Suspicion | The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman - S2 The Billionaire Murders | E7 Pointing Fingers

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

A long, winding road takes reporter Kevin Donovan to a most unusual meeting in a cold garage with Honey and Barry Sherman’s only son, the man who calls himself the “heir apparent” and whose sister suspects he was involved in the murders. In a wide-ranging conversation, Jonathon says he is an open book. Ask me anything, he says, which Donovan does. Jonathon is voiced by an actor based on his interview with Kevin and email correspondence. This is episode seven of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it. Audio Sources: Fillerzine/YouTube, Sherman funeral

I'm driving north of Toronto to see Jonathan Sherman, Barry and Honey's only son. My wipers clear an icy wall of sleet from an 18-wheeler that thunders past. It's a Saturday afternoon in December 2020. Gloomy, just below freezing. I've never met Jonathan, but I've heard a lot about him. Columbia engineering grad, self-storage magnate, Marina owner. After three years of trying, I've finally been granted an audience with the only one of the four children to deliver a eulogy at their parents funeral.

These last few days have reminded us what it means to be a Jewish family when someone tries to snuff you out or eliminate important parts of your family, we rally together and emerge stronger than ever. Our family legacy, like so many others, emerged like a phoenix from the ashes of the European Holocaust, shattered and broken, only to rise and rebuild and to thrive. In honor of our parents, we promise to do the same thing now. My sisters and I pledge to rise again and to continue thriving and to continue building our parents' legacy of loving life, caring for others and knowing as our parents always reminded us that with great privilege comes enormous responsibility. At a break in traffic I turned left down a quiet country side road

searching for a small green sign bearing his street number. At the funeral, Jonathan painted a picture of a family unified, but that fell apart within a year. I spot his driveway and keep going. There's a car and a small white van parked on the other side of the road. Each has a man with dark hair behind the wheel, and they watch as I pass. I'm pretty sure this is the security detail I've heard about, Israeli guards that follow him everywhere. I do a quick three-point turn, head back, and turn into his hundred acre, heavily-wooded compound. A yellow smiley face tacked to a tree tells me I'm being video recorded, something Jonathan warned me about. Of all the thoughts running through my head, the

most unsettling is that Jonathan's sister thinks he had something to do with their parents' murder. Am I concerned for my safety? Well, not enough to stay home. I follow the road over rolling hills into a clearing. On one side there's an older two-story log cabin-style house, beside it a modern three-car garage. I turn around and park. You never know when you're going to have to make a quick exit. There's a dusting of snow in my footprints of the first of the day as I walk up to the front door landing. Peering through a window, I see no sign of life. As I lift my hand to knock, a latch clicks behind me. A man steps out of the side door of the garage. He's wearing jeans, a hoodie, and a plaid coat.

Hello, Kevin. I'm just working on one of my COVID projects. I follow Jonathan Sherman inside. From the Toronto Star, I'm Kevin Donovan, and this is the billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman. 7. epoxy. I think it's three coats, so I'm sort of learning as I go." Jonathan and I are standing on either side of a half-built canoe upside down on a platform. This is not at all what I expected. Given the pointed nature of my written questions to him over the years and the unfriendly tone of his replies,

I'd expected him to be pretty angry with me. He's not. I should tell you that while the words you'll hear in this podcast are Jonathan's. They are voiced by an actor based on my interview and Jonathan's emails to me. So first you build the hull. Then you have form. You can strip your own, but I bought these, which are basically long strips of wood, and they have a bead and a cove side on them, like a tongue and groove. The boat sits in the center of the garage. I'm a bit of a tool guy myself, and as I walk around making small talk, I spot a table

saw, an orbital sander, a shop vac, the middle of the road brands I buy, not what I expect a billionaire to own. The only other things on the floor are two black folding chairs and his silver Tesla. This is nine months into the global pandemic. We're not wearing masks, but we do keep a respectful distance. We sit down, facing each other. My first question, why did this take so long? I am not comfortable with this for a lot of reasons.

