Suggestible - Sweetness After Something Difficult

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

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That's true. It's different every week to keep you on your toes. Never good though. Yeah. Accurate. My name is Claire Toddy. James Clement is here also. What do we do, James, on this show?

We're like, hey, we watch this. Maybe you should watch it. And then judging by whether or not you think our opinions are valid or whether that show or book or whatever it is sounds good, then you might go and do that. Or you just go, oh, yeah, that's all I need to know about that. Do you ever just watch a review of something and go, oh, yeah, I get it? That's literally what I do a lot.

Okay, great. A lot. I think I enjoy just hearing people talk about Biggest Ball and I actually watch them anymore. I think you enjoy looking at houses that we won't buy because we have a house. I know. It's very strange. It's my downtime. I don't like reality television.

There's a lot of things I don't like. Clearly Minions is on the list from last week. Dear God. God damn it. Terrible. We'll get to some letters at the end of the show. I'm sorry, everyone. A circuit in my brain exploded.

I think people had some inspiration to send some emails to you about your opinion. I liked that portmanteau you made there. Thank you. Yes, but the realestate.com thing is like a real – it's not an ad, by the way. I just – I feel like it's like – It's not? It's not an ad by the way. I just, I feel like it's like. It's not?

It's not for the website. I just, there's something about refreshing it and little houses pop up and then I'm like, oh, we could live in this location by the coast. We could live up in the mountains in this lovely shack. I don't know. It's ridiculous. I don't know why I love it. I can't explain.

But people love lots of dumb things. You love lots of dumb things. Speaking of dumb things, you want to recommend something? I've got a dumb thing to recommend. That I really probably won't like. I can't explain. But people love lots of dumb things. You love lots of dumb things. Speaking of dumb things, do you want to recommend something? I've got a dumb thing to recommend. That I really probably won't like. You might like this. Maybe. I don't know.

Okay. So there's a show on Apple+. There's only been two episodes as of so far. It's called Black Bird. Two words. Right. Can I just say, I know you're probably already going to say this, Apple Plus sometimes does have some real excellent stuff.

Well, I think we said this every time there's an Apple Plus show that I recommend, and I recommend probably one a week. I've actually got two this week that are Apple Plus. Both things are Apple Plus. Just many. Hashtag also not sponsored. That's true. But they did get me because I got a new phone, and then you get a year's subscription.

And I'm like, this is going forever, this subscription that I got. Wow. And then I looked at it and it was like three years ago that it's just been taking money from me. But I don't mind. It's good. Anyways, and it's easier than pirating. So this is the story, Claire, of a convicted, a true story, sorry,

of a convicted drug dealer by the name of Jimmy Keen who was offered his freedom in exchange for coaxing a confession at a suspected serial killer, Larry Hall, and finding where his victims are buried. Good God. Now this stars Taron Egerton. Do you know him? Yeah, Joel Egerton's little lone brother.

No, or Egerton, is it? He's Eddie the Eagle. Oh, yes, he's great. I totally made that up about Joel Egerton. I'm very sorry. Joel Egerton does have a brother. He's called Nash Egerton. He's a stuntman slash director.

You've told me this and he's kind of cooler almost. Well, he did that show Mr. Inbetween. He's like the creator of that or co-creator of Mr. Inbetween. Yes, yes, yes. Which is an amazing show that I've talked about before. It's very good. People should check it out. Starring Scott Ryan.

It's incredible. One of the best shows I've watched in recent years. It's so incredible. This old Jimmy over here is yelling about it. And it's Australian as well. Australian. Yeah. Down under, mate.

G'day. There's two Australian shows I love. Three, actually. The Comedy Company, Rove Live, Mr. Inbetween. The Three Cornerstones, The Pyramid, The Trifecta. What about Burke's Backyard? Yeah, look, Don Burke, notoriously awful human being. Yeah, terrible.

Got cancelled for very good reasons. He was retired for like 20 years. Yeah, so he got cancelled 20 years later. It didn't really affect him. You know what's weird? Horribly. Horrible. What we used to do in Australia as children on Friday nights,

we'd sit down with our parents and we'd watch a gardening show called Burke's Backyard starring Don Burke, who was like a bearded kind of, you know, flannel-wearing gentleman who'd walk around a backyard and be like, this is a great pergola or whatever the fuck people do on those shows. And it was just on for like decades. And even at the time, like everybody knew he sucked. Everyone's like, yeah, he seems really nice on the show,

but isn't he terrible? Everybody I know who's ever known anything about him says he's terrible. And then like 20 years later, like all this stuff came out about him, but he did an interview. He's just like, yeah, I am terrible. What of it? I'm terrible. I'm Don Burke.

Oh, God. He's just awful. Like horrible to everyone. And is there also sexual allegations against him? I believe so, yeah. I don't know the specifics. No, I don't know either. But yeah, I believe so.

And as everyone knows, I love a gardening show. And I loved that show. I loved it too. It was the only thing on. It's so jolly and friendly. I know. It was that or I would be watching the reruns of MASH and then The Bill. Yep, same.

That was basically. And then Ballet Kiss Angel. We had the same childhood. Second season of Ballet Kiss Angel had Colin Farrell, a very young Colin Farrell in it. Really? It did, yeah. Oh, that was my first stirrings of something Valak Isayil.

My best it was, Claire. Yes. Was it the priest? A little bit of a priestly chemistry there. I don't know. I loved that show though. Goodness. And I also really liked Keeping Up Appearances.

Fuck Keeping Up Appearances. I hate that show. It's my sister, Marlon. The worst show on television. I loved it. My bouquet, Mrs. Bouquet. Anyway, I'm going to be terrible. Anyway, Claire.

Let's go back to the. Darren Edgerton, who's great, who might be the new Wolverine. Can you explain the story again to me? He's a serial killer. No, no, he was a drug dealer, convicted, offers his freedom in exchange for getting a confession out of a suspected serial killer. Or a confection.

