Suggestible - The Grinch of Frozen 2

Episode Date: December 5, 2019

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.Frozen 2 (spoilers 02:00 to 11:00)Last ChristmasYears and YearsLove is Strong as DeathThe Peanut Butter FalconFollow the show on Instagram and Twitter @suggestiblepod or visit www.planetbroadcasting.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey folks, it's Mark Maron from WTF. I travel all over North America doing stand-up and it's always good to know Airbnb is an option when I'm away from home. But if you're away from home, why not take your own place and Airbnb it? Airbnb your whole home to make some extra cash. Or if you have a spare room that's not in use, just Airbnb that. Whether you could use extra money to cover some bills or for something a little more fun, your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.ca slash host. Welcome to Suggestible. It's the time of day that we like to suggest things to you.

No, it's not. Well, not for us because normally we do this during the day. We're recording at night where we're both fading fast. You said we weren't going to tell them. No, I said fading fast. You said fun, fast, quick, happy. High energy, never stop, not even for a second. Don't show your weaknesses to your listeners.

You're wearing your special glasses that you wear at night now. I am wearing my night glasses. Yeah, that make you look kind of cute like Harry Potter. Thank you. By the way, I'm Claire. You're James. We're married. Yep.

Boom. End episode. What else do you need? What else do you want? I know what you might want. Some bloody suggestibles. Do you want me to kick things off? Yeah, it's your turn, gentlemen's first-year-old boot.

I'm bringing it back today. Didn't you bring it back last week? Yeah, I'm bringing it back every week. I'm just excited for it to be back every week forever. Right, so I think most of the things I'm talking about today we're both kind of going to cover together. The first one is – Nah, I bought extra things.

I bought extra things too. But the first one is Frozen 2, which is a movie that we've both seen separately. Into the unknown. Do you want me to sing the rest of it? Do I want you to sing the entire song? No, I don't want that. I do not want that.

Nobody wants that. They can listen to the soundtrack if they want. Okay, so if you didn't know, Into the Unknown, if you have not seen Frozen 1, is kind of like the let it go of the movie. What do you mean if they haven't seen Frozen 1? Well, if they have seen it. Oh, stop being so mean, you old grub. I don't even know what you're saying.

Your wrinkles look particularly standout to you today. My what? Your wrinkles. Thank you. When you get tired, you get all wrinkly eyed. Wrinkly eyed. Thank you. But look, it's a beautiful.

I love you though. It's a beautiful movie. Despite all your flaws. It's a beautiful movie. It's got good jokes. Yeah, it does. It's well acted. The songs are fun for the most part.

But this is a nonsense movie. No. It's not great. You are a fool with low heart. It's weird. No. But not in great. You are a fool with low heart. It's weird and but not in like a strange kooky way. Weird as in like did they really think this through that much? Like expanding the world of Frozen and the characters. So for people who haven't seen it, do you want to quickly give a quick rundown?

Sure. Okay. So after the events of Frozen 1, it's six years on or whatever it is. Correct. And if you haven't seen it, Anna and Elsa are sisters. I'm also going to spoil it. One of them's got magic powers, one of them doesn't. One's about to get married or something.

There's also a magic snowman. Anyway, the magic one, here's a call from this unknown kind of region that's kind of been blocked off for years due to a magical circumstance, which is revealed later in the movie. And it kind of revolves around the elements of earth, fire, wind, water. Okay. I hate your summary of this already. It's exactly what it is.

But it's confusing because the elements, spoiler alert, because it's revealed at the end that Elsa is one of the elements. And I'm like, yeah, was that not, did they not, I thought they just said it up top. No, she didn't. No, she wasn't. She was the one that brought them all together. She was the heart of the whole thing. Okay.

So I thought with the elements, there'd at least be some consistency in terms of what they are. Because one of them is a horse made of water. One of them is a blue lizard that makes fire. And one of them is just the wind. Like what? What does that mean? That's sl the wind. Like what? What does that mean? That sliver wind.