And it's not that I have something sinister to hide from you, as maybe other people are trying to tell you, or that you might believe. It's really because I've been afraid, frankly, and also I've been really trying to let the investigation take its course. Still, Jonathan said it's time to get his side of the story out. And I just have a feeling that people have been telling you things that are not true. And you know, I don't ever want to tell you something that's not correct, but almost anything I tell you exposes me to some risk, physical harm to myself, my family.

Jonathan tells me he knows a lot about this case. He's got binders of information provided to him by the now defunct Sherman Private Investigation Team. He says he frequently passes on information he digs up to the Toronto Homicide Squad. He has his own suspicions too. I could tell you things that would make you go, oh shit, there is information out there that would make you go holy fucking shit, it's unbelievable. I tell Jonathan I'm all ears, but he wants to take it slow.

He does make me a promise though. One thing I can assure you is I will never mislead you, I'll never lie to you, I will try to help you find your way to the truth. Given that pledge, I dive into what I think is the real reason Jonathan agreed to meet. A provocative question, I asked him, the week before. A couple of sources had told me that not long before the murders, a court ordered Barry to pay a brand name drug company, $580 million. Barry was stretched for cash as a result. Yes, he was a billionaire, but he was not that liquid. My sources said that as part of a cost-cutting plan, Barry told Jonathan, that's it.

I'm turning off your money tab. In an email to Jonathan, I told him that some might see this as a motive for murder. Jonathan responded quickly, accusing me by email of disgraceful tactics. He said his father was incredibly supportive despite this financial hiccup. I thought that's all he'd ever say. But then, over the next two days and often late into the evening, Jonathan forwarded me a series of emails his father had sent on this very issue. I was surprised to receive them. You see, they not only confirmed what my sources told me, they went further.

Here's a couple. And remember, Barry and Honey were murdered December 13, 2017. These emails were one month before. Barry writes to Jonathan and his business partner Adam Paulin, copying Barry's money advisor, Alex Glassenberg. Subject line. Arranging mortgages. Barry, we might need to pay the $580 million judgment in January.

We thus need to take steps to improve liquidity, in case needed. I thus request that you discuss with Alex and arrange first mortgages to enable repaying 50-60 million if possible. Please do within weeks. There's more back and forth in this email chain. Barry repeats that he needs this money. Then, Adam Paulin, Jonathan's partner, asks if they can have lunch. Jonathan and Adam have free office space down the hall from Barriad Apatex, but they communicate

by email. Barri writes back, Okay, after this lunch, there's a request from Jonathan and Adam, this time for $6.2 million to help them expand one of their self-storage sites. But this is while Barri request for 50 to 60 million dollars is still on the table. Minutes later, Barry shoots back, this is now November 28th, and it's a classic Barry Sherman email, direct to the point. Written to Jonathan and Adam, but addressed only to his son's partner. Adam, as discussed, you have to take steps immediately to arrange mortgages.

What will you do and when? And that's the last email about business that Jonathan gave me. He said Barry never raised it again, which I found surprising. You see, Barry, he was a bit of a dog with a bone on this stuff. Shortly after, Jonathan and husband Fred left for Japan on holiday. No mortgages were ever arranged. In the garage, Jonathan and I went over all of this. He said I was crazy to think of this as a motive for murder.

You're making a lot more of that request than I ever did at the time. I think in your mind, I was like, oh my God, my dad's asking me for this money. What are we gonna do? And I think the reality is that we didn't really react like that. He always had his ebbs and flows.

And I have a shareholders agreement, which basically says, we never have to give you back any money. And so even though he was asking that, we do this, we never really saw it as a threat. To be fair to Jonathan, he gave me these emails. Without them, I only had sources on deep background, no way to prove that this had actually taken place. Jonathan says, I simply didn't understand how billionaires deal with their kids. I'm not going to kill my dad because he needs 50 million bucks to get through a crisis. Now Jonathan wasn't the only person his father was raining in.

