Suspicion | The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman - S2 The Billionaire Murders | E5 Wrong Turns

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

When the lead Toronto homicide detective avoids the crime scene and juniors can’t walk across the road to collect key surveillance video, that’s a sign of a poor investigation. And that was just ...day one after Honey and Barry Sherman were found dead. Join veteran investigative reporter Kevin Donovan as he details the mistakes that turned this case cold. This is episode five of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it. Audio Sources: Sherman family reward press conference, Toronto Police, Law and Order NBC, CTV News, CP24

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So you had a dream? I'm learning dreams about my father and Barry. But I came out of my house and Barry was my driveway. Barry was a shitty shirt, shitty pants, and he's ugly. The ugly is running shoes. I've never seen him in my life. You know the ones that look like from Jerry Seinfeld, the guy who did were like the rapper and the famous. Yeah, I claim that he could jump on the flavor, the rubber and the flavor. Yeah, yeah, the flavor. Yeah, the flavor, the flavor, the flavor, the flavor,
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Starting point is 00:01:33 We go down rabbit holes like the one about Barry parking underground the night he died. Frank says Barry was physically lazy, always parked in the circular driveway. That the killer must have lured him down the ramp into the garage. I say, look, Frank, it was starting to snow that night and Barry drove a convertible. No matter the topic, Frank comes back to the same theme. He wants an arrest. He wants closure.
Starting point is 00:02:00 There's no fucking way. No way. I'm going to die. I'm going to die a wants closure. From the Toronto Star, I'm Kevin Donovan, and this is the billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman. Episode 5. Wrong Turns In this episode, I want to focus on the mistakes police made, the forensic blunders, the leadership gaps, the wrong questions asked, and something we can't blame the police for. How Barry Sherman's own company, claiming legal privilege, blocked the cops from examining his phone, computer, and office files for a month.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I want to understand the effect of all of this on the case, along with the complication of having a parallel investigation carried out by the Sherman family. And you have to wonder, had cops been more on the ball, had information being more readily accessible, maybe this five-year-old case would already be solved. As an attempt to reignite an investigation, the Sherman family had asked me to announce the offer of a reward of up to ten million dollars for information leading to the apprehension and prosecution of those responsible for the murders, the Honey and Barry Sherman.
Starting point is 00:03:49 That's Tronto criminal lawyer Brian Greenspan, speaking for the Sherman family 10 months after the murders. He's announcing a reward and telling tipsters to contact his private investigation team. Call Center has been established to collect tips and information 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It will be live monitored from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. daily and monitored by a voice message overnight. The leaves will be analyzed, embedded, and any meaningful information will be conveyed immediately to the Toronto Police Service. Now, this is a press conference about a murder case, but there are no cops present, just reporters.
Starting point is 00:04:34 We're in a cavernous auditorium at Apatex headquarters, Greenspan's at the podium. To his right, sitting at a long table, our five of his private investigators retired homicide and forensic cops. Greenspan's round, hulking stature, and that mischievous look in his eyes, he kind of reminds me of the penguin in a Batman movie. He was hired by the Sherman family the same day the bombshell news hit that police thought it was a murder suicide. Greenspan's instructions? Find out what the cops missed.
Starting point is 00:05:07 At the outset of my remarks today, I wish to reaffirm the pledge and commitment made by the Sherman family and maintained throughout the investigation to support the Toronto police service in their efforts to seek justice for their parents and to pursue those responsible for these unspeakable crimes. The sole objective of ensuring that no stone be left unturned and the private resources which the Sherman family will continue to make available is the enhancement of the police investigation of their parents' murders and the advancement of the common goal of finding and prosecuting the perpetrators. My colleague, Proto-Star columnist Rosie Dimanal, slammed this as too-tier policing, only
Starting point is 00:06:01 available to the very rich. She railed against Green Span's plan for tips to go to his team, and then they would send the information to police. It was an odd proposal coming from one of Canada's top criminal lawyers, someone not known for cooperating with the cops. Full disclosure, Green Span's never been a fan of mine. He once held a press conference outside a courthouse to denounce my investigation on one of his previous clients, saying I was irresponsible and reporting rumors. Here, 10 months into the Sherman case, Greenspan says he's announcing the $10 million reward
Starting point is 00:06:42 for one reason. Look to light the fire under the Toronto Police Service. Greenspan said somebody in the criminal community needs an incentive. This is the opportunity for those people to come forward. And as they become wealthy, their colleagues who were engaged in this crime become the subjects of a prosecution. The reward was a brainchild of Alexandra Sherman, one of Barry and Honey's daughters.
