Sword and Scale - Episode 244

Episode Date: July 16, 2023

Isabella Guzman was 18-years-old when she savagely murdered her mother. Isabella’s crazy court appearances and attractive face turned her into a viral TikTok sensation overnight and all eyes were on her. But Isabella had been on a downward spiral for years and it turned out that the mother she blamed for all her misery was the only one who truly wanted to help her.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5895676/advertisement

Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised Okay, where's your friend? Oh my goodness, there's blood coming through the door Hello, and welcome! This is Season 10 episode 244 of Sword and Scale. A show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. Well, I guess some of you told me to talk less during this part. Like you want me to not talk so much, so maybe I should just, you know, talk less right

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She was dressed in shorts and a sports bra. She was barefoot dirty and covered in cuts. Her hair was matted with twigs and blood. As the girl leaned over and began washing herself in the bathroom sink, a female employee walked in to clean the toilets and stopped dead in her tracks at the sight of this bloody, scantily dressed teenager. The woman helped the girl wash her hands and hair and asked her what happened. The girl said that someone tried to rape and stab her in downtown Denver. She had escaped and fled here. The woman helped the teenager clean her wounds, and she got some extra clothes from the donation

bin and gave them to her. The woman offered to call police, but the girl protested. The girl thanked the woman for her help and fled the store. Later that day, the teenage girl was stopped by a police officer in a parking garage. She appeared in distress. The girl was disheveled and acting distant, something clearly traumatic had happened to her. She told the officers that her name was Samantha Gonzalez,

and that she was from Cincinnati. Her mother came after her with a pair of scissors, so she got a bus ticket and ran away. Samantha said that she was waiting to meet her boyfriend. She said she was 15 years old. Samantha was far, far from home. Earlier that morning, an exhausted middle-aged man named Ryan Hoy was sitting in an interrogation room at the Aurora County Police Department. His wife, Yoon Mi Hoi, was dead. Ryan had arrived at the police station covered in dried blood. Now, he wore hospital pants and a t-shirt

that one of the detectives gave him. He spoke softly. Your wife from Somba 930, she was McDonald's for you. And then what's the next thing that happens? And then she tells me, I'm gonna take a shower. Okay. Did you eat? I was eating while she was upstairs. Okay. Getting ready to take a shower. Did you eat? I was eating while she was upstairs. OK.

Getting ready to take a shower on the work part of the house. I'm in the living room. Living room? And I'm just on the couch watching TV. OK. And your wife goes upstairs? She goes upstairs to take a shower, yeah. Ryan was sitting downstairs eating the McDonald's Yoon Me had bought for him.

Yoon Me ran a photography studio called Bella's Photos and worked long hours. She'd come home telling Ryan they should go for an evening walk in this sweet Colorado summer, but first she wanted to take a shower. And then what's the next thing that happens? I hear some knocking around coming from upstairs. Okay. So I go upstairs and I'm like, what's going on up here? Because I hear all this knocking. Ryan could hear a commotion upstairs in the bathroom. There was only one other person

that shared the three-level house with Yoon-mi and Ryan, and that was Yoon-mi's 18-year-old daughter, Isabella Guzman. Isabella was a pretty petite, yet rebellious girl. And Isabella was in the bathroom, she, like I said, she was pushing against the door as I was trying to open it. So the bathroom door is closed? It's closed. Okay. And shower running or not?

Shower was running. Yeah, the shower was running. Okay. So when you go up there, you're knocking, describing like, just like, something like that, just like that, kind of a drum pounding. Okay. Doors closed, right? Do you hear anything, any voices, any conversation?

I hear my wife say, Ryan. She said that a couple of times. So you hear your wife say, Ryan. And, any other word, do you hear Isabella? Or anybody else here? I don't hear Isabella say anything. Yunmi was in the shower. Her daughter Isabella had wedged her way into the bathroom,

and now all that Ryan could hear was the sound of a fist pounding on the walls. She'd locked her door. She'd locked her door. No, at first it wasn't locked. I tried to open it. And Isabella was pushing hard against it. Could you see Isabella at that point? I saw the back of her. How far open were you able to get the door? Not that far. Ryan held up his hands about a foot apart for detectives. The bathroom door clicked close. The pounding had stopped for a moment.

Maybe Isabella and you and me were just talking. Maybe this was a mother daughter thing that he should just butt out of. But even though Ryan didn't want to believe it, he could tell that something was wrong. Then he heard pounding again. This time it was louder and more methodical. Ryan ran downstairs to get his phone and call 911. It's a house. And you said your daughter or your step-over 18? 18. Okay, and is it cold? It's physical, yes.

Does anybody been drinking or doing drugs? Not that I'm aware of. Any weapons involved? They're in the classroom, so I can't tell. Okay, maybe we need a paramedic. I don't know. There's lots of them in the bathroom. What are you hearing at this time?

I hear her yelling for God to help her. Are you able to go and see if you're right or not? The door is locked, I can't get in. Your wife said Ryan a couple times that you hear any more conversation or any more speaking coming from inside that room. I heard her say Jehovah. You heard your wife say Jehovah? Right.