Or a confection. A slight Mars bar. He has to get a Mars bar out of a vending machine, but he doesn't have any coins. He's got to tilt it a certain way and leave it in a fallout. It also stars Paul Walter Hauser, who people might know also from the new Karate Kid show, Cobra Kai, Sepideh Moafi, Ray Liotta, recently deceased, from Goodfellas,

a very famous actor, and Greg Kinnear, who you would know from. He was actually, Greg Kinnear was in the American version of Rake. Yes, I remember seeing that. I didn't watch it. Apparently it wasn't great, but I like Greg Kinnear, who you would know from. He was actually, Greg Kinnear was in the American version of Rake. Yes. I remember seeing that. I didn't watch it. Apparently it wasn't great, but I like Greg Kinnear. The Australian version is actually really good. Yeah.

It got a bit wacky at the end. Yeah, I stopped watching it. There was an extra season after I thought it finished, and then I was watching it, and then I just, he got into Parliament. It's fine. It's fine. It got a bit too ludicrous. I mean, the whole thing is quite ludicrous,

but there was a thing with a hot air balloon. His friend Barney got taken off in a hot air balloon. That was him. Hanging upside down. Oh, he was. Yeah, it just started to annoy me. But I really liked how dark his character was and very sarcastic and funny. That's right.

That's probably why I'm married to you. Maybe. That's probably why. You're a real rake. Because of the TV show Rake. That's right. Much smarter than me. Anyways, so this guy, Jimmy Kane, he's living the high life, right?

He's got his good mates. He's got a big screen 90s television because it's set in like the mid-90s and he was like a former college kind of football guy. He's very fit and healthy and the women love him and he's just like he's always got a cool sweater on and he's doing a big drug deal or whatever, you know? He's having a good time with his big 90s TV and high life. Anyway and he's doing a big drug deal or whatever. You know? He's having a good time with his big 90s TV and high life. Anyway, he's busted.

The cops come in. He's got a bunch of, like, drugs, obviously, because he's a drug dealer, a bunch of illegal weapons. So they say to him, listen, if you take this deal, you'll get five years in prison, right? Just take the deal. The judge will go lenient on you. But it turns out that it's some kind of elaborate kind of trick to to make him have an even longer sentence and it's actually a 10-year sentence that he ends up having to serve so he's there he's there for about a year or so and he's to

kind of keeping his head down and he's like got a little hustle we're like running on the side in the business but you know he's in prison it's like an okay prison as far as prisons go so at the same time there was this uh there's a series of women who were murdered in a, I can't remember which States it is in America. And they suspect it's this guy who's always talking about how, when they pull him up, he like, he has dreams of killing people or whatever, but he doesn't know what's real or whatever. And it's like, is this bullshit? Or is he just trying to brag without admitting that he did this particular thing? So this guy's about to get out of jail. And so to keep him in there because he would just start murdering again,

they send in Taron Egerton's character who's a very charismatic kind of figure to coax this confession out of him. And you can't approach him straight away and be like, I love murdering women. Do you love murdering women? Like he has to kind of. Isn't that how all guys talk? That's how we talk. That's a secret handshake. You're like, do you love murdering women? Like he has to kind of. Isn't that how all guys talk? That's how we talk.

That's a secret handshake. You're like, do you love murdering women? You don't? Good, me neither. Shit, no joke. It's not a funny story. No, I know. It's terrible.

And so he's got a, and the other guy's like a weird kind of kook and he does like a Civil War kind of reenactments and he's got like big mutton chops. And so he's like the opposite of what Taron Egerton is and he's got to kind of like buddy up to this guy without the guy suspecting like why would this super cool, handsome Taron Egerton looking fellow like be looking out for me. What are mutton chops?

Big sideburns. No, no, I know. But does your beard normally grow that high on your face and you just sort of shave it down? Like people's beards come up like up here. Some's like quite high on the cheek. It's an audio medium, but James is pointing to just below his sunken eyeballs. Yeah, yeah, my sunken eyeballs. It's true.

Yeah, it's like but it can't connect because then that's a beard. I know. I know. Yes, I get you. But I guess my question was could you grow mutton chops? Could I? Yes. No, mine would probably be too like probably gone.

I could grow like what are these? Like a half beard. Down to here, yeah. All all right i could grow some pretty decent sideburns but my beard is so like patchy and white and gray it'd look weird i think if i had big sideburns yeah correct i have to wait till i'm all white and then i grow in my big white sideburns or i die my sideburns that's a decision i have to make for another day so So, yeah, basically the deal is if he can get a confession out of this guy, he walks free. Right. Yeah. I see. This sounds really interesting.

I mean, it's only been two. Is it how many? I'll say how many episodes? Probably like eight or ten in total. I think it's ten. Interesting. But I can't remember off the top of my head. It sounds to me like one of those shows where the first season's

really good and then it doesn't have anywhere to go. Apple does this thing where it won't necessarily do a second season of a thing, especially I feel like this story, and I haven't looked into the real story at all. It's like one of those based on a true story, so who knows how much of it is actually real, where I think there might be another season but it would be another character or set of characters or they just leave it.

Yeah, they'll do one-offs, which I like a lot. I do too because there's nothing worse than a whole complete story that's, well, there's lots of worse things. But, you know, when the story's completed and then they stretch it out for a second season when all the tension's already gone. Yeah. So then they have to add in more tension. Killing Eve maybe.

Yes. I don't know. I haven't seen Killing Eve. Killing Eve, the first couple of seasons were great, but then when Phoebe Waller-Bridge leaves the writing team, you can tell. But I haven't watched the most recent season. Because she goes, goodbye, everybody, and she walks like through the set.

I'm leaving now. I had a great time, but I'm going to be famous. I'm going to do Fleabag. Famous Phoebe singing so long, farewell, I'll be the same as you. I'm off to get a Golden Globe or something. I'm going to be in a Star Wars film. Yeah. Yeah, was she a robot?

