Suggestible - Brand Spanking New

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, this is Katnett Unfiltered. If you know us, then you know that we do almost everything together, so accommodating seven kids and seven adults on vacation can be challenging. So, we Airbnb it. And if you have a spare room in your house, you can Airbnb it. It's that simple. You can even Airbnb your whole house while you are away. You could be sitting on an Airbnb and not even know it.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Whether you could use extra money to cover some bills or for something a little more fun, your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.ca slash host. We're back, everybody. We're back. Did you miss us? I don't think anyone missed us. How many tweets do we get? People are like, where are you guys? Yeah, not many. I don't know. I don't know. I don't run that Twitter account. I've got no idea.
Starting point is 00:00:46 I got a couple. There you go. Two people. Oh, God. This isn't an audience, though. It's not as successful as my other more successful podcast. Here he goes. He's just banging on about how successful he is.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Well, I'm here to tell you you're not as successful as you think you are at being a husband. No, that's actually not true. He's a really great husband. I'm all are at being a husband. Oh, come on, mate. No, that's actually not true. He's a really great husband. I'm all right. At a husbanding. There's always room for improvement as you yell at me every day. No, I don't yell at you.
Starting point is 00:01:14 I suggest things. What is this show, though, when we do it? Oh, yes, this is Suggest for Podcast. I'm Claire. I'm James. And we recommend things for you to watch, read, and listen to, usually every week. We're trying to get back to every week. We're a little late with this episode, but that is okay.
Starting point is 00:01:27 That's all right. That is okay because we have a brand new spanking baby. Spanking baby? Not spanking baby. Oh, God. Sorry. No, I just, you know, brand spanking new. That's a phrase.
Starting point is 00:01:38 Yeah, you see, you've switched some words around there. It doesn't quite work. No, it doesn't. No, we don't. No, I don't even like saying the word spank. No? No. It makes me uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Also, I do sometimes wear spanks. But you're okay with that? Yeah, I'm okay with spanks. What about spanking? No. It just makes me feel uncomfortable. What about spanked? As in like past tense.
Starting point is 00:02:01 No, that's worse. Okay, fair enough. What have you got for suggestible this week? It's really bad is the word moist. I'm okay with that. I know people don't like it. No, that's worse. Okay, fair enough. What have you got for suggestible this week? It's really bad is the word moist. I'm okay with that. I know people don't like it. I hate that word. It doesn't affect me.
Starting point is 00:02:10 I'm so sorry, everyone. All right, so. What are you doing this week? What am I doing this week? Well, I want to recommend a movie that I watched on the old Netflix. Yeah, right. Just came out. It's called Plus One.
Starting point is 00:02:22 I also watched that. Oh, well, there you go. Hoosie, dee he dizzy doozy well mostly because i saw you watching it and i'm like this looks fun yeah and i was like having a gig yeah i was giggling out loud the dummy or pacifier for our american listeners back to our baby but please keep talking okay so this is from first time feature directors jeff chan and andrew reimer co-writers of the hulu tv comedy pen 15 which I haven't watched but I've heard is really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:46 The star is Maya Erskine and she plays Alice, a smart Japanese-American woman who has just had a tough breakup with her boyfriend. Jack Quaid plays Ben, her best friend, and the two decide to team up to help with the ordeal of attending all the weddings they have to go to for the year because they're at that age where everybody's getting married, including, it turns out, Ben's father who's embarking on his third marriage. And so they decide to go to all of them together to save each other
Starting point is 00:03:14 from the dreaded singles table. Pretty standard premise, you know, as far as things go. Correct. But it's the journey of this. The journey? The journey. Oh, God. What are we, on Oprah? It felt like a brand this. The journey. The journey. Oh, God. What are we, on Oprah?
Starting point is 00:03:26 It felt like a brand spanking new journey. What did you like about this? Because I see you chuckling away. I loved it. Well, I just was chuckling out loud. I just wanted to watch something light and fun, and I'm really, really relishing the comeback of the rom-com. That is my genre, baby.
