Suggestible - Aftersun & Matilda the Musical

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to. Hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.Please check out Claire's new single titled 'Free' on Spotify (and other places): https://open.spotify.com/artist/2ZjIjP1xOkqhBJGjp3JhdTClaire Tonti LIVE at Brunswick Ballroom on Saturday Feb 11th – tickets and info here: https://www.moshtix.com.au/v2/event/claire-tonti/147276This week’s Suggestibles:03:08 FOFOP: Homunculus with Claire Tonti09:32 Aftersun (spoilers 13:52 to 19:07) - TW: Distressing Themes25:03 Roald Dahl's Matilda the Musical on Netflix38:08 Mark Tremonti Sings Frank SinatraSend your recommendations to [e-mail], we’d love to hear them.You can also follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @suggestiblepod and join our ‘Planet Broadcasting Great Mates OFFICIAL’ Facebook Group. So many things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We've got some things to recommend and you better. Get it up, you governor. Get what? I don't know. Sorry. I'm so tired. It's 9 o'clock. I'm Claire's friend, T. James Clement is here also.

We are married. We're in sync, right? He says something and then I say something and everyone goes, this is an award-winning show and that's true. Whereas this, I don't even know. I don't know what's happening. What would happen then? You think we should have more chemistry, Claire, being married?

You would think so. You would think that. But after 17 years, mate, you can't expect chemistry. 17 years? Is that true? Yeah. Yeah, 2005. No, nearly 18, yeah.

Nearly 18. That's a whole person. That's a whole adult. That's nearly an adult, yeah. Imagine, imagine that. We weren't even adults when we met. So here's, I met you when I was 19. I've known you nearly half my life. And I was 44. Yeah, that would explain why you look so old.

How are you feeling? You got up very early today. Well, I've been, as you know, Claire, I've been switching my gym habits. Leave a like, by the way, on the video, everybody. That would be great. And so I'm going in the morning because I normally go at like 9.30 in the morning or in the afternoon. By the time you get back and you shout and whatever, it's 11 o'clock and it's 11.30 and you're like, I better do some work. And then you look at your phone and then you look up and it's 3.30

and you've got to pick up your kids from school. And then you're working until like midnight because, yeah. So I started going at 7 in the morning, which of course means getting up at 6.30 consistently and I hate it. Okay. But it does clear up the day. The day. That's why I like getting up early as I always have for many years.

Yeah, but as I said to you, I want to be able to get up early and go to the gym and then stay up late. And it just seems unfair that I can't do both. Okay. Can I also put a caveat in for the listener by saying when you say you've changed your habit, it's been day two. Two days. It's true.

It's been two days. It's the second day. But I'm also. All I've heard about all day is how early you've been up. No, it's three days. I did three days. Okay. Three days.

And. Three days. I'm also back at the gym because I took a whole month off and I just had, I just, I just had, I just ate whatever. Summer of James. I got my steps in, I got my 10,000 a day, but other than that, I wasn't, I wasn't doing anything. No, which is so unlucky. It's so funny to me. You are so disciplined. And I know this because everyone we hung out with was like, James, is he eating chocolate? I've never seen James eat anything other than a carrot stick.

What is he putting in his body? I didn't even know this is a thing people noticed about me, by the way. Yes, I've told you for many years that you are so regimented with this stuff. I really don't think I am. You absolutely are. And every time we hang out with people, like, you don't really drink that much and you look after yourself

and it's really good and That's nothing to do with. That's not. Even Charlie Clawson, the one and only Charlie Clawson from Chose Pop. He's way fitter than that. Yeah, but when he came over, he was like, and so it was Broden from Aunty Donna. They were both like, oh, James, you're looking after yourself. Well, you know, and those are compliments that I will take to my grave.

I know. Yeah. Great. So I did a really lovely episode of Faux Faux with Charlie Clawson actually, which I just, I mean, I always love talking to Charlie. He's such a wonderful friend. But it was just, it was so much fun. I got to talk about music and artistry and David Bowie and the homunculus.

There's a word for the spider that lives in my brain. It's called the homunculus. And he totally understood what I meant when I said that, which is so lovely. Because he's always got to be doing stuff. Yeah. I just, I feel it was just a really lovely chat. So, I mean, if you're interested in me waffling on for ages

about the creature that lives in my brain and how creativity works for me, go listen. Claire, look, I am interested in that, but I'm more interested in your new single, which came out on Friday. It's already out. It's already out. It's called Free. Our Daughter Is At The Start And At The End. It's about kind of, I don't know, what is it about? Letting go of the expectations of others and rediscovering who you are and your fire. And it's the most pop song of all, like the most upbeat of all the songs on the record. Yeah. Well, it's basically just a cover of Hit Me Baby One More Time.

So that's why you probably feel that way. It's very much a pop song. And it's interesting because the tone of the album, it sort of stands alone, that song on the album, because I felt like the rest of it, it's so emotive that I wanted to do one that was sort of more upbeat, I guess, and fun, even though the themes of it are still pretty full on. I do talk about body image. I like it. It's good.

