Suggestible - Fear Street and Ms Represented
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Welcome to Suggestible, the show where Claire will sing at you even if you don't want to.
But at least you don't have to live with it every day like I do.
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Well, not make.
You'd never make anything.
But you'll drink a kombucha any day of the week.
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Why would I make a kombucha when I could buy it?
Do you know that kombucha comes from this thing that's kind of like a jello-like
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Everything's gross and poisonous or whatever.
I'll Google you a picture of kombucha.
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We recommend you stuff to watch, read, and listen to.
I'm Claire.
Jade is also. We are married. And let's bloody get this show on the proverbial road. I agree.
Am I right? Why don't you tell me what you've been watch, reading or listening to?
No, I'm busy. I'm Googling kombucha. You do it first.
I'll start. And I won't listen to you.
I'm going to talk about the Fear Street trilogy. Are you familiar with the Fear Street books?
No.
There are some I.L.
Stein books that started in the very late 80s.
How do I not know that because I love Goosebumps.
Yeah, so what they, the reason you might not have read them is because
as Goosebumps were taking off, that was the age that you were
and these were like for old kids.
So there was like more gore and horror and terror and people being murdered
and stuff, right?
So all three of these movies were directed by Lee Janak.
Janak?
I don't know.
But anyway, which is an incredible feat because it's three.
I'm interrupting you.
Just look at that.
It's called Scoby.
I don't care.
It's bacteria in a jar.
Yeah, it looks like a chocolate mousse or something.
Are you insane?
Look at this one.
It looks like a tiramisu.
It's got like mould sitting on the top of it.
It's like it's disgusting.
Anyway.
You eat yogurt.
What do you think yogurt is?
Yeah, good point.
I'm sorry, continue.
So she managed to direct these three movies back to back
and they're all interwoven, right?
Again, based on the R.L. Stine books of the same name.
The overall story centres around teenagers who work to break the curse
that has been
over their city for hundreds of years.
So the idea was initially, again, shoot these back to back, which again is incredible.
It's incredible.
It's a really difficult thing to do.
Movie trilogies try them now and then.
I could shoot you in the back if you like.
What?
Pew pew!
Pew pew pew pew!
You said shoot back to back.
If you're going to interrupt, it has to be a good joke, Claire.
The rule is if you're going to derail, I guess it can be annoying.
Wait, wait, wait.
I guess this is.
The joke, is it taking you this?
I mean we're nearly up to 100 episodes.
I don't know how many we've done.
I think this is 101.
Oh, God.
We didn't do anything fun for it or anything.
No, we did a great show and that's fun.
I don't think it's 100, surely.
I'm pretty sure it is.
All right, well.
Write in, let us know what's 100.
I'm looking at, no, it's like 78.
Rob Collings has been, no, your numbering system is wrong
because Collings has been numbering them in Big Sandwich
and we're over 100.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, oh, shit.
If I'd known it was 100, I would have done something fun.
I wouldn't.
I knew and I didn't say anything.
So anyways, I mean, trilogies are shot back to back
or attempted all the time and very often it does not work.
There's a few examples of this working.
So the idea was that they were going to be released a month apart
in cinemas,
which would have been a really interesting release strategy as well
because does a box office, does it help?
Does it hinder?
Do you know what I mean?
Would you call it interesting?
Well, it's interesting because.
To you maybe.
Yeah, well, it could not because it's changed obviously because of the pandemic.
Because it would have been interesting to see if it actually paid off
because if the first one isn't well received,
people aren't going to see the next two.
Do you know what I mean?
Especially like a month after.
So Netflix ended up buying them and they went out every Friday night
for three weeks.
Yeah.
So the first one's set in 1994, second one's set in 1978,
and the third one's set in 1666.
Ooh.
Step back in time.
You get some characters.
All our confusion when nothing is new.
There's nothing to it.
I will leave.
Step back in.
R.L. Stine.
What's happening?
I said step back in R.L. Stine.
Oh, very good.
I will leave the room.
I will leave.
You think I won't?
I will literally leave the room and not come back.
And that will be the show.
And it will be a lesson to everybody, to you and to everybody listening
who encourages your nonsense and shenanigans.
I'm not here for it.
Why is the line now is that you'll leave the room?
You just keep doing that.
You've done that a couple of times.
Everyone knows you don't really mean it.
