Suggestible - The Wonder

Episode Date: November 24, 2022

Suggestible things to watch, read and listen to. Hosted by James Clement @mrsundaymovies and Claire Tonti @clairetonti.This week’s Suggestibles:06:36 The Wonder20:36 The Seven Skins of Esther Wilding by Holly Ringland25:42 Loco Love Chocolates28:57 Strange World34:29 The Good Sports by Cody HendleySend your recommendations to [e-mail], we’d love to hear them.You can also follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook @suggestiblepod and join our ‘Planet Broadcasting Great Mates OFFICIAL’ Facebook Group. So many things. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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What do you say all the time? You stink. What? It's rude. It's a rude thing to say. I also say I can't find my glasses. I have a rant before we get started. This is Suggestible Podcast, a podcast where we recommend you things

and watch, read, and listen to. My name is Claire Tonti. James Clement is there also. We are married. James Clement's show, The Weekly Planet, came fourth in the listener's choice and he is mad about it. I'm mad about it, Claire. I'm not mad at listeners.

You should have tried harder. I'm mad at myself. I should have tried harder. You should have tried harder. Next year, depending on where my level of energy is at, I'm going to fucking steamroll this thing. You said that last year. I know, but this time I'm going to do it for real.

And then this time when I suggested we do it, you were like, I don't really want to do it. I was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like thank you for voting. And by the way, thank you for voting. Fourth is amazing. It's actually amazing. Yeah. If you're someone out there, because we didn't put suggestible up either

because we were like, let's do the Weekly Planet this year. And thank you so much to everyone. Like it is amazing to me how many people in the Australian media landscape see your podcast even fourth and is like, because it's with like these big radio personalities and like actual celebrities. I know. And my point is Australian celebrities. No, but even on my Instagram people are like, what?

Yeah. So what I'm going to do next year. No one here knows anything about you. For real, if I can be bothered, depending on where I'm at, levels of energy, I'm going to put it in every fucking YouTube video. I'm going to fucking flood the internet with it and I'm going to win and I'm not going to go. And then people will just be like, what is this?

I'm going to go because I don't know why you have such a bone to pick with the podcast industry. They're all just trying their best. They put on an event and everyone got to dress up and go and you're such a poo-poo about it that I didn't even end up going. I mean, also. No, you didn't go because it was in Sydney. I also didn't want to get COVID because COVID's around again.

Not to bring the mood down. But it's loomed around our particular neck of the woods again. And people are pretending it's not happening, but then everyone seems to be getting it. Everyone's getting it. But no one's wearing masks. I don't know. It's like really strange to me and so I'm really nervous about going

into big public spaces when I don't have to, especially because I'm making a music video. Oh, my God, Claire. And are you ready to do your dance routine? We've got a Jennifer. Actually. I was going to say Jennifer Lawrence. No, I'm going to Beyonce it.

All the single ladies? All the single ladies. You are correct. And actually, I know you're making fun of me, but I am a Kraken dancer. You're a better dancer than, say, the other person in this room. You dance only with your shoulders. That's all you need, baby. You have no rhythm in your hips.

I've got plenty of rhythm in my hips. I just save it up for special occasions. I'm yet to see it. But I'm waiting for the special occasion. Well, it's not for you, Claire. Anyway, let's recommend some things. Good luck on your, no, she's not. Good luck on your musical quest this week. Oh, thank you. I'm on a musical quest. Who knows? I will say just, I'm not going to say anything else about the video clip because it is for the single I'm releasing in December. But I am making, and I said this to the director,

and then immediately it was like I'm the lamest person alive. I said I want Melbourne to be a character. Boo! That's my least favourite thing that people say about movies. They're like New York's like a character in this movie. Fuck you. Not you specifically, but just anybody who says that. So I guess that means you.

But I love that. But she's like, you're just a character. New Orleans is like a character in itself. This down in Belfast, it's like a character. Shut up. Okay, so I am well aware of how corny that is, except I bloody love when they make a place the character. I hope they.

But it's not a character. It's a setting, Claire. It's a setting. All right. Well, anyway, you know what I not a character. It's a setting, Claire. It's a setting. All right. Well, anyway, you know what I mean, though. It's a turn of phrase. I want to give it a real Melbourne flavour. That's slightly better.

I don't like it though. Okay, I will say this. I really love it. That's why I really liked Bad Sisters because I loved the scenery, the Irish scenery. It was just stunning, right? A lot of people said that Ireland was the fifth sister. How many sisters were in the film?

There were five. Six sisters. I think sisters were in the film? There were five. Six sisters. I think there were five. No, there were five. Six. Anyway, yes, correct. I mean, Derry Girls, like where that's set, the location's amazing. Where is it set?

