Suggestible - The Bachelor’s Handbag

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to. Hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.New music, merch, live show info and much, much more available at https://www.cla...iretonti.com/This week’s Suggestibles:05:14 Cunk on Earth11:10 Atlas of the Heart by Brené Brown20:29 7 Days in Hell22:52 When did she become apart from me? by Kym VealeSend your recommendations to suggestiblepod@gmail.com, we’d love to hear them.You can also follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @suggestiblepod and join our ‘Planet Broadcasting Great Mates OFFICIAL’ Facebook Group. So many things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:41 unless you listen to multiple episodes, in which case that's great. Good for you. It's Suggestible, the podcast where we recommend you things to watch, read, and listen to. My name is Claire Tonti. James Clement is here also. We are married and we recommend you things like, for example, my show that was over on the weekend. Over?
Starting point is 00:00:58 On the weekend. How can you recommend something that's already been and gone? Well, I'm just letting people know that I would have recommended it last week and sucks for you if you didn't come because it was awesome. It was pretty good. Listen, I've never had a standing ovation to my knowledge. Have I? Probably not. I don't know. Maybe every week people stand up after my podcast and they go, he's done it again. Just James, not Mason. Done it again. How does he do it? I don't know. Who knows? How do you do it? I don't know. Who knows? How do you do it?
Starting point is 00:01:26 It's hard to tell. But, yeah, it went really, really well. And so many people came out and people who listen to this show and people who listen to my show who I really appreciate as well because, let's be honest, maybe matrescence might not specifically be for you. But it really meant a lot coming out and, like, people seemed to get a lot out of it. But they're not the only people who came, obviously.
Starting point is 00:01:44 No, and thank you so much to my Thursday therapy girls as well who I forgot to mention at the end of the show because I got really overwhelmed and left my thank you notes in the green room. And so I wanted to say a special shout out to them because they're bloody awesome and saw me through so many of those early motherhood days. I have to say that I'm so grateful to you because I would never have been able to do that show and write this whole album. Without my wicked guitar solo I did in the middle of it. Yeah, exactly. That's it. No, just without all of the things. Because people ask me today,
Starting point is 00:02:16 how did I do it? How did you manage to do it? I said, Claire, how are you so brilliant? What's the secret to tapping into that creative spirit? What did you say to them? I said my wonderful, very gorgeous husband, James. What was the real reason? It's probably a different thing, but sure. Also, no, I don't know. Cause I loved it. It's the first thing I've ever really, really, really thrown myself into and put everything at it. And, and I just, yeah, I've just feel super grateful for everyone that was there. And also it's not lost on me as well how important it is to honour
Starting point is 00:02:51 that transition of motherhood that we call matrescence and that it deserves to have not just one album but thousands of albums and books and poems and art made about it because it is just a greater love story and a transition as any that happens to a human being. And I was reminded again of the depth of complexity and joy and also trauma and difficulty that women experience through that transition. And I was really honored by some of the stories that were shared with me afterwards about the shame that can happen around breastfeeding,
Starting point is 00:03:26 about the fragility of those emotions around those really early days of motherhood and how discombobulating it is. And I know you saw me through so many of that, so much of that time. Also, how weird was it to sing, I sang Dancing Till Three and I realised I wrote it about us but I never actually sung it with you in the room not well I'd heard it but you hadn't sung it directly to me like 200 people yeah exactly so it was just really special and I was really like I hadn't forgotten that that was going to happen and then you got teary and I got teary
Starting point is 00:03:59 it was a whole thing anyway thank you to everyone that came if you would like to listen the album's out on Spotify you can also head to my website and there are vinyls and t-shirts and a few things if you'd like to support the show. And thank you to every single person that came. And thank you also to a wonderful listener, David, who came and then did a cover of Pints, one of my songs. Yeah. On Instagram. And he's got such a beautiful voice. Better voice than you. Yeah. Well, maybe.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, it's definitely awesome. Let's say different. Different. Yeah. Correct. Anyway, enough of that, me going on and on about this thing that I've done that James has had to listen to forever. Well, you've got more things coming up so people could keep their ears and eyes peeled.