Just try me.
See if I see what happens.
No, I don't want you to leave me.
Anybody who listens to my more successful show,
The Weekly Planet, knows that I run on pure spite.
I know.
I've been married to you for many years.
I know you run on pure spite.
I know that you will hold like a grudge up against someone
for so many years that they will have forgotten about the whole incident
and then you will get them.
I could walk out and just not do the show again.
Just pure spite.
Even though I enjoy doing it, I'll be like, no,
I'm just not going to do it because I know it makes somebody else
slightly more unhappy.
Or not even, just a little bit unhappy.
I'll wear that.
Okay, fine.
Anyway.
Just before you continue, can you at least acknowledge
my wonderful joke, step back in Narelle Stein?
It was pretty good.
That was a pretty good joke.
Just came out of nowhere.
It was really incredible.
It surprised me.
Okay, continue.
I don't know where these ideas come from.
But so you get some character crossover and people play also different people
from different eras.
And it captures, you know, eras reasonably well I think.
Ears or eras?
Both.
In the 90s, you know, that's the era that I was alive from,
like, yeah, this is pretty good.
You know, it's got some music and whatever and, you know,
I remember school lockers, which I'm sure still exist.
No, now kids don't have lockers.
Now they have TikTok.
They store all their books in TikTok.
That's what I've heard.
Anyways, so the idea is that people every now and then in this town,
just somebody for no reason will.
Breaks out into song and dance.
Sometimes.
But will go insane and it could be a nice person, a weird person,
and then start murdering people until they're put down.
But every time there's a new murderer, there's another person
who can then be brought back because it's kind of supernatural.
So every time it happens there's a new murderer that will then come back.
So sometimes there's murderers from all different eras. There could be like half a dozen at a time you know running about
murdering people right so initially i wasn't really that into it i was like yeah this is fine
sort of standard whatever and but as the stories become more interwoven and you get more backstory
and you learn more about the characters and even though the second one is set in like 1978 you
still do get some stuff from the characters in 1994
and same with the last one.
And it culminates in like a really interesting way
and I think it's got a really satisfying payoff
and there's really great twists and turns.
And if you like horror and like gory horror because there's a moment
where a person gets their head pushed through a bread slicer.
What?
Why would I want to watch that?
Yeah, they kill people you, well, I was going to say you like or don't.
Like they killed a lot of people I didn't like either.
Okay, I'm going to stop you right there, Sonny Bob.
I've had a lot of vegetables today,
so I'm sorry about the general smell in this studio.
You can't smell anything.
All right, okay.
Well, colleagues get that out.
No one needs to know.
I guess.
I don't know why you said it then.
I don't know either. Even if I was, I wouldn't have brought that up because I'm a gentleman. I'm in a needs to know. I guess. I don't know why you said it then. I don't know either.
Even if I was, I wouldn't have brought that up because I'm a gentleman.
I'm in a very silly mood.
I can tell.
I had a fistful of chocolate chips before we started.
A fistful?
The only chocolate in our house, because otherwise we'll eat it,
is some chocolate chips I bought for baking.
I got some terrible protein bars.
I know.
They're awful.
Anyway, so I just jammed a fistful in. No, I don't want to eat one I know. They're awful. Anyway, so I just get a jab to fistful in.
No, I don't want to eat one of those.
They're rocky road.
Oh, no.
I don't like.
No, I'm not into it.
I just want regular chocolate chip cooking chips.
Anyway, where was I going with this?
I can't remember.
I don't know.
I'm on my phone.
So you keep going until you're finished and then I'll come back.
I'm interested.
No, please don't do this.
I'm interested. I'm listening. You're please don't do this. I'm interested.
I'm listening.
You're so annoying.
Oh, am I?
Don't go on your phone.
Am I now?
You know how I hate that.
You know how I hate that.
I hate that.
Sorry, go on.
You ate some chocolate and you're farting up a storm.
Go on.
I didn't say farting.
I just said it smelled a bit.
What else would it be? I had a lot of vegetables today.
What's happening?
Do you know vegans and vegetarians fart a lot?
Everybody farts.
Yeah, I know.
I had this exact conversation with my son today who keeps trying to shock me
by saying like poo and fart jokes and I just keep going deadpan back at him.
Yeah, everybody farts, everybody poos. And then I like kill the joke.
