Suggestible - Beef

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to. Hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.Claire Tonti LIVE at the Wesley Anne on Sunday 7th May! - Use offer code "mothersday" for $10 off tickets - https://wesleyanne.com.au/events/2023/5/7/claire-tontiThis week’s Suggestibles:06:24 Josie Long: Re-Enchantment09:52 Laura Davis: Well Don't Just Stand There Dancing21:05 BeefAnd also Aunty Donna's Coffee Cafe!Send your recommendations to [e-mail], we’d love to hear them.You can also follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @suggestiblepod and join our ‘Planet Broadcasting Great Mates OFFICIAL’ Facebook Group. So many things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Ooh, James, just before we start the show, I have a little message for everyone. Oh, a secret message? A secret. No, well, I'm telling everyone, so it can't be a secret. Okay, so if you're the first to hear this, you're the first to know. But it is a secret. Only for people who listen to the show who are the best listeners. Oh, a secret message? A secret. No, well, I'm telling everyone, so it can't be a secret. Okay, so if you're the first to hear this. But it is a secret.

Only for people who listen to the show who are the best listeners. Oh, my God. Anyway, I am doing a show at the Wesleyan in Northcote on the 7th of May. That's soon. I know. It's very soon. It's in like three weeks or so, maybe less than. And I'm going to be playing my album with Ezekiel Fenn,

and Hannah Axford is going to be playing support tickets at $35. But you can use the code MOTHERSDAY at checkout and you can get $10 off tickets. Is it on Mother's Day? No, it's the week before. However, I thought why not have a little early Mother's Day gift for you. That's the secret. That's the secret.

Anyway. You could grab a drink. You can. You can have some food. The Wesleyan has excellent food. It's just in Northgate. You could grab a drink. You can. You can have some food. The Wesleyan has excellent food. It's just in Northgate. You can also bring your kids. It's not a kid's show, but if you need to or you think you have kids

that might enjoy some live music, you can bring them too. Yeah, exactly. If they're old enough to have a seat, then they need a ticket. I will entertain your children if they are not interested. James will entertain them. I will be on a separate stage at the other side of the hall. Let me entertain you. That'll be him. be him singing that song.

Yeah, and so that's it. That's on the 7th of May at the Wesleyan in Northgate. Even though I do have my Working With Children's check, I will not be entertaining children though, just so you know. That was a joke. All right. Excellent. Just letting everyone know.

I'm going to have to be entertaining our own kids. You will. You will. So that's it. Love to see you there. I can't wait. The last one was terrific. So, yeah, if you didn't come or you did and you want to check it out, you should will. So that's it. Love to see you there. I can't wait. The last one was terrific. So yeah, if you didn't come or you did and you want to check it out, you should come.

Thank you so much. On with the show. It went into bombs today. It's supposed to, isn't it? No, bombs, not bombs. Oh, bombs. I was doing bombs. Dropping bombs. I don't know. Hopefully not. Not too many anyway.

Do you know most of our relationship with our children I have worked out today? Yeah. Is farts. Is farts. It's 90% farts. Like they're making fart jokes. It's 90% them telling me about farts, them farting, then me farting, then you farting.

I don't fart. Then us telling jokes about farts, then someone saying bum, and then I make snacks. And then when we're out in public we're like, hey, don't do that. Yeah, exactly, and our daughter was at the dinner at the Thai restaurant that we can take them to because there's paper on the tables and she's going, Mommy farts! Daddy farts!

And then when she gets really like cheeky, she knows she's crossing the line. She goes, Grandma farts! And then she laughs and laughs and laughs. And it's inappropriate and embarrassing and also I don't know what to do. I love it. Because at home we just allow it. Yeah. I think we're going to have to teach our kids multiple ways of operating.

Yeah, that is that. You know. We've had that conversation with our oldest about like the stuff that you say like at home and to your family that you don't say to other people or whatever. Yeah, you say in public. Don't openly fart and laugh when you're around people you don't know very well or in a job interview.

I'm not sure if they've cottoned on. They'll figure it out eventually. I hope so. By default. I guess so. Yeah. Also, I have something else to confess today. Oh, no.

I'm in a confession mood. I beat our son at checkers. Yeah. Like on purpose. Yeah. Am I allowed? No, I do that because we play. All right.

In really crafty spirit today. Sometimes I beat him, sometimes I let him beat me or whatever. All right. I never let him just beat me. No, you don't just let him win the entire time. They don't learn anything. No, okay, great. Because we played a really long game and for a while it was clear I was winning

and then he was winning and he was really like, I've really got to hit it. And then I beat him. I was like, there we go, son. There we go. And then we left. It's school holiday time. That's what we missed last week. It's a hard balance because I think the last one we played,

he won because I was winning and then I pulled back a bit. But I pulled back too far. So I'm like, oh, I can't actually win this now. Oh, no. Like I positioned myself where he's just going to eviscerate me in this game now, which was fine. Oh, it's so good. Do you know what I'm finding hard?