Yeah, it's not a good movie. No, but she's cool enough. No, I don't think it's good. I don't like that movie. Yeah, she must be due to do a thing. She wrote on the Bond. She wrote the Bond script. Oh, the new one.

She contributed to it at least. I don't know how much of that she actually did. She's also, she was doing a version of Mr. and Mrs. Smith, you know, the Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie. They're making a TV show with that. And it was her and Donald Glover. And I think they were both writing on it.

But I think she left. I think that could have been really good because they were both in that. Oh, and they're so good, the two of those guys. I feel like those two together would be a great dinner party. I agree. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, though, it's not a great movie. No, it's not. Isn't that famously where they fell in love, Brad Pitt and the Jolly?

My recommendation has a bit of a pit in it. Oh, okay. Not a giant pit that I want to jump in, like a handsome man who's aged. Can I talk now or are you still talking? Yeah, no, that's fine. I'm just checking if the role has been recast. That's a shame. Oh, it's got Maya Erskine though.

She's really good. You know her. She's from like Pen15. Yeah, she is great. And that's Mr and Mrs Smith. Yeah. All right. Maybe it'll be good.

Anyways. All right, thank you. What was the name of the show you recommended? It's called Black Space Bird. And it's on Apple. Anyways, anyways. All right, thank you. What was the name of the show you recommended? It's called Black Space Bird. And it's on Apple. It's full stop. It's on Apple TV Television Plus. Excellente.

All you've got to do is buy a new phone or an Apple device, sign up for your account for free for one year, and then forget that you've signed up and then it takes more money from you. That is 1,000% it, isn't it? But then also have a business which is built around basically reviewing media and then you can write it off on text. It's as simple as that. Did the business come first or did you see a need for you

to have all the subscription services ever and charge it on tax? I would be, I'd definitely be more picky if I didn't have to. Me too. Yeah, I would, there was a few, I'd be like constantly like cancelling and re-upping different ones. Ah, you'd be more sneaky. Or I'd probably just pirate a bunch of stuff realistically. Don't say that on the airways.

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It's my turn. Let's do it. Now, controversially, I'm going to talk about a thing you've already talked about, but then you said that pre-sent already because you recommended a poem that I'd already recommended. Oh, my God, yeah. So I feel like I'm just fine in being able to do this. I am talking about The Lost City, the 2022 film starring one Sandra Bullock

and one Channing Tatum. Channing's Tatum. The Tate, as I like to call him. As delicious as potatoes and as versatile. Yes. That's a really nice and unique compliment, I feel. Good. I think so too, right?

Everyone loves potatoes. They're delicious. I mean, and Channing Tatum can also dance. Yeah. As he does in this movie, which I really appreciate. He does a bit of dancing. Does a little bit of dancing. Here's a question for you in this movie that I've already talked about.

Correct. Is he better with or without the wig? Oh, without. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. What are you even saying? That's what I thought, Claire. Okay.

So as you've already discussed this film, I am just going to quickly do a little recap. Is that all right? Because it was a little while ago for anyone who hasn't seen it. So The Lost City is a 2022 American action-adventure comedy film directed by the Nee Brothers who co-wrote the screenplay with Oren Uziel and Dana Fox from a story conceived by Seth Gordon. It stars Sandra Bullock, as mentioned, and the Tate.

Dana Fox? Yeah. Really? That would be it. And Channing Tatum as a romance novelist. Not Channing Tatum. Sandra Bullock is a romance novelist and Channing Tatum is the cover model. Now, Sandra Bullock's character must escape a billionaire played by Daniel Radcliffe

and find the lost ancient city described in one of her books. The film co-stars Divine Joy Randolph with cameo appearances from Brad Pitt and Stephen Lang. Now Divine Joy Randolph plays Sandra Bullock's manager or literary agent, I guess, and she's hilarious in this as well. Brad Pitt is so good. He's funny. He's so funny. He's only in it for a short time but he's so funny

and there's like really great chemistry and he's very handsome in this. Sometimes he's started to look a little bit odd. Well, yeah. He's very handsome. He's pretty old. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I just loved so many things about this movie,

one of which is just the comic timing of Sandra Bullock in particular. Like Channing Tatum plays this kind of airhead sort of, you know, cover model of her racy romance novels. Yeah. And she's obviously a very serious academic who's fallen into writing romance novels to get people to read about her love of history. And then she basically, her partner's died and so she becomes really sort of bitter and cynical and hates her job basically.

Totally. But I just, I loved her physical comedy. Oh, she's so great. She's so good. What did you think of her sequiny outfit? Oh, loved that. I loved that for so many reasons. Oh, my gosh, so many reasons.

She wears this bright hot pink sequin outfit, like bodysuit. My favourite thing actually, one of my favourite things, is just her trying to get on a stool. Yeah, exactly the start, yeah. It's at the very start. I don't know why, but it made me laugh so much. Just the way she's standing and then she keeps trying to get on this stool and it's like giving her a wedgie and she hates it and it's great.

Yeah, it looks really uncomfortable. It looks awful. And it would be awful if you're so scratchy and terrible. It's such a fun thing to put in a movie because it keeps, like, coming back, you know. It's like a – I saw behind the scenes things about it as well. It's like its own character, you know, like it plays such a pivotal role in an annoying way like the entire movie.

Yeah, in so many ways, right? Like there's sequence in the river when they're being hunted through the jungle and, you know, it gets ripped and used as a distraction at one point. And it's also a callback. So all the way through the comedy is kind of used too. Yes. And even in I think one of the final scenes she apologises

to her manager about the ruining it. Yeah. And it's just, yeah, you're right. It is a character in its own right. I think it's wonderful. And Channing Tatum obviously his comedy is great too. He's great. He's really good.

I mean he's so handsome. He's been really funny for a long time. But he's very, very funny. He's great. He's really good. I mean, he's so handsome. But he's very, very funny. He's very handsome. He really is. What's your favourite G.I. Joe movie that he's in? Haven't seen any of them.

