Suggestible - Zucchini Pasta

Episode Date: April 29, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, I'm Jessi Cruikshank from the number one comedy podcast, Phone a Friend, which I strongly advise you listen to. You know what else I suggest you look into? Becoming a host on Airbnb. Did you like that segue? Thank you. I recently started putting my guest house on Airbnb when I'm out of town, and I didn't realize how easy it would be until I did it. If you have a spare room, you could Airbnb it, or your whole place could be an Airbnb. It's a great way to make a little extra money by doing not a lot, which frankly is my mantra in 2024. To learn more, go to airbnb.ca slash host. Well, well, well, well, well. Hello, James. Hello. Welcome back to this show that we do. It's called...
Starting point is 00:00:38 Suggestible. Hey, shut up and listen. Oh, no. Don't be so rude. That's what I wanted to call it. And I think we should still call it that. Change it. It's fine. Just make the logo a bit more aggressive. That's what I wanted to call it. And I think we should still call it that. Change it. It's fine. Just make the logo a bit more aggressive. It's just someone pointing.
Starting point is 00:00:49 You know that guy, like Uncle Sam? But it's you. You're the aggressive one. He's like, listen to this. Shut up. You listen to this. Look, I'm fragile today, James. I understand.
Starting point is 00:00:58 I'm a fragile lady in a dressy gown. Is that because the world? On the edge of insanity. Well, the world's falling apart, so don't worry about it. Oh, excellent. Yeah, I know. Hello. Hey, because the world? On the edge of insanity. Wow, the world's falling apart, so don't worry about it. Oh, excellent. Yeah, I know. Hello, if you're. Hey, what's up?
Starting point is 00:01:09 Hello. Hey, shut up and listen. James is drinking a kombucha, so I will just introduce myself. I'm Claire. I've already introduced myself. James is here also. We are married, and this is to Jessica, where we recommend you things that you probably won't ever watch, read, or listen to.
Starting point is 00:01:23 That's right. You better believe it. However, we really appreciate your recommendation. We really do. Let me tell you. We got a few doozies up our wazoo today. Do we? I don't even quite sure what that means, but it amused me, so I said it.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Okay, James, how are you? I'm great, Claire. Every day, everything just keeps happening, doesn't it? You wake up and you're like, yep, all right, it's happening again, all this shit. I'm really good. I know. Yeah, it really got on top of me today, the never-ending things
Starting point is 00:01:55 that you've got to do. Sure. What did you say? You want someone who can, like, tuck you in and cook your meals and stuff? Yeah. Like a Mary Poppins woman? Yeah, like make me a hot water bottle and like cook me a really delicious stew with rice.
Starting point is 00:02:09 The thing about a Mary Poppins woman is if you ever get one or a Mary Poppins man, you know, they probably exist, you want to keep them on like a fairly long leash. So when they're like, goodbye, I've fixed you, and they go to fly away, they can't. You're like, you're not going anywhere, Mary Poppins. What I really think I want is like a cosy grandmother from one of those Mary Poppins slash Enid Blyton novels
Starting point is 00:02:33 who has an apron and gives you squishy cuddles. What if she was racist? Makes you hot chocolate. What if she was racist? Okay, without the racism. I don't think you can have one or the other. It's just, you know, with like rosy cheeks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:47 You know? You know what, I don't want someone like dottering around me all day. I don't want, that's what I don't want. No, but she'd just, she'd like nitty things and she'd be quite funny and a little sassy. I don't need that. I don't need any of that. Baking you stuff constantly and just telling you you're wonderful.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I'm going low carb, mate. I can't be having baked treats. This woman sounds like a nightmare. Look, this is just my mental state currently. I'm going low carb, mate. I can't be having baked treats. This woman sounds like a nightmare. Look, this is just my mental state currently. I really just want to be like folded up in someone's warm bosom. What if she wants her – she's probably got her own life and grandkids looking after you, whatever. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I mean I don't want her around all the time. She can go and do other things, but I don't know. I think really what I'm saying is I would love to just be a child again where the world was simple and everything wasn't on fire. Except it wasn't and you just didn't know it. I know. I saw a diagram today. Spoiler alert, this is a bit depressing.