In the scheme of hard things, it's not that hard, but I'll just whinge to the podcast listeners. School holidays, mate, for us, used to be in teaching we would have time off. My goodness. But now our jobs still continue. Yeah, everything just continues. But our kids are at home. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. And it's a nightmare. Well, that's why we didn't do an episode last week because. It was just too hard. Yeah, we just couldn't fit it in and we were away and it just couldn't happen. It was just too hard. We didn't plan to not have an episode. No.

It just ended up being that way. I know, exactly. And then what I find I do is I default to like making sure you can get your work done and then I just kind of don't. Yeah, but like I haven't even, you know, the only thing I needed was like that space to record with Aunty Donna. I know. Oh, name dropping.

Which was very exciting. Name dropping. It was so exciting. That was a lot of fun. They were great. It was so nice to see those boys, those big boys. Two of them. Two of them.

Not all three. That's why I said the big boys. Well, like that was originally going to be three of them. The little Mark was missing. Yeah. He's not that little because Broden and Zach are quite tall. That's what I mean. That's why I said the big boys. Well, like that was originally going to be three of them. The little Mark was missing. Yeah. He's not that little because Broden and Zach are quite tall. That's what I mean. That's why I'm big boys.

I just like to think about alliteration. But it was originally going to be all of them. Yeah. And then I realized I'm like I can't – I don't – our equipment doesn't like hold four mics. So like – Yes, it does. No, sorry, five mics.

It would have been because it was Mason as well. Oh, it was Mason as well. Yeah, no, it wasn't. So I was like, you make the call who wants to come. Or you can share a mic. One of us will share a mic. But he was like, no, no, it's fine. Oh, is that why there's only two?

Yeah, yeah. Oh. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It did look like a lot of fun. We had a topic that we were going to do, but we just kind of just discussed. They were in the latest Dungeons and Dragons, and Zach tells a really funny story about how he got flown over for the LA premiere, even though he's not in, like they're only

in the Australian version of it. They're not in the international version. It's really like bizarre story of how that was involved, which was a lot. It's just fun in general though. But their new show, it's on iView. If you're interested, if you're overseas, use a VPN. They're not allowed to say that but you can. Like they can't promote it like that apparently.

Yeah, well, fair enough too. We're going to get in some hot trouble now. No. Hot trouble. We haven't signed anything with anybody ever. True. Never, never, never. What are our suggestions?

Okay, I will go first. It is Melbourne Comedy Festival season at the moment in Melbourne. Oh, that's too niche. Mine's broad and Netflix for everyone. No, this is not niche because there are comedians that you can then find on the internet, on the interwebs. Also, there is one that is a British comedian that people can go and see her when she's in Britain and Scotland as well.

So, no, you'll be able to access this lovely comedy in lots of places. But I wanted to talk about the two comedians that I saw because I loved them both and they were excellent. Can I do that? Yes, please. I would love that actually. Great. Excellent.

So the first comedian I saw was Josie Long. Now she is a mother of two, which I just find really impressive. She had a baby during lockdown just like me, which makes her a goddamn hero. That's what I think and that's all I wanted to say. I think that's really kind of self-centered of you. Well, good. I am self-centered.

Okay, great. I'm the most – no, I'm not. I'm gooey-centered, like one of those chocolate creams. She was living in East London and, interestingly, has now moved to Glasgow. And so this show is kind of about that. It's really, it's got three main themes. It's called Re-Enchantment.

She's done lots of other really cool things besides. So she's become the first woman to be nominated for the Edinburgh Comedy Award three times. She's also a podcaster, playwright, a micro-budget filmmaker, co-founder of the education charity Arts Emergency, and a regular on Radio 4. So she's been around the traps for a long time. She's really excellent.

Her latest show is called Re-Enchantment, and it really deals with three main themes. The first is what it means to find your home and how she was feeling really alienated in the place she grew up in in Kent. And as I mentioned before, she decided to move to Scotland instead with her family to Glasgow. And just in that, there's kind of the political nature and culture of what's happening in Britain, which is over the past 10 years, which is really interesting.

The second part is her desire to reconnect with nature and beauty. And then the third part is more a specific dive into the horrific things the government are currently doing over there and really looking at what it means to be left wing and all the terrible things that are happening in Britain. And then smattering through that, there's bits about school debating, parenting, her ADHD diagnosis and the infestations in her new flat in Glasgow. It's just really funny. She's kind of manic in the best possible way.