Starting point is 00:04:38 I do. I do. I do. I have a show on the 9th of March. Events and festivals and various things. Correct. Lots of things. But yeah, the next one will be a very low-key little pub gig
Starting point is 00:04:47 at the Lully Tavern on the 9th of March. And it's free? It's a free entry one, yeah. So you can come. I think they have like $1 chicken wings or something. Oh, my God. Wait, is that $1 a wing or is it $1 a basket? That is such a good one.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I reckon it must be $1 a wing. Wouldn't you think? You'd think so, yeah. You'd think so. So maybe that's actually not that cheap. Is that good value? I don't know. It's hard to tell.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Because you could get the old bachelor's handbag, the roast chicken from Coles. Is that what it's called? For like $3 and eat it at home over the sink. The bachelor's handbag. The bachelor's handbag. That's a perfect name for that. It is. Mason told me that. He didn't come up with it. I'm pretty confident. No, but that's because he's handbag. That's a perfect name for that. It is.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Mason told me that. He didn't come up with it, I'm pretty confident. No, but that's because he's a bachelor. That's true. And he loves a bachelor's handbag. He does. He loves all kinds of fried foods. Maybe he's dating all sorts of famous people.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Maybe he is and we just never know. Our son asked him that the other day. He's like, Mason, what's your secrets? Tell me your secrets. Tell them to me. I told him next time I'm asking him to pull a knife on him and he'll have to tell you the secrets. Correct.
Starting point is 00:05:47 All right, here's my first recommendation. Off he flies. It's called Kunk on Earth. Now this character of Philomena Kunk, who's played by Diane Morgan, was created by Charlie Brooker, who you might know, was one of the minds, the key minds behind Black Mirror. You know on Black Mirror they're always like, my phone's got a person in it or whatever, you know?
Starting point is 00:06:08 You've seen that episode. So this was a character that used to appear on Charlie Brooker's Wipe series. He used to do like recap series of like particular events all the year. He'd be like, here's the year that just happened and here's all the terrible things that occurred. I think you've seen bits and pieces of them before. I think they're amazing. Anyway, so here's the synopsis.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Philomena Kunk, who's played by Diane Morgan, travels the world, interviews real-world experts. So it's about everything. It's about how the world was created and the universes, the pyramids were built, all of these different things. And she's just this absolutely fucking absurd person, like in the real world, despite her saying some of the silliest stuff
Starting point is 00:06:46 and funniest stuff that you would ever hear. It's really quite informative, like despite that kind of, you know, those two things kind of playing against each other. And it's so obviously wrong when she is joking or, you know, nonsense kind of thing happens that it's not going to teach you something incorrect. You know, you're not going to teach you something incorrect. You know, you're not going to come out of it and parrot some information that's clearly not true, if that makes sense, unless you're a massive, massive idiot.
Starting point is 00:07:15 I just want to, I'm going to show you the introduction because I feel people can hear it. This is the introduction to it on Netflix. I'm just going to show you just now, Claire, to see if this is your vibe, all right? All right. Listen up. Thank you, Colin. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I won't play much of it. Okay. You can hear that? This is the cunk show. Yep. Okay. This is our planet, planet Earth. Love this song.
Starting point is 00:07:41 It's a planet I'm literally on right now. And unless you're watching this on a long-haul flight or while falling off a building, chances are you are too. This is the incredible story of how humankind transformed our world from being a load of pointless nature like this to full of modern things like this and how it did it using nothing more than its hands and its imagination and also tools electricity, and the internet.