But now, oh, brah.
Yeah, for him.
But not for us because it's endlessly amusing.
No, we were talking, oh, yes, this is what I came to,
other than obviously my admittance.
Why do I like gory things?
Yes.
There is something worrying about you.
Me?
Yes.
It's not even the genre that I particularly enjoy. But I have noticed something about you. Me? Yes. It's not even the genre that I particularly enjoy.
No, but I have noticed something about you.
You enjoy watching shows where you never know who's going to get killed,
especially people that you like.
Yes.
What is that about?
Because it's interesting because if it's just like you know someone's going
to survive all of the time and there's no consequences.
And then the villains are always going to die.
Who cares?
Or the background characters are going to die. Who cares? Or the, like, background characters are going to die.
Yeah, who cares?
Right.
It's nothing to do with the fact that in real life you just don't know
if someone's going to be murdered at any point either.
I guess.
I don't know.
Maybe there might be a – these are popular movies.
Do you not understand the horror genre?
They're hugely popular.
It's, like, one of the most popular genres.
I know.
I'm not saying –
And it keeps reinventing itself every few years.
I'm not saying that you are not a basic bitch that is the same
as a lot of other people.
Oh, I'm sorry, fucking Jane Austen over here with your Mr. Darcy crush.
Like it's fucking 1994.
Fucking calm down.
Yeah, I know.
Ooh, Colin Firth in his wet shirt.
Get over it.
It was like 25 years ago.
I have moved on, thank you very much.
Not very far. You have. No, thank you very much. Not very far.
You have.
No, I really haven't.
Look, I don't know where I was going with that.
Anyway, I'm in a silly mood.
I'm very sorry.
Colin's going to edit out the bit where I called you a basic bitch.
I don't care.
I want you to leave it in.
Anyway, all I was pointing out was that's an interesting part
of the human psyche.
That's why people like Game of Thrones because characters
that they really liked could just get murdered at any point.
It's not necessarily about murder.
It's about consequences and there's stakes.
That's what it comes down to.
Oh, it's stakes.
Yeah.
I get that.
Not the meaty variety.
I mean, it could be.
The nerve-wracking kind of stakes.
But, yeah, again, as it becomes more interwoven and kind
of the villain is revealed because initially,
or not even initially, it's like there's a witch.
There's this woman from 1666 who's a witch and she's cursed the land
and that's why this is happening and you find more and more about it.
As you go on, you find out more about people in the community
and how people are connected and why people are more successful
than others, et cetera.
It's interesting because it does have a very kind of Stranger Things-esque kind of feel. And even though it wasn't produced by Netflix, it was bought by
Netflix. Lee Janak is actually married to one of the Stranger Things guys. I can't remember which
one. They're called the Duffer Brothers. So I don't know whether that had any influence on
each other's stories or vice versa, but it does kind of have that vibe. And it's pretty good.
I didn't really, again, initially think much of it
but I liked the concept and they might be doing more and it was cool.
I liked it.
Sounds really cool actually.
Do you like Scream or like, I don't know, horror movies I guess?
This is your genre of choice.
Yeah.
You know.
I know what you did last summer.
Yeah.
Is it that kind of vibe?
I mean but again it changes because it's's the second one is more like Jason.
Have you ever seen the Halloween?
Not Halloween, the other ones.
It is safe to say I have not seen any horror movies.
Friday the 13th movies where the second one is set in 1978 at a camp
where one of the camp councillors goes crazy and starts murdering people
and it's very Friday the 13th with Jason and that's what those stories are about.
And then in 1666 there's like a whole different story again
because it's like witch trials and, you know what I mean,
and people with, you know, suspicions about each other
and who's a witchcraft and who's the devil and whatever.
Also there's a bunch of queer characters in it as well.
Which is awesome.
I, as like a young adult, so like a, what is that, a teen,
and maybe even sort of like a tween, was obsessed,
and I kind of still am, with witches.
Did you love the movie The Craft with Niamh Campbell?
Yeah, I really did.
It's a new series.
I loved the series Charmed, which obviously, you know, is what it is.
And like I was really fascinated by the Salem Witch Trials.
I read a lot of fantasy books around the idea, like even Joan of Arc
and the idea of women as witches and that whole notion
of them being kind of magic medicine women in a way
and being ostracised and murdered by society.