I think she manages to walk that line. I know so many comedians obviously now are political. Sure, yeah. But she manages to walk this line of being incredibly adorable and funny and kind of all over the place and tell really like heartwarming personal stories about her daughter and how she tells jokes and, you know, that kind of all over the place and tell really like heartwarming personal stories about her daughter and how she tells jokes and, you know, that kind of thing with really great commentary and I think really important commentary about what is happening in Britain at the moment

and what it means to watch a government destroy the place that you love so much. And everyone I've spoken to who lives over there kind of agrees with her viewpoint really. Yeah. Just that the way everything's being privatized and all the services are being gutted and, yeah, she said it's amazing to move to somewhere like Glasgow with so much history but also with the sort of people power

and the connection over there. So anyway, I just really loved her. She's really great. So that's Josie Long and you can find her power and the connection over there. So anyway, I just really loved her. She's really great. So that's Josie Long and you can find her all over the interwebs. And the second comedian I went and saw was Laura Davis. Yeah. I've heard a lot of good things about this one. Yeah.

Yeah, so she's always brilliant and I saw her show last year which was really excellent. This one is called, well, don't just stand there dancing and she comes out dressed as Sam Neill from Jurassic Park. Love that. And doesn't really reference it for ages. Then finally dies and like, it's weird that I'm dressed as Sam Neill. And then just sort of doesn't really explain it any further

until kind of almost the end of the show. It's really clever. It feels almost like it's just your very loose, very neurodiverse, It feels almost like it's just your very loose, very neurodiverse, very funny friend ranting for 50 minutes except by the end of it you realise she's woven this incredible story. Yeah. And it's not like unhinged. It's a little unhinged.

I mean, you know what I mean. It's not just – there's a method. No, no, no. And that's what's so interesting about it, which I find so clever, that it feels unhinged and almost like you're locked in a room with someone who's clearly like, you know, lost their mind slightly. But at the same time, it's so incredibly planned. So by the end of it, it's moving as well as incredibly funny.

And she has this ability to also kind of allow you to feel in that room like the outside world is completely fucked. Right. And everything is burning and going to hell. But for that like 50 minutes in the room, we're all in it together and let's just like feel the feels and laugh a lot and like make fun of it all. And somehow through all of that you leave feeling comforted.

Yeah, nice. Okay. Yeah, it makes you feel less alone in all the absurdity, which is what I just love about comedy in general, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to be able to laugh at like just the state of affairs just because it makes it feel a little easier. But it's also really, I don't want to spoil it for people

who are in Melbourne and are going to go and see it. I know it's also really, I don't want to spoil it for people who are in Melbourne and are going to go and see it. I know it's quite niche. But I will say she's really popular in Britain. I hadn't realized that. Yeah, and she doesn't get the same kind of audiences in Australia, which is kind of interesting. But so many people have raved about this show because it's really original. She also talks about being diagnosed, I think, with autism.

also talks about being diagnosed, I think, with autism. And also she talks as well about her sexuality as well and gender and all of those things and also just her love of like walking in the dark, looking at rocks, which is like her favorite thing to do. I love walking in the dark. I know. Really, I think it really resonates with you on so many levels. I don't do it as much as I used to, but boy, big fan. Yeah.

She said she was doing it one night. She likes to walk by the beach in the dark, looking at the rocks in the moonlight. And some woman like was stepping behind her and she said she just heard the footsteps. And because she's in New Zealand, in anywhere else in the world, you would run because you would feel like you're going to be murdered. But New Zealand, she's turned around and went, hello. And the woman asked her what she was doing and then she said that she was too embarrassed to say I'm doing my favourite hobby which is just staring at rocks. Yeah.

So she said she lost her engagement ring. And then the woman spent like an hour looking for it. No, that's so funny. Oh, my God. Because she said she was a bit stoned and was like really specifically looking like. Yeah, it wasn't she was just bit stoned and was, like, really specifically looking like. Yeah, it wasn't she was just, like, glancing. No, no, she was just walking a little bit.

She was, like, hardcore looking in the rocks. I think that's totally fine. If someone was like, oh, I just love these, I'd be like, cool. I know, me too. I'd be mad if that were the other thing. Me too. But she said that she, and then she ended up leaving because she was like talking to her and she watched the movie

and stayed there for a while and looked. Yeah. I once said to a person that I ran into or I went to school with, I was buying a – I had a DVD of The Iron Giant that I'd bought. You'd love that movie. It's a fucking great movie, which I would openly say now and do whenever I get the opportunity. Yeah.

But I just ran into this guy I went to primary school with and it was like I was like late teens or whatever. And he's like, oh, what's this? And I'm like, oh, no, it's for my niece. I didn't have a niece. But I was also like this guy doesn't know me anymore. So he doesn't know whether this is true or not. And to this day he still does it, Claire.

Why didn't you do it? I don't know. Now I'd just be like, yeah, it's a movie I like. And then you can't back down from that. No. Because then I'm going to be like, actually, I don't know if he really made that up. I don't know why he said that. Because it's not even, like, embarrassing enough to have made that up either.

No, it absolutely isn't. It's so weird. It's just a weird thing to say to someone. It's so weird. Or it's you and Laura Davis with the woman walking for an engagement ring in the dark. I still have that DVD. It's a good movie.