Yeah, but if you had to pick one, the first one or the second one? I would say the fourth one. No, no, first one or second one. Well, the fourth one is the movie Snake Eyes. It was the animated movie in the 80s. There was G.I. Joe. There was G.I. Joe, the movie. Which is the one where he takes his shirt off. I don't think any of them.

Oh, maybe the second but first live action one. Maybe the first one I'll go with. The first live action one. Yeah, that's actually the one that he's in the most because he actually, he was written out of the second one. He's only in it for like 15 minutes. Oh, this is so interesting. Yeah.

Can I talk about my thing now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dear God. All right. So that was one of the things I loved. I loved the chemistry between Sandra and Channing. I thought they just, yeah, yeah. Dear God. All right, so that was one of the things I loved. I loved the chemistry between Sandra and Channing. I thought they just, it was awesome.

As previously discussed, I loved the fact that she's in her 50s now and he's sort of 20 years younger than her almost and I just love the fact that she's got ostensibly one of the most handsome, you know, actors in the world in her film because I guess she is able to now. She's got that kind of stage. Absolutely, yeah. And it kind of flips that script. I also like that there were really light-hearted moments but then also some deeper moments too that I thought were quite touching.

But it's just one of those good old-fashioned adventure comedy romps with a bit of romance thrown in with great good special effects and like fun story. It's a movie that kind of don't really make those kind of like. It's like The Mummy, right? It reminds me of The Mummy. Yeah, it's got a bit of that like romancing the stone, you know, a bit of Indiana Jones, a bit of like George of the Jungle.

It's like that kind of. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I just, I really got taken away with it. I feel like it's quite a family friendly movie too. Brad Pitt does get. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, maybe it. I feel like it's quite a family-friendly movie too. Brad Pitt does get. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, maybe not. Maybe more like teenagers.

It's definitely a movie you could watch as a teenager and everyone would enjoy it. But I liked the whole thing. One of my other favourite moments is that little scene between Brad Pitt and Sandra Bullock and she's like, why are you so handsome? He's like, I'm just here to save you. You guys, what is it?

My father was a weatherman or something? Oh, yeah. And she's like, oh. And they've got this real chemistry. It's like this moment where he's trying to like untie her from a chair or something and they're just like quoting Latin back to each other. I just, yeah, it's just a really great little moment. Have they been in a thing together?

Probably have over the years. I'm sure they probably have. You got the feeling like, and I don't know if this is true, you got the feeling like her and Brad Pitt have known each other because they've been famous at the same kind of echelon for so many years that you got the feeling like they're friends. I just kind of got that vibe. Or at least they know each other.

I'm sure they would, yeah. You know, because, yeah, there's not that many people in the world who would be as famous as either of them. They're in the upcoming movie Bullet Train, which is a Brad Pitt action movie set on a bullet train. Oh, there you go. I don't know if she's in it that much, but they're both in Oceans movies. Yeah, that is very true.

They're not in the same Oceans movies. Yeah, you just get the feeling like them and also maybe George Clooney and Julia Roberts. I love imagining the lives of celebrities and thinking about how they're all friends. It makes me happy. It makes me happy. It makes me happy. God, I hope they just catch up. You know what movie I'm really looking forward to seeing, which will probably be terrible?

There's a movie coming out with Julia Roberts and George Clooney, and it's kind of like a rom-com kind of vibe. Is it? They meet on a plane, and I think they were divorced many years ago, but they share kids or at least a daughter, and she's getting married and they're trying to stop the wedding. And it just looks like one of those really classic cheesy movies that could be terrible.

Tickets to Paradise. I haven't seen this at all. I saw a trailer for it. And it could either be a really lovely, fun rom-com that I will love or it could be terrible. But either way, I just really like that chemistry. A good cast as well. Yeah, right.

Really good cast. It's got Billy Lord and Caitlin Dever. Yeah, right. Really good cast. And Caitlin Dever. Yeah, so I'm looking forward to watching that. Cool. Yeah, that's all I really wanted to say about this, I guess, just that it's done really well at the box office too, The Lost City, right? And I hope they make another one.

Do you think they would or is it more a one-off? Yeah, they might. I mean it feels like it could be that kind of movie but, you know, it's kind of like it'd have to be. It is a kind of complete story. It's also like they find a lost city but it's not like they go in there and then there's like a dragon comes out or like there's a big trap. It's not like that kind of movie.

No, it's got like a really beautiful, I think that's what I liked, and Sandra Bullock does this so well. There's moments in it she's lost her husband and you really do feel the grief of that character even though he's not in it at all. You sort of get a sense of what they built together as a couple and how she's been untethered ever since. Yeah. And that's kind of beautiful.

And I also love there's a Latin phrase, I can't remember what it was, where at the end of something. Ashante. Isn't that Latin? Latin, yeah. Yeah, it's Latin. You're right. You're a genius.

It's astounding. I know. You know where she's like the sweetness after something difficult, that kind of phrase? Well said. Anyway. The sweetness after something difficult. I really butchered it.

Anyway, it's just a phrase that her and her husband would say after they've got through a particularly hard, you know, project or something and it's kind of that feeling of looking back on it and being like, wow, this is a real joy. I don't know. I just feel like a lot of adult life and parenting and marriage is that getting through some really hard things and then pausing for a moment and being like, hi, yeah, okay, cool.

Things are okay. This is cool. It was like when we bought a house. Do you remember when we've already talked about this moment before on the show? When we bought our house and it felt like a thing that we would never be able to do and we did and then we sat on our back porch. Yeah, we're the best people who ever lived. After the kids went to bed.

No, but we just sat there and just felt like really proud. I remember that in between sleeplessness. Absolutely. And all the things. All right, so that's it, The Lost City. You can find it on, where is it? Is it on the street? It's on everything now. It's on the street and everywhere. Yeah, it's definitely worth purchasing if you can to watch it.

