Suggestible - Oprah, Meghan and Harry

Episode Date: March 11, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey folks, it's Mark Maron from WTF. I travel all over North America doing stand-up and it's always good to know Airbnb is an option when I'm away from home. But if you're away from home, why not take your own place and Airbnb it? Airbnb your whole home to make some extra cash. Or if you have a spare room that's not in use, just Airbnb that. Whether you could use extra money to cover some bills or for something a little more fun, your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.ca slash host. Hello, Claire here. Just a heads up, this episode brings up some pretty heavy themes, particularly around suicide.
Starting point is 00:00:38 If you find this triggering at all, please contact Lifeline in Australia on 13 11 14. If you're in the UK, you can contact supportline.co.uk for lots of different places and also the nationalsuicidepreventionlifeline.org if you're in the USA and just the appropriate place for you if you are outside those areas. Big love to you today and on with the show. Bing bong, bing bong, bing bong. My goodness, welcome to Suggestible, the show where we go, we've watched a thing and now you have to listen to us talk about it. That is true. The dulcet tones of that man over there is James and I'm Claire and we
Starting point is 00:01:16 are married and we are saying hello to you. Hello. That's right. We're in a bit of a rush this week, so don't mind us, but we might just jump straight into the Suggesters. Yeah, enough of this dilly-dallying at the start. What about your newsletter, Claire? Do you want to quickly do that? Oh, yes. All right, so I have a newsletter.
Starting point is 00:01:30 It's called Taunts. Oh, my goodness. I know. That's what some of my friends call me. You can call me it too, Taunts. You can't because you're not friends with Claire. Anyway, it's a little piece of writing about what's been on my mind that week, also some bonus recommendations, a little bit more writing about what we talk about on the show.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Oh, my goodness. And I put in a whole lot of YouTube links and things and also one recipe a week just for you. Recipe? Correct. Sounds very French and exotic. Anyway, the link to subscribe, if you would so choose to, is in the show notes below.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Ba-ba-bam. Or on my Instagram, you can follow the link there too. I agree. I agree. I agree. I can't argue with any of that. Correct. At Claire20. That's it.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Enough self-promotion. Yes. Goodness, everyone's sick of it already. Let's promote some other things that people have done. Created by other people. Do you want to go first? Let's talk about that Oprah interview that we both watched. Ooh, all right.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Okay. So in case you were living under a rock deep in the earth, like some kind of hobbit who was living with golems for years. Sounds amazing. In the dark. Incredible. Oprah just interviewed Meghan and Harry, that's Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
Starting point is 00:02:36 That's Duchess. Yes, on CBS. Anyway, somehow through the magic of technology and ExpressVPN actually you managed to get me to watch it live. And I have to say, on one hand, as our dear friend Mason said to me, it's none of my business. I don't want to watch it because it's people's lives and it feels terrible. On the other hand, I kind of felt like it was my Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Yes, you did say that. See, I was bored and unsurprised by any of the revelations because I don't know if you know this about me, but I always thought the Royals were fucking awful and pointless. Always. And they always have been because they just acquired a bunch of land like 1200 years ago. And they're just like, we just have this money and we are somewhat in charge. I know less so now than they used to be. They wield all this power and influence for no other reason. The person in charge is just the next person who's born.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Yeah, that's fucking normal. That's totally fine. It's just one of the things that we all accept is just a thing that exists. I totally, I accept what you were saying. However, James, the outfits, the dresses. Fuck them. The goths. Fuck them all.
Starting point is 00:03:47 They shouldn't have any of that stuff. The, you know, the Commonwealth and trying to do good in the world. No, they ruin shit. They have spent a thousand years just ruining other countries. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And their own country and just stepping on people and stealing shit. They're fucking awful. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:04 However, I kind of do love the Queen though. Look, here's the thing. I love Queen Elizabeth. I don't even think the Queen's the problem. I think as mentioned in this interview. No, I think she's a very admirable, dedicated person. I agree in a lot of ways. In a role that she probably never wanted and wasn't necessarily suitable for.