It's a good movie. Do you know what? It is a good movie. Brad Bird directed it. I mean, you talk about it a lot. You went on to direct The Incredibles, Claire. Well, there you go. And also the movie Tomorrowland.

Wowza. A whole smattering of things. So anyway, let me just quickly wrap up talking about Laura Davis before you recommend us a thing. Sure. So she's won both the Golden Gibbo and the Melbourne Fringe Best Comedy Award in 2015. Those are big awards. Yeah, I know.

Really amazing. And she also won the prestigious comedy channel Moosehead Award as well. She's done so many amazing things and got lots of awards and all that stuff. She's just also fiercely independent and I really appreciate that about her too and very original. So just if you are in Melbourne, you should definitely go check her out. And if you are not, you should go and check out her comedy online and if you're in Britain, I'm sure she will be.

Definitely go and see her. Maybe I will, Claire. All right, that's it. Great. Cool. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts, an Uber account for your teen with enhanced safety features. Your teen can request a ride with top-rated drivers,

and you can track every trip on the live map in the Uber app. Uber Teen Accounts. Invite your teen to join your Uber account today. Available in select locations. See app for details. Beef. Beef. Beef. I'm recommending the TV show Beef, Claire.

I thought you were recommending just beef, eating beef, which I feel like is not really the done thing anymore. I think you're only supposed to have red meat a couple of times a week at max. You know what I mean? Not even. Not even? Yeah, exactly. For the planet.

If I really stuck by my guns, I wouldn't be eating any meat at all, unfortunately. If I really stuck by... I don't stuck by that many guns. I don't stuck by bloody these guns. I only stick by your guns. Weapons't be in any meet at all, unfortunately. If I really stuck by. I don't stuck about that many guns. Stuck by bloody these guns. I only stick by your guns. I'd have to get these weapons checked, Claire. You know what I mean? I'd have to bloody check them in.

I don't ever understand that reference. What do you mean by weapons checked? Again, it's like arms. Arms, Claire. Their arms are weapons. I feel terrible, Claire. You've been saying this to me for a week. There is literally nothing stopping you.

No, there is because we're on holiday and we're going away and we've been away and whatever. No, no. There was plenty nothing stopping you. No, there is because we're on holiday and we're going away and we've been away and whatever. No, no. There was plenty of time today. You need to stay out of my business, Claire. I'm in your business. I'm in your guns. I'm in your weapons.

I'll be back next week. I'm checking your weapons. I had my vasectomy and whatever. I have to say the weapons have significantly reduced. That's what I'm saying to you, Claire. They're not as killer. That's what I'm saying to you. That's what I've been saying to everyone.

I'm disappointed in them. Yeah. I'm missing Mark Wahlberg week, which they're doing at F45 at the moment internationally. Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg bought into F45 before the whole thing fell off a cliff. Good Lord. And this week the entire thing, it's a workout that is inspired by

and designed by Marky Mark Wahlberg himself. Wow. You're missing that out. That's like the one week of the year that's themed just for you. It's the same thing. It always is. It's just the same series of things that they rotate around. Wow. You're missing that out. That's like the one week of the year that's themed just for you. It's the same thing it always is. It's just the same series of things that they rotate around. Okay. The other thing I want to say, which I have, I felt at the time, but I have seen put into words more recently. It's about Mark Wahlberg.

No, it's that F45 and the danger that F45 brings to people with eating disorders or on the road to eating disorders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of the weigh-in stuff, it's so damaging. I remember saying that to you at the time and you were like, I don't really see. I guess, but I don't really know. And it's because you, and as we have previously discussed in other episodes, you've never grown up with that kind of entrenched diet calorie counting.

Absolutely, yeah. That I grew up with and women. I mean, I know there's pressure on men as well. You had it from like six years old. Yeah, exactly. And I'm not alone in that. That is so common. And so F45 for that reason is incredibly dangerous

because it normalizes the idea that you weigh yourself in front of everyone and it not only weighs you, it measures your fat content and muscle tone and all of that stuff. And then every couple of weeks you have to get back on the scales and it weighs you again in front of everyone. You don't get weighed in front of everybody. In front of a trainer. Well, it's in the public gym space.

Sure, yeah, yeah. And it's not like a private consult room. So if the trainer says to you, oh, you know, you've lost a couple of kilos, great job, that everyone will hear you. Or conversely, if they say, oh, okay, well, we can work on some things. Everyone can hear. And I've seen girls in tears. So it is, I know for you, it doesn't seem like it is. No, I know. I agree with you, but I'm saying, yeah, for some people, yeah, that's awful. That's an awful thing. And don't like go to F45. Yeah, it's really dangerous.