Starting point is 00:07:14 She suggested $1 million, but just before this press conference, Brother Jonathan said, let's go big, $10 million. The reward became the headline. But the meat of Greenspan's remarks was a stinging condemnation of the Toronto police. The police failed to properly examine and assess the crime scene where Barry and Honey Sherman were located in the basement by the pool.
Starting point is 00:07:39 They failed to recognize the suspicious and staged manner in which their bodies were situated. The lead investigator, Detective Sergeant Susan Gohms, didn't go to the crime scene when the bodies were there. She sent a more junior officer, Detective Brandon Price. He's the cop who told reporters there was no sign of forced entry, and police were not looking for any outstanding suspects. Greenspan said that's just bad police work. Police are required by law to maintain a certain professional standard in their approach
Starting point is 00:08:13 to investigations, but in this case, at this stage of the investigation, the manner in which the Toronto Police Service conducted itself, so well below that standard of our reasonable officer and similar circumstances should have acted. Do you watch crime shows? Law and order is my favorite. Two detectives, two prosecutors. Every episode starts with a gruesome discovery, a jogger, skateboarder, guy taking a pee in the bushes, someone stumbles over a dead body. In the next beat, something else always happens. Two people show up. They examine the body, the crime scene,
Starting point is 00:09:00 then there's usually a quipper too. Looks like it to do list. Pick up dry cleaning, photos, flowers for Susie. Looks like Susie will be the one sent in flowers. The gruff veteran and the brash young detective, both looking for clues. Retired homicide cops, I know, say it's vital for the officer in charge to be there, coordinating the work of other detectives and the forensic team, conducting preliminary interviews. But Susan Gohms, the lead investigator on the Sherman case, didn't go to the crime scene.
Starting point is 00:09:34 I tried to get an explanation from her. No luck. A police spokesperson dismissed my concerns, telling me Gohms had complete confidence in price. I wouldn't learn about her absence for two years. Back in the early days of the probe, Gomes made it seem like everything was done perfectly. From the outset of this investigation, we have followed the evidence,
Starting point is 00:09:56 and we were live to the issue of an undetermined manner of death. The integrity of every homicide investigation is paramount. Facts guide our focus. Conjecture and speculation have no place. Those retired homicide detectives I know say it's tough to follow the evidence when you don't go to the crime scene. And of course, the old crew always thinks they did it better in their day. Here, I'd have to agree. What I did learn is that when Gomez was assigned,
Starting point is 00:10:26 she had one foot out the door from homicide. She'd done her time. According to former police chief Mark Saunders, once a homicide detective himself, she's a good cop. Saunders spoke up in her defense after the Greenspan press conference, where her investigation was called into question. I know it detects the search in Susan Gomes, and she is being a homicide investigator for quite some time, very credible in the courtroom. His presenters are self-well, and in every case that I have seen her involved in.
Starting point is 00:10:57 In his critique of the police, Greenspan pointed out his team discovered a problem with one of the locks at the Sherman home, which one of my sources said was the front door lock. It had been spun, meaning someone had broken it with a screwdriver. Somehow, the police missed that. Along with the fact that a side door in the Sherman home was unlocked and a window was open in the basement, gomes would eventually be promoted and moved out of homicide. Brandon Price, the junior detective on the case, was also promoted and took over the probe.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Thank you for joining us today. My name is Brandon Price. I am a detective surgeon with the Toronto Police Service Homicide Squad. Hindsight is 2020. Big case, lots of moving parts. You'd expect some missteps. But with the Sherman investigation, there's just too many. And it turns out there's no system at the Toronto Police Service to conduct a review of an investigation so that mistakes don't happen twice.