I just found that so interesting.
They were just murdering women really, weren't they?
Yeah, exactly.
Particularly it seems to be murdering women who were intelligent,
who were different, who were thinkers, who maybe didn't fit the mould,
weren't happy to just be servants, maybe didn't bear children
and also held knowledge that the church leaders,
and particularly around pagan kind of knowledge,
that church leaders didn't have.
Anyway, I'm not an expert in this realm by any means,
but it's always been a topic that I would love to delve more into
because I think it's so fascinating. Then that I would love to delve more into because I
think it's so fascinating.
Then you should.
I should, actually.
I really should.
And I just used to love fantasy tween novels about that whole thing.
I read a lot of, even I read a lot of kind of tween fantasy novels, and I can't remember
the names of them now, that kind of bridged that gap around women being called witches in a village, in a medieval kind of village who were also kind of midwives
and brought babies into the world and were like the medical medicine
kind of woman of the village.
That was seen as.
Yeah, and they used a whole lot of like herbs and like natural remedies
to heal people and that was then seen as them being some kind
of strange outcast or witch
and I just found that whole idea really interesting too.
And I don't know how true to life that is or whether that was a narrative
that did actually happen.
But that kind of historical, I got really into that kind of historical stuff.
There was a series called The Alana Chronicles which was not really
about witches but it was about Alana who was a knight.
Okay.
In this kind of mythical medieval kind of land and she becomes this,
like, really kick-ass knight and has adventures and there's magic
and spells and she, you know, had to pretend to be a boy for a while
to, like, be taken seriously.
Anyway, it's a really good, like, kind of, or it was when I read it back
in the 90s.
I loved it.
Great. Cool. Okay. Can I talk about back in the 90s. I loved it. Great.
Cool.
Okay.
Can I talk about mine now?
Sure.
That was really boring.
But what's next?
My niece, I'm so sorry.
Let's be nice to each other again.
This is the tone.
You said it.
And I'm this close to walking out, Claire.
All right.
I'll be nice now.
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Okay, I have a much more serious
recommendation this week. It's called Ms. Represented with Annabelle Crabb.
Ah, yes, yes, yes. I briefly talked about it last week and it's Ms., so like MS,
represented. It's written and created by Annabelle Crabb, who's an Australian writer and journalist
and directed by Stamia Maroupas. It is the best documentary I have seen possibly ever.
Wow.
Yeah.
Annabelle's always wanted to create this.
She's a political commentator and really excellent
at that kind of sphere as well.
Yeah.
And she always wanted to create this documentary
because this is 100 years after Australia elected
its very first female parliamentarian,
Edith Cowan, and she presents this raw and honest account of politics from the female
perspective over the last 100 years. So it also has a cast of female politicians, past and current.
Okay.
So the cast is a list of female firsts, Julia Gillard, our first female prime minister,
Anne Alley,
who's the first woman of Islamic faith to be elected to the federal parliament.
Bronwyn Bishop, the first New South Wales woman elected to the Senate. Julie Bishop,
the first woman to serve as deputy leader of the Liberal Party, which is our conservative party.
Sarah Hanson-Young, who's the youngest woman to be elected to the Australian parliament.
Ross Kelly, the first woman to represent an ACT seat in the House of Representatives.
And then underneath that, there is just a list of just these incredible political superstars,
Julia Banks, Quentin Bryce, Linda Burney, Emma Hussar, Cheryl Curnow, Carmen Lawrence,
Nova Peres, Natasha Stott-Despoyer. When did she leave?
She left, I think, last year or the year before.
Was she in for a while?
Yeah, Natasha's Dr. Spoya.
No, no, no, Nova Paris.
Nova Paris.
So she was an athlete, right, an Indigenous Australian athlete.
I remember when she started but it wasn't for long, was it?
No, she was elected and was brilliant at the job but left
and I'm a little unclear as to why she left.
They don't really touch.
I would love to.
Have you ever mailed her yet?
Can you just?
No, I haven't.
I'm curious.
No, I haven't yet.
She's a massive superstar.
Anyway, but yeah, there's lots of people I would love to interview
and then there's a list of people that I actually could interview.
Sure.
Anyway.
Just keep going with the B team that you've been interviewing.
Is that what you're saying?
Not at all.
That's what it sounds like.
No, it's the people that I'm friends with or who I know people who know them.