James, okay, here is the problem. You have a coal where your heart used to be. No, I like Frozen. Yeah, I think you have a lump of coal where your heart used to be because you're the Grinch of all things. But even the things that are like that are supposed to, like that are strengths of the first movie, including like the things that are like, that are supposed to, like the strengths of the first movie, including like the Elsa and Anna characterization and their relationship, they kind of screw

with it because the point of the first movie was that Elsa was figuring out who she was in terms of her powers and realized that she needed other people, specifically her sister to grow as a human being and kind of control her power and it was all love and sisterhood and all that kind of shit, right? That was like the point of that movie. Yeah, and this is the perfect extension of it. No, because there's a moment where she puts her sister in an ice canoe and just fucking sends her off to her death so she can run into a trap.

No, you totally misconstrued that entire thing. No, I didn't. Yes, you absolutely did. So what the first movie shows is that Elsa has these extraordinary powers that no one really understands in her human world, right? Yeah. And they don't really understand why she has them or where they've come from.

And, yes, she steps into being queen, but she never looks that happy about it. And Anna had more of a story arc with her love interest, with like going on an adventure and kind of trying to help her sister and it's that beautiful energy. What arc in this in this one then yeah well well it was about being a supportive sister about exploring what happened in her past to her family she was really terrified for Anna she um Elsa she never wanted her to go an adventure and go out there into the unknown but Elsa knew that she had a higher calling. And Anna eventually then steps into being queen.

And she ends up, because she has the heart, she ends up being kind of like a natural leader. She loves people. She loves being around people. Whereas Elsa's character never really enjoyed being around people in that same way. She never related to people in the same way. But that was because she was freaked out by her powers.

No, no, yeah, more than that. But also understanding that she was completely different from the people around her. She finally found her place. And also they finally uncover the story of her parents, which is beautiful. So I totally disagree. I loved every element of this and the whole connection to the planet

and the world that they live in and the environment and the references to climate change. I thought were beautiful. I thought the references to love and to grief when at one point in the story Anna thinks that Elsa is dead and that Olaf the snowman is also dead and she has this beautiful kind of moment and this beautiful song about what it is to grieve for someone that you love. It's amazing.

The themes are fantastic. There's also some comedy in it. Yeah, but they're not dead, are they? I really liked the sort of bringing in the forest people and then uncovering that secret. I just thought it was a beautiful story arc with a lot of deep themes in it and I thought it really extended both their characters. Anna finally finds her place.

Elsa finally gets to completely let her go. She becomes like her. She did that in the first movie. No, she didn gets to completely let her go. She becomes like her. She did that in the first movie. No, she didn't though. She didn't. She half sort of found her powers, but you never got the feeling that she wanted to be queen. I did.

No. I got the sense that she mastered her powers and realised that family and community were important. Yeah, and she still does, but it doesn't really ever make sense. Also, they retcon Anna's character because the reason in the first movie that she's like, she's kissed crazy for boys, she's bloody loving it, it's because she's been held up in the castle for however long or whatever. And in this one, it's just retconned to when she was a kid,

she was like, she always wanted to kiss a prince or whatever, that was always the thing that she wanted to be. Also, maybe one of their parents is alive because they find the boat. Also, the bad guy is some dude from like 30 fucking years ago who you never meet. It's just revealed like, oh, my God, it was this guy the whole time. Who cares? Who is this guy?

It doesn't matter. I completely disagree with you. This is the first time we've had a full-blown argument about a film. I doubt that. I totally, I can't believe that you didn't see it. They completely fumbled it. This is the first time we've had a full-blown argument about a film. I doubt that. I totally, I can't believe that you didn't see it. They completely fumbled it. Oh my God,

you are insane. This is the most beautiful touching movie I've seen in so long. And what's Kristoff's arc? Kristoff's arc is, this must sound ridiculous to people who haven't seen Frozen,

but that means they did really well. We've had the biggest argument we've ever had about anything on this show about an animation. Kristoff's arc, right,

is that he wants to propose and he can't because he's like, and again, I like all these characters. I think they're really good performances. I think that's a really clever way because obviously the next progression for them is to get married. Sure. But where's the tension? And so there's a lot of tension in that.

Where's the tension? Because he's just eventually going to ask and she's going to say yes. There's no tension. No, but. And then he just disappears for like a third of the movie and then he just turns up at the end and he's like, hey. No, that's not true. That's exactly what happens.