There were layoffs at Apatex, which really upset Barry. And he had told his friend and business associate, Frank D'Angelo, in the fall of 2017, that the losses in an Arizona iced tea plant that Frank ran and Barry backed had to stop. Barry told D'Angelo in one email that if he didn't turn it around, we will have no alternative but to shut down immediately. When I asked Frank about this, he said he was negotiating a better deal with Arizona at Barry's direction when Barry died. A lot of what I know about the inner workings of Barry's life comes from emails. When I point out to Jonathan that the email

chain he gave me concerning the repayment of $50 to $60 million, stops three weeks before the murders. After what looks to me like Barry's final demand, he shrugs it off. Jonathan notes that one email he gave me shows Barry was promising to resume funding in two years. Jonathan says, he and his dad were getting along great. For example, he says, Barry writes him in Japan, asking him to say, hide the Emperor for me, and inquiring whether Jonathan is having a Christmas party. He was, a company party later in December, and he did send an invite to Barry. Jonathan's point in showing me these was to say, I think, that the $50-$60 million request meant nothing.

My father was committing to me that once he got through this period of financial difficulty, I was going to be first in line to continue growing my business. I always knew my father was all in with Adam and me in our storage business. There's not a lot of times that Jonathan makes eye contact with me, but he does when he tells me how upsetting my questions are. You know, like, it makes me kind of sick to think that. You would think that I would ever have a reason to harm my dad. He was my number one supporter.

I wouldn't have anything if it weren't for him. It's cold in the garage. I'm glad I wore a warm coat. A sound outside draws my eyes to the window in the side door of the garage I can just make out the top of a wool cap The door opens and a short man and a dark coat steps inside Jonathan explains it's one of its security detail doing a health check You okay, Mr. Sherman? Yep says Jonathan Jonathan, and the man leaves. I asked Jonathan,

where did the guy come from? Jonathan says he owns four houses on the compound, and the guard team they're living in one. He and Fred used to be in the log cabin, but now that they have two little children, they're in a bigger house on the property. I asked Jonathan, what's it like having so much money? I mean, that's a loaded question. I think that at some point it's just extra zeros to be honest. You know, like we grew up, we always knew we had money, but we never knew how much money we had. I always figured I was equal to my school peers. We all have parents with wealth. Only later on did I realize the scale of it,

and so I think the mentality never shifted." I fiddle with my notebook. Conducting a long interview is a bit like sailing. You're headed in a direction, but to get there, you have to switch tack from time to time. In sailing, it's the wind that determines the root. In an interview, it's often what the interviewee says. He's just told me how close he was to his dad. So I ask, how about your mother? I would say my mom and I actually did very much get along. I think that if I was a straight boy, we would have a very perfect relationship.

Jonathan said that growing up, honey was a pretty tough parent. She'd yell, grab his ear if she was angry. And I remember the day when I became big enough to be like, don't fucking touch me anymore. And from that moment, we had a very much better relationship until I came out of the closet. It was on a vacation when he was a teen. His mother asked if he was telling people he was gay. Jonathan said, yes, I am.

She told him to stop, said it was embarrassing. Jonathan said, but the time he started dating Fred, who is now his husband, Honey was much more accepting. She was actually to her credit, very inviting to Fred. He felt welcome at the house. It wasn't that different with Barry, at least at first. Jonathan said his father told him he was going through a phase, which surprised Jonathan,

given that Barry's best friend, Joel Ulster, was gay, married to Michael, and they have a family. Jonathan told his father, look, I'm old enough to know. He very quickly came around. His only real thing, which was very him to say, and I never took offense to it, was it's a harder life.

His advice was, if you can be straight, it will be easier for you. Jonathan says that his father's support of his and Fred's desire to have children was proof he'd come around. One of the emails he shared with me shows that Barry paid $329,000 US in 2017 to cover the cost of two surrogate births, with the final payment requested by Jonathan and paid by Barry the morning of the murders. I was getting financial help from my father to start a family of my own with the love and support of both my parents.

Our discussion turns to the Sherman family in general. By this time, I know about the years of therapy, counseling that reached such a point that the therapist would help each party rethink and often rewrite their response before sending it during a dispute to remove some of the sting. Now Barry, he rarely took the therapist's advice. I put it to Jonathan that the Sherman family is pretty dysfunctional. I will admit to that.