Starting point is 00:04:19 It's an impossible position because it seems like a lot of the people that were at fault here are the people around the royals and are running things or whatever. It does seem like a system that a lot of them are just trapped in or don't even know that they're in. Exactly. Okay, so here is. Also, I just want to quickly say also, I know there's an element of like,
Starting point is 00:04:36 oh, boo-hoo, Meghan Markle, she's rich and he's a prince and whatever. Like, I know that. Putting that aside, it's still like a very awful situation that they were in. All right. Okay. Thank you for your rant. I'm not finished. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:04:51 I'll never be finished. Sorry, guys. All right. Okay. So there's a few things at play here. One, obviously, if you haven't watched the interview and you don't know anything about Meghan Markle and Prince Harry and what's happened, basically there was a huge political and media kind of frenzy
Starting point is 00:05:07 around them deciding to relocate to Canada first and then into the US and ostensibly Harry leaving the royal family. Yes. And so there's a long history here and obviously I also have loved The Crown and watched the most recent version of The Crown. It is not entirely accurate, obviously. They've taken a lot of artistic licence with that show. However, I do think it gives you quite a good insight.
Starting point is 00:05:31 As Harry said in a recent interview that he did with, is it James Gordon? James Gordon. Gordon Ramsay. No, what's his name? You know who I mean, Gordon. Flash Gordon. I never remember anyone's name. You know, and he does the cast karaoke and you don't particularly like him as a comedian. Gordon Lightfoot. Okay. James Gordon. I never remember anyone's name. You know, and he does the cast karaoke and you don't particularly like him
Starting point is 00:05:46 as a comedian. Gordon Lightfoot. Okay. James Corden. You always do this to me. James Corden. I was right. Well, almost right.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Anyway. Also, I don't not like James Corden. I'm completely indifferent to James Corden. I like him. Anyway. I want to watch that Into the Woods movie that he's in. Sorry, go on. I especially enjoyed him doing carpool karaoke with John McCartney.
Starting point is 00:06:06 John McCartney? Is he in any relation to John Lennon? All right. Sorry, go on. I'm having a bad week. I haven't had a lot of sleep. We've had a newborn. I'm not really good with names at the best of times.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I'll let James Corden slide, but John McCartney? Come on. It's a portmanteau of John Lennon and Paul McCartney. That's a fair point. And I've smooshed them together. That's a fair point. Anyway, they're living in the same space in my head. I've gone completely off topic here.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Anyway, as Prince Harry told James Corden, I don't even remember where I was going with this. About the crown I think you were talking about? Oh, yes, about the crown. And he said that even though it's not a particularly necessarily completely accurate depiction of what happened, it is a real look at what happens when your lives are being controlled in that kind of environment.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Sure. And you are kind of subject to media scrutiny. And the story of Princess Diana and his mother and what happened there and then the footage of them walking as two young boys, his brother as well, William, behind the coffin of their mother while just thousands and thousands of people are just watching them. Awful.
Starting point is 00:07:15 It's just horrendous. And so I know on one hand they have a huge, huge wealth and power and all of these things, but I think the flip side of that is that they're clearly also trapped within a particular system. Just let me finish. I'm not saying anything. Yeah, and I'm not saying like obviously in the world there are people
Starting point is 00:07:33 with incredibly difficult lives. Yes. So I'm not saying we should all just completely fall at the feet of the rules and say, oh, poor lives, poor you. But what I do find so fascinating and what I think makes it the Super Bowl for me is A, because obviously I love Oprah and it's been touted that this is Oprah's best interview she's ever done. Sure.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Which I think is really interesting. No member of the royal family has ever gone on record in the way Prince Harry has done and really tried to almost dismantle the whole system. And say that they're all, that was surprising when he was like, they're all trapped in it. Yeah, exactly. Not like I'm like, yeah, I know that, but for someone to actually say it. Yeah, there was just bombshell after bombshell that was dropped.