And if you've got kids, kids might like it as well. Kids seem to like it. Yeah, kids really like it. That's why I'm making a little video clip of just like friends and their kids and whoever wants to dance. And people sending them in and stuff. Yeah, and people are sending me little videos in portrait mode on their phones.

So if you want to do that and you're a listener, I would love you to. All you have to do is film yourself for 30 seconds in portrait mode on your phone dancing along to my single free. You can find it on Spotify or YouTube or Apple. Well, that's all well and good, Claire. That all sounds well and good. But don't you have a live show coming up? Oh, my goodness, I do. Shameless plugging all around.

Disgusting. Mason would never plug anything. That's what I like about him. That's why we have an award-winning podcast. He just drives a tram up and back. That's right. What's he going to plug? The tram?

Actually, no, he's always on a podcast. Who knows what he's up to. He's always doing a thing. He's super supportive too. He never tells me any of his feelings or emotions, which is why we're best friends. It's so weird to me. You guys don't know anything about each other's actual lives.

That is not true. Actually, he knows everything about our life because he's just always here. Best friends. So weird to me. You guys don't know anything about each other's actual lives. That is not true. You think that. Actually, he knows everything about our life because he's just always here. And, like, remember he popped around the other night and it was 10 o'clock and I was half asleep and I was actually asleep because I fell asleep reading a book to our son. And then I kind of stumbled downstairs and was really disorientated and we had this whole conversation that I don't really remember

but it didn't make any sense. And Mason was, like, completely fine and I was asleep walking. Anyway, that's not interesting to anyone else. No, I agree. Take that out. Mason's coming as well to the show. Yeah, he will be. Yeah, it's on the 11th of February at the Brunswick Ballroom at 1 o'clock.

Dr Louise Peeler, who is an incredible Wurundjeri elder, is coming to do the Welcome to Country, which is such an honour and I'm so excited she's coming. So she will be doing Welcome to Country. My cousin, Woody Samson, is going to be playing and they are incredible. They play the trumpet among so many other things and you will just absolutely adore Woody.

He's just a joy bomb in a person. And then I'm playing my album. It's 11 songs, originals. She's just playing it on a CD player. She's going to sit on stage and she's got a little portable CD player she's going to play and we all have to listen. It sounds like that's exactly right. That would be much easier.

I don't know. Anyway, I'm playing it with Ezekiel Fenn who is a music producer who produced the album with me. My vinyls are ready. They're going to be ready in time for the launch, Playing it with Ezekiel Fenn who is a music producer who produced the album with me. My vinyls are ready. They're going to be ready in time for the launch, which is super exciting. That is cool, yeah.

It is so wild. When they sent the test press of the vinyl, vinyl is crazy. If anyone is an expert in vinyl records who listens to Stroke, and I know there will be someone because we had bog experts. We have everyone. That's true. The smartest, the best people on this podcast who listen. If someone knows how vinyl works, I know I could Google it, but write in, tell us.

Yeah. Because it's so wild to me, all of that effort and all of that time and all that instrumentation and all that vocal stuff and then it's just suddenly in little grooves on a record. It's just amazing. Also, guess what? I didn't tell you this. It's so exciting because now, guess what? I didn't tell you this. It's so exciting that,

cause now I've approved the test run next week. I'm actually going to go into the factory while they're pressing my record and see it being done. That's cool. I'm so excited. What do I have to do? Nothing. Even better. I think I'll bring my daughter. What day is that? I don't know. They don't know. They can't tell me. So I just have to like. Wow, just show up every day. No, they're just going to email me on the morning. It's like our boomers say you should get a job. You just turn up at the office and you go there every day with a briefcase and a tie and just shake everybody's hand and by the end of the week, you'll have a job in the

mail room. But don't eat too much, Master Ivo. But I do it. That's what they say. Anyway, we've got to get started. It's been eight to ten minutes. There's a link in my show notes below if you would like to go to the show, Mosh Ticks.

The tickets are available there. Yep. But our whole album will be out on the 10th of February. Wow. On Spotify. So if you're overseas, you can also get it actually on the 10th of February. I'll have it as a digital download on my website. So if you would really love to support me, I would love you to buy that.

It'll be $15 to get all of the tracks straight up in a WAV file and then you can also get a download of the digital lyrics booklet as well, which has got all this beautiful artwork from Australian illustrator Annabelle Warne who did my album artwork. Can I just say what an absolute bargain, Claire? Eleven beautiful songs for only $15 Australian. Do you know my first single has been downloaded 10,000 times. I made $9.50.

It's so messed up. The music industry is brutal. You just, as an artist, you just don't make anything from streaming. It's really shitty. And why should you? Because there's no value in creativity. That's what I've always been saying. It's devastating.

So if you feel like supporting me and all the work that I've done and you're overseas and you can't obviously come to the launch, yeah. But bearing in mind we don't need the money, obviously. No, you don't need to do that. I would love you to listen. I'd also just love you to listen on Spotify. That is absolutely enough. And if you also, music is not your thing, you don't listen to it at all,

that is also fine. Either way. Either way. Up to you. No pressure. Alright, Claire, now that you've had it, you've been talking for so long, it's time for me to talk for a little bit. It's about the movie After Sun, which you sort of watched a bit with me and then you went, I like this vibe, and you went to bed.