Starting point is 00:03:42 And they're good, too. Yeah, they're good. They're well cast. You're seeing different faces're good too. Yeah, they're good. They're well cast. Yeah. You're seeing like different faces and new people. Yeah, it's really good. It's not the same old kind of people. It's not like it's Gerard Butler and Katherine Heigl or whatever,
Starting point is 00:03:53 which they ended up being before they disappeared. Yeah. Neither of which I have a problem with. It's just that I'm not really interested in that. No, no. I think the thing that really stood out in this film is that the pair have such great chemistry. And I just think Erskine, I'm going to say Erskine, just steals so many of the scenes. She's so funny.
Starting point is 00:04:13 She's just hilarious. And she's so dry with her wit and sarcasm. And a mess. And a hot mess. And also her wacky kind of physical comedy is just so brilliant and just the one liners like she'll just deliver and then
Starting point is 00:04:29 and then the scene ends yeah and I just I love the pacing of it I just thought it was really fun I think Jack Wade was great too
Starting point is 00:04:36 yeah he's from the boys show on Amazon I've looked at the superhero show where all the superheroes are lunatics the boys
Starting point is 00:04:42 the boys he's really good I like saying that. The Boys! Yeah, I just like doing that. The start of the dog and the baby. Oh no, I'm literally yelling. I'm so sorry. Yeah, so I think even though it walks down all those familiar, well-tread
Starting point is 00:04:56 or well-trod romantic comedy tropes, it's a little bit like Four Weddings and a Funeral-y or like My Best Friend's Wedding, but not. It's different. I think it's better than those. I absolutely agree. I think it is way better. I think it's also surprisingly.
Starting point is 00:05:09 It's also built on the back of those. So it's kind of easy to say, well, that movie from 30 or 20 years ago isn't as good as this new movie. Yeah. But it's like, well, this movie exists because those movies exist. Yeah, correct. Yeah. It has a vibe of that love wedding repeat.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Yeah. I also enjoyed it more than that as well. I did too. Yeah. What I thought it did than that as well. I did too, yeah. What I thought it did, because I've written a few notes here because I knew you were talking about it, it captures like the lunacy of weddings often or like the bad speeches or the repetitive nature that they, so if you start to go to a lot of weddings, you're like, here it comes, I know what this is.
Starting point is 00:05:38 And I thought it also was something, I'm going to sound like a complete prick, but I'm going to say this anyway, but it also captures those moments where people are pouring their heart out to each other and they're just 40 over each other it's this beautiful moment and you're just watching you're just like who gives a shit you know what i mean it's like someone's like most important moment and this isn't every wedding i've been to but it definitely has happened to me a couple of times where i'm just like whatever this means nothing to me. That is so terrible. Not to take it away from that person.
Starting point is 00:06:08 I know what you mean. And I would never say that. But do you know what I mean? They're so in it and I'm just like, when's food? That's one of the reasons why at our wedding I was like, five minutes, guys, you have five minutes each. That's it. Get off.
Starting point is 00:06:22 And get off. We can all drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got the speeching out of the way. The smooching was all night long. No, this is, what am I even saying? The speaking. The speeches right out of the way early. And Mason even enjoyed that about our wedding.
Starting point is 00:06:40 He did. He still talks about that. Speeches, booyah, straight out of the gate. And then get on with the dancing and eating time. I also love wedding as well like even a bad wedding i'm like this is all right because at least i've got now like i've got you there at least you know what i mean so i could enjoy them it did actually remind me a little bit this film of us going to weddings yeah just those like and it is kind of lovely in those like in jokes you look at each other when people's like partners say something really ridiculous
Starting point is 00:07:05 or someone's uncle's being super drunk on the dance floor. All those like the speeches are a little bit too long or a little bit terrible or a little bit inappropriate. Absolutely. All that stuff. And that's really fun. And I also just liked all the different versions of them. What did you think?