Starting point is 00:08:10 It's a journey that'll take me to every corner of the globe money and pandemic travel restrictions would allow. Getting up close to some of our species' most stunning achievements. And I'll be asking questions. Who are you? To leading academics, clever noughts and expertists who will help me unlock the mystery of human civilisation. Why do they say it's a mystery how the pyramids were built when it's obviously just big bricks in a triangle?
Starting point is 00:08:40 This is not just the story of the pyramids. This is the story of the world we live on. I thought it was incredible. Actually, I haven't even finished it. It's five episodes. But she's so funny and just the way that she, like, talks to experts and they just kind of go along with her. There's one point where she's talking to that woman about the pyramids and she's like, I can't even remember the specifics of it,
Starting point is 00:09:01 but she basically asks whether they start the pyramids from the bottom or the top. But really, now I'm just thinking, do they though? How would you start from the top? What are you talking about? I thought maybe they'd start with tiny bricks and then they'd like slot a little bit. Like go up from like a, make a pillar in the middle.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah, so start with the smallest brick and then put a littlest brick under and then another. But that's starting from the bottom still, isn't it? No, but you're starting from the top brick. No. No, that's wrong. That's wrong. Anyway, I cannot stress like how funny and quick Diane Morgan is
Starting point is 00:09:35 because a lot of the time obviously, like a lot of this is written. It's got like eight writers on it. But when she's in the moment, like in the interviews, you know, you see that and there's also no doubt clever editing. You can see how like the way that she reacts to people, completely unfazed, just like someone will say something to her and she'll just say like the dumbest thing or something that's really like pointed and mean but seemingly not intentionally.
Starting point is 00:10:00 It's that fine line of like you'd have to be super intelligent to say something that stupid and that funny. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's kind of hard. It's just a really great balance. Yeah, she's always brilliant. I love her.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Yeah. It's also got some like beautiful cinematography. Like it's shot like a planet Earth or whatever. It's shot like a big blockbuster David Attenborough style. And also makes some very salient points, I would say. I agree. Exactly. It debuted on the BBC last year, but all five episodes, thank you,
Starting point is 00:10:33 are now on the Netflix if you are interested. The Netflixer, the old Flixie Net. Why didn't they call it Flixie Net? Because that's a bad name. Where are you going? I thought the dogs were up to secret dog business. They would be usually. They're very troublesome, those dogs.
Starting point is 00:10:47 One of them woke up last night and couldn't sleep. It had to come onto my bed. Zippy, the annoying one. Yeah. And then all night, like I'd be asleep and suddenly she'd be like, and I was awake again. That cheeky dog. Yeah, is that her?
Starting point is 00:11:00 Hello. Careful. Don't chew any cords, Zippy. All right. That looks awesome. Okay, so on Netflix. On Netflix. Five episodes, would you say? Five episodes. Careful. Don't chew any cords, Zippy. All right. That looks awesome. Okay, so on Netflix. On Netflix. Five episodes, would you say?
Starting point is 00:11:07 Five episodes. Great. We could do some more yearly wipes as well. I think he's doing Black Mirror again though. Because when everything went bad, well, everything is bad. But he was like, I'm going to stop making Black Mirror. Because it's way too close to reality. It's depressing.
Starting point is 00:11:21 But now he's making more Black Mirror. Exactly. That was like years and years, which was excellent with Emma Thompson. But also way too close to reality. That's Stephen Moffat. He's gone back to Doctor Who. Oh, I love a Doctor Who. David Tennant's back.
Starting point is 00:11:34 I love David Tennant. He's my favorite Doctor Who. Obviously, he's everyone's favorite, right? Not everybody. Isn't he? He's the most handsome one. Maybe. We can wait for clean water solutions.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Or we can engineer access to clean water. We can acknowledge indigenous cultures. Or we can learn from indigenous voices. We can demand more from the earth. Or we can demand more from ourselves. At York University, we work together to create positive change for a better tomorrow. Join us at yorku.ca slash write the future. All right, James, it is, is it my turn now? I see you're holding a book of some description. I am. It's a beautiful book.