It is like the McDonald's of gyms also in terms of like, you know what I mean? And I know there's like real benefits as well in lots of ways, but all I'm saying is it's just, I feel like it hasn't been said enough and I'm just saying it, that it is a very dangerous practice to do in that way. And I don't think most gyms do that in that public way, which is I think that is the key. I mean, getting weight and understanding your stats can be a good thing for some people. However, I think it leads to a very dangerous road of competition

and, you know, you get that printout. And if you're someone who is very vulnerable to that kind of thing, you could end up in very dangerous places. Yep, I don't disagree. Yeah. Anyway, and there's just not enough kind of support around that, I think. Yeah, well, like I said, it's like for me the reason that I go, like I don't particularly like it because it's, you know, it's like boring and circuit work and you look at a screen

for a lot of it or whatever. But it's like it's literally like 40 minutes and I'm done. Like I'm not in a gym and I'm like, I don't know, I'll do some bench press and I'll go on the treadmill or whatever. I go there and they're like, do this, this, this, this and this. And I'm like, yep, cool. I can do all that. And then I do it and then I go home. Yeah. And I really enjoyed it. Like I think there's some great things about it too. Yeah, but you're right. You can definitely get caught up in like the minutia and all that. And really what it all, what it really comes down to for most people, like all you need to know is just eat healthier and exercise a little bit.

Like, you know. Yeah. No, what I'm saying is though you don't need these added levels of complexity and guilt and doing it in front of people and all that. I'm saying to like to have exercise, to do a big exercise. Yeah, it's interesting. We've talked about this stuff before and I just feel like unless you've lived it, you don't understand. Again, no, I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about eating disorders or people who have experienced this

over. That's not what I'm, what I'm talking about. All right, let's move on. Let's stay here and argue. I'll get cross. Let's move on. I see both sides. Claire, the TV show Beef. The TV show Beef. It's the worst. I hate when people say that because it's just such a cop out. No, it's good because I see both sides. And I see where you're coming from. You know what I mean?

But I see the other side and I see where they're coming from. I'm in the middle. So I'm above it all. You're in the middle. Because I see both sides of it. Good Lord. All right, come on. No, I also hate that. It's just like I see both.

Like I do it on the weekly plan all the time of like, yeah, no, I get it because I see both. So like in a way like, you know, I'm above it all because I see both sides. It's like shut up. No, you just don't want to. You don't know enough. You don't know enough or you don't want to commit to like an opinion. What you really think.

Anyway. Beef. Created by Lee Sung. It stars Ali Wong, Stephen Yoon, David Cho, Amy Lau. Fantastic cast, fantastic performances, fantastically made show. Here's the synopsis. Here he goes. Two strangers, this is Ali Wong and Stephen Yoon,

get into a road rage incident that brings chaos into their lives. So it starts off, these two people. Ali Wong, she runs a successful, smallish business that she's looking to sell off to a billionaire, right? And she just wants, it's like a lot in a standup. She wants that golden parachute. You know what I mean? She wants to be looked after. She wants to have enough money to not have to work or to do anything, which I'd imagine now she probably could do in real life, I'd imagine. And Steven Yeun is like a handyman who is just trying to get something off the ground and going and he's just had like a hard run

in terms of like the parents, the pressure on him, trying to get something going and then he faces an obstacle or somebody screws him over or whatever. And so he's got that. So they've got these different levels of like complexity and anger like bubbling within their lives. And then they run across each other in a road rage incident.

And it's just like one goes to pull out and the other one honks the horn and then there's a finger exchanged and then there's like a road rage incident. And as a result of that, they don't know who they are initially, but then their lives become intertwined, right? And the interesting thing about these characters is that a lot of people around them don't understand is that they have this like deep-seated rage that's just and that's they only one explains it really well at one point it's just like sits kind of like yeah i can't even explain it well it's not even i don't know it's explained really well in a way that it's also not really explained like in in its like totality and they don't even know like really strictly where this

rage comes from or they know what it feels like to live with it but not how to kind of escape it and this kind of rage and anger which like ended up in this beef between these two it's kind of it's what drives them it It's the way, it's way for them to like to feel something. It's a way to like, to grieve. It's also a way to connect to someone else because they've almost got this kind of, this obsession they've got with each other and one-upping each other. It's almost like therapeutic for both of them. They love being interlocked and having this kind of relationship that's so volatile and makes them like really feel. But at the same time, it's just mostly incredibly destructive for both them

and their families and their businesses and everybody else who's around them. It's really like about the consequences of like anger and not letting something go because it's just like this small thing that happens and it just from there because, you know, they can't let it go and they almost need it in their life. That's when things, you know, get worse. It's got great performances. Everybody is really good in it. It's really, really funny as well.

It's gotten like good reviews across the board and there's more seasons on the way I think apparently. But this season in like, good reviews across the board and there's more seasons on the way, I think, apparently. But this season in itself, it's ten episodes. You could just watch this. It's fine. Like, they could not make something. Like, I think they want to continue on with these characters, but they're also, I think the initial idea was to make it,

like, an anthology series to have, like, the beef be about, like, different things every season. Yeah, that's clever. I don't think they're going to do that anymore. I think they're going to come back to these characters, which has me kind of go, oh, I kind of wish they wouldn't, whatever. But it's also so smartly made that maybe they could. It's a bit like that Anna Kendrick.