So this is a movie written and directed by Charlotte Wells. It stars Paul Meskell, who's an up-and-coming, oh, he's bigger now, but he was in Normal People. He's going to be in Gladiator 2. He's going to be second Gladiator. And it stars him and Frankie Corio. And I'm not going to give the entire synopsis.

I'm going to do a spoiler section of this. I'm going to come around to that. But I'm just going to talk about it in kind of vague terms of what it is about and all these kinds of things and the feelings it evokes because it's kind of, if I say what it's about, you kind of, you go into it with a different mindset. Does that make sense? Okay. So it's basically on the surface about a girl and her father.

They go on a vacation to Turkey in the early 2000s, right? Now it's told a number of ways. It's shot like a regular film and it's also shot using like archival footage where the characters have like a video camera from that era and they just kind of film each other and their little adventures. So it's almost as if like the stuff that's recorded on the video is kind of what really happened. It's like actual like footage of the events and the normal filmmaking stuff

is almost kind of like a memory or a dream or like a perception of events. It's got a kind of bizarre kind of quality to it that I can't really explain. It doesn't really, yeah. If you see it, you'll know what I mean, I think. So on the surface, yeah, so he's a young divorced father. He's in his early 30s. You don't really know why, but him and the mother of this girl, they've broken up, but they seem to be on good terms,

and they're just kind of hanging by the pool and snorkeling and eating good food and having a few drinks and all of that. Well, she's not because she's like 11 years old. But there's all these kinds of hints that something like isn't right, like with him specifically. And you also get the sense because she's quite intelligent, she knows that, but she's also 11 so she doesn't, you can't quite put a finger on it, you know.

And he's also like he's quite reserved about what's going on with him. And so as a result of that, you know, things kind of move along and you get the sense there's these little hints that like what might be going on in his life, like is he sick? Is he like mentally okay? Like there's hints towards he doesn't have much money and all of these different kinds of things. But nothing like because he's all of the, most of the interactions with him is through

his daughter. Like he's not giving her the full picture because, you know, she's, she's a child, right? So it's like, it's this really beautiful kind of exploration of their relationship. But at the same time, it's, it's like weirdly ominous. And I don't really know why, but you get the sense as you're's it's like weirdly ominous and i don't really know why but you get the sense as you're watching it that like something bad is going to happen or something bad has already happened yeah that's why i had to go to bed because i yeah i kind of felt and i don't actually think this happens that something bad was going to happen to her yeah so it is that kind of sense

like they kind of linger on things and you're like you don't know why because you're waiting for someone to drown or like get kidnapped or murdered or assaulted or something like that. Yeah. And it kind of, not that it never arrives but it's, I don't even know how they do it because it's just kind of this kind of building of tension but there's, I don't even know how they do it because it's just kind of this kind of building of tension, but there's nothing specifically that you could be like, that's why this feels

kind of weird, you know? I mean, there's, there's more kind of direct moments, but they don't necessarily tie into like why it all feels weird and like a little bit sinister, you know? But there's also like, there's a lot of levity in it, you know, and they have fun little interactions and, you know, and they have fun little interactions and, you know, and she meets like other teenagers and a boy that she likes and all this other kind of stuff goes on. And then like at the end it kind of all clicks into place

about what this was all like about and it just kind of pulls the curtain back and not even fully about what happens or what has happened, I should say. So I'm going to say spoilers now. Yeah, can you tell me? Because I left the room because the tension was too much for me and my brain at the moment, I'm really trying to look after my sort of energy and my head space. And so anything with that kind of ominous feeling, I just go,

no, I can't cope with it at the moment. Yeah. And so I should also point out that this is part of the spoiler as well, like there's a trigger warning for like suicide. There's nothing explicit in this, like you don't see any of that. But what is implied and is true what this movie is about is when they part ways towards the end of the movie he kills himself the father and that's what and what you've realized is going on and this is

interspersed throughout the movie she's now the age that he was when he died and so it's her as an adult with a baby and she's got a partner looking back at this video and thinking about the events and trying to piece it all together and trying to get an understanding of who he was based on like the fragments that she has like of him. Yeah. And that's basically it. Like it's and there's things that, yeah, and it makes you kind of look back and go, oh, shit, like that was the,

you know, like it's so well constructed that it's a better movie like the more you think about it. And I haven't revisited it. I probably won't because it's like super fucking depressing. But it makes me want to go back and like watch it through and just for the – like they're both amazing. Like it's just – they're so good, like both of them, like to get – and he's like 26.