Yoon Mi was a devoted Jehovah's Witness. She had been for decades. The pounding noises grew and grew. You and me called out to her Savior, while Ryan remained on the line waiting for another type of Savior to arrive. So you get on the phone? I get on the phone. Come back upstairs. Come back upstairs. And then what? And then I'm trying to tell the dispatcher what's going on. I'm saying I think she's beating up my wife. Isabella was in a rage like I've never seen before.

And what do you mean? Well, I could just hear her just humbling my wife. I thought she was just hitting her with her fists. So that thump and sound you were hearing? Thump and sound I thought was,, you mean maybe hitting against the wall? Okay. And Isabella just pounding her with her fists. And that's when I said I noticed some blood was coming out of the door. Yeah, I'm up there right now. She's calling out to me.

Okay, where's your sister, Dr. Ash? Oh my goodness, there's blood coming through the door. Okay, okay, we're gonna get some time and it started okay. Ryan stood still in the hallway as blood seeped under the bathroom door. All the commotion had stopped. Time was frozen, and all he could hear was the white noise of the shower running. And then I didn't hear my wife say another word. It was totally quiet inside there. Just tell me if you're able to get the door open, okay?

Okay. And you just say that my door was open. You may. You may. You may. No, I'm not able to get anything open. Are you able to call out to your daughter or step out or see a show answer? Isabella?

Isabella? Isabella? What's going on? After her bleeding, we bleeding out the door. There's blood out the door. her bleeding. Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please What did she do? Oh my God. What happened? I said my wife is dead. What?

She... Oh my God. I have to go open. Or what happened? Then suddenly Isabella swung open the door. The 18-year-old girl was glistening with a man. And then she went open the door. The 18-year-old girl was glistening with a bell? I don't know where she went.

She didn't say anything at all. She just looked at me and walked right past me. Isabella flew down the stairs and out the sliding back door, while Ryan lunged toward his wife on the bathroom floor. And I immediately saw my wife on the floor, all bloody everywhere. And I went for my wife to see if there was some way of recessing, bringing her back to life, resuscitating her. To me, she looked like she was dead.

Jessica, see if your wife is breathing. Oh my God, there's so much blood. Is she breathing? In a minute. If she's not breathing, we need to start shooting. We need to get her to the side. Where was your wife lying in the bathroom? Her head was toward the bathtub.

Okay. And she was kind of all sprawled out She lying on her back. She was lying on her back. She wasn't wearing any clothing. She had a chain She had a chain on and there was blood around her neck. Are you still on the phone with? Yeah, I'm on that point Dispatcher, okay, I think this bachelor's she's telling me what to do lift her head up Okay, so I put my hand behind my wife's head and I lift her head up To see if that would get her to breathe. Okay, and then I pushed I didn't push on her chest Okay, like that about I don't know three or four times. Okay, but I can tell it was no use

Okay, we're gonna search search. Questions, OK? I don't think I can. I need you to do it. OK, I need you to find compression, OK? Oh, God. It was going to be OK. There it goes. The officers in the service department

are almost there. I could try. OK, push down to me. I need you to do that. Okay. Did she say anything at all once? No, what you ever did. She said nothing.

Yoon Mi said nothing because she was gone. Isabella beat her with a baseball bat and then stabbed her mother 35 times in the face at 51 times in her neck. In total, Isabella had pummeled a knife into her mother's body all over her body, 151 times. But Ryan didn't know this as he clutched his naked bloody wife. All he knew was that he had lost her, and Isabella was nowhere to be found. Breaking news in a roar this morning, police are now looking for this woman, calling her suspect in a deadly stabbing overnight.

Isabella Guzman, 18 years old, this is the woman police are looking for. They were searching for her everywhere last night. They even used the help of a Denver police chopper last night. Again, she is still on the loose. Police looking for her as we speak. She is named a suspect right now in this case. And of course, the investigation is still ongoing, still very active here. And of course, we're going to cover this from start to finish throughout the morning and I'll be here for it. Isabella Goosman had murdered her mother and then fled out the back door on foot. The city of Arara was now on a manhunt for an 18-year-old killer. She was wearing kind of like a like a top piece maybe he kind of pink top piece and then short shirt Kind of like a shirt, but more like a bra kind of a sports bra type

athletic gear and more color. It's kind of pink. All right, and she had short shorts on And they might have been, it might have been kind of turquoise. In her booty shorts and pink sports bra, Isabella was the town's most wanted suspect. Pictures of the attractive girl were spread all over the news and her friends were all in shock. They had noticed her acting a bit strange, but this was unbelievable.

But Ryan Hoy was not surprised. He said something had been brewing in his stepdaughter, and the night before the murder, Yun Mi was given a warning sign by Isabella. was given a warning sign by Isabella. However last night my wife did want me to sleep with her in her room of the house. We sleep in separate rooms. It's just as the way it is. So I was sleeping in her room, which is the upstairs bedroom that faces the street. And that's why I slept last night. She was afraid. She'd come down to the street. And that's why I slept last night. She was afraid she'd come down to the basement.

I don't want to go too fast. But she came down to the basement last night and said that she was afraid of Isabella. She said that Isabella had threatened her or cursed at her, maybe cursed at her, and spit in her face. Okay. And she was laying down up there. But this was just the tip of the iceberg.