Starting point is 00:03:37 So if you are having a fragile moment like me today, maybe skip ahead. Anyway, I saw it because I follow all of these climate change, you know, Instagram accounts and things. And there was just this diagram of how in 1985 when I was born, it was like a pie chart, 30% of the forests and, you know, of the planet were gone and it was just kind of like barren wasteland but 70% was like lush and green. And over the subsequent years, so 35 years, it just slowly reduced
Starting point is 00:04:11 to now we're at something like 30% greenery and 70% barren wasteland. Awesome. And that is my mental state currently. I'm loving it. So let's move on. I'm loving that. I'm loving what you've just done there. It's really good.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I think, I don't know, I've talked about this before in this show. It's just the dawning realization that all the things you were told as a child were totally bullshit. Yeah, that's really good, isn't it? Yeah. All right. So on that note, I've got some really fun things to recommend. So would you like me to go first?
Starting point is 00:04:43 You can go first. I would love you to go first. Okay. So the first thing I made myself today, I don't know if you noticed, I've got some really fun things to recommend. So would you like me to go first? You can go first. I would love you to go first. Okay. So the first thing, I made myself today, I don't know if you noticed, I made myself some zucchini pasta today for lunch, James. And then you said this is enough for dinner and then you ate so much that there was enough for dinner. This is why I never make this dish because I love it so much.
Starting point is 00:05:00 It's so delicious. And I was having a mental health day and I thought, you know what is good for your mental health? Cooking. Always lifts my spirits. And I haven't had time to go to the shops or meal plan or anything. And so what bucks me up is some delicious food and I haven't had any buck ups with food.
Starting point is 00:05:17 So I was like, fuck it. No one else in this house will like this zucchini pasta, but I'm just going to the shop and I'm buying the ingredients and I'm making it. That is true because nobody else got a chance to eat any. I did offer you some. You said you didn't want any because you're low carb. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Anyhoo, so I'm just going to tell you what my zucchini pasta was because it was a big delicious pan full of joy and five extra kilos but, you know, he's counting. Have you got any left? No. I didn't get a single bit of this pasta. But I'll tell you about it. Oh, I'd love to hear about it.
Starting point is 00:05:48 I mean, I saw it. So this recipe is from my sister and also Jamie Oliver, who I saw making it today on Instagram and that was what inspired me to make it. So one zucchini grated. Can you do it in a Jamie Oliver voice? One zucchini grated. Just like put it in the bowl then and then wiggle it around a little bit and it'll be delicious, mate.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Oh, everybody loves a bit of zucchini. I'm just going to pop out to my garden. I've got everything in my garden. If you have to use fresh ingredients, I'll come to your house, I'll cut your throat. I'm Jamie Oliver. Well, that escalated quickly. That's what he's like.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Okay, three cloves of garlic diced, one lemon with zest grated, parmesan cheese grated, spaghetti, olive oil, salt and pepper. So you put your pasta on to boil and you boil it away. You make sure the water is super bubbly with a bit of salt and you throw it in. It has to be spaghetti, none of this fettuccine, none of this, you know, toily pasta, none of these shells. Spaghetti.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Okay. We never eat spaghetti because we have kids who can't really manage it on their forks. That doesn't measure very well. So I was like, God damn it, we're just going to have some fucking spaghetti. Okay. Moving on.
Starting point is 00:06:56 We're going to have some spaghetti. I'm going to come to your house. I'm going to step on your bollocks. It's Jamie Oliver. All right. Back to my Jamie Oliver. All right. So then you get your zucchini and you grate it.
Starting point is 00:07:05 You grate it fast. You grate the whole zucchini. Do you have to grate it fast? Yeah, yeah, you do. You've got to grate it. And then you get your lemon. You zest it. You zest it because you've got such a zest for life, mate,
Starting point is 00:07:14 that you zest in your lemony deliciousness all over the place. And, oh, lovely bubbly or whatever he says. Yes, he's classic. I'm British. This isn't massacring their accent at all. Okay, so next you cook until warm. It looks like cock but it says cook because it's a handwritten note in this recipe book.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Cook until warm but remove from heat before zucchini. Get soggy. You don't want no soggy zucchini, mate. You want them crisp and hard. I don't know what I'm trying to say. You can see why you put cock in your recipe. Doggy zucchini, mate. You want them crisp and hard. I don't know what I'm trying to say. You can see why you put cock in your recipe. Oh, I don't know what that was.