He's not even that old. No. Why does he commit suicide? Do they tell you? Not really, no. Because there wasn't anything terrible that happened? But there's hints like you know that – like he's got a drinking problem and you kind of see that or maybe he's just having fun on holiday and he's just's hints like you know that like he's got a drinking problem and you kind of see that

or maybe he's just having fun on holiday and he's just kicking back, you know. But there's also like there's moments where she's like I'm 11, what did you want to be when you're 11? And he kind of like pauses and he's like, can you turn the camera off? And so he turned the camera off and then it cuts to like, and then shows

just like her memory of the events. And he doesn't want to kind of talk about it because the implication is that he he's not who he thought he would be like he's not happy he's not he doesn't like there's a moment where she drops her goggles in the ocean and you see it like really like it really kind of throws him and he's not mad at her but he's just like that like i don't any money, like that cost, that hurt me. And she also realises that. She's like, I'm sorry that I did this and he's like, I'm not mad at you,

but you don't know kind of again until the end. So there's sort of money problems. Yeah, but that's like a fraction of it. And he's depressed it seems. Like he's suffering from depression and he doesn't have like people around him potentially or any kind of just things maybe haven't worked out for him. But you don't even know why specifically, which I think also adds to it

because it's from her perspective like as an adult and also as a child. So you only kind of know what she knows and she doesn't even really know, you know? Yeah. That's fascinating. Yeah. Because also I feel like the people who have lost someone to suicide and if anyone's listening to this who has, my heart's just so broken for you because I know a friend of mine had that happen. Yeah. And you never I know a friend of mine had that happen.

Yeah. And you never really know. No. You never fully, well, for them anyway, and I think this is a common thing, you never fully understand why they did it. Yeah. Or and then you're forever kind of trying to understand why you would leave in that way.

And then, but then also Glennon Doyle writes about it really beautifully. She says that in her circles with addiction and in groups of, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous and all those things that they actually feel like when that happened and someone does that, they understand. It's like life is just, is just too painful to be here. But, oh, God, it's so complex, isn't it? And that kind of tension and the questioning, you get that through the whole film.

I was feeling that. It's weird because you know something's wrong and like her, you just can't sort of figure it out. Yeah, you just don't know what to – but he's also like a beautiful dad. Yeah, well, that's the other thing. Like it's never from the perspective of like he regrets her and he's trying very clearly to try and give her this amazing holiday and maybe he went into the holiday knowing that it was the last holiday.

But I don't even think that's true necessarily. But that's also an interpretation of like that's how I see it. Yeah. So I mean I don't know. I mean I've obviously spoiled it if you've come this far. But if you're coming back after the time code so no more spoilers. It's got amazing performances. It's pretty depressing.

Yeah. But it's, I mean, I can see why it's, you know, being talked about, you know, and various awards and has won awards already. And just the writing by, I mean, the performances again, but being written and directed by Charlotte Wells, it's, yeah, incredible. I can't wait till Marvel snatch her up and make her do. Something terrible. A Black Widow sequel.

It is so exactly what I love about art that it's sort of ambiguous in some ways but it draws out emotion. Yeah. And I think sometimes, and this is a broad stroke to say, but I do think women in particular, like female directors, when it's done well or writers, often play deeper into that emotional landscape in an interesting way. And I'm not saying that's all women or men can't do that too.

No, no. Men absolutely can. But there is something in the depth of the complexity of emotion that I find really interesting that I feel like sometimes is more of a feminine energy in it if I'm trying to articulate myself. So for example, and I know I'm in a music headspace, so like the video that I made, I was trying to communicate to Tom who was the producer and like we co-directed it that most of it I wanted to be emotion based.

Right. And I actually don't even know if I put it into words well enough to explain it because I couldn't storyboard it in the way that he wanted because I was like I'm going to have to be in the moment and you're just going to have to film me. Spinning in a field. And I could tell he was like, okay, what do you mean? But it's because, and if you've watched it,

I wanted emotion to come through that I'd created in the sound. Yes. And it's sort of ambiguous in that way as well because it's, but there is this like, because the levels of emotion that you can create, like they're just, you know, endless. I mean, Brene Brown has recently put out a book called The Atlas of the Heart where she documents like just all of the emotions a human can experience. And it's so huge

and so thick and so many. And when you really drill into it, you realize we kind of think happy, sad, angry, scared, worried, you know, you start, you sort of think of them as at a baseline of things, but actually human emotion is so complex and it drives so many of our thought patterns and decisions and so to represent that kind of feeling in a film is so clever. Yeah. To do that and twist it at the end and not have huge kind of events happening. No.

That's what I find interesting. Because again like. Yeah. I guess what I'm trying to say is I think with film, I find that so interesting that you can have not a lot happen, but it's the depth of emotion that is created for the audience, which makes it interesting. Even when not like huge events happen all the way through. It's a little bit like that book, sorrow and bliss that I loved from last year is my favorite book of the year by Meg Mason.

There's not a lot that happens in that. There's a breakdown of a marriage but that's kind of it and then the complex family. But there's not a lot of like big sweeping kind of like gripping crime thrillery events through it. But it's the depth of an examination of the human condition and emotion that is just so rich and so gripping. And to me that's what I love in art.