That's how I've got like the amazing people I've interviewed.
If you know somebody you think Claire would like to interview,
shoot us a Gmail.
Oh, my goodness, yes, please.
I would love that.
Suggestible at gmail.com.
Is it really hard?
Yeah, it's really hard.
I mean no one wants to be emailed like cold interviewed
from some random Australian woman in Melbourne just to be like, come on and interview, it's really hard. I mean no one wants to be like cold interviewed from some random Australian
woman in Melbourne just to be like, come on an interview.
It's really hard.
And then obviously management don't really want to talk to me.
But you also write emails really aggressively.
You're like, come on the show or I'll kill you.
I'll find you.
I'll kill you.
I know what you look like.
I'll kill you.
I do.
I need to step back a bit.
It works on some.
Okay. Anyway, going back to bit. It works on some. Okay.
Anyway, going back to this, she also interviews Amanda Vanstone
and Penny Wong and just all of these women have these incredibly proud,
angry, determined, sad, hilarious stories about their time in politics
and often have really similar stories.
There's one particular sequence where there must be like ten women
who are telling the same story, right, and the story is
about being in a group of men because most of the time women
are in a vast minority in our parliament and they'll put forward
an idea, everyone will ignore it, and then two seats down a man
will then say
the exact same idea and get a cheer, like an applaud.
Everyone will be like, well, that's a really excellent thing
that Scott has just said, you know, and it's happened so often.
Scott Morrison he's saying.
Yeah, but it's so familiar and quite eerie because they're
all interviewed individually and yet the vast majority
of the women they interview are telling this narrative
and telling it so similarly that they've cut together a couple
of minutes of footage with them.
You know how you like to tell one story and multiple people
are saying the sentence?
That's what it is.
That's awesome.
And it's just, yeah, it's such great editing.
Are they doing name people?
Are they like, and then this person said this, Tony Abbott?
In that particular instance they don't name people but they they like, and then this person said this, Tony Abbott? In that particular instance, they don't name people,
but they absolutely do name other people.
For instance, we have a really conservative politician,
Corey Bernardi, and when I say conservative,
I don't mean just in terms of he's politically conservative
and socially conservative.
He's kind of on the right-wing extreme.
Right.
And he's, all accounts, not a very nice person at all.
He has some really, really nasty views.
But Sarah Hansen-Young, who was the youngest female elected
into Australian Parliament, was also a single woman
and a single mother.
And so her stories are just mind-blowing.
For starters, there's rumours and innuendo that just spreads
like wildfire
throughout Parliament House that she slept with lots and lots of different men within the
Parliament. Those dudes are all cheating on their wives as well. Right, exactly. But anyway,
and because she is attractive as well and very outspoken and articulate and very powerful.
So I feel like that's a tactic to undermine her credibility. Yeah. She also said it's particularly harsh to women who are single,
which I thought was a really interesting comment to make too.
Anyway, she talks about this story of her bringing her child in
because at that point there wasn't any childcare within the parliament house.
There is now.
And she was in the Senate and to be able to
vote on legislation, you have to be actually in physically inside the Senate and when the doors
are shut. And if you're not in there, you don't get to vote. And so the doors were shutting and
the person that was supposed to be looking after her child fell through and she had no choice but
to bring her daughter into parliament who must have been about 18 months old.
Anyway, there's footage they show of the Speaker or whoever it is
in the Senate calling her daughter a stranger,
saying there is a stranger in the house.
Whoa.
Please have her removed.
And then a security guard takes her daughter
out of her arms and takes her daughter out of the room.
And some of the other parliamentarians do speak up and say,
well, this just doesn't seem appropriate because her daughter is screaming.
Yeah.
And you can hear her screaming outside the doors.
And Sarah's in this position where she's got to be put up to vote
and she has to work.
And so she's, you know, put in this position where what does she do?
Does she go to her screaming child or does she make the vote?
Now, as an 18-month-old, the baby was,
it's not like the baby was crying or anything.
She was quiet.
She was just being held by Sarah.
Yeah.
And that is one of the myriad examples of barriers to women entry.
So that kind of stuff is crazy.
The other story that's really interesting,
Cory Bernardi, because all of the women talk about the culture
in Parliament House and how much, yeah, exactly,
how much partying goes on in there, how much booze
and alcohol is consumed within that building is just crazy.
