles. Okay.

I'm looking. I'm looking. I don't want to get too nitpicky. Well, if they were swimming 30 miles and they were international champion athletes. Okay. So regardless, they probably did not drown. It is possible that the boat crashed and they did drown and washed up somewhere because like Michigan is huge, 1640 miles of shoreline, it is the deadliest of the Great Lakes.

But it's possible that they washed up somewhere and didn't, you know, weren't ever found. Yeah. Because remember that search didn't start for two full days after they weren't noticed to be missing. Right. So that's one of the more mundane theories. It gets a little more sensational when you look at Dick Wiley's theory. Right.

Dick Wiley was a crime reporter who basically, I guess he reported on the case almost from the outset and really stuck with it for years and years and years. And he developed a theory that Ann Miller being pregnant, it was Ann who was pregnant, right? Yeah. That Ann Miller had gone out there with her girlfriends that day because she planned on getting an illegal underground abortion. This sounds very not believable to me.

So yeah, a lot of people don't believe it, but because so little has been written about this case and this guy is one of the kind of authorities on it, there is some credence to it. Not that she would have gone to get an underground abortion, but that would be performed on a boat. That's the big huge, one of the huge flaws in that. That just seems weird. I can't imagine a more terrible place to perform a delicate procedure like an abortion on a

houseboat. On 4th of July in Lake Michigan. Well, that's another thing too. So what Wiley's theory is is that Ann went out there to get this abortion and Patty and Renee went there as moral support. And they went out and met this guy who took them to the houseboat for the abortion to be performed. The abortion was botched, killing Ann, and the abortionists said, well, we've got to

kill you two now as well, and they got rid of all three bodies, and that's what happened to them. They'd make a heck of a movie. There are a lot of holes in this theory, including the fact that why would you perform an abortion on a houseboat? But there is some things that kind of give it a little bit of credence. In particular, there was a couple named the Largos, what was it? I always want to call her Wanda, but it wasn't.

Was it Helen? I don't know. Yeah, it is Helen actually. Frank and Helen Largo, they actually did have an underground abortion clinic in 1966 in Gary, Indiana, which was very close to the state park. And their nephew Ralph bore a striking resemblance to the description of the man in his early twenties who came up in the tri-hole runabout. Right.

And Ralph is verified as being there that day as well. And he lived with Frank and Helen Largo. So the Wiley's theory that this guy came up and got them to take them to go get this procedure done, again, why would you do it on a houseboat when your clinic is 20 miles away? Yeah. And then secondly, why would you set up this kind of highly illegal procedure in front of that many witnesses, and then thirdly, why would they leave their stuff on the beach

the way that they did if they knew they were going for this appointment? Yeah, this theory is bonkers to me. So we'll discard Wiley's theory. Yeah. The other one obviously was the Silas Jane, the criminal dude from the Stables. People say that they think that they may have witnessed the car bombing of Sheryl Lynn Rude and that he was just getting rid of them and snuffing them out. There is every reason to believe that this guy would have done that, looking at his history

if they did possibly witness this rigging of a car bomb. He also had an associate who supposedly bore a resemblance to the man in the tri-hole runabout. Tan, wavy hair. Yeah, early 20s. And I saw this and I could not verify it elsewhere, but there is a widespread rumor that or an unsubstantiated claim that that associate to Silas Jane put in an insurance claim for a boat that had gone down around that time, which would definitely account for things. It would also account for why there was no boat reported missing.

You wouldn't report a boat missing if you used it to cover up a triple homicide. Yeah, because that's the biggest thing to me is if there were other people on this boat and it was an accident, someone would have said, hey, my dark wavy haired son is missing and he has this boat. And there were no missing persons reports besides from those three. And what's more, even if that guy was just a total loner who had no friends or family, somebody would say a boat like that probably would have been towed by car and trailer. And that car and trailer would have just been left there over time.

Somebody would have noticed that there's this abandoned car and trailer hanging on the parking lot at the state park. Nothing like that ever turned up. Yeah, the other theory in regards to Silas Jane is that these young women did witness this car bombing and knew that they needed to disappear before they were disappeared on purpose. And they faked their own disappearance. And that's Patty Blau's brother's theory.

Oh yeah? She showed up on a forum called Web Sleuths and apparently he's verified, he's like, yes, I'm her brother. And he said that he thinks that they did go to stage this disappearance, but that the guy who was going to help them was actually in the employ of Silas Jane and this helping them disappear actually turned into this triple murder and that their bodies were disposed of. That's what her brother thinks.

And that the one who wasn't one of the stable people. Rune. Yeah. And that she was just there to help them disappear and got caught up in this. I don't know. Cause like, why would she have gone out? I don't know. I mean, bad marriage, who knows?

Maybe. It's a little thin, but I think it makes sense for his sister. The other two, it doesn't necessarily make as much sense for. Maybe for Anne, if she saw, if she was in danger as well, I don't know. I think the most likely thing, it's like the Peter, is it Peter principle? No. The Occam's razor. Occam's razor.

Is it the trolley problem? Occam's razor is that they drowned. I mean, that's possible. And didn't wash ashore. But here's the thing, like in Lake Michigan's, the deadliest, great lake of all of them, all five, I think it accounts for out of all five, it accounts for half of the deaths on any given year. But most bodies do turn up.

Most bodies are recovered. So if three of them or four, or however many people were on that boat, that boat went down, I think some trace of at least one of them would have eventually turned up. But think so. You know? Yeah. It's a true mystery. It's also possible that they were taken away by somebody, they weren't planning on disappearing,

they weren't planning on leaving. They just went on a pleasure cruise with the wrong person who murdered them. If a guy got three women out on a boat and got it out into the middle of nowhere on this enormous lake and then pulled a gun on them, like you could, one person could conceivably stay in control of three under a situation like that. And that's sadly enough, that's a real possibility that that was their fate. They just went with the wrong person. That seems unlikely to me too, that like a serial killer just picked up three women.

Here's the thing, there's one serial killer in particular that some people really like for this, his name's Richard Speck. Oh yeah. So Richard Speck is actually not a serial killer, he's a mass murderer because he killed eight women at a nursing college in one night, which makes him a mass murderer, not a serial killer. He did that on July 13th, 1966 in Chicago. On July 2nd, 1966, he was dropped off at a dock about 20 miles away from Indiana Dunes

State Park. He was not tan with dark wavy hair though. That is very true. He was a real creep though. He was a super big creep, had a terrible personality, not a charmer, not good looking. So the idea that he could get three women into a boat of his is kind of unlikely. Also he was well known as a very sloppy opportunistic killer and that if they were killed by somebody, this seems to have been planned.

The fact that their bodies never turned up suggests that if they were killed by somebody, they would have had to a plan to have killed them because they would have had to have brought along all the weights needed and all that stuff. Whatever it is, like any one of those theories is just as likely as the others. Good stuff. Sad, tragic, but I love a good mystery. Yep. Well, if you want to know more about the disappearance of Patricia Blau, Ann Miller, and Renee Broul,

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