Yunmi had been very afraid of her only daughter for years. Yunmi's fears were not unwarranted, and on the morning of her murder Isabella had sent her mother a final warning. Today, this morning, she showed me an email that Isabella had written that was written to her, for written to a Cecilia. So strange email, but it came to my wife. It came to my wife. And I can't remember what the email said. It's on her phone. OK. But it was very disturbing from Isabella, something very

just weird. In the days leading up to the murder, Isabella had started calling her mother Cecilia, a name no one in the family recognized. The email that Isabella had written was addressed to Cecilia, and simply read, you will pay. 18 year old Isabella Goosman murdered her mother, Yunmi Hoi. She had beaten and stabbed Yunmi over 151 times while she was naked in the shower. Then Isabella fled the family home.

The city of Arara was now looking for a dangerous killer. Even though Isabella had threatened her mother before the murder, no one thought that this teenage girl was capable of such a brutal matricide. Isabella Guzman was Yoon Mi Hoi's only child. Born on June 9, 1995, Isabella was the light of her mother's life. But her childhood had not been so easy. Isabella's father, Robert Guzman, and Yoon Mi had divorced when Isabella was a small child. Yeah, they got divorced like 14 years ago. Okay, how old was Isabella?

Isabella was about three years old. Three years old. Okay, were you and you and me involved at that point? With each other. After they divorced, you and me and I were involved. Okay, each other. So, Isabella living with you guys initially? She was living with us initially.

OK, then it got to be difficult. Then it got to be difficult. Because when she was about five years old, you may ask Bobby Robert to take over Isabella because she was just not a very obedient child. And thought that Robert, her natural father would be a better, would be better for her as a disciplinarian. And how old was Isabel at the time?

She was about five and she had difficulties in that family. She didn't get along with her stepmom at all. Okay, so at one point when this all happens in Isabel is now living with her mother, she's living with her father and his wife. Right. Okay, how long, a period was that from the time she was five till she moved back into our house. Well, I'm trying to think it might have been seven.

She might have been seven when that occurred because it seems like she was out of our house for maybe six or seven years. So she was, she was about 14 when she came back to live with us. Isabella hated her stepmother. She created havoc in her father's house until she finally couldn't take it anymore. She was not happy then either. No, she was very unhappy. Okay.

Very upset with her stepmom. She had gotten into physical confront upset with her stepmom. She had gotten into physical confrontations with her stepmom. Ryan and Yoon-mey thought that Isabella might be happier back at their house, but 14-year-old Isabella just continued to act out. Mostly toward Yoon-mey. They've had a bad relationship.

Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, they've had a bad relationship for Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, they've had a bad relationship for years. She resents her mom very much. Isabella had been tossed around like an unwanted dog. You know what they say. Treat your kid like she's trouble and she'll start acting that way.

Isabella was no different. And then we noticed a pattern developing with Isabella. She got in trouble for shoplifting from King Super's. And then she got in trouble for shoplifting from the Roramal. Then she did a couple of trespassings, some underage drinking at school. She brought a knife to school one day. She had brought it to school and she was expelled from school for bringing a weapon. How long ago was this school? That was maybe three years ago.

Isabella was rebellious and angry. Though she acted out toward her peers at school and walked around with a chip on her shoulder. Most of her anger was directed at her mother. This animosity that Isabella had towards her wife when she was asked to leave her, had to leave with her father. When she moved back in at 14, how was the relationship between the two of them after that?

Very rocky. Can I best? Have they ever gotten any physical confrontations fights that you know? Not physical, but verbal. Verbal? You and me would go, you're an Fing B, an Fing B, go away, leave me alone.

She would say these things all day. And Harry said, That was you and me was telling, that was a bell of that or you know, that was Isabella telling you me alone. She would say these things all day and here he was you and me was telling That was about that or you know that was Isabella telling you me that okay, and you me would be like no you go away You know you me would strike back at her and say you know Don't treat your mother like that. You don't say those things to your mother. Okay. Did you ever get involved in this and in your intervention or intervening at all then these Okay. Did you ever get involved in this intervention or intervening at all? Then these...

There was occasions when I did, but I realized the best course of action was to not get involved. Because Isabella and I really had no problems with each other, because I just kind of stayed out of it. I just let her and her mom deal with it. Being the stepdad,

you know, it's easy to be the one the girl would hate. Right. But I just stayed out of a lot of it. I wanted to say something, but I just let my wife handle it. OK. In case you couldn't tell from the clip, Ryan wasn't exactly a domineering stepfather.

He let Isabella walk all over him. I was down in the basement with my fan on. And she came down to grab my fan. And she took it out of the wall and I said, Isabella, please, you know, you can't do that. And so she punched me a couple of times in the face. She said something in Spanish. And then punched me.

She is a very hot tempered person. It doesn't and she runs her mouth like crazy. FUF is F that she seems very depressed. She seems horribly depressed about her life and blames her mom for her misery. Ryan and you and me were sick of Isabella's moods and abusive behavior. So they sent her to a doctor for some help. She went to a psychiatrist for maybe a month, and the psychiatrist said, um, now she's fine, she's just a typical girl. In many ways, Isabella was a typical girl, even if she was angry and rebellious. But the way she ran the house was a whole different story.