But I also couldn't finish watching that film. No, I understand. Because of that. Because the depth of emotion was coming through was so much for me that I just couldn't, it's almost I couldn't bear it. Well, what I like about film. Is that the worst thing anyone's ever said? Yeah, it's the worst. I couldn't bear to sit and watch this. I couldn't, I just couldn't, it's almost I couldn't bear it. Well, what I like about film. Is that the worst thing anyone's ever said? Yeah, it's the worst.

I couldn't bear to sit and watch this. I couldn't do it. Arthouse film. Couldn't possibly. I know you love that, so you love all that. You love emotion in film. I love in film, I can give you an example, in the latest Batman movie where Robert Pattinson is chased to the roof of the police precinct and he's in his Batman costume and he needs

to escape because he's just punched Commissioner Gordon. He gets to the roof and he quickly zips his wings around him and you realise that the cape that he's got is actually a wingsuit. Wow. He jumps off the roof of Gotham PD and as he flies down, he clips like the underside of a bridge and then slams into a car. And I saw that and I'm like, ooh, that's good cinema, I said to myself. I was like, ooh, that looks really hurt.

Can you articulate your emotion? Yeah, I like it when he hit the bridge and then he hit the car, Claire. What would we say, that joy? Yeah, no, I was like, damn, that would have hurt. That's got to hurt, I said. That's what he said. Because when he hit the bridge. That's what you said.

I love it. Anyway. All right, can I recommend something else now? Oh, it's on streaming and it's still in cinemas and whatever, whatever. And what's it called again? After Sun. One word. After Sun.

Yeah. Excellent. Ooh. It's also, he's so handsome, that dude. I like him a lot. Yeah. He doesn't have a necklace from the, he's in Normal People. Normal People's great.

Is he Connor? Is that his name in Normal People? Yeah. And he's got the necklace. There was a whole Instagram account just dedicated to that necklace. I remember we talked about it and I was like, I didn't even know he had a necklace. Something incredibly hot about him wearing that necklace.

I don't understand it, but so many women do. We'll never understand it. And people who are into men. It just, honestly, I don't know. I couldn't even articulate it for you. Do not buy a necklace. He's going to be big. I mean, he is already.

Clanky's getting there, but he's going to be huge. He's only 26 too, so he's got his careers like just really started. Interesting. Very one to watch. I hope he is anyway because he seems very nice. I think so too. Unless he's not, in which case I hope he gets cancelled. James classic caveat.

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All right, so this is a fun one. I want to talk about Matilda the Musical, the new version, the movie that's out on Netflix currently. We watched it with our kids. The soundtrack is bloody awesome. I loved the stage show. One of my students actually played Matilda in the stage show here in Melbourne. Yes, yes, yes.

It was originally written obviously by Roald Dahl, the classic book Matilda, which I loved as a kid, and then it was turned into a musical by the amazing Tim Minchin who is just a genius and we love him. Unless he's cancelled in which case we'd just own it. Correct, but he's an Australian comedian, singer-songwriter, all kinds of things. Actor. Upright as well is really amazing. We will talk about that but we won't talk about that today. That's his TV show. An Australian comedian, singer, songwriter, all kinds of things. Actor. Whatever else.

Upright as well is really amazing. We will talk about that, but we won't talk about that today. That's his TV show. We have talked about that. Yeah, the second season. Have you watched it? Not yet. Okay, yeah.

Someone recommended it for me. Your cousin, Woody. Yeah, he did. Plus some listeners as well have emailed me into the show. Anyway, I want to talk about Matilda the Musical. So if you haven't watched it with your kids yet, oh, my goodness, our kids are obsessed. Oh, you could just watch it if you like, Roald Dahl.

Yeah, oh, you absolutely could as well. It's not just for kids. It's so genius and the music is brilliant. Tim Minchin's lyrics are so cool. It's directed by Matthew Walkers. He's a British theatre director, filmmaker, lyricist and playwright and he worked on Lord of the Rings. Did he?

The new one, I assume. I'm assuming, yeah. So the cast is really excellent. and playwright and he worked on Lord of the Rings. Did he? The new one, I assume. I'm assuming, yeah. So the cast is really excellent. Emma Thompson plays the villain, the Trunchable, who is like the school principal if you don't know the story of Matilda. Alicia Weir plays Matilda Wormwood and she is just excellent. She's great. Very good.

Lashana Lynch plays Miss Honey and she's just stunning. Love Lashana Lynch. She's and she's just stunning. Love Lashana Lynch. She's great in the new Bond movie. She's good in Captain Marvel and also the latest Doctor Strange movie also. And she can sing beautifully. She sings This Is My House. Oh, God, so many songs in this. Like Tim Minchin is a genius with theatre and his songs just have this way

of really capturing this intense kind of emotion. It's just beautiful. Her song, my favourite song of the album, there's a few, Quiet is my favourite one because it's all about Matilda's kind of internal world and how she ends up creating her powers, which also feels very close to home for me for how I often feel inside my head. I love that song.