Obviously, a lot of it is around money, and the fact that my dad kept everybody needy so they'd come back to him." Jonathan said that of all the children he had the best relationship with his parents. It bothered him that in my book I said that was Sister Alexandra, and it annoyed him that I was quoting emails detailing plans between Alexandra, Honey and Barry, for a Hanukkah dinner with Honey planning to make Ladkins. That dinner, it would have been the Friday the bodies were discovered. Alex despised my mother,

and my mother was not allowed to drop in at Alex's house without permission. She couldn't show up unannounced, and she did a couple of times, and there were huge repercussions. As to the other two sisters, Lauren, the eldest, and Kaelin the youngest, Jonathan says they are now allied with Alexandra against him. I ask why? He gave me two reasons. First, Jonathan said his sisters have put all their faith in Alex Glassenberg to handle the Sherman

financial affairs. Glassenberg is the man hired by Barry years ago to run Sherfham, his holding company. He has made them believe that he's the only person who can do it. And if he walks out the door tomorrow, we're all fucked. And sadly, they don't know how to take care of themselves. They don't have their own ability to look after their own finances. They're beholden to him." Now, the three sisters disagree with this, and they've told me so in a written statement. Yes, they trust Alex Glassenberg, but not blindly. They told me Glassenberg is an experienced

and competent business executive. Originally, Jonathan wanted a big role in running the empire after Barry was killed, and he wanted his business partner, Adam Paulin, to be involved. The sister said no to this as well. But there's another, I would say, far more serious reason behind the sibling rift. At some point in early 2019, something happened. I still don't understand what happened to Alex, but she obviously started to believe I was implicated. I tell Jonathan that my information, and I have to protect my sources here, is that his sister Alexandra is scared of him. He confirms this. I ask why? What I've heard from my sister Lauren is that apparently Alex is afraid because I own

guns. And she thinks that because of that I'm violent and that I carry a gun around with me everywhere. And then if she ever disagrees with me, I'm going to pull out my gun and shoot her in front of everybody. I tell Jonathan, I've heard that story too, that something happened while Alexandra and Jonathan were at his cottage in late 2018, something said that made her suspicious of her brother. I know from a source that Alexandra has gone to the police with her suspicions. Now the police wouldn't talk to me about

this by the way. On the gun issue, I ask him, do you own any firearms? Jonathan gets up and walks around and points to a box of what I think are called clay pigeons sitting on a shelf. He says, yes, he owns guns, old-fashioned cowboy-style lever-action guns, about 15 of them. He says he uses them for target shooting, and he says Alexander's husband Brad, they are now separated, has similar guns. He tells me it bothers him that his sister with ink he had something to do with the murders. We used to be tight, he says. There's a story from when they were younger, Jonathan told it at the funeral. About how in 2007, they were both doing a race in the goby desert to raise money for an AIDS charity.

Jonathan said he'll always remember how his sister Alexandra gave a walking stick to a villager, who she said needed it more than she did. That's what breaks my heart. Honestly, is that like my sister and I growing up were very, very close to each other. Then there's his aunt Mary, his mother's sister and best friend. Since shortly after the murders, and partly because Mary was telling practically everyone that her sister had promised to leave her $300 million if she died, Mary became Persona non-grata with the Sherman kids.

I tell him, Mary told me recently that you kicked her out of a storage locker she'd had at your company for years. My Aunt Mary is what you would call a hoarder. For right or wrong, my father always said to give her space in the storage facility. The only reason I had asked her to vacate is A, she has never paid for the space, and then I hired management to help run my business, and part of what they said was all the free space has to go. I tell Jonathan, that's a hard approach to take. There's been a lot of really hard shit that's been going on.

We'll be right back. I ask him about his decision to fire Jack K. Barry's close friend and second in command. How he did it one year in a day after the murders, walking into Jack's office and escorting him out. No party, no gold watch, nothing to recognize more than three decades of service. I think there's a misunderstanding of the day I did it, and there's definitely misrepresentation of how it actually happened. I actually recorded the entire episode.