Starting point is 00:12:20 This one? Because it's hardcover? Is there another reason? Just because it's hardcover, that's it. So this book is by an author called Brene Brown. I know a lot of people have talked about. I have talked about Brene Brown a lot on this podcast and the Gifts of Imperfection I used a lot during my album writing. It's just about letting go of perfectionism and actually how that can really hold us back. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Anyway, Atlas of the Heart is her new book. It came out a while ago. I wanted to recommend it. I think it's a really beautiful gift as well. It's a really beautiful looking book too. It is, yeah. What she's done, it's called Atlas of the Heart, Mapping Meaningful Connection in the Language of Human Experience.
Starting point is 00:13:00 And what I find so interesting is that she's actually taken 87 of the emotions and experiences that define what it means to be human and maps them in a framework for connection. Oh, you were telling me about this. How do you pick 87? Well, she's done a huge amount of research. Right. So she's like a sociologist, I guess.
Starting point is 00:13:21 She's like, hmm, hungry. And writes it down. Hungry and emotion. That is exactly how she does it. I knew it. I knew it. No, she goes out and studies human behavior. They do surveys. They talk to experts. She does a huge amount of reading to kind of break down in terms of like psychology as well, what human emotions actually are. And I think what's powerful about this book is that I think we often think of emotions as just, you know, happy, sad, maybe angry. Confused.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Confused. You know, jealousy. Hungry. Like some of those patterns but there's so many. Yeah. And then the shades of those then give you an idea of how to connect better to other people. Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Which I know is so far up my alley, all of this stuff, right? I mean, I know this isn't for everyone, but I bloody love emotions. I don't know a lot of things necessarily, but I know emotions. I know them. If you've got one, I'm like an emotional sniffer dog. Like you recognize them? Correct. In other people, in yourself, in?
Starting point is 00:14:23 Yeah, in myself, in other people, everywhere. And there's shades that I only see them like colors. Yeah. I can sense them in people. And you can feel multiple emotions about something. And I think what is interesting about this too is that she's talked about how people see researching emotions as being like a soft skill. She talked about soft skills or like soft research.
Starting point is 00:14:46 It's not like. Like it's airy-fairy or something. Yeah, it's not like accounting or looking at a science beaker. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You are now that it's all about the science beakers. I feel like I was prepared in high school to use beakers a lot. I was first looking at beakers. I'm like, I'm never going to need this. I'm never going to look at a beaker. Yeah. And I can safely say they did not play a
Starting point is 00:15:10 big role in my life. I'm sure there are people out there that they play a very big role for. That's true. Like the Muppet beaker. This is correct. Exactly. Or possibly my brother who studies rocks in Norway. Whatever. Anyway, but going back to emotions, what I think is really interesting is then being able to unpack in context and actually articulating them is really difficult. And people who study a lot of other fields in science, actually having to articulate your emotions can be actually some of the most difficult things you can ever do. But they in the end actually lead to, as Brené talks about, more meaningful connection and
Starting point is 00:15:44 a happier, more contented life once you can articulate them. That makes total sense when you know like what's happening to you or others and you can communicate that or at the very least understand it. Yeah, exactly. And understand. It's like when you see kids and they're angry and they don't know why they're angry, they're probably hungry. But, you know, it's really important to be able to pinpoint that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Yeah, exactly because otherwise you then end up like bursting out at someone, which you can see adult people doing all the time. Oh, totally. And having like unconscious behaviour. Yes. And not understanding the root cause, which is I think really interesting. So for example, she's broken them into chapters and this one is places we go when we fall short.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Okay. So when we feel like we're not doing as well as we should be. Yeah. We feel emotions like shame, self-compassion, perfectionism, guilt, humiliation and embarrassment. Yep. Anyway, so all of those things. So she kind of breaks it down for you.