By the way, he worked on the stage musical of Lord of the Rings. He's a stage director. Oh, that's interesting. I was just looking at his filmography and, yeah, it's mostly like theatre. Oh, because I just read Lord of the Rings. But I didn't realise they had a Lord of the Rings stage show. That's really interesting. Yeah, and it's never been here as far as I'm aware.

So there's some other characters that I love. Sindhu V, the comedian, plays the librarian, Mrs Phelps, and that is genius casting. She's wonderful. I love her on Instagram. She's obsessed with mangoes and I love it. She's excellent, Sindhu V. So great.

Stephen Graham plays Mr Wormwood, Matilda's dad. Great. Very great. Hilarious. Andrea Reis-Burra plays Mrs Wormwood, her mum. Ooh, a bit of controversy about her at the moment, Claire. Oh, what's the controversy? Apparently she was whining and dining some Oscar folks about

because she's nominated for an Oscar. For that role? No, no, this is for another thing. And people are like, ooh, is that legal to do that? Is that within the Oscar norms? Isn't that an all worth? It gives a shit. That's what they all do.

I thought that's what they all do, yeah. Anyway, she's great. She's great in everything. She's really awesome also. Oh, right. Excellent. Cool. Charlie Hodson is this super cute kid.

He plays Bruce Bogtrotter. He's one of my favorite characters. He's the kid that classic eats the giant chocolate cake. If you don't know the story, that won't make sense, but he is just really excellent in it. And there's lots of other amazing cast. A lot of really well cast kids in this very talented performance. Really, really well cast.

Oh, my goodness. Singing and dancing and whatever. Yeah, the singing in the school is really excellent. Revolting Children has become an anthem in our house. They love it. When I Grow Up is so poignant. It's about what – it's just a genius song because it's so nostalgic for adults but also beautiful for kids and it's just about what you'll do when you grow up.

When you're a kid, you're imagining like lollies at all times of the day. Wait, When I Grow Up or Revolting Children? When I Grow Up. Wait, when I grow up or revolting children? When I grow up. Okay, yes. But I think when I grew up is so beautiful because it captures something about childhood but also is so poignant about being a grown-up and how hard the world actually is. Well, I think it's hard either way, you know,

like being a kid is like weird and bad a lot of the time. Yeah, totally. But there's that complexity about you feel like you're just everything will work out once you're a grown up. Yeah. And then you'll have all the answers. And actually you have less answers. There's great lines like when I grow up, I'll be strong enough to carry all the things I

have to carry around when I'm an adult. Yeah. It's like that. Exactly. And yeah, I'll be, yeah. Oh, it's just so beautiful. Um, yeah. I love that naughty song because what I'm like. Sometimes you've got to be a little bit naughty.

It's basically just being like, hey, when you're a kid, sometimes it's okay to just like you see maybe something, an injustice or you see a scenario where you can have a bit of like harmless shenanigans and it's like just do it. And I fucking love that. Like even as a kid I loved that, just a moment to be like, I'm going to do something and see if this happens and I get away with it. Yeah.

Not like massively destructive, just be like, let's just see how this plays out. But also I love the message that when you're an adult you don't always have to play completely by the rules as well. Like think for yourself and sometimes you do have to think outside the box and not just do what everyone tells you to do. Yeah. I love that message for kids.

I also love the message of being small but actually small actions can have a huge impact. You know, the- The tiniest mite packs the mightiest stings. Yeah, exactly. We've been listening to it a lot. Yeah, and what is it, the creak of a floorboard? The creak of a floor, something about the start of a war.

Yeah. Something like that, yeah. It's just I love all of that language. It's about like tiny things that lead to bigger outcomes. The flap of a wing, yeah, all of that stuff, those tiny little things and that idea that as a kid you can have a bigger impact. And even just as a person, as a grown-up, like Miss Honey's character really struggles with she was really emotionally abused by the trunchable

and kind of is being emotionally controlled by her and then her character growing into herself and realising that actually even though she's only one person, she can have a big impact. And I think that's so beautiful for kids but also for grown-ups. There's just so many multi-layers that you can enter in. Even the first song that our kids love or our daughter in particular about a miracle and it's all about how parents all think

their babies are miracles. Yeah. Which is true. Yeah, they are miracles. Exactly. But also I just find that, you know, funny. There is that like, is my kid a genius? Oh, wow, look, that kid made eyes smile already.

Does that mean it's emotionally intelligent or whatever? Correct. It's like no, it's probably gas. Yeah. And just each parent becomes obsessed with their own little tiny baby and it's so true in taking a million photos and it's just, yeah, parent tool and all of that stuff. It's beautiful.

So I totally recommend watching it, Matilda, the musical, not just for kids, for everyone. I completely agree. I think it's missing some stuff. From the book? From both the book but more so the stage play. I feel like there's like an exploration of like her intelligence and her powers which is kind of like brushed over.

It is brushed over, you're right. Because I mean it's not that you'd be lost. You wouldn't be like I don't understand this. But a lot of the book and I think more of the stage show from memory is like dedicated to that. And the book in particular gets into like the feeling that she gets and how she does it and all of these different things and like the concentration it takes and all of this.