What you see is that he's super dependable and no matter what she, even though he sometimes gets it wrong and says the wrong thing, he's always there for her. And I think that's a really beautiful relationship. And it shows as well. It's so different. I think one of the reasons that maybe you're missing Christoph's arc is because in so many films for my entire childhood,

it has been the woman who has been the support person of the adventurer. Sure. And so like Princess Jasmine gets to be like, oh, Aladdin, save me. Oh, you're amazing. I don't know. And I just think that so often women get to be the support role. And, yes, their story arc is not – Christophe's story arc isn't particularly amazing,

but he's this supportive character through the whole film, and I think that's wonderful. And in so many other films of my childhood like this, that's the role of the woman. Yeah, that's not the problem. And I love that they've turned it on its head. That's not the problem with the character that I had. I liked it when he turned up at the end and he was like,

what do you need? I'm here for you. That was great. Exactly. But that was not what it was building up towards. He was like, ooh, how am I going to propose? Ooh. Like, why would she leave you?

What are you talking about? Because he's like a big bumbly and he's getting his own. No. No. Bad. I liked the existential crisis of the snowman. Yeah, I know because he's growing up and getting older. It was beautiful.

Oh, my God. This does sound like social nonsense. Like, honestly, it was fine because there's growing up and getting older. It was beautiful. Oh, my God, this does sound like social nonsense. Like, honestly, it was fine because there's some good stuff in it, but I just find that the world is so weirdly inconsistent and there's so much missed and squandered potential here for like an interesting universe. They completely fumble it. Again, the powers of nature are a water horse,

a lizard that catches things on fire, a woman who shoots ice, and the wind. What? They're just symbolic of earth, wind and fire. No, I get it. I get it. Which are the elements. What else do you want?

And they had to – I don't know, some consistency? Obviously it's a children's film, so they're creating them into interesting characters. Kristen Bell posted on her Instagram that she thought that this film was a really important and beautiful and very special movie event for families to see. And I completely and totally agree with her. Well, she's in it, so that hardly counts because this is kind of,

they're contractually obligated to say these things about these movies. I know, I know, but I follow her on Instagram and she wouldn't just say that for no reason. You're right, you're absolutely right. But I completely agree. I think it is a really, really special film. People are 100% genuine about this thing. And the themes in it are really beautiful. I think it is a really, really special film. It's 100%. People are 100% genuine about this thing. And the themes in it are really beautiful.

I think all of the characters grow in different ways. And I really like the world that they've built. I think it's awesome. Shut up, you old man. Well, I think it's bullshit. You old Grinch. You're the Grinch of Frozen now as well. They're not even properly, they don't even develop them as like this sisterly relationship.

The lesson is that they separate and the one who leaves to go on her own adventure is right. Even though the point of the first movie is that they're supposed to do these things together, but she runs off to kill herself, essentially. And if her sister didn't figure it out, she just would have been frozen there forever. Who, by the way, as I mentioned, she's like,

okay, you gotta go. Just puts her in an ice river and just sends her down nearly to her death. She's trying to look after her. But she wasn't. She just sent her down the hill on an ice. You could have put up an ice wall. I don't know. It's ridiculous.

It's a ridiculous film. It's not ridiculous. I would love to know from suggestible listeners, please tweet us or Instagram us at suggestiblepod about Frozen 2 and what you thought because I think Jimmy over there is totally wrong. All right, let's get over this. Totally wrong. I'm so mad at you now.

I'm actually mad at you over Frozen 2. I'm mad at you about this than about the fact you leave your socks on the floor in the bedroom all the time. Oh, my goodness, Claire. What a bloody husband and wife situation. I know. Well, I'm mad at you for leaving the toilet seat up. That's right.

I never do that. Always. Listeners, I never do that. Gross. Moving right along. Can I talk about my thing now? Oh, please. Hi, this is Katnett Unfiltered. If you know us, then you know that we do almost everything together. So accommodating seven kids and seven adults on vacation can be challenging. So we Airbnb it. And if you have a spare room in your house, you can Airbnb it. It's that simple. You can even Airbnb your whole house while you are away.

You could be sitting on an Airbnb and not even know it. Whether you could use extra money to cover some bills or for something a little more fun, your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.ca slash host. Find out how much at airbnb.ca slash host. All right. Okay. So you know how I've promised that I will talk about a Christmas thing each week? Felt more like a threat than a promise, but yeah, go on.