Remember that? Yeah, love, whatever. Yeah, and each season she started it and then it was about a different. Exactly, even though she's in it and it's in the universe or whatever. Yeah, periphery, yeah. But I just really love like the energy of it and the anger and the jokes. And you really empathize with all the characters and you feel kind of what they feel. And even though they make terrible decisions, you can see kind of where it's coming from and often why they are the way they

are and why they can't escape this. And you see them kind of walking into it, but you can't stop them, Claire, because it's a television show. It's on Netflix. As mentioned, it's 10 episodes. It's just terrific. I loved it. It's really captivating and I just thought it was just really, really great. I love Ali Wong.

Yeah, she's amazing. I think she's so clever. Is this a move away from like definitely maybe? Do you think it's a step up from that film? Yeah, well, I mean it's interesting think it's a step up from that film? It's interesting because there's a lot of her that's in it. It was originally supposed to be Stanley Tucci and I think that was who they went for initially and then they got Ali Wong on board.

It's got like a mostly Asian cast and everyone, not that that really matters, but it matters in terms of like it's just nice to see representation. But there's obviously like interwoven elements from their cultures as well and different Asian cultures that I know it's not a monolith and everybody in the show is not also you see a little bit of like religion there's like a Korean church that's a that's a part of it as well and it's interesting because it I she is divorced recently or in the last year or so and I think there's I think there's a lot of that kind of in there, I feel like.

I don't know that, but just like from some of the things she said in like in interviews and mostly like in her stand-up, you can kind of see how this relationship might also kind of be based on maybe her in real life. This is really what I thought was like quite funny and also terrible is that her, I think she mentioned this in a standup show. So who knows whether this is even true, but her in-laws made her sign a prenup when they got married because her husband is a lawyer. And they thought, well, if they break up, you know, we want to protect our son or whatever

from all this lawyering money. And she's become so successful that she ended up paying off his student loans. And now that they're divorced, like there's been speculation that that prenup is now, like it protects her basically because she's worth like tens of millions of dollars now. Yeah, and so he has missed out. And apparently they have a great relationship and whatever, whatever, but, you know, so.

That's interesting. Yeah, but I think there are definitely like elements of that, like whether it be coincidence or not, that are in this story. It wouldn't be coincidence, I would think. Yeah, probably not, especially because it was like originally going to be Stanley Tucci and whatever. But, yeah, there's also like a. So she's on the writing team?

I don't know. I believe so, yeah. I think they should have some creative involvement, but I don't know about that specifically. I couldn't tell you. But, yeah, there's definitely – I would be shocked if she had like zero involvement in like the narrative of this and certain lines that she says and whatever.

Also, great looking show. Everyone looks good in it. Very handsome cast, Claire. Very like everyone's well-styled and everything. It's like it's this beautiful world that they've created because a lot of it is set within like it's like upper middle class kind of area and specifically with Ali Wong's character, Steven Yeun is more kind of like he's more kind of the middle

to lower class and he's just trying to get something going and whatever. But it's interesting because Ali Wong has to deal with this billionaire who wants to buy her company just to kind of placate this person and like talk her through the whole thing and hang out with her and whatever. And she's just like, I don't want to hang out with this weird billionaire. I just want to sell my business so I can do nothing and just hang out with my family all day. You know, I just want to get this done. And it's interesting because like, it doesn't feel like her level of wealth is, like, enough compared to where she's come from because she's not from money and the people around her that she hangs out with kind of are.

It was also sort of that thing of, like, Fleischman's in trouble. It's got that kind of, like, that concern about wealth and status and maintaining that and being comfortable and all of that, which is really interesting. Yeah, no, it sounds great. All right. And what's it called again? It's called Beef, Claire.

I think you'd really like it. I'm going to definitely check that. I mean, I love everything Ali Wong does. Yeah. But I also am really interested in that idea of that simmering rage. Oh, absolutely. As well. And where that comes from.

I would suggest, James, that you have some simmering rage. I would suggest that you have some simmering rage. Yeah, I do. And I've developed it over time. I don't think I grew up having simmering rage, but I have it now. It like sits there as a background to everything. Well, then you'll love this because it's awful. Very simmering, Claire.

Yeah, I find that really complex for me because I don't think I'm designed to be a person that has simmering rage. Like I feel like that's actually an element of your personality. Yeah, definitely. Whereas I think for me it's a reaction to my slow dawning realization of just how giant the inequity is and the stuff that's happening globally to everybody, the planet included, and women, all of it. And over time, as I've gotten older older I can sense it in me like growing.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and it doesn't sit well with me. Like I haven't learned how to like live with that kind of rage. Yeah. It just makes me feel uncomfortable and annoyed and restless. Do some gym work or something. It might make you feel better. You know what I mean?