Starting point is 00:08:13 And for him to actually say it, there's rumours and all those things, but for him to actually come out and say that the royal family is beholden to the media and particularly in Britain because of the way that the tabloids work over there, they have to have host parties at the palace and they're frightened of them and so they have to keep them on side. And also the way he talked about the firm, which is what Diana talked about, compared to the actual royal family themselves and how the firm seems
Starting point is 00:08:39 to be almost like a corporation or an entity that runs the royal family. They've got HR. Yeah, apparently. Even the way he spoke about how they have to keep writing letters and emails to everyone, I think it's a real, another reason why I think this is so fascinating is that Meghan Markle getting married when they did get married in that big lavish ceremony, everybody loves a wedding and everybody loves to get on board
Starting point is 00:09:02 with the princess fairy tale, right? And particularly for women that is such a strong narrative that we've grown up with as kids and i know i can already hear people on facebook going oh here she goes again talking about women's well pop down it's my podcast i can say whatever i like don't have to listen if you don't want okay i'll keep talking now sorry um happy international women's day the way. Doesn't feel that happy at the moment. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts, an Uber account for your teen with always-on enhanced safety features. Your teen can request a ride when you can't take them.
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Starting point is 00:09:56 See app for details. Anyway. Yeah. So because of that narrative that I grew up with and so many girls grew up with watching Disney princess movies and that idea of a princess needing a prince to save her, wearing the beautiful dresses, everyone celebrates her getting married, that's the end of the story.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Yes. It happened for Diana. Everyone just watched her be, you know, completely surrounded by this whole media circus but celebrated. You know, her life would never be the same. She'd be plucked out of obscurity by this handsome prince. Handsome. Well, exactly, but that's the narrative, right?
Starting point is 00:10:31 I'm not saying any of this is true, but that's the narrative. And I think on a smaller scale in women's lives that can happen just with the brouhaha around weddings and how this idea that you're only going to be complete as a woman if you find your husband slash partner. They will save you. And this is all very heteronormative as well. Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:50 Anyway, so we all celebrated Meghan getting married and then to see how much the commentary turned in Britain and kind of uncovered not only like this really nasty streak of treating women particularly brutally. I mean, Prince Harry is beloved over there in the UK. I think it also depends on, A, race for one. Well, that's what I mean. There was that narrative of her being a woman in the press
Starting point is 00:11:16 and just the scrutiny that happens to women is just so insane. And she didn't exactly toe the line or perceived to be the way that Kate Middleton was seen as well. Yeah. Because you look at them, they're treated very differently. Correct. But a lot of the commentary around it and when you look at particular examples, and Oprah brought these up, I mean,
Starting point is 00:11:34 the fact that they both had avocado, one was being, you know, looking after her health. Megan was responsible for like all these terrible things, global problems with the avocado industry. You know, Megan cradles her baby bump and is seen as showing off or something and Kate is seen as, you know, cherishing and protecting her baby. So there's like completely stark examples but there's also an undercurrent
Starting point is 00:11:58 of racism that exists in the UK that I think has really been uncovered in this interview. And when Megan talks about how one of the royal family members questioned the darkness of her son's skin and what that would look like. What's that going to look like? I mean, I think that there is, and maybe I'm wrong. That's crazy, right? I know.