Starting point is 00:07:54 That was me snorting because I love life so much. You could have said it was me. You could have said Jo snorted that. No, more about authenticity, mate. Authenticity. Authenticity. With an F. Authenticity.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Authenticity. Okay. So then now I'm sounding like Russell Brand or nobody British ever because this is the worst accent in the world. This is really accurate. And if you're British, I'm horribly, horribly apologetic. I hope in ten years you get cancelled for this. No, it's going to come out. Look, we're convicts.
Starting point is 00:08:21 They booted us. We're descended from convicts. They booted us out of their country. We can make fun of their accent. I'm not even making fun of it. I'm genuinely just trying to do it. Just to clarify, I'm making fun of it though. Yeah, you are.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Yeah, good. You are. You were saying that, I don't know what, you're making fun of my garden. My garden is great. I grow my zucchinis in there and then I'll grow some mint. I'll put it in my pasta. I tried to fix school food in America but I couldn't. I got a real sale on TV in it and then I went to my garden.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I cried into a basil leaf. Anyway, go on. I think he did great things. No, he didn't. He didn't fix shit. All right, anyway, he did a recipe book. I have to say my 15-minute meals recipe book is bloody brilliant. I mean no one cooked anything in there in 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:09:06 You know how many people have turned this off because it's really good. I'm so sorry. Anyway, I've got to finish. I've started now. I've got to finish it. I'm so sorry, guys. Okay. Drain pasta until well done and add some zucchini.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Yeah. So you drain your pasta until it's al dente, you know, so it's like slightly springy and delicious. Sure, yeah, I get you. None of this soggy spaghetts around these traps. Oh, God. Oh, no. I've gone off the deep end, mate.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Oh, God. Going off the deep end is my kind of thing. I don't like this anymore. Oh. What? I was having some fun. Yeah, you keep going. I thought you thought I was funny.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, no. But it went over to annoying. But that being said, maybe it'll come back around again. Yeah, you're good at that. That's what I often do. You do a bit so long that it becomes like a mollusk on my brain. I can't get rid of it. Anyway, drain pasta and then add to zucchini.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Stir it all through with your lemon zest. You add some olive oil. You season with salt and pepper. Fresh chili. Mmm, lovely, jubbly, bubbly, bubbly. Then you serve it with your fresh parmesan and you stir through your fresh mint leaves and then it's deliciousah, delicioso. And that is the key, mate.
Starting point is 00:10:28 You have a cheeky half a glass of red wine, which is what I did at lunchtime today. Never do that usually. Thought I'd be Italian, see if it would buck me up, made me sleepy. Didn't work, did it? Nah, pretty much ate that whole plate, that whole bloody fucking giant pan I made today. Day drinking. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:10:49 There you go. And that is zucchini pasta. Mmm. Well, I must say it looks really good. All right, you sexy beast. Jesus. Doesn't he sometimes aggressively call people that? I don't know what he's about.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Anyway, I actually quite enjoy him. He seems all right. It's your bloody turn, mate. I've just massacred the British culture. Britain doesn't have culture. Chin-chin-a-dee, chin-chin-a-dee, chin-chin-a-roo. It was a bit Dick Van Dyke. My pasta was delicious like Louis Thoreau.
Starting point is 00:11:22 That's my second recommendation. Like Louis Thoreau? I'm just, yeah. A documentary? A Louis Theroux documentary? No, it's a podcast. Okay. It's a delightful podcast.