Starting point is 00:11:58 One of the missteps related to a basic homicide investigation protocol. Incidentally last week I was fingerprinted. That's Denise Gold. She's the personal trainer who worked with Barry and Honey the day they died. When I spoke to her nine months after the murders, she told me that a Toronto police forensic officer had recently arrived to take her fingerprints and DNA. I'm not surprised, but what took them so long?
Starting point is 00:12:26 I mean, I was in the house the morning out of which is, you know, fire, I said there's probably more of my DNA and fingerprints in the house than whoever yelled them. Denise is talking about elimination fingerprints and DNA. That's homicide 101. In the case of the Sherman's, with a 12,000 square foot house and people in and out all the time, you want to know who has legitimate access to the house, the cleaners, the real turn, clients, the personal trainers, family, everyone. You collect their fingerprints and DNA early, then you eliminate them from all the fingerprints
Starting point is 00:13:06 and DNA you find at the crime scene. In an ideal world, that leaves you with a suspect or suspects. By the way, Denise wasn't an outlier in a busy investigation. It was worse with the golf girls, Dahlia and Anita, who just a few weeks before, were on a long golf trip with honey. Dahlia and honey took turns driving while Anita sat in the back seat. Is there a favorite in the two of you, too?
Starting point is 00:13:34 To match your fingerprints to the car? No, but we were thinking we went, oh my God. I can't see my foot, be all over the place. We've got, like, my golf balls in here. I have to go to her a piece all over the place. We've got like, I've got my golf balls in her truck somewhere. I checked recently. Toronto Police never took fingerprints or DNA from either woman. Yet one of the theories police have pursued is that someone got in the car with honey the night she died.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Brian Greenspan, the Sherman lawyer in the first two years, complained about forensic missteps at the press conference where he announced the reward. One of the first steps in a murder investigations to collect all fingerprints and potential DNA from the scene. And to compare those fingerprints and bodily fluids with those from everyone known to have been present at the scene at a time proximate to the crime.
Starting point is 00:14:30 This collection of prints and fluids is conducted for the simple purpose of elimination. Whose fingerprints do we recognize? Whose might have been left behind by an intruder? We know that today, more than 10 months after the murders, this preliminary and simple task has not yet been completed. Green span went one step further. Aside from failing to complete this standard protocol of fingerprint elimination, the police also missed at least 25 palm or fingerprint impressions that were
Starting point is 00:15:04 discovered by our private team at the scene once the house had been turned over to us after more than six weeks of police presence. Greenspan and his private investigators also discovered that the police forensic team didn't vacuum the pool deck floor to pick up any microscopic evidence that a killer might have left behind. His team turned over two vacuum bags of fine particles, plus the finger and palm print impressions to police. Whether that was a value, police have not said. At the press conference, Greenspan summed up the effect of the mistakes this way. For the family, the most perplexing and upsetting aspect of the investigation was the failure to recognize the obvious that the bodies of Barian honey Sherman were staged post mortem
Starting point is 00:15:57 in a very deliberate manner. This entire process is caused needless additional pain and suffering to the Sherman family. It wasn't just inside the Sherman home where mistakes were made. In this day and age, home security and street and transit mounted CCTV cameras are one of the best weapons police have. Susan Gomes, the lead investigator for the first year, acknowledged this. Neighborhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residents. This is included the collection of approximately four
Starting point is 00:16:30 terabytes of security video from both commercial and regidantial properties. There are approximately 500 hours in each of these terabytes. Except, they missed the house across the road. We'll be right back. It has been over a year since the shocking murders of the billionaire Philanthropist in their custom home and no arrest. That's the voice of Austin Delaney, a CTV reporter covering the Sherman case. A year and a bit after the murders, the Sherman children got permission to knock down Old
Starting point is 00:17:20 Colony Road. Delaney went door to door looking for reaction. He discovered something nobody had dug up before. Today, a neighbor across the street told CTV News, she provided investigators with surveillance images. She says she'll show a car in the Sherman's driveway the day before the bodies were discovered. After I saw the CTV report, I went and talked to the husband and wife with the time lived across from the Sherman home.