It would definitely be a fun thing to watch on a Saturday night if you're staying at home. Or Friday. Finish up your Burke's Backyard and go straight into this. It's just a real fun night though. Like I do think it'd be. Well, I did tell you to watch it like three months ago. So I'm glad you finally got around to it.

I know. And I very much appreciate it. Great. Excellent. There's a show. I just want to quickly recommend this, Claire, because I haven't talked about it before. Also on Apple Plus.

It's called For All Mankind. Ooh, you have talked about this before. Exploring the possibilities that might exist if the global space race had continued and where humanity would be now. So the first season, it starts with the Russians land on the moon first. And that triggers a different kind of space race because the Americans are now on the back foot. So it becomes this, it's basically, you know, what's happening now except what things happened. What has happened? Things that were but better.

Technology advances further, like clean energy advances further. There's a lot of things about this universe and I'm like, this seems much or at least slightly better than what we're doing now. So the first series was set in the 60s, the late 60s, and then I think it jumped to the 80s and now the third season is in the 90s and now it's about the race to Mars. And this time around so it's the Russians and the Americans and they're also going up against like a privatised space company

like a SpaceX, like an Elon Musk kind of organisation. So they're all now trying to get to Mars to, you know, that's the next step forward in human colonisation and advancement in technology, et cetera, and so forth. No, it's really good, Claire. No, no, I'm not about that. I'm annoyed about I just want them to leave Mars alone. Why?

Can you just leave space alone? They've just destroyed our planet. I'm talking about the billionaires. No, no, we need space though, unfortunately, Claire. At advanced technology it means there's more like they develop like clean fuel, things like that. Did you see the thing this week where they're like they think they've solved global warming or something about like a giant balloon

to put into space to block the sun's radiation? I'm like that sounds like a bad idea. Can't they just stop polluting and come up with better solutions and care for the planet we actually have? I saw someone who put in a comment that was like in Futurama when the earth warms up, what they decide to do instead of tackling emissions is just get a really big ice cube and put it in the ocean and then it cools it down

and it's like the problem has been solved for now. Oh, my gosh. It's so infuriating. I just feel like all those brains that are sending things into space, couldn't they just focus on getting, like I said, my solution, getting all the rubbish in the world and sending it on a big rocket. Well, then how are you going to do that if you don't have a space program?

And the other thing is, yeah, I agree with you because I think a lot of like private organisations and terrible companies, and this includes like everything from like law firms and finance and tech and all these things. They suck up all the brightest minds with incentives of money and then so they pour into like app design that will trick a child into spending their parents' money or whatever. Yeah, incredibly depressing.

Anyway, let's get back to your fictional universe. No, no, that's pretty much it because I've talked about it before. It's really great. It's happening week to week. It's got an excellent cast and they're always kind of cycling people in and out because it does take over the span of like 20, 30 years and whatever. It's like got excellent production values as well.

It's just a – I was going to say it's like been quietly excellent for a while. Like people are like kind of aware of it but if you've heard of it and you're like, I should watch that, you should watch it. It's really a – I was going to say it's like been quietly excellent for a while. Like people are like kind of aware of it but if you've heard of it and you're like, I should watch that, you should watch it. It's really good. Okay, excellent. That would be good. All right.

My second recommendation is an Instagram account and a company actually. So it's called Good Bloat Co. Oh, yeah, I follow this. Yeah, you already follow them on Instagram. It's basically run by their founder, Mike Dyson, and he was originally in Chinese medicine I think as well, but he's had a lot of time talking and presenting and running workshops specifically for men and talking about masculinity.

So he runs camps and retreats by skilled and enthusiastic facilitators with a wide range of talents. They come from diverse backgrounds and have diverse perspectives and their common belief is that men need spaces to explore how to be happier and healthier for their own sake, for their mate's sake, and for their boy's sake, and for the sake of women and girls who feel the brunt when men go off the rails. So it's really having a different kind of conversation about

masculinity, which I think is really needed. And he has lots of kind of promotions about the camps that he runs for mothers and sons, so teenage boys and for fathers and sons as well. And they just look so beautiful and welcoming and really important, I think. And he sets up really wonderful kind of, I guess, sort of games and discussions and ways of getting boys to open up in a different kind of setting. Outside there's a lot of kind of nature walks and, you know, games on the beach and just I think maybe some of this ritual that used to be around and particularly in our First Nations cultures too of rites of passage

and talking to boys about boyhood and manhood and what it means to be a good man, I think some of that's been lost and so he's on a real mission to try and change that. And one of the reasons I brought him up specifically is he had this beautiful video that I saw this morning actually. Oh, okay. That was about fatherhood. And he just gives like a little chat to fathers about how so many

of the men that he talks to and sees feel isolated and exhausted and run down. And he said that if that's you, you shouldn't feel like you need to do that alone and that actually reaching out to the other dads and I know you're going to be like, other dads. No, it's true unfortunately. But other dads in your community, in your street, at your kid's school might also be feeling the same

and that you don't actually have to go through it alone and that your wife doesn't have to be your only person that understands you and gets it. Yeah. Because I want to talk to you about this because I have noticed a pattern with older men in our lives that I know where they seem to lose more and more friends. Because they're all dying. Yeah.

Or not even just that, but they just seem to like isolate themselves a bit. Yeah. Whereas women, I don't, and this is such a generalization, but from my observation, women tend to have more complex social networks. And sometimes I feel like guys can be a bit isolated. No, I think that's completely true. I think guys, not always, but, you know, they kind of latch onto the friends that they've got, they've had like initially

and then they don't really kind of make other friends and those friends kind of fall away, you know, over the years. That's not strictly true and that's not strictly a guy thing. But, yeah, no, I think it is that. I do think it is the case. Men kind of have trouble kind of reaching out to other men and being like, hey, do you want to hang out together? Is that cool?