When police arrived at Yoon Mi's house that night, they discovered a grisly scene. The bathroom where she'd been killed was a mess. Every square inch was covered in blood. Yoon Mi's blood had seeped onto the floor in the hallway and made a trail down the stairs out the back-sliding door, where Isabella had allegedly left a palm print when she fled. The three-level suburban home was adorned with sentimental art, fake flowers, and dated wallpaper.

There were baby gates everywhere, because Isabella had four dogs. Ryan slept downstairs. You'd me had a small room on the top floor and Isabella had the master bedroom, of course. Why on earth would a teenager get the master bedroom? You might ask. Her room is the master bedroom. She. She's upstairs. You upstairs, and you make it left. OK. And she's got the whole master bedroom where she's got her bed and all her stuff. And a lot of the dogs that we have there, Isabella,

brought in to the house. Isabella and her dogs dominated the home. Isabella's bedroom had a pink canopy and princess bed, piles of clothes and purses, a poster of Kurt Cobain on the wall. It was a messy teenage girl's room, but in the bathroom the police found bags and bags of weed trimmings, garden shears and various scissors. Nuggets of pot were scattered all over the place along with candles and incense to

mask the smell. She likes to burn incense and that's one of the things that makes my wife beat her very crazy is the smell of that incense in the house. And Isabella will burn it from her room and it fills the whole house up and my wife has been getting on her case constantly about that. Ryan said he knew Isabella drank alcohol when she could, but he wasn't sure about other substances. What about drugs? Drugs can't prove it. Can't prove she did drugs.

Do you suspect, or did you suspect? Suspect, maybe marijuana. Do you have some reason? Was there, did you find evidence of it, smell it, and anything like that? There were just some odd smells from time to time. OK. Nothing that I could say for sure. Is the picture starting to pain itself for you

just a little bit? Is it Bella, the teenage girl in the story, ran the whole show? Ryan and Yoon Mi were afraid of her, and they stayed out of her life and clearly out of her, and they stayed out of her life and clearly out of her bathroom also. The amount of pot in there was quite astonishing.

Even with Nag Champa burning 24-7, you would notice that dank smell of marijuana. It seems like Ryan and Yoon Mi turned a blind eye to a lot of strange things that went on in their house, mostly out of fear. Yoon-mi and Isabella's relationship had deteriorated to nothing but yelling and arguments. Still, Isabella would occasionally work at the photography studio Yoon Mi owned and operated, called Bella's Photos, named after her daughter, of course. And then she would go to work, you said, sometimes helping you when you were in the room. She would sometimes help out on Tuesday and Thursday evenings.

Tuesday and Wednesday. Excuse me. What did she do there at the Portrait Studio? She took some pictures. She would do some family pictures or passport pictures. Ryan and you and me didn't know much about Isabella's social life, but they did know her long-time boyfriend, Ilya. Ilya and Isabella were glued to each other. If she had an argument or something, she would just close her door and just stay in her room,

or she would have the argument from her room. When she wasn't in her room, she was with Ellia, and she wasn't with him. She was in her room all her time with Ellia when they were together. They would spend all day sometimes in the house and in her room. she would spend all her time with him. She didn't really, I don't know of any friends that she has. But Isabella had dumped Ilya out of nowhere a few days before the murder. They kind of broke up. How long were they together? A couple years. Do you know his last name?

Oh boy, it's a tough one. Ilya's last name was Aburnov. Ilya Aburnov. Weird. So they were together for a couple of years? Right. Do you know what caused them to break up? No, I have no idea.

How did you find out that they were at Aburnov? My wife told me that she had a conversation with Isabella in the car. Okay. And Isabella told her that she's through with Ilya, she's done with him, and she doesn't want him around. And then Isabella also said to me, she said, don't let him in the house if he comes to the house, keep him from the house. Okay. He still kept coming to the house, even though she said the relationship was over. He, in fact, when I was watching TV tonight, he came in the house, just rope quick, to go upstairs and grab something that he said he had left behind. Did you just snuck into the bathroom?

I just snuck into the bathroom. You just snuck in and grab what he needed to grab. Did you see what he loved with? No, I didn't. Police needed to talk to Ilia, but they were already suspicious of him and had been trying to track him down. But on the night of Yunmi's murder, Ilia had randomly

showed up at the house when the police had arrived. The timing was quite weird. Detectives finally got Ilia down to the station for questioning. He was extremely soft-spoken and reserved. Even getting Ilya's address and family history was like pulling teeth. But detectives pressed on and got down to business asking about Isabella. What happened that caused you to break up? She got on her. Okay.

And was there some type of discussion about that? Give me the details. What happened? She said she didn't know what to have to do. She said you cheated on her with Kathy. And who's Kathy? She asked you if you cheated on her. I'm gonna cheat. I accused you. Okay. What did you say? I didn't. Ilya said that Isabella had dumped him out of nowhere. She accused him of cheating on her with

a girl named Kathy. Ilya said Isabella kept texting him more accusations and threats. When he tried to bring her back some of her things, at the you, and it's my aunt you with a golf club. When detectives talk to Kathy, she said that she had never hooked up with Ilya. However, she had been friends with Isabella on and off for a while. I didn't see her for a while because I met her at Overland and my sophomore year. And then after Overland, she was a dropout already so by that time she would be coming back and forth to Overland so I'd see her then I wouldn't see her then after that I didn't see her for a long period okay and then

my junior year yeah my junior I think is when I started seeing her again she started going out with her boyfriend was she at school or did she ever come back to school after she left? I think she enrolled in someone nine school. But even though Isabella dropped out of school, Kathy still saw her occasionally because Ilya and Kathy's boyfriend were good friends. So the couples would, you know, hang out, smoke weed,

and just chill. She said there was a period of time when you kind of hung out with her and then there was a period of time where you didn't hang out with her and then recently you said you started to kind of see her again. Yeah, kind of because her... I'll fart back to with that bee. You kind of started seeing her more frequently. Well, I think she came by in August, but early, early August. Came by. Yeah. They just said hi and they staff her while.