Starting point is 00:11:32 I will leave the room if you keep doing this. I'm not even joking. May I remind you that you suggested it. Yeah, I know, but I'm still going to leave. You suggested that I do an accent. You think I'm joking. Okay, listeners. We've been married for many years and if James knows anything, he knows that I am terrible at accents,
Starting point is 00:11:52 impressions, I'm terrible. I'm just terrible at it. I think it's more your personality. Sorry, me on the other hand. Well, I can't do anything about that. I have, you know, some people think my personality is tolerable. I'd love to meet them one day. But what were you saying?
Starting point is 00:12:11 Tolerable. That's it. I have a podcast recommendation for Louis Theroux. Do you want to do that? No. Okay. Well, I watched a movie. It's on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:12:18 What up? It's directed by Joe Penner. I probably pronounced wrong. It stars Anna Kendrick, Tony Collette, Daniel Dae Kim. I know who that is. He's great. He's from Lost. Oh, yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yes, yes, I know him. And Shamir Anderson. And it's basically, it's a mission to Mars, right? It's a rocket ship takes off. It's got Anna Kendrick, Tony Collette and Daniel Dae Kim. They're astronauts. And we're like, we're loving going to Mars. We're going to do some colonisation stuff.
Starting point is 00:12:44 It's a two-year round trip, right? Everything's going well. They're bonding. We're like, we're loving going to Mars. We're going to do some colonisation stuff. It's a two-year round trip, right? Everything's going well. They're bonding. They're handshaking. All of those things. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Is this a movie set in space?
Starting point is 00:12:55 Yeah, well, they're in a spaceship, so yes. All right, you're going back to classic James recommendations. No, you like this one. It's got Tony Collette, Claire. I know, I know. As a space captain. I'm just merely pointing out if the listeners have not already pointed it out to themselves in their brain and it turned off when I was doing my terrible
Starting point is 00:13:11 Jamie Oliver impression that you are yet again recommending another movie set in space. It just popped up on Netflix. All right. And people are like, it's good, and I checked it out, and it is good. I did like it. Okay. Also, I am a sucker for space movies. Everything's going well. Suddenly. Ali right. And people are like, it's good, and I checked it out, and it is good. I did like it. Okay. Also, I am a sucker for space movies.
Starting point is 00:13:26 Everything's going well. Suddenly. Aliens. No. It's very. I don't know what else happened to space. Satellite crashes in. No.
Starting point is 00:13:34 It's realistic-esque. It's called Stalway because they accidentally took another person to space. Serial killer. No, he's just a guy. Alien. No, he's a guy. He's a regular man. And so now there's four of them on this two-year
Starting point is 00:13:48 trip to Mars. I have to point out something else. Do they sit in a room and stare at the sun until their faces start to melt off? I'm leaving. I'm going. Come back. I can't carry this on my own. You've got to ask her. No, I'm having
Starting point is 00:14:03 a fragile day. Get back in here right now. That's your one warning. That's your one warning. You think I'm joking? I'm not going to come back. No, he really left the room. Anyway, so there's four people on this three-person mission which throws everything out, right?
Starting point is 00:14:22 And on top of that, so then you've got to – there's problems with oxygen and food and all that, but it seems to be going well, but then tragedy strikes and they realize that there's not enough oxygen for them all to get there. So then it becomes like a survival situation. It's like, do you kill one of them? Do you do like extreme things to try and get more oxygen and whatever? So it becomes this. And what I think is really interesting about it is it doesn't cut outside of the ship much and it doesn't cut away to anybody else. So even when they're talking to like mission control, you don't hear mission control.
Starting point is 00:14:55 It's a one-sided conversation where you just hear like Toni Collette being like, oh, Jesus, we're stuck in space. What the fuck? Whatever. She's so good, Toni Collette. She's amazing. And it's really good and really harrowing and it's pretty simple. It's pretty straightforward and it's just a good kind
Starting point is 00:15:11 of solid space survival thing. If you like Gravity, it's not the movie Gravity. It's the movie Sandra Bullock. It's way more. And George Clooney? Yes. Gravity's fine. I didn't really like it.