I feel like you portrayed it as I came in and made a scene and like picked him up by the lapels." Jonathan said he didn't like some of the things Jack was doing, micromanaging, moving into Barry's office, having lunches with Frank D'Angelo, a business partner Jonathan despised. Barry had funded numerous low-budget movies that Frank wrote and starred in. Among them, the Sicilian vampire and real gangsters, plus beer sold in plastic bottles and a soft drink with a tagline link to an infamous Olympic doping scandal involving Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson. Today on our show we have Ben Johnson. How are you Ben? Good to have you.

Put your cards on the table. Ben, when you run, do you banned? Put your cards on the table. Ben, when you run, do you cheat? Absolutely. I cheat at all the time. Jonathan saw all of this as a waste of Sherman money. Our conversation bounces around for a bit. He's got a lot to say and I want to give him as much time as he needs. At one point, Jonathan goes to his

Tesla and opens the door, loud music blasts until the door slams shut. He comes out with a binder in his hand, it's filled with documents and emails and a review he wrote about my book on the case. It turns out that of all the things I wrote about Jonathan, what really wrangled him, was my mention of his owning a Tesla and flying business class. I think you misrepresented the truth about the Tesla and your book. Jonathan flips to a page of his unpublished review. He reads a long section of it, then snaps the binder closed. I read your book to say that you were basically trying to portray me as somebody who liked fancy things, like spending money,

and was very different from my parents because they were, you know, frugal and simple. I can't blame you because I didn't talk to you, but you kind of twisted the reality, which is that I bought a Tesla, which was used, and I bought it because I hate paying for gas, and I kind of go green.

Made me look icky to think that people are going to think things about me. To just our true." As to air travel, Jonathan says he does what all Sherman's do. Economy for domestic, business class for international. To my knowledge, Barry and Honey, they mostly flew coach, but I let it slide. Through the small windows in the garage, I can see snow is falling. It's colder now and after three hours, I'm actually getting thirsty. I press on, switching tack again, taking Jonathan back to something he did two years before

his parents were killed. I wrote about it, one of the stories I figured he'd be really angry at, but he's not. The story dealt with Jonathan's suggestion to his sisters that Barry be declared incompetent. The reason? Barry continuing to fund Frank D'Angelo's businesses. Jonathan remembers what he told his sisters in an email with a subject line to the shareholders. I think my dad's unhinged because he doesn't understand he's being ripped off by this guy. line to the shareholders. To be clear, Jonathan hates Frank, despises him.

Years before, when Jonathan was in his early 20s, Barry sent him to work in one of Frank's ventures, steel back beer. Eventually, Barry took the business away from Frank and gave it to Jonathan. Then, later gave part of it back to Frank. The two men didn't exactly hit it off. A lot of this is detailed in emails between Jonathan, his father, and his sister Lauren dating back to 2008. Jonathan calls Frank shady, homophobic, says he's blown through millions of the Sherman family dollars. Frank, by the way, denies all of this, though it's clear to me from financial records that

Barry did pour tens of millions of dollars into Frank's ventures. In these emails, Jonathan expresses anger that Barry supports Frank's businesses over his. In one email in 2011, Jonathan tells his father he is slowly becoming suicidal as a result of this situation. Then, in 2015, it all comes to a head. Jonathan writes this email to his three sisters, asking them to join together to declare their father Barry Sherman incompetent. In the garage, Jonathan downplayed this.

That was a figure of speech, because I was never realistically expecting that we were going to be doing that. It was more like, you're crazy. I was saying, guys, dad's acting crazy. We need to have an intervention here. When Barry received this incompetency email, he showed it to friends Jack K and Joel Alster and chatted about it with daughter Alexandra. All three of them told me Barry was really upset.

He told them that Jonathan wants to have me locked up. Alexandra says she wrote back to Jonathan with her dad's help, telling him he was being ridiculous. I told Jonathan that if I'd ever done something like that to my father, I'd be in deep shit. My dad wasn't like that. He brushed it off and life goes on. I've spent a lot of time going over these Jonathan berry emails. They're nasty.