Starting point is 00:12:19 It's just, it's so devastating. So they need them. So devastating. They're inbred. They need a bit of diversity. Well, I think part of it, right, is that the Commonwealth, the majority of the Commonwealth are people of colour. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:12:31 So it's just like and I think that's also part of it. What's left of the Commonwealth. Yeah. I thought, you know, so that in itself and we're part of the Commonwealth. So I think that was one of the reasons why, A, watching Oprah at the top of her game interview two of arguably the most famous people in the world, Megan being very brave in the way she talked about her, the fact that she had suicidal thoughts as well. And I mean, that in
Starting point is 00:12:59 itself is frightening and speaks volumes about what it must be like to be trapped within the palace walls. Because it's not only the suicidal thoughts, which is not uncommon, as we know from people we know and people who write in and, you know. Exactly. But the fact that you can't, you couldn't do anything about it. You're just like I need to go to a hospital, I need to see somebody. You can't. You just can't.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Exactly. Like what is that? That's crazy. I know. I mean when she says that she just got her passport and her keys and her driver's license just taken when she enters the palace. Yeah. I mean the fact that you can't just call people without someone there
Starting point is 00:13:33 like from the firm it seemed listening to the conversation. I mean that in itself and then the fact that the media was just eviscerating her from every angle plus just being pregnant, just being a pregnant woman in the world. Can we stop for a minute? Being pregnant is brutal and hard. I mean I'm sure there are some women out there who just love it and cherish it and I'm not saying I'm not incredibly grateful
Starting point is 00:13:55 that I am able to have two beautiful kids. You seem ungrateful, Claire. No, but I just think it is such a vulnerable time for women for lots of different reasons. So imagine you're pregnant and you're getting that kind of scrutiny and the kind of undercurrent of racism. It's just. And she lost a baby as well.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Exactly. And she talked about that openly. And, look, I think obviously Megan is not a perfect person either. No, of course not. And I don't think anybody is. And obviously Harry isn't either because there have been things. No, exactly. I don't think anybody is. And obviously Harry isn't either because there have been things in his past.
Starting point is 00:14:23 No, exactly, and Harry's grown up in this enormous, you know, privilege and power in lots of ways. But I do think in the end, I just think it's a really fascinating watch. I also think the events that are going to unfold from here will be really interesting, the impact on the crown itself. I think they're going to double down, initially at least. I don't think they're going to double down, initially at least. I don't think they're going to. They can't perceive to have weaknesses.
Starting point is 00:14:47 I mean, they're shielding an alleged pedophile for some reason. I know. And the headlines were the worst crisis for the royal family in 85 years. I'm sorry. What about Prince Andrew? Yeah. And everything that came out about him. And also there's been previous crises like the time you got a princess killed
Starting point is 00:15:03 indirectly by the media. You remember that when that happened? Yeah. Well, not me. No, not you. But I'm saying like she wasn't protected in the same way that like and they mentioned this, at least Megan and Harry were together but Diana was on her own.
Starting point is 00:15:18 And I saw Glennon Doyle, who you know who I always talk about, tweeted this amazing thing. She just said Prince Harry was the husband that Diana needed. Yeah. And I thought what a powerful statement and so true because at least they had each other but Diana was completely on her own. Yeah. And I thought it was interesting the parallels between how well they did
Starting point is 00:15:36 when they came to Australia and they were beloved here. I mean she was very good at her job. Yeah. You know, and I think that in itself and there was jealousy at play, obviously, in some way. I mean, and I just have to say before we move on, my favourite Oprah moment was when she went, were you silent or were you silenced?
Starting point is 00:15:57 And I was like, yeah, girl. Great. Okay, I'm done. Anyway, I just think it's a really, you know, it's a very interesting interview. I shouldn't have clapped. I don't know why I did that. It was so loud.