Starting point is 00:15:24 But this is way more low-key, down-to-earth, very simple kind of stuff, which is what I prefer. Is it similar in vibe to that Hilary Swank one that we watched fairly recently? Oh, yeah, a little bit, but this is better than that. Yeah, because that was a very good TV show. You know what I was talking about? For the first like two episodes and then I just lost interest, which may also be just because my brain no longer has a lot
Starting point is 00:15:50 of concentration spam. I didn't stick with it either, to be fair. Yeah, it was way better. Stalway, check it out. It's on Netflix. It's good. And it's got brilliant performances as well and there's only like four people in it.
Starting point is 00:16:03 They're all really good. They're all really great actors actually, really, really great. Well, that sounds awesome. I'm totally going to watch that. A bit of escapism. Will you now? Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:16:15 All right. Now I wish it was a visual medium, not because you could see me then in my dressing gown but because James was doing a funny face and a little fist. I was, wasn't I? You did. You looked like a little leprechaun, a little grey-haired leprechaun. I do look a bit like a leprechaun. Introducing Uber Teen Accounts,
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Starting point is 00:17:11 Let's go. I don't even know what that's got to now. Are you trying to pretend that's not your accent so I don't leave the room? Yeah, I was. You just did an accent there too. No, this is Louis. But it's funny when I do it.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Is it Louis Thoreau? Louis Thoreau, yeah. Louis Thoreau, yeah. Louis Thoreau, yeah. So if you're a podcast aficionado, you're probably already aware that Louis Thoreau does a podcast. Also, just in case you don't know who Louis Thoreau is, but everyone really does. I didn't know either.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Actually, I genuinely didn't know. Well, I didn't know either. He is an incredible interviewer and he creates documentaries as well. He's really well known for just always being himself in whatever situation he's put in, whether it's extreme Nazis in the depths of the American heartland or something, or with, like in this instance, a famous pop star or whoever. He's got glasses. this instance, a famous pop star or whoever. Who's the pop star? He's got glasses.
Starting point is 00:18:04 He's quite lanky. He's quite in a way very nerdy but very sincere and has quite a deadpan delivery. Gets a lot out of people as well. He really does. He's just got a real knack for interviewing people and also for creating really interesting documentaries. For example, was it Going Clear?
Starting point is 00:18:21 Is that the documentary he did on Scientologist? It was really fascinating. Going Clear, is that the documentary he did on Scientologist? It was really fascinating. Anyway, he does a podcast and it actually was out in 2020 because he's stuck at home during the pandemic, which is still ongoing, and so he decided to call up all the people he's been wanting to talk to for a long time over Zoom. Oh, cool.
Starting point is 00:18:40 And sometimes I feel like Zoom podcasts don't work or historically I felt like it's much better to have people in the room. Yeah, I completely agree. However, Sentimental in the City, which has been one of my absolute favourite podcasts over the last year, was also done over Zoom and I couldn't tell. And so I think people are getting better at this whole Zoom, you know, over Skype kind of vibe.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and so these – Especially if they've both got recording equipment, it just makes Skype kind of vibe. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, and so these. Especially if they've both got recording equipment, it just makes it so much easier. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's what it is. And so I actually, it's just inspired me for my project to think about actually doing some things over Zoom
Starting point is 00:19:16 because I've traditionally steered away from it. Anyhoo, Louis Theroux just interviews a whole lot of mainly really famous people that he's been wanting to interview. And the one I listened to that I really loved was the one with Sia, the artist and singer from The Chandelier. Did she talk about her new film? And it got absolutely eviscerated. Correct.