Yeah. Or is that weird to be like, I like spending time with you? I also noticed and I don't, I'm wondering if you would agree with this, that there's often this idea that you can maybe say, would you like to catch up for a beer? But if you said, do you want to go for a walk or get a coffee or go and do an activity? Yeah, it's not as strange. Yeah. I mean, I think that's fine, but yeah, it is a stranger kind of, it's not actually strange. It's a very normal thing to do, especially if it's somebody like you don't know as well

or don't see as often. Like if it's somebody you know and you're just like, hey, do you want to get a coffee or whatever, do you want to go for a walk or a run, then that's fine. Yeah. It feels more fine. All of these things are fine. I'm not trying to be like, no, don't do that.

Maybe it's just not as done as often. Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean, it's the same with a lot of other cultures. But Australia is like it's a big drinking culture, you know, and it's acceptable to be like you go to the pub and you're like, my wife, she sucks. Is that what you guys talk about there? Do you want to murder women?

But I think that's a really interesting conversation to be had there, right? Because what I've noticed in our community, we've got all these incredible parents around us and the mums have kind of got all these big social groups and WhatsApp groups kind of established and we're going and doing things and catching up. And sometimes it's wines, but it's not always that. It's lots of other things too. And I've noticed some of the dads are, you know, might be interested in that kind of thing, but they don't really have that in the same way. Yeah. You know, and I do think that there's something about having a support network

of people who are going through the similar kind of things as you. And for masculinity, I wonder if that's even more important to stop those old patterns of ways of being where, you know, men think that they have to just kind of suppress everything and be strong all the time and never be able to kind of open up and, you know, show their vulnerability and process their emotions. Because the other video he did, which I thought was really good too, was about how if you didn't have a good father figure or you had an absent father, stop blaming yourself when you don't get it right. Yeah, I've seen that one.

When you act out at your family or when you say the wrong things and you explode and get really angry. He's like, it's not your fault. You haven't had that support network. So it's about reaching out and finding other ways of being in the world and actually, you know, trying to find people to help you kind of through that or model some of that, which I guess is what the conversation he's having over there is. It just reminded me too of how when teenage boys get to be teenage boys,

the narrative often is, and I've spoken to other mums even, you know, about this where their sons almost break up with them and they stop talking to their mum and that breaks my heart. And I'm not under any illusion that he's going to be 14 and be like, my mum's the coolest. But I do want to keep that window and conversation open with him and that relationship open. And I wanted to ask you actually because obviously Mike had some great ideas over at Good Bloat Co, but what's your perspective on that?

I mean, the thing is as well, like I don't have any teenagers yet, so I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense. Yeah. So I think it is just about like finding activities to do together, things that, you know, that where you're both in a comfortable space to talk. I know, and you've done this before, like when you're walking, I think guys, and this is a general and it's not just guys, like walking is a good time for them to talk because there's something about sitting face to face with somebody, which is, I don't know, I don't know if I find it less comfortable. It depends on the person maybe, but yeah, walking side by side, it is easier just kind of to chat kind of as you're walking around. That's so good. That's why often conversations in the car too kind of happen because kids can't, you're kind of both there, I guess,

in the moment, but that walking. And I think that's exactly what the camps that he's running kind of do, they're activity based. So rather than sitting down being like, how are you? Yeah, but also from what I can see, and I haven't done these, but I think, I mean, if they're still around, I'd love to do something like it, you know, in 10 years or so. Yeah, and also they make you share with each other, you know, which is not something you would normally do. You know, you wouldn't get your kid necessarily to like sit down

and be like, right, let's do this activity about feelings or whatever they do I don't know but I guess it's a little bit like you I remember when you were at school you went away on a camp and they you got your they had your parents write you letters they did yeah yeah and I think that that's really powerful yeah and it was weird because my dad wrote my letter and it was like you hear things about yourself that you don't you, that they might not have said or you might not have even, like they may have said and you might not have heard, you know, but you're really like paying attention in that circumstance.

There's something about going away together as a group, usually in a bush setting or somewhere out in nature and on a camp that does open young people up and everyone up, I think, when you're away out of your home environment rather than being at school, I always thought they were really special times. So, yeah, it's definitely something that I'm thinking about doing and keeping in mind in the toolkit. Yeah, but later down the track.

And I also am just reflecting on it now. Our son's getting older and I'm conscious, as we discussed last week, that we have very different interests. Yeah. And so I don't want to lose that relationship with him because I don't like playing video games or whatever it is. And part of it is me just learning some of that stuff to have a conversation. You don't like playing Mario Strikers?

No, it gives me a heart attack. It's so awful. It's so overwhelming. I've got to talk about that next week. I really can't do it. Anyway, the other thing that Mike did say, and I thought this was very valuable too, was that at a certain point, boys get older and you stop wrestling with them and play fighting with them. I saw this one as well, yeah.

And I thought that was really interesting, right? He said, actually, we should be doing that all the way through their teenagehood because it's about them learning their boundaries and it's a bit harder because they're bigger and, you know, scarier. Yeah. But it's important and I think that that rang true for me. Would you say that would have? Yeah, no, definitely. I think it's, you know, it's something you do with like little kids

because it gets them used to like. Their boundaries. Not only that but it's like their bare boundaries and other people's boundaries and when to say stop and, you know, when to pull back and how hard to hit somebody when you're not really, you know, when you're just mucking around. Yeah. It's all that stuff. And that's good for everybody.

That's not just a boy's thing. Yeah, completely. I would say that for girls as well. And I guess this all leads also into some really rich conversations about consent to and respecting other people. And be like, oh, that's a bit too rough or whatever or that actually hurt me a little bit and, you know, just pull back. Yeah, and learning to listen.

But I just thought that was interesting that, yeah, at a certain point that can all just stop because you think it's not appropriate or something anymore when actually kids need that longer. It's the same with hugs and affection I think too. Sometimes as kids get older we can think they don't need as much of that anymore and I still think they do up until obviously you know your child and know when it's appropriate or not. There's so many threads that I've seen where it's just like boys

and men who just like want to be held or to like to hug somebody, you know, and they don't have that or haven't had it since, you know, they were a kid. And again, it's not just boys. Well, that breaks my heart. Yeah. Yeah. I'm getting emotional.