Starting point is 00:16:10 I'm so sorry, Collins. You might need to take that out. That's fine. The way that I see it as well is I know people are like, well, they're rich and whatever and he was born into immense wealth and privilege and all of those things. And she was, I know she started as like a waitress and worked her way up and became, you know, a pretty successful actor before marrying into this family.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Not to mention an independent woman in her own right. Exactly, yeah. And I know she's also had obviously family troubles as well, which is constantly being brought up. Yeah, but she was also an advocate for women's rights. She's always been. Yeah, doing some incredible work. But the thing is as well, like, and all those things are true, but would you swap to be
Starting point is 00:16:43 in that family? Because I sure as fuck wouldn't. There is no way I wouldn't want to be anywhere near any of that. And I think that is the line that you walk right because on one hand it looks like immense wealth and privilege, true, but on the other hand, surrounded, trapped, your family members you don't seem to be able to trust, the media you don't trust, your own mother was killed by paparazzi,
Starting point is 00:17:14 you then have to watch your wife go through the same thing. Yeah. You have no autonomy or say over your own life. So, yeah, it's a really fine line to kind of balance those two ideas, isn't it? And then exactly, and I think a massive lesson in wealth and privilege does not necessarily a happy life make. No, exactly. Even the fact that they weren't willing to put like a detail,
Starting point is 00:17:34 like a. Protection. Like that doesn't even make any sense. I know. I don't even know. Security. Yeah, that's, I don't. Yeah, there's some interesting kind of insight around that
Starting point is 00:17:45 because their son Archie was never going to be a prince. It doesn't matter. And the security detail is kind of connected in – it's paid for by the public purse and there's a huge outcry at the moment in the UK about the spending of the royal family in general. I agree. But this is a – it's a child and you put, you make, you put a, maybe cancel one of the press functions that you hold or something and put money towards this. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:18:11 Yeah, I know. And I think that was, to me, seemed very heartbreaking for Prince Harry and for Megan. That's the priority. Yeah, I know. I know. And look, I'm sure as in all things, it's a lot more complicated than we can possibly grapple. Of course. But anyway, I think it's a really interesting watch. Let's move on. It's antiquated and inbred and they should abolish the whole thing. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:18:33 It's a ridiculous system. Okay. That's the final word from James. And obviously we're based in Australia. I'm sure if you live in the UK you have a much different perspective on this too. We appreciate you writing in. It's not anything against anybody in particular that I don't like.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Like you said, like I do have respect for the Queen, I do. But the fact that like you have to meet and like curtsy, it's like it's fucking weird. It's so weird. It's just like another person you have to curtsy in front of and say certain things. It's strange. It's so strange.
Starting point is 00:19:03 I know. Don't get me started on having to kiss the ring of the Catholic bishops. Oh, yeah. I had one of those guys wave one of those in front of my face. I'm like, what the fuck? No. So funny. Anyway, let's move on.
Starting point is 00:19:14 What's your recommendation? Okay, I've just got a quick one because I do have to make a break for the door. But I'm going to talk about my breakfast oats. I've brought in a recipe, Claire, if you don't mind. Oh, wow. This is what I've been doing. Okay, so here you go. Get 55 grams of rolled oats. Measure them out. Do you know what I mean? Measure them out. It's about 400 calories in this in total, just so you know. It's pretty light on calories, maybe even a bit less. Depends what you use. Anyway,
Starting point is 00:19:39 a splash of milk. It can be any milk. It can be your dairies. It can be your almonds. It can be your soys. I just use whatever we happen to have. Then submerge it in a little bit of water so they're soaked, right? You got that going on? Put it on the stove on a low heat. Let it all, you know, mix it up as it's in there. Give it a bloody stir so it kind of – what's the word, Claire, that it becomes? I guess all of the whatever is in the oats become creamy.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Yeah, that's good. You're creaming the oats. Yeah, exactly. It's important not to use any, like don't use any other oats with like your sugars and your whatever. Don't, and you know, you're baked or whatever. Everybody knows James is not on the sugar train. I'm not on the sugar train.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Sugar free since 93. I got off the station in 90, no, not in 93. I'm still back there every now and then. But so yeah, you cook it on the stove and when it's ready, it only takes a couple of minutes, take it off, put it into a bowl, half a tablespoon of natural peanut butter. None of that added sugar stuff. I've been sugar-free since 93.
Starting point is 00:20:34 So, you know, it's basically just nuts and oil. That's what you want. You know what I mean? Half a teaspoon of honey just for a little bit of sweetness, a little bit of flavor. Mix that through. Take about half a banana or 70 grams or whatever it says, but it's about half a banana.
Starting point is 00:20:47 It's fine. Don't even worry about it. Peel the banana. Peel the skin off the banana. Chop it into rounds. Put it on the top. Maybe a sprinkling of cinnamon if you're feeling it. Some people might add some coconut.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I'm not doing that at the moment. I don't need it, but that's up to you. And then go for it. It's great. It's filling. It's delicious. There's a lot going on. That sounds really good.
Starting point is 00:21:04 It's really good. Yum. I haven't had it, actually, and I don't normally eat the garbage food that you make because it always looks like cardboard. However, that sounds amazing. It's all natural, baby. All natural. And I really appreciate you bringing a recipe.