Starting point is 00:17:49 They're concerned for their safety, so I'm gonna call them Mr. and Mrs. Smith. There's two parts to their story. One related to what's on the video, the other to how long it took police to seize it. Let's start there first, going back to midday on the Friday when the bodies were discovered.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Here's the police officer speaking to reporters who were trying to figure out what happened and who is dead. It's a 911 call for a medical complaint. Three tear spots, meaning police fire and ambulance show up. Our information was that there were two bodies discovered in a home here in the baby you Avenue at, we'll call the erode area and what we got inside we have found two bodies deceased their penelites by ambulance. That Friday afternoon two
Starting point is 00:18:34 other police constipals walked the perimeter of the Sherman home unspooling yellow caution tape tying it to a for sale sign and some bushes. Across the road, Mr. and Mrs. Smith notice the activity. Mrs. Smith puts on her coat and boots and walks across the road. She tells a uniform cop her house has two cameras trained on their own property but they also pick up the street and the Sherman driveway and the front door. Would you like the video? She asks? The officer stares at Mrs. Smith.
Starting point is 00:19:07 He's a big guy. Ma'am were very busy. We'll get to you. Mrs. Smith goes back to her house. The next day, Saturday, the Smiths try again. Conscious of the fact that their cameras are on a seven-day loop loop as each new day is recorded, one day drops off. There's a new cop at the yellow police tape.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Sir, we live across the street. We have security video. Would you like to have it? The cop stares at the couple. We're very busy, he says. We'll get to you. Sunday comes. The Smiths are leaving on a ski trip.
Starting point is 00:19:44 They've given up on the cops at the scene and have been randomly calling Toronto police numbers. Finally, they get someone, but the officer can't come until Sunday afternoon. The Smiths have to get one of their adult children to let the police in. Three days video gone. So what was on that video? The neighbor who did not want to be on camera says her camera captured the images of a man going in and out of the Sherman home, sometimes
Starting point is 00:20:11 sitting in his car for up to 15 minutes, then returning inside. Here's what I learned what I sat down with Mr. and Mrs. Smith. While the police delayed, the couple decided to look at the video. Thinking that whatever happened to the Sherman's occurred the day before, they only looked at Thursday's footage, not Wednesday the day the Sherman's were murdered. On the Thursday morning at 9.11am, a four-door car pulls up on the street outside the Sherman home. The car stays parked at the curb, up on the street outside the Sherman home. The car stays parked at the curb, not on the Sherman's driveway as CTV reported, for just over one hour.
Starting point is 00:20:53 During that time, a man gets out of the car three times and walks onto the Sherman property and up to the front door. The images are blurry. The Smiths say it looks like the man goes inside the front door. But Sherman lawyer Brian Greenspan, who has seen the video, says that's not clear. Maybe he goes in, maybe he just stays at the door. You can't make out his features or his license plate. Eventually he drives off. By the time I interviewed the Smiths, they only had their notes, not the video. I asked the police about this, and of course, I'm keen to know what the Wednesday video shows, specifically around the time
Starting point is 00:21:39 of the murders. The police say that to release these videos to the public would hurt their case. As to the identity of the man at the Sherman home, while the Sherman's lay dead in their pool room, here's then police chief Mark Saunders. When it comes to who knew what information, what was done with it, I can tell you that we had the information that is of concern right now that is being addressed. And I'm not sure what the intent is with how it's portrayed, but I can tell you we knew who person was. Why do we there? It was interviewed. And so it's not in any way we dropped the ball.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Our officers did not drop the ball. Chief Saunders, he never answers questions directly. But here's another part of the mystery. At the same time as this person was walking back and forth to the Sherman's home that Thursday morning, a uniform police officer was knocking on a door, a few houses east on Old Colney Road, asking if the homeowner had made a 911 call.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Hey, guys, 911 call. That's what they said. And that it came from my house. We're not identifying the homeowner, and their voice has been altered. What the homeowner told me was that no 911 call came from their home. The next day, when the story about the Sherman's death hits the news,
Starting point is 00:23:02 the homeowner goes to the local police station to report that police were at their home, checking out a 911 call. I was out with family members that evening, forget her and everyone was saying that maybe I should just go to the police station because what we heard, it just all seemed very strange to me. It was not me feeling really weird, but at that time that I would have had, or the day would think that there was some emergency call that came from me.