Starting point is 00:07:21 I'm interested on your opinion about this. Part of it is about ben's kind of character arc yeah and him grappling with that whole kind of bogus concept of the one and only and once you meet the one they'll be perfect and it'll be a meet cute and it'll all be you know that whole thing that's probably a thing that people struggle with i don't know if i ever had that kind of idea in my mind because he met me maybe well because I found I think what I liked about that was there was that conversation he had with a friend at one of the weddings towards the end and I won't spoil it for everybody though yeah you know it's pretty
Starting point is 00:07:55 predictable but the conversation the guy had about he was sort of going on to these weddings thinking how do people know for sure and how is it that they're like celebrating their love and I'm never sure about anything. And the guy was like, well, actually, people are just hoping for the best. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's like, you don't know what's going to happen. No, you don't know what's going to happen in life. Even if you're like pretty sure in that moment, which, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:13 we were when we were married. I hope so. No, we were. But you don't know what's going to happen. No, life is long. And it's something you've got to work on. And he even mentions it's like it's just a good time. Like if you invite all people and family that you like
Starting point is 00:08:26 and there's plenty of like music and alcohol and if you want to drink, some people have dry leaves, and, you know, decent food and whatever, it's a good fun time with people you like. Yeah, exactly. And I think sometimes people get caught up in and I've seen friends do this. Like the institute of marriage and being like this is so important and it is. And it is, yeah. But I also think people get caught up with what am I trying to say here?
Starting point is 00:08:49 Just settle. Just give up. No, that's not what it is at all. I think sometimes people can overthink the commitment stuff or overthink relationships or something a little bit. I think that's what he was doing too or maybe because of their experiences, that's what I'm trying to say, because of their experiences in the past in their own family and he'd experienced obviously divorce,
Starting point is 00:09:09 he is then taking those worries and concerns and nervousness into his future relationships and already picturing them falling apart, which is what he does. He withdraws and you can see him when he knows that he loves her just becoming a total arsehole. and you can see him when he knows that he loves her just like becoming a total arsehole and you can see that in relation I've seen friends experience that with partners where they've just like not been able to fully commit and then become arseholes and withdraw and then realize they've made a mistake and or you know vice versa yeah anyway
Starting point is 00:09:41 I just thought that was interesting but my favorite character was Alice's mother, Angela. I just love those scenes. I know she's so mean and so out there, but she's played so fantastically by Rosalind Chow. And I just, she's not even in it for that long. She's in it for maybe five minutes. Yeah. But I just, I loved that scene where she does a speech at her, Alice's sister's wedding.'s sister's wedding and you suddenly see all those moments with her family, Alice's family, you suddenly see why Alice is so out there and wacky and just calls it as she sees it and argues with everything because her and her mother just basically yell at each other the whole time but they love each other.
Starting point is 00:10:19 And I just thought that was really handled well. I also thought it was good how it kind of destigmatised divorce because of the dad. And obviously divorces can be terrible and messy and all of those things. But also it's, I don't plan on getting a divorce. I mean, you know, you never know. You never know. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:10:37 Don't say that. I'm just saying you could do something horrible to me. I would never do anything. Oh, God. What I'm saying is like it celebrates that like, you know. Life is messy. Life is messy. And when I was with, you know, your mother and that was really special,
Starting point is 00:10:49 but, you know, that. Oh, yeah, when he's high on the mushrooms and he's like, I wouldn't be the person I am without her. Yeah, exactly. And, yeah, exactly. So like it's not so much a failure. It's like it's more like a stage than like what happens. It does.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Because we know people that got divorced or have been divorced. Yeah, exactly. It's not the end of the world. It's not a failure. There's no shame in it. If anything, it's a good thing to be like let's not destroy ourselves. Let's kind of, you know, let's try and salvage what we can and, you know, move on.
Starting point is 00:11:16 I think it can be a good thing. Yeah, and be joyful. Yeah, I totally think that. It's kind of beautiful to kind of see that life is complicated. It's not all black and white and it's shades of grey and you have to also take people. I think there's a really awesome song I listened to by Tim Minchin called If I Didn't Have You and it's on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:11:37 It's really funny. And it's like it's funny and I think part of the reason I like it, even though it's terrible, he's basically saying to his wife who he met when they were 17, if I didn't have you statistically, I'd find someone even though it's terrible, he's basically saying to his wife who he met when they were 17, if I didn't have you statistically I'd find someone else because there's like, you know, two billion people on the planet or whatever. That is not incorrect. No. Whether or not that'd be better or worse, yeah, he would have found –
Starting point is 00:11:55 Yeah, mathematically. Yeah, it is a really funny song. But then there's something about it that it makes me laugh. But then I also think what he says is quite profound in the middle of it, in the mix of all the joking and everything, in that once you make that commitment to that person that you love, then you grow together and you keep growing together and all the life experiences that you have, if you let it,
Starting point is 00:12:20 you kind of teach each other about each other and expand who each other are. And so it's more than just like, oh, you just meet the one and it magically happens. No, it doesn't. I don't think it – that's what I was trying to say before. It's not that necessarily you magically meet the one. It's that you meet someone that is right for you who you love and then you grow together and you keep working on it
Starting point is 00:12:46 and you laugh and you are kind to each other and want the best for each other. And once that happens, it becomes better and better. And it's not always perfect. Do you know what I mean? I absolutely agree. It's like an ongoing project. It's like one of those little Japanese trees that you got to like look after. And like clip the little leaves off. Clip them. Wear a person down. Sand their edges off.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Yeah. But anyway, I think that's a really wise way of thinking about relationships and life in general. Like I remember we did some marriage education before we got married and hitched and they said that like they'd been in a relationship with the same person but also different people over 40 years, like this was the people running it. And I could see that because as you grow, like we met when I was like 19 and we changed.