Well, I'm fine. Do you know you can actually review the show? I can hold you if you like. No, I'm good. You can actually review the show. Don't touch me, anybody. No, but doesn't that break your heart? Oh, definitely.

Because I do think that, you know, at the end of the day, we all want to be loved. And, yeah, so go love your young people. That's one good thing about having a partner. The only good thing is you've got somebody to like to hug. It's a good thing. Or you can get an anime body pillow, which is also fine. You know you can review the show, Claire.

Oh, no. This is what IJ Griffiths says. Keep it up. I love the show. I love the show and unlike some others I like James' opinion. Oh, you've lost me. He also put James apostrophe and then an extra S. Is that right?

I feel like it's not an S. I feel like it's just James apostrophe. I'm just thinking about James' Yeah, anyway. I really enjoy that. It doesn't like my apostrophe. I'm just thinking about James's. Yeah, anyway. I really enjoy that it doesn't like my opinions anymore. I really enjoy the general dynamic and hope that you guys keep producing this podcast which never fails to make me laugh. Speaking of, of course, we are taking a break in August. We are.

We talked about that last week, did we? I don't think we did on the suggestibles. Okay. So just for those who aren't aware, we have decided to take the whole of August off. Yep. A big old break. It's the first one we've done in like 10 years. Yep.

It's a big thing, but we've decided to do it network-wide, and that's also all the people that work for us as well are taking a little break too. So the Facebook group for Planet Broadcasting will still be running bare bones. Oh, will it? Okay. Well, we're still debating that. Yeah. So at the moment, I'm trying to get Collings to take a proper break

and he keeps saying no, I'll be on there a little bit. But things will definitely be scaled right back. There will still be big sandwich content coming out though, but just old episodes and things like that, not new content. We won't be on the socials. That's right. Goodness me, for a whole month of August, time to do some resting. Maybe you'll get to the occasional Instagram post.

I don't bloody know. Anyway, Claire, do you have a letter? I do. Okay, so if you want to write into the show with your suggestibles, you can at suggestiblepod at gmail.com, just like Annabelle has. Dear Claire and James, my partner and I often listen to the pod on our separate commutes and come back to discuss later in the day. We are both in our mid-20s.

He works in a bookshop and I'm a history PhD student. Oh, big nerds. I know. Sandra Bullock would be very impressed. I think so. So last week, Claire, you were exasperated about fighting in movies. You are correct, Annabelle. You asked what is the point of them and alluded to the idea

that just boys and men were interested in them. I would just like to say that I'm a woman of colour, working in a field with very few people who look like me, so I am acutely aware of inequalities, even within my very small sphere of influence, and don't get me started on the bigger injustices of the world, but I like big, punchy action movies. They do have their fair share of problems when it comes to representation.

They have a handful of POC and often not as main characters. There is very little representation of the LGBTQI community and sometimes women are simply props in these movies, but there are good ones. Agreed. Some of my favourites are Pacific Rim, Captain America, The Winter Soldier. That's a good movie. Mad Max Fury Road. Great movie. And Black Panther. Agreed. Some of my favourites are Pacific Rim, Captain America, The Winter Soldier. That's a good movie.

Mad Max Fury Road. Great movie. And Black Panther. Good movie. These movies have some really great action scenes that tell a lot about the characters' motivations, beliefs and backstory. They also take on themes that can easily relate to real life. They have something that they are fighting for to better the world

they live in. It just so happens that they do it with fists, guns or very big robots. When done well, the scenes are so well choreographed, Yes. That's something that you said to me too. Don't just take it from me. The YouTuber Jill Beerup has a whole channel about analyzing movie fights. She even has some on Pacific Rim and Mad Max Fury Road. She also has some on Pirates of the Caribbean, if that's more your speed. And she has a background in stage combat and critically breaks down fight scenes

to highlight the importance of camera framing, setting, levels, and movements and how all this matters for characters and the story as a whole. The videos are usually around 10 minutes long and are a lot of fun. I'm really going to check this out. You should check it out. Thank you so much, Annabelle. I actually made a list of films that either have female action leads or co-leads or directed by female directors.

Ooh, I should make my way through. Yes, I would be. I can finish a letter and then I can go through some of these. As an aside, my partner would like to recommend a book for James, Mickey Seven by Edward Ashton. What's it called, sorry? Mickey Seven. Mickey 7. Mickey 7. It's a fun sci-fi novel similar to the movie Moon

with some great world building and characters. It's also being turned into a movie with Bong Joon-ho as the director. Oh, he did Parasite and each other's shit. Amazing. Oh, and Robert Pattinson. Yes, Robert Pattinson, Stephen Ewan and Tony Collette. This was originally published in 1918. I was really looking forward to this.

I didn't know it was based on a book. I am going to read this book. I don't. This was actually my idea. Oh, that's great. He also works at a bookstore, so he will know his stuff. I'd imagine he would, yeah. It's always great listening to the pod and we look forward

to more suggestibles. Best wishes, Annabelle and Eddie. Best wishes, Annabelle and Eddie. Thank you, Annabelle and Eddie. That was a wonderful letter. I know. It was such a wonderful letter. And I am sorry about my big old rant about Minions last week. There are a few other letters about Minions but maybe I'll just.

Did they give you some inspiration, Claire, to love the movie? Some inspiration. I think the takeaway here is that you hate the movie Minions too but other people can enjoy it and I think that's fine and it's a bit of escapism, you know? You know. I guess you're probably right there. This is what we do.

We literally just, it's like here's some things you can escape into. I know. You're absolutely right. I'm not quite sure why I had such a massive feeling about it. I feel like maybe, I don't know if anyone notices, maybe there were some other things going on for me that week, possibly. And I am a little embarrassed, slash a lot embarrassed. No, it's fine.