Do some burpees. No, I think it's more just I have to start doing stuff with it. Well, for me, I think I like I've – I'm not like a – I'm not a violent person. No, but you tend to have a lot – like, no, you're not violent. You're not a violent person, but you are a person that – I do have a simmering, low-key simmering rate. Yeah, since I've met you, you've always had that. You're very quick to not like yell at people but you just love an outrage.

I'm ready to go. He's ready to go. You're ready to go. But I also I can like, yeah, I could pull it back or whatever. Yeah, yeah, you can. But you'll go to, you know, you go from like pretty low key to like what? Very quickly. Like the speed of life starts.

But I think when I was younger there was, especially like, you know, teens or whatever, there was this kind of anger in me and I didn't, it was kind of like directionless. Whereas now when I'm older I feel like it's with you. I don't necessarily think it's a lesson but it is more kind of like in relation to focused in inequity and the way things are and not fair. And the injustice and the just general ravaging of our planet. And I think that all speaks to like when I was younger

but not knowing what it was that I was kind of mad about. And I'm like why is everything like this? Like why do I feel like this about like why school works and the jobs that I have to do and like, you know what I mean? No, I don't mean like, you know, like working at a McDonald's or whatever, which also sucks obviously. No, but like the system. The system and like and I felt myself being like funneled

into this thing and I'm like, I don't like this. What the fuck is, like how did this happen? Yeah. And now that I'm sort of outside of that, thank God, like that's, which is so lucky now it's more kind of like a general anger at how things are, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

It's interesting. Mine is also a growing rage in hindsight as well. Yeah. No, I've definitely seen that for you, yeah. Yeah, because it's kind of like being tricked. That's how I feel. Yeah, because you were saying how like when you're a kid you're told like, women can do anything.

You can be whatever you want and everything's equal now. Yeah, but then alongside of that narrative was a complete lack of education of anything that I actually needed. So like I went to an all-girls school but I wasn't taught properly about my cycles or my hormones or actually how to give birth safely or what it would mean to go through menopause or what it means to make sure that you have superannuation for when you're a woman and retire or what you should be looking out for in terms

of inequity when you hit the workforce or what it would mean to have proper childcare and the choices around your reproductive rights and what that would mean for you. You know, especially growing up in a Catholic school, we weren't even technically supposed to be taught about contraception. Which is wild, yeah. But even like what is sex and what is safe sex and what is positive affirming sex as opposed to damaging and what is it to be gaslit and what is it to be in a relationship that's not good for you and the signs to look

out for in terms of coercive control and also just as a woman, the overall history of womanhood and the overall suffering of what we've been going through, this is really descending into rage. See, it's there below the surface very quickly. I wasn't taught any of that. It was kind of glossed over in this kind of weird, like girls can do anything kind of vibe. And also not to mention you kind of get sold all of this bullshit

about history that turns out surprise is not accurate to do with so many different aspects of our history that is kind of, you know, whitewashed. Written by the winners. Yeah, exactly. The books. And then even in terms of like people of colour and women who have achieved incredible things and then don't even get me started on sexuality and gender and all of those kind of stereotypes

that we weren't prepared for. But I just feel like there was just so much in that that set women up to fail. You know, it kind of set us up to then think that it was our fault that we weren't making, we weren't able to do everything. And also I think in terms of financial literacy, I just think there was a severe lack of proper education around what we really need to know. Yeah, that's definitely intentional, you know.

Yeah, exactly. But the stuff about our bodies particularly, like the stuff about matrescence, the stuff about our hormone cycles, all of it, I just grew up with this sense that I didn't fit anywhere and that nothing really made sense. Is there comfort in knowing that like a lot of other people feel that way when you talk to them? They're like, yeah, that's how I.

Yeah, it is. But it's not everyone. Not comfort, I should say. I, I, it is, but there's a lot of people that kind of don't feel that way too. And that's kind of the complex part about it. Anyway, I also feel angry just in general about everything and the state of the world for my kids as they get older. Like just so many, so many things that don't make sense to me. I'm also just mad because my brain doesn't work the way that I want it to

and that makes me feel annoyed too. Just like I'm so absent-minded and I lose everything and it's got to the point where I'm really so angry about it because I spend half my time trying to find the thing that I just found. Like your glasses. Yeah, which I just don't know where they are now in the ether somewhere. Who knows? You'll probably never know. I'll never know. And I know I'm incredibly privileged and lucky as well, so this is such a silly thing, but I just walk around looking at people who just know how to like fold their towels properly and have cupboards full of nice clean linen and know how to organize their kids' bedrooms

and, you know, know how to show up on time and will book an appointment and know for a fact that they'll turn up to it. Yeah. Like that kind of stuff, which I know seems small, but to me is so incredibly hard to do. I just have never been able to do it. Like put the car keys in the same place and not lose them.