Sad too. Barry is dismissive of just about everything Jonathan says, yet often closes with, you are my son and I love you. There's one exchange around the time of the incompetency issue that really stands out. Jonathan is asking for $250 million to further expand his storage business and start a cottage ownership business

on Shandos Lake, Northeast of Toronto. Jonathan's telling Barry, look, I'm the one you should back, not Frank. Jonathan said, Barry's funding of Frank, it makes no sense to him as someone who has studied accounting and finance.

From Jonathan to Barry, subject line, explain it to me. Dad, with all respect, I'm trying to understand the specifics of the business logic with this investment. I'm looking for the numbers being plugged into those equations. I'm bright and educated. Can you explain it to me? I will try and understand. From Barry explain it to me? I will try and understand." From Barry to Jonathan, I have been making business judgments for many decades, often

making decisions with which others disagree. As a result of my decisions, you will likely be a multi-billionaire. Then, at the end of this email, Barry includes a link to the trailer for Frank D'Angelo's latest movie, Sisyllian Vampire. I think that's what's called a mic drop. End of discussion. Now earlier in this exchange, Jonathan asks Barry for a meeting, saying he'll be bringing his business partner, Adam Paulin, so they can discuss succession and whether Adam and I can play some role in that. I know from Jack Kay and others that Barry had no time for Adam. I asked Jonathan, why do you try and bring

Paulin into everything? Part of my own MO is I don't love doing things totally on my own. Call it lack of confidence if you want to, but I just like having another person there who I can bounce everything off of. Adam Paulin is the president of Green Storage, Jonathan's company. He has an MBA from one of Canada's top business schools. They've known each other since youth camp days. Adam's father has a hugely successful business supplying hardware to Home Depot. But like Jonathan, Adam never wanted to be in the

family business. The two men are very close as business partners and friends. As an example, Adam is on title as co-owner of Jonathan and Fred's cottage. Fred, Jonathan's husband, is not on title. I look at my watch, taking a pause to collect my thoughts. Throughout our conversation, Jonathan keeps hinting about some bombshell information he has. He says he's been feeding documents and information to the Toronto Homicide Squad. Brandon Price, the lead homicide investigator on the case, he was there recently picking up some documents Jonathan wanted him to see. He said it took price about six months to come up and get them. I have a pretty well thought out worky theory.

The problem is if I tell it to you, you are going to write about it and then I have a target on my back. There are a few specifics Jonathan said to me that day that I agreed to keep confidential. What I can tell you though is that from my investigation speaking to numerous people, I know that Jonathan has told police that they should look at three people. Frank D'Angelo, Jack K, and a third person involved in Barry's business life, someone Barry had utmost confidence in. Jonathan's theory is that these three men wanted more money from Barry than they were getting, so they conspired to kill him. Jonathan has no proof of this, and I've put these suspicions to all three men. Frank and Jack, they laughed

it off. The third man, through his lawyer, well, he blew a gasket. For now, I'm not going to name him. To be clear, I don't think any of these three men were involved. Frank, he lost all of his businesses when Barry died, the Sherman children cut him off. Jack was fired and had to threaten a lawsuit to get paid out. And the third man, nothing has changed for him. I'm intrigued that Jonathan has this theory. And of course, he's entitled to have his own notions of what happened.

One odd thing he did say was his theory on why Barry poured so much money into Frank's ventures. I have jokingly would try to guess this over the years. Like who can explain this? Because I don't think it was Frank's business success. One of my theories was maybe something sexual was going on there. I asked Frank D'Angelo about this.

His reaction was, shall I say, colorful? No, he and Barry were friends, not lovers. But all this talked by Jonathan about who he thinks did it, including how his sister thinks he was involved, gave me a natural segue to ask about his whereabouts the week of the murders. It's a question I've asked everyone and until now, Jonathan never answered. This time, he provided me with a written timeline. It goes like this. In late November, two days after Barry's last email requesting Jonathan repay $50-$60 million, Jonathan and husband Fred left for Japan.

He told me it was a vacation, and he was over there studying cryptocurrency. Two weeks later, they left Japan. I arrived home from Japan on December 12th, some time late afternoon. I got home from the airport sometime around 7pm. I know this timeline because I have a picture of our cat wearing her kimono, which we would have put on her first thing after getting home. The day they arrived, December 12, was a Tuesday. Jonathan said he and Fred were exhausted, so they stayed at home.