In Derry. I guess it is. I haven't seen it, but that sounds right. God damn it. And also Sex and the City. I love the fact that it like celebrates new york and one of my favorite australian to be shows offspring does a really good job of that of giving a real vibe of melbourne love in the show and so that is what i'm trying to create in the video clip

and i'm nervous that the 20 somethings that are making it with me are like we've got this really lame woman that's coming along on thursday But they're being really nice to me. Well, they would be because, you know, they're giving them money. Getting paid. So I guess they have to be. Yeah. No, we're going to make some cool art. It's going to be fun. What an adventure.

Fun times. What an adventure. Yeah. Fun times. Well, I hope you don't get overshadowed by our beautiful city of Melbourne, Claire. And if I did, she's a grand old dame. I'm just asking her politely to not rain, which is a tough ask. Who knows at this point, Claire.

Who knows? Anyway. You don't like the weather, bloody white five minutes. Bloody white five minutes, you're like, of different weather. Seriously, the weather at the moment, it's almost like something's happening globally. Yeah, I've heard friends say to me who don't believe in climate change, like, what's going on with the weather? It never hails this much. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Who fucking knows? It's a mystery. I know. It's November and it feels like winter here who knows people will always throw in your face if they're anti fucking climate

change or whatever they'll be like you know they thought there was going to be an ice surge in the 70s or whatever and it's like yeah and then but the thing with science is it evolves and you learn new things so like yes people thought many things that are no longer accurate or true but if you look at all the data it's all pointing in a certain direction. And it's not global warming so much. It is climate change, Clay. It is different because it's not just getting hotter. It's just getting fucking wild.

And everybody is seeing it. It seems at the moment. Yes, that is a thousand percent it because it is changing. And if I'm wrong, well, then we just move to solar. Someone is listening to this. And there's less population and there's less like pollution and shit, so who cares? It's good either way.

Do you know what I'm envisioning? What if people are listening to this and we've transitioned to like no coal, fire, plants and all the things and it's just this like beautiful, quiet, serene future? No one's listening to this then. They'll be like, well, I want to listen to something horrible. It's serene. I want to listen to the sound of a bubbling brook.

Maybe they need some reprieve from their idealistic life. Maybe they do. They're like, what was it like when things were bad? Correct. Exactly. So on that note, what bad thing do you have to share with us? Not bad thing as in thing where bad things happen. Well, great.

That's great. I do actually have something for that this week, but you might like it. It's called The Wonder. It's directed by Sebastian Lelio. L-E-L-I-O. Lelio. So it's also written by him as well as Emma Donoghue and Alice Birch. It stars Florence Pugh, who you might be familiar with, Claire.

Just killing it, by the way, at the moment, having a real run. She's great. Killer Lord Cassidy, Tom Burke, among many others. So this is actually based on the 2016 novel by Emma Donoghue who said that while this story is entirely fictional, she was inspired by the fasting girls phenomenon which first appeared in the 16th century and was perhaps most prominent in the Victorian era.

And you might be like, what does that mean, Claire? So this is where the story is set. And in a way, the setting for this is one of the main characters because it's set in the Irish Midlands in 1862, and the story follows a young girl who stops eating but remains miraculously alive and well, right? English Nerf. English Nerf.

English Nerf. English Nerf gun. No, English Nurse Lib Wright played by Florence Pugh. Florence Pugh. I love saying her name like that. Florence Pugh. What a cool name. I know.

She's brought into the tiny village to observe the 11-year-old Anna O'Donnell played by Killer Lord Cassidy. Tourist and Pilgrim's master witnessed the girl who was said to have survived without food for months. So Florence Pugh's called in. She's a nurse. She's very reputable. And they're like, come and look's called in. She's a nurse. She's very reputable. And they're like, come and look at this girl. She hasn't been eating. We've been

watching her for four months. She hasn't eaten a damn thing. She's just had some sips of water every day and she's fine. Is this a miracle? Like the town elders, a bunch of dudes from the church and whatever, and the mayor are like, is this a miracle? Because we'd love it to be a miracle if it's a miracle. And Florence Pugh's like, I'll do it. I'll do it on Florence Pugh. And so it's this kind of exploration of like is this like a genuine miracle or is this something maybe that they've invented to, you know, to raise the profile of this horrible bog community, which seems to have some kind of bog-related economy.

I'm not sure about the Roy's digging up a bog. They're like, I've got to get back to the bog. And I should look into this but I'm like, what are you doing? What is a bog? Selling squares. It's like a marsh. It's like muddy and. Yeah, but what is it?

Is it a lake that has like got too much dirt in it? No, it's just like a soggy turf kind of thing. Maybe it's a rich soil situation. So is it more like a marsh, like a wetlands? Yeah, kind of, yeah. But a bog feels like it's worse. It's drier than a wetlands, I believe. All right.