Okay. Well, I want to talk about a movie called Last Christmas. Oh, Last Christmas. Is that an Emilia Clarke one? I gave you my heart. Yeah, last Christmas. Is that Amelia Clarke one? I gave you my heart. Yeah, it is. So it's starring Amelia Clarke as Kate and Tom is the romantic lead and he's played by Henry Golding from Crazy Rich Asians and also Amelia Clarke's boss is Michelle Yeoh from Crazy Rich Asians as well.

It's written by Emma Thompson and Brony Kimmings. So I don't know if I've ever seen anything written by Emma Thompson before. I don't know. She's the screenwriter. But she's also the producer. And Paul Feig did it as well. Yeah, and Emma Thompson also plays Kate's mother as well in this and quite hilariously.

Very good. Okay, so it's been canned by a lot of critics. Everybody hates this movie. It's got like 47% on Rotten Tomatoes. I went and saw it with some girlfriends and I have to say I bloody loved it. I laughed, I cried. What did your girlfriend say to that? It was a joy.

It's not as good as Love Actually. It's not like an iconic romantic comedy, but it's just fun and silly. There's some really funny moments. It's also kind of touching. And the soundtrack as well is based on who, Kenny, yes. George Michael. Yes, correct. I just want to quickly say she's written Emma Thompson's Sense and Sensibility,

both Nanny McFrie movies she did the screenplay or written by. Did she really? Bridget Jones' Baby. Yeah, yeah. So there you go. Really? I love all those films. Oh, my goodness.

No wonder I like this. I really love Sense and Sensibility. She's brilliant. I have not seen this, so I can't comment on whether or not it'd be good or bad. 46%, whatever. Yeah. But, look, I think there's nothing wrong with, like, a saccharine earnest Christmas movie, and if you like those things.

It's no Frozen 2, which is an absolute fumble. Yeah, so we're not going to have an argument. Oh, my God. You know what? If I saw this movie. The soundtrack of Frozen 2 alone is so great. The soundtrack is not as strong as the first movie. No, the music is fantastic.

You were listening to it today, I said to you. Yeah, me and our son were bloody listening to it. Yeah, I know. It's good. There's some good stuff and there's a great, like, 80s power ballad that Kristoff does. Oh, my gosh. I think that let it go kind of knockoff song isn't as good.

No, I think it's great. There is some good songs. And I like that they tried some different songs in this, in the Frozen 2. Anyway, you were talking about Frozen. Last Christmas, yeah. So if you just want to go and see a ridiculous Christmas movie that's romantic and funny and has some great performances

and Emma Thompson plays a really comedic character, I would totally recommend this. Sounds like Love Actually Light. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would agree with that. Sounds like Love Actually Light. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would agree with that. It's not as good as Love Actually. But I do really like that they've made some really weird choices in the script.

Like there's just some really unexpected lines and some quite odd and strange things. You know how we love that when the pacing is a little bit unexpected? Even though the film is fairly, like, you know, it plods along and it takes a few interesting turns, but really, you know, it's a romantic comedy. Sure. But, yeah, the script in itself is quite delicious and I loved it and there's a lot of, like, snow and it's set in London,

so it's all like Christmas in London and I bloody love that because we have, like, a sweltering Christmas of 40 degrees Celsius. The way I like it. With a barbecue and a salad. So, you know, it's all good. We still do our Christmas trees and Christmas putties. Anyway, very exciting. So that's my recommendation.

Onwards and upwards or downwards as I feel this whole thing is going. Oh, it's definitely going to go downwards. You're furrowing your brow. No, I'm just getting old. I'm just going to permanently furrowed brow. You're just turning into an old boot. An old leathery boot. I don't mind. Called the Grinch.

Called the Grinch. If you were being sold in a store. This is why you like Frozen, because you don't understand metaphors. I always confuse and mix up my metaphors actually all the time. You don't understand subtext and metaphors. I do. No, you don't. What are you talking about? Anyways, speaking of Emma Thompson,

this is a series that we were recommended by a friend, Kerry. It's called Years and Years. It's been out for a while now, though. It's only just been released here on SBS. It's a HBO and BBC miniseries. And it's written by and directed by a lot of it by Russell T. Davis, who you might know as the person, the guy who revived Doctor Who in 2005. Yes, and David Tennant.