Back then they were living in the log cabin house. As you may know, there is serious jet lag after a trip to Japan. Most of the following few days were at home adjusting. I can only be as specific as my phone can tell me. For example, I have various photos taken on my iPhone." Jonathan gave me an iPhone photo he took of his hand holding a piece of paper with numbers and letters on it. He said they were seed codes for cryptocurrency from his Japan trip. seed codes for cryptocurrency from his Japan trip. The date on the photo is Wednesday, December 13, timestamped 717 pm, and the location of the phone is his 100-day-care compound.

He said he was home the entire night. He also has a photo he took the next morning, the Thursday, but he did not share that with me. The next night, Thursday, he said he was at a Hungarian Gulosh restaurant with a group of friends, a monthly event. One of his friends had earlier told me that the dinner was the Wednesday night and the friend was quite excited to tell me they were all Jonathan's alibi. Something about that story didn't make sense to me.

Why had I not heard this before? I asked a friend if we could look through his phone. We did. The friend said sorry, he goofed. It was the Thursday. I told all this to Jonathan and he said, that's correct. We were out on the Thursday night and we were all talking about how the old colony road home was up for sale and all the good times they had there growing up. I specifically recall that we were all talking about how the old colony road home was up for sale, and all the good times they had there growing up. I specifically recall that we were all joking about hosting a big party at my parents' house after they sold it and moved out, and then feeling sick when I realized later that

my parents were lying dead at that time in the house. Friday morning, he and Fred drove to the cottage in Apsley. It's on Shandos Lake, where Jonathan owns a small marina, where he told his father he needed millions of dollars to develop other cottage properties. Jonathan was in the driveway taking delivery of furniture when his phone rang. It was his aunt Mary, calling from Florida. She just heard from Realtor Elise Stern of the discovery of the bodies.

She was slightly hysterical, and I remember she said, your parents have been murdered. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and I was like, okay, how do we communicate this to everybody? And so we agreed, I would call Lauren, and I think she called Alex, and think Alex called Kalan and we all agreed to meet up at Alex's house Jonathan and Fred drove back to Toronto arriving at sister Alexandra's house around 5 p.m

It was understandably a chaotic scene Alexandra with a newborn trying to settle her baby. Kaelin, the youngest, was walking around stunned. She told people she was going to buy a car because her father, who had opposed this purchase, would want her to do it now. Aunt Mary, who chartered a private jet to fly home from Florida, arrived, screaming and sobbing and a little bit tipsy, telling anyone who had listened

that Honey had promised her $300 million. Jonathan walked in the door crying out, oh my god, oh my god! Through himself to the floor and asked someone to bring him a drink. A bottle of scotch was produced. The next day, when Lauren arrived on a flight from Mexico where she was vacationing, she was heard to say, well, if it had to happen, it was not the worst time in their lives to be murdered.

They had finally gotten to know my son. It's been close to five hours. My phone buzzes. It's my kids checking on me. I told my wife and children and my lawyer and editor that I was going to see Jonathan. To understand their concern, remember, his sister has been telling people her brother is a killer or was somehow involved in the murders. Jonathan is wondering who's calling me?

I quip. My kids are delighted I'm alive. As with anything personal I said that Saturday afternoon, Jonathan shows no interest. I couldn't read any emotion, not even when he talked about the murders of his parents. The only time he seemed upset during the entire interview was the issue of the Tesla and the business class trips. Figuring my time is running short, I take him back to the theory

that his father's closest associates and friends conspire to murder him. So why kill honey? Possible explanation might just be as simple as the fact that honey was home at the wrong time. I would agree with you that whoever was doing this wouldn't have said, make sure I get them both. I asked Jonathan about the photo he gave me,

the one of a hand, he says it's his hand, taken at the log cabin just after 7 p.m. on the Wednesday of the murders. I tell Jonathan, your parents were murdered between 9 and 11 p.m. I also tell him that it's not more than a 40-minute drive to his parents' house from his log cabin. I was a little confused about why you're so focused on the timelines.