Starting point is 00:13:38 We're different people. Yeah, absolutely. But if you can learn to understand and grow together, you know, and relationships are cyclical so they're not always going to be in that like full-on, you know, that what's the like honeymoon phase where you're just like all gaga. Yeah. But they kind of cycle.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Sometimes you've got a bloody baby. It's a different type of bloody gaga, am I right? Correct, mate. And they kind of cycle. Yeah. So you go back into that stage though. Yeah, definitely. And then, you know, it comes around again and each So you go back into that stage though. Yeah, definitely. And then, you know, it comes around again and each time you're learning more
Starting point is 00:14:08 about the person. All I'm saying is I love you, mate. Thank you. I appreciate you too. I just wanted to say quickly, I remember reading that apparently couples who look more and more like each other as their lives go on because they mimic facial expressions and so they're doing similar facial expressions and they get like the same creases and things. I remember reading that.
Starting point is 00:14:31 I don't know whether that's true. Oh, God. I feel like that's happening to us in a serious way. No doubt. On one last little tiny note, in that YouTube video, if I didn't have you, that Tim Minchin does, he does a stand-up comedy routine after the song and it just happened to be minute 9.30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:14:48 So Colleen's going to put this YouTube link in. He does a joke about babies breathing. I want to tell you something because I didn't know this, right? When you first get your first baby, when they're little things, first couple of months, you spend your whole life scared shitless because tiny babies, they sleep all the time and when they sleep, they sleep like this. They go. scared shitless because tiny babies they sleep all the time and when they sleep they sleep like this they go so spot on yeah yeah and how they kind of breathe like and you just think at any moment they could possibly stop breathing and you're totally
Starting point is 00:15:32 freaking out about it yeah and it's perfect and it sums up how i feel and then he goes in there and like i was doing it literally right now yeah and like just it's terrifying it's terrifying and if you've ever slept next to a newborn it's like sleeping next to them. They grunt all the time. It's a whole world. You can get anything you need with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So no, you can't get an ice rink on Uber Eats. But iced tea and ice cream?
Starting point is 00:15:59 Yes, we can deliver that. Uber Eats. Get almost, almost anything. Order now. Product availability may vary by region see app for details anyway all right okay your turn i have i really enjoyed this series it's on apple tv or apple plus whatever you want to call it uh so which you can get with a new apple device which is the only reason i have it because it's not a great streaming service. Sometimes you're like, oh, a new movie.
Starting point is 00:16:25 You click on it, and then they're like, it's $14. Anyway, this show is called Defending Jacob. It's based on the novel of the same name. It's created by Mark Bomback, who's behind the new Planet of the Apes movies. Outlaw King, which is a movie on Netflix. It's set just after the William Wallace stuff from Braveheart. It's got Chris Pine.
Starting point is 00:16:44 It's really great. Anyway, this stars Chris Evans, who's Captain America, Michelle Dockery, who's the lead of Downton Abbey, Jaden Martell, Cherry Jones, J.K. Simmons. They're all fantastic. And for the premise, I'll just read it out because I wrote this weeks ago and I can't remember it. But after a shocking crime rocks a small town,
Starting point is 00:17:06 an assistant district attorney finds himself torn between his sworn duty to uphold the law and unconditional love for his son. So what it's essentially about is a kid at school turns up murdered and then his son is implicated in the crime, his 13-year-old son. Whoa. And he's, as I mentioned, Chris Evans, who's fantastic in this play, is his father. And there is that conflict of interest because, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:30 he's very good at his job, but all of a sudden it's, he's on the other side of it because, you know, he's initially involved in the investigation. Then it comes to light that his son had involvement with this kid and how much of his son was actually involved in this, how much he knew, did he do it? It becomes this whole mystery. And it's just, it's really well done.