About my big emotional feelings. You're allowed to have feelings. I don't have any, but I'd imagine it'd be very troubling. She mentioned Mad Max Fury Road. You've seen this, but the movie Alien and then the movie Aliens, Sigourney Weaver is the lead. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. You've seen those, but they're amazing.

There's a newer, this isn't like beloved, but I think it's pretty fun. It's a Birds of Prey movie directed by Cathy Yen, who's got Margot Robbie in the lead as Harley Quinn. Oh, cool. Which I think is like a lot of people don't like love it, but I think it's pretty fun. And I think it's got like one really good action scene, particularly in the middle where she breaks into a police station,

and it's like non-lethal stuff. There's a movie called The Old Guard starring Charlize Theron on Netflix, which is about their kind of warriors who are immortal and it's just them across time, et cetera. The comic is better, but the movie's still pretty good. The newest Terminator movie, Terminator Dark Fate, is again not beloved, and I know you didn't love Terminator movie, Terminator Dark Fate, is again not beloved. And I know you didn't love Terminator 2. But Terminator Dark Fate is Linda Hamilton comes back

and she's like 65 years old as Sarah Connor. And Arnold is back as well as like an older Terminator. But the person they send back in time to protect them is played by Mackenzie Davis. You know Mackenzie Davis? She's tall and she's great and she's in like Blade Runner and a bunch of other stuff. You know her.

She's this woman. Oh, yeah, she's great. I think she's really good. Oh, I think she's good in general, but she's really good in this particular Terminator movie. Look, it's not as good as like the first two Terminators, but I think it's easily the best Terminator movie that has come since the Terminator.

It's got a lot of female kind of leads in it. I think it's great. A lot of people don't think that, but they're wrong. It is good. 10 Cloverfield Lane. It's the second Cloverfield Lane, seventh Cloverfield movie. It stars Mary Elizabeth Winstead, who is also in the Birds of Prey movie, actually. She's currently, she was in Fargo with Ewan McGregor, and now they're married.

You probably know her as well. Anyway, she's great. Predators, which is the third Predator movie. It's got like a, it's mostly men, but there's a female sniper in it. Her name is played by Alice Braga, who's really great. Those Who Wish Me Dead. What was that? What was that again?

I can't even remember. I did put that in. I'm like, why did I put that in? What movie is that even? Oh yeah, that's not a good one. I put that in as a joke. That's the Angelina Jolie one where she's the firefight yeah, that's not a good one. I put that in as a joke. That's the Angelina Jolie one where she's the firefighter.

That's not a good one. Winter's Bone is more of a thriller. It's directed by Debra Granik and it's from 2010 and it stars, what's her name, like fucking Hunger Games, Jennifer Lawrence. Oh, yes, Jennifer Lawrence. That's really great. Again, it's more of a thriller. And if you're looking for comedy movies, The Heat, I think you've seen, that's Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy. Have you ever seen that?

No. The Heat's amazing. If you haven't seen The Heat. No. If you love Sandra Bullock, you'll love The Heat. Okay. The Heat's so funny and it's so good. I love Sandra Bullock. And also to a lesser extent, but it's still a good, a movie called Spy, which stars Melissa

McCarthy and it's got like Jason Statham in it and it's really silly and funny. It's good, but The Heat is way better. The Heat's incredible. You should watch The Heat. You might have even seen The Heat. You might have just forgotten. I could have forgotten because I'm like that. Okay, can you send me all those recommendations and I will make my way through them. And I will be open to be proven wrong.

Yeah, well, you are wrong. You haven't seen this, The Heat? No. That's really good. I think Paul Feig directed it. I haven't seen it. Mostly makes good movies. Cool. I'm excited now. I think Paul Feig directed it. I haven't seen it. Mostly makes good movies. Cool.

I'm excited now. It is Paul Feig. Yeah, great. Cool. Excellent. Anyway, there's some things that you might enjoy. Oh, thank you so much. Next week is our – no, we've got a couple more episodes.

We've got a couple more episodes. Oh, I just wanted to read one more thing very clearly before we go. Do it. Do you remember how last week or maybe the week before we were talking about being tall? Yeah. Yes, correct. I got an email from Ross. Claire and James, love the podcast and your banter with each other.

You recently spoke about being tall and as someone who is considered tall, 6'5", 196 centimetres, I believe I'm qualified to speak on the topic. Being tall in a short person's world is difficult. That's pretty tall. Clothes never fit. Finding a shop that has shoes size bigger than 12 is very difficult. On planes, your knees are always rubbing against the seat in front of you. It's truly a painful existence.

And the awful thing short people say to tall people truly is despicable. They say things such as, if you were any longer, you'd be late. And how's the weather up there? Oh, my God. It's awful. Also, as an Irishman, I'd be late. And how's the weather up there? Oh, my God. It's awful. Also, as an Irishman, I'd like an apology from both of you for your horrendous attempts at Irish accents. Please and thank you.

Sincerely, Ross. No, I will not apologise. Unless you're right in front of me. In which case, I'll be like, he's pretty tall. I've got to apologise. Oh, Ross, I'm very sorry. Oh, no. What was that?

Was that intentional? Yeah, it was. Now we've got a very tall man with his big long strides coming after us. He's going to cram himself onto a plane and fly over and beat us up. Claire, thanks. Oh, Ross, I'm really sorry, mate. That sounds hard. They should make a world that's like accommodating for everyone.

Yeah, ideally, yes. But unfortunately, and it's the same if you're like left-handed, I guess, if you're not like in the middle, everything's not really built for you, you know? Yeah, correct. Yeah, the same goes for women too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In general, if you're not like in the middle.

Bulk standard white dudes. Yeah. Things don't work. Oh, settle down, Claire, with your culture worrying. Just because you're smack bang bulk standard in the middle. Yeah, exactly. It's built for me. I'm fine. Oh, Ross, thank you so much for writing in.

Thanks for listening to the show. You're a legend. And thanks for being tall, Ross. We appreciate it. Don't make a tall joke. I'm not making a tall joke. And the weather up there! What's it like?

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