It's a bog. And also drier than a marsh? Sorry, yeah, definitely drier than a marsh. Because a marsh is more a wetlands. It's true. So a bog. It probably goes marsh is more a wetlands. It's true. So bog. It probably goes bog, marsh, wetland. No, it's probably bog, wetlands, marsh.

I am going to throw a spanner in the works and say that wetlands is the umbrella. Okay, sure. And bog and marsh live under it. Oh, I like that idea, Claire. Yeah. I don't mind you throwing that out. I also feel like bog is muddier. Yeah, well, it's a muddy place.

Yeah, it's like very mud. You know, you look at the. It's like a little unimpressive. Yeah, well, it's a muddy place. Yeah, it's like very muddier. You know, you look at the – It's like a little unimpressive as well. No, it's impressive. You look at like the hems of their skirts and there's all bogs going on. So many bogs. God, you know when you look at a place, and I know it's obviously recreated, and what's fascinating about this is it opens in a modern-day

filming location in like a filming shed. What are they called? Whatever they're called. Studio. And there's just a bunch of lighting and rigs set up and whatever and they turn it around and then it just pulls into a set. So there's a number of like fourth-wall breaks during this to remind you that like, hey, this is a movie.

Hey, this is a story. And that kind of ties into like what's going on in the thing. That's clever. Yeah, I like it. At first I'm like, what is happening? Like it's just such a strange kind of, because it's entirely set in this era. It's not like it cuts to the modern day. Then they're like, let's all get an espresso.

They don't get a single espresso. They're just eating bog. Do they have any comedians with cars getting coffee? Nobody's doing that. No one's doing that. They're just eating bog. Do they have any comedians with cars getting coffee? Nobody's doing that. No one's doing that. They're just digging in a bog. There's no two comedians sitting in a car and being like, you can't say anything anymore.

And now we're at the White House. And they're right, Claire. They're right. You can't say a goddamn thing. You can say so many things. You can say literally anything. I mean, apparently everyone can now they're on Twitter again. All the dudes that were off it are now back on it.

They're all back. Thank God. Good God. That's off it are now back on it. They're all back. Thank God. Good God. That's what I love about Twitter. Okay. I will say I've discovered the difference in my head between a bog and a marsh. Correct me if I'm wrong if someone is a bog expert. Okay.

I feel like a bog is kind of a bog expert. A bog is gross. A marsh is a little more romantic. Nah, bogs. Marshes are gross. I'd rather fall in a bog. What? No. Bogs are way boggier. The word bog is a little more romantic. Nah, bogs, marshes are gross. You know I'm a fool and I'd rather fall in a bog. What? No, bogs are way boggier.

The word bog is a gross word. The word marsh, it's sort of like it's reminiscent of Marsha from the Ready Bunch and also just like wandering around the moors, you know? I understand that. It's more romantic. It's more weathering heights. I just wrote, I wrote, make money off a bog. Like what are they doing?

And they're like, do you mean 25 ways to make money from your blog? No. Google bog. Google bog. I want to see a bog and then I want to see a marsh. This is like the age old thing that we did the other week where I was like, Google, what's his face saying? Baby.

Bebe. Bebe. Bebe. Bebe. Bebe. Bebes. In Ireland, bogs are found along mountain slopes of the west coast throughout the Midlands, the Wicklow Mountains and a few small patches around the north. There are several different types of bog found around the world, but in Ireland, two types are commonly found are raised bogs and blanket bogs.

Oh, two different types. Interesting. All right. What about marshes?ogs. Oh. Two different types. Interesting. All right. What about marshes? That's a different one. The same. Maybe it's the same word. I don't know.

They probably said it in the movie. All right. This is getting horribly boring. We're getting bogged down. Come on. It's not that funny. You need to settle down, all right? No, that was real.

You massively overreacted there. No, it was really good. You need to reel it back in. If you're going to make a cool music video, you can't be doinged then you need to reel it back in if you're gonna make a cool music video you can't be doing like this it'll play it cool it was really good it was so good it was not good it was great uh anyway so it's about a number of things it's about guilt it's about religion it's about like where you're standing as a woman is in an in this era what is your worth you know how do people see you how do you present yourself how do you navigate a world

where it's just old men with beards being like i don't like this you know uh so it's about it's about abuse it's about fanaticism um it's about yeah knowing your own worth it's about escaping you know situations that you that you are trapped in it's about knowing your own worth. It's about escaping situations that you are trapped in. It's about all of these different things, which I can't really go into without spoiling it. And the point of the movie isn't so much what's going on. I mean, because it is revealed at a point, what's happening, you know what I mean? Is this a miracle or whatever? But it's more about the situation that everybody is in and the hopelessness of it and how do you escape something like this, you know? And if you do escape it, what are the consequences of doing

