Suspicion | The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman - S2 The Billionaire Murders | E6 Family Matters

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

All the money in the world can’t buy happiness and the home of Honey and Barry Sherman tells that story. Honey was tough on the kids. Barry was a soft touch. Riches were doled out unevenly and th...ere was division over each other’s lives. Then there were the four cousins who went after Barry in the courts. This is episode six of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, investigative reporter Kevin Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it. Audio Sources: CityNews, Sherman Memorial

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Starting point is 00:00:00 But I see my shriek now every week by using my seam every two weeks. I am clean and sober like, but I don't want to relapse. Okay, wait till taste that Kevin. Delicious. Carrie Winter and I are in line at a hot table restaurant shortly after police announced his cousin Barry and wife Honey were victims of a targeted double murder. Carrie encourages me to try the lasagna and a steaming tray, and he's right. It's excellent.
Starting point is 00:00:25 He's the first of the extended Sherman family who has agreed to talk. I want him to tell me about Barry the person, his connections to family, and the role his immense wealth played in those relationships. Carrie says he'll do his best, but he wants to make it clear he still thinks it's murder suicide, and Sherman lawyer Brian Greenspan is part of the cover-up. But this family's worth Billy up and Barry actually snapped and killed Nuddy but tried to stage it like a suicide. Because of their billions and they have the access and the money to hire a guy like Greenspan, they shouldn't have the right to rewrite history.
Starting point is 00:01:04 If Barry snapped and killed there, it's done is finished. I'd picked him out of the way table, but two guys sit down nearby and one does a double take, recognizing Carrie from a television interview where he revealed he'd long-fantissized about cutting Barry's head off and rolling it down the apotech sidewalk. The guy gives Carrie a thumbs up. Over lunch, Carrie starts telling me about the good days he had with his cousin Barry before their relationship went off the rails. I mean there was 15 years that man didn't just give me lots of money and bankroll my custom homebiz, but he was a real manch today. He was very kind to me. Carrie's six feet tall has a thick head of wavy dark hair. He's got big powerful hands from years of working construction.
Starting point is 00:01:53 I notice his face has bright red marks on it. This is early in my investigation when one theory out there was that Carrie was the killer. I'm wondering if he's been in a struggle or a fight. He says no. He's getting laser treatment to heal a skin condition. Carrie starts talking about the old days with Barry. His voice, well, he sounds like a radio DJ to me. Energetic and expressive. Here's a story. Every year, you get these little photos of your children from school.
Starting point is 00:02:24 And it often asks me bring your kids up to singing. This is back in the early 90s. And, I always tell my kids, we're going to go and see cousin Barry, go and give them a big hug. And, you'd always take those pictures and put it on his desk. In these frames, Rick beside his old shoulder. Very few people can walk through the security doors of Apatex. Literally, walk through the doors, go down the hall, second door of the right, jacks office, third door of his barriots.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Honey could do that, and make. Carrie and his three siblings, Tim, Jeff, and Dana, were the children of Lou Winter, Barry's uncle. Lou was the generic pioneer who gave Barry his start. When Lou died, Barry purchased Lou's company, Empire Drugs, then sold it, and a couple of years later, Barry founded Apatex. Carrie and his brothers were little kids when that happened. Barry was in his 20s. They reconnected when Carrie was an adult,
Starting point is 00:03:23 and he would often just hang around the Apatex office. We would talk. We talk of the love. We talk about his unhappens. We talk about his unhappy marriage. As Barry started his meteoric rise, he began funding enterprises started by Carrie Jeff and Dana, and bought them houses, cottages, funded businesses, about $15 million in total. Generous for sure, but later, Kerry would see these as financial handcuffs.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Still, they were family. But I'll never forget one time we were talking. And he looked at me and he says, you know why I liked you? She didn't like when you come up at sea. And he said, no. And he says, because you're always so, you're foric, you make me laugh.