He wrote the season with David Tennant, which is my favourite Doctor Who. Not all of them, but he did – oh, did he do all of them? He started with Christopher Eccleston and then he did most, if not all, of the Tennant stuff. Yeah, he also did Queer as Folk, Bob and Rose, the second coming Casanova. I remember Casanova. That was a David Tennant, another David Tennant series. Yeah, and the trilogy Cuc Folk, Bob and Rose. Yes. The second coming Casanova. I remember Casanova. That was a David Tennant, another David Tennant series.

Yeah, and the trilogy Cucumber, Tofu and Banana, which I never watched but apparently is quite good. He's gay, I didn't realise. Yes, he is, yeah. So a lot of his shows explore LGBTQI themes. Yes. And Years and Years also does. Absolutely it does.

So it's basically, it starts in the year 2019. It stars Emma Thompson and let's just say a british cast and it's basically a black mirror-esque family drama it's like six episodes it's done but it goes from 2019 kind of upwards to maybe 2032 2035 so it takes like things that are that are now, issues in society that look like they could become bigger issues. We're talking like global warming or climate change, like fluctuations in general, immigration, automation, election tampering, you know, tariffs and trade wars turning into blossoming and potentially real wars, cybercrime,

all these kinds of things. And just like, and it also just tracks, interestingly, alongside kind of the political instability. And there's very, there's sort of a lot that harks to Boris Johnson at the moment. And, you know, and his leadership in England at the moment and Donald Trump as well. So it opens with Donald Trump basically being re-elected too.

So there's kind of time jumps, which I think work really, really well. The script is just excellent. It's just an excellently created script. What I find really interesting though is they have those big themes of like political instability and climate change and where are we all headed and all of those things and the world is burning and, you know, just racism and they look a lot at refugees and immigration and how that's affecting Britain.

But alongside that they have really just interesting kind of snippets of what's happening in tech and in like the medical profession. People are getting their bodies augmented and things like that. Drones are replacing jobs and automation like checkouts and they have all discussions about that kind of stuff. Yeah, and it's quite interesting to see how the tech kind of changes. Like even over that 15-year span where they start from with, you know, everyone has an iPhone to where the tech kind of heads into kind

of being a Siri-like kind of robot in the house or like a station, like a Google Home, and then it becomes kind of tech that's just in the walls. And they have this kind of great way of moving the story along because really it focuses on one family. Other than the Emma Thompson character, the central characters are all the Lyons family. But it's really the Emma Thompson character, we should point out, who's like the Boris Johnson-esque Prime Minister who starts

as kind of a joke and she'll say anything. Vivian Rook. Yeah, she's a bit of a doofus or whatever. And the reason she becomes famous initially is because they ask her about some issue overseas and she just goes, I don't give a fuck, whatever. Yeah, I want my bins collected from the council. Yeah, and, you know, as somebody like it's really easy to fall into that because when I heard that part of me it was like, yeah, who gives a fuck?

Like if it's not happening directly in front of me, what do I care? But that's not the way you should live your life because just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it's not important. Or that it couldn't happen to you. And I think the themes of that in this as well that show that the events that start to happen to the Lyons family, you kind of start to see glimpses and get an understanding of what it's really like to be in countries like Syria or Ukraine where there is political instability. And at one point one of the characters says, I didn't realise we were in a pause.

We thought that we'd figured everything out in the West and actually we were just in a pause where things were lovely and happy and glorious and we were in a bubble and now we're headed back into what most of the rest of the world has been experiencing, which is political instability and, you know, a downturn in the economy. Because that's the other thing they explore is the sort of effects of Trump on the global economy and then on the UK and what that does

to the banks. What I think is really interesting about the Emma Thompson character as well is because you can't really tell at first whether she is stupid or not or she's just doing it which is which is like a big thing about boris johnson is because he kind of he purposefully makes himself like this kind of buffoon of a human being and he's like he doesn't care and he's just one of the people yeah he's a he's a millionaire like not not genius but he's he's smarter than you think and he's doing these things intentionally like the stories about how if he how if he goes to talk at like a conference

or whatever, before he goes out, he'll like ruffle up his hair, do you know what I mean? So he'll come in kind of flustered, you know what I mean? Like that kind of situation. Yeah, one of the podcasts I listened to, Annabelle Crabb, was talking about how she met a journalist who was a friend of hers. Like he went to Eton College. So, you know, he's very well read, very well educated, highly connected,

but he acts like he's every man. And it's a whole act. She said she saw him come one minute in before he was to give this big speech at like a trade, I don't know, some kind of. Union speech was it? Yeah, he was addressing like a big dinner where there were sort of people in transport and everyone was panicking because he was the keynote speaker

and he was one minute before no one had seen him and he just comes running in, right, right, what are we talking about? Oh, transport. Oh, what do you mean? Oh, I don't know. Oh, I better just get up there. And then he kind of just like ruffles his hair up, gets up on the stage, tie a skew and kills it, does this like killer speech.