Starting point is 00:16:42 Yeah, cool. I think another really interesting one she talks about is something called comparative suffering. What is that? Which is, I think, really interesting. So let me give you a little read. So empathy is not finite and compassion is not a pizza with eight slices. When you practice empathy and compassion with someone, there is not less of these qualities
Starting point is 00:17:00 to go around. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. It's not finite. Yeah. So there's actually more. Love is the last thing we need to ration in this world. That fear and scarcity trigger comparison and even pain
Starting point is 00:17:13 and hurt are not immune to being assessed and ranked. Because COVID unleashed such massive fear and anxiety, we saw comparative suffering everywhere. For example, my husband died and that grief is worse than your grief over missing your daughter's wedding. I'm not allowed to talk about how disappointed I am about my job changing because my friend just found out that his wife has COVID. Yeah. Yeah. You're worried about your teenager becoming disconnected and isolated during quarantine when thousands of people in India are dying. Yeah, absolutely. It's those two things.
Starting point is 00:17:44 I know that's something that you often talk about whenever you're like, this thing happened and it's bad, but then you're like, but I also know that I have a nice life. Yeah. It's like, yeah, but you're allowed to be sad. Yeah, exactly. It's all relative as well. Yeah, because we're just comparing our suffering rather
Starting point is 00:18:00 than just understanding that our suffering is our suffering. Yeah. So as Brene says, what we fail to understand is that the family in India doesn't benefit more if you can serve your concern only for them and withhold it from your child who is also suffering. Right, okay. So yes, perspective is critical, but I'm a firm believer that sharing how we feel, even complaining, is okay as long as we piss and moan with a little perspective.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Hurt is hurt, and every time we honor our own struggle and the struggles of others by responding with empathy and compassion, the healing that results affects all of us. So really I just love that because I think we are all conscious, as you said, of that all the time, that people always have it worse off and actually, yeah. I think it's true. It is true.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Because everybody, you could say literally every person. And when you think about what's happening in Syria and Turkey and like so many places in the world, this is absolutely true. But just you feeling kind of guilty for feeling bad about your own pain doesn't make anything better for anyone else. No, exactly. Or you. Or you, exactly.
Starting point is 00:19:05 So moving through with more empathy and compassion for everyone all around, whatever situation you're in, I just love. So that's one pearl of wisdom. There's bloody thousands of them in this book. But that would also mean that like there is one person on the planet who was the most miserable and downtrodden. Like if it was ranked, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:25 There's always somebody less well off. Totally. There is somebody who's like the least well off. Wowza. Big call. Yeah. Yeah, this is true. And the reverse is true?
Starting point is 00:19:36 Yeah, it's probably Elon Musk. Yeah. Guy's got it rough, you know? Okay, exactly. Do you know what's interesting about that too though? Because it's all so complex, all this stuff, isn't it? Because you can have not a lot but be much happier or more content because of your outlook on life than someone who says Elon Musk,
Starting point is 00:19:56 who I think secretly seems miserable. I don't think it's a secret. But I, yeah, totally. I think also like money like helps a lot and alleviates a lot of problems. Yes, I totally agree with that. But it does also hit a point where you don't get happier. Like you acquire more and it doesn't make you happier. Like it's diminishing returns until it's just like, well,
Starting point is 00:20:16 I've got so much and I can do literally anything. But it's like, you know, but I'm not happy. What's wrong? Yeah. I don't know. And as Brene would say it's the quality of our relationships that end up determining our happiness really and our contentedness and the way we enjoy our life often it's a lot of it is whether you can do a flip
Starting point is 00:20:36 because that's right that's right as well and just more empathy and compassion yeah I think that is like empathy and compassion to ourselves empathy compassion and compassion to other people. It's not a finite thing. I love that. It's not like, oh, if I feel some empathy for you, I can't feel empathy for you. No. You can feel empathy. You can do a big empathy.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Big empathy. You can do a big empathy. You can. Anyway, this book is called Atlas of the Heart by Brene Brown and it is stunning and you can jump in and out of it. It's almost like a textbook for emotions. So if you're going through something in particular. I'm not begone.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Or you have a child that is. No, not me. I'm begone. You know, like she talks about hope, hopelessness and despair and what they actually mean and how we can identify. Like it's amazing and really helpful. So it gives language around things that we might not even really understand ourselves and I love it.