Starting point is 00:04:08 He said that. I said, I make you laugh, here's you make me laugh. From the Toronto Star, I'm Kevin Donovan. And this is the billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman. Episode 6. Family Matters Barry Sherman's Mantra, how we like to make money and give it away, didn't leave a lot of time for family. Other than a safari in Africa when the kids were very young, I haven't heard of too many
Starting point is 00:04:56 trips with honey and berry. But if someone was in trouble, berry was there. He liked to fix problems. That pattern was laid down with his four young cousins. I was on and off drugs the whole time I knew Barry. He actually was instrumental and getting me off drugs. Because Dana, my younger brother, also had a severe drug to him. And he had bankrolled at least one, if not two two treatment centers, which was like 20 grand at the time. Carrie's late brother, Dana, was, honey's friends have told me, charming, with movie star
Starting point is 00:05:31 good looks. He worked at a golf resort, Barry owned, but was fired because he was sleeping with a female golfers. He also had a serious drug problem. Barry funded a couple of rehab treatments, none successful. Dana wound up dealing drugs and was charged by police in Western Canada with a murder for a higher plot over unpaid drug debts. Barry hopped on a plane and bailed him out, but just a few weeks later, Dana was dead of a drug overdose.
Starting point is 00:06:01 For Carrie, a graduate of a good British college, drug addiction started with a form of cocaine while he was backpacking in Peru. Barry used to say, you're on drugs too, you're on drugs. Now, in minimise, he said, not so bad, I'm not so bad. And then we made a deal. He said, if you can't stay up, drumps. I'm a senior to a treatment center. And I had a fear of treatment, because it was a revolving door from my brother again.
Starting point is 00:06:27 The idea of a treatment center didn't sit well with Carrie. He proposed a different plan. So I said, I'll tell you what, Bro. Let me work in the warehouse for three months. He gave me a pair of boots, and I pushed this little trolley cart up and down the shelves, just pulling drugs off the shelves. I was like an order picker. And then I'd take it to this big table where they packaged it up.
Starting point is 00:06:49 It was like in the shipping department. And I'll never forget that 90th day I walked in Barry's office, I dropped the boots on the floor, and he says, so you going to treatment? I said, no Barry, I'm coming up to 30 days clean. His eyes opened up, heuppies say that again? It was around this time that Kerry says Barry made a most unusual request. One that Kerry would announce in shocking fashion to the world,
Starting point is 00:07:16 five weeks after Barry and Honey's bodies were found. Here's Kerry in an interview recorded by the Daily Mail and played on City News in Toronto. In an interview with the British tabloid the 56-year-old claims his pharmaceutical tycoon cousin had once asked him in the 90s To help Hatch a plan to kill his wife, but eventually decided not to go through with it I made a call knowing that my friend Louis could easily set it up because he was a quasi-gangster He knew a lot of that people and he said the body will go missing. There's not gonna be a bullet in the back of the head, a car exploding, she's gonna go missing.
Starting point is 00:07:50 And I said, Barry, Louis wants you to know that if we push this button, there's no turning back. I've changed my mind, you know, you're right, taking out my wife. You know, it's not a good thing. Now, Kerry made the same claim to me and others in the media. He told me he suggested that Barry simply divorce honey. But I know that he couldn't handle her getting half his money.
Starting point is 00:08:19 And I said, Barry, you've got so many billions hit. Why you do this, give her a couple billion? And he says, you don't get it, she's not getting the money. I found his claim impossible to verify, though I did speak to an old friend of his who recalled Kerry talking about the murder plot back in the 1990s. But I've always thought there was a less sinister explanation. That Kerry, when he was hanging around with bad people, was talking big one day. Barry called him on it.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I know Barry had a nerdish, almost scientific fascination with the rough side of life. Yes, he often asked about what it was like to take drugs. He wanted to know what that was, because Barry, crack is a really bad drug. When you smoke it, you get this fricking rush, because what's that rush like? So I described it to him, but after you get really paranoid, it was wide. I said, I know, it's like this psychosis sets and you get them fucking weird and start looking around and get all weird.
Starting point is 00:09:12 It goes, if that what happens to you when you do that, I said, yeah. Yeah, that's what it was like to shoot heroin. I told them. I said, I'd like to do a matrug. I put it to carry that maybe Barry was not serious about any of this, drugs or murder. Just curious.
Starting point is 00:09:27 And perhaps Barry said one day, hang on, Carrie. You say you have all these underworld drug connections. How bad are they? Are they killers? And you egged him on and Barry said, are you telling me you could get someone killed? Like my wife? In the restaurant, Carrie sat back and listened quietly to my theory. His fork towing with a last bit of lasagna on his plate.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I think it might be right. But I know for sure. He talked about it. Carrie was adamant about one thing. Barry and Honey did not get along. He not only had to stain for her, and that she would need a little, but then he had a terrible timber, treating them like a piece of garbage, and also nagging from Haini and making derogatory comments how he could dress himself, and one time she said, do you believe this carry?