Yeah, and even just the genius of her. Like the movie doesn't really go into her being really highly distanced. No, it's just like, oh, she's smart and there's a bit where she solves some maths problems and she reads a lot of books. But that's pretty much it. I mean you obviously like you get it. Yeah, yeah. And I also think like it kind of wraps up.

It feels like there's some scenes missing where like the trunchbull gets to come up and all of that. There's like it kind of happens in a weirdly edited way where like I think there's some stuff. It happens a bit fast. Yeah, stuff going on there. And there's no brother in it as well. Well, there's no brother in the show.

Yeah, that's true. So that's like, yeah, because you're currently reading the book with our son. I am. It's so much more complicated. Yeah, the book's more complicated and in a great way. The book is amazing. It's interesting though, because I think kids are watching things that are so fast paced now, that accessing books that we read as kids, it feels slow. Yeah. Does he like it though? He is liking it, but he's a bit confused and it's a bit slow. Yeah. Which is really interesting to me. It does get into like the family dynamics more. You find more about the brother.

You find about how she started reading at a young age and you find all these things out about her. It's the slow reveal in the classroom of what she knows. Yeah. And you see like Miss Honey kind of like finding what level she's at and she keeps like raising her arm. And it takes a while whereas it all happens very fast in the film. And I guess it's also a different format and all of those things.

Yeah. But still it's great. Love it. Love it really good. The soundtrack's on Spotify. It's really excellent. Lots of fun. All right.

That's the show I think today. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, whoa. Sorry about that. It can't be the show until you read a letter. Have I whoa. Sorry, I've forgotten. It can't be the show until you read a letter. Have I forgotten something? And I tell everybody that you can actually review the show and you can do it in an app.

Whatever app, whatever program you're listening on, unless it's BigSandwich.co, which is our own private Patreon, if you play $9 a month, there's a bunch of stuff behind a paywall. Claire. I see. Yes, you are correct. I'm just reading reviews and more reviews would be great. I'm nearly out of reviews to read. So this one is from Richard Johnson, TX, who says, It's been eight weeks. This is five stars, you are correct. I'm just reading reviews and more reviews would be great. I'm nearly out of reviews to read.

So this one is from Richard Johnson TX who says, It's been eight weeks. This is five stars, by the way. And she still hasn't read Project Hail Mary. I know, guys. You're out of five stars, JK. But you did give a hard date, didn't you, on when that was supposed to? God, did I?

I can't remember. Yeah, I think you said like five years. So you've got time. Yeah, man. Alrighty. Okay, I can do it. Maybe not in the next 12 days, but for my live show. Oh, I'm doing a live show.

I'm an artist. That's you. I'm going on the radio. I mean, I know this is an audio medium, but I've never been, like I'm going on, I've been once. I've been on the radio. At like 10 o'clock at night. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you have too. You have been on the radio. Your snooze went off during it. Oh, yeah, I did. You woke up when Will Anson asked you to come on and it was when what's his? Stan Lee passed away. Stan Lee died. And I woke you up and you jumped on but then your phone alarm went off.

My alarm went off on live radio. That was good. No, I was going to say, well, that happened. But also when I was a kid, I rang up John Fain in the conversation now on ABC radio to defend video games. It was like video games are too violent. I was like video games I rang up John Fain in the conversation hour on ABC radio to defend video games. It was like, video games are too violent. I was like, video games are not too violent. I was like, this is how it's like.

Did you argue with John Fain? Yeah, I was like, no. Did you really? I wouldn't like any other problem. I'm like, I'm not interested. So I'm like, have you ever played the game Mario? And he's like, no. And I'm like, fuck, okay.

Basically, he jumps on like creatures and he's like well that sounds very violent and i'm like i i don't know then i i don't know anyway i was right claire i was right and john fane was wrong i was a child i just didn't have the mental capacity to best him but if there was a rematch claire if you were matilda if it was no if it was a rematch, Claire. If you were Matilda, you would have had the mental capacity. If it was today, I could beat John Fane in that particular argument. Isn't he like 85 now? It doesn't matter, Claire. I could have beaten him 20 years ago. I could have beat him as a 14-year-old boy.

I believe you. I believe you, James. You're yelling at me like I don't think that. I have full faith in you that you were bested by John. It was very ignorant of him because they were talking about at the time there was, remember the Tokyo subway gassing? Yes. Somebody made a video game about that.

Some fucking psycho, right? And then all of a sudden that's reflective of all the media. And it's like, well, video games are too violent or whatever. It's like, no, that's just a very fucking weird person doing a terrible thing. Like if someone writes a bad, but like Hitler wrote a book, no one's like, well,

books, what's going on with all these books? This is a book by a Nazi, you know? I know. God damn it, Clay. Look at all my arguments.

Look at them. Anyway, do you have a letter? I do have a letter. Is your rent done? Are you okay? Fucking John Fain. Man,

you should wake up early. Is he better than me? Not really. Yeah, well, he probably does. Anyway, okay, let's move on. You can email the show, suggestapod.gmail.com. We would love you to. Recommendations, comments, questions, all the things.