They came by. You guys, please. Yeah. Okay. They came by. So did Louis know her as well? Yeah. But it's the same thing as me once in a while. Okay. Only time we would really see her is when she was with her boyfriend. Okay. And who's your boyfriend? Um, we call him Tony. Tony? Do you know his real name? I just know it's weird. Kathy is talking about Alia. Apparently he went by Tony with his buddies.

Kathy said that Isabella had started acting strange recently. This year, they were more quiet than the last two years. Yeah, like after like me, she started getting quiet. I don't know. She was, she changed a lot when she got with Eli. Kathy said that Isabella had become more withdrawn, but spiritual with Ilya. The couple existed in their own little world. Kathy hadn't really spoken with Isabella at all.

Then right before the murder, Isabella started texting Kathy. I was thinking a shower and I think that was Monday of that week. I think a few days before it happened. And she texted me, you fucking nasty slut. I know what you did. Okay. Night text in her bag like three times and I told her what the fuck. I just put a little weird face and was like, huh?

She narrows text back and then the night it happened, she texted me at 716, 716, saying the astro bean has awakened. Kathy was confused. What the hell is going on? Something weird was happening with Isabella and it seemed like Ilya was the one who had to deal with it. So since this incident took place on Wednesday, have you talked to Tony at all? Does he come by at all? Had you ever seen Isabella act violent anyway or no one know her to be violent anyways? That's why I found it weird because at first the cops told me that she just beat her mom really bad Even that sounded weird because I know she would have grudges against people

But she would never be the type of person. Oh Fuck her. Oh, she Stay quiet. Oh, no, just fuck her Stay quiet Detectives soon found out that Kathy wasn't Isabella's only friend who received some weird behavior before the murder. Police tracked down another guy named Darian, who was a good friend of Isabella. But before he got to the weird behavior, Darian confirmed how much Isabella hated her mother. She never said nothing too much about her stepdad, but usually when we used to hang out,

she'll be coming from her house and she'd be very upset, you know, and always be about her mom. Like, her day always fought constantly all the time. You know, her and her mom would get in some scraps, like they would fist fight. Not necessary for what it was over, but they got into some fist fight. And she's ran off and she's ran away before. She would say, my mom for this reason or that reason.

Some more just bitching, complaining about everything she does, not going to school, obviously, at the time. We were ditching. I know a big part of it was that at that time. So she wasn't going to school. Yeah, she wasn't going to school. She had to be honest with us. She was pissed about it.

Yeah. OK. So that's normal. Normal. Yeah, that's tough. But yeah, it was mostly just emphiting about her not going to school. Obviously, smoking me probably got caught in drugs and stuff.

Isabella wasn't just smoking weed and drinking. Apparently she was dabbling in much harder drugs. She was doing more for a little while. Okay. Were you ever around her when she was doing morphine? Uh, yeah, one time. What's she at? Uh, a little violent, because, um, well, there was a confrontation between one of the friends I had

at the time and her and they ended up seeing each other at the park and she was like, you know, flipped out and like, flipped her ass. Is it Bella was flipped out? Yeah. That is about flipped out and flipped her ass. Okay. So it was actually a physical fight. Yeah, physical fight. It was a competition. Okay.

Is Isabella? She's weird. I feel like I don't know. She was always in the beginning when I first knew her. She was cool. You know, very talkative. Like, you know, it was like very awkward. But like, the recent times that I've met up with her,

you know, like the two times, like, she'll come up very, very quiet. Like, just pale face, just quiet, straight face. Like, does it say nothing like no emotion, like, you know, not even a sign of like a little clip so happiness or like, it was just like, just straight, you know what I'm like. I'm different. Yeah, you kind of got, you got to vibe too. You're like, I don't know, I think there's something wrong, you know, but I'm not really going to push towards it.

It's not none of my business. It's a different dude nothing about it. Darian admitted he lost touch with Isabella, but they did talk on the phone right before the murder. And she seemed fine until Darian mentioned Illia. And then I brought a Tony and then she flipped out about him. And she said about Tony, what was the conversation? She was like, fuck that dude. mentioned Illia She just kept rambling, you know, and she was like, fuck him, he's fucking crazy. I've been going out with a cycle path for two years. I can't believe this.

And she's just like, after that, she just hung up and just clicked the phone, yeah. Okay. When she was rambling on, I did over here something about like Tony doing black magic and like all kinds of stuff. I don't know, you know what I mean? Okay. Black magic's up and down.