Starting point is 00:21:16 You're snapping it up. You're changing it up. I'm trying to. I love it. What else have you got? Ooh, all right. Okay, so I have got- You have four minutes before I have to run out the door.
Starting point is 00:21:24 All right, okay. So I have a book this week and I finished it. I know I recommended it to you as well. I have started this book, yes. It's a little controversial, this book. I didn't realise that until after I'd finished it and went to research it for the show. It's called American Dirt by Janine Cummins and it's set in Acapulco in Mexico. The story is around Lydia and Luca.
Starting point is 00:21:43 So and just spoiler alert, it opens with a very brutal massacre, basically. So this is quite a heavy book. So Lydia and Luca then have to go on the run because their family were all murdered by a cartel, including Lydia's husband. And so in the end, and there are a few spoilers in this, but I'll try not to ruin it too much. They have to head to El Norte, which is a freight train basically. And it's, it's called the infant, well, they're heading to El Norte to escape to America, basically from Mexico. And they ride the freight train called La Bestia. So this is, it's true that Central American migrants will try to get across to America via this train because it's a freight train, which means there are no passengers.
Starting point is 00:22:33 And so they ride on top of it and it's incredibly dangerous, but it allows them to skip through a lot of the checkpoints, particularly if they're fleeing a lot of the different cartels. So I had no idea. I'd heard obviously about cartels in Mexico, but I really did not quite understand exactly why so many people were fleeing to the border. Yeah. And so in reading this without actually looking in too much detail at Janine Cummins herself, I found it A, very gripping
Starting point is 00:23:01 and heart-wrenching. I thought they did a beautiful job of, or she did a beautiful job of explaining what the cartels are, their impact on Mexico. Lydia as a character is very relatable for me as a white woman. She runs a bookshop in Acapulco. Her son Luca is kind of like this geography genius kid and he's gorgeous too. So the characters they meet along the way, it's kind of like this geography genius kid and he's gorgeous too. So the characters they meet along the way, it's kind of like a ragtag group,
Starting point is 00:23:29 are also really fascinating and I think beautifully drawn. The writing is lovely too. Oprah chose it as one of her book club picks. So I think it does a really great job of building empathy around this issue and then when you start to layer it on top of that issue of families being separated at the border as well, it just kind of, for me, painted this big picture. Now, there is some criticism, one being that Janine Cummins has a Puerto Rican grandmother, but for quite a while,
Starting point is 00:23:59 she just hadn't let this fact be known. And so it was thought widely online that she was white and telling a story from a migrant perspective without having that lived experience. Okay, sure. And so there was criticism online for that. Obviously, I mean, it's hard for me to comment being a white woman from Australia. But go on.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Yeah, exactly. But here I go. Anyway, so the other criticisms were that it was ripped from the headlines approach to telling the migrant story in American voice for American readers. And so there's still a debate, obviously, about who can tell whose stories. Regardless, I still think that it's a beautiful book.
Starting point is 00:24:39 There's a lot of just incredibly intricate writing about the desert and about the kinds of cities that they see along the way and also the terrifying journey of being on La Bestia. I mean, having to, which is what migrants do, run beside the train and fling yourself up on it and the risk of not to mention dying on the train but also then being raped or being murdered or having your belongings stolen and just the idea of living in a state and a country, and this makes me sound quite naive, where you can't trust the police, you can't trust the government,
Starting point is 00:25:16 you can't trust anyone you meet, you're not sure if someone in authority is in the, you know, pay of the cartels and just the brutality of the murders that are happening over there. Yes. Yeah, anyway, I just, I really, I don't know if enjoyed is the right word. I was going to say because, like, I'm struggling because I'm like, this is pretty grim.