And everyone's kind of like floored and sweating bullets and like, I can't believe he did that. But then the same journalist said like five years later, he was at another dinner of like a different industry and Boris did the exact same thing. Turned up one minute before, did the whole act, got up there and killed it. People see it as like endearing and, you know, and just one of us, but really it's clearly seems to be put on.

Yeah, and they kind of explore that in this world. There's some really heart-wrenching moments. Yeah. It should come with a bit of a warning. Oh, definitely, yeah. There's some really, really quite dark moments in the show. It's basically like everything, oh, no, everything that probably me and you, depending on what kind of things you fear,

but everything that you suspect that is terrible and could happen, like kind of eventually unfolds in this movie. And it's interesting, the movie Tivish. It's interesting because it's how it creeps in. Like it's not all at once. It's not like fascism isn't like overnight. It's inches. You know what I mean?

It's bit by bit. You lose a little bit of freedom here, a bit of there, you know. Weird thing happens here. You know what I mean? Like this person gets in. You know, you lose, you know, this particular market crashes, this war breaks out and all of a sudden you turn around. The banks close and suddenly you've lost like some, one of the characters sells his home and then loses all the money and it's just, and it's just because the banks close and there's nothing they can do.

And then they start segregating off areas. So there's curfews put in place and, yeah, it kind of unravels that way. But other than all of this, what I think actually makes this show is that the characters are so endearing. Yes. You just love them like very, very quickly you become really attached and invested in all of the characters. And they're not all great, you know what I mean, and most of them, say all of them have like negative qualities,

which is what makes them interesting, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. I think the cast is really great. Rory Kinnear, Russell Tovey, Jessica Hines, Ruth Madeleine, Anne Reid play the Lyons family and Tania Miller as Celeste Bismarck-Lyons is the character Stephen's wife and she's brilliant in it too. Yeah, she's great. And Maxim Baldry.

She's a grandma? No, he's the Ukrainian refugee. Oh, yeah. Victor. Yeah, right. And he ends up being in a relationship with Russell Tovey's character and that relationship I think is just so beautiful. I don't know if I've seen a TV show like that that depicts such like a strong

love story between two male characters. I mean I know I'm sure there's lots of TV shows but I just haven't seen one done like that before. And Russell Trophy's character is just so endearing and funny and great. I think if there is one kind of flaw with it is that, And I just, Russell Trophy's character is just so endearing and funny and great. And I really, really like him. I think if there is one kind of flaw with it is that the way it kind of wraps up, it's a bit kind of like, it's a bit Doctor Who. It's a bit kind of last minute play to save the day kind of situation.

You know what I mean? I think it doesn't really, I think the tone of the ending doesn't necessarily fit everything else that's kind of been going on. That being said, it's still very satisfying. I guess it's not, you wouldn't consider it realistic considering the things that come before it. Well, because we've compared it to Black Mirror, right? Yeah, I would say it's not as far-fetched as most Black Mirror, but it's definitely in that kind of ballpark.

Ballpark, yeah. Yeah, and I guess why I'm saying that is because some of the Black Mirrors just really end badly. Yes. And they just finish badly. Yeah, and it's not to say that everything in this kind of wraps up neatly because it certainly doesn't. No, no.

But, yeah, I wondered where they were going to go with it because I feel I don't want to spoil anything but there are moments in the story where you think it could go lots of different ways and are they going to make the bold choice to make a statement and say the world is burning and we're doomed? Or are they going to go in a different direction? How are they going to kind of finish this? It feels like there's going to be another series though.

Apparently there's not. I was looking into it. I don't think there needs to be. I think the way they left it is good. I think the British kind of are good at cutting things off. Without overdoing it. Generally. Beating – like killing them, beating a dead horse. Generally, not always. Beating a dead horse.