Starting point is 00:10:22 Your cousin's going to come home tonight, and I have to dress him because he couldn't coordinate a paraslaks in a jacket shirt and tie, like just bitter, cheap. That there was turmoil between Barry and Honey in years past. Comes up in the police interviews with the four Sherman children. These are statements taken at a time
Starting point is 00:10:42 when police were still chasing the murder suicide theory. Cops were looking for an explanation as to why Barry would kill honey. Lauren, the eldest, told the detective that, growing up, her parents were the swearing and screaming type, but their arguments never got physical. Daughter Alexandra called her parents' relationship difficult, but this improved over time and Lauren said that in recent years Her parents were getting along better and were seen holding hands in public
Starting point is 00:11:11 Carrie's knowledge of Barry and Honey's relationship sounded historical not current The guys beside us get up to go one One of them insists on shaking Carrie's hand. I can see Carrie likes the notoriety. And you have to understand, my hatred of Barry, my disdain for him, was only because of his portrayal and his lies. The dispute began when his brother Jeffery stumbled over an option agreement from Barry's purchase of Empire Labs back in the 1960s. If you recall, Lou Winter, Barry's uncle, and the owner of Empire, had died suddenly,
Starting point is 00:11:49 leaving behind a wife and four young children, Carrie, Jeffrey, Dana, and Tim. Barry saw this as an opportunity to get into generic drugs. He included the option to make his offer more attractive to the trust company looking after affairs for the winter children. Kerry and his siblings would later argue in court that this option entitled them to a one-fifth share in Apatex, roughly $1 billion today. Without empire, they said there'd be no Apatex.
Starting point is 00:12:20 In turn, Barry argued the option agreement was worthless, that it lapsed when Barry sold Empire two years after he bought it. It would only have been exercised if Barry still owned lose company when the four kids reached 21. I think that option is one of the earliest examples of Barry Sherman creating a legal document to advance his own interests. But just before the cousins took Barry to court, Kerry brought his kids to an Apatex Christmas party for one last time. Through to the Mount of the Perky Club, and he said, you know, there's not too many people in the world that have a cousin Barry. I said, well, why not Barry? I know that. He says, do you know that?
Starting point is 00:13:04 They said, yeah, yeah, I know that. He says, do you know that? I said, yeah, yeah, I know that. He says, no, I don't think you do it. You're thinking of coming after me, but you should think twice because you were beat me. You understand me. You don't know who I am yet. I say, I know who you are. He says, I'm good to you. I give you everything you want.
Starting point is 00:13:21 Why do you want to come after me? The lawsuit got vicious on both sides. Carrie said at one point he decided, forget the money, he wanted something bigger, his father lose name on a hospital, and something else. I said to Barry what's at a 120% of apoptix, I don't want anything, Barry, I just wanted to tell me the truth. Why do you keep lied to me? She got how many years he lied to me both the off? In the fall of 2017, Carrie and his siblings lost their fight. The case over, Barry asked for $1 million in legal costs.
Starting point is 00:13:55 The judge knocked that down to $300,000. This is another piece of information that feeds into my perfect storm theory. Events just before the murders. But for now, let's think of this sad family tale that took 50 years to write. I've talked to friends of Barry and they say the lawsuit both saddened and angered him. Frank D'Angelo, who was on the receiving end of Barry's generosity for years, has this take on why Barry fought his cousins so hard. Dr. Sherman's just a feb a guy is.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Barry will give you the sky the sun in the moon. But if you fuck with Barry, you hit Barry the fly swatter he's gonna hit you with a fucker's life jacket. We'll be right back. It's funny. The Sherman Wealth is so much a part of their story, but I don't think Barry or Honey were ever comfortable with money, or cared about how much they had. I think Barry would have happily continued to fund his cousins if they'd not asked for
Starting point is 00:15:08 in his opinion too much. This awkward relationship with finances influenced how the Sherman's managed or rather did not manage the expectations of their own children. If you stop and think about it, growing up incredibly wealthy comes with its own set of problems. You see, Barry and Honey were millionaires by the time they were 40, billionaires in their 50s, but they weren't spenders. Their clothes were cheap. Honey wore those same workout shorts for 20 years.
Starting point is 00:15:38 She bought belts on sale at Canadian Tire. Barry had his uniform, khaki pants, white shirt, brown jacket, but he was happiest wearing an Apatex lab coat. And just look at their two aging vehicles. Both had accidents the year they died. Barry had a fender bender on Highway 401 heading home, and Honey had a deer driving home from a friend's cottage. These cars were 15 and 10 years old respectively. And both Barry and Honey got a mechanic to do cheap repairs they boasted from a friend's cottage. These cars were 15 and 10 years old respectively, and both Barry and Honey got a mechanic to do cheap repairs they boasted about to friends and family.