Starting point is 00:19:37 She did. She did talk about it. Interestingly, she actually sent Louis Theroux some of the script, I think. Yeah. And so he gave her some notes on it. So he actually said it was really good. He really thought it was really good. But I know because I think it stars an autistic girl or it's supposed to.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Yeah, it does. It stars an autistic girl who's not played by an autistic actor and the character has non-verbal autism. Yeah. The autism spectrum is just so vast and really they make the comment in this that if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Because it presents so differently in different people and differently in men and women as well. So they touch a little bit on that movie and, you know, they don't even really talk about the pylon or anything. This is more just to do with Sia's mental health really and her journey into music and singing and why she does, she created what she has. It's just a really interesting little window into someone
Starting point is 00:20:40 who clearly hates fame and is a really fragile person and struggled a lot with addiction to painkillers and alcohol and where she's at now. And really it strikes me that she is a giant introvert who gets no joy from performing at all and didn't really want to be famous and sees fame as poisonous. Yeah, and it's like a necessity of being of what she's doing. Yeah, but what I found really fascinating and I won't spoil all of it,
Starting point is 00:21:13 the show is called Grounded and it just is really the thing about Louis not being able to go anywhere so he's grounded and his interview style is so warm and insightful and he sings a couple of Sia's songs throughout it, which is just a joy. I didn't realise she was a mega fan of Louis Theroux, which I find really interesting too. So the movie is like it's like I heard it misses the mark quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Completely, yeah. People have been so angry about it. It's an earnest effort though, isn't it? It's a really earnest effort. People have been so angry about it. One, for one, one of the. It's an earnest effort though, isn't it? It's a really earnest, it's her first attempt at directing and writing a film and, yeah, I mean I haven't seen it either but from what I've heard people are really upset that she didn't choose an actor who was autistic as well. She's amused, this girl, as well, isn't she?
Starting point is 00:22:01 She's in a few of her films. Yeah, she is, yeah, yeah. She's in Chandelier. She's the to amuse this girl as well, isn't she? She's in a few of her books. Yeah, she is. Yeah, yeah. She's in Chandelier. She's the dancer in that. And it was a very earnest attempt from Sia. So, you know, this kind of stuff is hard, isn't it? Because she clearly missed the mark and has offended a lot of people. And she's also said some difficult things on Twitter too
Starting point is 00:22:21 and dug her heels in. However, I also think making stuff is incredibly hard and you're not always going to get it right. Absolutely, yeah. And you have to try as best you can to get it right. I genuinely think she did try. I think she just missed it. Oh, yeah, it's a massive swing.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Yeah, and sometimes you swing and you miss. Yeah. What Louis was saying, which I thought was interesting about her music, was how influential it's been and how important it has been to a lot of people. And she said something interesting, which was that when she was put in a room to create some of that music, she has to just get out of her own way. So she's got a real gift at hearing something once
Starting point is 00:23:04 and predicting the chords in that song. Yeah, right. And so making the melody straight away. She says that she just gets out of her own way and channels the melody and she can hear the beats, hear its track of beats. She puts the recording device on, listens to the beats, and as the beats are playing she'll make the melody over the top of it, just straight up, like straight first take, like with Titanium.
Starting point is 00:23:29 She said that's just, it just came out in one go. And sometimes she'll even get lyrics as well as it goes forwards, which I thought was really interesting. And she said for Titanium she was writing that for Alicia Keys because when, before she got became real. She didn't want it or something? Yeah. And didn't it then go to R became real. She didn't want it or something? Yeah. And didn't it then go to Rihanna maybe who didn't want it or something?
Starting point is 00:23:47 Yeah, can I tell the story? No, no, let me tell the story. So basically. No, no, sorry, go on. So I guess what happened was she had given up, she'd been touring and with her own music and things for about 15 years and it was a completely different type of sound to the one that she's ended up with in this kind of hyper-pops world. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Yeah, so she'd been touring for about 15 years with her band and battling alcohol addiction and other things during that time and she got to a point where she realised it wasn't good for her to be constantly performing and living that lifestyle and so she stepped back and she decided she wanted to write instead for Beyonce and big pop stars and so the agent she took on decided to help her with that.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Anyway, with Titanium, she sang it thinking that she was then performing for Alicia Keys and instead of it going to Alicia Keys, the guy that produced the song released it without her knowledge and it just went bananas. And she says anyway in the interview that she was really worried and angry about it and wished that he hadn't done it and her agent didn't believe her and thought, well, why wouldn't you want to, she thought she was sort of being a contrary artist.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah. But she really, she suffers from PTSD and a lot of other things. Oh, right. Yeah, so she touches on that and she said that then that started happening again where she would create something for other people but then she would be kind of centred on it and then she signed deals and it kind of happened that way. And in the end she's become sort of at peace and quite proud
Starting point is 00:25:24 of where she's at with a lot of it. But she said she struggles hugely with the idea of it being pointless and not doing and contributing much in the world. And it wasn't until she started reading fan letters and speaking to fans that she realised that in actuality her songs mean a huge amount to people. She also said something else, that in creating those pop songs she feels like she's punching down in a way.