Starting point is 00:23:32 It's just too much of a coincidence, I thought. But again, I made that report to the police station on Friday evening, and they made lighter birds also. The police have refused to answer my questions about this. I'm sorry to you for being made like a bird all-story. The police have refused to answer my questions about this. I believe it's possible that on the Thursday morning, police were checking out a 911 call from the area, and that perhaps the call was made the night before, just not followed up on, from a cell phone, not a landline. And I believe it's possible that the man going up to the Sherman's door at the same time
Starting point is 00:24:10 was a plane-close police officer, checking out the 911 call. Here's the homeowner again. I guess what was in the back of my mind was the happening in the Sherman house and somebody pressed a phone, you know, who's in the pocket or who knows what. So that is stayed with me. When I heard about the murderer, I know they were at St. St. St. St. St. St. St.
Starting point is 00:24:39 St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. St. You're killing someone calling up for help. And I, that's what I, that's just stayed with me. You're probably wondering, have police check the Sherman phones, landline and cellular, to see if a 911 call was made?
Starting point is 00:24:56 They have, but I don't know what they found. They've released some of Barry and Honey's phone records, but not all. Intriguingly, I do know from the police documents that officers conducted a test of the emergency system in the area of the Sherman home to see if a call would go through. They say that was routine. I don't think so. I believe it's possible that one of the reasons for police secrecy is that they're embarrassed
Starting point is 00:25:23 they missed a call for help. Through photogametry performed, we have been able to determine that the suspect in this video is standing between five foot six and five foot nine and a half. There may be a legitimate explanation as to what this person's actions were in the area.
Starting point is 00:25:43 If you recognize yourself in this video, please come forward so you can be excluded from our investigation. However, it is our hope that someone will come forward with a name when they recognize the individual's walk. That's Brandon Price, addressing reporters at police headquarters the day he released the Walking Man video. In episode three, I told you about what I think was another mistake police made sitting on this video for four years. The Walking Man, police say he's the killer or one of the killers,
Starting point is 00:26:18 was caught on video in the Sherman neighborhood the night they were murdered. Here's Price explaining why he waited so long. It's been with us from the early stages of this investigation. It took some time to collect all of this footage. It took some time to analyze the footage to be able to link these images together and identify that this individual's timeline was consistent with when we believe these offenses took place. Let's think about this for a minute. The cops have video of this guy.
Starting point is 00:26:54 He's not a man walking his dog or going to the store. I agree it's suspicious, given his proximity to the Sherman home at the time of the murders. Due to the location of cameras at surrounding homes, they can't be sure he goes inside, but they think he does. I know that for many weeks after the Sherman bodies were found, police stationed a squad car in the driveway are the house that backs onto the Sherman home. The theory was that the killer entered through that property and hopped offence to the Sherman's, walking past their tennis court and their outdoor pool and entering through a patio door. Police figured the killer must have had a cell phone on him and been in communication
Starting point is 00:27:40 with someone pulling the strings on the murder plot. As part of their hunt for him, detectives assembled a list of 300 telephone numbers from people they have interviewed. We're talking business associates, family, friends, probably the phone numbers of some people who didn't really get along with the Sherman's. Then they got court orders to analyze the communications, phone, and text, pinging off cell towers near Old Colony Road that night.
Starting point is 00:28:12 They came up empty handed, talk about a needle in a haystack. I remember asking the detective tasked with this job if they'd considered that the killers used two-way radios, which don't ping off towers, they hadn't. The other thing the police didn't do was check video at the Toronto airports to see if anyone matching the description of their walking man went through security that night. Police said it never occurred to them. It's easy to pick apart the Sherman investigation.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Lots of wrong turns and five years in, nothing. But I'll give the police a pass on one problem they had at the beginning of the investigation. Detective Gohms hinted at this during her press conference, but it would be two years before I understood the severity of the issue. We are in the process of attaining or have it executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches. Legal complexities and some executions have been challenging, giving the to just nature of Barry Sherman's businesses. In particular, the search and seizure of electronics and Barry Sherman's workspace at Apatex. When Trotto Police entered Ol' Callney Road, they found Barry's Blackberry and Honey's iPhone.