And because of that, it's quite a dangerous environment
for everybody to be in in lots of ways and particularly for women and particularly for young women.
Sarah is up there trying to put forward a bill or a proposal.
I'm not getting the words exactly right, maybe a piece of legislation.
And she's up there speaking.
And you can see on the footage, they put it in the documentary, Corey Bernardi is very
drunk.
He kept coming in and out from a party down the corridor from this Senate.
And often this kind of legislation will be argued well into the night. He's very drunk. He kept coming in and out from a party down the corridor from this Senate.
And often this kind of legislation will be argued well into the night.
So it'll be like late evenings by the time they actually get something passed or they might pull all-nighters.
So he's coming in and out from this party.
He slowly makes his way around the chamber.
He keeps calling out and calling out.
He starts singing nursery rhymes under his breath at her.
So weird.
And eventually he gets like a metre away from her and he starts listing under his breath names of men that there's rumours
that she's slept with, none of whom she has but just rumours,
like he just keeps listing men.
And she's there.
Eventually when he starts listing all those men,
she flinches in the speech. Yeah. She's trying. Eventually when he starts listing all those men, she flinches in the speech.
Yeah.
She's trying to give.
And you can see what's crazy is there's so many men in that room anyway, right?
And the Speaker of the House kind of is interjecting to say,
Corey, you know, please be quiet.
But nothing forceful.
He's not kicked out of the chamber.
And Sarah's eventually pushed to the edge and she said,
I'm trying to do my job and I've got someone over here
who keeps interrupting.
And the speaker says, yes, yes, I can see, Cora, you need to stop.
And he does it again and then Sarah says,
maybe we should start putting breathalysers outside the chamber.
Ah.
And she is asked to sit down.
So she's asked, the guy says something like, oh, Sarah,
there's no call for that.
Oh, you will be, you need to sit down now.
You're out of line and stop talking and it's no longer your floor or whatever.
And so there's that kind of stuff because you think in a workplace,
in a corporate situation when you're responsible for people's lives
and making any situation, in a school, for instance. Of course,
if someone was coming in inebriated, they would be removed. And if there was a culture where there
are a lot of people being inebriated in the office making decisions, you would ask, you would, it is
fine, I think, to say, how about we start breathalysing people upon entry? You know,
it's just, oh God. Anyway, there's so many moments like that in that,
in the documentary. And the women all have different views as well, because a lot of the
older women from previous generations have the view that no one, you shouldn't say anything.
You don't call out the sexist behavior. You don't call out when people are sexually assaulting you,
which is what happened quite a lot, or making derogatory comments or not listening to you because you're a woman, because all it does
is pay, call attention to it.
So you just stay silent.
You prove your worth by your actions, right?
And that's, that's that kind of narrative, I think, that's gone on for a lot of generations.
And maybe that, maybe that was true in that particular era.
Maybe that was true before Me Too.
But it's really clear that it hasn't actually improved anything in 100 years.
I think you've got to like stamp on people.
That's what I think.
Well, yeah.
Not like literally but maybe, no.
But no, I think you need to, yeah, there needs to change.
There needs to be like forceful change and like rules and consequences
that people actually abide by.
But maybe it's because the tipping point is starting to go in our favour
because previously I don't think there was any avenue for those women to go to.
No.
Like there wasn't anyone.
They didn't have enough power.
That's what's great about Annabelle Crabb as well.
Is that what you mean, like in particular?
No, I mean within the Parliament House itself, culturally, 50, 20,
maybe even 20 years ago, 10 years ago even, there was no point
in speaking up because nobody would listen and you would lose your job
because you don't want to make the party look bad.
Does that make sense?
In politics or in any workplace? Because the consequences of a woman
speaking up be that she, and still happens now, she gets victimized, she gets rumors spread about
her, she gets her face and name splashed all over the papers and she loses her job or she loses
credibility. And I think that's changing now, but maybe only after Me Too really, which is why so
many women have stayed silent. So it's just really interesting looking at the juxtaposition
of where they were.
They look at Brittany Higgins who came out about the rape that occurred
to her in Parliament House.
It's just such a brilliant documentary and I would recommend anyone.
Is it finished now?