Starting point is 00:25:46 What is that? So she's creating stuff that's broad, I guess. Okay. And so her music is a lot, her actual taste in music is a lot, I guess, more niche. Niche, yeah, which I thought was really interesting too, which might explain the film. That's an ability though.
Starting point is 00:26:06 That's a gift to be able to do that though, to make a broad pop song. You know what I mean? Like that's hard. Oh, my God. Yeah, she's super talented and she sings throughout the interview too. I don't think it's punching you down. I think that's amazing that someone could do that. I do, yeah, because she's quite self-deprecating
Starting point is 00:26:22 and that's what Louis says too. It's incredible what she can do. And I think she makes the point that she creates songs that people can put their shit onto. That was her exact phrase. You know, rather than singing about some specific thing that happened to her, she's singing it in a broad way so that the stuff that happens in your life that's hard or difficult
Starting point is 00:26:42 or your own experience of love can be projected onto that song. Yeah, right. And I think that is kind of the genius and maybe the genius of art that it can be whatever the person who is in the audience wants it to be. Yeah. And they can project themselves and see themselves somewhere in it. You can be titanium. Anium.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Anyway. I thought that was – anyway. That sounds really interesting. I didn't even know he was doing a podcast. I know. His voice is also just lovely to listen to. I'm Louis Theroux. Wonderful to meet you.
Starting point is 00:27:17 I'm like our accents. His accent is lovely. Yeah. Okay. There you go. Over to you, Sunny Park. I've got one more thing I've been meaning to recommend for like three weeks. It's a movie called Sleepers.
Starting point is 00:27:26 I actually talked about it recently because I went on Fofop with Charlie Clawson and I feel really bad about this. But at the start he's like, how do you do it all? How do you fit it all in? And he was talking about like watching stuff because you've got to watch a lot of stuff doing this job. And what I should have said was, oh, I have like eight people helping me, which is the actual answer.
Starting point is 00:27:44 It's because there's multiple editors and you and colleagues, do you know what I mean? And we've got an accountant and all these different things that happen and we have parents and stuff that helps. So that's how. What did you actually say? I was talking about how do you watch everything and I basically went on to like I don't, I can't because there's so much stuff,
Starting point is 00:28:04 even though it's my job, that I can't. I basically went on to like, I don't, I can't because there's so much stuff, even though it's my job that I can't. I wasn't like, well, I just. It's just me and I do everything. I said something like, well, I do stay up late or whatever, but the actual answer is there's a lot of people that do a lot of work that allow me to do the specific thing that I do, I guess. That's the real answer and I'll probably say this again on the weekly planet. Anyway, I talked about a guess. That's the real answer. And I'll probably say this again on the weekly planet.
Starting point is 00:28:25 Anyway, I talked about a movie in there called Sleepers briefly. It's a 1996 American legal drama directed by Barry Levison who did Rain Man and Good Morning Vietnam, if you're familiar with those two movies. It's set in the 60s and in the early 80s in Hell's Kitchen and it starts off with these boys. They're like early high school and they're just lads being lads. They get in a bit of trouble.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Do you know what I mean? There's a local priest played by Robert De Niro. He's like, you boys better stay out of trouble. We're going to do some good stuff in Hell's Kitchen or whatever. But then they cause this horrible accident with a hot dog cart and they end up going to this youth correctional facility which just has like hideous abuse in it. Like it's quite a tough watch.
Starting point is 00:29:09 And then as a result of that, they come out of this damaged in all sorts of different ways. And what it then involves is there's later a court case involving all of them in different capacities in relation to a crime, which also is tied back to one of the guards who was there, who was involved in the time. It's super compelling. It's like, again, it's like 25 years old but it's got Billy Crudup,
Starting point is 00:29:32 Kevin Bacon, Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Jason Patrick, Mimi Driver, Brad Pitt. It's got this amazing cast and it's just well worth like looking into if you haven't. It's got that, if you love like a 90s legal drama kind of thing. I kind of do actually. But that being said, Claire, it's a lot of like boys being boys. Yeah, I'll hate it.