that? Because, you know, you're in a terrible era where everything's a bog and that's bad news. But like it's frustrating and sort of liberating at the same time, you know. It kind of walks this line. It's very low-key, you know. It's kind of high-stakes, kind of low-key. Not high-stakes like there's going to be a bog explosion, but just more like I hope some of those people are all right, you know, considering the circumstances. But, of course, Florence Pugh and Killer Lord Cassidy,

fantastic together. She plays an 11-year-old girl and Florence Pugh plays the nurse. Terrific, amazing, very, very good. It's on Netflix at the moment which means it will probably be there for a little bit at the very least unless Disney buys it or something. And I think it is having a select run in cinemas. But I think you would like it. I think you should watch it.

All right. I actually will watch that because that's right up my alley. Yeah. Definitely. It's not fun though. You're not going to like it. No, no, no. But I really am interested in those themes because even as you were talking,

I felt like really sick to my stomach and I just have been thinking. Because of the bog? Because of the bog. Because being bogged down in the bog. No, because for the majority of history and I think in a lot of places, obviously not I think, I know in a lot of places for women that's still a reality that you have these old dudes running everything and that you have to kind of navigate your way around those rules

and parameters. And, you know, in America with the legislation that has come through, all of that stuff, I still think it's so present. Absolutely. And it's so present. Absolutely. And it's really depressing and sometimes terrifying to me to really think about that deeply and infuriating. I was speaking about this with a friend recently just about who we would be and what we would be like if we didn't grow up with the messaging

as women that we did through art era. Even with the whole like heroin chic is back and all of that. I hate heroin chic. I know. There's a great meme. Jamila Jamil, who I love is, is just on a war path about it.

And I love her for it. She's had eating disorders and, and is just really great in terms of advocating for body positivity. But she talks about how she wasn't there back, you know, when that came around the first time, but she's sure she's there now to fuck everything up for the diet industry. And I just can't get over how damaging the messaging was that I received

in the 90s about what my body should look like even. And that's not even an inch of what women are facing globally. This is sort of related, not really, but I'm watching, I watched Titanic for, and we talked about this because I'm doing it for upcoming. It's so good. Every time I watch it, I'm still like, I love this movie. It might be James Cameron's best movie, which is a crazy thing to say because he made Terminator and Terminator 2 and True Lies and The Abyss, which isn't that good, but other movies. And there was so much talk at the time of like, man, that Kate Winslet,

you know, look how fat she is or whatever. And it's just you're looking at her and it's like the last thing you would think. She's like a very obviously attractive, in shape person. It's crazy. And that's what happened. Like even J-Lo, the J-Lo documentary. Yeah, exactly.

The amount of press around her booty and then you watch that and the footage back and you go she has like a beautiful figure but it's just, you know, and a figure that is unattainable for most women. Absolutely. And what is going on about that? Like it's so strange. And if you look at, you know, the Gwyneth Paltrows at that time, even the Ally McBeals, those kind of big celebrities who were

real thin, they were so unwell. They had to be so unwell. They were, yeah. And it's like, there's diet pills and starving yourself. Yeah. It's just, it's so damaging. And you kind of get entrenched in that as a kid. And what that does to your self-esteem as you get older. And there's so much in it about control of our bodies and keeping women small and hungry and quiet. And it's just so sad, I think. And then I look at my daughter, who's this really free spirit. Yeah. And just the idea that I would put anything like that anywhere near her, you know, I just want her to be whoever she becomes. And I, I often think about that, about how many women

aren't allowed to flourish fully and maybe still are existing in that like diet bubble, the amount of energy that I think I've moved past it, but so many women spend just calorie counting in their head, particularly of my age. Absolutely, yeah. I wouldn't even use it as my age. Like that alone, that brain power that goes to that could be somewhere so much more, you know, to change the world. Anyway, I don't know how we got there but I would find that really fascinating to think about and watch.

I've just done a quick deep dive in why you would dig up a bunch of bog. And it's just like I finally got to the answer. Yes. But it was like I got this was like a Dutch expert, Irish bogs are extraordinarily valuable. I'm like, cool, why is that? And it's like bogs are associated with heavy, were associated with poverty in Ireland and as land they were unusable

for anything other than turf cutting. I'm like, ooh, turf cutting. Why is that? I saw that in a movie. What's that? It doesn't say. So I go around to another thing and I'm like, okay, turf cutting. And then I'm like, oh, can you still cut turf in Ireland?