We would love to hear from you. If you know anything about vinyl and how it's made, love that to you. Why though? Why do you need to know that? Because I'm so curious because I'm having my mate. But you're literally going. I know, but I would love to know about it before I go, so I'm not taking it back.

When they ask me questions, I can be like, oh, yes, that's the hinky-donk that makes the groovies on the round thing. Anyway. He's retired, Claire. He's 66 years old, though. He's not that old. Well, 66 is not that old. He would have been quite young.

He would have been like my age. Yeah, correct. Wow. That's embarrassing. For him. Or is it? Who knows? He's not that old. He would have been quite young. He would have been like my age. Yeah, correct. Wow. That's embarrassing. For him. Or is it? Who knows?

You probably should have invested him in that. Anyway, hi, James and Claire. This is from Jack Williams. Hello. This is a great album that I definitely think Claire would be interested in. The album is called Mark Tremonti Sings Frank Sinatra. This is a cover album recorded by Mark Tremonti, who is a phenomenal guitarist for the band Alter Bridge. What?

Yeah. Alter Bridge? Yeah. The Creed band, where all the former members of Creed went and made this band called Alter Bridge. Yes. Except for the lead guy from Creed. In addition to the album, he has launched his Take a Chance

for Charity initiative to raise money for National Down Syndrome Society. Oh, nice. His goal is to challenge people with a platform to take a chance for charity and do something not expected of them. This album is also recorded with the living musicians of Frank Sinatra's band. Tremonti was inspired to launch the program after he found out about his daughter Stella's Down Syndrome diagnosis. Tremonti has always been a Sinatra fan and has raised more than a billion

dollars for charity during his career. So this inspired Tremonti to set up his charity. It's a great album for a great cause. Thanks for your time and all the content throughout the year, especially all the bog content. As being from rural Ireland, my friends were shocked that I was listening to a podcast that had a bog discussion. That's what we're here for, all the bog content.

It's greatly appreciated all the time and effort you both put into all your platforms. Kind regards, Jack. What a legend. Thank you so much, Jack. Love that. That was really interesting. I know.

What a cool thing to be doing. Yeah, they've done a lot of activism. They're sort of a Christian rock band or they were? Because I don't really, like I only know of them. Like I don't know them. They started in 2004. Right. Scott Strapp.

Anyway, so John Fane was born in 1956. Oh, here he is. And we probably had this discussion about 1994, which would have made him, what, 38-ish? You should write to him. Which means he was about my age. Wow. Which now it's time.

It's time for the reunion. This is like that movie you were talking about where you're like reflecting on the thing that happened in the past and now you're reflecting on it in the future. So weird. Can I find John Fane? Somewhere in an archive. Where does he live?

Somewhere in an archive there is probably that argument. I would pay a lot of money to hear that. Yeah, I don't know how you'd find it. My name's James. Hi, I don't like video games. Why don't you like them, John Fain? Fucking John Fain. I've got more followers on Twitter, though, I'll tell you that much.

Well, this whole podcast YouTube venture has just been so that one day you could come on the show and say that you have more followers than John Fain, who is an Australian radio personality, everyone, in case you didn't know. Oh, look, okay, this is one of his latest posts from January 23. He's gone to Rosebud for the holidays. We were down that way. Very nice.

Oh, you were close by. Mistake. I wouldn't recognise him, to be honest. Just do with a beard. If you heard his voice, though, you probably would. I would. I would. I'd be like, excuse me, sir.

He took a photo of a sign that says, new, vegan dim sims only $2. And he wrote, when Brunswick goes to Rosebud for the holidays, very good John Fain. Vegan jokes, you are well ahead. Oh, no. Everyone, no one makes, no, you can't make fun of vegans anymore because everyone knows they're actually right. Well, it's not only that.

It's like, you know how they're like, what if vegans are always going on? You know who goes on more than vegans? Fucking people who don't like vegans. Yeah. They don't shut the fuck up about it. That is so true. I'm going to eat more animals, if anything. That is so true. Good for you. My cousin Woody Sampson is vegan, and I respect it every day of the week. It's true. So good for the planet. Oh, here's him with yeah, the guy who was Guido Hatzis. Yes. This is not even a show anymore. Tony Moclair.

He was on The Crud Show on Triple M. All right. I don't understand any of this. We need to get going. People are over this. What are you talking about? All right, everybody. Thanks.

If you've got any recommendations, send them in. What was the email again? Suggestapotagym.com. It has been so lovely to chat to you. Come to my live show on the 11th of February. I would love to see you there. Mosh ticks. The room that she booked is too big, so there's still tickets on the 11th of February. I would love to see you there. Mosh ticks. The room that she booked is too big, so there's still tickets available.

Yeah, I know. I moved it. It's sold out. Then I moved it to a bigger show. I would love you to room. I would love you to come. It would just be echoing. It's not dire straits.

No, it's looking good. But, yeah, there are still tickets. There are still tickets available. So I would love to see you there. All righty. Bye. John Fine. He's better than see you there. All righty. Bye. John Fine. He's better than me, Claire.

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