Yeah, they dropped it all at once on ABC iView,
but there's also a podcast that goes with it called Misrepresented and it's hosted by Annabelle Crabb and also a comedian called Steph Tisdall,
which kind of unpacks each episode a little bit further.
Just for instance, there's one other thing that blew my mind.
It wasn't until like I think it was the late 70s, early 80s,
that women had a bathroom in Parliament House.
So women were having to either use the male toilet,
which they really wouldn't do, so they would literally leave
the Parliament House to go to the toilet.
Like Edith Cowan, the first female parliamentarian,
had to literally run home any time she wanted to go to the bathroom.
Luckily her house was close to the parliament house.
Yeah, but still.
But that gives you just some indication of just how much women
just weren't accepted.
It's an awful place.
Yeah, it doesn't sound like a great place, does it?
But we need more women in there to change things,
to make policy that's better for everybody, for women and children.
It's the same fucking guy again and again.
Yeah.
And it's been like that forever.
Exactly.
And it's not that we don't want Anglo really guys in there.
It's not that, educated white guys.
It's a large portion of the country.
Like nobody's saying that.
Yeah, exactly.
It's that we want a diverse cross-section.
And if you have, like all the research shows,
if you have equal men and women representation,
you get better outcomes.
Yeah.
In general.
That makes sense.
For everybody.
Anyway, there you go.
Let's wrap it up, Claire.
All right.
I did my rant, my political rant.
Have you got an audio email to listen to?
I certainly do.
While you're setting that up, I just need to remind people
that they can actually review this in-app.
They can just open up and go, oh, how many stars will I give this?
Maybe five would be a good amount of stars.
Maybe just think that to yourself.
It's so easy to do, just like Motionless in Walrus who says,
the best chats.
I've been listening since day one of the pod.
Wow, 100-plus episodes, I'd imagine,
and I've witnessed many funny moments, but I've never felt more understanding than when James was
yelling about couscous and everything going on around him at the time. I don't even remember
that, but it does sound like me. Honestly, I look forward to every episode and it's one of my first
recommendations for pods other than James' more successful pod, if you know what I mean. I do
know what you mean. Keep up the great work.
Thank you so much.
I've got a bunch of reviews coming in as well, which I really appreciate.
Keep them coming.
I'll bloody read them out.
I'll read them out.
Oh, amazing.
We really appreciate it.
I love it so much.
Thanks to you.
Helps us show out as well, yeah.
It totally does.
And while you're there, have a listen to my podcast, Tons.
Hey, great.
Probably linked below.
Yeah, linked below.
I have an interview this week with Zaynab Johnson.
If you love Coming to America, we do a deep dive into that
and it's bloody hilarious.
But she is just a great comedian in her own right.
And she's American.
If you're American, you might enjoy her.
I'm American.
You're American.
She's from Harlem in New York.
I'm from Harlem.
She's great.
Anyway, and that's linked below.
And if you want, sneak over and give me a review too
because I read reviews out on the show as well. I was going to say sneak over and give me a review too because I read reviews out on the show as well.
I was going to say sneak over and give me a kiss.
Give me a little kiss.
Well, I'll ask that of you later but maybe not now
because I was mean to you before.
You were so mean.
I'm so sorry.
What's up?
What do you got?
All right.
I have a voice memo.
You can send one of these to suggestforpotatomail.com
or a regular letter.
We read both out.
No snobbery here.
This one is – I'm in a silly mood.
No snobbery.
All right.
This one is from Justin.
Here we go.
What's up, Claire and Claire's husband, Josh?
That's right, Josh.
Jimmy?
Something like that.
My name is Justin.
I am from Connecticut, and today I wanted to suggest to you one of my absolutely favorite
things to watch with my three-year-old daughter.
We just got season two of this here in America on Disney+.
It's a show called Bluey.
It's about a family of four.
They're blue healers.
I think they're supposed to be Australian, but I don't want to just assume.
But it is one of the most witty, one of the most heartfelt and emotional shows without being too self-involved.
So if you haven't got a chance to watch it, definitely do.
I will actively be happy when my daughter picks that to watch
as opposed to like Peppa Pig or some just trash show.
I love Peppa Pig.
Thank you both so much.
I hope all of you are having a wonderful day who are listening
and have a great rest of your week.
We will.
Thank you so much.
We probably talked about it on this show.
It must have come off in passing.
Yeah.
But, yeah, it's terrific.