I just can't. Maybe one day. Anyway, I don't know how that – you can take that out, Colleen. That was just a big, long, ranty complaint. Yeah, that was a big whinge. That was a big whinge. All right. But you know what?

People might be like, actually, I love that and I want to tell you about it in a review. Well, you can. Oh, they could. Excellent. If you head over to – well, your app of choice if you're listening to this. Yes, good plan. Just like Richard Johnson TX said, which I presume stands for.

He gave five stars and he wrote, best podcast ever. This podcast is way better than Project Hail Mary. Oh, God, I don't know. I still haven't got there. The 16-hour audio book I just finished after only one month. Oh, stop lauding it over me. That is a generous amount of time to allocate. That is a generous amount of time.

It's so generous. Yeah, so what have you got in terms of a letter? Well, you can also write in to suggestableproduct.gmail.com if you have a review, just like Joseph has. Joseph? Australian TV Rex, he says, with a question mark. Hello, Claire and James. Recently installed the ABC iView app to watch the new Aunty Donna show.

Yes. Let's not worry about the legality. And was wondering what other Australian shows, movies, stand-up, et cetera, are worth my time. I know literally nothing about the stuff on the app. The only non-Aunty Donna Australian thing I've ever watched being Naomi Higgins' show about being terrible young people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I believe it was called Being Terrible Young People with Naomi Higgins. Absolutely. I don't know. Anyway, you two seem like you have pretty good taste despite James' unhealthy obsession with Maid Marian the Fox. What? That's not true.

That's Mason. That's Nick Mason. And I figured I'd ask the professionals for help. Thanks for all the laughs and great recommendations. I hope this message finds you both well. And there is a dog that's just entered the studio. The dog has opened the door. Come in. Oh, look, as I discussed, there's just entered the studio. The dog has opened the door. Come in.

Oh, look, as I discussed, there's just two comedians that I talked about today, Josie Long and Laura Davis as well. There's just so much British crime on this. I'm like, ooh, what can I? I know. Bluey, obviously. Bluey, the kids' TV show, is excellent. You should definitely watch that.

That is actually really good and Deborah Malman is really great. You should watch the movie Each Prayer Lives. Do you know what That is actually really good and Deborah Malman is really great. Did you watch the movie Each Prayer Love? Do you know what else is really good? Sea Change. I feel like there were old episodes of Sea Change on there. Oh, The Newsreader's a really good drama. Yeah, The Newsreader is really good. It also stars one of the lead actors, Tess, from The Last of Us.

So that's good. That is really good. Why are you always coming in here and busting my chops with your little dog? So many chop bustings. Yeah. Those are some great ones. All right. Wait, that's it?

That's it? That's all we're going to recommend? Oh, you want to recommend some more stuff? Isn't Savage River good? Did you watch that? I did. Savage River is very good. Yes, yes, yes.

Let me think. What else is there? Hang on. Let me just. What else is there? Hang on. Let me just go into comedy. There's a lot of good kids stuff. I'm going to say Andy's Dinosaur Dimension, but that's British. It's a goddamn British thing.

Oh, Sammy J is really excellent. He just retired, didn't he, from doing that? Oh, did he? He's so good. Fisk is good. You like Fisk, don't you? I do love Fisk. Kitty Flanagan. Yeah.

Excellent. It's finished now, but Sean McCallum's Mad as Hell was really good. That's probably too niche and too like of its era, as in like you'd have to know Australian politics. Yeah, it's like up the political. Hard Quiz with Tom Gleeson is really good. That's a good quiz show. He's very funny.

And a nice man. He is a nice man. James Sherry from the show Amazing was on there. Yes. Fix and Specs is like a – Music trivia show. It's not racist. It's a music trivia show, exactly what you said.

Correct. Yeah, so those are some ones you might want to check out. Very good. Anything else? I think that's it. Wow. All right think that's it Wow Alright that's the end of the show And as much as Australian stand up there

Celia Pakola's got a stand up special on there Oh so good Celia Pakola Anne Edmonds is great Will Anderson's great There's a bunch of people on there That you might be interested in checking And it also

It cycles in and out So some of the stuff is Comes and goes Correct Black comedy is great Is Utopia on there? That's an Indigenous show That's really excellent.

Indigenous sketch show, which is really fun. And Total Control actually as well talks about First Nations issues too. It's really good. Yeah. Great. Okay. This has been Suggest a Podcast, a podcast of recommendations. I'm Claire Toddy.

James Clement is here also. Thank you very much to Rock Hollings for editing this week's episode. How does he do it? He's a magician. And we will see. Oh, also, I have a live show. Oh, yeah. On the 7th of May at the Wesleyan in Northgate.

Tickets are $35. You can head to the link below. Collings will put it there. It's also on my website, clairetonji.com. I would love to see you there. Hannah Ackfield is an amazing singer-songwriter and she's going to be playing support. It's going to be a lot of fun.

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