Isn't the assumption that whoever did this hired people? So I could be out of the country, and wouldn't you still think I was a suspect? I tell Jonathan I don't think so. I think this was personal, not a hitman. That I believe the person who wanted it done was there. Strangulation, it's a personal crime I tell him. Hitman, they don't go into someone's house, strangle them, and pose them. As Barry often said, if anyone wanted to get him,

they could shoot him coming out of the office late at night. Then I asked Jonathan about the sculptures in the basement, and what I would say is an eerie similarity to how the bodies are posed. I think it's a coincidence. I don't think it's a theory. We go back to where we began this interview, with his father's demand that he and Adam Paulin pay back 50 to 60 million dollars. That was just three weeks before his parents murders. And now Jonathan and his sisters are billionaires. Jonathan shrugs.

I don't know who can plan a murder in three weeks, but I can tell you I was not involved. It's an odd comment that just sits there. To this day, it strikes me as one of the most unusual remarks he made. As to the suspicions of his sister and others, he says it means nothing to him. I'm the only person who knows for sure that I didn't do it. I gather up my notes and some documents and leave. There's no handshake. Outside it's snowing harder. I set my heater to max and pop into a Tim Hortons for a coffee. When I get home, I send Jonathan an email thanking him for meeting me.

Here's his response. Okay, I just updated Detective Sergeant Brandon Price on our conversation. I write back that I'm surprised he did that. Jonathan responds. I keep the police informed because I maintain transparency with them. Since that interview back in 2020, I've come up with a great deal of information I'd like to put to Jonathan. I've tried, but no luck.

For example, he told me during the interview that he hired a former US prosecutor to represent him in his bid to find out who killed his parents. He chose the lawyer because of his personal story. When he was a district attorney, he solved his brother's murder. This prosecutor in turn hired a former Toronto homicide detective to conduct some interviews, including one of Jonathan. I've since learned that nothing came of any of this. There's something else I would have liked to put to him. When Jonathan gave me that batch of emails from the months just before the murders, he

told me that was everything between he and his father. But not long ago, a source gave me some more. A chain of emails dated October 27, 2017, six weeks before the murders, a couple of weeks before Barry's stern request that Jonathan and Adam pay back $50 to $60 million. The topic in these is a planned meeting between Barry and Jonathan to discuss the Sherman family fortunes. Barry says Jack Kaye will be present. Jonathan wants to bring his own partner, Adam Paulin.

From Barry, it's been years since we met together. I am prepared to meet with you. I don't want to meet with you and Adam. You are my son. From Jonathan. Dad, it has been almost ten years since we have discussed business. If you would like to reopen discussions, it will be with Adam present. Love John.

From Barry, the reason has been your unwillingness and apparent disinterest. You are my son and heir to the empire. You would be interested, yet your hostility apparently persists. I am happy to discuss business or anything else with you at any time. From Jonathan. You are my father. I love you. I always express my gratitude at the incredible opportunities you have afforded me. But if you want to discuss business and you insist on having your partner present, there is nothing hostile about me wanting the same consideration.

I am the heir apparent, and everything I do centers around building a safe and stable financial basis for future generations of Sherman's. Adam and I would be happy to schedule a lunch. From Barry, you say, everything I do centers around building a safe and financial base for future generations of Sherman's. That's what I've been doing for 50 years, with considerable degree of success, despite great obstacles. To my knowledge, that lunch never took place. Next time, on the billionaire murders. So the day passed, I got by worried because very unusual for Barry Knox to respond.

And I told the police all this to it, because they wanted to know that my views of thinking was, and I said, the last email was 8.13 and we never got a response to them on the following morning. There's cameras, there's fucking cameras everywhere, there's ring when you walk out, when you leave, when you come in. The billionaire murders, the hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman, is written and narrated by me, Kevin Donovan. It was produced by Sean Pattenden, Rezue Moudar, Alexis Green, and JP Foso.

Additional production from Brian Bradley and Crawford Blair. Sound and music was created by Sean Paddendon. In this episode, Jonathan Sherman was voiced by Mark Ladder. Look out for my book, The Billionaire Murders, and coming later this year, The Crave Documentary by the same name.