You can really believe it. If you really believe it or not, you know, who knows? Okay, that's what I'm about. So she was saying that Tony was doing black magic and putting spells on people that fucking fuck him over or something like that, you know, and I was like, okay, and that's when she was like, I'm going, I've been going over the cycle path for two years. Darian said he didn't talk to Isabella or Ilya again until

later that evening when he drove by Isab a Bella's house on his way out of the neighborhood and saw swarms of police cars. Later that night I drove by the house I called Tony asked him like do you know what's going on like there's all kinds of people in front of his Bella's house you know like what's going on he's like I don't know what's going on and then he hung up and then drove over there and then called me again as soon as he got into that area and then he was like, I'm going to call you back. And that's when another officer pulled him over and then called me or called him or called me off of his phone. So, okay.

Then the detective, Asterion, what he thought about Ilia, aka Tony. He was like a very standoffish. You know, like somebody like you try to approach but like, you're in a good mood, you know, you know, you, like, oh, what's up, man, how's it going? You know, you're like up there. He's just like, very just like stand office. Like, yeah, what a short, short words, you know, yeah, whatever, handshake real quick.

That's it. The detectives had the talk to Ilya again, and he was just as standoffish with them as he was with his so-called friends. Ilya, let me ask you something. Did you have any idea that Isabella was capable of doing something like this? No? Obviously there was problems between her and her mom, right? Went back for a while. Her and her mom didn't get along. Why did she dislike her mom so much, you know? She tried to poison her. What do you mean?

She tried to poison her and the dogs. Her mom tried to poison Isabella and the dogs. Tell me about that, how that happened. I got her, the bacteria dog, to protect her from his dad dad because he tried to chalk her. She told me that she had some of the drink from the fridge. You know, she was told that. And then she's me bleached in the dogs. Waterboa. Ilya said that you and me and Ryan tried to poison Isabella and her dogs with bleach. He also said that he would often buy food for Isabella because her parents tried to

starve her. Ilya said that you and me would come into Isabella's room, the master bedroom, and tell her that her dogs had to go and that Ryan tried to assault Isabella. You said her stepfather tried to choke her? Yes. When was that? I don't remember. It was probably a couple months ago.

Did she tell you this? Is this something you actually saw happen? She told me. She told you. Okay. Her mom gave her her. How come? Do you know? She told her. She told her. Okay. Her mom gave her her. How come?

You know? I don't know. But she said, one time her mom started, she asked her to buy her something, think it was food. She started poking herself in the back of the head with scissors. And that's what she wanted them to die together. Her mom wanted, her mom started poking herself in the head with scissors?

Yes. And wanted her and Isabella to put the die together? You didn't witness this. This is just something Isabella told you. OK. Did she have any issues with her stepdad? She told me that. Yes, the schizophrenia. You know, he to defend me and he dents the devil and

he is after me. Okay. Did she personally have any issues with him? No. Just the time to shelter that one time. The stories that Ilya believed from Isabella were crazy. There's no other way to say it. Even though he had watched his girlfriend's sanity dwindle down so thin that she accused him of cheating, dumped him, then tried to kill him

with a golf club, he still repeated the stories of abuse Isabella allegedly suffered without a shred suffered without a shred of doubt. After all, he's been trained properly. Right? Believe all women and all that? Surely they never lie, of course. So everything that Isabella told you about her mother was some perception of Isabella's. She wasn't buying a food, she wasn't taking care of her. I mean all this stuff that she tells you that her mom did. You don't actually, you were never a witness to it. It's just stuff Isabella tells you. But does Isabella ever lie to you? Don't know? Isabella and her mom fought, but you and me tried her hardest to get through to her daughter.

to get through to her daughter. In Isabella's room, detectives had found a note that read, to my dear daughter, Isabella, even though we have some differences, I'll let you know, I love you, and we'll always love you. Mom, you and me had been trying to help her daughter to the best of her ability for a long, long time.

She had sent her two doctors who waved Isabella away, the so-called experts, the science. She tried to discipline but Isabella walked all over her. On the day of her own murder, you and me made one final attempt to get her daughter some help. And it would be that loving desperate gesture that would ultimately seal her fate. 18-year-old Isabella Guzman had attacked her mother in the shower and stabbed her 151 times before fleeing the family home on foot. The Aurora City police were now on the hunt for Isabella, but in the meantime, they had to start interviewing all of her friends and family. The police had unraveled the story of a troubled girl who had slowly gone insane, right

under everyone's nose. Isabella's mother, Yoon Mi, had always been the target of Isabella's misery. She hated her mother and blamed her for all of her suffering. You and me may not have been the most observant communicative mother, but she did try her best. She knew that something was deeply wrong with her daughter when doctors told her that Isabella was just a typical team. In the morning before her murder, Yoon Mi was at her breaking point. Isabella had sent her a crazy email calling her Cecilia and threatening her mother

stating, you will pay. Yoon Mi was simply out of options, so she called 911 for help. Hello, 911, where is emergency? Yes, my daughter needs a hair. Do you need a wheelchair or an ambulance? No, I think she has to get admitted because she her stuff or she heard somebody else in the house. Okay, so she's suicidal, she wants to hurt herself. She's not suicidal, but she's running, she can be suicidal or she can hurt me or somebody else in the house. You and me told the dispatcher that she was afraid of Isabella and that she might

hurt her or someone else in the house. A mother's intuition, you might say. So did she threaten to hurt you or your worried she might hurt you? She threatened to hurt me last night. Okay. We know what I mean. And I think she's not. Or my is gone, I think. Did she do anything to herself or you yet? I don't know about that because she knocked her stuff in the room. I think she came out and now she's in the backyard.