Starting point is 00:17:49 And it's one of those situations where it puts you in where like, if you knew your child played a part in a horrific crime, potentially, what do you do? You know what I mean? Because you don't stop loving them, obviously. But what do you do? You know what I mean? Because you don't stop loving them, obviously. But what do you do? Oh, man, that is so fun. Especially when you don't know because you kind of find out as you go along.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Like he seems like maybe he is really good at manipulating people. Maybe he's a sociopath. Maybe he isn't. It throws a lot of doubt into question the whole time and has the parents kind of questioning each other at various times about whether it's true or not. Sometimes they're more staunch than other times and then more evidence comes to light and then you know and then other things that maybe he didn't do it and it's just it's really
Starting point is 00:18:32 fantastic so you should watch it it's on if you love a murder mystery i do love and it also it brings in like social media and things like that as well because there's a lot of like bullying online and stuff like that which which happens in it as well. But it's really great. And I can't stress enough in particular how good Chris Evans, Michelle Dockery and Jaden Martell. You love Chris Evans. You have a man boner for Chris Evans. I've got a regular boner for Chris Evans.
Starting point is 00:18:55 But it's just, it's excellent. And Jaden Martell is the lead in it. I don't know if you've seen it. I haven't, no, because it's terrifying and I don't want terrifying things. That's fine. It's not that terrifying. It's one of those ones you can kind of – You say that, but it's probably still scary.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Yeah, you might be right. But no, I think this one you would really, really enjoy, Defending Jacob. All right. Really, like you should watch it. Okay, excellent. I am going to do that. Please do. I will.
Starting point is 00:19:20 What's next? All right, so I have a book and a podcast kind of simultaneously. So I talked a little bit about Austen Channing Brown, I think on a previous podcast. And she is awesome. She's written a book called I'm Still Here, Black Dignity. I can't say that word. Diggity.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Diggity. Diggity. Diggity. Oh, there we go. I'm Still Here, Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness. And I was so surprised, I think, by this book, by how much I felt I didn't know. And I think this is one of the things I kind of wanted to address with you too, in the era that we're in, in the movement Black Lives Matter that we're in currently.
Starting point is 00:20:02 And I think as someone who likes to think of myself as progressive and left-wing and, you know, quite, you know, treating people equally and all of this stuff, there is so much that I still, and probably will never understand about these kind of issues and racism, I guess, and what people experience, particularly because I am white. And I've started looking at white fragility as well. And that's kind of concept I've never heard either. But this book is a really good place to start because it's a memoir really. And it's about her life story and growing up in a really white neighborhood. And then her parents get divorced and she moves to a black neighborhood and then
Starting point is 00:20:40 finding her black church. And I guess she also then, and I would recommend listening to the podcast first, there's a podcast called Unlocking Us with my favorite Brene Brown, and she interviews Austin. And one of the first stories Austin talks about is that her parents gave her the name Austin, which is ostensibly an older white male name. And her experience of having that name, why they gave it to her to give her an inroads in the workforce and in other spheres of her life. So they see the application. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:12 And often she said almost every time she applies for a job, they think that they're getting a straight white man basically. Of course, yeah. And she turns up and everyone kind of freaks out internally but doesn't say that. But you can tell that she says you can tell people are reassessing, looking through a resume, trying to check whether there were any signs to see. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:33 It's a great way to get a foot in the door though. Yeah, that she's a woman of colour. Yeah. Clever, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I guess Austin in her conversation with Brené Brown, which is why I think it's really great to listen to the episode, talks about how it shouldn't just be, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:47 her job or people of colour or your friends with people who are people of colour to educate you. And she said often white people make the excuse, I'm not a racist, I have a black friend. I'm not a racist, I have a, you know, a Chinese friend or something. I keep a photo on hand for those exact scenarios. Yeah. Or even my husband is, insert ethnicity, I can't be racist then. Well, yeah. And she said that's actually not the point and that white people should actually be talking about
Starting point is 00:22:17 this, even though, and even now, I feel like I'm getting everything wrong and it makes me really uncomfortable to talk about this because I feel like I'm going to offend someone and you don't want to offend anyone. So it's a perspective of a book and interviews where it's not like, oh, I know people so I'm not racist. It's more like it's something that you can't comprehend. Yeah, and that ostensibly because you are – You can't drag me around and be like –
Starting point is 00:22:40 Yeah, look at me. I'm not racist because I know someone who's – You see that so often as well. Yeah, look at me, I'm not racist because I know someone who's... You see that so often as well. Yeah, exactly. And she said that actually we all have internalised racism. Not me. No, but it's important for white people, I guess, or anyone, any person, but particularly white people in this moment,
Starting point is 00:22:59 to talk about this with other white people, examine our own social biases and look at the way that the world is set up for us and then examine that in ourselves and educate ourselves. It's our responsibility to go and do that. And so anyway, now I'm making this book sound really dry. It's not at all. It's a memoir and it makes you feel things and makes you really think differently. And it kind of shifts your whole world or my whole world. It shifted my whole world of understanding what it would be like to grow up as a person of colour in a particular cultural group. And it's just a great read too.