You know what's interesting though? Tomato sauce, mate. I kind of – I didn't realise it was Russell T Davies. It did feel to me though at moments like this feels like Doctor Who-esque. There's a particular arc of Doctor Who where the master who's like his old nemesis who's also a Time Lord kind of returns and it's over a few episodes and it's just like he just gets like beaten down like again and again and again

and then there is this like Hail Mary play at the end which kind of, like it feels like you can definitely see like, you can feel the kind of Russell T Davies in it. In it. Yeah. I mean I just, I mean what I loved about the David Tennant character in Doctor Who was the script was so great. Yeah, and he's terrific.

Yeah, and there's something in this that I loved. And also they could bring him back not only through time travel but also they made a human replica of that version of Doctor Who and he lives in a parallel dimension with Rose, meaning that they could bring him back down the line and it would make sense for that character age in real time because he's no longer a Time Lord. He has human DNA.

That's all I'm saying. I used to watch a lot of Doctor Who. I've been off it for about five years now. All right, nerd and mixed dude. We've got time. I just wanted to quickly reference something that reminded me of the years and years because I wanted one more go because you know how we're supposed to get to it.

Hey, man, no worries. So I was given recently by a relative of mine a book called Love is Strong as Death. It's just been released. It's by one of my favorite musicians, Paul Kelly. It's excellent and it's a collection of mine, a book called Love is Strong as Death. It's just been released. It's by one of my favourite musicians, Paul Kelly. It's excellent and it's a collection of poems. So it's actually not, the poems aren't written by him. He's just collected all his favourite poems.

He's just stapled a bunch of stuff together. No worries, Matt. I should release a book of poems too. No, because I think poetry, I know you don't like poetry, but I think some- I'm not, what? How dare you? You're always banging on at me about how it doesn't make sense and you don't like it.

That is not true. And I love poetry. Anyway- I'm not saying it's poetry. All right. Anyway, what I like about this is that it kind of gives you a really- Like poetry. Way to shit all over my dreams, mate.

You bloody old boot. Sorry, go on. You're talking about poetry. I can't now because you called it poetry. Just don't think about that when you're reading your favourite passage. I know. You've released a story. And now you're going to feel bad because I've chosen this poem

that he put in his anthology which is like really reminiscent of years and years and now I can't read it. You can read it. Anyway, but the reason I'm recommending this is because it's a beautiful gift, I reckon, for Christmas because the poems in it aren't just sort of those staid old ones. So there are E.E. Cummings and, you know, even Shakespeare's in here and Walt Whitman, all of the older English poets and other poets that are, you know, very famous. But there's also just a lot of poems that are quite short. There are Korean poems in here.

There are different translations. Mary Oliver is in here, who is one of my other favorite poets. And they're just really accessible. And they're kind of the poems that really punch you in the guts. He says on the back, poetry is deep play. It's comfort. It's challenge, just like a friend. And it's the kind of book you can dip in and out of. Anyway, one of the poems that I wanted to recommend after watching years and years is a poem called Home. And it begins, no one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark. You only run for the border when you see the whole city running as well. Have you heard that poem? No, I haven't heard that.

It's amazing. I won't read the whole thing. It's too long, but I'll just leave you with the end of it. It's by Warson Shear. Sure. I want to go home, but home is the mouth of a shark. Home is the barrel of a gun. And no one would leave home unless home chased you to the shore,

unless home tells you to leave what you could not behind, even if it's human. No one leaves home until home is a damp voice in your ear saying, leave, run now, I don't know what I've become. Ooh, dramatic. Very uplifting. I liked it when they were screaming at each other about Frozen too. I know.

Anyway, but it's just a really spectacular poem and I think that really captures the refugee kind of crisis in lots of ways and trying to get that empathy in. Ears and Ears has a lot of themes on that. The other one I want to read to you very quickly, I know we have to finish, it's called Asking the Way. And I just, there's something about it that I thought you might like. I'll be the judge of things that I like. It's by Ko An, translated by Suji Kwok Kim. And it goes like this. You fools who ask what God is,

should ask what life is instead. Find a port where lemon trees bloom. Ask about places to drink in the port. Ask about the drinkers. Ask about the lemon trees. Ask and ask until nothing's left to ask. No, I won't do any of that, but I appreciate the advice. I don't have any questions about God or lemon trees today, but you know, if I know, if I do, I'll do whatever. All right. Well, I like that because I thought that's great. Just laugh and look at your bloody lemon trees and enjoy them. Okay, this is the one for you. It's by the same author, Ko An,

and it's the shortest poem in the whole book. Are you ready? Oh, God, I hope it is. It goes like this, and I'll say it in your voice. I didn't die waking up, I hear that. That's it. That's the whole poem. Yeah, great. Great poem. Not a poem. That's the whole poem. Yeah, great.