Starting point is 00:21:29 So yes, excellent. Yes, cool. I've got a bit of a recommendation here, Claire. It's in relation to this thing that I'm bringing up now. It's in front of me, I mean. It's called Seven Days in Hell and it's directed by Jake Sosmanski and written by Murray Miller and it stars Andy Samberg, who as you might know, he's from Lonely Island and he's also
Starting point is 00:21:51 in Brooklyn Nine-Nine. He's like the main cop in that. He's like, well, I love Die Hard or whatever. And it also stars Kit Harington, who you might know as Jonathan Snow. John Snow. I love that guy. Do you? Yeah, he's unexpectedly short but I do love him.
Starting point is 00:22:06 That's nothing wrong with that, Claire. That's normal to be unexpectedly short. Serena – it also features Serena Williams, John McEnroe, Will Forte, David Copperfield. That's right. The author. Oh, David Copperfield, the magician. The magician.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Magician. What can I talk tonight? Magician. This is the synopsis. Tennis champions Aaron Williams, Andy Samberg, and Charles Poole, Kit Harington, have an epic tennis match that lasts for seven days. So it's a mockumentary starring these two guys about this tennis match that keeps like getting delayed or also like they keep getting to match point
Starting point is 00:22:44 and then it goes back and it goes for seven days, right? It happened in like the early 2000s apparently. So one's like this burnout kind of wild card, which is the Andy Samberg character, and the other one is like this dull British golden boy who's kind of like pompous and stupid. And it's just this absurdist and fictional Wimbledon match that it's just very silly and a little bit rude and very funny. And it lampoons like various sporting documentaries and tennis tropes and,
Starting point is 00:23:12 you know, and British and tennis traditions and all of these kinds of things. But it's a lot of fun. It's from like 2015. And I've been meaning to watch it for a while. A friend of mine, Joe, mentioned it like ages ago. I was like, you should watch this thing. And then we were on holiday earlier in this year. I don't know if you remember I was watching it.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I'm like, this is quite good. The other thing about it is it's like 45 minutes long. So you don't have to commit like a whole bunch of time to it. But it's fun. If you like tennis, well, not even. Like I'm not a big tennis fan. Like I like it enough. But I found it was really fun and silly and funny and stupid
Starting point is 00:23:44 and a little bit of drug use as well. But it's just pretend. Well, I know all about that apparently. That's true. Apparently that's me. That's you big time. But what have you got to recommend or is that the last recommend? No, no, I've got one last thing to recommend.
Starting point is 00:24:00 It's really special actually. Okay, so one of the women in our community, Kim Veal, is a women's physio and she's worked with a lot of the women in our community. I worked with her back when our son was born and then also in preparation for my daughter's birth and after her birth as well. So Kim sees women in all kinds of different stages of pregnancy. Post-pregnancy and she deals with incontinence and all kinds
Starting point is 00:24:24 of issues that affect women. Yep. But she sees women in really vulnerable situations. And I interviewed her for Tons and I had a lot of feedback about that episode. I asked her to read out a blog that she wrote a long time ago when she was first a new mum. Okay, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:38 And she read it on the show and it was so moving. Anyway, we caught up for coffee and she was sharing with me that she had more pieces that she'd written years ago about her journey through motherhood. And one in particular really spoke to her that had a similar content to the song, This Mother Thing that I write. Anyway, so she sent it to me and then I just sat at the kitchen table bawling my eyes out at this beautiful poem. And so I'm going to read a poem, James. Can you handle it? Oh, my God, I knew this was coming.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Look, I know Kim. I've met her, so I'm going to let this one slide. All right. Thank goodness. Okay, so this one is called When Did She Become Apart From Me, A Mother's Ode, and warning, it's beautiful. Oh, warning, it's beautiful. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I just mean there's lots of emotions. So maybe if you're at work or something, maybe save this. Anyway, here we go. She came from my being, started as a seed, always there, never apart. Her number was chosen. She won and thrived. My bread was her bread. My lungs her air. She was me.