Yeah, there's new regulations which came in effect at midnight. Is this turf for us? Yeah, it's just like, you know, like. Yeah. Ban the sale of turf, smoky coal and wet wood in shops and online. People with turf cutting rights will still be able to cut turf, use their own ore as a gift to others. And I'm like, what do you mean?

You're giving people like a bit of turf. So I went around a bit more and it turns out that it's also called peat and you can use it to burn in your home as a source of energy or light or heat or whatever. But it also releases carcinogenic vapours, toxic gases and small particles. So burning peat or turf or coal in your home can kill you, your family or your neighbours. So it's incredibly destructive to the environment. That's why you shouldn't do it, it turns out,

and what they were maybe doing it for. It was a source of energy essentially. To keep them warm. Yeah. Man. I've heard that word peat. Yes. And I never really understood what it was.

Yeah, you too, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Wow, what a deep dive. I should do a video on that. That is fascinating. What a journey you've been on. Can I now talk about my thing? I bet people know that.

They're like, we know, idiot. This has to be the weirdest episode we've done. We've covered so many things. It's true. It might be the best episode. And maybe no one's interested at all. People love it. Most likely.

Anyway, can I talk about my thing now? I would love you to. Yay, I have a book this week. It's called The Seven Skins of Esther Wilding. From international bestselling author of The Lost Flowers of Alice Hart, Holly Ringland, comes a haunting and magical novel about joy, grief, courage, and transformation. Now, I'm just going to read you the very first kind of phrase of the story. Let's do it.

On the afternoon that Esther Wilding drove homeward along the coast, a year after her sister had walked into the sea and disappeared, the light was painfully golden. So the last time. Painfully. So the last time Esther Wilding's beloved older sister, Aura, was seen, she was walking along the shore towards the sea. In the wake of Aura's disappearance, Esther's family struggles to live with their loss.

To seek the truth about her sister's death, Esther reluctantly travels from Lutruwita in Tasmania to Copenhagen and then to the Faroe Islands following the trail of the stories Aura left behind. Seven fairy tales about selkies, swans, and women alongside cryptic verses Aura wrote and had secretly tattooed on her body. Now, it's beautiful writing. Her first novel, The Lost Flowers of Alice Hart, was an award-winning book and you can tell because her writing. Because of the awards?

That has? She writes in this beautifully descriptive way and you kind of fall into her words. She has a real ability to capture a kind of feminine energy with her writing and it's so vivid in terms of her descriptions of emotions and characters and landscapes. She's got a real love of plants and gardening as well and that comes through in her work.

And in this one, when she finished writing The Lost Flowers of Alice Hart, because it's about a little nine-year-old girl called Alice overcoming trauma. Right. She got a massive tattoo down one arm. This is the author, Holly Ringland. Yeah. And I interviewed her for Tons for this week.

I was going to say, isn't there a reason you're bringing this up, Claire? It is because. Is this cross-promotional? It is because Holly is such a fascinating person. She's also starred or hosted a TV series called Back to Nature on the ABC, which is fascinating and goes into our connection to land, I guess. And they go to some beautiful locations around Australia, looking at our First Nations history and everything in between. And it's such a gorgeous

narrative to watch over the series. Also, you might be interested in this. The Lost Fowls of Alice Hart is going to be a TV series starring none other than Sigourney Weaver. Oh, I love Sigourney Weaver. Me too. She was in Alien and then Aliens and then Aliens 3 and then Alien Resurrection. I know, and she's so bloody awesome.

She was in Ghostbusters. She was in Ghostbusters too. She was, yeah. She was in Ghostbusters 2016 and then she reprised the role in a post-credits cameo in Ghostbusters, the newest one. I fucking hate Ghostbusters, Claire. All right. Can I keep talking now?

Yeah, sorry. Oh, my God. I donated a bomb. Is it set in Australia? Yes. So, Sigourney, are we ever going to be all Australian in it or is she just going to be like, oh, I'm just going to be like. I don't know.

I don't know how they're going to do that actually. Do you think they could change the locale like they did for the movie High Fidelity compared to the book? Anyway, so The Last Flowers of Alice Hart is her first novel. The reason I brought up the tattoo is because tattoos take on big significance throughout the book, The Seven Skins of Esther Wilding, and I think that's just a really interesting perspective where women are marking their bodies on their own terms

and kind of taking control of their own skin, which I think particularly for women who've experienced violence and male perpetrated violence particularly, I think that's something interesting to explore and Holly talks a lot about that. She's also just an incredibly artistic person and the colours and the front cover of her books are amazing. And I just thought she's just the biggest deep-feeling human being

and we just, I could have talked to her for three more hours. We both cried. It was just this like beautiful sharing of sort of overcoming trauma but also the joy of being raised by women and our love of kind of gardening and connection to nature. I think as well in this conversation I just felt like I found a kindred spirit who understood the world the way that I see it and I think it was just really, really special.