Great poem. Not a poem. That you bloody grinch. It's a sentence. No, a poem can be one line. Have you ever not heard of a haiku, you uncouth old dude? You call it a poetry for God's sake. Anyway, I love that.

I didn't die waking up, I hear that. And that makes me think of you every morning waking up going, what is that comedian that talks about? Life is every day or whatever. Yeah, life is every single day. I prefer that to whatever that crap was. Anyway, it's Love is Strong as Death and it's a beautiful book. People, other than the Grinch of Christmas over there.

I can appreciate that. But listen. Can you? Can you appreciate anything? I don't know. I struggle. You can appreciate your pun about poetry. If people want to appreciate this podcast,

they can because you can give it a five-star review or whatever review you want really. This is from Jay Serback. It says, adorable and hilarious. I find the banter between the two hosts quite lovely. Maybe not this week. It was bloody knives out this week. You know what I'm talking about?

I've already got three things to check out and I just started listening. Thanks for the Weekly Planet for tuning me onto this. The Weekly Planet podcast, I highly recommend that one. It's well worth a listen. It's also much more popular. By like, oh, my God, by many hundreds of thousands of downloads. Yeah, but look, just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. I mean, weren't we just talking about that?

Yeah, Frozen 2. Political, political piece. I was going to say Frozen 2, yeah. You know, people voted in Trump and look where that's got everybody. Hey, everybody's got their reasons, man. I don't begrudge anybody. Anyway, life isn't a popularity contest. Things needed to change.

I don't think that's the answer necessarily, but I understand the reasonings behind it. All right. Go and check out the weekly planet or the weekly planet of poo. Oh, that's poor, Claire. Even by your standards, that's quite poor. I'm tired. It's late.

But I still got you. No. No, I didn't. Not really. All right. Well, I'm going to give quite poor. I'm tired. It's late. But I still got you. No. No, I didn't. Not really. All right. Well, I'm going to give a recommendation. Like if that's, you got me in that sense. Like I don't feel good about what happened,

but it's not because I feel down on myself. I feel bad for you. Of course you feel bad. You always feel bad about everything. Yes. So the man can't laugh. He's laughing now. I got a recommendation from Fidel Reyes from the great Facebook group.

Admin, you're a ledge mate. The Peanut Butter Falcon. It's a movie. I wanted to say this, yeah. It's Shia LaBeouf's character goes on the run with a Down Syndrome man who has dreams of becoming a wrestler. They're both running from something and bond as their journey goes on. It's a wholesome friendship and story.

Thank you so much, Fidel. That sounds awesome. The buff is back on track, it would say. Yeah. Yeah, correct. I'm really down with that. All right. If you have a recommendation or a suggestion or a comment to make,

please tweet us at suggestiblepod. You can go onto Instagram at suggestiblepod. You can go on Facebook. You can also email us at contactplanetbcasting.com because I answer that or just email through the website. Or you can chuck it in the great mates group as well, the Planet Broadcasting great mates. We would love that.

Definitely. Thank you as always to Raw Collings for editing this, particularly James's, drivel. Drivel? How dare you? I'm being so mean tonight. I'm sorry. I'm insightful in many ways.

I mean, you just broke my heart when I was trying to get all deep and meaningful and recite poetry to you. Look, you think I'm going to sit here and let that slide? What kind of person do you think you're married to? Yeah, I know who I'm married to. The Grinch of everything, of Christmas. Yes. All right, we're done.

It's over. It's finally bloody over. Is it forever? I don't think so. We'll be back next week. We'll be back next week. Bye. Bye.

This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want. It's up to you. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts, an Uber account for your teen with always-on enhanced safety features. Your teen can request a ride when you can't take them. You'll get real-time notifications along the way. Your teen feels the sense of independence.

You can follow their entire route on a live tracking map. Your teen will get assigned a top-rated driver. You'll get peace of mind. Uber Teen Accounts. Invite your teen to join your Uber account today. Available in select locations. See app for details.