Starting point is 00:16:12 Maybe they were a little like investor and philanthropist Warren Buffett, worth over $100 billion. He still lives in a five bedroom house in Omaha. He bought in 1958 and drives around in a seven-year-old Cadillac. There was something when there brains that was just odd. They didn't... Well, in their way they did, I guess, in everybody else's view, certainly in mind, they never enjoyed their material success. That's Trotto real estate mogul Ed Sunshine. He's also a philanthropist, a self-made man whose parents
Starting point is 00:16:46 were survivors of Auschwitz. Like honey, Ed was born in a displaced persons camp. He'd worked hard all his life and enjoys the fruits of his labors. He never understood the Sherman approach. Now that we're gonna build this big house in Forrest Hill and maybe we're about to, and they had a lovely house
Starting point is 00:17:05 of all colony, quite beautiful. But other than that, they, you know, in many ways I thought with Barry in particular, it was stick, if you know what I mean. It was like it had become his thing. I mean, you know, and I'm not trying to brag, you know. I happen to drive a Bentley. I convert it.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Barry also like, yeah, so he's selling my saw my car ship a Donna Florida for the winter and and we were in the same building in Florida so one day Barry and I are both downstairs and the value it's Valley you can't park yourself so that lays my car comes driving not and looks at my car and then his car comes driving up. It looks at my car. And then his car comes driving up. And he, actually, didn't have his own car down there. He had rent through a car. And he looks at my car. He saw the top was down already.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And he said, he says, say your car. He said, you said, you were at that car? He said, no, it's my car from home. I send it down here for the winter. Corverable as much. You said, oh, my, oh, winter. And he said, how about it's my car from home. I send it down here for the winter, you know. Corverable as much. You sit all day, a winter. And he said, I'll put your buy a car like that because I really like it.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I said, it dries great. I said, look at it. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful car. And then we both looked at it. It literally was a ship that. Senator Linda Frum, who worked with Honey on fundraising projects, recalls an interaction with Barry that unsettles her to this day.
Starting point is 00:18:31 She'd invited them to her cottage for the weekend. By the way, the Sherman's didn't own a country place. They thought it a waste of money. Linda is the daughter of the late Barbara Frum, one of Canada's most famous broadcast journalists, and she's married to a wealthy real estate developer. Linda was helping her staff clear the table after dinner and Barry lingered in the dining room. And then he spoke about, you know, we had so much, we enjoyed this, calling these beautiful
Starting point is 00:18:58 things, and they thought, and then he did go further and say, you know, refer to my, the two asked, you're really helping. In the kitchen, and he say, you know, refer to my, the two asked him, was really helping in the kitchen and he said, you know, why should we be served? And they are doing serving and read the ones they call who decided that and decided the sun will have to serve, some will get served. He was struggling with this idea that the whole evening had been kind of a, you know, sort of a cosmic injustice. Then there's honey.