Starting point is 00:29:28 They also found a couple of iPads in the Master bedroom and a desktop computer. At Apatex, in Barry's office, they found stacks of files and his desktop computer. Police got access to Honey's phone within five days, but it would be a full month until police got their hands on Barry's devices or were allowed to look through his files. One of the documents I went to court to get on seal explained why. Behind this secrecy was a deal hammered out between Apatex lawyers from the Goodman's firm and Ontario government lawyers. The law firm asserted privilege,
Starting point is 00:30:07 saying Apatex is a big complicated company with many trade secrets. The government agreed. A unique protocol was worked out. Police officers from another unit, not working on the case, would seize everything, but then handed over to the Apatex law firm for review. Four weeks to the day after the bodies were found, the homicide detectives finally got access.
Starting point is 00:30:32 But here's a chilling piece of information. To this day, police don't have everything. The protocol gave Apatex lawyers the right to determine what police could and could not see. And even when police were given security footage from Apatex, they waited weeks to look at it. When they did, they realized they lacked a software to view the tapes, so it was back to Apatex to get their help. At the top of the episode, you heard from Frank D'Angelo, Barry's friend and business associate. Frank says the police mistakes keep him up at night, as do his dreams about Barry and wondering what happened.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Frank said he owes it to his friend to keep searching for answers. He thinks Barry would have done the same for him, and it still haunts Frank that Barry canceled on him the week he died. And Barry, every year here, here where I'm sitting, we have a Christmas party for our suppliers. He would sit right here. I know, I know. And never, and when he died, he could make it on the Tuesday because it had some shit to do. It's the first time we missed that. Frank used to have his annual Christmas lunch at Mama D's. The restaurant he used to run beside his juice-bodling plant. With Barry gone, he was cut off from Sherman Money and
Starting point is 00:31:53 lost all his businesses. Leading up to that Tuesday lunch, Barry had told Gemma, Frank's wife, that he couldn't make it because he had a meeting. As I understand it, that was the architect meeting to discuss Barry and Honey's new house. But then that meeting got rescheduled to the next day, the Wednesday, and it's after that meeting that Barry and Honey are killed. The Tuesday, 12th Wednesday, and it called me Tuesday night, to apologize that he couldn't make it,
Starting point is 00:32:24 and I was busted in his his balls, and it was around 10 o'clock, and said, hi Frank, it's Barry, I know it's you. And I busted his balls a little bit, I can't believe you didn't show up. Unlikely friends for sure, but I've no doubt that Barry and Frank were close. Jack K told me that Barry liked Frank because he was a hard worker, a dreamer with a lot of ideas. But while Barry liked Frank, his kids didn't, and that was just one of the many problems that made the Sherman House not a happy home. Next time on The Bill billionaire murders. Dr. Sherman's to sit for a guy is, Barry will give you the sky the sun in the moon.
Starting point is 00:33:09 But if you fuck with Barry, you hit Barry with a fly swatter, he's gonna hit you with a fucking slide chatter. My dad has values and morality and principles and respect and how the disinfoils are treated well, it's like a family. This family's worth billions. And Barry actually snapped and killed Honey to try to stage it like a suicide. You have to understand my hatred of Bill, my disdain for him, is only because of his betrayal and his lies. The billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers
Starting point is 00:33:42 of Honey and Barry Sherman, is written and narrated by me, Kevin Donovan. He was produced by Sean Paddendin, Raju Mudar, Alexis Green, and JP Foso, additional production from Brian Bradley and Crawford Blair. Sound and music was created by Sean Paddendin. Look out for my book, The billionaire murders, and coming later this year, The Crave Documentary by the same name. you

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