Starting point is 00:25:47 There was no divide. My rhythm was her lullaby. We became an alien. A two-headed strong willed force of nature. She came with a purpose. Perfect from the start. She breathed her own oxygen and her blood pumped red. I didn't think twice when they cut her physical bond to me.
Starting point is 00:26:08 It didn't even bleed a tear. We smiled. Why didn't I mourn that more? She did not recognise herself, rather knew herself only in relation to me. Without my body, my scent, my sounds, she was lost. My milk sustained and nourished her. She grew fat on it. She was physically completely a product of my body.
Starting point is 00:26:33 I was her world. It came with responsibilities, some of which were terrifically physically, emotionally challenging. Others that were utter gluttony in their delight. And all she wanted was me. We were so wrapped in each other. We may as well have been one and the same. And we were. She took food from a spoon and I mourned a little loss. Gone was the monopoly I had on her creation. She carried on the job of children. To grow and learn and become. Become a personality, an individual, an identity, a person.
Starting point is 00:27:10 She found her voice, a beautiful husky utterance that I recognised as my own. We watched her stumble out her first steps and babble out her first words. Steps became skips and words became songs. She was blooming and so was our love. And all this time she had been observing, drinking in language, gestures, concepts, lapping up information and gathering opinions. Lots of them mine, but then a word I do not say or a gesture that is foreign. There is a dart of panic, a loss of control, an extension of the cord. Now she is at school. Now the tables have turned. I am here for food, for clothes, for
Starting point is 00:27:54 transport, for sleep. But there are many hours and many teachers and many friends shaping my baby. This walking, talking, running, jumping, skipping, thinking, writing, reading baby of my body. Then there are moments before dawn, a little tiptoe down the hall. There is a soft little voice and hand and she is curled in my body once again. Later, she will make her breakfast, dress herself and run with friends. But in this moment, rarer by the day, she has come home to rest. She is beautiful and she is mine. But when did she become apart from me? I will never know and I will not hold her back. Though she may travel far and wide,
Starting point is 00:28:38 she is my baby of my body and always she will be. Jesus, Claire. How old is her kid? She's a teenager now. Oh my God. I get really emotional. That was really well written though. That's actually really incredible. I know. It's a really beautiful poem. So I'll put a link to it below in the show notes, but it's by Kim Veal and it's from her blog and I'll just read the title out again, When She Become Apart From Me, A Mother's Ode.
Starting point is 00:29:09 So Kim wrote that back in 2016. That's really nice. Yeah, and I think she captures really well in some ways that I hadn't read about just that entity of a baby being completely part of you. Yeah. And then that slow kind of grief of them moving further and further away from you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Yeah. Anyway, it's a lot. Parenting is a lot. Anyway. You need to get over it. That's what I think. It's just I think that the thing that I find so tricky is that they're so beautiful and funny and great and gorgeous and they also,
Starting point is 00:29:43 also drive you crazy and it's hard and the slog. Yeah. So it's just this constant pull. Sometimes they're eating dinner with you, the dinner that you made, and they're just slowly, subtly feeding the food to their dog. Yeah, exactly. I should say specifically. Exactly, which was our daughter tonight.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Anyway, thank you so much. So that was the end of the show, I guess. I wish it was the end of the show, Claire, if only. If only. You can actually review the show. And after this, we've only got two reviews left. So if you've got any reviews to shoot the show. Please, reviews.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Please, we'd love to hear it. This is from Derp480 who says, the 78th best podcast. I am a comic book fan and for a while I was only watching comic book movies. This podcast, the 78th best one, has opened my eyes to lots of other genres and types of films. So for that I say thank you for being the 78th best podcast. That's good. 78th in the world?