Starting point is 00:19:28 She didn't like Barry handing out millions to his cousins. After all, she was frugal in her day-to-day life. She'd lament that despite being a billionaire's wife, she didn't even have her own money. Yes, she had a credit card, but Barry controlled the purse strings. On her trips with the golf girls, they didn't charter a jad or even fly commercial. Instead, they drove 15 hours in honey's old Lexus, and pulled money for gas, snacks, and accommodations. And when the three of them got to the modest condo, honey had arranged, the same thing happened, that always happened. Honey, we did, I put one, two, three because we're going to get different, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:08 we're going to pull large numbers right for the rooms. And one was absolutely enormous. It had like a suite of its own. Then there was like, it was like pop up there, mom, a bear, and you know, the baby bear. So, I pull number one, which is the huge one, made a pulls number two, which is the mama bear size. And honey pulls the little one. Why the shica? Ruh, ruh, ruh, ruh. And anytime I'd been with her,
Starting point is 00:20:35 when we'd only traveled to my house much, we always get the better room. I says, honey, take the room. She never did. For Barry and Honey, money was for needs, not for wants. That was Barry's credo. Honey quoted it to her friends when they raised eyebrows over things like the used TimeX watch Barry bought at a yard sale. When it came to flying, Apatex executives have told me that they would fly business class to a business meeting
Starting point is 00:21:02 and Barry would be an economy. Ed Sunshine once asked Barry about his flying habits when they were getting on a plane. I said, you know why Barry? I said, I don't know why you like sitting up back. And he looked at me and he said, if I can get a cheaper fare and I flew standing up, I'd take that one. I said, okay, Barry, good luck on finding that fair Britain. Once kids were added to the mix, that frugality got complicated. Some got more, some got a lot less. The line between needs and wants blurred. Here's Jonathan during his eulogy, describing his father's very generous financial support. You were also my business partner. When I entered your office about five or six years ago,
Starting point is 00:21:46 with my good friend Adam, we told you about our plan to start a business together, and you were so incredibly supportive and excited. We had the world's shortest shareholder agreement, which basically said anything, anytime. As our third partner, you watched from the sidelines and gleaned with pride as we began building our businesses. You were always available to help us with funding and guidance.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Jonathan has told me his father gave him roughly $125 million to fund his self-storage business and a cottage marina. From my research, I think it was actually much more. Lauren, the eldest, also received a lot of money from Barry. Friends say they were told he gave her $100 million to invest in stocks and businesses. Contrast that with the youngest Sherman child, Kaylon, who had for years been asking Barry to buy her a $60,000 car and infinity QX60. Days after her parents died, Kaelin ordered one from a dealership, telling family, that is what he wanted me to do.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Alexandra, the third child, certainly received money, but nowhere near what Jonathan and Lauren did. It's clear Barry and Honey had different theories on wealth and how to bring up children, but they were allied on one thing from day one. They wanted kids. Like many young couples, they test drove other kids before they had their own. Barry and Honey babysat Joel Allstrasse children and Barry loved to roll around on the carpet playing with the toddlers. But having children proved a struggle for honey.
Starting point is 00:23:27 She won't have kids desperately, but she had such a problem. That's one of honey's oldest friends, Brian Asteiner. She and honey went to teachers' college together, and she and her husband Fred were starting a family the same time the Sherman's wanted to. Honey had a series of miscarriages, but gave birth to Lauren in 1975. She's the only one of the four who have both Barry and Honey as a biological parent. After Lauren was born, the Sherman's turned to surrogacy, which was relatively new at the time and not common in Canada. Using Barry's sperm, and in each case,
Starting point is 00:24:06 a different surrogate mother in the US, using an egg from that mother, came three more Sherman children, Jonathan in 1983, Alexandra in 1986, and Kaelin in 1990. Barry flew the mothers to Canada so the children would have Canadian citizenship. As a Sherman family grew, the daily duties of raising the children went to honey. But friends say that as a children grew older, it was Barry they would call for help.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Here's Barry's friend Joel Ulster. I mean, you know, when his kids were older and of course he wasn't calm a lot, but he was always available. In the middle of the meeting, the phone would ring every one of the kids with a problem. He's always available. I mean, not home available when it wasn't needed, maybe, but always when he was needed, he was there. In the middle of the night, problems they had that I won't talk about, but he was always
Starting point is 00:25:01 there. He was the one looking after, he was one dealing with all that stuff. To say the relationship between honey and the children was strained, he's a gross understatement. Mary, honey's sister, told me that honey referred to her children as the Nazis, a horrible descriptor, particularly coming from someone with honey's upbringing. She told her friends that the children controlled her. In the family pecking order, she was at the bottom. And perhaps as a reaction, honey was tough on the kids. Here's one example.
Starting point is 00:25:33 After Lauren's seventh birthday party, honey gathered up all the presents and put them in a room, not letting her open them for several weeks. Honey's friends think she was trying to stop their firstborn from being spoiled. The children grew up to see Barry as a softer touch. Because he was easier and more, I guess,
Starting point is 00:25:54 empathetic, he was less, you know me. I mean, he had strong ideas of what they should do and stuff, but it didn't matter that they didn't do it. It didn't change how he dealt with. You know what I mean? The Sherman home was not a happy one. Tensions over money, tensions over lifestyle. Honey was not accepting of Jonathan when he came out as gay, and neither Jonathan's long-term
Starting point is 00:26:20 boyfriend Andrew, or his eventual husband Fred, felt comfortable around honey. There were also tensions over what they were doing with their lives. Barry wanted his kids to work at Apidex with an eye to one of them rising up through management. None were interested. This turmoil led to years of therapy. One of my sources shared emails between Barry, Lauren, and Jonathan. These were also shared with the police.