I can call her father. Okay. I just want to call her back yard so she's not bleeding or doesn't need like an emergency as far as medical folks. While Yoon-mi was on the phone inside with 911, Isabella was outside in the backyard on their swing set. Her biological father Robert had come over to talk with Isabella at Yoon Mi's request. Isabella had used not only a kitchen knife to murder her mother, but also her Louisville slugger baseball bat that she kept in her bedroom. The one you me mentioned to the dispatcher.

It's absolutely freaky just exactly how psychic you me was about her own death. She's gonna have herself on a hard knees. Okay, she's gonna have a knee. And she's gonna have a knee. And she's gonna have a knee. Okay, did she say how? She's gonna hurt herself. I don't know. Okay, she ever tried to hurt herself before or say

she wanted to do this before. She's gonna make her, she wanna kill do this before. She said maybe times she wanted to herself. Oh, right. But she's never attempted it yet, right? I don't know. She might try, but she never said about it. Okay. You knew I'm going to go ahead, and now I'm afraid my life's now. Right. Well, I'm going to let you go, but if anything changes, I want you to call me back, okay? So, what are you want to do it?

We're gonna send an officer out to talk to her, and then the officer can request an ambulance, okay? Again? Why have you sent her a transfer to, like, a psychiatric hospital? And they'll help her out there, okay? Police soon arrived, and you andmi met them at the door. She explained that Isabella had broken into her room last night, screamed at her, and spit in her face. She mentioned the email and how Isabella had started calling her Cecilia.

Yoon-mi said through tears that she just wanted her daughter to get some mental help today. She was terrified. I didn't know what else to do. Then the cops walked into the backyard. Isabella was still sitting on the swing as her father stood beside her. According to the police report, Isabella seemed shocked that officers were at her house. When they asked if she was okay and if she had threatened to hurt anyone, she laughed and said, I know my mother called you. She's crazy. Isabella said that she was sorry that her mother had wasted their time.

When the cops asked if she was suicidal, she chuckled and said, and I quote, do you think someone this beautiful would hurt themselves? The police asked Isabella's father if she could stay with him for the night, and he said no. Isabella and his wife didn't get along, so that just wasn't an option. Isabella was respectful and levelheaded in front of police. You know, she lied, because not everyone tells the truth all the time.

In fact, everyone lies. And the cops bought it. They checked a record and saw no history of mental issues, so they packed it up and left. What else could they do? It's not like we have any safety systems in place in this country for mental illness. I mean, we all know that, don't we? And Isabella was just acting normal. Cool as a cucumber. Until that evening want you to regret anything later. I mean if something sad were to happen you'd regret that. It's okay. I think it's cool for her. After she killed her mother, Isabella took off without nothing but her purse, the clothes on her back, and one shoe on her foot. Just over 24 hours later, a parking garage attendant

noticed a pair of women's legs in a car in his lot and called police. I parked my car down there at the basement, which I know will do. and I noticed the car that we have here storing and waiting for the customer to pick up and saw some stuff around it. So I came to check what's going on. So I didn't touch anything and it's looking at so inside of it through the window, the front passenger window, which the staffer was at, and that side looked like a big leg and someone sleeping, it seemed like. Was the leg closed? No, it was naked. Naked legs?

When the cop showed up, Isabella and her stuff had vanished. They searched the area and soon spotted her, kneeling down in a patch of grass. The police commanded her to get on the ground, but she acted like she couldn't hear them until they grabbed her, cuffed her, and held her down. She asked, what did I do? Isabella had medical bandages around her wrists and two plastic bags with her. One of them said, H. Mart Korean Market. She told officers, my name is Samantha, my parents abused me. She pointed to some red marks on her legs and said, this is where they burned me with cigarettes.

Isabella had dirt and twigs in her hair. Her bare legs were speckled with bug bites and nicks. She was wearing the ill-fitting Bermuda shorts that the employee at H. Mart had given her in the bathroom when she washed up after the murder. Isabella was taken to the hospital where she continued to insist that her name was Samantha Gonzalez. My name is Samantha, she screamed at the nurses and detectives. I didn't fucking kill that lady. Isabella did, she said. When they brought in Isabella's father to see her. She said she didn't know who he was and recoiled when he tried to hug her, saying adamantly that he wasn't her dad. As news of the horrific crime spread, experts in the media tried to make sense of what just

happened. Something happened to this young lady in the past and it was extraordinarily traumatic and stressful and that she never got the help she needed and so it just kind of all spilled out like a volcano all at that moment and that rage was focused on her mother. Isabella was damaged from her childhood. It was no secret. Isabella's rage against her mother had been brewing and bubbling for a decade. Now it was mixed with what appeared to be an unhinged, manic, depressive episode. You and me calling the cops for help was the proverbial nail in her very real coffin. So today after the police come out and speak with her, what was her a big hug and told her that he loved her very much.