Starting point is 00:23:37 It's very easy to read. It's called I'm Still Here, Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness. It's really Austen's – it's a memoir really about her childhood and growing up. It's really interesting in America. I was thinking about that name thing that you mentioned. It reminds me of – I have an Indian friend. Yeah, here we go.
Starting point is 00:23:55 We have a friend called Barry. Yeah. Who's the last name I won't say obviously but his name, his birth name is Baljinder and his parents changed him when he was really young when he was in kindergarten because it was to do with like other kids couldn't pronounce it but i think there probably was because i know his dad and him have both experienced like racism you know which isn't uncommon because i know there's a lot of there's not to harden up or whatever shut the fuck up like you don't know
Starting point is 00:24:16 yeah but i think a lot of that is would have been like barry is like a very traditionally australian name they could have picked anything or not changed it, but that's what they went with, you know? Yeah. And I just think that's. It's really interesting. Well, even, and I know, I don't know if you're comfortable talking about when you guys went to go get pizza from the pizza shop.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah. Yeah. And how you went to pick up the pizza and Barry went to grab it. And the guy thought that he was the Uber driver. He was the Uber driver. Yeah. Yeah. And he like laughed.
Starting point is 00:24:45 He was like, but like that's, and there's nothing, there's no malice there, but that's, yeah, that's exactly. That's the kind of. If I had have grabbed it, nobody would have thought that I was the Uber driver. Yeah, and you very well could have been, but it's, yeah. And I guess that, and you wonder what that's like on a day-to-day basis. I saw Ernie Dingoingo who is an Indigenous Australian comedian
Starting point is 00:25:06 and we kind of grew up with him as a comedian in the 90s. He hosted a lot of kid shows. Yeah, he did and he did like travel shows and stuff like that. Travel shows and, yeah, and he's really excellent. He's in the second Crocodile Dundee. He is and I saw him do an interview recently about why he developed his sense of humour and how it became a deflection mechanism because literally every day of his life he was coping with little situations like that and even
Starting point is 00:25:33 though in the instant it doesn't look that bad but over time if that's happening to you on a daily basis you get exhausted and tired and you can imagine like there's so much in our lives that just happens so easily that we don't even realise happens so easily. Yeah. Like Austin talks about borrowing some library books and her library card had Austin on it and she was like eight or something and the librarian didn't believe that it was her library card. Oh, really? Yeah, because she was like, well.
Starting point is 00:26:01 Like she's going to steal the library. Yeah, steal the books or something. Or she talks about her parents teaching her about how she could be in shops and how if she picked something up in a chemist, don't put your hands in your pockets. Make sure it's clear that you've put it down and you don't put your hands in your bag or in your pockets because you don't want to give anyone any reason to risk you or to think that you were trying to steal something.
Starting point is 00:26:26 Yeah, well, I've heard stories like that. I know like how to, like when people are pulled over, depending what your background is, how you should behave, how you should, you know. How you're treated, yeah. How you keep your hands like kind of on the roof of the car and things like that just so people, you know, because there's been cases of people being shot.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Yeah. Just, you know. Exactly. For no reason. Yeah. Just, you know. Exactly. For no reason. Yeah. So it's, yeah. And I know. I think we've solved it.