Starting point is 00:26:47 They're upsetting to read, and they give a very different perspective from those of Barry's friends, who paint a picture of Barry doing his best to help his kids. Here's one from Lauren in 2008. She was 33 at the time, living in Western Canada. You say that you love us kids, but your actions show that you don't. You have always hated Kalin, and it's pretty obvious that you hate John too now. These folks are my siblings, my team. As such, I feel hate towards anyone who hates on them.
Starting point is 00:27:21 I also despise the way that you feel about and treat me. Our relationship is not possible under the current emotional circumstances. Let me know if and when those circumstances change. In the email chain, Lauren is writing in defense of Jonathan, who was upset that their father was continuing to fund Frank D'Angelo's businesses. That's a sore point in the family, which I'll get into later. Lauren, who runs a yoga and therapy studio, and who herself received millions from Barry, talks about the toxic effect of money. You have worked very hard to make money for your whole life. At this point, making more money
Starting point is 00:28:02 won't help you at all. In fact, I think that having produced too much money is a big part of your hour problem. Perhaps it's time to slow down at work and start spending time nurturing loving relationships with your kids. On your deathbed, I doubt that you'll be thinking, gosh, I wish I made another billion dollars. I bet you'll be thinking, gosh, I wish I loved my kids better. I really wasted my life. I am so sorry. Barry responds. Lauren, your emails are frightening. They are increasingly accusatory and extreme.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I know without doubt that I am a loving father to all four of my children. And there is nothing that I would not do to try to ensure your happiness, yet you continuously paint me as a monster. For years, I have tried to speak to the four Sherman children. It's actually quite normal for the family members of murder victims to speak to journalists, especially when a crime is unsolved. quite normal for the family members of murder victims to speak to journalists, especially when a crime is unsolved. Family wants to keep the story alive in the press, with hopes that it will urge police on.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Not so with the Sherman's. In my almost four decades of reporting, I've never found a family veil more difficult to lift. Neither Lauren or Kaelin have ever agreed to be interviewed. But in time, I was able to speak to their sister, Alexandra. She's a nurse by training, has worked in Northern Canada helping people with low income. And of all the children, she's the least interested in wealth. She has spoken of how proud she was of their father. Like, I love to. I respected him.
Starting point is 00:29:45 And, you know, he did a lot wonderful things for the world and for Appetite. In my interviews, Alexandra doesn't speak much about her dad as a father, and never speaks about honey. But it's clear she looked up to her dad as a business leader. My dad had values and morality and principles and respect, and Alpatician employees were treated well. It's like a family. You know, like if you saw an employee struggling,
Starting point is 00:30:09 he would help no matter what the situation and how the sex has 11,000 plus employees. There's something else about Alexandra. A shocking turn in the already difficult family dynamics. Roughly one year after Barry and Honey were murdered, Alexander began developing a belief that her brother Jonathan was somehow involved. It came after a visit to his cottage in eastern Ontario. I heard the story from numerous sources and also that she went to police with her suspicions. Naturally, I wanted to ask Jonathan about this,
Starting point is 00:30:45 leading up to the publication of my book and a series of stories on the case in the Toronto Star. I asked Jonathan by email if he had anything to do with the murders. In a letter he wrote back to me, copying the Toronto Homicide Squad, he referred to the allegations that he was involved as INSANE accusations. He suggested that he was involved as insane accusations. He suggested that I was hearing these allegations from people that he considered persons of interest in the murders of his parents. And then, in late 2020, I heard a new allegation.
Starting point is 00:31:19 You'll recall Jonathan's comments at the funeral of his father's strong financial support for his businesses. My sources were telling me that in the weeks leading up to the murders, Barry was cutting Jonathan off. Using an email address Jonathan had set up to communicate with me, I reached out. I invited him to provide context and explanation to finally give me an interview. On December 15, exactly three years to the day his parents' bodies were discovered, Jonathan emailed me, come to my home north of Toronto, he said, and come alone.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Next time, on the billionaire murders. I could tell you things that would make you go, oh shit, there is information out there that would make you go holy oh shit, there is information out there that would make you go holy fucking shit. It's unbelievable. The billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman, is written and narrated by me, Kevin Donovan. It was produced by Sean Pattenden, Raju Mudar, Alexis Green, and JP Foso. Additional production from Brian Bradley and Crawford Blair.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Sound and music was created by Sean Pattenden. Look out for my book, The Billionaire Murders, and coming later this year, The Crave Documentary by the same name. you

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