He gave her a kiss on the cheek and she said, I think she said, I love you too. This was in the house when they had come back in the house before he was just believing in the house. Okay. But I don't think she was very happy that her mom called the police. Did her and her mom have words, confrontation, was there anything? In front of the police officers, Yumi said that they did. Okay. Was it all there when that happened?

I was not out there when that happened. I tried to stay out of it. And Yumi said that Isabella was throwing nonsense at her and the police were saying, look, we're gonna get a court order and have her kicked out whether she's got a job or not. And Isabella, according to you, me just got all tight-lipped. So it was no surprise when Isabella was booked for murder without bond and her lawyers decided to claim insanity. Isabella's a rainment video went viral in a big way.

When she shuffled into the courtroom, Isabella glared back and forth at the news cameras and made strange hand gestures towards her eyes. She smirked and scrunched up her nose. People went nuts over this. A viral TikTok trend emerged with kids all over the world making imitation videos of Isabella's creepy gestures while playing the Eva Maxxon sweet but psycho in the background.

This case is become viral on TikTok because it is a trend, let's say, in that background. Questo caso è diventato virale su TikTok perché è nato questo trend diciamo inquietante e quei la gente imitava questa assassina Isabella Goodzman, who is now infamous after videos of her went viral on TikTok. There was just this really weird trend where people would imitate Isabella's court appearance. It was just weird. I don't even know what to say. It was just weird. While the internet was busy obsessing over the beautiful Asian teenager who stabbed her

mother 151 times, the fate of Isabella would be quietly resolved in a Colorado court. After many psychological evaluations, a doctor testified that Isabella was schizophrenic and had been suffering from paranoid delusions for years. She thought Yoon-mey was a woman named Cecilia, and she needed to kill her in order to save the world. Sound familiar? Isabella was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was put in a mental hospital where she's remained to this day. In 2020, CBS was granted an exclusive Zoom interview with Isabella. I'm not sure how they pulled this off because we tried and the hospital told us that no interviews with her

would be granted due to hip-hop violations. But Isabella did speak to the news a few years ago. She insisted that she is fine now, happily medicated, and would like to be free. She told CBS the following. I was not myself when I did that. I was abused at home by my family for many years. My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses, and I left the religion when I was 14, and the abuse at home worsened after I quit. The fight with my mom was terrible, and I was injured in the process. I have the scars on my hands.

I am not mentally ill anymore. I'm not a danger to myself or others." Isabella has not been granted her freedom. She remains at the mental hospital under state care, as she probably should. A judge recently stated that she is now allowed to leave the facility to attend group therapy sessions. She must wear a GPS tracking device when doing so. According to CBS, in 2015 Isabella also claimed that she was sexually assaulted in a closet by an employee at the mental hospital. The incident was reported to the police, but didn't reach the district attorney until

2021, for some reason. Too much time had passed and the outcome of the incident remains a mystery to the public. The ACLU is helping Isabella with her case against the hospital, which, let's be honest, may or may not be bullshit. Isabella Goosman was just a kid when she brutally slaughtered her own mother. But she was severely mentally ill. She had a father who was too busy with his own life to get deep into her troubles. And a stepfather who was scared of her and scurried away, because, you know, it wasn't his problem.

She also had a mother who knew something was wrong but lacked the resources to get any help. You and me tried everything she knew to save her daughter. She took her to doctors, gave her a job, and she called police for help. On the day she was stabbed to death. She knew her own daughter, she knew Isabella was going to do something drastic. She also knew that Isabella was capable of ending her life. Isabella claims she wants to be free, but how?

Even if she is medicated and no longer suffering paranoid delusions, she's never lived alone in her life. no longer suffering paranoid delusions, she's never lived alone in her life. She lacks basic life skills that would enable her to be successful as a everyday contributing member of society outside of the hospital. Who is going to make sure that she takes her medication

and stays on track and doesn't slip back into madness. And she'd be trusted to mother herself now that she took away her own mother's life. Look, let's face it, Isabella will always be a potential danger to society because without her little cocktail of medication, she is capable of the kind of chilling murder that some of us only see in our nightmares. Hey, did you know we have an app?

If you're a big sasshole person, we call them sassholes, you're going to want to get the app. Just search the Apple Store or Google Store and download the free today. Stay safe. I didn't even start the episode yet, and the lowly $5 pair. But that message about the audio, I know that was directed at me. Listen, all I'm saying is an sarcastic little f**k card that said with love of course. That we know you're not in there recording of, but if we can't hear the audio, it's just a jumbled mess.

I would much rather hear your soothing voice. I actually do like your voice. Like an old friend I really don't want to talk to, but I have no problems listening to. So I'd rather hear you tell the story then try and put my ear up and tell my family to set the fuck up. I'm trying to hear a sort of kill really crappy audio to figure out the story then try and put my ear up and tell my family to set the fuck up I'm trying to hear Jordan Phil's really crappy audio to figure out the story. Anyway no more directed messages towards me. Love you guys bye. Okay grumpy gram again, I just listened to plus 141. The audio is amazing, it's almost as if somebody was in the room with them. I cracked myself up.

Anyway, I have a really cool storyline for you guys. Just kidding. Alright, the audio was a lot better this time. Bye. Alright, y'all, even a lot better this time. Bye.