So I was really grateful for that conversation and it's going to be on Tom's this week. I'll check it out. But also I'd really recommend going to get the seven skins of Esther Wilding, particularly as you know I like to drop in some little ideas for Christmas prezzies and this I think would be a lovely book to get as a Christmas present. Can I get it for you?

Or someone who loves reading. Can I get it for you? I've already got it. But otherwise, yes, it would have been good. I just need another gift now. God damn it. I don't have The Lost Files of Alice Hart in hard copy, so, you know. Well, I guess you could go to the shop now if it's still open.

Is it too late? I have it on my Kindle though, so, you know. Anyway. This is a great suggestion. This is terrible. Let's move on. Well, I was going to talk about the white lighters, but do you want to watch a couple more episodes?

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See app for details. All right. Well, I have another little suggestion for another Christmas present. Like a tiny little rat. I do. Would you let me just pop it in while you're thinking? Tiny little Christmas rat. Okay. So for the Christmas wish list or just birthdays or anything,

if you are based in Australia, there's a really gorgeous chocolate brand called Loco Love. And you happened to buy me some for an anniversary, my birthday or something. It is so delicious. They came with a flowers bouquet. I got you flowers for a something. Yes, you did.

And they came alongside it. And they said, do you want some chocolate? I went, yeah, I like chocolate. Oh, and it's seriously my favorite chocolate. Not too much chocolate. So delicious. And it's sort of got health benefits to it. I went and deep dived because the packaging itself.

Don't kid yourself. You're lying to yourself. No, I'm not at all. Health benefits. No, I'm not at all. No, I'm actually not at all kidding myself. You're doing a big joke. My God, chocolate is known to actually have health benefits

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Where do you think she resides? Where would that sort of person reside? Werribee. All right, fine. Byron Bay. Byron Bay. Of course she lives in Byron Bay. Yeah.

As do all people who have that kind of description. Anyway. And money. Emika has always loved chocolate and after spending a decade peddling healthy sweet treats from her home kitchen and dreaming of a world where healthy chocolate was the norm, not the niche, Loco Love was born. Now together with her husband, Jesse, she creates Love Loco Bars daily with a menu full of twists and turns from Byron Bay. They are in constant pursuit of lovingly crafted, seductive

and flavourful chocolates that make you feel good when you eat them. And together, Jesse and Emika make the most delicious vegan soy and refined sugar-free chocolates, which they call artisanal chocolates with benefits. And I 100% agree with this. You can tell there's no refined sugar in them. They've got incredibly beautiful, delicious flavors. I'm just going to read out some of the flavors because they're so good. I had just got the twin packs, but they also come in gorgeous boxes too. So they have just the most delicious flavors. For example, twin salted caramel shortbread with Tasmanian sea salt, twin cosmic coffee cream with cordyceps, twin zingy gingerbread.

I don't know what that means. What does any of this mean? Twin zingy gingerbread Caramel with Gold Dust. Springy. Sprung. Dark Peppermint Cream with Matcha. Almond Caramel Crunch with Ashwagandha. This is Ashwagandha.

Ashwagandha is so good for you. It's really good for you. It's very protective. Why don't you just eat it outside of the chocolate? You could eat it off the store. Wild Orange Ganache with tamu-tamu. Coconut and ketchup with vanilla. Anyway, my favorite one is, and I'm going to scroll down

and tell you about it. It's so good. Twin black cherry and raspberry with schisandra, whatever that herb is. Twin black cherry and raspberry. It's delicious. They're beautiful packaging and I really recommend them and they just seem like cool people too. All right, that's local love.

But I found them. So in a way it's my recommendation. I guess I have a small recommendation I could do here at the end. All right, here it goes. It's the movie Strange World. I saw it at advanced screening. I took our son to see the movie Strange World. You did tell me about that.

And we went, ooh, we went and saw the movie Strange World. And I'll tell you this much, Claire, and I love coming at a movie from this kind of angle. Yes. It's fine. Let tell you this much, Claire, and I love coming at a movie from this kind of angle. Yes. It's fine. Let's wrap it up, Claire. Man, you're really in the mood today. Maybe I'll talk about it more another week.

But it's fine. He liked it. There's a lot of hoo-ha and hullabaloo in certain areas of the internet. A hoo-ha and hullabaloo. Because there is an openly gay character in it and whatever. And Disney have come out and said it's our first gay character, which they do for literally every movie. And it doesn't like that part doesn't like distract or lessen

or the story or even I would say enhance it in any particular way. It's just the character that exists in the world, which I think is also a good way to do it, just be like this is a regular person. I think that's 100% it, not putting them up on a pedestal or creating a character that is, you know. And also, like, I know people are like, how do you tell kids? How do I explain to my kids that a boy could like another boy or they're trans people or whatever?