Starting point is 00:25:36 So I don't think I'll finish it, to be honest. Yeah. It's very brutal. I know because you've been, I've recommended you some books and other ones you loved, but this one, it's very grim. I don't think it's badly written. It's not. But, yeah, but it is that like, oh, this is grim.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Do I really need this? It does make you think about what you would do in that situation because it reminded me of stories I've heard of immigrants from Syria too. Yes. And how once you're living a regular suburban life and then the next second you're on the run fleeing with nothing but a close on your back. A lot of times like the perception is people like these are poor people living in squalor and poverty and whatever and then people are like,
Starting point is 00:26:13 why do they have an iPhone? It's like because they were living normal lives like you would and then all that was stripped away, you know what I mean? Not that it matters even if they were living in squalor. That doesn't mean that they're not entitled to refugee status, but there is this perception of like these people aren't like, you know, me. You or me or whatever.
Starting point is 00:26:30 And also that it couldn't happen to me. Yeah. And I think COVID, if nothing else, and plus the bushfires and all the things that have happened to us in the last couple of years have taught us all that absolutely it can happen to anyone and so we need to cherish life in the way that we have it and also try and give back where we can and all the things. Anyway, it made me think deeply and I kind of had terrible dreams after it. But anyway, I'm still recommending it as a really
Starting point is 00:26:59 important book to read. Okay. Well, I have to jump straight into the reviews and then you're going to have to wrap up the show because I've got to duck out the door. Alone. Alone. That's right. So if you do want to release the show, just let us take care of that because Collings does the edit, then he releases it. So don't even worry about that. All right. But if you want to review the show, you can do it in app. Okay. Annie Oakley, 96. Just do it in app. It's so easy. It helps a lot. It says a bright light in your day. My boyfriend, who was a huge fan of the Weekly Planet, got me into this incredible podcast. He recommended that I start from episode one and I have no regrets.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Claire and James are a true highlight of my day. The quick banter and infectious laughs keep me coming back for more. They genuinely make me feel like they're part of their family. Keep up the great work, Scott. Guys, just to clarify as well that nobody listening is part of our family except for some of our family members who do listen to this podcast. Including your brother. Thank you, Annie.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Hello, James' brother. I ran into him this morning and he was listening to us. Was he really? Yep. And I appreciate it. I wish everybody listened to me in real life, Mara. All right, I really got to go. All right.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Oh, no. Good luck. On my own. On your own. Pretending he's beside me. I'm not, though. I'm leaving. All alone.
Starting point is 00:28:04 You're all alone. Oh, bye. Bye. Oh, guys, though. I'm leaving. All alone. You're all alone. Oh, bye. Bye. Oh, guys, it's just me and you. Bye. Hello. Let's light a candle. Let's tell each other secrets.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Okay, is that weird? Yes, I'm now just talking to myself in a studio. Anyway, you can also email the show just like many of our friends have and Michelle has this week at suggestiblepod.gmail.com and we love to hear from you. This email is in relation to the story I was talking about with John Baptiste and we asked for someone who's living in New Orleans to email us in and she has.
Starting point is 00:28:35 So hello. I am a long-time listener and huge fan of the less successful podcast Weekly Planet. I appreciate you, Michelle. Suggestible has been a wonderful addition to my Aussie podcast lineup. Anyways, I'm going to quickly type this email and send it for a chicken out. And you didn't. I'm so proud of you, Michelle. I currently live in New Orleans, originally from California and couldn't help but email in when you asked. Music really is the life
Starting point is 00:28:58 blood of the city and culture. That's why I moved here. Street performance is huge because you make decent money from all the tourists. It would be very easy to find someone on the street who can sing and play the crap out of a tambourine. If the Sunday family ever ends up in Nola, I would love to show you around. I attached a couple of videos of cool New Orleans music stuff. She absolutely did. And it's really, really awesome. I'll get Collings to put in a little bit of the audio from that.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Cheers, Michelle. Thank you so much for writing in, Michelle. I would love to hear from you if you would like to write in. And that's it for this week. Yes, happy International Women's Day to all the women out there. Cool. Should I just finish the show by singing a little bit more of On My Own from Les Mis, one of my favourite musicals. On my own. No, I won't do that to you. But Collins will put in some cool New Orleans music.
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