Starting point is 00:26:51 So we're all good. No, I think it's good to be, I should read that because I think it's really good to be mindful of those things because, yeah, I'm definitely one of those people who's like, well, yeah, I'm not racist or whatever, but, yeah, I've had a completely different experience. So you don't even know. Yeah, and there's things that you might say. I can't help but have an experience of us.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Yeah, exactly. Or there's things that you might say or assume that you don't even realise have offended someone or made someone's life more difficult. Yeah, absolutely. And, yeah, anyway, it just made me really think about this and also how difficult, like even now I'm cringing about this conversation because I feel like I'm going to offend someone. And the message I've sort of been reading about is that we shouldn't be afraid
Starting point is 00:27:29 to examine this kind of stuff and have these conversations because it can only really help, I think, if we can develop more empathy. Anyway, it's a really interesting book. That's really cool. It's cool. And I would recommend if you can't, don't have time to read a book, listen to the podcast, Brene Brown with Austin Channing Brown called Unlocking Us.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Okay. It's really good. Cool. All right, well then let's bloody wrap it up then. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Okay. Well, do you have any reviews for us over there?
Starting point is 00:27:59 Because you can review us in app straight away. The best thing about a review is you can just do it in app. You can open up your app. You can just do it right there. Five stars if you could, like Matthew0027 said. You might learn something. On an episode, they talked about the birth of their new child. Claire compared to getting a cesarean to getting the last little toothpaste
Starting point is 00:28:15 out of a tube. I was eating chili cheese burrito from Taco Bell at the time. I don't think I'll look brushing my teeth burritos or the podcast in the same way again. So there you go. He learned something horrifying. He didn't want to know it, but he learned something, and that's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:28:30 That is. Did you get any interesting things said to you about it? I did. I got some great emails, and you can email the show if you have any recommendations at suggestiblepod at gmail.com or if you just want to say, hey, dudes, we love you. We think you're top. Excellent.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Anyway, this one is from Keshika, and I'm probably going to say this name wrong. I'm so sorry. And he writes, hi, Claire and James. Hope you and the kiddos are staying safe and healthy. I was listening to this last week's episode where you mentioned the Australian Comedy Festival on Stan. And this is a correction, and I wanted to mention it. We talked about Sammy J, who does the puppetry for Randy Feltface.
Starting point is 00:29:08 He doesn't do the puppet. No, he doesn't. It's a comedian named Heath McIvor. I realized that as soon as I finished. I know. I felt so terrible. Anyway, they do work together though, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Yeah, they do. But no, he voices Randy. Not exclusively, but yeah, they have worked together. No, he's a longtime comedy partner. So they do lots of shows together, including an Aussie TV show called Ricketts Lane, and you can hear all about them and their relationship in a recent podcast Heath featured in called Under the Puppet. I think that would be really interesting. And his suggestion is Randy's solo stand-up routine, Randy Writes a Novel,
Starting point is 00:29:42 where he does a one-hour routine that is both hilarious and thought-provoking. I would love to watch that. I'm going to. What's it on? Our YouTube. Very good. Yeah, keep up the good work on this podcast because it brings us all joy to hear Claire's lovely voice.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Oh. And her dulcet tones. Oh. And James' rampant rants. Oh. Good alliteration there. James' rampant racism. Take care.
Starting point is 00:30:02 K.U. Sheeker. Nailed it. I so not nailed it. We're going to get another correction from that same person. Take care. Kayushika. Nailed it. I so not nailed it. We're going to get another correction from that same person. I'm so sorry, mate. Anyway, thank you for writing in. We really appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:30:11 I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Cool. Okay, that's it from us. All right, we'll be back next week, won't we, Claire? Who knows? Who does know? But we will be here.
Starting point is 00:30:18 We're keeping it consistent. We're keeping it high. We're keeping it tight, aren't we? Yeah, always keep it tight. All right. We'll see you guys. Nice, tight. On the next. Buttocks. Oh, no keep it tight. All right. We'll see you guys on the next. Nice, tight buttocks.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Oh, no, it's firm buttocks. Yes. From my favourite rom-com. Notting Hill. Sleepless in Seattle. No, Claire, you've got the movie wrong. Now we're going to get more corrections. All right.
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