If you're looking for a kid's show that won't crush your soul.
Yeah, it's so good and I really want to live in their house.
Also, we should move to Brisbane.
They don't have any COVID up there.
They get in the Olympics, they found out today, in 11 years
and the weather is better.
Why the fuck would you want the Olympics?
What do you mean?
What's wrong with the Olympics?
It's a money sink.
It's just a black hole.
No, it's not.
Oh, my God.
You're ridiculous.
It's amazing.
It brings so much to a city.
It creates amazing infrastructure.
It has people and athletes from all over the world coming towards it.
You get your destination on the map for tourism.
It's amazing.
And also the Olympics, mate.
It's all about bringing countries together.
I'm just glad it's not here.
I'm just glad it's not in Melbourne.
God, you're such a bloody, I want to go.
You could go.
I have, I've got a dream of taking my kids when,
in 11 years when it's in Brisbane.
They're not going to want to go.
And going for a holiday.
They'll be teenagers who'll be like, oh, mum, we don't like,
we don't like going to the Olympics.
They'll take a free holiday to the Gold Coast.
We like VR or whatever kids are like then.
No, I have a dream about taking them because I just think it's so incredible
to have an Olympics in your own country.
What Olympic events would you like to see?
Oh, my gosh, I love so many.
I love the ice skating, not that that's in this particular Olympics
because that's Winter Olympics.
Great, so you've named something that's not there.
I love the diving.
I love the swimming.
I love the long distance, the running, the 100 metres running as well.
I like the high jump.
Do you know why I like the high jump?
Because it's short and there's like a little burst of adrenaline
every time the person does the little like high run.
I've got a quick question for you.
I love it.
There's skateboarding as well.
There is skateboarding.
I'm really excited about that.
But like long distance running wouldn't be fun though, would it?
Because it's like, oh, here they come and they're gone.
No, I love it watching it at the end.
There's always this like person who's just put their whole heart
and soul into all the training.
Oh, you want to be at the end.
Yeah, watch the end of it.
It's really amazing.
So you'd want to be at the finish line.
I want to be in the arena, you know.
And in Brisbane they're going to be doing the swimming
in like a stadium size arena, which like sounds really cool.
Isn't that where they always do them?
No, but it'll be like, it sounds to me to be more like an MCGS kind of vibe.
Wow.
I know.
It's so exciting.
What's really exciting about that is that they'll never use it again afterwards.
All right.
I always, I like the rowing as well.
Really into that.
I think that's really cool.
What else do I like?
You know what?
If you, if you love swimming, that's, then that's all they show
on Australian TV during the Olympics. It's like, here's the swimming and the swimming's over. It's
like, here's more swimming. It's like, can we see the basketball? No. Oh yeah. The basketball
on the netball. I'm really excited for that. And I'm excited for the tennis because Ash Barty
won the Wimbledon Open and that, oh my God, if you haven't watched that, that's actually the
replay of that is on Stan. I cried my eyes out.
That was an incredible story.
And it was a great match.
Oh, my God.
And her mentor, Yvonne Gulagong.
Won it 50 years ago.
Won it 50 years ago.
Yeah.
And they're both First Nations people and just, oh, my God,
it's so inspiring and she's just this incredibly beautiful person
and I just cried.
And I made you guys watch it.
You made me.
I wanted to watch it.
Yeah.
Well, actually, to be fair, it was like this match is on,
it's going down and this match is crazy and I saw it was on at like
midnight at night and I went, fuck it.
I watched the replay.
Yeah, exactly.
Anyway, it was really good.
Okay, that's the show.
I'm so glad.
I'm out of here.
I'm leaving.
I'm true to my word and I'm going to leave.
Finally.
But thank you again to everybody.
If you want to shoot us an email, suggestible pod.
If you want to give us a review, if you want to do an audio,
you just put it on your phone message.
What's the thing called, Claire?
You do it in app on your phone.
Voice memo app.
It's real easy.
And then you can just send it straight away on your phone
and that's how you do it.
And I promise next week I'll be kinder to you.
I don't believe you.
Will I?
We'll find out.
I won't eat a fistful of chocolate buttons before we record.
Yes, you will.
Don't make promises you can't keep.
All right, thanks, everybody.
Thanks for coming to the edit.
Bye, have a good week.
Bye.
Thanks, bye.
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