Starting point is 00:29:51 So you might not like it that much. I mean I should say I used to until I started watching things with my eyes wide open. Yeah, there's like one female major role. It's Mimi Driver and it's not that big a role if I'm honest. Anyway, I've always enjoyed this movie. I saw it, you know, when I was a kid and every now and then it'll pop up on something and it popped up on Netflix. Actually, it was going to pop up on Netflix. So then I rented it on a different thing because I'm like, I want to watch this now. So I did.
Starting point is 00:30:16 So yeah, if you haven't seen Sleepers, check it out, man. Cool. And is that the show? That is the show. Great. Do you know you can review the show though? Are you sure? It's as easy as being like click, clack, I'm writing a review right here from my phone.
Starting point is 00:30:30 Click, clack. That's what Brian says. I'm reading the review right now. Brian from China who says, This show is explosively awesome that my mind literally cannot comprehend it. James and Claire's natural back and forth dynamics rivals even that of James and Mason's. Ooh, Mason, I'm coming for you.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Great content, better hosts, keep up the good work. That's Brian from China. Thank you, Brian from China. Thank you so much. Terrific stuff. Have you got a letter for this week, Claire? I do. This is from Amber.
Starting point is 00:30:57 So I don't know if you remember at the end of last week's episode there was a poem called Megatron. I do remember that poem. Yes. Dear Claire and James, says Amber, I wanted to thank you and yell at you for playing that poem Megatron. Collings put it in. Yell at Collings.
Starting point is 00:31:12 We did tell him to. I was in the middle of doing my makeup, working on my eyeshadow, when the poem played and when she said the line, I'm told these marks are bad, I lost it. Tears streamed down my face with how it hit me, how exhausted I am with hating my body after three kids. Needless to say, I had to do a retouch of my makeup. Thank you for sharing that poem.
Starting point is 00:31:31 It reminded me to take a break from others' expectations of how my body should look. Love your show. I listen to you guys every week. Keep the wrecks coming, especially anything for the kids. The 13-story treehouse book series is a huge hit at our house now. Oh, cool. Excellent.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I know. And, Amber, you are beautiful. I can already tell because. You can hear it. You can hear it come through. You can't hear an email if you listen. You don't even have to listen that closely. You can just tell.
Starting point is 00:31:57 You know what I mean? Yeah. I just, I think it's so interesting. I got this email when I was kind of feeling down about myself too after two kids. Yeah. And I just think's so interesting. I got this email when I was kind of feeling down about myself too after two kids. Yeah. And I just think that is crazy. That's why I loved Holly's poem because I think it really is incredible
Starting point is 00:32:13 that we can make humans. And our bodies are different, but different is not bad. That's right. It's just society sometimes airbrushes everything out. Exactly. To make it feel like we need to look a certain way. And it's a good poem because I did listen back to that episode and I did hear the poem.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Oh, there you go. Well, anyway, lots of love to you, Amber. And oh, Captain Underpants is another great reco for kids. Kids know Captain Underpants. Do they? Well, I'm just letting them know in case she doesn't. Maybe we should save that for another week. I could talk about Captain Underpants.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Yeah, well, we'll talk about it later but just a sneaky one in there if you're looking for something. You know that really popular book series that's been around since the mid-'90s? Well, we recommended the 13th Story Treehouse and we got lots of people writing in to say it's from that, James. Yeah, but that's specifically Australian. Captain Underpants is international. It's got movies and TV shows.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Ed Helms plays Captain Underpants in the movie. Well, there you go. Oh, we're both yawning because we've had enough podcasting for today. They're all tuckered out from aggressively yelling in English accents at each other. I'm so sorry about that. Okay, have a lovely week with Bits Festival Pod. Thank you to Collings for editing this ramble. Thank you, Collings.
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