Starting point is 00:30:33 That's incredible. You know how many podcasts there are, Claire? There's a few. That's not too bad. There's at least 120. Look at us go. That's looking good for us. It is looking good.
Starting point is 00:30:42 All right. Well, also, if you want to write us in and tell us that we're your favorite 78th podcast. I do. You can. It's jessapod.gmail.com. Just like Tana Moore has, Tana. Tana Moore. We've heard from you a few times.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Claire. What? Is Tana Moore. Congrats on doing a song. I really enjoyed the two singles, but haven't had time to listen to the album yet. That's okay. So I'm very much looking forward to it. Thanks, Tana.
Starting point is 00:31:03 No pressure. And just remember, if you don't like a song, just skip it. That's true. You can do that. No, please. Listen to the album yet. That's okay. Though I'm very much looking forward to it. Thanks, Tana. No pressure. And just remember, if you don't like a song, just skip it. That's true. You can do that. No, please, listen to the whole thing. No, skip it. Anyways, on to the important things. Previously it has been established that time is relevant or whatever.
Starting point is 00:31:16 So being that your performance was last week, I assume you have been doing nothing but reading the fantastic book that I recommended in October or November, Project Hail Mary. Well, well, well. Chickens have come home to roost. Can't wait to hear your review. But Cark. I just stepped on a dog.
Starting point is 00:31:33 What? Is it ours? She's under my chair. Can't wait to hear your review this week because obviously you've read it now that your songs and such are over. Have a great week and truly congrats on your music, Claire. You are amazing. P.S. Also just for clarification, I don't think you would have read it yet,
Starting point is 00:31:47 but this is more of a reminder of your previous promise, PBS. So James is cool and good at things too. My understanding is that you did set like a four-year limit on that as well, didn't you? Project How Merry. It is sitting on my Kindle. So, you know, I've read the first weird page where the person wakes up in the alien room or something.
Starting point is 00:32:06 I've read a bit. There's some weird penis issue, like a tube in there. I don't know. I think that was something I was saying to you. But listen, that's not the email there. No, there is a penis thing, yes. Thank you. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Great. Excellent. So that's been the show. Thank you as always to Rob Collings for editing this week's episode. How does he do it? He's a wonder kid. I think he uses a computer. He told me that he doesn't, but I suspect that he does.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I suspect too. I suspect he is a computer. What? I didn't know that. Yeah, his brain is very impressive. Well, if he is a computer, then he wouldn't be using a computer because if he is a computer. I'm thirsty.
Starting point is 00:32:39 But I'm like, because I have to see Ant-Man and I'm going to see it tonight. But I'm like, if I drink a bunch of water, then I'm going to be an Ant-Man. Is this why you're being grumpy? Because you love drinking heaps of water and you haven't had much water. I'm dehydrated. Maybe that's why. That's why you're so grumpy. What's the runtime on this?
Starting point is 00:32:53 Ant-Man, the Quasquamania. You're really not going to drink anything. It's so hot today. It's so hot. Oh, it's only two hours and five minutes. I could be dehydrated for that long. Can you? I don't think you can.
Starting point is 00:33:03 I do need to drink really badly. Yeah. Is that why you're so grouchy? Yeah, that's why, Claire. I'm always like this. I think if people listen to this, they're like, no, he's the same. He's the same as per usual. Same grouch as usual. Yeah. All right. That's it from us. Thank you as always to Royal Collings and everyone for listening. We'll see you on the flip side. Yeah, probably. Yep. Probs. Probs. Probs. No probs. No probs.

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