Yeah, definitely. And the thing is, like, they don't give a shit. If you tell a kid, hey, two women can get married, kids go, all right. They don't give a fuck. No. It's just totally normalized. It's just dis-normalized. And if you're fighting against it, you're just going to be hitting your head for the

rest of your life until you die bitter and angry. So you're just going to have to let it go, I'm afraid. I don't think I'm talking to anybody in particular listening to this. Again, if you get this many levels deep and you're listening to this podcast, you're probably like, yeah, we know who cares, Gem. Shut up. Shut up already. Anyway, it's fine.

Got kids. Take them along. It's got a bit of a, there was a twist about what was going on up. Shut up already. Anyway, it's fine. Got kids. Take them along. It's got a bit of art. There was a twist about what was going on. I'm like, oh, yeah, I get it. And environmentalism, et cetera, and so forth, you know. Good performances and such. Jake Gyllenhaal is in it.

My son was like, during the movie, he's like, which character do you like the most? And he picked like an action adventure hero guy, like the grandpa, and he's got like a flamethrower and whatever. And the young kid who does like cool stuff and whatever. I'm like, I don't know, the Jake Gyllenhaal character who says he's 40 and he's boring and he's not very adventurous and he doesn't like anything. I'm like, probably that guy, I reckon. And he's like, nah, not him.

Do you know my favourite thing our son does at the moment is he tries to connect with me. It's really sweet. And the way he does it. That's sweet, is it? When you're like, no, thank you. He's trying to connect with you and you're like, no. No, and I do it.

But it's just really because it takes a lot of me to like be like, okay, cool. I'll have this conversation. Because he cannot have a conversation about anything else. So he'll just turn to me. We're making a hot milk in the kitchen. He's like, so, Mum, what's your favourite video game? And you'll say Zelda? And I'll say Zelda.

Ocarina of Time? That's all I have played. And then you'll go. And then he tells me some, yeah, and then he tells me some things about it when he was playing it and I have to be like, cool, man. Yeah, awesome. Oh, that really happened, didn't it?

Yeah, it is a cool game, isn't it? I liked the bit where you get to ride a horse and then you like catch some food. Sure. Yeah, that's pretty hard. It's hard in the snow. And in my head, I'm like monkey symbols clashing, but I love him so much. And he's like, he's reaching out. He's common grounding you. I know, he's doing it much better than I am. It's true. He's a much better mum than you are. He is. Anyway, he's a great kid. All right, let's move along. So again, yeah, if you want to take your kids or whatever. I would say also like if you're like, oh, yeah, I'll check this out or whatever,

you could just wait for Disney+, which is I think where it'll probably find its legs a bit more. Who knows, maybe it'll be a smash, big hit and whatever. But I think it'll do like okay-ish maybe. I don't know. Fair enough. Because it's got a big IP. But then again, Lightyear came in earlier this year and that was a big IP

and that wasn't very, I didn't like that movie very much. And also Disney's, funnily enough, Disney's first gay character in it. You already said that. No, I know, but they said that then as well. It's a thing that Disney do. What do you mean they say that? Every time they release a movie they're like, this is our first gay character, openly gay character,

and they've been doing that for like six years, every movie. That's so weird. They did in Beauty and the Beast, Josh Gad's character. They're like, he's gay. He's like, he's gay in this. I'm like, is he? Is he? Great.

But he like does a little dance at one point and maybe he's in love with Gaston, but it's like, come on, you can try harder than this. I think they're slowly like getting people used to it or whatever. I see. It's also funny when like people are upset about Disney and they're like, come on, you can try harder than this. I think they're slowly like getting people used to it or whatever. I see. It's also funny when like people are upset about Disney and they're like, when are Disney, what are they doing here with, you know, gay people and whatever. And it's like Disney's gay, man.

Like Disney's been gay for decades, you know, for years. There's like, I mean, a lot of it is like subtext and whatever, but it's like it's also been embraced by the gay community for decades. You know what I mean? It's not a new thing. Anyways, I'm really excited to see their new gay character in the next movie. The first one, I think, actually. Anyways, Claire.

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I don't like that then. No, sorry. I like him. Sorry, Cody. Anyway, I just wanted to write in to say I wrote a book. I love this. I found this less successful podcast through the Weekly Planet, but now this is what I look forward to every Thursday.

I'm getting married next year to a wonderful woman with a three-year-old son and hearing you guys talk about parenting and the highs and lows of it makes me feel confident in what I'm doing to help raise this little guy. On top of that, I've also been inspired by you guys to follow my dream to become an author. Over the last year, I wrote and illustrated my first children's book, The Good Sports. It's available now on Amazon, even in Australia,

and I would love it if you could maybe give it a shout out. I'm very proud of it and I think it teaches a great lesson and tells a story that could be fun for kids and adults. Okay. Even if you don't shout it out, I still love the pod. Thanks, Cody from the US of A. And he's attached some little pictures and I think it looks pretty cute. Oh, that's very cute.

Oh, that's fun. It's fun. That is fun. Little characters. They're good sports and they're like little balls. They're balls. They're sunglasses and running away from a bomb. They're walking away from an explosion and two of them are looking cool

and one of them is like. Yeah, I think that looks fun. So well done, Cody. Great job on making a thing. That's cool, man. Making a thing is hard and I think we should all be just doing it. All now at Amazon. All the time.

The good sports. Check that out. Definitely. Making a thing is hard and I think we should all be just doing it. All now at Amazon. All the time. That's awesome. The good spots. You should check that out. Definitely. All right. Written and illustrated. I don't know if you mentioned that, but that's true. Yeah, I know.

Super impressive. Let me just say this, Claire. You can review the show and you can do it in-app. And this is the best way to do it. Your app of choice. Whatever you're listening to this on, except for BigSandwich.co, which is our private subscription service, there is not a review feature on that. You don't need to review.

Do you know why? Why? Because you're already, you're on the Big Sandwich and we appreciate you. That's the level of commitment you need to make. We appreciate you. The people that subscribe to Big Sandwich, and if you can't, that's totally fine. We get it. But we do, we totally get it. But we do have to say, you guys keep us all afloat and we think you are a lot of legends.

I'll pay a bunch of people and everything, et cetera. Anyways, this is from Moiki Boiki who says, unending firehose of great suggestions. And this is a five-star review if you can believe it. Wowza. If it's anything less than five-star, you better believe I'm not reading it out. So, hey, Clara and James from Ohio. I'm a musician and new dad, who came to this pod via my nephew.

Wow, really? Who knows? We're in the youth. That's good to know. I love it. Who knows? Who knows that I watch Mr. Sunday Movies YouTube and listens to the Australian nerds say things about pop culture

that I agree with slash thought already. Somehow I've gotten my wife into it also. That's a very rare situation. That is a very rare situation. Not even your wife. I tried to get my wife to listen also. That's a very rare situation. That is a very rare situation. Not even your wife. I tried to get my wife to listen and now she hates me. So anyhow, now I listen with my daughter but she barely understands English yet. Thank you for the suggestions.

Good Lord, I'll never be able to keep up with my library card max. Never be able to keep up. Library card is maxed out. That's from Maiko. Thank you, Maiko. Thank you for listening oh my goodness so cool all right well that's it from us this week that's next week i will tell you how the video clip went please do goodness okay and you'll be like i hate it you will hate it because that's

what happens yeah i will hate it but then you'll be all right you'll be like maybe there's something in this god i'm really terrified about it do you know what i'm terrified and i'm finding hard about it is i sort of just want to be myself in it but sometimes myself is like a sesame street character and sometimes the joy that i feel when i'm making a thing is so huge that it like explodes out of me and that's like very adorable but i feel like maybe because i'm very adorable as a person but maybe on camera it might be a bit too out there, you know? But I also don't want to like not be myself. And I tried performing it not being myself and being like totally in character and my singing teacher was like,

you're not even moving your face at all. Boo, you're boring. We hate you. Yeah. So I just don't know where to sit with it is my problemo. I see what you're saying. Yeah. So that's what I'm nervous about.

I'm not nervous at all because I don't have to do anything. Yeah, you don't. You just have to like take the kids, make their dinner. Goddamn kids, yeah. It's not a lot actually. It's probably easier to go and make a video clip than it is to stay. I would rather do the kids thing. Yeah, you're really good at it actually.

So are you. Yeah. You're much more consistent. No. It's very impressive actually watching your parents. I value my time more. So I'm like get going, get going. And also I can pick them up easier and move them.

They'll be like, I don't want to do this. So I'm just like one hand, I'll pick them up. And they'll be like, well, now you're over here. So now you are doing it. I can only do that for a few more years though. That is true. It doesn't work forever. It's true. over here. So now you are doing it. I can only do that for a few more years though. That is true. It doesn't work forever. It's true.

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Do some more crunches, Claire, because I'm getting abs for summer because summer bodies are made in winter. Cool. And it's summer in eight days or seven days or whatever it is. It doesn't feel like it. Yeah. You're going to show your abs underneath your woolly jumper? Yep.

I'll be like, look at this. I appreciate you and I appreciate those abs that you're working on. Yep. All right. Thanks, everyone. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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